She's always been as much a part of the group as the other 2 to me. Never mind whether she's included in the name or not (it wouldn't sound right if she was). Group names aren't to be taken literally--people asking "which one's Kris and which one's Kross is one example. DJ's have always been a vital element of Hip Hop culture and aren't "interchangeable". That's dirty of them. Please reconsider, ladies. En Vogue broke up, a member of TLC passed... the last thing we need is for the last good female group to break up for no damn reason.
Thats just it. She wasn't as much a part of the group. Salt n Pepa came up together (before success), made a name for themselves, found fame and had hits before Spin was brought into the mix. At some point they added her as a dj bc thay was the thing at the time. Every big rap act had a personal dj. I don't think they're being shady towards her. They just don't think she deserves 'equal' recognition bc she wasn't an equal part of the process. She wasn't in the trenches.
Doesn't matter how much she thinks she did for the group she is not a member. She worked for them, the contract was with them. They are the brand, they were platinum before her. And her success is bc of them. They didn't have to bring her to the forefront but they did bc they were trying to help her. They owe her nothing, if anything she owes them. I don't understand why this is so hard to get.
@@mojadah10 30 years is trenches enough beloved....a friend you let crash on your couch for 30 years is no longer just a friend that's family or somebody is being phony and disingenuous...im not arguing with you beautiful, im just sayin...
"Thought Run DMC would last forever Same with Salt N Pepa and the Original Spinderella Pete Rock & CL, Erick & Parrish (EPMD) They weren't just rappers, they're a part of our fabric..." --Showbiz & AG, "The Bond
Spin's part on Whatta Man was my favorite in the song 🤷♀️ She was also so beautiful and fly, her hair was always on point...i liked Salt and Pepa too but Spin was the 3rd member to me...Peace
And what amazes me now is that Spinderella has been getting booked everywhere and now this will be the third time this that she has came to my DC and Maryland area which I’m happy about,
Run DMC was the biggest rap group in the history of rap. However Jam Master Jay was just as much a part of that group as Run and DMC...even though his name wasn't in the title. The DJ is the orchestrator, the MCs are the performers. They all need each other.
Spin was not included in the reality show. She made a guest appearance and took the ladies to dinner where Pep ordered “the most expensive bottle of wine.” SMH. I always considered Spin a full member of the group and it was a shame that they left her out of the biopic. It was also disgraceful with them leaving her out of Coming To America 2. Eddie should have insisted that Spin be invited!
True ..but Salt N Pepa was Salt N Pepa before Spinderella .. But I see both sides because Spin is a DJ ..They put Spin to the forefront & let her rap when they really didn't have to in which the fans looked at Spin as a 3rd member
I hope one day that Spin's net worth exceeds theirs by a few hundred million. I'm a huge fan of the group and loved 80s hip hop. I never regarded them other than a 3 person act. The DJ was just as important as the MCs. Together they were magic. I could never enjoy the group without Spin!
@Jae Sease You are absolutely right! And Salt's daughter Corin Donaphin is married to my nephew David. So they're part of my family, and my brother and I don't like or support them either.
I always recognized Spin as part of the group, and noticed the shift around Blacks Magic album where she was more prominent in the videos. Then when Very Necessary came out, she was full on RAPPING ON TRACKS. IDK why they would encourage this only to end up not considering her part of the group.
Some people don’t remember that Spin started rapping on the Blacks’ Magic album. She’s rapping on the albums title track and a few other songs PLUS their following 2 albums.
cos spin ended up being most peeps favourite and once the fans saw she could also hold her own where rappin was involved therefore salt and pep let the jelousy and envy get in the way of shxt Period!
She's doing more on that album because Salt and Pepa were pregnant. Pepa is pregnant during Expression and Salt is pregnant during Let's talk about Sex. If you listen to the title track Black's Magic, Salt even gives Pepa a shout out about her pregnancy. That was also a way for Salt and Pepa to help give Spinderella a bigger role than standing behind the turn tables.
🥺 After 30 years at a law firm, wouldn’t you expect to be considered a partner. When would they ever give her her just due of the legacy? I’m an 80’s baby, and S-N-P were my favorite group as the a kid, but I don’t respect how they did Spin at all. It’s not even the same without her.
Nope. If you'd worked at a law firm for 30yrs, you'd probably know better than to have the expection of being considered a partner without the first steps of being offered and accepting that position.
