@@Obie327 this is one of my favourite cases to work with. So easy to build in it. Comes with ALL the fans you need + fan & RGB hub pre-installed. Super quiet. Dust filters. Looks good. I couldn't ask for more when building a PC. Well.. maybe just one thing. Upgrade that USB-C on the front panel from 3.1 to USB 4 for maximum data transfer speed so that I can use my fast portable SSD conveniently🙂
Nice build. I paired my 5800x (non 3d) and 32gb ram with a 4070 Ti Super. Do you think I'm bottlenecked a lot at 3440x1440? I play mostly AAA games on high/ultra settings. I think the 5800x is about 5% worse than the 14400 at gaming, but do my 2 extra cores help with a bottleneck?
@@mabackma7042 I use the same CPU with a 4070 Super. (PBO + curve/CL 14 memory) The Extra Cores, 4.85 gigahertz, And the 32 megs of cache do help keep us in the running. I'm perfectly content with the performance. If not, We can drop in a 5800X3D? I'm personally waiting for next gen Zen 5 or Intel to see a measurable performance increase. Happy Gaming! Cheers!
@@Obie327 Yeah my plan is also to wait for a few years and then upgrade everything, from motherboard to ddr5 to gpu. I'm happy with my current performance also. I was just wondering if I'm wasting any gpu performance, but I doubt it since I have an ultrawide monitor.
I would like to mention something importand that some people may not comprehend correctly. gpu utilization is not always a bottleneck indicator, either because the game can be unoptimized, or the drivers may not be stable yet. Also cpu and gpu in gaming they are not only working together but also seperatly. Take example the palworld, while you have 99% gpu utilization the fps count is lower than 14700k, and my guess is that a 7800x3d could do even better. There are also games that are cpu heavy, where even most powerful cpu's will strugle to perform even at highest settings like spiderman or microsoft flight simulator. On the other hand, the moment you lower graphics or resolution, you turn the weight on cpu, meaning that if u just want a system that will provide consistent 240fps, in case you are a pro player or something, then the star of your system should be your cpu and not your gpu. My point is that there are always will be bottlenecks on your system no matter what you run, and there will be always better cpu's gpu's that will give you a perfomance boost. what you should be aware is that while you play at 1080p or 1440p, you should run a gpu for gpu heavy games that will have atleast 90% gpu utilization(as a pair with your cpu), although anything above 95% is ideal. It is not about perfomance only, purchasing a very powerfull gpu that cpu cant handle at all can be a waste of money, while technically you could have about equal perfomance with an inferior card. To be fair though, if you just want better graphics and fps upgrading to a good gpu most of the times will be a good move, considering the perfomance boost and generally your gpu should be the star of your system(if u run high settings), if u can affort only one "good" piece. even if your pair is not ideal, like this pair on the video, your system can be a good perfomer as an example, especially comparing with the perfomance of your previews gpu(if u consider upgrading). Let me explain a 13500/14500 with a 4070 super VS 13400/14400 with 4070 ti S, will do worse in most scenarios, i can also imagine the same scenario even runnin the 14700k and 4070S, however for 240fps low settings i would recommend the i7 for this example. At the end of the day,considering you have a limited budget, look at what perfomance you are aiming for and the games you play, and get the best that you can and forget about minmax. Even way inferior modern systems can do great, just by tuning settings down. My english is not perfect, but hope you get the idea. thanks for the video, such information is very helpful,and nice system by the way
also for gaming consider that hyperthreading and E cores do not give you advantage at gaming(intel). what you should look for is how many physical cores you have, and clock boost. this is why amd cpu's do better at gaming, especially those with the 3d cache. However if u do productivity aswell, or heavy cpu workloads, intel can give u insane value, because there hyperthreading is working properly and you can take advantage of all your cores
Or just bump the resolution to 4k via dldsr or on native monitor which this card is capable of you will have no bottleneck at 4k I have a i5 13400f and I am going to pair it with rtx 4070 ti super
Sorry, but..what? I can see that GPU is not running at full speed, not taking full power, not even swatting, so it is bottle necked, or there is other issue? Locked FPS? Half V sync.
There is no Bottleneck here. i5 14400F is a powerfull chip perfectly capable to be paired with 4070ti,4070 super. You need to realize that GPU utilization doesnt need to be higher then 90%,especially at low resolutions,and it's also depends on the game. Framerates are all time high in every title except Cyberpunk,and this clearly shows that CPU is a good perfomer. If you can get steady and stable 60fps on your game then there is nothing to worry about,because 60fps is super fine,and pretty much a norm for smooth playing. Many people like to exaggerate things,so we get to the point where anything bellow 150fps is not acceptable,which is clearly stupid and make no sense. And yeah about Cyberpunk,ideal resolution is 1080p for this GPU if you wanna use Raytracing and ultra settings,system is not build for 4k resolution,or even 1440p on such high settings. On 1080p this machine would get 100fps plus on ultra settings+frame generation.
Your videos are just different. more proof that cpu does matter. i have the beast 14700k myself as well. with the same GPU. it's a killer combo. keep doing the amazing work!
Wow! Thank for the kind words🤝😀 I'm glad you like my videos. I'll definitely keep on posting and improving. Yeah, going into this I had much higher expectations for the i5 performance. I thought that cheap CPUs are extremely good nowadays. But it just shows how games keep evolving in line with CPU (as well as GPU) improvements.
right. i mean nowadays you need every other component than the GPU to be as good as possible to keep up with the GPU especially if it was a high end one. otherwise you're just creating bottlenecks @@theivadim
this is so weird i m using 4070ti super with i5 13400f and i m not having any bottlneck issue (once cpu went above 50% in cyberpunk with RT but no fps drop)
@@Mate2Palta I just picked up an i5 14400f + 4060 and wanted to upgrade the gpu but this video has me wondering if I should return the build, I got a really good deal.. You aren't running into any issues with that cpu and gpu?
