Man I just love these guys keeping the old disciplines alive and just how good they are when there's context. I also loved how you made the wrestling connection, it really shows that we humans are one big entity. Thanks very much for your dedication to learning and sharing, KL.
Thanks. Just to add that, it was not until the recent century that separated wrestling from striking. Kungfu for thousand years were all encompassing between striking, take downs and weapons blending.
It is all meaningless to me without context. I have never been one for doing endless forms without knowing the applications. Once you know the applications you can better visualize the form against an attacker.
@CanadaFree-ce9jn Is still good exercise without the application. Tai Chi application is great, but good luck finding a teacher that really knows what it is or is willing to speculate
Totally, SIfu Vincent is one of the only people out there that understood and taught the correct distance instead of just trying to get people to do western boxing with movements from their forms. When he teaches a form you really understand not just the movement, but your position in relation to the opponent.
Not an easy thing to master. Yet, using the mind & waist is a must to generate power, otherwise it is just limbs. First do the form slowly using the mind to teach the body, feel the motion.
@@prfu1222 There's only the right time & place to train. Otherwise you will never get to be the best you can be. One can never stop learning in Gung Fu. Start with something more physical if you don't have the time, eg. boxing or Muay Thai.
@@MustAfaalik I love the comment. I have close to 30 years of Wing Chun already from the same lineage as Kevin. Respectfully I am a Sifu that is interested in learning another Chinese martial art. And Sifu Vincent teaches Baji which has always been an interest to me. But there class schedule does not match my career schedule. Family has to eat and house has to get paid. Priorities first I guess.
Thank you Sifus Mei & Kevin. My first time coming across Piqua. It is not for me with arthritis in both knees, but i appreciate the beauty & effectiveness of Piqua. Well done, keep it up!
@@KevinLeeVlog Dear Mister Kevin, Thank you for sharing with us such a wealth of Chinese Wisdom in Martial Arts. I noticed that you reside in the United States; if you ever get the chance and it is not a great inconvenience for you, perhaps you could visit Boulder, Colorado, and try to prepare a video with Hiroshi Ikeda, Instructor of Aikido, who has a school there. I can assure you that he has made such a deep study of body mechanics in his particular art that you would be most impressed with what he teaches. Cheers.
my taekwondo master who taught special forces in Vietnam taught little ground technique for the same reason. Get tied up on the ground you're dead. seen it, experienced it on the streets. beating 2 guys on the ground but that 3rd guy who jumped on my back bounced Mt head off the black top to unconsciousness. one on one you can go to the ground and do locks and chokes but the streets are rarely one on one.
even one on one going to the ground isnt advisable unless it is on a soft mat..and you know...u can break out from a hold with cheap actions that get sanctioned in a competitive setting
Vincent does a good job of describing what he does. Very clear explanations, clear examples of applications and tactics, combined with Bajiquan. The wheel lift was impressive. The only thing he didn't cover so much was the pain involved in training the hands. I know people use a kind of snake venom paste to heal the inflammation quicker, which, over time, also helps condition the hands. It's best not to hit the skull or other hard parts of the body. This pigua reminds me of hsing-I and the throws ba-gua. Maybe they were once related?
Lots of northern styles share some DNA or influenced one another. Pigua’s paida methods are the best. It’s very old school, the main thing we focus on are stationary palms like pai Shuai, wulong panda, etc., and 4 fighting lines, “pi, bao, zheng and kao.” Training like Xing Yi or tantui. This Pigua also has some special palm training methods - like using the dog skin. The forms are so short but they are so dense with good stuff.
Vincent did say it. He said practitioners have to train their hands with dit da jow (and he clarified a second time by calling it DDJ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dit_da_jow
Mr. Lee, I always learn so much from your videos. Keep putting out this amazing content. Please explore Nei Gong next. I'd love to see some more of the internal arts here. You rock!
2:17 funny enough, there was actually a style of boxing cooked up by some guy in the late 1800s who believed in literally throwing punches, as he thought that humans were more evolved to and more intuitively understood how to throw something than how to punch, and the motion would allow for unorthodox arcs of entry and a "whipping" power
He's correct, about the evolution/intuitive understanding of throwing. A chimpanzee is way stronger than a human is... but a chimp can only hit like 20mph on a thrown rock, tops. The human motor cortex in such a way that we are much better at the important timings in throwing than any chimp can be. Incidentally, Edwin Haislet in his manual of boxing in 1940 has this to say: "Hitting does not mean pushing. True hitting may be likened to a snap of a whip - all the energy is slowly concentrated and then suddenly released with a tremendous outpouring of power. Pushing is exactly the opposite, with concentrated force at the start of the blow and a subsequent loss of power as the arm leaves the body."
@KyeCreates yesterday "pigua" and "baji quan" were highlighted in blue with a little magnifying glass symbol next to them. I've never seen them before, but today they're gone and the words are regular text. Super weird. I'm going to check Google about it. Maybe new you tube feature or something
Another great lesson! I like how intelligent are your questions Kevin. Instead to lead the video, you give all the space to the guest. That's great! And thanks a lot to Master Mei.
Kevin trying new styles is so cool because he already moves so good, he can pick up body methods really easy. It’s hard to believe he’s never done pigua before.
Damn Kevin picked up the windmill arm thing really quick. That is something my sifu makes me do for our warmup and still cant do it properly. I will get it once in awhile but then lose it. I am jealous. Neat seeing the application.