I was happy to see her at the SWV/Xscape VERZUZ as the DJ for SWV!!!! I'm watching it after this video. I love you Spin!!! I love the way you do your videos btw. Terrific and engaging as always!!!!
Spinderella is as much a part of hip hop history as any woman in the game. She could fill up a stadium by herself with just her to turntables right now. Her name is legendary and the love that her fans still have for her is also legendary because she was always a Class Act never thot.
This was better than the Lifetime movie about Salt 'N Pepa. No matter if she came into the group later or not. She still helped make them bigger than they were at the time. I'm glad they had Spin at the Walk of Stars ceremony, but the damage has been done!!!! I'm a new subbie!!! 🙌🏾🙏🏾❤️🤗
Spinderella for me followed by Salt then Pepa. Don't care what the others say but it was Spinderella that made me fall in love with the group and sound and she was definitely the finest.
In addition to “Whatta Man” and “None of Your Business”, Spinderella also raps in “Heaven ‘N Hell”, "Ain't Nuthin' But a She Thing", "Gitty Up" and “R U Ready”. She also has a speaking part in “Let’s Talk About Sex”. There may be more but those are the ones I know of.
Thank You. Plus Spin also produced tracks on the Blacks Magic album as well as rap on several tracks due to Pep being on maternity leave while being pregnant with her 1st child
She doesn't have a verse on R U ready. I would have to listen to It Ain't nothing but a She Thang but, I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a verse on that song either.
Salt 'N Pepa was part of my childhood and teen years, and I met Spinderella briefly in Dallas a few years ago, she was always my favorite out of the group, and I always saw her as a member, I lost respect for the group for how Spin was kicked out, I just try to follow what Spin does, but history shall do Spin justice
I said it once and I'll say it again, Spin is the third member point blank. Salt n Pepa is horrible for not acknowledging Spins contributions. In my opinion they come off as being selfish and jealous because Spinderella is actually the fan favorite. That's like Run DMC not including Jam Master Jay, it's crazy smdh.
Got damn sis! That intro is 🔥🔥 it has that 90s RnB nostalgia to it (unless it is a song from the '90s that I just don't recognize) all in all perfect intro makes me feel good in a I miss 90s RnB kinda way much love from Kansas City 💕💕
Even though she wasn't the original Spinderella she IS Spinderella. Hardly anybody remembered the original one, she was barely there a year, was never in their videos and when people think of Spin, it's DeeDee they think of.
Salt Pepa Spindarella came here to tell ya!!!! C'mon now that's not right how they did her!!! Becareful how you treat people. Spindarella had y'all's back for 30yrs!!! You don't treat someone like the way y'all did!!👎☹️☹️
Hey Renie, I'm from Queens... and have met all three of these legendary ladies, independently, at different times. Each encounter, *enchanting.* Luv 'em All! Hence, I try to stay neutral on this fiscal beef w/them... yet... hoping a *reunion in Luv* comes to fruition for #SaltnPepa soon
Yes you are right about the original Spinderella. I remember watching that behind the music on them. I couldn't remember exactly how it went but at the time Salt was dating Herbie and she saw them together and after that the original Spin was fired. She's on that behind the music as well telling a little of her side.
They envy spin cause she was the prettiest and didn't have to act sexual and b half dressed to b liked and will always b a member of the group in the world eyes
I was 8 years old when they first came out. I remember all the girls in the neighborhood kept saying her name and they seemed to favor her at first. Even I thought she was the pretty one at first. Later as time went on it seemed like they tried to push her out. But what do I know. ☹️
And honestly, as a man...I remember paying attention to Salt n Pepa because I was crushing on SPIN LOL She was the reason I got into their music. And I'm sure I'm not the only one!
