Right?! I was one of the retuning players having come from the original Portal. It never really occurred to me that first chapter was the tutorial because of how expertly it was done. I miss this Valve, the one that had amazing games before all they cared about is Steam.
Great video. I played through Portal 2 at a very young age (in comparison to many), and at no time did I feel overwhelmed or unable to figure out what to do. I just felt it fueled the exploration of mechanics, while also keeping the solutions somewhat linear and straight forward, so that anyone can easily get immersed in the atmosphere and the story...
@Qwertyioi I think it's what makes it so approachable! I mean, games like the Talos Principle and Qube are great, but I think the key to why they don't have any mainstream success is the opening levels.
From the Portal 1 Developer Commentary: "Portal is effectively an extended player training exercise. We spend a huge portion of the game introducing a series of gameplay tools, then layering these tools into increasingly difficult puzzles." Basically the entire game is a tutorial for the next section, naturally building on itself to teach complicated concepts and puzzle elements. That's part of why the game is so genius
That makes so much sense in both games! Both of them build up your skills, so the final "boss battles" feel like just a skill check rather than actual battles!
Counterpoint: The correct balance of explanation and exploration and handholding varies wildly from person to person, dependent on their temperament, preexisting gaming experience, preexisting game knowledge, mood, and the real-world context they are playing the game in. One person's way-too-handholdy is another person's way-too-open-ended-and-confusing. Therefore, no game can have a perfect balance because there _is_ no single perfect balance. Side note: This is a part of the motivation for very handholdy games - many developers consider the player feeling patronized and gated is considerably less bad than the player being confused and unable to play the game.
Hey bud, I have liked and subscribed, but wanted to give some feedback - The feedback SEEMS negative but I am sharing because I think you have lots of potential and maybe this might help guide you. Maybe you agree, maybe you disagree, but better for me as a Portal-obsessed binge watcher of youtube videos to share my thoughts, just in case you think "Oh yes, this might improve my next video and keep the audience engaged!". So my behaviour when clicking on the video - I clicked on this video because I love Portal 2 videos. I am a game dev. I love learning about history of the game, lore, or weird questions that RUclipsr's come up with. I have ADHD, but typically watch videos through from start to end, especially if it is an interest of mine (e.g. portal, valve, tf2). I was NOT interested in your video immediately, it's a slow intro on your video, showing the intro, then "Origins" section and such, I feel it should go more quickly into the actual Courtesy Call section where you analyse/compare with portal 1 and such. I was skipping to later parts and was suprised it's nearly half-way through the video before you begin talking about the main point of the video's title. The intro/origins part gives similar vibe of "Using google to find a recipie for cookies, but getting a life story of their past on why these cookies are important". It's a tricky one, on one hand, you want to share your perspective and experience and show your personality on your RUclips channel, but it also took priority over the actual title of the video in terms of "order" of where you placed things. I do wish to hear about your own experiences/opinions and such, perhaps shorter snippets of this WITHIN the actual "Courtesey Call" section, or at least moving it all to later part of the video. I am glad your video wasn't too much like "Portal 2 is a fps game from 1970 that did X Y Z and you play as Chell and it was produced by Valve", as this is a common issue with other videos, often games are known already and we get "reintroduced" to a game, thus making viewers skip parts of videos. Anyway, excellent stuff, hope to see more, and hopefully this comment is useful to you - I don't speak for EVERYONE but just something to consider. I guess the takeaway is to make sure the video's core focus is the priority, which you did do, but even more so!
I don't take that in anyway as negative, constructive criticism should never be mistake for such! I really want to improve each one of these videos every time I make them. Whether that is visual or writing so to know that the pacing is off is great to know in a lot of different ways. I'm definitely stealing the idea you had about telling my own experiences while doing the actual analysis to keep up video engagement! Thanking for watching and I hope I can keep your attention in the next one.
@@cakeylies Haha amazing to see your reply! Sometimes I give feedback and it's not taken as kindly (I mean, fair enough, I'm just a viewer, not a youtuber - Who am I to say anything!). And YES, perhaps some folks might not like the injection of personal experiences within the meat of the video topic, but I do like it, it's like a subtle way to get people curious about you yourself, but also it's quick/brief and keeps on topic and doesn't derail too much (nor is it just a "section" that people can skip, so you win both ways, hopefully!). Will keep my eye out for your next vids and will peek at older vids! Don't worry, I won't hammer you with feedback in all of your vids lmao
Go ahead and hammer away if you want! But no, thank you for the advice. Every time I can correct something wrong with my video, even if it is small, it brings me joy. I'm really trying to make the content I watch on a daily basis, but I can't do that without trial and error. Hope others who don't like your comments learn that critique is the best way to get better, so keep on commenting!
I actually didn’t realize the whole chapter was a tutorial, it’s that good
For me, that's exactly what I'm looking for in a tutorial! Stop with all the steps by steps mobile games. So love!
Right?! I was one of the retuning players having come from the original Portal. It never really occurred to me that first chapter was the tutorial because of how expertly it was done. I miss this Valve, the one that had amazing games before all they cared about is Steam.
Great video. I played through Portal 2 at a very young age (in comparison to many), and at no time did I feel overwhelmed or unable to figure out what to do. I just felt it fueled the exploration of mechanics, while also keeping the solutions somewhat linear and straight forward, so that anyone can easily get immersed in the atmosphere and the story...