@@xxx333mmm runs really well in all the games I play, luckily dlss exists. The 4060 is on par with the 3060 but runs lower power. I wouldn’t say it’s weak unless you are saying weak for the price. It’s an excellent mid range card. I have seen many benchmarks comparing it to other cards and yes it’s not worth $300 but it came with my build I got for cheaper than all the parts on Newegg and then some.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I appreciate you checking out my video.🤝🙂 I like this approach as well and I'll continue bringing you more content like it. Many vids are in the works.
The gpu usage drops quite a bit sometimes. Also, the gpu usage metric isn’t always the same per game. Sometimes you can have 90+ gpu usage but still get a big fps boost from a better cpu. You also have to keep in mind that high load situations will have massive fps drops compared to the more powerful processor.
I have my 13400f DDR4 3200 setup paired with a RX 7700 XT and play at 1440p. I think it's a nice balance. I play triple A titles and not e-sports. I wouldn't go much higher than the 7700 XT for this setup though. My RX 7800 XT is paired with a 5700X3D.
This is out of the box performance. I'll dig dipper and try tweaking the setup to get more performance out of the 14400. If there is performance improvement to be had then I'll make a video about sharing the method with the community.
From my rig, it's good enough. I can get most games in ultra or high at 1080p with consistent 80 fps. But 1440p would struggle a bit. But there is an upgrade path of getting a better gpu of 4070 or 4070super. Budget wise, it's a sweetspot. I upgrade from 7700hq with gtx1060. So its a good upgrade to last me another 8 years. Edit - sorry didn't answer your question. Like the video suggested, there will be some bottleneck in the 1440p and RT mode on. Even with a 4070.
The memory controller is also bottlenecks it. The 14th gen CPU has the best memory controller because the new NIVIDA drivers send the overflow workload to the RAM and at that point the RAM speed and CPU memory controller becomes very important to frame rate.
I'm working on my PC so I needed a better cpu and I chose 14600k, 32GB ddr5 and RTX4060. I wanted a RTX4070 but my budget was limited so I opted for the better cpu. I only have a 60Hz monitor and even it is a 32" 4k I can play Warzone in 4K at 85-90% settings. That little card works better than I expected. Before this card I had a RTX3070 but it died so...4060 works for me.
I'm disappointed that 60-80fps is considered poor, especially given that we now have variable refresh rate monitors which allow drops to 45fps and still look smooth visually. Consistent 60fps should be considered good. The only reason 100+ starts to look better is due to deficiencies in monitor technology (sample and hold).
I have this exact Graphics card, but with a 9700k, I am getting about 10FPS less than you in this video. So its interesting to think wether upgrading to a 14 series or waiting for the 15 series is a worthy endevour
The next generation is not around the corner. Many many months of waiting. I think that if you are not happy with the performance you have and have a desire to get a new CPU then there is little to no reason to wait. Yes, next-gen CPUs will be better. They always are, every generation. The main thing to keep in mind is that there won't be any ground breaking revolution. If we were getting a 2x improvement or something silly like that then I could understand why in some cases it would be better to wait for that upgrade. But that is not the case. So, don't feel like you'll be missing out on anything if you don't wait for the next generation.
Thanks for pointing this out. After an investigation I came to the same conclusion. Some scenes in Hogwarts Legacy are just broken. No matter if it's 14700K, 7800X3D or 14900K... However, i7 still unlocks more FPS than the i5.
Please, elaborate what you mean by "or this one". Are you referring to the 4070 TI SUPER + i5 14400 PC build featured in this video vs a 14600KF + 4060 Ti build?
Price difference between 14400 and 14600K isn't huge. And the 4070 Ti SUPER is MUCH more powerful than 4060 Ti. I'd recommend expanding your budget to pair the 4070 Ti SUPER with 14600K or 13600K (they're pretty much the same CPU).
Hi, building my very 1st PC build for gaming, streaming, YT, video editing, work etc. I like the 4070 TI Super and I also want to buy a 1440p monitor. Is it okay to pair it with an i5 13600k? Or go for an i5 14600k? or should I go i7?
13600K is OK. Very little difference vs the 14600K. So, if the 13600K is significantly cheaper then I'd go for that. An i7 is nice to have but not necessary.
That would be interesting to compare. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to do it at the moment. But you liking and commenting, making suggestions like you did, will improve my channel's performance and will indicate to any future PC hardware partners that there's interest in this kind of content. Which in turn will allow me to get my hands on more things to test and compare. My curiosity knows no limits. That's why I love doing this🙂
I was curious about these Intel i5's and now see the CPU limitation with the Ti Super. I was kinda surprised and thought the CPU would do better? Anything above 50% utilization is definitely CPU bound. Thanks for showing this setup up iVadim.
@@Haddley333 there's also 4 E-cores on this thing. That is a part of that 100% as well. But those E-cores are no help in games. You can see individual P-cores load as well in this video. I think the main problem with this i5 is the low frequency. It's holding just 4.1 GHz.
@@theivadim I do wonder if the motherboard could be holding things back? Maybe try some bench marks like Pass Mark performance test or others to see if all is humming optimally? Good luck and looking forward to the next test. Cheers!