I’m the same age as them, and also from NYC. I can remember the love the city had for them before Spinderella arrived. And when she did I don’t remember people even noticing her for a long time afterwards. It was kind of like that for the DJ’s in groups or behind a solo artist, where DJ’s were like a visual aesthetic. I personally would have still loved Salt n Pepa with or without Spin, as I became a big fan before she was in the picture. But maybe that’s because I was local. She deserves for her contracts to be honored so she can get her money. But I agree DJ’s just don’t shine the same the as the artist. Fans don’t come out to see the DJ’s or the sound system people, even though they are a part of the show collectively, people come for the lyricists
Exactly! People don't understand how that works. Back n the day djs were like an accessory and everybody didn't have a DJ or acknowledge the DJ. SnP were platinum before this Spin came along, and they were a duo. Spin was employed by them, she worked for them. The fact that they brought her to the fore front says a lot about them. It was a girl empowerment move in a male dominated field. Spin was paid I'm sure for her services. She ended up leaving the group at one point and came back. Why come back if they were such horrible ppl.? It was explained on their reality show on BET Ladies Night w)SWV. I could tell Spin has some deep emotional issues. She threatened to leave the group again but they ended up beating her to the punch, then she got mad and took to social media and started a smear campaign against them.
I'm Gen X from Alabama. Salt n Pepa was the ish for us even here! I always viewed Spin as interchangeable and maybe even like an accessory (sorry) considering how established they were before she joined. Also considering their established fanbase and the work they put in to get there. She didn't help them get established and wasn't the leading force behind their biggest hits after they were established. So... I dont think she has been treated unfairly.
I can understand Salt and Pepa’s take from a business perspective. They were a group before Spinderella so if they saw themselves as the group and her as an employee, then ok, I get it. But they cannot erase that she’s part of the legacy. I don’t understand why the arrangement between them wasn’t made clear years ago. I still love all three of them regardless and glad that they caked up off their opportunities!
Business from a greedy perspective. After 30 years at a law firm, wouldn’t you expect to be considered a partner. When would they ever give her her just due of the legacy? I’m an 80’s baby, and S-N-P was my favorite group as the a kid, but I don’t respect how they did Spin at all. It’s not even the same without her.
I like spinderella but it was salt&peppa before she came on. Spinderella was with them for some years too and I'm sure she was looked at as part of that group. People have to make sure to get things in writing when they come into something like that. Spinderella was young too. Salt & peppa need to recognize her for all that she was a part of.
Yeah they say she's overly demanding. Jacci McGhee (who sang on Expression) walked off the set and never completed her scenes cause Salt changed the concept of the video and only wanted her to portray the bag lady.... and never got paid for that song.
When I saw Salt and Peppa straight Little Girl Spinderella on that reality show they had,I really lost my appetite for them completely and I'm one of the little boys who thought they all were Goddesses growing up..
I'm truly saddened by this... First hearing this... wowwww...Spinderella is part of Salt N pepper... I never knew they had such resentment for Spinderella... SOOOOO 😥 😔 😟
Salt n Pepa never said spin wasn’t part of the group but spin wanted it to be split equally amongst the three and salt n Pepa doesn’t see it that way. They took Hurby to court to get the rights to their name and catalog and spin was always part of the group but salt and Pepa owns the name
This was my understanding of the situation. So, I could see both sides. Sure SnP could have easily put everything aside and just took her in the fold and all, split it all equal and the fans would have thought that was "fair"... but realisticly, I think Spin knew what it was (business wise) but pushed for more anyway on the strength of time, sisterhood, their platform, and they stuck to the original understanding and deal, and Spin's feelings got hurt. I wish them all the best. But Spin could have also really thanked them for the platform and used that to make her way (which I believe they encouraged). Then I think it would have been justified to secure the name Spinderella and even negotiate (if possible) a little royalties off of some of the old memorabilia and art. Unfortunately, she was in the position to approach them humbly, not the other way around, and I believe it could have been a more favorable outcome for all of them. :/
In my opinion Spin was the prettiest and so was the original Spinderella. They got rid of the first one, because she was flirting with salt's supposed to be boyfriend at the time. I always thought of them as the female version of RUN DMC.
If you go and look at their reality show Ladies Night episodes 6-8 on BET, you will see everything. The problem was not SnP, the problem is Spin and her insecurities. And what some ppl don't know was that she was going to leave the group again, it just so happen that they beat her to the punch. She wasn't expecting it, so she got mad and smeared them on social media.
@@RenieNostalgic It did not go down the way Spin said it did. They gave her a verbal first (it is on the Ladies Night w/SWV episode 8), then the email which makes since. She was going to leave the group again anyway, she told Taj.
