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Why not forged pistons???
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Nice truck, shit happens, you'll get back and better next time 👍
Hate to see that truck hurt. Personally this my favorite vehicle out of your fleet. Hopefully it’s gets back on the road soon Craig. Keep it up as always
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Bruh- I'm an old guy in Huntington Beach. I been following your channel since you were in highschool. You owe no explanations to no one regarding this truck. It's effing rad! Keep being a Ford guy!
As a new viewer I can't wait to see this truck back up an running. The last video left me drooling for more. Sounds so freaking amazing. If it makes you feel any better I blew the motor up in my C5 Corvette earlier this year playing around with around 14 PSI of boost. It went lean for a reason we never really did fully figure out why, butted the rings in cyl 1 which proceeded to rip the wrist pin out of that piston which then broke the rod in cyl 2. Destroyed the block, crank, cam, oil pump, the blower, the intercooler, and a few other things. All told I am in it for about 10 grand my labor. Car is back up and running with a forged 408 and a new blower.
I did subscribe to your channel Craig. It's not easy to get me to sub to a channel but I enjoy what I've seen and you seem like a hard working dude that has earned it!
Did the same today lol
@@jbestgaming136 Kerblewie?
Love that you’re doing everything this way man! I’m learning things from you, I appreciate your posting all this info
I love that you’re going through the process and learning. Figuring out what it can and can’t do and doing the work yourself. Built, not bought.
People I work often ask how I got so good at my job. I always tell them I have been doing it for 22 years and made every mistake you can. Best way to learn stuff if to mess something up. Those are mistakes you don't make again. Keep up it man, love the truck.
You only get "experience"
from bad decisions = bad experience = good decisions = experience
If you are going to H beam rods, go with forged pistons, it just makes sense to put something in there that can handle you beating on it. You kinda drive like I do, and my engines are (usually) budget and they last decades. Put money where it does the most good. Also invest in an O2 sensor. I did so I can tune my carbs better on E85/E100.
If you want reliable 7k rpm, go solid roller instead of hydraulic roller. The juice roller lifters are heavy, and more weight means you need more spring pressure to control it, you will hit valve float with a hydraulic roller. Bending pushrods is a thing when you float valves.
You can get a solid roller with lift that will not bind using your current springs, or go ahead and upgrade them as well. Duration gets you the RPM. Also since you have a carb, I'd rock a 108 to 110 LSA, give your tiny engine some more midrange to go with the top end, plus the lope at idle is sick with a 108 or a 110.
If you want to stop breaking engines and possibly ruining not so easily replaced parts (even sbf blocks are getting rare), build it with some longevity in mind. Sure breaking stuff gets views, people like carnage, but that can be tires, axles, and stuff like that too. Big heads and cam on weak pistons is clown shoes man. Make the bottom end robust, not just barely good enough.
Take it from an old guy with a heavy foot who breaks stuff all the time... which is why I learned to rebuild transmissions, 600ftlbs in a heavy vehicle does a number on transmissions. Ask how I know.
I have two '72 F100's; one with a stock 360 and the other with a mildly built 390. Love, love, love the early '70's bumpsides!!!
Bro, this truck is amazing. I love what you did and the fact it's a true garage/driveway type build versus a shop trying to be retro with a $100K car budget makes it this even better.
If you’re putting a hydraulic roller and H beam rods, you might as well put forged pistons
I can’t believe that old 5.0 screams like that, sounds good as hell with the new exhaust.
I agree you only learn by doing. So glad to see you doing things your way and not what others think you should be doing. That’s one of the things I enjoy about this channel. Besides the cool hot rods. Glad to see the fix for the f100 is not a big deal.
Not that bad. I thought maybe you dropped a valve or two from over revving.
I’m not a ford guy but love watching ur vids and now ur making me have a soft spot for f100s and other old ford trucks
What does being a Ford guy have to do with anything?
