Yes Gentlemen, thisi is what I have been waiting for. Let me thank you both very much and God Bless you and all the people involved. Paul, 67, retired instructor of Karate.
TQ uploader for this informative piece of authentic shaolin and its most advance form of Kung Fu. A colleague of mine was practicing Xinyi ion his visit to the temple when he was spotted by a resident who commented that it was the ultimate style as confirmed by you. This system is kept to disciples only.
I saw a documentary about him a few years ago, back then his financial situation wasn't that good, I'm glad he is able to use his passion for Kung Fu and turn his life around. He is one of only a handful of masters in China that teaches Xin Yi Ba, a real treasure for sure.
11:38...just saw the famous aikido circle steps left and right... If we only had documents where did Ueshiba go...what Chinese martial arts did he saw where he was in Manchuria....
@@MonkeyStealsPeach yeah Chinese government killed many kung fu masters and chased away even more masters from China in the past Now they only support wushu and their useless operatic moves
Perhaps you should spend some time in China and judge for yourself. The world is much more complex than clickbait titles and tabloid newspapers will lead you to believe.
Have you heard of Shaolin master Shi Dejian and his Kung fu brother Master Wu Nanfang is the great, great grandson of Master Wu Gulun? Shi Dejian has a fascinating story of being one of the last actual Shaolin worrier monks of the monastery in Henan and being allowed to continue teaching Xinyiba to other monks in training. Wu Nanfang opened the Wu Gulun school to the public, below Shi Dejian's mountain top monastery.
hooooly toledo... there's so much juice in this! the block transitioning to the kick, the circle throws, now i'm thinking about what i already know differently! Thanks so much for putting this out there. How's the Xingyi interviews going? i kinda want to know how you're able to locate all these masters. btw, on a side note, could you film some sparring videos? It'd be interesting to see how you respond to different situations on the fly.
I watched a couple wing chun instructors talk about the importance of circles. You cant meet force with force with someone stronger than you or much heavier. But if you meet force with circular structures you can dissipate or redirect that force. Also they demonstrated that the human body has a hard time resisting circular movements, because our brains and body mechanics apply strength or resistance in a linear fashion. So in this way you can overcome a stronger opponent. Looks like same principle is being shown here.
Your program is really good Monkey Steals Peach. I would suggest to interview Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Eli Montaigue. They are other authorities in Chinese Martial Arts. Thank you for your videos.
Very interesting indeed. Very informative. I am guessing that Xinyiba is considered the highest form or last taught form at the Northern Shaolin Temple. Not the Southern, where I understand the highest level of anything taught is their Nei Gong and specifically the original Nei Gong from which the modern day Yan Shou Gong set is taken from. I know as well that both Wumei Quan and Five Ancestors Fist are considered among the highest level of the Southern Shaolin fighting styles taught and usually only taught to monks at the temple after they have trained years in other styles. The reason being that there is lots of internal work which is extremely complex due to the high degree of subtle internal aspects that can only be understood and achieved once a student has a solid foundation and is very in touch with their body.
I suggest you check out my documentary series on Fujian martial arts. The Southern Shaolin Temple was a myth created by anti-Qing groups and was not a real place in history. These arts were most likely created much later and just took on the mythology of these groups
How about you do another try at internal martial arts like Liu He Ba Fa, i heard they released a manual that is quite powerful to understand internal martial arts. Although i hope things are not going like with Jesse that was taught using his hips for decades by endless master and is still corrected ....
you should enable videos subtitles so that we can translate to other languages, it would really help bring more people in and understand. actually you could use youtube subtitles instead of impress them on video ;=)
It might seem like an odd thing to say now, but you guys are so lucky. I'd give anything to explore a place as steeped in history and culture as China, the way you have.
Hey🙏 I was wondering why some shaolin monks don’t have their fists angled correctly when punching? I have seen this in other videos of them(I haven’t watched this yet)
@@MonkeyStealsPeach yeah I thought that. But surely it wouldn’t hurt to make it properly executed and then it would even make for a better performance. It Just doesn’t make sense at all. It’s heartbreaking actually.
This guy is basically explaining to you how to become a kung fu superman and you are kind of staring in the void .... ehhhh ...🤣. But i think one thing is missing, he did not explains the role and impartance of qi xing cause its what guides the practitioner and enables him, its the fundamental guideline and ultimate manual in kung fu.