This is one of the most important lessons . I tryed too Teach my son about N an being young. thinking your friends are going to still be your friends 30 years from now over blood. I used to tell him you just like your mama always think N love you . They love you for what you got but I'm your daddy I always be around when them friends long and gone
You did a really good job with this video. I grow up looking up to this group....women empowerment group it gave so much courage. My favorite song is independent...to find out they would do they girl spin like that so sad. Take page out SWV book on how treat your sister. When you know better you do better. I will never look at them same nor support you again. Sad 😢😭😢
I Lost Respect of Salt n Pepa and Refuse to Support Anything they do they did Spinderella So Dirty n Evil and in my Honest Opinion this Group would be Nothing without her she was a Faithful DJ for many years and now they want to be greedy n outcast her and stop her from making money what goes around comes right back around.i personally think they are jealous of Spinderella.
I guess yall young & I'm revealing my age bc all hip hop heads of a certain age was well aware of Salt & Pepa minus Spin. They had (urban) hits like Tramp and Push It BRFORE Spinderella. They broke into a male dominated field, got record deals, established themselves as a respected act THEN Spin was added. I get that she was part of their major sucess but she wasn't present in the building. She was added to a successful group that became more successful but not bc of her. No ones being shady or unfair. She's not an equal/original member.
All three of them was beautiful Cinderella was beautiful all of them salt pepper that was just gorgeous they was doing their thing God bless every last one of them 💜❤️♥️💰💪💪💪🌹🙏🏿💗
@@TiffanyChyvonne I seen a video don't remember the title but they acted like they couldn't stand her. Tbh maybe Spinderella had more fans more male attention 🤔..women can be extremely jealous and it manifests in many ways.
If you have cable go and watch episodes 6-8 of the reality show Ladies Night SnP w/SWV on BET. You'll get a clearer picture of how things were between them. You will also see Spin saw she was leaving the group but SnP got tired of her tantrums and let her go before she could say anything. They told her to her face. They were sad but it had to be done. Spin is not innocent. And ppl don't know she had left the group before. Why ask to come back if they were such horrible ppl and sign the same contract?
I don't see where they did her wrong her @...There was a whole other Spinderella before her...How is she going to sue them over a name that wasn't originally her's...As far as they were concerned being Spinderella was a was job description...A role to fill....Even though I loved Spin in the group...I loved Sslt-N-Pepa before her...When it was the original Spinderrella....Nobody ever even knew she was replaced until someone noticed & said something...I remember very well...She even quit the group before to follow other aspirations...So like I said...I don't see where they did her wrong @ (My Opinion)
Salt and pepper are dead wrong to spin. I will never support salt and pepper without spin. Spin was a real DJ icon, the first black female. God doesn't like UGLY!!! Salt and pepper knew better than that. Period
Firstly, I never knew that Salt-N-Pepa, Kid 'n Play, *and* Martin Lawrence worked together at Sears! That explains why Martin Lawrence was in the early House Party movies and that crappy Kid 'n Play cartoon. Secondly, it's shitty how Salt and Pepa never really considered (the second but iconic) Spinderella a member of their group. DJ Run/Rev. Run and DMC always considered Jam Master Jay the third member of theit group before he became an official member. That's why they broke up the group when he got murdered. They reunite every now and then but they've said that they can never fully reform without Jay!
Something similar happened with Jam Master,the label didn't sign him he got payed from shows that's why the group made songs featuring him as a f.u. to the label,that's why I believe the story how he died because he always had one foot in the street
I always liked spinerella . But the reality is she was a replacement at the time because having a dj was expected of rap groups of the day. But those Dj’s of the time actually created the beats and produced the tracks for the MC’s . They were integral to the group. I actually saw a show back in the day and I remember wondering why she was even there. I remember the music was pre recorded Salt and Pepa were actually rapping and Spinderella was spinning record on the turntable when the beats were playing straight through with no mixing. She looked like a prop.
The way Salt N Pepa treated Spinderalla is sad and unfortunate. Spinderalla was a dynamic, integral part of the group and a legend in Hip Hop. Why do her like that? Very surprising of Salt / Cheryl as a "devout Christian" why be nasty to your fellow Black sister. Smh.
I loved their long lived journey in music. Their strong and I’m 42 but I believe when I was 12/13 that’s when I heard let’s talk about sex. And lol that song couldn’t be played around me. Lol
I grew up in 80s loving all three members of Salt and Pepper. My Pakistani friend attended their concert in 80s in London and she loved it. Love to Spinderella
Spinderella first made her rapping debut on the Blacks Magic album (those songs just weren't released as singles).This was also the first album where she wrote and produced on. Its sad that money clouded SnP's judgement and resulted in them trying to discredit Spin's contributions to the group smh
I like Spinderella, but she was not an integral part of the group. She was the DJ. The group is all about salt n peppa. People need to understand their roles.
