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"If you look to your teacher for all the answers, thats not enough.What your teacher tells you is dead stuff, but when you teach by yourself, you will undergo change"
I'm a 2nd gen expat Henanese, I think at 0:34 the guide is saying "even Guan Dong Quan". Which is mentioned later in the video by our old master. Who if he's 82 today, would have learned his Kung Fu in 1937.
Just watching these videos it is obvious these people lived this training (interesting on it's own) but it is their narrative about the reconstruction and the last 100 ish years of local history. The simplified northern vs southern Shaolin vs the gone Eastern and Western system changed to be called northern. It paints a much more complicated and compelling story. Great videos thanks
you know, a lot of what they discussed about blocking we've drilled in my karate class, but hearing it from here made me appreciate how important these basic concepts are.
Fantastic episode. In the late 1990s in Taiwan I met (several times) 86 yr old southern shaolin master (Ill have to go thru my notes to recall his name) through my shirfu and although I was studying hebei xing-yi quan I got to spend quite a bit of time with him.. he asked me to be his student but it was just impossible. I simply didnt have time to do learn another school and I just dont believe in forms collecting its all or nothing for me.. If only I had met him 1st... this guy was the real thing and mainland govt officials had visited him basically begging him to come back and pass on his knowledge.. this episode is deja vu for me LOL. bloody good stuff. I miss those days..
Some of them have never met a foreigner before, and are surprised there’s so much interest in their arts in the west when they struggle to get any Chinese to learn
This is too good a series. I really hope more can be documented. Is this kind of martial history series like what you are doing popular in China? Not commercial but nuanced and deep ?
The truth these masters speaks on understanding the movements is great, Keep doing what you do you are keeping kung fu alive and bring information to others that strive for this path
Excellent series of videos. This one ended way too soon. I was glued to what the man was saying then it was over. (This is not a complaint but high praise). Its so good i literally crave more. Really hoping you come out with the next video in the series soon. I love hearing about old school shaolin from these guys. So fascinating. Also i liked seeing your pao chui
These are excellent. Thank you so much for making these. I will be eagerly waiting for the next videos in this series. To be honest your whole channel is just very well done. Ill check out joels page and subscribe to both. Got switched on to your channel via josh's. Bought his shi san chui video on vimeo and will be getting yours in a month or so (want to get down the other form more concretely before moving on). Miss seeing joshs stuff. Hope he has the opportunity to post again one day. But your channel takes the exploration and research of true kung fu to great heights. Thank you again. Also, your series showcasing other arts, especially in Singapore was fantastic. Like that you are checking out silat. Cheers.
I really wonder, whether these old masters do or did actual real time sparring, or been trainning on some kind of punch bags. Most of the teacher nowadays however look strong while doing forms and "explode" their punches; but it's a totally different story when your punch is actually landing on a phisycal body. I really wonder when did (most of) nowadays kung fu teachers stopped trainning for actual fights; and whether these old master still have done it through their years. Any background info maybe on that? Great series, thanks for your great efforts!
Sparring as in like Muay Thai/Sanda type sparring... highly unlikely. But remember that China was a very violent place up until recent times, the need to protect yourself was very real. Also, the way of training was a lot more violent back then, my teacher told us that when he was learning, even the most basic partner drills had to be done with full intensity... if you didn't block you got hit. With that in mind, you have to remember that people who came to learn martial arts were already experienced fighters... they didn't come to learn how to fight per se, rather to up their game. As martial arts became more a hobby for the middle classes, things like push hands became more popular... a way to "spar" without really hurting each other... over time this evolved into these Jin tricks you see a lot on videos nowadays.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Thanks for your answer-yeah I didn't neccessary mean full gas Sanda like sparring, but real life application and realistic partner training yes, as I'm sure there must have been harder trainnings back then, just do't know when it actually stopped.. As you said, most of the schools left the actual realistic combat trainning in exchange for more comfortable sessions for bigger audiences, but I really hope there are still traditional masters out there who actually know how to use their crafts. Sadly, most of the time we get slow demonstrations on non reluctant students, so it's impossible to decide, whether a master truly would be effective in real life circumstances. There is an interesting video of a light sparring exchange of 2 Taiwan based master, you can see by their general movement and speed/precision that they indeed would be able to defend themselves in a real life situation, you may want to check it out: ruclips.net/video/N6M6NmZpFBg/видео.html
@@MonkeyStealsPeach it reminded me of my own experiences with teachers who would show me something and when I failed to grasp it immediately, just shake their heads and say something vague about a teacher only being able to take a student so far.
@@zechordlord Either, though it can be from sound experience trying to teach people too much and eventually realising you're wasting your energy - not that the student is necessarily stupid, just not ready. Well, that's my excuse anyway.