Interesting however I can’t see how this would be a good self defence system as today’s martial arts has evolved and I believe an average MMA fighter would have little trouble dealing with these kind of attacks
@Panny. All MMA has its origin in traditional MA. Just as a boxer, wrestler, muay thai has to evolve to fit into non classical combat. Even a wrestler or boxer has to evolve when fighting classical KF, such a KF practitioner has to evolve to accommodate wrestlers or boxers. Remember that traditional KF is firstly to develop and cultivate health through chi and fighting is coincidental. As such they would have the foundation to enhance their combat skills for MMA although it would go against the whole concept of traditional KF for that sole purpose; KF is about turning a bar of iron into a needle.
Unless you're training for the UFC I don't see why it matters, especially since you already established that this is meant for self defense where the assailant is generally not a MMA practitioner so your criticism is completely irrelevant
The moves may look different but the principles are the same. The average MMA fighter wouldn't be able to lay a finger on these types of fighters (and I say this from personal experience). The average MMA fighters don't even know how to punch properly.
yes and an mma fighter can deal against double leg takedown and a jab does that mean those technnique aren t legit? i think most techniques shown on the video would work on an mma fight if you choose the right moment to use them and of course in order to do that you have to be a mma fighter you too
Note that this instructor mentioned that first one must have some proficiency in Shaolin skills (kung fu) before starting to learn Shaolin's Xing Yi Ba. This reminds me of the man credited with founding Bagua Zhang (now often written in English as Baguazhang); for he would only teach individuals who were already proficient in a martial art [just as he taught Baguazhang to himself - so-to-speak - after he was already proficient in a martial art: one called Overturning Palm (Fan Zhang) I believe]. My first formal exposure to Chinese martial-arts instruction was with Baguazhang - in semi-private lessons with a training partner who was already himself a skillful martial-artist [in Jukabo: a mix of combat-oriented Karate, Judo, & Kickboxing (the founder of which ended up imprisoned for going too far in a street fight); & my training partner taught private Kickboxing lessons to select individuals (he even had a female student become a champion kickboxer)]; & I on the other hand wasn't proficient at anything (although I had already had some exposure in the bare basics of several other martial arts): & this difference between us showed greatly when my understanding & progress in Baguazhang was compared to my training partner's understanding & progress; for I - more often than not - couldn't even recognize the possible applications within much of the Sun-Style Baguazhang Forms that we practiced [nor was my body already familiar with efficient, gross-movement, martial-art applications during a time when the emphasis in class was being placed on learning some very-fine (subtle) movements as substitutes for - or supplements to - gross movements]; & in stark contrast, my skilled training partner quickly understood many usages within the forms & was able to apply Baguazhang's concepts into actual fighting techniques rather quickly. Some high art forms require some type of strong base as a prerequisite else learning the high art form will be extremely slow & the student's experiential knowledge & abilities will likely be quite poor even after much practice (because the instruction given is deliberately incomplete: it's meant only to add to one's base, & not to actually give one a base). - - - That said, I can see where someone with experience in Xing Yi Quan's Splitting Form plus Sun Style &/or Yin Style Baguazhang could closely approximate performing the Shaolin Xing Yi Ba techniques in this video with good effect.
Baguazhang or the art that would come to be called Baguazhang was taught to those with fighting proficiency in my opinion mostly because Dong Haichuan was in close interaction with those kinds of individuals being a bodyguard to Prince Su and imperial tax collector, and developed Baguazhang initially for use by such individuals. Yin Fu was a 1st rank imperial guard and Cheng Tinghua despite his civilian reputation was involved with the Baojia and the military as well. Baoding Wrestling was the foundation of all elite military training in that era so Dong Haichuan, Yin Fu, and Cheng Tinghua would have all been proficient in it and such a basis is represented in the systems themselves. In the modern day I do think proficiency in some other martial art helps with some things including possibly Xinyiba. My master would never admit it but his years of experience in Chen Taijiquan and Wutan Bajiquan probably made picking up Yin Style Baguazhang a lot easier for him.