@@Haddley333 Anything above 50 percent then falls on the hyper threading portion of the CPU. Becomes burdened more and could be why the performance is slipping off.
Peoppe just don't understand bottlenecks. Everyone thinks they never have bottlnecking and throw budget cpus or old cpus on and think oh I don't have one lol. It's sickening how lacking people are on knowledge about bottlenecks.
If you play 4k, not even a fast 6th gen will bottleneck even a 4090. But yeah, these new gen lower end cpus, because they have the ipc, no longer bottleneck shit on 4k. Maybe with rtx 5000 series. Still don't think so tho.
Wait a couple of weeks and get the newest 14 gen Intel CPU as it has a native 6.2ghz clock speed and the best memory controller. If you don't to run it at its native clock that's OK, get it anyway because they saved the best silicone for last and it will be better batched than all the other 14 gen. It's memory controller is also upgraded from 13th gen and that's important because NIVIDA drivers send overflow workload to system RAM. So since you are already getting a NIVIDA card then get some fast RAM and the INTEL CPU for the memory controller and good silicone if nothing else. By the way by fastest RAM you can pretty much ignore the CL rating, 40 is fine, it's an outdated metric. For instance my RAM is 8200mhz as that's the fastest my MB supports and I got 64 GB of it at 40 CL, but always get the max speed your MB supports for future proofing as games are using the RAM more now than before due to DDR5 speeds. If I were you and wanted to get at least 48 GB but whatever amount you go with make sure it's the fastest your board supports especially with an NIVIDA card.
@@MeMyself-gf7fn thing is intel is going to come out with the 15th gen cpus this year i believe or early next year and thing is it wont be compatible with current motherboards so future proofing with the intel one its bad i ll upgrade to 32gb ddr5 ram anyways. Anyways if i get the intel one then ll miss out on the new 15th gen that comes out and then i ll have to get a new motherboard again hopefully no new ram the new cpu probably a new psu also.
How about this Customised Gaming PC i9-14900KF Processor, Asus Z790-P Wifi MB, 32GB RAM DDR5, 2TB SSD NVME Gen4, Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070Ti Super VGA, DeepCool Gammaxx L360 Liquid, 850 WATT PSU Gold, NZXT H6 Flow RGB Case Black, Win 11 Pro License with 2k screen 240hz-300hz Im confused about the monitor which one is better for this any recommendations ?
Yeah, I prefer to enjoy Helldivers and single player games on a large screen. So, 32-inch 4K would be my choice. Thanks to DLSS resolution upscaling the 4070 Ti SUPER can run any game on a 4K screen. As a matter of fact, I have a 4070 Ti SUPER in my PC right now. It's a great experience.
Just get the best graphics card you can. Don’t worry about bottleneck. It’s different for every game and depends on the resolution you run. If you play the latest graphics intensive games then GPU is more important. RTX 4060 is a decent option if your budget is around $300.
By then the next generation of Ryzen CPUs should be either out or just around the corner. Intel’s new stuff is also coming at some point this year. Some new GPUs are also expected in Q4 2024. So, wouldn’t worry about planning with current PC parts in mind.
@@theivadimIm going to order a pc in 1/2 weeks for AC (mainly vr) and concluded a 4070 super is a minimum to play this game at decent settings/fps. I decided to go the 4070ti super way because of feature proofing with 16gb vram. What is the best budget cpu to pair it with? I’m thinking about the 7600 to use the am5 platform later, but what is the best cpu in the 200/250$ range? are they all bottleneck class prices?
i have a i7 12700kf with 4070 ti but get bad frames on most games 100 in fortnite all low settings , would upgrading my ddr4 16 gb ram to 32 ddr5 fix this?
I am planning to make a pc in a week how about Ryzen 5 7500F along with 4070 super what do you think about this combo ??? Will it bottleneck as I am on a little tight budget which processor do you recommend for 4070 super
You should be OK with the 7500F for now. You can always upgrade in the future because AM5 motherboards will be supported for a while. Of course, don't expect top tier performance at this price point. But at least you'll be able to run games on higher graphics settings and enjoy them thanks to the 4070 SUPER.👍
Just to elaborate: your plan is good if you mainly play AAA games that are GPU demanding. If you want to play competitive games and you value high FPS then it is best to pick a faster CPU instead of a better GPU. I hope this helps you make a decision. Just ask if you have any questions.🙂
Nice question! I actually have a 7500F that I originally purchased last September as a "placeholder" for a new AM5 motherboard build -- paired with a 4080 -- and it's been working great so far. (I'm running at 1440p or higher resolutions with unlocked frame rates when possible, up to 144Hz. I also use 6000 Mhz DDR5 -- which is supposed to be the "sweet spot" in price/performance for Zen 4 RAM.) The 7500F has been a sizable and noticeable upgrade over the power-limited 5800X that I had been using with the 4080. (I was power-limiting the 5800X because it was running a little too hot -- and loud -- for my taste.) I've been realizing that the 7500F should serve me well until the mythical 9800X3D or 10800X3D comes along (with Zen 5 or Zen 6). Honestly, a future "9500F" or "10500F" might even be enough, depending on how demanding games become (and especially if AMD adds more cores to future iterations of their x500 and x600 series CPUs). Comparisons from Hardware Unboxed showed that the 7500F and 7600 are almost identical performance in gaming to the 5800X3D (on average).