Engine builder here and wanted to say awesome job! Loved the fly bys, until she went down of course. The truck does sound awesome!!! Thought to myself Holy crap it sounds like the BULLITT! Don't worry about the neah sayers, sounds like you have done your research, build them for how you want to run them. Dodge fella myself, but know well the hi rev capabilities of Fords 302. Question on your hydraulic roller cam upgrade, is it capable of reving 7000 without pump up on those lifters? One of the reasons a lot of hi rpm builds stay with solids. Nice work BTW!
I have had 2 1977 F150 trucks and loved them both . The first one had 400 modified and the second one had a 300 inline 6 .
Please check the tension on the rings. Overheated rings can lose sealing pressure.
Finnigan was able to save his hemi by putting a new piston and rings in.
That's the plan!
Just found your channel and watched the last F100 videos and I‘m blown away by the videos you make and especially by the sound your F100 makes 🤤🤤🤤
What a Biest 😍 Glad the damage wasn’t that bad, in the last video it sounded pretty much worse.
Will watch a bunch of your older videos and of course subscribed to your channel 👍
Kind regards from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp 👋
Just makes good content for a future vid.
I've blown motors & tranny's because I just didnt know how to match upgrade components ..
I burned the valves on a 72 Mustang with a 351 Cleveland..
I opened up the exhaust & dumped it mid way of the car ..
It couldnt get rid of the heat & burned a couple valves...
I blew an engine dumping ATF down the carb !
I put a shift kit in a Mustang Cobra & it cracked the tranny housing...
Upgrades tended to bust sht...I learned you gotta match upgrades with upgrades..
Anyway , it always gave me an excuse to make it better/faster.
I’ve had the same issue in the past with breaking 1 maybe 2 pistons and limped back to the house… i usually have extra pistons etc laying around so i just drop the pan and pull the rod caps, pop off the head on the problem side and swap the bad pistons out, check the head on the bench n slap back together and boom good as new. I’ve done it in a day, these small block fords are incredibly durable and very forgiving.. my truck is carb’d but i have an air flow meter on it lol.. right now I’m running a 302 small block nothing special just flat top pistons , mild cam, holly 600cfm 4 barrel carb with vacuum secondaries and msd ignition with long tubes and twin 40’s.. it runs great and the mpg is pretty good considering it hauls my 5,800lb truck around everywhere with whatever shenanigans I’m doing..
" While you're in there"... Been there, Craig. You are so right about doing it yourself - we learn by doing- and NOTHING beats the feeling of having done it yourself... And then beating the shit out of it.
I was hoping it wasn’t something too bad, glad it was just a ring land and not anything spun in the bottom! Your idea for the new set up sounds awesome! Stronger rod and roller cam will definitely let her eat!
You are exactly correct, this is how you learn! I will be so happy when you finally build an engine that can stand up to your right foot! 🤣🤣
Don't listen to people who say let a professional build your motor, I'm 65 and have been screwing around with mostly Ford small blocks 45+ years, absolutely love building them now I don't beat on them like that but to each there own, you keep doing what your doing, oh btw my choice of motors are 351ws that what I would put in the f100.
13:09 FACTS!!!!
I can't agree more! I have learned the most from trying and failing. Bless you man!
Forged Pistons are your friend. I built a 428cj that with the cam I put in it would easily rev past 7200rpm. It had domed 12.5 trw forged Pistons and shaved heads so compression with steel shim head gaskets was about 13.7 to one, so racing fuel was a must. Had roller rockers and solid flat tappet. Mallory ignition and melling high volume and high pressure oil pump. On top of factory Cobra jet intake was a 750 cfm Holley double pumper jetted up. Didn't have an Air/fuel gauge but looking at plugs and running correct heat range ultra important. Glad you didn't break it worse but I do recommend forged Pistons for any motor that is twisted anywhere near 7000rpm.
Experts had to start learning somewhere and you are doing it your own way. Keep up the good work!
Sick build bud, I can respect someone who works on their own projects otherwise if someone else does it for you it’s their project. As they say out here in Oakland CA all gas no brakes.