Piqua is great I learned it with my Bajiquan training so good. They go well together & contrary to belief you can make your Piqua more Yang & Bajiquan more Yin. I like doing both explosively, remember Bajiquan is an Internal & External Martial Art 👍🤜🫷 When we used to warm up, it was Piqua, Tong bei, Baguazhang & of course Bajiquan.
@ Yes if your comment was directed at me there is Hsing Yi cross over in our school. However I feel most of the hard external conditioning comes in the form of the Bajiquan pai Dai & Tui Na and tree striking conditioning 👍
Right but wushu isnt a broad term for chinese martial arts its very specific to the sport of wushu.. but you are right and maybe a distinction should be made, i believe he was referring to modern wushu as opposed to traditional wushu@@jacobharris954
@@jacobharris954Oh yeah, I know. However, a lot of modern Wushu is very sport and aesthetics based. It looks flashy and beautiful, but I dare say many Wushu practitioners aren’t taught the real applications. Even Sifu Mei acknowledged this in the clip, how modern Wushu athletes who do the sport for 9 years suddenly realize their technique’s true purpose when they train with him. So yes who knew that Wushu technique could escape a clinch? Probably not a lot. And Sifu Mei shows how it’s used here. So cool!
Historically, modern Wushu was an attempt by Beijing under the CCP to come up with a standardised system, comprising mostly from the Northern style of martial arts. Many of them were similar in nature because of the inherent Longfist large stances and long arm reach, but their routines and training methods were distinct from each other. However, the basic routines in Modern Wushu, the 5 stances routine （五步拳）, and the basic Tan Tui routine develops a solid foundation for Northern styles, which will make it easier for a practitioner to transit into the traditional schools.
One of my favourite styles - Thanks for sharing I do wing chun mainly and other styles including tiger, crane a little wushu and taiji as well as ba gua karate and kickboxing and always wanted to learn pigua so much
As seen here, many Bajiquan practitioners also practiced Piguazhang. These styles are so close people often refer to them together in a single phrase. It's actually rare to see people only learning Piguazhang, I think.
The "pi" movement doesn't seem too different from a rear overhand in boxing. I've found a lot of benefit employing the internal mechanics and visualisation techniques from kung fu while boxing. It's quite remarkable how speed, power, accuracy and stamina all improve when you learn to relax through the movements and drive from lower down.
Wow!! Is this northern style? Wipping is also used in tiger claw and similar, but I like the long Range action to later implement Shai jiau. It's fascinating to see so many similarities between kung fu styles. Very curious to learn this lineage!
It's interesting to see this kind of unfamiliar martial arts. I mean, if you haven't seen this and you fight someone who are using this, it will be confusing as hell. You're not familiar with their moves, whereas they're really familiar with your move, if you learned the more common martial arts.
These swing punches,with forearm,palm ,sides of hand,seems peculiar to CMA. From what i heard,Buk Sing Choy Lee Fut are the best at it. I would love to see them more in depth.
I just can't say enough. How much I enjoy the show? Maybe. It's just my lack of knowledge in Chinese arts. Did I find the information so captivating . I love these not very well-known martial arts.
Yep, I've seen that swinging arms Wushu technique many times, and I never thought of it as having an actual application led-alone application in the clench.
This is my favorite Kung Fu videos you’ve made. I used to watch this soapy Wing Chun Series that had a Pigua practitioner. I was so inspired and mystified by his movements. So cool to see this explanation.
Anyone learning this technique should combine it with the Iron Palm. One can imagine the blow. It could easily kill! 😄 He mentioned DDJ...the good stuff is difficult to get these days. 😢
If there's a chance please ask him how a pigua and baji master would mix the two or if they use one style at the time because i pretty much only know the classic baji elbow but when he explained the parry with the overhand slap i could see that being either followed by the bajiquan elbow or the slap changes to the elbow so i think it would be interesting to see a mix of the styles, maybe if possible in a future video please, consider it as a suggestion.
I did three seminars this year introducing the concept of mixing Bajiquan and Pigua Zhang. @kevinleevlog we can potentially do an episode on BajiXPigua.
Sifu Vincent Mei is amazing (which makes the matchup with the awesome Kevin Lee one of my happiest RUclips moments haha). Been watching his channel for a while now and he embodies the martial arts mindset my own master taught for so long of always learning, testing, and gaining deeper understanding with an open mind. I was super happy that he called out the huge similarities between Pigua and Tongbei. Question: I always understood "TongBei" as "through the back", meaning that the force and momentum of the arms should use the back as a conduit ("connecting the arms" as mentioned in the video), but I thought it also meant to connect them to the legs. In the minuscule amount of Tongbei I've done, we focused on connecting the legs to the torso through the back, and then moved on to connecting the arms from there. Does Pigua go in the opposite direction when learning?
happy and satisfied student and teacher. also, lets all just appreciate a king who hhas never missed leg day. ...also, "that" is clearly swampbending. obviously
Many thanks Gentlemen, what I appreciate is a non-destructive yet efficent way of getting rid of our opponent. May be some level differentiation could have halped more, what is for beginners, intermediate and advanced. Anyway, a good performance. Bets regards. Paul,69
Love your channel Mr. Lee! This bag motion is exactly what I watched yesterday in an iron palm video but they were doing it more from the shoulder. I'll try to do it on my bag with more of an arm raise.
