How To Replace Bad Deck Joists
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2024
- Check out this deck joists- it’s completely rotten where there was a knot, and the one next to it sagged like crazy.
It’s literally down an inch and a quarter in the middle.
The house is 20 years old, and this type of decking is no longer made.
So, I wanted to replace the bad joist without removing any decking.
We removed all the old square head deck screws above the bad joists.
20 years ago, we used these galvanized spiral nails instead of deck screws.
They’re almost impossible to pull out, so I cut them all with my Sawzall -first at the ledger board, then over the beam, and finally out at the rim board.
Cutting the joists in half made them easier to tear out.
I did a thorough inspection of this deck and everything else was in good shape.
When you install joists it’s important to put the crown up.
We definitely had to use some persuasion to get the new ones in- I like to think “most of life’s problems can be solved with a bigger hammer”.
Back when this deck was built, joist tape wasn’t a thing. Since the homeowners are planning to replace the entire deck in the next five years, we didn’t use it on the ones we replaced.
I love using these joist hanger screws- they’re so much faster than pounding in nails.
Once the hangers were installed, we screwed the deck boards back down using the same holes.
These torque head screws work so much better than the old square head screws.
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As a structural engineer, all these videos briefly and simply explaining proper how-to's for construction jobs, and especially repair work, is great to see. So many times I have given drawings with all the notes and details a contractor would need to do the job right, and especially for residential work, they very often seem to not even bother reading and it gets done incorrectly, or sometimes things are missed entirely!
Keep it up with these great videos.
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate that! We’re building a small warehouse building that was completely designed by a structural engineer. A good structural engineer is worth their weight in gold.👍👍
I recently read an article about the "Citicorp Center Engineering Crisis" which was partly due to the contractors using bolts instead of welds. And then deciding to "interpret" the number of bolts needed using the smallest number they could find.
As a Landscape Architect doing a site inspection and finding that the contractor didn't follow the irrigation plan, that's annoying, because we have things we design it to do in our very hot summers. Brown grass is one thing, but finding out that a skyscraper could completely collapse in a quartering wind is beyond terrifying.
At the office where I worked, it was our company policy to never spec a footing for retaining walls, signs, nada. We always had a civil engineer do the details for them. The contractors complained, but you can go look at any of those jobs, and 30 years later, all our shit is still standing, and there have been no collapses of any retaining walls.
And, conveniently, if any fail and there's a lawsuit, it won't be our license or insurance that covers it. That'll be the engineer, or the contractor, depending on if they followed the plans or not.
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You guys do so much shit that makes no sense and we have to deal with it
@@W0DAN88 can't speak for all structural guys, but the designs we provide have to be done to meet code requirements, especially concerning loading and stability, which when it comes to residential, it isn't uncommon for a contractor with years of experience over their belt to say "I've done this for X years, and we've never had to do this before" - but we have to stick to what our calculations show works and what's allowable with what we can prove works by the numbers. We also try to leave some leeway for contractors to do things the way that works best for them, but sometimes things need to be done a certain way that isn't typical.
I love a carpenter that knows his business and takes pride to do it right even in a tear out.
I wonder how just two random joists went rotten.. Poor selection at the outset?
@@helenaquin1797highly possible, a shed me and pops made had 4 out of 20 boards rotted completely, all on seperate facings
@@helenaquin1797knots in the timber boards, so yeah pretty much just poor choice of timber for that use
i dont know. square hole screws are still better than hex.
Compliments to the old deck guys as well as the new repair guy. Good work. Not the way I’d do it, but there’s many ways to skin a cat and this one is solid.
My daddy taught me at 2yo "If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer."
I'm now 81yo & the rule has stood the test of time.
It hammer time!
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How old is your dad now?
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He was born 1916, died about 95yo, & would turn 108 this year.
@@dryaleah9033You're so full of shit 😂
Holy crap!! Someone making construction videos and are actually doing it correctly including crown up and sds screws!!! Hallelujah
I will google Crown up..
@@PRenard2012 boards will have a slight curve to them. If you stood it on its side so it creates an arch, instead of a smile, that would be crown up. The purpose being that as the wood dries and takes the weight of the deck or floor it will bent to straight and not to a worse smile.
Taking out square head screws is the bane of my existence. So glad to have the T25 star screws now.
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I build fences full time, and we recently had a 400 ft privacy tear out and previous installer used square wood self tappers on every single hole. Spent prob 45 mins taking out screws out of those rotted 2x4s. I’m with ya there bro.
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45 mins 😂@@Ch1naVirus
Called Robertson screws, nothing wrong with them, must be a yankie thing why u gents have trouble
respect for not ruining your customer
I love that you don’t try and tell the customer they need a whole new deck
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I would recommend a new deck but also tell them that its not necessary
Those are composite decking.