When I was training in Taiwan my shifu and my shibo talked about in the old times the teacher didnt do much teaching, they would observe the class and the senior students would run things. The teacher hardly ever showed their form to all students.. they would occasionally correct the senior and listen to students questions.. and thats what the old masters are indirectly hinting at. I was told that it was not productive to the students progress to answer their questions.. the teacher would wait and see what questions the student asked... it was how they measured the students sincerity, self training and genuine progress and not their imagined progress. A lot of gifted students can mask their true progress and the teacher needs to filter out the noise and wishful thinking and "park gong fu" theory. The questions you ask after 10,000 repetitions are VERY different from the questions you ask after only 1000.. My teachers expanded on this by saying the teachers real job is to gauge exactly what each student needs so that they can progress to the next level. so that the student can through a process of self-discovery find their own answers and solutions to a problem etc.. This also explains why some student get all bent out of shape because "you taught him that and its different from what you taught me" BS.. its the teacher optimising a lesson for each students needs at that point in time.. Also you have to remember traditional Chinese culture is very indirect. You have to listen to whats not being said - I lived in Shenzhen for a while also.. hard lessons for me also till I figured it out LOL You nailed it when you said "student just not ready" thats old school teaching in that one small sentence 🙂
Not to dehumanize these Masters of martial arts but I think these guys possess a part of the Chinese culture are in danger of extinction and the government or someone should do something about it. It will be a shame to protect endangered animal species and neglect human gems like this!
It depends on the regional governments. In Taigu and Qixian they have made it compulsory for school children to practice Xingyi as part of their PE class and the homes of past masters are listed heritage buildings. In Yantai where I learnt my Mantis they do nothing. As far as the central government, they do have organisations in place to protect these kinds of traditional culture, but the system is heavily flawed.
Get access to extra footage and early access to future episodes over on Patreon now www.patreon.com/monkeystealspeach and visit my shop for the special edition Shaolin T-shirts monkeystealspeach.com/shop/
"If you look to your teacher for all the answers, thats not enough.What your teacher tells you is dead stuff, but when you teach by yourself, you will undergo change"
Thanks for sharing...
These guys won't be around much longer.....
Straight from Orient thanks so much..
I'm a 2nd gen expat Henanese, I think at 0:34 the guide is saying "even Guan Dong Quan". Which is mentioned later in the video by our old master. Who if he's 82 today, would have learned his Kung Fu in 1937.
Just watching these videos it is obvious these people lived this training (interesting on it's own) but it is their narrative about the reconstruction and the last 100 ish years of local history. The simplified northern vs southern Shaolin vs the gone Eastern and Western system changed to be called northern. It paints a much more complicated and compelling story. Great videos thanks
profound advice at the end-when you teach yourself,you undergo change
it's very true
Awesome video bro! 👍
your videos are awesome too! :P
you know, a lot of what they discussed about blocking we've drilled in my karate class, but hearing it from here made me appreciate how important these basic concepts are.
Fantastic episode. In the late 1990s in Taiwan I met (several times) 86 yr old southern shaolin master (Ill have to go thru my notes to recall his name) through my shirfu and although I was studying hebei xing-yi quan I got to spend quite a bit of time with him.. he asked me to be his student but it was just impossible. I simply didnt have time to do learn another school and I just dont believe in forms collecting its all or nothing for me.. If only I had met him 1st... this guy was the real thing and mainland govt officials had visited him basically begging him to come back and pass on his knowledge.. this episode is deja vu for me LOL. bloody good stuff. I miss those days..
The feeling you get seeing the masters see you must be awesome. So surreal and beautiful. It must have been a great memory for the masters too
Some of them have never met a foreigner before, and are surprised there’s so much interest in their arts in the west when they struggle to get any Chinese to learn
AMAZING MATERIAL! thanks for sharing bro! true knowledge being shared the traditional way, from old master to young apprentice
This is too good a series. I really hope more can be documented. Is this kind of martial history series like what you are doing popular in China? Not commercial but nuanced and deep ?
Thanks very much! Not very popular no.
The truth these masters speaks on understanding the movements is great,
Keep doing what you do you are keeping kung fu alive and bring information to others that strive for this path
Thank you for the possibility to see the atmosphere of an old Masters!
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
Excellent series of videos. This one ended way too soon. I was glued to what the man was saying then it was over. (This is not a complaint but high praise). Its so good i literally crave more. Really hoping you come out with the next video in the series soon. I love hearing about old school shaolin from these guys. So fascinating.
Also i liked seeing your pao chui
I agree, this episode was too short.
Thats not me doing the Pao Chui, its Joel. His channel is in the description
BTW there’s two more vids in the series to come out, one each week
These are excellent. Thank you so much for making these. I will be eagerly waiting for the next videos in this series. To be honest your whole channel is just very well done. Ill check out joels page and subscribe to both. Got switched on to your channel via josh's. Bought his shi san chui video on vimeo and will be getting yours in a month or so (want to get down the other form more concretely before moving on). Miss seeing joshs stuff. Hope he has the opportunity to post again one day. But your channel takes the exploration and research of true kung fu to great heights. Thank you again.
Also, your series showcasing other arts, especially in Singapore was fantastic. Like that you are checking out silat.
Cheers.
Thanks a lot man! I was really hoping Josh was gonna come on this trip with us, but he’s busy with other stuff right now.