Not sure if think of it as funny, but i do the recount of Ted Bagwell > I am 27 year old veretan slap fight. been slap foughter for over 35 year from 1962 until today. My docrot saying my bairn bad but I am feel healthy. Sometimes forgotting my name and when I am and why I'm talking too but shitting myself only twice pre day and can count to ten not only in forward but also in forward. My next slap fought is vs Jack "Daniels" McGavin on February 31st 2019. Wish me look. It a main event bout winnre get 200 dollar
Tons of ba gua in there..... Or tons of that in my masters ba gua ( he was also a massive tong bei man.. Shout out to Dr Linjun Wen!) Either way, i recognise so much of this and never heard of pigua! Another great video Kevin!
TBH all Kung fu is the same it just that styles specializes in aspects. You will see the same strikes or throws approached in different manners. There was a lot of travel and collaboration among Chinese martial artists. I practice two substyles of Northern praying mantis and after some research noticed a bit of Tongbei, Pigua, Bagua and Xing Yi mixed in what we do. It was just our way of doing it was more Mantis style. Whipping/Bludgeoning, Soft/Hard, Straight/Circular, Direct/Indiirect, Short rang/Long range are all aspects within cma that these styles like to pick and choose from to become what they are.
@@LunaticReason thats why a lot of styles did their training in secret or at least the specialised stuff, like the karate guys doing their crane tai chi stuff only behind closed doors
@@wutan_nj Do you have an idea what kind of Pi Gua the performer in the video did? Like what style branch? Or is it just like an isolated taolu inside baji?
I love seeing the applications of what might seem wacky removed from context. It's interesting how the more practical demonstrations I see from all different kinds of martial arts, the more similar they appear. They're all attempting to accomplish the same thing in different contexts, control, throwing off balance, etc.
Looks like another skilled practitioner living in the States. I wonder if there is more on the coasts. When I lived in Michigan there was no interest in Gongfu and I gave up teaching.
It's very cool to see traditional martial arts used in combination like this. I think in MMA circles people might dump on old forms without realizing different styles probably were designed to function in tandem and not as a singular practice. But since I don't practice any martial arts that's just the vibe I get and I probably am speaking out the side of my neck.
We practice a wudang 12th generation's piquazhang which looks very different from this using a lot of eye jabs to set-up throws as well as punching. Amazing art.
@ the other way around. Pigua was the oldest amongst the family of Pigua/Tongbei/Fanzi. Pigua came first then derived into Tongbei and Fanzi in the Qing dynasty.
So, I'm learning so much Chinese martial arts from your channel just today. I'm looking to the right and I'm seeing Bagua. I've seen a bit of Baji Quan from video games and in passing from other channels. So, I gotta ask: if there's Bagua, Baji, and Pigua, is there something like... Piji? Is that a martial art? If it is, what would that look like?
The Windmill Wushu movement... I had a fighter advance towards me while using it... except the hands were Hammerfists, continually raining Downwards. His arms were Massively Thick, and powered his entire moving body mass. They could have easily broken my arms / legs. I was trying to gauge if I could manage to sneak a strike, between each downwards hammerfist strike... but there was only about a half second between each hammerfist. As such, even If I managed to get a perfectly timed strike in... Id have been Clobbered by the next raining hammerfist... at the same exact time. I also knew that If I tried a lighting fast toe stabbing kick, he would have broken my leg with his forearm, before I could penetrate deep enough.. for the kick to have mattered. I was also shocked.. that he was able to keep advancing forwards, while performing these windmills (at the same time). Before I could even figure out a solution, I was being backed up towards the nearest wall. I completely disagree with certain statements this man has made: 1) He stated that you cant make power, with a short range / small distance "whip". This is totally wrong... and is seen in arts like Tai Chi, in the form of "Fajin" expression. Short whipping power, is the highest level of Impact skill, in the Chinese Arts. Even in Tai Chi... they start out by teaching very wide / large circular movements... but as you progress in skill levels... you make those circles smaller and smaller, tighter and tighter.. until the circular aspect is virtually invisible to the Eye / Spectator (where as, the circular movements, are mostly Internalized mechanisms). 2) That "power slaps", are not going to "End" the attacker. Trust me... if you have developed excellent Fajin expression... you only need about 2 inches of arm travel, to generate LETHAL impact potentials. As such... if you have a full arm swing worth of movement... you easily have the capability to END the attacker. This all goes down to your Training, and Mastery. Most especially, the impact training on the Iron Palm sandbag. He mentioned Beans... but Beans are the beginner level material to put into the Iron Palm bag. Eventually, you pack it tightly with Coarse Grain Beach Sand. You might also choose to eventually fill it with about 15 lbs worth of Metal BBs. For those that dont yet have access to an Iron Palm bag... you can use a thick softcover book, to start out with. Thick stacks of paper, have a slight shock absorbing quality.. before they compress, and become extremely hard / dense. This is very similar to how a sandbag works. The sand conforms to the shape of your knuckles... but right after that point.. becomes hard like a rock (compressed). This helps to protect your knuckle ridges, while gradually building up your bone and tissue densities. For Wing Chun punches, they tend to mount the sandbags to a solid wall. However, many Other Chinese arts... place the Iron Palm bag on a special Table, that is about hip height. This table, has extremely thick Legs (like a 4x4, for each leg) ,so that it can take maximum powered impacts, without any flexing, wobbling, nor breaking. The use of Chinese herbal "Dit Da Jow", is key in Iron Palm development. It prevents swelling of the hands/tissues... and heals + develops things, about 3x faster. Dont waste your money of Synthetic Jow... as it lacks the unique Compounds, and does not work for Beans (Ive tested it). You need the real Home-Made stuff... which is a lot of Organics, soaked in an Alcohol base, for at least 1 year worth of time. The longer the Aging / Extraction... the more Potent the effects. Jow that is too young, will be very Weak... and the benefits may not be enough to be noticed / effective. A good Jow, will remove all signs of swelling / injury, in less than 5 minutes flat. Anyway... at bare minimum, you Should easily be able to deliver Knockout level strikes, with your wristbone... Once you have mastered these methods, at maximum potentials. Also, remember that when these strikes land... they are not merely the mass of the Arm. They are impacting with nearly your entire body mass energy. Ever get hit by a +150 lb Pipe, moving at like 25 mph ?!