That this is still not resolved is insanity. This era of hip hop is well aware of the importance of the MC + DJ and they shouldn’t be doing this to Spin. Disgusting.
Salt n peper was established b4 spin comes around,so to them she didn't made them,she came in N contributied, n made her mark,so salt N peper still would b wt out spin regardless.
Exactly! They didn't need her. She didn't write their music. And they were a duo before her. Why would they change things bc of her? She needs to be thanking them for the exposure that she got bc of them.
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She's always been as much a part of the group as the other 2 to me. Never mind whether she's included in the name or not (it wouldn't sound right if she was). Group names aren't to be taken literally--people asking "which one's Kris and which one's Kross is one example. DJ's have always been a vital element of Hip Hop culture and aren't "interchangeable". That's dirty of them. Please reconsider, ladies. En Vogue broke up, a member of TLC passed... the last thing we need is for the last good female group to break up for no damn reason.
Thats just it. She wasn't as much a part of the group. Salt n Pepa came up together (before success), made a name for themselves, found fame and had hits before Spin was brought into the mix.
At some point they added her as a dj bc thay was the thing at the time. Every big rap act had a personal dj.
I don't think they're being shady towards her. They just don't think she deserves 'equal' recognition bc she wasn't an equal part of the process. She wasn't in the trenches.
Doesn't matter how much she thinks she did for the group she is not a member. She worked for them, the contract was with them. They are the brand, they were platinum before her. And her success is bc of them. They didn't have to bring her to the forefront but they did bc they were trying to help her. They owe her nothing, if anything she owes them. I don't understand why this is so hard to get.
@@mojadah10 30 years is trenches enough beloved....a friend you let crash on your couch for 30 years is no longer just a friend that's family or somebody is being phony and disingenuous...im not arguing with you beautiful, im just sayin...
@Messiah Black Exactly and shorty and people who think like her are so full of 💩 and selfish, that it ain't even funny anymore..
"Thought Run DMC would last forever
Same with Salt N Pepa and the Original Spinderella
Pete Rock & CL, Erick & Parrish (EPMD)
They weren't just rappers, they're a part of our fabric..."
--Showbiz & AG, "The Bond
Spin's part on Whatta Man was my favorite in the song 🤷♀️ She was also so beautiful and fly, her hair was always on point...i liked Salt and Pepa too but Spin was the 3rd member to me...Peace
No just too i remember
She was hands down the sexiest one(Salt a close second)and maybe that was the problem 🤷♂️
Spin was always the prettiest in the group
Salt wrote that...
@@CharlieXFBA ?? Salt wrote Spin verse? U sure, it doesn't even sound like her flow
And what amazes me now is that Spinderella has been getting booked everywhere and now this will be the third time this that she has came to my DC and Maryland area which I’m happy about,
Run DMC was the biggest rap group in the history of rap. However Jam Master Jay was just as much a part of that group as Run and DMC...even though his name wasn't in the title. The DJ is the orchestrator, the MCs are the performers. They all need each other.
I was about to make the Run DMC comparison. Thanks for doing the work. With all the thot shit promoted we need sisterhood in Hip Hop.
I have always believed they were jealous of Spin. She was the beauty of the group. 🤷♀️
@@notorioushebrew4793 She didn't get all the surgery Pep got.
@@AceThunder234 exactly. Bitter af. Reaping season is gonna come for them.
RUNDMC Style Of Dress From Head To Toe Was All JMJ.
R.I.P. JAM MASTER JAY
I love Salt & Pepa to death, but they did her wrong. That's how we will forever know them as Salt, Pepa and Spinderella
How did they do her wrong? Did you know at one time Spin had left the group? Why did she ask to come back if they are such bad ppl?
@@keepsit100atalltime9 Thank you.
@@CharlieXFBA you're welcome
We never called them that Lol
Exactly
Spin was not included in the reality show. She made a guest appearance and took the ladies to dinner where Pep ordered “the most expensive bottle of wine.” SMH. I always considered Spin a full member of the group and it was a shame that they left her out of the biopic. It was also disgraceful with them leaving her out of Coming To America 2. Eddie should have insisted that Spin be invited!