I've got a 5.3 with ss2 cam and 7875 turbo... I've blown it up 2 times due to fueling issues with carb. I now have 4 mahle stock spec pistons on driver side that replaced the pistons with broken ringlands. And the passenger side still sports the original 180k mile pistons. Truck runs great now with Holley Terminator x. Have 2 years on this setup up since last blow up lol
There's no shortage of people calling themselves better than the next guy. As a master mechanic for 26 years that dynamic lives in my profession as well. Personally I'm humble and don't partake in that. So do you, your doing great! What you need in your cockpit is a VACUUM gauge. I have one in all my builds. That's to important to monitor the health of your engine. Learned how to read one. With a vacuum gauge you would have knew right away your engine was hurt. You may possibly have caught it before your engine started to eat that Piston. You can also tell if your engine is running lean as well with that gauge. To me a vacuum gauge is an overlooked tool among hotrod guys, but in my professional opinion it's a must have, and I always mount one in the gauge clusters of all my builds.
WOT pull was amazing! Sounded like a beast. Good that you are working on that yourself and NOT having a "professional" (who also occasionally has to learn things the hard way) build your motor.
I don't know how this dude hit my algorithm again. I remember watching this truck when he was in highschool with it. Never the less glad he's still at it, and the truck has come along way.
Let's talk (VERY IMPORTANT)👆🎁..
Craig, live and learn. Haters will be what they are, WOULD BE, WANT TO BE's. Get it done and go on, you are doing great. Hell, the first engine I built put #3 piston through through the block. Tons of fun. Keep up what you are doing, we wouldn't have it any other way. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Back in the day when we had decent fuel with lead you only had to look at the tip of your exhaust pipe to get a reading of how your motor was tuned .. If you were running a nice grey pipe you were usually spot on
got in on the t-shirt drop. had to contribute to the rebuild. looking forward to hearing the new motor a 7k rpm. major days-of-thunder-leaving-the-pits vibes
Doesn't matter now but when piston engine aircraft get built or rebuilt they always log the weights of the pistons, pins and rods. Then if there is an issue and a piston gets damaged, you can just get a replacement piston of the same weight. Love your F100.
Kool work man. I have a 1970 302 stock everything bottom end!, with twisted wedge heads and a ford roller Z cam ,spun it 7,800 rpm on the street daily for 5 years before I pulled it for a rebuild
New to the channel, that's an insane truck, can't wait to see more of it.🤙🏻🤙🏻
i drove a 70 F100 from 91 to 2012. saved and rebuilt the 302 and dropped it in my 70 Maverick. open headers all day and night. cops dont bother me as i creep through town, but out on the hwy even at 2500 rpms it sounds like a beast. open headers next engine please!! ty subbed
oh and an AFR gauge will tune that carb in 15 minutes perfect. i was close with my tune before the gauge, but the gauge shows how small changes effect the mixture. well worth the $185
Your the calmest person I've ever seen kill a motor.just killed a 5.0 in my town car after getting stuck in the snow .had an oil leak wich contributed to it that and high rpms I heard it cough and knock .this car is supposed to be my project car and in the garage for the winter but at the time it was the only dependable turn key car I had .I literally watched your video of your motor dying the day before mine did .
Craig you have to stop listening to the people that hate on you, DO YOU MAN. The rest of us are watching you do this and cheering you on
This truck is awesome! the sound is incredible one of the best v8’s I’ve ever heard let alone in an f100! Keep up the good work dude
not gonna lie I never saw any of your content until I watched the previous vid, and I assumed you had no idea what you were doing based on the lean condition and you being unsure what happened at the time. glad I saw this explanation though and I love the truck, nice to hear you are gonna fix it yourself and do a few upgrades. I subbed, can't wait to see
I had similar setup on my old mustang but I had trickflow high port heads. I went from a 600 to 750dp Holley and got jets adjusted and it made a world of difference.
Great message. I think it's awesome you build it and learn from doing! Kudos for taking that on and figuring it all out.
For sure!!! That's them pre LS, 4.3 straight piped , saying it's a 305 , big cap boys.... That's why we spanked camaros and vetts for lunch in our fox bodies. Well, before the LS came, and made us have to do more than advancing our timing. Lil 100 shot cleared that up real quick... ha.. but we'll be tuning in to see you resurrect her.