@@Dan0rioN When you have mastered short range, internal power... ANY kind of strike you do, can be Crippling / Lethal, and or merely Bone Breaking. If you do not think a Hammerfist is that bad... check out Glen Levy's Fajin Hammerfist videos: ruclips.net/video/eQZCvygXflQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Xc_It0MXvw0/видео.html I estimate that I used to have more than Double of what Glen is seen putting out here Your tools are only as good as how well you have "Sharpened" them (conditioned + fully mastered / maximized). Also, realize that the Windmill isnt merely for String with the hammerfists. The forearms, are also devastating / bone breaking. In fact, the forearms are the most likely to Intercept and destroy the Oppositions Limb / Attack.
@@Dan0rioN Either you are a Malignant Misandrist... or a Spineless Cuck Male Feminist... to be using the term "Mansplaining". Utterly Pathetic + Low IQ. Grow Up.
The Bajiquan guys need to train Pigua to prevent over rigidness. The Pigua guys train Baji to help gain structural power. So the proverbs aside, it is logical to train both.
Here are a few more Pigua videos that I have collected. Although a lot of its in Chinese. ruclips.net/video/cvnyGxm6RUo/видео.htmlsi=FgMkv9G4wOHtdn4Q ruclips.net/video/iLN7CB_EcA8/видео.html ruclips.net/video/6WWi0fkbcVc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/mW2U_uDb5TU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/j3sBqKn5dOw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/nANe72oXoR0/видео.html
So after experiencing all these different Chinese arts, is wing chun as effective as touted? Especially Wong Shun Leong "live fights challenge" Find it hard to believe wing chun could stand up against these including boxing and muay thai
What’s next?
Do northern praying mantis,it's a completely different martial art and has no connection to southern praying mantis
Xin yi Liu He quan
@@KevinLeeVlog try out a collab with Adam Chan!
Adam mizner tai chi
@@vinapare not just no but hell no
Man I just love these guys keeping the old disciplines alive and just how good they are when there's context. I also loved how you made the wrestling connection, it really shows that we humans are one big entity. Thanks very much for your dedication to learning and sharing, KL.
Thanks. Just to add that, it was not until the recent century that separated wrestling from striking. Kungfu for thousand years were all encompassing between striking, take downs and weapons blending.
It is all meaningless to me without context. I have never been one for doing endless forms without knowing the applications. Once you know the applications you can better visualize the form against an attacker.
@CanadaFree-ce9jn Is still good exercise without the application. Tai Chi application is great, but good luck finding a teacher that really knows what it is or is willing to speculate
Totally, SIfu Vincent is one of the only people out there that understood and taught the correct distance instead of just trying to get people to do western boxing with movements from their forms. When he teaches a form you really understand not just the movement, but your position in relation to the opponent.
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Never good at this form but I am glad I learned from Sifu Vincent. So much knowledge in one man
@@camiloiribarren1450 💯💯💯
Not an easy thing to master. Yet, using the mind & waist is a must to generate power, otherwise it is just limbs. First do the form slowly using the mind to teach the body, feel the motion.
I want to train with Sifu Vincent. My work hours ruin everything.
@@prfu1222 There's only the right time & place to train. Otherwise you will never get to be the best you can be. One can never stop learning in Gung Fu. Start with something more physical if you don't have the time, eg. boxing or Muay Thai.
@@MustAfaalik I love the comment. I have close to 30 years of Wing Chun already from the same lineage as Kevin. Respectfully I am a Sifu that is interested in learning another Chinese martial art. And Sifu Vincent teaches Baji which has always been an interest to me. But there class schedule does not match my career schedule. Family has to eat and house has to get paid. Priorities first I guess.
Thank you Sifus Mei & Kevin. My first time coming across Piqua. It is not for me with arthritis in both knees, but i appreciate the beauty & effectiveness of Piqua. Well done, keep it up!
Thank you!!
@@KevinLeeVlog Dear Mister Kevin,
Thank you for sharing with us such a wealth of Chinese Wisdom in Martial Arts.
I noticed that you reside in the United States; if you ever get the chance and it is not a great inconvenience for you, perhaps you could visit Boulder, Colorado, and try to prepare a video with Hiroshi Ikeda, Instructor of Aikido, who has a school there. I can assure you that he has made such a deep study of body mechanics in his particular art that you would be most impressed with what he teaches.
Cheers.
my taekwondo master who taught special forces in Vietnam taught little ground technique for the same reason. Get tied up on the ground you're dead. seen it, experienced it on the streets. beating 2 guys on the ground but that 3rd guy who jumped on my back bounced Mt head off the black top to unconsciousness. one on one you can go to the ground and do locks and chokes but the streets are rarely one on one.
even one on one going to the ground isnt advisable unless it is on a soft mat..and you know...u can break out from a hold with cheap actions that get sanctioned in a competitive setting
Vincent does a good job of describing what he does. Very clear explanations, clear examples of applications and tactics, combined with Bajiquan. The wheel lift was impressive. The only thing he didn't cover so much was the pain involved in training the hands. I know people use a kind of snake venom paste to heal the inflammation quicker, which, over time, also helps condition the hands. It's best not to hit the skull or other hard parts of the body. This pigua reminds me of hsing-I and the throws ba-gua. Maybe they were once related?