In some scenarios - yes. I've tested it with the i7 in these two videos: 1440p - ruclips.net/video/Q1jnYXxnteU/видео.html 4K - ruclips.net/video/M77kJu3g-xI/видео.html
Please need help, i have a gift b660 and ddr4 3200mhz 16gb ram, so what to get between 12600kf and 4070ti super or the 14700f and 4070 super, the two combos are for the same price in my country 🤔🙏
One more thing I'd like to suggest. Have a look at the 13600K or 14600K (and KF) prices. The 4070 Ti SUPER can really take advantage of a better CPU. Those CPUs might be within your budget as they've seen some discounts in many parts of the world. And they are pretty much the same CPU but both are faster than the 12600KF. Just keep in mind that they are still just 6-10% better than the 12600KF on average. So, not a huge deal. Factor that in when comparing the prices and making a decision.
@@theivadim is the 12700k comparable to the 13600k ? 12600k for $150, 12700k for $200, 13600k and 14600k for $300 . my budget is very limited, if i get a better cpu a have to get the 4070 super non ti and maybe upgrade later to a 5070 🤔
In that case, I'd go for 12600K (or KF if you don't need integrated graphics). It's definitely not worth it spending 2x more on a 13/14600K. The performance difference is not significant. Keep that money and save, invest, or spend it on something fun that isn't a CPU🙂
I suspect that it will in some games and scenarios. But you'll have to find someone testing it to know for sure if the 7600X is the right choice for your particular needs. I haven't touched the 7600X yet. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to do that at some point in the future as the channel grows.🙂 Thank you for checking out my video.🤝 Every view, comment, like and sub gets me closer to that opportunity.
@@theivadim Thanks for the reply bro! You are doing a great job! Honestly already built a pc with 7600x and 4070ti super for 1440p content mostly and 32 gb ram...after watching your video feeling worried it might not be enough...
If you've been enjoying it so far then it's enough🙂 But if you want to make sure then just check your GPU utilisation when you play the games you like. If it's 95-100% then your CPU is doing a good job. To do that just press Alt+Z to when you're in game to bring up NVIDIA in-game app. There you'll find Performance overlay options. Choose advanced option to get more info. Once you've setup it up use Alt+R when you're in game to display that overlay. Or just find a step by step guide on RUclips. I'm sure it'll do a better job explaining how to set this up than I did here😀
One more thing. Check out the 13600K. If it is much cheaper than the 14600K then I'd consider getting that instead as there is very little performance difference between the two. They are built on the same architecture.
Clean build i just feel like the 4070ti super are overpriced for a 1440p GPU, and the name sounds like a child made it up! That cpu is garbage suprised it bottlenecks the GPU. It's kind of sad we have to use all this trickery DLSS, frame gen, just to get a game to run correctly.
I agree, GPUs are not cheap right now. But the market is still in a better state than it was last year. But I am looking forward to future improvements. Also, 1440p gaming is enjoyable with a 4070 SUPER at $600. No need for the Ti🙂 It's just nice to have for the high refresh rate experience.
you should really give it away to me my stepdad broke my laptop because i defended my mom in an argument im 14 and i really want to game thanks if you would give it away to me
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What do you think about this PC build?🙂
Very clean and professional looking. I personally like that case.
@@Obie327 this is one of my favourite cases to work with. So easy to build in it. Comes with ALL the fans you need + fan & RGB hub pre-installed. Super quiet. Dust filters. Looks good. I couldn't ask for more when building a PC. Well.. maybe just one thing. Upgrade that USB-C on the front panel from 3.1 to USB 4 for maximum data transfer speed so that I can use my fast portable SSD conveniently🙂
Nice build. I paired my 5800x (non 3d) and 32gb ram with a 4070 Ti Super. Do you think I'm bottlenecked a lot at 3440x1440? I play mostly AAA games on high/ultra settings. I think the 5800x is about 5% worse than the 14400 at gaming, but do my 2 extra cores help with a bottleneck?
@@mabackma7042 I use the same CPU with a 4070 Super. (PBO + curve/CL 14 memory) The Extra Cores, 4.85 gigahertz, And the 32 megs of cache do help keep us in the running. I'm perfectly content with the performance. If not, We can drop in a 5800X3D? I'm personally waiting for next gen Zen 5 or Intel to see a measurable performance increase. Happy Gaming! Cheers!
@@Obie327 Yeah my plan is also to wait for a few years and then upgrade everything, from motherboard to ddr5 to gpu. I'm happy with my current performance also. I was just wondering if I'm wasting any gpu performance, but I doubt it since I have an ultrawide monitor.
I would like to mention something importand that some people may not comprehend correctly.
gpu utilization is not always a bottleneck indicator, either because the game can be unoptimized, or the drivers may not be stable yet.
Also cpu and gpu in gaming they are not only working together but also seperatly.
Take example the palworld, while you have 99% gpu utilization the fps count is lower than 14700k, and my guess is that a 7800x3d could do even better.
There are also games that are cpu heavy, where even most powerful cpu's will strugle to perform even at highest settings like spiderman or microsoft flight simulator.
On the other hand, the moment you lower graphics or resolution, you turn the weight on cpu, meaning that if u just want a system that will provide consistent 240fps, in case you are a pro player or something, then the star of your system should be your cpu and not your gpu.
My point is that there are always will be bottlenecks on your system no matter what you run, and there will be always better cpu's gpu's that will give you a perfomance boost.
what you should be aware is that while you play at 1080p or 1440p, you should run a gpu for gpu heavy games that will have atleast 90% gpu utilization(as a pair with your cpu), although anything above 95% is ideal.
It is not about perfomance only, purchasing a very powerfull gpu that cpu cant handle at all can be a waste of money, while technically you could have about equal perfomance with an inferior card.