@Qwertyioi I think it's what makes it so approachable! I mean, games like the Talos Principle and Qube are great, but I think the key to why they don't have any mainstream success is the opening levels.
I played it when I was 8
I was less than 7 when I played portal for the first time I think and I knew how to play well
From the Portal 1 Developer Commentary:
"Portal is effectively an extended player training exercise. We spend a huge portion of the game introducing a series of gameplay tools, then layering these tools into increasingly difficult puzzles."
Basically the entire game is a tutorial for the next section, naturally building on itself to teach complicated concepts and puzzle elements. That's part of why the game is so genius
That makes so much sense in both games! Both of them build up your skills, so the final "boss battles" feel like just a skill check rather than actual battles!
Bro, I thought this was a big channel, this video is so good, I hope your channel grows bro! Good stuff
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Here before this blows up
@@cosmophobia1917 Here's hoping!
I need more portal videos or I’m going to explode
Yes! I hope i see more in the coming months or maybe just maybe valve actually makes a 3rd game????
Fantastic video! I hope this gets more views :3
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!!!
84th subscriber. You will do amazing things, I can already tell.
Counterpoint: The correct balance of explanation and exploration and handholding varies wildly from person to person, dependent on their temperament, preexisting gaming experience, preexisting game knowledge, mood, and the real-world context they are playing the game in. One person's way-too-handholdy is another person's way-too-open-ended-and-confusing. Therefore, no game can have a perfect balance because there _is_ no single perfect balance.
Side note: This is a part of the motivation for very handholdy games - many developers consider the player feeling patronized and gated is considerably less bad than the player being confused and unable to play the game.
Good video :) interesting topic as a game dev
Yes, I think a lot of games forgot just how important the tutorial is. MMOs!!! Especially.
Great production quality. I was shocked that you have 39 subs
Thanks I keep trying to do better each video! Good to see it is working out, thanks for watching!
Hey bud, I have liked and subscribed, but wanted to give some feedback - The feedback SEEMS negative but I am sharing because I think you have lots of potential and maybe this might help guide you. Maybe you agree, maybe you disagree, but better for me as a Portal-obsessed binge watcher of youtube videos to share my thoughts, just in case you think "Oh yes, this might improve my next video and keep the audience engaged!".
So my behaviour when clicking on the video - I clicked on this video because I love Portal 2 videos. I am a game dev. I love learning about history of the game, lore, or weird questions that RUclipsr's come up with. I have ADHD, but typically watch videos through from start to end, especially if it is an interest of mine (e.g. portal, valve, tf2).
I was NOT interested in your video immediately, it's a slow intro on your video, showing the intro, then "Origins" section and such, I feel it should go more quickly into the actual Courtesy Call section where you analyse/compare with portal 1 and such. I was skipping to later parts and was suprised it's nearly half-way through the video before you begin talking about the main point of the video's title.
The intro/origins part gives similar vibe of "Using google to find a recipie for cookies, but getting a life story of their past on why these cookies are important". It's a tricky one, on one hand, you want to share your perspective and experience and show your personality on your RUclips channel, but it also took priority over the actual title of the video in terms of "order" of where you placed things. I do wish to hear about your own experiences/opinions and such, perhaps shorter snippets of this WITHIN the actual "Courtesey Call" section, or at least moving it all to later part of the video.
I am glad your video wasn't too much like "Portal 2 is a fps game from 1970 that did X Y Z and you play as Chell and it was produced by Valve", as this is a common issue with other videos, often games are known already and we get "reintroduced" to a game, thus making viewers skip parts of videos.
Anyway, excellent stuff, hope to see more, and hopefully this comment is useful to you - I don't speak for EVERYONE but just something to consider. I guess the takeaway is to make sure the video's core focus is the priority, which you did do, but even more so!
I don't take that in anyway as negative, constructive criticism should never be mistake for such! I really want to improve each one of these videos every time I make them. Whether that is visual or writing so to know that the pacing is off is great to know in a lot of different ways. I'm definitely stealing the idea you had about telling my own experiences while doing the actual analysis to keep up video engagement! Thanking for watching and I hope I can keep your attention in the next one.
@@cakeylies Haha amazing to see your reply! Sometimes I give feedback and it's not taken as kindly (I mean, fair enough, I'm just a viewer, not a youtuber - Who am I to say anything!).
And YES, perhaps some folks might not like the injection of personal experiences within the meat of the video topic, but I do like it, it's like a subtle way to get people curious about you yourself, but also it's quick/brief and keeps on topic and doesn't derail too much (nor is it just a "section" that people can skip, so you win both ways, hopefully!).
Will keep my eye out for your next vids and will peek at older vids! Don't worry, I won't hammer you with feedback in all of your vids lmao
Go ahead and hammer away if you want! But no, thank you for the advice. Every time I can correct something wrong with my video, even if it is small, it brings me joy. I'm really trying to make the content I watch on a daily basis, but I can't do that without trial and error. Hope others who don't like your comments learn that critique is the best way to get better, so keep on commenting!
I was really impressed by the tutorial in Spy Party, have you tried it?
I actually haven't touched that game, I can add it to my steam wishlist! Always down to try new games.