Lots of northern styles share some DNA or influenced one another. Pigua’s paida methods are the best. It’s very old school, the main thing we focus on are stationary palms like pai Shuai, wulong panda, etc., and 4 fighting lines, “pi, bao, zheng and kao.” Training like Xing Yi or tantui. This Pigua also has some special palm training methods - like using the dog skin. The forms are so short but they are so dense with good stuff.
Vincent did say it. He said practitioners have to train their hands with dit da jow (and he clarified a second time by calling it DDJ). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dit_da_jow
Mr. Lee, I always learn so much from your videos. Keep putting out this amazing content. Please explore Nei Gong next. I'd love to see some more of the internal arts here. You rock!
When Master Liu Yun Chow spoke of it from his teacher, Li ShuWen, he stated: PiGua Added to Baji, The Gods and the Ghosts would cry and howl…
I always liked that mentality,.....all of creation should howl and cry when you strike 💪👍🤙🤙🤙
2:17 funny enough, there was actually a style of boxing cooked up by some guy in the late 1800s who believed in literally throwing punches, as he thought that humans were more evolved to and more intuitively understood how to throw something than how to punch, and the motion would allow for unorthodox arcs of entry and a "whipping" power
Do you know his name? I would love to research his style of boxing.
I am interested as well. It is not the first time i have heard something similar.
He's correct, about the evolution/intuitive understanding of throwing.
A chimpanzee is way stronger than a human is... but a chimp can only hit like 20mph on a thrown rock, tops. The human motor cortex in such a way that we are much better at the important timings in throwing than any chimp can be.
Incidentally, Edwin Haislet in his manual of boxing in 1940 has this to say: "Hitting does not mean pushing. True hitting may be likened to a snap of a whip - all the energy is slowly concentrated and then suddenly released with a tremendous outpouring of power. Pushing is exactly the opposite, with concentrated force at the start of the blow and a subsequent loss of power as the arm leaves the body."
@@zetareticulan321 Sorry, I forgot. Think I found out about him through some pugilism channel, but not sure which one.
@@zetareticulan321 found him, Tommy Moore has a video about Diaz Style boxing.
Oh man, this style is perfect to mix with your double punch Kev! Great stuff!
ive done pigua and baji quan for a very long time, great to know vincent is spreading this info to more people.
Dude, how did you add links? 🤔
@marsbase3729 I'm sorry, what do you mean?
@KyeCreates yesterday "pigua" and "baji quan" were highlighted in blue with a little magnifying glass symbol next to them.
I've never seen them before, but today they're gone and the words are regular text. Super weird. I'm going to check Google about it. Maybe new you tube feature or something
@@marsbase3729 that's strange, seems like a cool feature for me to look into!
That was great. Boxing is kind of my thing, but I love learning the different styles.
boxing is a great go-to, everything else can add to it!
@@andrewanastasovski1609 I love boxing too! And I also like adding tricks from everyone I can learn from 😁😁
Excellent and I especially love the fluidity of the movements and the application of whipping power, thanks to you both 👍
More Sifu Mei, please! This is a treasure.
amazing video as always Kevin!!!
Xiaoyu from Tekken uses Pigua as one her styles
Another great lesson! I like how intelligent are your questions Kevin. Instead to lead the video, you give all the space to the guest. That's great!
And thanks a lot to Master Mei.
Kevin trying new styles is so cool because he already moves so good, he can pick up body methods really easy. It’s hard to believe he’s never done pigua before.
Piguaquan is underrated its often overshadowed by baji and tongbeiquan
Damn Kevin picked up the windmill arm thing really quick. That is something my sifu makes me do for our warmup and still cant do it properly. I will get it once in awhile but then lose it. I am jealous. Neat seeing the application.
Piqua is great I learned it with my Bajiquan training so good.
They go well together & contrary to belief you can make your Piqua more Yang & Bajiquan more Yin.
I like doing both explosively, remember Bajiquan is an Internal & External Martial Art 👍🤜🫷
When we used to warm up, it was Piqua, Tong bei, Baguazhang & of course Bajiquan.
Did you do Stone Hands as well? I know Stone Hands Xi Yang Quan is survived like Jin Gang Bashi in some Bajiquan Schools.
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Yes if your comment was directed at me there is Hsing Yi cross over in our school.
However I feel most of the hard external conditioning comes in the form of the Bajiquan pai Dai & Tui Na and tree striking conditioning 👍
Wow, who knew that Wushu technique could help escape the clinch! I’m always impressed with the depth of Chinese martial arts 😊!
Wushu means martial arts, bro
Right but wushu isnt a broad term for chinese martial arts its very specific to the sport of wushu.. but you are right and maybe a distinction should be made, i believe he was referring to modern wushu as opposed to traditional wushu@@jacobharris954
@@jacobharris954Oh yeah, I know. However, a lot of modern Wushu is very sport and aesthetics based. It looks flashy and beautiful, but I dare say many Wushu practitioners aren’t taught the real applications. Even Sifu Mei acknowledged this in the clip, how modern Wushu athletes who do the sport for 9 years suddenly realize their technique’s true purpose when they train with him. So yes who knew that Wushu technique could escape a clinch? Probably not a lot. And Sifu Mei shows how it’s used here. So cool!
Historically, modern Wushu was an attempt by Beijing under the CCP to come up with a standardised system, comprising mostly from the Northern style of martial arts. Many of them were similar in nature because of the inherent Longfist large stances and long arm reach, but their routines and training methods were distinct from each other.