To be fair though, if you just want better graphics and fps upgrading to a good gpu most of the times will be a good move, considering the perfomance boost and generally your gpu should be the star of your system(if u run high settings), if u can affort only one "good" piece.
even if your pair is not ideal, like this pair on the video, your system can be a good perfomer as an example, especially comparing with the perfomance of your previews gpu(if u consider upgrading).
Let me explain a 13500/14500 with a 4070 super VS 13400/14400 with 4070 ti S, will do worse in most scenarios, i can also imagine the same scenario even runnin the 14700k and 4070S, however for 240fps low settings i would recommend the i7 for this example.
At the end of the day,considering you have a limited budget, look at what perfomance you are aiming for and the games you play, and get the best that you can and forget about minmax.
Even way inferior modern systems can do great, just by tuning settings down.
My english is not perfect, but hope you get the idea. thanks for the video, such information is very helpful,and nice system by the way
also for gaming consider that hyperthreading and E cores do not give you advantage at gaming(intel).
what you should look for is how many physical cores you have, and clock boost. this is why amd cpu's do better at gaming, especially those with the 3d cache.
However if u do productivity aswell, or heavy cpu workloads, intel can give u insane value, because there hyperthreading is working properly and you can take advantage of all your cores
Hey man I have an i510400 from on old pc can i pair it with a 3070@@22louki
@@biushee9450 it is ok
Or just bump the resolution to 4k via dldsr or on native monitor which this card is capable of you will have no bottleneck at 4k I have a i5 13400f and I am going to pair it with rtx 4070 ti super
Sorry, but..what? I can see that GPU is not running at full speed, not taking full power, not even swatting, so it is bottle necked, or there is other issue? Locked FPS? Half V sync.
There is no Bottleneck here.
i5 14400F is a powerfull chip perfectly capable to be paired with 4070ti,4070 super.
You need to realize that GPU utilization doesnt need to be higher then 90%,especially at low resolutions,and it's also depends on the game.
Framerates are all time high in every title except Cyberpunk,and this clearly shows that CPU is a good perfomer.
If you can get steady and stable 60fps on your game then there is nothing to worry about,because 60fps is super fine,and pretty much a norm for smooth playing.
Many people like to exaggerate things,so we get to the point where anything bellow 150fps is not acceptable,which is clearly stupid and make no sense.
And yeah about Cyberpunk,ideal resolution is 1080p for this GPU if you wanna use Raytracing and ultra settings,system is not build for 4k resolution,or even 1440p on such high settings.
On 1080p this machine would get 100fps plus on ultra settings+frame generation.
Your videos are just different. more proof that cpu does matter. i have the beast 14700k myself as well. with the same GPU. it's a killer combo. keep doing the amazing work!
Wow! Thank for the kind words🤝😀 I'm glad you like my videos. I'll definitely keep on posting and improving.
Yeah, going into this I had much higher expectations for the i5 performance. I thought that cheap CPUs are extremely good nowadays. But it just shows how games keep evolving in line with CPU (as well as GPU) improvements.
right. i mean nowadays you need every other component than the GPU to be as good as possible to keep up with the GPU especially if it was a high end one. otherwise you're just creating bottlenecks @@theivadim
this is so weird i m using 4070ti super with i5 13400f and i m not having any bottlneck issue (once cpu went above 50% in cyberpunk with RT but no fps drop)
U are good,dont listen to this guy lol. U dont need high-end cpu for gaming. Specially in 2k or 4k, bottleneck is not ur concern.
Same man, I have i5 14400f and Rtx 4070 super playing in 1440p and no issues
@@Mate2Palta I just picked up an i5 14400f + 4060 and wanted to upgrade the gpu but this video has me wondering if I should return the build, I got a really good deal.. You aren't running into any issues with that cpu and gpu?
4060 is crap very weak @@vexun11
@@xxx333mmm runs really well in all the games I play, luckily dlss exists. The 4060 is on par with the 3060 but runs lower power. I wouldn’t say it’s weak unless you are saying weak for the price. It’s an excellent mid range card. I have seen many benchmarks comparing it to other cards and yes it’s not worth $300 but it came with my build I got for cheaper than all the parts on Newegg and then some.
Loving the hands on testing. Best use case scenarios that are well grounded.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I appreciate you checking out my video.🤝🙂
I like this approach as well and I'll continue bringing you more content like it. Many vids are in the works.
Why you said bottleneck in pal wolrd when the gpu was utilized around 98% and cpu less than 50%?
what pal world
The gpu usage drops quite a bit sometimes. Also, the gpu usage metric isn’t always the same per game. Sometimes you can have 90+ gpu usage but still get a big fps boost from a better cpu. You also have to keep in mind that high load situations will have massive fps drops compared to the more powerful processor.
@@t7274 ohh 😯😯
I have my 13400f DDR4 3200 setup paired with a RX 7700 XT and play at 1440p. I think it's a nice balance. I play triple A titles and not e-sports. I wouldn't go much higher than the 7700 XT for this setup though. My RX 7800 XT is paired with a 5700X3D.
Weird how the i5 did not boost to its max boost frequency of 4.7 Ghz. Even locked intel cpu's can still maintain their max frequency constantly.
This is out of the box performance. I'll dig dipper and try tweaking the setup to get more performance out of the 14400. If there is performance improvement to be had then I'll make a video about sharing the method with the community.
Is i5 14400F ok with 4070? Currently have the same CPU with 4060? is that ok too? Thanks!