Funny to see you totally overburdened with the explanations. You missed a lot of asking questions to get terms like Hunyuan elaborated either, thats a pity. You gonna find it in Chen Taiji Hunyuan maybe a little bit clearer. Hun means undifferentiated unity, the state of mind and being that occurs when one does not divide the world into concepts. In other words, hun is equivalent to inner silence. Yuan means origin or original. The importance of Yuan is attested by the fact that it is the opening word of Qian, the first chapter of the I ching (The Classic of Change) Hun with yuan becomes the concept Hunyuan, the Primordial State of Being. The term is synonymous with the word Dao itself and also with Taiji (the Undifferentiated, as in Taiji Quan, a martial art and healing art that blends yin and yang, suppleness with strength). It is also the spiritual state of a person who practices Daoist meditation. That is, a meditator’s goal is to become Hunyuan.
Xin Yi Ba was made by Bodiharama Calba that’s an Angolan martial art he taught it to the Chinese and Indians mainly for meditation and surviving xin yi Ba is not a Chinese martial art it has only 6 moves and better principles then all forms of xin yi don’t let these guys fool you the first xin yi was xin yi Ba
Yes Gentlemen, thisi is what I have been waiting for. Let me thank you both very much and God Bless you and all the people involved. Paul, 67, retired instructor of Karate.
I've been wanting this for so long. You've made me so happy making this. Saving my rear end off to spend time at this school
Yeah - I'm thinking he's pretty much the top pick for any type of long-term immersion training option in China. Great video, MSP!!!
TQ uploader for this informative piece of authentic shaolin and its most advance form of Kung Fu. A colleague of mine was practicing Xinyi ion his visit to the temple when he was spotted by a resident who commented that it was the ultimate style as confirmed by you. This system is kept to disciples only.
I like this master a lot, he is very humble, but its evident he has a in depth knowledge of real, Kung Fu, thanks for sharing.
I saw a documentary about him a few years ago, back then his financial situation wasn't that good, I'm glad he is able to use his passion for Kung Fu and turn his life around. He is one of only a handful of masters in China that teaches Xin Yi Ba, a real treasure for sure.
Great film, really rich in content! Thanks so much for making this publicly available 😃👍
That was great! Would love to see more about Xinyiba.
very good video... similar to muay thai and its clinch and take down and sweep, and the explanation of clinch and take down is very scientific
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
11:38...just saw the famous aikido circle steps left and right...
If we only had documents where did Ueshiba go...what Chinese martial arts did he saw where he was in Manchuria....
Very interesting, so many similarities to Chen Taiji. Just goes to show there are many paths up the mountain but they start to merge near the summit.
Excellent video, thank you.
Your RUclips channel is an educational treasure..
Thanks a lot! My goal is to document the various styles of martial arts in China as a lot of them are getting lost
@@MonkeyStealsPeach yeah Chinese government killed many kung fu masters and chased away even more masters from China in the past
Now they only support wushu and their useless operatic moves
Perhaps you should spend some time in China and judge for yourself. The world is much more complex than clickbait titles and tabloid newspapers will lead you to believe.
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing this.
Have you heard of Shaolin master Shi Dejian and his Kung fu brother Master Wu Nanfang is the great, great grandson of Master Wu Gulun? Shi Dejian has a fascinating story of being one of the last actual Shaolin worrier monks of the monastery in Henan and being allowed to continue teaching Xinyiba to other monks in training. Wu Nanfang opened the Wu Gulun school to the public, below Shi Dejian's mountain top monastery.
Do you kwnow if Shi De Jiang and Master Hu have the same linage.? I am so interested in that
What does Who say and what does Who show? Who is master Who?
Cool! Good stuff Will!
Nice, some good (foundational) ideas to help me remember some things from times trainning with my teacher.
peace.
hooooly toledo...
there's so much juice in this! the block transitioning to the kick, the circle throws, now i'm thinking about what i already know differently! Thanks so much for putting this out there.
How's the Xingyi interviews going? i kinda want to know how you're able to locate all these masters.
btw, on a side note, could you film some sparring videos? It'd be interesting to see how you respond to different situations on the fly.
Glad you got something from it!
I’m in Shanxi now filming the Xingyi series. Been to meet two Dai Style teachers today
This stuff looks good!
I watched a couple wing chun instructors talk about the importance of circles. You cant meet force with force with someone stronger than you or much heavier. But if you meet force with circular structures you can dissipate or redirect that force. Also they demonstrated that the human body has a hard time resisting circular movements, because our brains and body mechanics apply strength or resistance in a linear fashion. So in this way you can overcome a stronger opponent. Looks like same principle is being shown here.