However, the basic routines in Modern Wushu, the 5 stances routine （五步拳）, and the basic Tan Tui routine develops a solid foundation for Northern styles, which will make it easier for a practitioner to transit into the traditional schools.
@@BaiLong4511.30.
Wushu guys doing the wheel practice with lightning fast movement, and thought it's a practice for waist & shoulder.
One of my favourite styles - Thanks for sharing I do wing chun mainly and other styles including tiger, crane a little wushu and taiji as well as ba gua karate and kickboxing and always wanted to learn pigua so much
As seen here, many Bajiquan practitioners also practiced Piguazhang. These styles are so close people often refer to them together in a single phrase. It's actually rare to see people only learning Piguazhang, I think.
The "pi" movement doesn't seem too different from a rear overhand in boxing. I've found a lot of benefit employing the internal mechanics and visualisation techniques from kung fu while boxing. It's quite remarkable how speed, power, accuracy and stamina all improve when you learn to relax through the movements and drive from lower down.
Wow!! Is this northern style? Wipping is also used in tiger claw and similar, but I like the long Range action to later implement Shai jiau. It's fascinating to see so many similarities between kung fu styles. Very curious to learn this lineage!
I really like the flow of this. I can see how the long range of this style can be used to compliment the close range of Wing Chun. 🤔👍
It's interesting to see this kind of unfamiliar martial arts. I mean, if you haven't seen this and you fight someone who are using this, it will be confusing as hell. You're not familiar with their moves, whereas they're really familiar with your move, if you learned the more common martial arts.
That's how it should be my style should be alien to you but your style is nothing new to me
Man! this is so interesting, thank you again Gentlemen , great content
Cheng Hsin! Peter Ralston studied bagua, aikido, tai chi! Has several books, a couple dealing with internal martial arts training... Love your vids!
These swing punches,with forearm,palm ,sides of hand,seems peculiar to CMA. From what i heard,Buk Sing Choy Lee Fut are the best at it. I would love to see them more in depth.
I just can't say enough. How much I enjoy the show? Maybe.
It's just my lack of knowledge in Chinese arts. Did I find the information so captivating . I love these not very well-known martial arts.
Yep, I've seen that swinging arms Wushu technique many times, and I never thought of it as having an actual application led-alone application in the clench.
It would be very interesting to see you to interview that Wing Chum master (Tu tengyao)👊🙏
Epic! I would love to see a collab with a Jow Gar practitioner next. Also an underrated art.
That would be cool!
You should try to find a Bak Mei master
I love this style because I love aesthetic TMA
best collabs with you 2 masters :)
Can see certain similarities between this style and some local boxing styles from the Andean region of Peru and Bolivia.
This is my favorite Kung Fu videos you’ve made. I used to watch this soapy Wing Chun Series that had a Pigua practitioner. I was so inspired and mystified by his movements. So cool to see this explanation.
@@Jedi_Jed thank you!!!!
not a practitioner myself but i never realized just how important the waist was(is) in Pigua
Beautiful video Kevin I love your energy 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I learned about Wheel techniques very good demo!🙏👍
Thank you for another great video 🤩
amazing video! so much knowledge
Anyone learning this technique should combine it with the Iron Palm. One can imagine the blow. It could easily kill! 😄
He mentioned DDJ...the good stuff is difficult to get these days. 😢
That's what they do anyway....
@hpabla101 That's the quote from a Gung Fu film...
If there's a chance please ask him how a pigua and baji master would mix the two or if they use one style at the time because i pretty much only know the classic baji elbow but when he explained the parry with the overhand slap i could see that being either followed by the bajiquan elbow or the slap changes to the elbow so i think it would be interesting to see a mix of the styles, maybe if possible in a future video please, consider it as a suggestion.
Mixing piqua and baji is literally how a baji fighter fights. Actually Shifu Mei gave an example towards the end
@@Eri587 if you practice real baji you already have certain pigua movements in them, same applies to pigua and tongbei.
I did three seminars this year introducing the concept of mixing Bajiquan and Pigua Zhang. @kevinleevlog we can potentially do an episode on BajiXPigua.
Sifu Vincent Mei is amazing (which makes the matchup with the awesome Kevin Lee one of my happiest RUclips moments haha). Been watching his channel for a while now and he embodies the martial arts mindset my own master taught for so long of always learning, testing, and gaining deeper understanding with an open mind. I was super happy that he called out the huge similarities between Pigua and Tongbei. Question: I always understood "TongBei" as "through the back", meaning that the force and momentum of the arms should use the back as a conduit ("connecting the arms" as mentioned in the video), but I thought it also meant to connect them to the legs. In the minuscule amount of Tongbei I've done, we focused on connecting the legs to the torso through the back, and then moved on to connecting the arms from there. Does Pigua go in the opposite direction when learning?
Its cool how Chinese have a different word for different ways of moving and generating jing.
Interesting - looks like it would work with a lot of the setups for the overhand right in boxing.
Great video! I see a lot of similarities with the style of wudangquan I practice
Piguaquan is a great northern Chinese martial art style that can help improve your flexibility and power generation.
Actually does look really useful as compared to the more popular wing chun.
Literally heard about this style yesterday from Shenmue 2, then this shows up in my RUclips recommendations.
first time seeing an application for that "wheel" technique. nice.
Sifu's forearms are jacked fr
happy and satisfied student and teacher. also, lets all just appreciate a king who hhas never missed leg day.