From my rig, it's good enough. I can get most games in ultra or high at 1080p with consistent 80 fps. But 1440p would struggle a bit. But there is an upgrade path of getting a better gpu of 4070 or 4070super. Budget wise, it's a sweetspot.
I upgrade from 7700hq with gtx1060. So its a good upgrade to last me another 8 years.
Edit - sorry didn't answer your question. Like the video suggested, there will be some bottleneck in the 1440p and RT mode on. Even with a 4070.
The memory controller is also bottlenecks it. The 14th gen CPU has the best memory controller because the new NIVIDA drivers send the overflow workload to the RAM and at that point the RAM speed and CPU memory controller becomes very important to frame rate.
I'm working on my PC so I needed a better cpu and I chose 14600k, 32GB ddr5 and RTX4060. I wanted a RTX4070 but my budget was limited so I opted for the better cpu. I only have a 60Hz monitor and even it is a 32" 4k I can play Warzone in 4K at 85-90% settings. That little card works better than I expected. Before this card I had a RTX3070 but it died so...4060 works for me.
That's cool. Work should always come first. Respect👊
Did you notice a downgrade from the RTX 3070?
@@theivadimnewer isn’t always a downgrade 👍
I'm disappointed that 60-80fps is considered poor, especially given that we now have variable refresh rate monitors which allow drops to 45fps and still look smooth visually. Consistent 60fps should be considered good. The only reason 100+ starts to look better is due to deficiencies in monitor technology (sample and hold).
is ther any bottle neck in i9 14900kf and 4070 ti super with 2k screen resolution ??
I have this exact Graphics card, but with a 9700k, I am getting about 10FPS less than you in this video. So its interesting to think wether upgrading to a 14 series or waiting for the 15 series is a worthy endevour
The next generation is not around the corner. Many many months of waiting. I think that if you are not happy with the performance you have and have a desire to get a new CPU then there is little to no reason to wait. Yes, next-gen CPUs will be better. They always are, every generation. The main thing to keep in mind is that there won't be any ground breaking revolution. If we were getting a 2x improvement or something silly like that then I could understand why in some cases it would be better to wait for that upgrade. But that is not the case. So, don't feel like you'll be missing out on anything if you don't wait for the next generation.
in hogwarts legacy no cpu can give you constant 60+ fps with smooth frametime you will dips 1% lows bellow 60 fps
Thanks for pointing this out. After an investigation I came to the same conclusion. Some scenes in Hogwarts Legacy are just broken. No matter if it's 14700K, 7800X3D or 14900K... However, i7 still unlocks more FPS than the i5.
Can you plz do more 4k tests with this exact combo 🙏
Unfortunately, I don't have the 4070 Ti SUPER anymore and I'm not sure if and when I'll be able to get my hands on one again.
14600kf + 4060 ti 16gb or this one? for rendering and gaming.
Please, elaborate what you mean by "or this one". Are you referring to the 4070 TI SUPER + i5 14400 PC build featured in this video vs a 14600KF + 4060 Ti build?
@@theivadim yess
Price difference between 14400 and 14600K isn't huge. And the 4070 Ti SUPER is MUCH more powerful than 4060 Ti. I'd recommend expanding your budget to pair the 4070 Ti SUPER with 14600K or 13600K (they're pretty much the same CPU).
Hi, building my very 1st PC build for gaming, streaming, YT, video editing, work etc. I like the 4070 TI Super and I also want to buy a 1440p monitor. Is it okay to pair it with an i5 13600k? Or go for an i5 14600k? or should I go i7?
13600K is OK. Very little difference vs the 14600K. So, if the 13600K is significantly cheaper then I'd go for that. An i7 is nice to have but not necessary.
I hope you'll have fun building your first PC🤝🙂
@@theivadim thanks for the recommendation!
13600 is best buget cpu from intel .
4060ti is best buget gpu . for 1080p .
silence is not my top priority . buget is .
You have 14700k? How is this cpu doing with DDR4? I think many upgraders wanna see how is it doing?
That would be interesting to compare. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to do it at the moment. But you liking and commenting, making suggestions like you did, will improve my channel's performance and will indicate to any future PC hardware partners that there's interest in this kind of content. Which in turn will allow me to get my hands on more things to test and compare. My curiosity knows no limits. That's why I love doing this🙂
I was curious about these Intel i5's and now see the CPU limitation with the Ti Super. I was kinda surprised and thought the CPU would do better? Anything above 50% utilization is definitely CPU bound. Thanks for showing this setup up iVadim.
Above 50 percent? Sounds low
Honestly, going into this project I also was expecting the 14400 to do better than this. I'll test it with 4070 SUPER next.
@@Haddley333 there's also 4 E-cores on this thing. That is a part of that 100% as well. But those E-cores are no help in games. You can see individual P-cores load as well in this video. I think the main problem with this i5 is the low frequency. It's holding just 4.1 GHz.
@@theivadim I do wonder if the motherboard could be holding things back? Maybe try some bench marks like Pass Mark performance test or others to see if all is humming optimally? Good luck and looking forward to the next test. Cheers!
@@Haddley333 Anything above 50 percent then falls on the hyper threading portion of the CPU. Becomes burdened more and could be why the performance is slipping off.
Peoppe just don't understand bottlenecks. Everyone thinks they never have bottlnecking and throw budget cpus or old cpus on and think oh I don't have one lol. It's sickening how lacking people are on knowledge about bottlenecks.