Your program is really good Monkey Steals Peach. I would suggest to interview Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Eli Montaigue. They are other authorities in Chinese Martial Arts. Thank you for your videos.
Very interesting indeed. Very informative. I am guessing that Xinyiba is considered the highest form or last taught form at the Northern Shaolin Temple. Not the Southern, where I understand the highest level of anything taught is their Nei Gong and specifically the original Nei Gong from which the modern day Yan Shou Gong set is taken from. I know as well that both Wumei Quan and Five Ancestors Fist are considered among the highest level of the Southern Shaolin fighting styles taught and usually only taught to monks at the temple after they have trained years in other styles. The reason being that there is lots of internal work which is extremely complex due to the high degree of subtle internal aspects that can only be understood and achieved once a student has a solid foundation and is very in touch with their body.
I suggest you check out my documentary series on Fujian martial arts. The Southern Shaolin Temple was a myth created by anti-Qing groups and was not a real place in history. These arts were most likely created much later and just took on the mythology of these groups
How about you do another try at internal martial arts like Liu He Ba Fa, i heard they released a manual that is quite powerful to understand internal martial arts. Although i hope things are not going like with Jesse that was taught using his hips for decades by endless master and is still corrected ....
He moves as smooth as silk.
you should enable videos subtitles so that we can translate to other languages, it would really help bring more people in and understand. actually you could use youtube subtitles instead of impress them on video ;=)
Thats a really good idea, thanks!
It might seem like an odd thing to say now, but you guys are so lucky. I'd give anything to explore a place as steeped in history and culture as China, the way you have.
Ziran Men is as far as i know a taoist system too, could be fun for you
Hi I really like the logo on the top right corner in the end of the video, is it the school's logo or your logo, thank you
Not sure which logo you mean
@@MonkeyStealsPeach The black&white drawing graphic of two person pushing hands (and one palm strike the other)
Oh, that’s the thumbnail for the Shaolin Xinyiba channel
@@MonkeyStealsPeach Right!! Yeah it's a very inspiring design!!
These are very cool. Will I love listening to you going “mmm”.... “mmm”
Of course you love it!
Hey🙏
I was wondering why some shaolin monks don’t have their fists angled correctly when punching?
I have seen this in other videos of them(I haven’t watched this yet)
Most modern monks are purely focused on performance
@@MonkeyStealsPeach yeah I thought that.
But surely it wouldn’t hurt to make it properly executed and then it would even make for a better performance.
It Just doesn’t make sense at all.
It’s heartbreaking actually.
9:60...what six harmonies does he mean?
xinyiba that is the top secret of shall in Kung fu
Ultra instant
So soft! That’s skill.
13:44 looks like a variation of 雞步。
Great explanations! How is Tianjin/Tangshan working out?
Just Tianjin, no Tang Shan. Done two interviews here and getting the night train to Shanxi tonight
Applications more interesting than the form...
That's the whole beauty of it: form into application. Working as a whole, as body and mind😊
Mastered Ultra instinct
This guy is basically explaining to you how to become a kung fu superman and you are kind of staring in the void .... ehhhh ...🤣. But i think one thing is missing, he did not explains the role and impartance of qi xing cause its what guides the practitioner and enables him, its the fundamental guideline and ultimate manual in kung fu.
Interesting however I can’t see how this would be a good self defence system as today’s martial arts has evolved and I believe an average MMA fighter would have little trouble dealing with these kind of attacks
@Panny. All MMA has its origin in traditional MA. Just as a boxer, wrestler, muay thai has to evolve to fit into non classical combat. Even a wrestler or boxer has to evolve when fighting classical KF, such a KF practitioner has to evolve to accommodate wrestlers or boxers. Remember that traditional KF is firstly to develop and cultivate health through chi and fighting is coincidental. As such they would have the foundation to enhance their combat skills for MMA although it would go against the whole concept of traditional KF for that sole purpose; KF is about turning a bar of iron into a needle.