Never seen them in it. What part did they play?
Coming to America 2 was pure trash, Spin didn’t miss out on that mess, but I get what you’re saying, I always liked Spin the best
Pepper you can see she ghetto in she pretend she has class 😂😂😂😂what a joke
Yeah they did Spinderella wrong, but as far as many of us fans are concerned Salt N Pepa is a trio and Spin was the 3rd member period!!!
THAT'S RIGHT ✅SPIN WAS PART OF THE GROUP SALT PEPPA AND SPINDERELLA
I Agree
Sure 🙄😐😳
Yeppp Spin Was The Cherry On Top
True ..but Salt N Pepa was Salt N Pepa before Spinderella .. But I see both sides because Spin is a DJ ..They put Spin to the forefront & let her rap when they really didn't have to in which the fans looked at Spin as a 3rd member
Spin is a dope lady. I was fortunate to be one of the photographers at her wedding. Great vibes.
I hope one day that Spin's net worth exceeds theirs by a few hundred million.
I'm a huge fan of the group and loved 80s hip hop. I never regarded them other than a 3 person act.
The DJ was just as important as the MCs. Together they were magic. I could never enjoy the group without Spin!
This is why I think they target teens to sign these deals, to ensure they’d seize the opportunity without understanding what they’re signing.
Salt and Pepa TOTALLY disrespected Spinderella and for that, I don’t support them anymore. Very disappointing
@Jae Sease You are absolutely right! And Salt's daughter Corin Donaphin is married to my nephew David. So they're part of my family, and my brother and I don't like or support them either.
I always recognized Spin as part of the group, and noticed the shift around Blacks Magic album where she was more prominent in the videos. Then when Very Necessary came out, she was full on RAPPING ON TRACKS. IDK why they would encourage this only to end up not considering her part of the group.
Some people don’t remember that Spin started rapping on the Blacks’ Magic album. She’s rapping on the albums title track and a few other songs PLUS their following 2 albums.
@@CashUnlimited8" Some'":would be me lol! I didn't dig deep enough but I understand you get what I'm talmbout. Thanks for pointing that out 💯
cos spin ended up being most peeps favourite and once the fans saw she could also hold her own where rappin was involved therefore salt and pep let the jelousy and envy get in the way of shxt Period!
Greed & short-sightedness..
She's doing more on that album because Salt and Pepa were pregnant. Pepa is pregnant during Expression and Salt is pregnant during Let's talk about Sex. If you listen to the title track Black's Magic, Salt even gives Pepa a shout out about her pregnancy. That was also a way for Salt and Pepa to help give Spinderella a bigger role than standing behind the turn tables.
🥺 After 30 years at a law firm, wouldn’t you expect to be considered a partner. When would they ever give her her just due of the legacy? I’m an 80’s baby, and S-N-P were my favorite group as the a kid, but I don’t respect how they did Spin at all. It’s not even the same without her.
Nope. If you'd worked at a law firm for 30yrs, you'd probably know better than to have the expection of being considered a partner without the first steps of being offered and accepting that position.
I was happy to see her at the SWV/Xscape VERZUZ as the DJ for SWV!!!! I'm watching it after this video. I love you Spin!!! I love the way you do your videos btw. Terrific and engaging as always!!!!
Me too, I was so happy for her
Spinderella is as much a part of hip hop history as any woman in the game. She could fill up a stadium by herself with just her to turntables right now. Her name is legendary and the love that her fans still have for her is also legendary because she was always a Class Act never thot.
Martin didn’t work at Sears… He worked at the gas station across the street but they all were friends
Great channel I love these videos I feel like I'm watching a documentary
Thanks for watching💕
@@RenieNostalgic can you do monifa frm the 90's
@RenieNostalgic are you no longer doing this channel? I love your other one as well, but this one has been quiet for a while.
This was better than the Lifetime movie about Salt 'N Pepa. No matter if she came into the group later or not. She still helped make them bigger than they were at the time.
I'm glad they had Spin at the Walk of Stars ceremony, but the damage has been done!!!!
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Spin was definitely a part of the group. And she stays booked and busy! Plus she got married. She's happy and flourishing.
Spinderella for me followed by Salt then Pepa. Don't care what the others say but it was Spinderella that made me fall in love with the group and sound and she was definitely the finest.