Honestly I think building the bottom end now and going to a 306 build would benefit your application. It's a fun high reving bottom end, very forgiving and loves boost also prochargers are a great add on to a 306.
Bro just a little advice from an older hot rodder personally I would go with a bigger carburetor I would suggest given ATM carburetors a call you tell them everything your running and all your specs and between you and them they will build you a carburetor specifically to your set up they are nomore expensive than a Holey off the shelf and also don't nowhere you live it appears to be out west but from my experience which I have alot of with Ford 302s you should switch to E85 they run so mu h cooler and more efficient with that fuel but not sure what your availability is with that fuel live in Florida so it's everywhere here buy seriously give ATM a call.
im glad i found your channel! Fire! Always will be watching
I’m a Chevy guy but that truck is bad ass. I’ve done tons of work on my own truck and I didn’t know anything till actually did the work myself. Now I know a lot
Stay with Solid Flat Tappet. low 7k rpm is no issue, save the money for a better carb and dual AFR gauges. Read David Vizards books on SBF.
Had this exact thing happen. Sbf that came in my car with decent compression speed pro Hypereutectic pistons, was using a 600 or some old edelbrock manual choke. I believe it was even the same cylinder that went lean. Nicked the piston on a corner not as badly but same thing, the rings were ok, and the car had the same tick sound and wouldn’t accelerate past 80….. now built a nascar spec sbf at home, decided to go with home fabricated boom tubes and x pipe with scrap from the auto parts store. Will see if it sounds as mean as your pickup.
I wonder how’s his ford fox body is doin! Lowkey I only came to this channel to see what else he would do it! But I’m loving all the other videos too! Keep it up man! 💯💯
MAN, I saw those passes.
It was PURE UNALTERED GLORY.
I love hearing a "small" V8 scream it's lungs out.
Looking forward to more crazy shit. 👌🙂🤘
You aren’t doing a single thing wrong. In fact, it’s amazing just how RIGHT you have built this. I have tuned over 5000 motorcycles. You are following all the logical steps for power and success. Afr is key. I would be looking for about 13.1:1 on the afr gauge or dyno. Don’t lean past 13.6-1, that is stoichiometric perfect burn in that application sir.
Ur piston didn’t melt brother! That’s a clean break. U didn’t have enough ring gap. If u had enough ring gap u most likely wouldn’t have lost the piston. It’s pretty hard to melt a piston N/A. The truck would have ran like crap if it were that lean. Anyhow the noise ur hearing is not detonation either. What u r hearing is combustion gases leaking around ur rings now that u have a piece of piston ring land gone and most likely broken ring land under the top ring as well. Yes being lean could have caused this issue but only because u had too little ring gap. I’ve seen this a bunch (not so much on N/A engines) and it’s always ring gap issues. Not trying to be some internet keyboard warrior or bash u brother just trying to help. I build engines for people and have built many sbf of the years.
I appreciate it! Ring gap was .026 which should be more than enough so we'll see when it comes apart. I really appreciate the info. good insight!
@@CleaversVids Yep, KB pistons NEED more clearance than other manufacturers because of their design. Many KB pistons get killed because of it.
@K. Cleaver do u agree by what u see on bore scope in his video that this is a lifted ring? It’s clearly broken and not melted from what I can see.
@K.Cleaver I agree. I’ve seen detonation alone do this. I’m betting on a little of both though. I know he says he’s put a lot of miles on it and beat on it as well but another thing people don’t think about when tuning a carbed vehichle is what air conditions was the truck tuned for. When ur on the ragged edge of a tune with ring gap and timing one day of very good air can push it over the edge!
Where’s the crew cab? I can’t wait to see more on that again
Love the truck and love your outlook and your thirst of knowledge and the fact you’re doing it all yourself! Keep it up and I can’t wait to hear this little beast rippin soon!
Can't wait to see the build. I bet she's really going to sound sweet at 7-7500 rpms.