Unless you're training for the UFC I don't see why it matters, especially since you already established that this is meant for self defense where the assailant is generally not a MMA practitioner so your criticism is completely irrelevant
The moves may look different but the principles are the same. The average MMA fighter wouldn't be able to lay a finger on these types of fighters (and I say this from personal experience). The average MMA fighters don't even know how to punch properly.
yes and an mma fighter can deal against double leg takedown and a jab does that mean those technnique aren t legit? i think most techniques shown on the video would work on an mma fight if you choose the right moment to use them and of course in order to do that you have to be a mma fighter you too
What a load of crap real kung fu beats mma all day most ufc fighters can't even box for a start
Note that this instructor mentioned that first one must have some proficiency in Shaolin skills (kung fu) before starting to learn Shaolin's Xing Yi Ba.
This reminds me of the man credited with founding Bagua Zhang (now often written in English as Baguazhang); for he would only teach individuals who were already proficient in a martial art [just as he taught Baguazhang to himself - so-to-speak - after he was already proficient in a martial art: one called Overturning Palm (Fan Zhang) I believe].
My first formal exposure to Chinese martial-arts instruction was with Baguazhang - in semi-private lessons with a training partner who was already himself a skillful martial-artist [in Jukabo: a mix of combat-oriented Karate, Judo, & Kickboxing (the founder of which ended up imprisoned for going too far in a street fight); & my training partner taught private Kickboxing lessons to select individuals (he even had a female student become a champion kickboxer)]; & I on the other hand wasn't proficient at anything (although I had already had some exposure in the bare basics of several other martial arts): & this difference between us showed greatly when my understanding & progress in Baguazhang was compared to my training partner's understanding & progress; for I - more often than not - couldn't even recognize the possible applications within much of the Sun-Style Baguazhang Forms that we practiced [nor was my body already familiar with efficient, gross-movement, martial-art applications during a time when the emphasis in class was being placed on learning some very-fine (subtle) movements as substitutes for - or supplements to - gross movements]; & in stark contrast, my skilled training partner quickly understood many usages within the forms & was able to apply Baguazhang's concepts into actual fighting techniques rather quickly.
Some high art forms require some type of strong base as a prerequisite else learning the high art form will be extremely slow & the student's experiential knowledge & abilities will likely be quite poor even after much practice (because the instruction given is deliberately incomplete: it's meant only to add to one's base, & not to actually give one a base).
- - -
That said, I can see where someone with experience in Xing Yi Quan's Splitting Form plus Sun Style &/or Yin Style Baguazhang could closely approximate performing the Shaolin Xing Yi Ba techniques in this video with good effect.
Baguazhang or the art that would come to be called Baguazhang was taught to those with fighting proficiency in my opinion mostly because Dong Haichuan was in close interaction with those kinds of individuals being a bodyguard to Prince Su and imperial tax collector, and developed Baguazhang initially for use by such individuals. Yin Fu was a 1st rank imperial guard and Cheng Tinghua despite his civilian reputation was involved with the Baojia and the military as well. Baoding Wrestling was the foundation of all elite military training in that era so Dong Haichuan, Yin Fu, and Cheng Tinghua would have all been proficient in it and such a basis is represented in the systems themselves. In the modern day I do think proficiency in some other martial art helps with some things including possibly Xinyiba. My master would never admit it but his years of experience in Chen Taijiquan and Wutan Bajiquan probably made picking up Yin Style Baguazhang a lot easier for him.
Funny to see you totally overburdened with the explanations. You missed a lot of asking questions to get terms like Hunyuan elaborated either, thats a pity. You gonna find it in Chen Taiji Hunyuan maybe a little bit clearer. Hun means undifferentiated unity, the state of mind and being that occurs when one does not divide the world into concepts. In other words, hun is equivalent to inner silence. Yuan means origin or original. The importance of Yuan is attested by the fact that it is the opening word of Qian, the first chapter of the I ching (The Classic of Change)
Hun with yuan becomes the concept Hunyuan, the Primordial State of Being. The term is synonymous with the word Dao itself and also with Taiji (the Undifferentiated, as in Taiji Quan, a martial art and healing art that blends yin and yang, suppleness with strength).
It is also the spiritual state of a person who practices Daoist meditation. That is, a meditator’s goal is to become Hunyuan.
Xin Yi Ba was made by Bodiharama Calba that’s an Angolan martial art he taught it to the Chinese and Indians mainly for meditation and surviving xin yi Ba is not a Chinese martial art it has only 6 moves and better principles then all forms of xin yi don’t let these guys fool you the first xin yi was xin yi Ba