If you play 4k, not even a fast 6th gen will bottleneck even a 4090. But yeah, these new gen lower end cpus, because they have the ipc, no longer bottleneck shit on 4k. Maybe with rtx 5000 series. Still don't think so tho.
i7 14th gen or ryzen 7 7800x3d? Am a student gamer and play on 1440p
If it’s for gaming only then 7800X3D. For great professional and gaming mixed experience the i7 is better in most cases because it has more cores.
Wait a couple of weeks and get the newest 14 gen Intel CPU as it has a native 6.2ghz clock speed and the best memory controller. If you don't to run it at its native clock that's OK, get it anyway because they saved the best silicone for last and it will be better batched than all the other 14 gen. It's memory controller is also upgraded from 13th gen and that's important because NIVIDA drivers send overflow workload to system RAM. So since you are already getting a NIVIDA card then get some fast RAM and the INTEL CPU for the memory controller and good silicone if nothing else. By the way by fastest RAM you can pretty much ignore the CL rating, 40 is fine, it's an outdated metric. For instance my RAM is 8200mhz as that's the fastest my MB supports and I got 64 GB of it at 40 CL, but always get the max speed your MB supports for future proofing as games are using the RAM more now than before due to DDR5 speeds. If I were you and wanted to get at least 48 GB but whatever amount you go with make sure it's the fastest your board supports especially with an NIVIDA card.
@@MeMyself-gf7fn thing is intel is going to come out with the 15th gen cpus this year i believe or early next year and thing is it wont be compatible with current motherboards so future proofing with the intel one its bad i ll upgrade to 32gb ddr5 ram anyways. Anyways if i get the intel one then ll miss out on the new 15th gen that comes out and then i ll have to get a new motherboard again hopefully no new ram the new cpu probably a new psu also.
How about this
Customised Gaming PC i9-14900KF Processor, Asus Z790-P Wifi MB, 32GB RAM DDR5, 2TB SSD NVME Gen4, Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070Ti Super VGA, DeepCool Gammaxx L360 Liquid, 850 WATT PSU Gold, NZXT H6 Flow RGB Case Black, Win 11 Pro License with 2k screen 240hz-300hz
Im confused about the monitor which one is better for this
any recommendations ?
Depends on the type of games you play. Personally, I'd buy a 4K 32-inch monitor with such a PC.
@@theivadim most of my all games single player offline - i play only apex legends and Helldivers 2 as shooting online games
Yeah, I prefer to enjoy Helldivers and single player games on a large screen. So, 32-inch 4K would be my choice. Thanks to DLSS resolution upscaling the 4070 Ti SUPER can run any game on a 4K screen. As a matter of fact, I have a 4070 Ti SUPER in my PC right now. It's a great experience.
@@theivadim alright then ty bro have a good day ❤️🌹
With 4070S, GPU utilization will not running 99 ℅ in 1080 or 2K, but will run 99 ℅ in 4K. Whatever r cpu.
I want to know which nvidia gpu is perfect for i5 11400 without bottleneck. (Please recommend modern gen cards like 30 & 40 series only)
Just get the best graphics card you can. Don’t worry about bottleneck. It’s different for every game and depends on the resolution you run. If you play the latest graphics intensive games then GPU is more important. RTX 4060 is a decent option if your budget is around $300.
can i pair it with ryzen 7 7700
With an rtx 4070 and Ryzen 7600x will I have a bottleneck on fullhd?
In some games - probably. But I wouldn't worry about it. It's a good CPU+GPU pair👍
im thinking of doing my first build after im done with uni that'll be some point in sep/oct, should do i a build with i5 14400f or 7600?
By then the next generation of Ryzen CPUs should be either out or just around the corner. Intel’s new stuff is also coming at some point this year. Some new GPUs are also expected in Q4 2024. So, wouldn’t worry about planning with current PC parts in mind.
@@theivadimIm going to order a pc in 1/2 weeks for AC (mainly vr) and concluded a 4070 super is a minimum to play this game at decent settings/fps. I decided to go the 4070ti super way because of feature proofing with 16gb vram. What is the best budget cpu to pair it with? I’m thinking about the 7600 to use the am5 platform later, but what is the best cpu in the 200/250$ range? are they all bottleneck class prices?
i have a i7 12700kf with 4070 ti but get bad frames on most games 100 in fortnite all low settings , would upgrading my ddr4 16 gb ram to 32 ddr5 fix this?
If you want many frames in competitive games then get the fastest CPU and RAM you can.
I am planning to make a pc in a week how about Ryzen 5 7500F along with 4070 super what do you think about this combo ??? Will it bottleneck as I am on a little tight budget which processor do you recommend for 4070 super
Good combo. 7800X3D would be better of course, it would give like 20fps more in most games in 1440p.
You should be OK with the 7500F for now. You can always upgrade in the future because AM5 motherboards will be supported for a while. Of course, don't expect top tier performance at this price point. But at least you'll be able to run games on higher graphics settings and enjoy them thanks to the 4070 SUPER.👍
Just to elaborate: your plan is good if you mainly play AAA games that are GPU demanding. If you want to play competitive games and you value high FPS then it is best to pick a faster CPU instead of a better GPU. I hope this helps you make a decision. Just ask if you have any questions.🙂
Nice question! I actually have a 7500F that I originally purchased last September as a "placeholder" for a new AM5 motherboard build -- paired with a 4080 -- and it's been working great so far. (I'm running at 1440p or higher resolutions with unlocked frame rates when possible, up to 144Hz. I also use 6000 Mhz DDR5 -- which is supposed to be the "sweet spot" in price/performance for Zen 4 RAM.) The 7500F has been a sizable and noticeable upgrade over the power-limited 5800X that I had been using with the 4080. (I was power-limiting the 5800X because it was running a little too hot -- and loud -- for my taste.)