Keep pushing Craig, keep doing what you love. I know that truck will be back up and running, putting a smile on your face in no time. You’ve been a huge inspiration with your truck for my current project, I’m going thru the process of building a 307ci SBC for my ‘91 S10. My goal is to have it rev to around 8500 with a really great set of Aluminum heads but I’m still researching for some of the right parts I want to determine my ideal compression ratio.
When you put a new piston in it, make notes of the piston weight so in the future if you have a similar problem, you will not have to pull it all the way apart to replace one piston.
Pull the pan and tighten the rod bolt..thats the noise..upgrade them for the future. The piston rings popped the piston..check your gaps, Why pull the engine have rebuilt one sitting in the truck..worked fine including crank btw.
It’s called detonation. When you started it, it sounded like your timing was too high.
Not enough octane in your fuel and timing too high will cause detonation..
My biggest up grade if I was spinning the motor up that high would be a set of lite weight forged Pistons
Why not upgrade the pistons while they are all out? Love the content
Inspirational, I salute you. You kindle my passion for Motors
First, love the channel & the projects! long time Ford and fox body guy - I see some accurate comments in that the piston broke not melted so I would think ring gap for those KB's wasn't quite enough. The KB's are an ok street piston, not a fan of the huge accumulator groove design - a decent forged SRP/Wiseco/DSS forging is where you need to be, based on how you use this thing it's honestly beyond what any decent engine builder would recommend for a hypereutectic piston. if you can spring for it a Mahle Power Pack setup and a good I beam bushed rod would be sweet. also, a small solid roller is what I would recommend for that setup - 236/242 @.050 on a 112 LSA- mid .500" lift, a good 1.3" diamter LS style dual valve spring and bushed lifters. cannot wait to see it!!
The new exhaust definitely sounds awesome! I’m ready to see the F150’s 302 come back to life again, even stronger!
F100
Thanks for the in depth video. It's helping me diagnose a similar situation in my truck with a broken piston from a lean condition. Although mine doesn't spin as fast or sound like your truck
Weird did the same thing in a 351W with KB pistons...around 1996. I waited about 6 weeks for the piston...glad the turn around time is improved. BTW I ran the car for about 2-3 days...my engine builder (dad) was amazed the cylinder was fine 🙂
Just found your channel. I love these trucks. I just sold my 71 that I did the crown vic swap on. Never got around to putting the engine and tranny in and the guy didn't want those (he was going 5.4L). Fresh 460 with a built up c6. Not sure where abouts your located but I wouldn't mind letting it go if you want to hop on the bigblock wagon.
I think you just need a louder fuel pump!! It did sound great for those pulls, looking forward to more!!
The Black widows definitely have a signature sound. I have them on a budget built SBC with a comp cams XE274, dual xpipes and venom 250 mufflers and it’s idle sounds nearly exactly like this. Sick fucking truck dude! 🤘
Your learning a shit ton doing your own work, personally I love it. If money wise it don’t hurt and you’re not walking have fun,gives us more tube time!
You will rebuild her and she will once again be a wild beast! Improve her and upgrade , as well.
I think you're a very underrated channel. You should definitely have more subs. I'll do my part. I absolutely love watching the vintage cars and the F100 is a badass. Keep up the great work, subs will come in.
Underrated? By whom? Who keeps under rating it..? Are people actively talking down about it..?
What a bummer....You will get it going again...Looking forward to it.
Thanks Craig. I really enjoyed this video, I learned a lot. My old truck is governed to a sad 2600 rpm.
Its just so crazy to see how far this truck and this channel has come, i remember when he was hitting his highschool drags in this thing stock asf
Watched previous video and had a feeling leaned out. A buddy's 358 drag motor leaned out with a pair of Holly 660 center squirters running 68 primaries and 78 secondaries at the top of 2nd. Ate the block and head between #3 and #5 cylinders. 10% over driven blower didn't help.
F the haters! Haters gonna hate..... that you are having fun and they aren't. Build it up and do it again! Keep on Truckin!
Let's do it! Upgrades are exciting for sure....Don't like the reason why lol...But might as well put her back together better than ever bro! ❤
I think if you’re happy, figuratively oblivious no wants their engine to go lean and break a piston, but the if in general you went out to learn, well this is what learning looks like.