Thanks again for another great one. You are finding living treasures!
Very deep lesson
They put Long Wei on the spot haha That's a real anxiety nightmare lol jiayou shi xiong! Killed it like always
:)
that's so quotable: "Real awesome not fake awesome"
Awesome episode.
Su trabajo es genial, asombroso
thx for this🙏👍💪
I really wonder, whether these old masters do or did actual real time sparring, or been trainning on some kind of punch bags.
Most of the teacher nowadays however look strong while doing forms and "explode" their punches; but it's a totally different story when your punch is actually landing on a phisycal body.
I really wonder when did (most of) nowadays kung fu teachers stopped trainning for actual fights; and whether these old master still have done it through their years.
Any background info maybe on that?
Great series, thanks for your great efforts!
Sparring as in like Muay Thai/Sanda type sparring... highly unlikely. But remember that China was a very violent place up until recent times, the need to protect yourself was very real. Also, the way of training was a lot more violent back then, my teacher told us that when he was learning, even the most basic partner drills had to be done with full intensity... if you didn't block you got hit.
With that in mind, you have to remember that people who came to learn martial arts were already experienced fighters... they didn't come to learn how to fight per se, rather to up their game. As martial arts became more a hobby for the middle classes, things like push hands became more popular... a way to "spar" without really hurting each other... over time this evolved into these Jin tricks you see a lot on videos nowadays.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach
Thanks for your answer-yeah I didn't neccessary mean full gas Sanda like sparring, but real life application and realistic partner training yes, as I'm sure there must have been harder trainnings back then, just do't know when it actually stopped..
As you said, most of the schools left the actual realistic combat trainning in exchange for more comfortable sessions for bigger audiences, but I really hope there are still traditional masters out there who actually know how to use their crafts.
Sadly, most of the time we get slow demonstrations on non reluctant students, so it's impossible to decide, whether a master truly would be effective in real life circumstances.
There is an interesting video of a light sparring exchange of 2 Taiwan based master, you can see by their general movement and speed/precision that they indeed would be able to defend themselves in a real life situation, you may want to check it out:
ruclips.net/video/N6M6NmZpFBg/видео.html
@@belzebul Many thanks for the link, this is amazing ! What a speed and control, I've never seen such a thing except Bruce Lee...
awesome
isnt tha on the doors guan yu?
How long do you typically stay with these masters when you visit? I assume for at least a few hours but not sure
Depends, some a few hours as you say, some a few days
Its not Liu Baosen its Liu Baoshan - a founder of Tagou school
sorry, that accent is just so strong!
What do u use for filming ?
there's a link to my camera and microphone in the description
Ha ha ha!
Whats up?
@@MonkeyStealsPeach it reminded me of my own experiences with teachers who would show me something and when I failed to grasp it immediately, just shake their heads and say something vague about a teacher only being able to take a student so far.
@@huzhuiwei I disliked that part too. I couldn't keep wondering if it's lazy teaching or just a fact of life.
@@zechordlord Either, though it can be from sound experience trying to teach people too much and eventually realising you're wasting your energy - not that the student is necessarily stupid, just not ready. Well, that's my excuse anyway.
When I was training in Taiwan my shifu and my shibo talked about in the old times the teacher didnt do much teaching, they would observe the class and the senior students would run things. The teacher hardly ever showed their form to all students.. they would occasionally correct the senior and listen to students questions.. and thats what the old masters are indirectly hinting at. I was told that it was not productive to the students progress to answer their questions.. the teacher would wait and see what questions the student asked... it was how they measured the students sincerity, self training and genuine progress and not their imagined progress. A lot of gifted students can mask their true progress and the teacher needs to filter out the noise and wishful thinking and "park gong fu" theory. The questions you ask after 10,000 repetitions are VERY different from the questions you ask after only 1000.. My teachers expanded on this by saying the teachers real job is to gauge exactly what each student needs so that they can progress to the next level. so that the student can through a process of self-discovery find their own answers and solutions to a problem etc..
This also explains why some student get all bent out of shape because "you taught him that and its different from what you taught me" BS.. its the teacher optimising a lesson for each students needs at that point in time..
Also you have to remember traditional Chinese culture is very indirect. You have to listen to whats not being said - I lived in Shenzhen for a while also.. hard lessons for me also till I figured it out LOL
You nailed it when you said "student just not ready" thats old school teaching in that one small sentence 🙂
Not to dehumanize these Masters of martial arts but I think these guys possess a part of the Chinese culture are in danger of extinction and the government or someone should do something about it. It will be a shame to protect endangered animal species and neglect human gems like this!
It depends on the regional governments.
In Taigu and Qixian they have made it compulsory for school children to practice Xingyi as part of their PE class and the homes of past masters are listed heritage buildings. In Yantai where I learnt my Mantis they do nothing.
As far as the central government, they do have organisations in place to protect these kinds of traditional culture, but the system is heavily flawed.
看来少林并不能给人带来身体健康 ，还是练太极好。
为什么这么说？
看了这个视频 ，我知道，中国的农村，还停留在18世纪 。