I've been realizing that the 7500F should serve me well until the mythical 9800X3D or 10800X3D comes along (with Zen 5 or Zen 6). Honestly, a future "9500F" or "10500F" might even be enough, depending on how demanding games become (and especially if AMD adds more cores to future iterations of their x500 and x600 series CPUs). Comparisons from Hardware Unboxed showed that the 7500F and 7600 are almost identical performance in gaming to the 5800X3D (on average).
Don't buy a 12 GB GPU in 2024 as it will be unusable in 18 months get a used 6800xt or 2080ti.
Would i5-14700KF and 4070ti Super perform better?
In some scenarios - yes. I've tested it with the i7 in these two videos:
1440p - ruclips.net/video/Q1jnYXxnteU/видео.html
4K - ruclips.net/video/M77kJu3g-xI/видео.html
Gonna try helldivers with this card
It's the most fun game I've ever played. Definitely, give it a try in co-op mode.🙂 Solo is not as good.
do I get the same experience with Ryzen 7500f?
Most likely it'll be comparable or slightly better.
Please need help, i have a gift b660 and ddr4 3200mhz 16gb ram, so what to get between 12600kf and 4070ti super or the 14700f and 4070 super, the two combos are for the same price in my country 🤔🙏
I’d get the 4070 Ti SUPER. For me, better GPU is more important. And 12600KF should provide a decent gaming experience.
@@theivadim thanks for your response 👍, i hop i will benefit from the k using it stock 😥
One more thing I'd like to suggest. Have a look at the 13600K or 14600K (and KF) prices. The 4070 Ti SUPER can really take advantage of a better CPU. Those CPUs might be within your budget as they've seen some discounts in many parts of the world. And they are pretty much the same CPU but both are faster than the 12600KF. Just keep in mind that they are still just 6-10% better than the 12600KF on average. So, not a huge deal. Factor that in when comparing the prices and making a decision.
@@theivadim is the 12700k comparable to the 13600k ? 12600k for $150, 12700k for $200, 13600k and 14600k for $300 . my budget is very limited, if i get a better cpu a have to get the 4070 super non ti and maybe upgrade later to a 5070 🤔
In that case, I'd go for 12600K (or KF if you don't need integrated graphics). It's definitely not worth it spending 2x more on a 13/14600K. The performance difference is not significant. Keep that money and save, invest, or spend it on something fun that isn't a CPU🙂
What is the best gpu for 14400f ?
Generally, if on tight budget - 4060. It's good enough for general 1080p gaming. If you got the spare budget, 4060ti is good enough.
Does 7600x bottleneck 4070ti super at 1440?
I suspect that it will in some games and scenarios. But you'll have to find someone testing it to know for sure if the 7600X is the right choice for your particular needs. I haven't touched the 7600X yet. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to do that at some point in the future as the channel grows.🙂 Thank you for checking out my video.🤝 Every view, comment, like and sub gets me closer to that opportunity.
@@theivadim Thanks for the reply bro! You are doing a great job! Honestly already built a pc with 7600x and 4070ti super for 1440p content mostly and 32 gb ram...after watching your video feeling worried it might not be enough...
If you've been enjoying it so far then it's enough🙂 But if you want to make sure then just check your GPU utilisation when you play the games you like. If it's 95-100% then your CPU is doing a good job. To do that just press Alt+Z to when you're in game to bring up NVIDIA in-game app. There you'll find Performance overlay options. Choose advanced option to get more info. Once you've setup it up use Alt+R when you're in game to display that overlay. Or just find a step by step guide on RUclips. I'm sure it'll do a better job explaining how to set this up than I did here😀
do you think i5-14600K would bottleneck 4070 Ti Super at 1440p?
14600K is a good option for graphics intensive games. That's the CPU I'd recommend getting if I were building an Intel-based gaming system.
@@theivadim okay thank you for fast response
One more thing. Check out the 13600K. If it is much cheaper than the 14600K then I'd consider getting that instead as there is very little performance difference between the two. They are built on the same architecture.
@@theivadim i5-13600K is 5$ cheaper than i5-14600K where I live, so I think I'll get 14th gen. Thanks for help!
Clean build i just feel like the 4070ti super are overpriced for a 1440p GPU, and the name sounds like a child made it up! That cpu is garbage suprised it bottlenecks the GPU. It's kind of sad we have to use all this trickery DLSS, frame gen, just to get a game to run correctly.
I agree, GPUs are not cheap right now. But the market is still in a better state than it was last year. But I am looking forward to future improvements. Also, 1440p gaming is enjoyable with a 4070 SUPER at $600. No need for the Ti🙂 It's just nice to have for the high refresh rate experience.
is the i5 14500 enough for RTX 4070 Super??
14500 is pretty much the same as 14400. Here's my video featuring the 4070 SUPER paired with this CPU - ruclips.net/video/uAwax7b9GYs/видео.html
you should really give it away to me my stepdad broke my laptop because i defended my mom in an argument im 14 and i really want to game thanks if you would give it away to me
hummm yeaaa
i5-14400 is shit choice.
Why?
It would be good with something like a 3070 for gaming@@nozers
@@biushee9450 what abt 4070 super
that will be way over powered
the most i would go for is 3080 for 1440 and 4k gaming@@nozers
@@biushee9450how do you know
Sometimes you sound like minecraft villager 😂
trash foe better performance cpu 7700x gpu 7900 gre.or 7800xt
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