I’m a 351 W fan myself and I’ve got a 360/390 plus a true 427 Ford but anyway glad too see that the block is still good over fueling is better than under fueling learned that a long time ago
Very interesting video. Sorry to see this happen. Love the truck, though. Great educational experience, overall.
Not terrible news, just some work, and good plan to upgrade to better parts while your at it! Fun truck, sounds fantastic! I had one like it many years ago, except I dropped a 429 SCJ in mine. 😁
It sucks right when you get it running right it breaks down. It sounds really good. Bro 😎
I’m super glad you made this video dude. I have a 76 dentside I’m building a very similar engine to yours with. I have a 600 carb and pretty much the same exhaust as yours. I do have a 750 that I’ve been debating on running when I got it back together. And this solidifies it. Only difference is I have ported iron heads and a roller cam
First off, i’m glad you have the time, the skills, the tools, and the net work to be able to do what you’re doing. Absolutely you are learning a lot and you will carry those skills the rest of your life. But for most of the people watching this who don’t have those, I would love to see a TOTAL $ spent on building this 4 times. That number would need to include a labor estimate to r&r and a estimate for a prof. Engine builder to disassemble and reassemble 4 times all broken out. Then I would like to see how much it would cost to build a 8k rpm, top of the line street engine with forged everything, h beams, full roller, msd, premium direct injected, etc one time with labor #’s one time. My guess is they are not far apart. PROBABLY even cheaper to just do it right the first time. And that lesson would be mathematical proof, That most of the time when you do stuff half ass it costs you more in the long run.
I'm old school but have come around to using a O2 senor & AF metering in 2022, If you had , had one, You wouldn't be out there Redlining , you would have seen how lean it was going, my mustang 289 1st rebuild 2019 saw a FTappet cam burn 3 lobes, 2nd rebuild 2021 I went with a Retro Hyr. Roller cam & added the AR meter. build them , Run them hard, break them, replace them & go do it all Over Again! for the next 20+ years, your stil young.
Do enjoy your videos. And like you said you do it yourself you can learn from you mistakes. Like my friend put an electric fuel pump on his 71 Challenger and he removed the rod that used to push the fuel pump. OOPs bad idea. The oil comes out of the pump through we’re the push rod for the fuel pump was. Needles to say he ruined his engine. Wouldn’t make oil pressure when warm anymore. We all are always learning
I've broke a few like that. In my experience that knock has been the piston touching the head. With the chunk gone it sits a little off. I measured my deck clearance with the broken piston and it was less than my quench, indicating it was touching the head.
I thought the same thing... Once apart, recheck rod and main bearings
Bro...that truck is on par with a Shelby Gt350 exhaust note! I watched the other vid soooo many times to hear that wide open rip 😍😍😍😍
You do good man love the truck ..your inspiration to me and my 71 shortbed 4x4
Sounds great! Keep learning, you sound pretty smart to me!! Good luck!
I got 5 bucks that says your heads are fine, if cast iron from the 70's can handle lean issue at excess of 6500 rpm on a 385 series with the same style pistons, your afr's should be minty! I did the exact same thing on my truck too damn cool! Slap a new piston in her and re jet it and let her eat! And do the upgrades you want it will be KILLER!
sounds grumpy and savage love it ... got my sub
Please make a video of the rebuild. I am gonna attempt to rebuild my first early 302 this winter.
Hi Craig,
That is amazing that it is only one piston and that no other major damage occurred. Have you asked yourself why that cylinder and no others? I wonder if the intake/exhaust port to that one cylinder outflow the rest? Something to think about. Check out Microblue for the bearings and high friction areas and Thermal coating the piston dome, combustion chamber, valve faces, and exhaust ports.
That’s funny I called it in the last video. We run dirt tracks and when your at that compression you have to watch that fuel like a hawk Really hot day to a cool evening …. I’m just waiting to see it happen on the long lap runs to see who’s carb is too lean. Usually the guys running to much gear first and always right in the center of the piston. Head will be fine run it. Flat tappet cams given same style are better. For perf