All the owner need is a good pressure wash.
Plus some stain sealers on the vertical wood surface.
New again.
As a certified forklift operator, I can verify this is the correct way to do it.
I agree, im not forklift certified but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express , so im kinda in the same professional field as you! We must stick together...haha
@warrenmichael918😂
😂😂 As a cybersecurity engineer I second this video 🤣🤣🤣
Greatest quote ever " most of life's problems can be solved with a bigger hammer ".
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The Bigger Hammer Company
And a little bit of persuasion 😊
He sounds like Bender’s cousin, Hammer
BFH for the win!
No lie about those spiral nails
They’re crazy hard to get out! You almost always break the head off if anything 😂
I've never had to remove those spiral nails before, I wouldn't have guessed they were such a pain to remove!
yep, they suck
I lived off grid and use to harvest pallets for fire wood, and good God I couldn't stand The shank nails, I created a 2x4 leverage breaker bar for them, but yes spiral are no bueno to take out 🤨
But tbh, that's just the nail doing its job well.
Your ease of removal is equivalent to their likelihood to loosen.
It’s nice to see there are real carpenters still out there.
Good information. I hope you suggested they extend that drain pipe in the middle of the ledger board. I’m amazed that spot on the ledger wasn’t rotted. I would also want to seal the penetration also… Just be careful how you seal it so sealing it doesn’t create a problem…
That drain is only for an emergency pan if the washing machine never leaks. There’s never been any water out of it in 20 years.
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Ahh ok. Thanks for sharing. 😊
@@ronh9384 Im with you, i was amazed that drain hadnt rotted that board to heck!! I guess if it has never been used, it makes sense now!
Oh I think I got a bone to pick with you about that last statement. The best thing that came out of Canada In the last hundred years is the Robertson fastener head. 25 years ago when I was 10 years old I can remember taking apart a dock with my father that was all stainless steel Robertson screws. We threw all of them in a 5 gallon bucket and then the next year we replaced the deck boards on our porch at home. 2 years ago me and my 72-year-old father pulled those same damn screws out again and put down trex And I would say probably 80% of them still look brand new and now they're sitting in a new 5 gallon bucket in my garage. If there is a complaint, it's that they actually hold too well.
They were a big improvement for their time, but I still think the torque heads are much better.
@@hausplans I've done a lot of volunteer work in the Southern US. I always take boxes of Robertson screws.
I've used Torx as well as the dreaded Phillips.
The one thing I can do with a Robertson is put a screw on the end and hang it upside down.
You cannot count on the consistency of the Torx socket being tight enough or deep enough to keep the driver bit in when on a slight angle. It will cam out.
like Phillips.
Bit what do I know having on 50+ years on the tools.
The Americans are still pissed PL wouldn't sell them the patent so they go to extreme measures to avoid them but they still punch the screw heads in prehungs to take both Phillips and Robertson.
@@knighthauler2529square drive screws are common in the US and not hard to find at all. Why would you need to bring some with you?
Robertson is better than phillips but torx is the norm now so they are easier to work with.
@@hausplans Torx is the screw. Torque is how tight you put it in.
This man's knowledge and know how is endless, incredible how much someone can do by learning new things, love the RUclips shorts...
Wait, what? You mean you actually managed to do that WITHOUT a $300+ hammer? NO WAY! 😂
You must be a very skilled man.
Good job. Just a suggestion, to bid in a pressure wash and a application of Bora-Care. On the un-painted wood members.
You can only do what they will pay for.
I agree with everything he said other than the torx being better than square drive. I've never stripped a square drive, but I've absolutely demolished some torx bits
I don’t know why I’ve never had good luck with the square drive. It might depend on the screw that’s being used.
The problem with square drive is when the bit jumps out and stabs you in the hand. The torx I've seen strip out in decking were the smaller joist hanger screws with the flat T15 head.
@@histguy101 should use nails on a joist hangar not screws
@@abtwopoint0 if they're joist hanger screws, then they're made for joist hangers
Agreed. Torx is garbage.
My dad made everything out of universal collums and universal beams and RHS nothing was going to move and RHS for flooring. Solid stuff . He was a structural engineer so he made our front and back porch out of these materials.
As we say in the U.K. - if in doubt, give it a clout!
No lie, the head doesn't matter as much as the thread. Square drive is great. Glad to see you replacing the support though.
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Ooooo boy. That lil slide of the level at the end…chefs kiss my friend
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Galvanized dipped nails, survived everything!
SO did you check how the header is attached to the house?