I can't think of Salt N Pepa without thinking of Spinderella..
I can. She’s not even the original Dj
I'm soo disturbed to know this,I can't look at them the same anymore and I grew up listening to them in the 80s etc
Spin was most certainly the 3rd member! Shame on the other two ladies. 😑😑😑😑
In addition to “Whatta Man” and “None of Your Business”, Spinderella also raps in “Heaven ‘N Hell”, "Ain't Nuthin' But a She Thing", "Gitty Up" and “R U Ready”. She also has a speaking part in “Let’s Talk About Sex”. There may be more but those are the ones I know of.
Thank You. Plus Spin also produced tracks on the Blacks Magic album as well as rap on several tracks due to Pep being on maternity leave while being pregnant with her 1st child
@@MUSICENCYLOPEDIA she produced one song on the cd and one song on very necessary
She doesn't have a verse on R U ready. I would have to listen to It Ain't nothing but a She Thang but, I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a verse on that song either.
Spin didn't rap on "R U Ready". Salt had da 1st 2verses 'n' Pep had Da last verse 💯
Plus she danced and performed in EVERY music video.
Spin raps on several songs on the Blacks Magic album as Pepa was unavailable due to her first pregnancy. Check out the title track Black's Magic.
Does anyone remember the song very special by spinderella and big daddy Kane , it came out in 94!? That song was my jam in mid school!!
1993
Salt 'N Pepa was part of my childhood and teen years, and I met Spinderella briefly in Dallas a few years ago, she was always my favorite out of the group, and I always saw her as a member, I lost respect for the group for how Spin was kicked out, I just try to follow what Spin does, but history shall do Spin justice
I understand the business side of things, but, at some point Spin should’ve got her manager and negotiated her own deal. It’s weird without Spin…😳
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Her parents should have she was a teenager
Very true and unfortunate. Spin waited decades and said nothing until she sued a few years ago but the case was settled out of court.
No matter what happens Salt and Pepa are legends in music industry point blank
We all recognize the contributions that Spin made to the group!
And Spin.
I said it once and I'll say it again, Spin is the third member point blank. Salt n Pepa is horrible for not acknowledging Spins contributions. In my opinion they come off as being selfish and jealous because Spinderella is actually the fan favorite. That's like Run DMC not including Jam Master Jay, it's crazy smdh.
Fan favorite!? Please stop with the delusion!!! 😂
@@XavierCarter9129 .
@@XavierCarter9129 they’re delusional 😂 it’s to funny.
I love Salt n Pepa since a little kid, I can’t picture that group without Spinderella!!!
They did her dirty … point Blank !
It's true, Spin made the look of the group work, she was the hot one, but at a concert once Salt reached down and my hand. Those were the days!
Good video Renie Nostalgic Salt N Papa were wrong to Spinderella
Got damn sis! That intro is 🔥🔥 it has that 90s RnB nostalgia to it (unless it is a song from the '90s that I just don't recognize) all in all perfect intro makes me feel good in a I miss 90s RnB kinda way much love from Kansas City 💕💕
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Really great commentary, Salt and Pepa has always been friends but unfortunately Spinderella never really got in the mix, no point attended.
This truly brought tears to my eyes....
Even though she wasn't the original Spinderella she IS Spinderella.
Hardly anybody remembered the original one, she was barely there a year, was never in their videos and when people think of Spin, it's DeeDee they think of.
Salt Pepa Spindarella came here to tell ya!!!! C'mon now that's not right how they did her!!! Becareful how you treat people. Spindarella had y'all's back for 30yrs!!! You don't treat someone like the way y'all did!!👎☹️☹️
LET'S GET PAID!! DO YOU WANT TO🎶🎶
That's my favorite song, I bump it EVERYDAY 😊
Exactly! 💯 She was loyal to them for over 30 years.
@@CodyCole80 That's incorrect. She actually left when times were hard. Much love to Spin but this a very nuanced situation.
That's okay that's why salt looks like shit and Pepa had too much cosmetic surgery and spin still looks like a dime piece
Hey Renie,
I'm from Queens... and have met all three of these legendary ladies, independently, at different times. Each encounter, *enchanting.* Luv 'em All! Hence, I try to stay neutral on this fiscal beef w/them... yet... hoping a *reunion in Luv* comes to fruition for #SaltnPepa soon
Yes you are right about the original Spinderella. I remember watching that behind the music on them. I couldn't remember exactly how it went but at the time Salt was dating Herbie and she saw them together and after that the original Spin was fired. She's on that behind the music as well telling a little of her side.