...also, "that" is clearly swampbending. obviously
Reminded a lot on Wang Zhihai - 王志海 and Zhou Jing Xuan 周靖轩
Great job Kevin😊
Many thanks Gentlemen, what I appreciate is a non-destructive yet efficent way of getting rid of our opponent. May be some level differentiation could have halped more, what is for beginners, intermediate and advanced. Anyway, a good performance. Bets regards. Paul,69
Love your channel Mr. Lee! This bag motion is exactly what I watched yesterday in an iron palm video but they were doing it more from the shoulder. I'll try to do it on my bag with more of an arm raise.
With iron palm, those slaps can be devastating.
@@zetareticulan321 I can’t imagine!!!! 😳
@@KevinLeeVlog I've seen videos of people smashing coconuts with their palm. Imagine that on your ear. 😳
first thing that came to mind was UFC slapping contest, that looked already devastating to me
Not sure if think of it as funny, but i do the recount of Ted Bagwell >
I am 27 year old veretan slap fight. been slap foughter for over 35 year from 1962 until today. My docrot saying my bairn bad but I am feel healthy. Sometimes forgotting my name and when I am and why I'm talking too but shitting myself only twice pre day and can count to ten not only in forward but also in forward.
My next slap fought is vs Jack "Daniels" McGavin on February 31st 2019. Wish me look. It a main event bout winnre get 200 dollar
wrestling chops are known to be dangerous for health too, if not done correctly
I want to train with Sifu Vincent but my work hours prevent me at this time.
Great guy. So much knowledge... And thank YOU Kev for reviving Wushu in a proper manner
This is devastating
I love everything about this
another great episode tonight. Reminds me of muwashi uke
Fascinating to see the applications
That was really cool!
Lets see some Tong bei quan or Choy Ley fut next💪
Tons of ba gua in there.....
Or tons of that in my masters ba gua ( he was also a massive tong bei man.. Shout out to Dr Linjun Wen!) Either way, i recognise so much of this and never heard of pigua! Another great video Kevin!
TBH all Kung fu is the same it just that styles specializes in aspects. You will see the same strikes or throws approached in different manners. There was a lot of travel and collaboration among Chinese martial artists. I practice two substyles of Northern praying mantis and after some research noticed a bit of Tongbei, Pigua, Bagua and Xing Yi mixed in what we do. It was just our way of doing it was more Mantis style. Whipping/Bludgeoning, Soft/Hard, Straight/Circular, Direct/Indiirect, Short rang/Long range are all aspects within cma that these styles like to pick and choose from to become what they are.
Bagua is a fascinating style, but because it was one of the lastly created style, it has a lot of techniques from the other older styles implemented
@@LunaticReason thats why a lot of styles did their training in secret or at least the specialised stuff, like the karate guys doing their crane tai chi stuff only behind closed doors
@@wutan_nj Do you have an idea what kind of Pi Gua the performer in the video did? Like what style branch? Or is it just like an isolated taolu inside baji?
@ our Pigua Zhang traces back to Huang Linbiao黃林彪 of Cangzou, Hebei. Who my great grandmaster Li Shu Wen learned Pigua from.
I love seeing the applications of what might seem wacky removed from context. It's interesting how the more practical demonstrations I see from all different kinds of martial arts, the more similar they appear. They're all attempting to accomplish the same thing in different contexts, control, throwing off balance, etc.
A very interesting kung fu style
My wife is from Hubei so now i know even more than her about her native chinese province.
Looks like another skilled practitioner living in the States. I wonder if there is more on the coasts. When I lived in Michigan there was no interest in Gongfu and I gave up teaching.
It's very cool to see traditional martial arts used in combination like this. I think in MMA circles people might dump on old forms without realizing different styles probably were designed to function in tandem and not as a singular practice. But since I don't practice any martial arts that's just the vibe I get and I probably am speaking out the side of my neck.
I just checked your channel for a new vid like 20 minutes ago, now i see "54 seconds ago"
@@EQI264 thank you for watching!!
You was too quick 😂😂😂
We practice a wudang 12th generation's piquazhang which looks very different from this using a lot of eye jabs to set-up throws as well as punching. Amazing art.
Reminds of Tong Bei Quan
@@EliteBlackSash they are very similar!
Same family of martial arts
Thought the same.
If i am not wrong,Pigua is a substyle of Tongbei.
@ the other way around. Pigua was the oldest amongst the family of Pigua/Tongbei/Fanzi. Pigua came first then derived into Tongbei and Fanzi in the Qing dynasty.
so cool vidéo! Thank you!
Li Shu Wen made sure Pigua was always added to his Baji
Beautiful techniques
Would love to see all the traditional Chinese martial arts compete against each other in a tournament style event ala old school UFC
hotaru's fighting style in mortal kombat deception
13:51 Exactly what I was thinking! (I'm gonna get kicked out of class...) XD
Woah, i didn't think that a Yotutuber like you would covee this art!
@@jestfullgremblim8002 I try to stay open minded 😅😅
Cool stuff!!!!
Great stuff!
@@wrightskungfu thank you!!!
Amazing and beautiful 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Very nice thank you for sharing
Righteous!😮
Yeah, this is pretty awesome. Best ever.
Pretty interesting
So, I'm learning so much Chinese martial arts from your channel just today. I'm looking to the right and I'm seeing Bagua. I've seen a bit of Baji Quan from video games and in passing from other channels. So, I gotta ask: if there's Bagua, Baji, and Pigua, is there something like... Piji? Is that a martial art? If it is, what would that look like?