You might be surprised to find out many are installed incorrectly, and may even cause damage due to collected moisture.
I've seen headers initially installed using 20D galvy nails through shingles, and the PT corroded the nails to the point that only three nails of the original 16 were still working.
And because no spacing was installed between the header and the wall, the collected dirt, leaves etc. caused over five FEET of shingles and sheathing to rot out.
Expensive repair.
The "square head" screws are called Robertson drive, and the "torque head" are Torx.
Must be Canadian lol
Oh, my gosh, when I found out about starx screws, I switched to those and never looked back. They never strip out!
Torx screws
Ned Starx. « Sprinters are coming »
Don't always need Torx. You can use Robertson.
@@TheThomasites "starx" screws are the best😂WTF🤔
@@mikopaq what is a starx?
Open decks like this will always rot between the boards and the beams. Moisture will stay there instead off dry out and causing the rot over time.
Actually the joists rot where the screws penetrate more often
Nice basic knowledge for homeowners. All real carpenters should know this day one.
My dad and I are going to be working on my porch awning over the summer. We're probably going to have to replace some of the supports similarly to what you did with this deck.
Good luck 👍
There is a reason too use nails
Yes but those screws he had are made for joist hangers. They have shear strength like nails
there's also a reason to use adequately graded screws for the given application.
It saves on a lot of time when you need to make changes to something later.
Pulling nailed pieces a part is a time consuming shatshow.
I'll race nails against screws and win any time and every time
The fact you think it's a race shows you don't give a damn about quality craftsmanship.
@bobbygetsbanned6049 yeah right dum dum, he already said it was faster with screws not me, and I can hit what I'm aiming for with a nailgun without sacrificing quality or craftsmanship. Making general assumptions and then immediately extapolating into personal insults is ignorant
The fact you couldn't understand really shows you are a dum dum like the original comment said. 😂😂@@bobbygetsbanned6049
Yeah boomer probly use a hammer and still be as fast as me with a nailgun
@SteveSherman-ij5gm in 50 and I'm Gen X, they are 70 and you might be surprised. I prefer screws but there is a tool for every job and all I'm saying is that nails are faster with the current technology
A Handyman for 28 years and love the Torx head screws.
Me too
Thank you for saving what you could
It's cool seeing people use the products, the company I work for in use . Cool video 😊😊
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Great job! Did a deck just like that and ripped my shoulder out, carrying the Trex boards up to the dump trailer. Worked for two more weeks before I had it looked at. I was out of work for a year and had surgery. Got pins in my shoulder holding it together now. I still miss working with my hands.
Hope you get better soon
Man they finally gave us screws to use for hangers man now I really wish I didn’t get out of the construction industry, but maybe if they had those back in a day, I wouldn’t be disabled now
This would have been very valuable information for my great grandfather about 6 years ago
I miss him and wish we were closer physically and otherwise
Simpson screws are absolutely awesome
I have used Simpson screws that are supposed to be like nails but I have found them to shear off like regular screws
Nice work
Don't be afraid to mention that you are using Simpson Strong -tie product there for deck joist screws. Here on the left left coast Simpson is considered architectural standard and has great technical support for their endless product line
Totally agree with you on Simpson products👍
I’m convinced my phone listens to me. Me and my dad just did a beam on a deck and now I’m getting videos about decks
"Most problems in life can be fixed with a larger hammer." great for a carpenter to saw, terrible for a family therapist lmao
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That's why the short 4 pound mallet with a wooden handle, cut down to about 18", is a great tool to have in a pinch!
Love the original Trex. It is dense and can handle pressure washing and furniture that scuds or nicks the new stuff.
I replaced all the joists under a much larger deck. The original builders didn't use treated lumber. The old man, who just recently died, built the deck. Je worked at a beam factory and used lumber from there. But it was some kind of treatment that they brush on. It lasted many years, but would have lasted longer. This one had the same type of deck flooring on it. Plasticy wood stuff.
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Part time 30+ yr deck builder and repairer. Great Info. Spot On. Just A Little fast for me.
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Nice quality repair. Kudos for a job well done done on a budget.
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Taught me a whole bunch of stuff. Thanks!
Incredible amount of work you can get by this type of work, so many deck out there rotting out. Start an inspection company, house health report, give estimates.
Thank you for this video! This is quickly becoming my favorite channel on RUclips!
Wow, thanks!
For a long time, I thought yall were just a cooking Channel 😂😂
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😂😂 as soon as he slid the level. I was like ah Yeaa! Ima go eat a Taco now.
im glad you made it happen man
Atleast your using an estwing, the most beautiful sounding and powerful hammer out there
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THANKS for not recommending a total teardown and ripping off the owner.