The Windmill Wushu movement... I had a fighter advance towards me while using it... except the hands were Hammerfists, continually raining Downwards. His arms were Massively Thick, and powered his entire moving body mass. They could have easily broken my arms / legs. I was trying to gauge if I could manage to sneak a strike, between each downwards hammerfist strike... but there was only about a half second between each hammerfist. As such, even If I managed to get a perfectly timed strike in... Id have been Clobbered by the next raining hammerfist... at the same exact time. I also knew that If I tried a lighting fast toe stabbing kick, he would have broken my leg with his forearm, before I could penetrate deep enough.. for the kick to have mattered.
I was also shocked.. that he was able to keep advancing forwards, while performing these windmills (at the same time). Before I could even figure out a solution, I was being backed up towards the nearest wall.
I completely disagree with certain statements this man has made:
1) He stated that you cant make power, with a short range / small distance "whip". This is totally wrong... and is seen in arts like Tai Chi, in the form of "Fajin" expression. Short whipping power, is the highest level of Impact skill, in the Chinese Arts. Even in Tai Chi... they start out by teaching very wide / large circular movements... but as you progress in skill levels... you make those circles smaller and smaller, tighter and tighter.. until the circular aspect is virtually invisible to the Eye / Spectator (where as, the circular movements, are mostly Internalized mechanisms).
2) That "power slaps", are not going to "End" the attacker. Trust me... if you have developed excellent Fajin expression... you only need about 2 inches of arm travel, to generate LETHAL impact potentials. As such... if you have a full arm swing worth of movement... you easily have the capability to END the attacker. This all goes down to your Training, and Mastery. Most especially, the impact training on the Iron Palm sandbag. He mentioned Beans... but Beans are the beginner level material to put into the Iron Palm bag. Eventually, you pack it tightly with Coarse Grain Beach Sand. You might also choose to eventually fill it with about 15 lbs worth of Metal BBs.
For those that dont yet have access to an Iron Palm bag... you can use a thick softcover book, to start out with. Thick stacks of paper, have a slight shock absorbing quality.. before they compress, and become extremely hard / dense. This is very similar to how a sandbag works. The sand conforms to the shape of your knuckles... but right after that point.. becomes hard like a rock (compressed). This helps to protect your knuckle ridges, while gradually building up your bone and tissue densities.
For Wing Chun punches, they tend to mount the sandbags to a solid wall. However, many Other Chinese arts... place the Iron Palm bag on a special Table, that is about hip height. This table, has extremely thick Legs (like a 4x4, for each leg) ,so that it can take maximum powered impacts, without any flexing, wobbling, nor breaking.
The use of Chinese herbal "Dit Da Jow", is key in Iron Palm development. It prevents swelling of the hands/tissues... and heals + develops things, about 3x faster.
Dont waste your money of Synthetic Jow... as it lacks the unique Compounds, and does not work for Beans (Ive tested it). You need the real Home-Made stuff... which is a lot of Organics, soaked in an Alcohol base, for at least 1 year worth of time. The longer the Aging / Extraction... the more Potent the effects. Jow that is too young, will be very Weak... and the benefits may not be enough to be noticed / effective. A good Jow, will remove all signs of swelling / injury, in less than 5 minutes flat.
Anyway... at bare minimum, you Should easily be able to deliver Knockout level strikes, with your wristbone... Once you have mastered these methods, at maximum potentials. Also, remember that when these strikes land... they are not merely the mass of the Arm. They are impacting with nearly your entire body mass energy. Ever get hit by a +150 lb Pipe, moving at like 25 mph ?!
Yes I figured out on my own how to use forward footwork with the windmill but hammerfists are over rated imo backhand/wrist & palm better
@@Dan0rioN When you have mastered short range, internal power... ANY kind of strike you do, can be Crippling / Lethal, and or merely Bone Breaking.
If you do not think a Hammerfist is that bad... check out Glen Levy's Fajin Hammerfist videos:
ruclips.net/video/eQZCvygXflQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/Xc_It0MXvw0/видео.html
I estimate that I used to have more than Double of what Glen is seen putting out here
Your tools are only as good as how well you have "Sharpened" them (conditioned + fully mastered / maximized).
Also, realize that the Windmill isnt merely for String with the hammerfists. The forearms, are also devastating / bone breaking. In fact, the forearms are the most likely to Intercept and destroy the Oppositions Limb / Attack.
@@johndough8115 No need to mansplain.. Hammerfists are dumb af.. Pinky knuckle is fragile
@@Dan0rioN Either you are a Malignant Misandrist... or a Spineless Cuck Male Feminist... to be using the term "Mansplaining". Utterly Pathetic + Low IQ. Grow Up.
So this guy...KNOW BOTH BAJI AND PIGUA?
Kevin, you NEED to speak about that old chinese proverb
There's a bit of both in both systems, so it's not that uncommon to see it.
The Bajiquan guys need to train Pigua to prevent over rigidness. The Pigua guys train Baji to help gain structural power. So the proverbs aside, it is logical to train both.
Any chance for showing us sparring using this technique?
That was great.
1 word.... WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Here are a few more Pigua videos that I have collected. Although a lot of its in Chinese.
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ruclips.net/video/6WWi0fkbcVc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/mW2U_uDb5TU/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/j3sBqKn5dOw/видео.html
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So after experiencing all these different Chinese arts, is wing chun as effective as touted? Especially Wong Shun Leong "live fights challenge" Find it hard to believe wing chun could stand up against these including boxing and muay thai
I would love to learn Piguaquan along with Bajiquan! Are there any online schools that teach both?