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To avoid dry rot in timber joists or bearers caused by water damage, paint the joists or bearers with tar.
Fence posts will also last longer if the bottoms are painted with tar before concreteing into the ground
I like your tools, have some myself.👍
Man having a deck would be so cool
I envy these men. Skill!
The ole non uv stable trex decking love that stuff, it loves to disintegrate when you try and power wash it
I don’t know if you’ve ever tried it but I use palm nailers to drive the joist hanger nails. It has 3 different heads for different sized nails too but I’ve only used it on hangers. I‘ve gotten pretty quick at it but I’d say if you screw them regularly you probably get it finished just as quickly if not a little quicker.
I’ve used one before they’re nice. The only thing is they’re super loud!
Nice! The level slide was an excellent statement!
Thanks!
Great work, i always tryto step on the board as i screw them back in and make sure not to overdrive them.
But it did look like your screws held👍
Crazy how so much has changed in 20 years
like what?
Oooh that level slide at the end was magnificent
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I wish they still made that type of decking.
Great video. In my area, code says we’ve got to use galvanized ring shank nails on hangers and that we can’t use screws. Probably is different where you’re at.
Normally, we can’t use screws, but these special screws are made by Simpson the same company that makes the hangers. They are allowed by code.
This house is 20 years old... You said it like it's a bad thing. Houses should last for a long time...😊
It’s definitely not a bad thing, and this house will be here for a long time
Only a deck guy has the time to do a video but well done anyhow, I’ll check out hanger screws next time
My dad used to keep a 3 pound hand sledge by the man door of the garage. It was his best friend named "the Gentle Persuader" bc sometimes all you need is a bit of 'gentle' persuasion
Congratulations to US people, you seem to have gotten screws 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
Man, after watching this I am exhausted. I need to sit down and grab a cup of tea before I collapse with exhaustion.
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Treks are a god sent. As good as i got shooting hangers with my passload, if there wasnt room to get the gun in there, sure as heck not swinging a hammer in there either. So happy i can just screw in a treks now.
Totally agree! And if you need to take them out for some reason, that’s easy as well!
Great job!!!! Very informative video!!!!
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Regularly spraying mold remover will allow that wood to stay drier than it is when the mold is allowed to grow on it.
Good advice 👍
Well done. I would have used the same screw. The next guy pulling up the boards now has to swap screw heads for 1 board. And when the screw heads fill w crap and he can't figure out why his bit isn't working lol
Completely flushed good work
Great job bro 🤙
Nice work!
Well played!!
Finally someone that does great work... 😊😊
Thank you so much 😀
We still get composite decking to install on homes all the time.
Been there done that just a week ago. Lucky all your screws came out 👍
I know, that was my biggest concern👍
Nice work 😊
Thank you for using the correct nomenclature in your videos.
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love this kind of content 👍🏽
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Thankfully you did a great repair instead of tearing the whole thing down like some other idiot who wanted to make a fancy RUclips video. Well done.
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Yes, a bigger hammer has never failed for me!
Awesome work 👍👏
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People love their decks but never think of the maintenance it needs to keep it.
True
I did a bit of remodeling a few years ago, I learned a few things…I’d probably give it a try if I had the tools, good money if you can get jobs plus I like building, I studied Autobody but haven’t entered the field it’s mostly due to job security and also the people in that field saying it’s not worth it, so I’ve worked at the same warehouse for 4 years with no sight of advancement even with my knowledge, it’s reserved for the boot lickers not deserving employees
Great composition on that video
Solid repair job bro. Good work all around.
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At my office (which is a 60 year old pier and beam home) had to have I think 18 of the 24 beams replaced due to rotting, the back sorbet had been completely eaten out and only a small part of it was in tact, I don’t understand how the thing was still standing but the guy who came to replace it said it was the worst he’d seen in 20 years 😂😂😂
maybe its not a thing in North America, but Protectadeck or good old damp course over the top of the joists prevents that kind of rot from happening. Painting the joist also helps.
I'd love for you to rebuild my back porch deck. Great job.
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My house is 70 years old and there is a few bad Studs ,but nothing to crazy it's holding up till this day
I’m not claiming to be an expert however to my knowledge from many carpenters the reason why the hangars were nailed in rather than using screws is due to the shear strength of nails being substantially higher than screws that aren’t made to withstand a lateral load like that
Normal that’s true, but these screws are made specifically by Simpson also the maker of the hangers to be used in their hangers.
Nice clean job
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I treat all my wood before installing the deck.
It's been Fourth Year's since my last installation and it's still looks like the first day.
Not a fan of a project like this as a contractor. Luckily i can kind of choose my projects nowadays… This is well done and well performed
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