They envy spin cause she was the prettiest and didn't have to act sexual and b half dressed to b liked and will always b a member of the group in the world eyes
I was 8 years old when they first came out. I remember all the girls in the neighborhood kept saying her name and they seemed to favor her at first. Even I thought she was the pretty one at first. Later as time went on it seemed like they tried to push her out. But what do I know. ☹️
Exactly
That’s right she is more marketable and the most attractive they used her
Please stop. You don’t have to lie to kick it!
@@XavierCarter9129 we know salt was the prettiest in that group and attractive. 😂❤.
THis makes me sad, I always just assumed that the three of them were best friends and stuff.
And honestly, as a man...I remember paying attention to Salt n Pepa because I was crushing on SPIN LOL She was the reason I got into their music. And I'm sure I'm not the only one!
I’m the same age as them, and also from NYC. I can remember the love the city had for them before Spinderella arrived. And when she did I don’t remember people even noticing her for a long time afterwards. It was kind of like that for the DJ’s in groups or behind a solo artist, where DJ’s were like a visual aesthetic. I personally would have still loved Salt n Pepa with or without Spin, as I became a big fan before she was in the picture. But maybe that’s because I was local. She deserves for her contracts to be honored so she can get her money. But I agree DJ’s just don’t shine the same the as the artist. Fans don’t come out to see the DJ’s or the sound system people, even though they are a part of the show collectively, people come for the lyricists
Exactly! People don't understand how that works. Back n the day djs were like an accessory and everybody didn't have a DJ or acknowledge the DJ. SnP were platinum before this Spin came along, and they were a duo. Spin was employed by them, she worked for them. The fact that they brought her to the fore front says a lot about them. It was a girl empowerment move in a male dominated field. Spin was paid I'm sure for her services. She ended up leaving the group at one point and came back. Why come back if they were such horrible ppl.? It was explained on their reality show on BET Ladies Night w)SWV. I could tell Spin has some deep emotional issues. She threatened to leave the group again but they ended up beating her to the punch, then she got mad and took to social media and started a smear campaign against them.
@@keepsit100atalltime9 All Facts!
@@keepsit100atalltime9 there wouldn't be salt n pepa or hiphop period with out the dj. the dj will always be the most important element to rap music
@@eastend.zulu. what a foolish thing to say.
I'm Gen X from Alabama. Salt n Pepa was the ish for us even here! I always viewed Spin as interchangeable and maybe even like an accessory (sorry) considering how established they were before she joined. Also considering their established fanbase and the work they put in to get there.
She didn't help them get established and wasn't the leading force behind their biggest hits after they were established. So... I dont think she has been treated unfairly.
I like your outro music. Good production.
I can understand Salt and Pepa’s take from a business perspective. They were a group before Spinderella so if they saw themselves as the group and her as an employee, then ok, I get it. But they cannot erase that she’s part of the legacy. I don’t understand why the arrangement between them wasn’t made clear years ago. I still love all three of them regardless and glad that they caked up off their opportunities!
Business from a greedy perspective. After 30 years at a law firm, wouldn’t you expect to be considered a partner. When would they ever give her her just due of the legacy? I’m an 80’s baby, and S-N-P was my favorite group as the a kid, but I don’t respect how they did Spin at all. It’s not even the same without her.
It’s been said to spin for years, way back to to when they did their behind the music episode in the 90’s. They’ve always said the same thing to spin
@@CodyCole80 Re your law firm analogy, not necessarily if you are just a plodder in life!
I like spinderella but it was salt&peppa before she came on. Spinderella was with them for some years too and I'm sure she was looked at as part of that group. People have to make sure to get things in writing when they come into something like that. Spinderella was young too. Salt & peppa need to recognize her for all that she was a part of.
30 years
Cheryl is behind all of this.
No argument!!!💯💯
Yeah they say she's overly demanding. Jacci McGhee (who sang on Expression) walked off the set and never completed her scenes cause Salt changed the concept of the video and only wanted her to portray the bag lady.... and never got paid for that song.
@@jessified619 ....damn!😡
When I saw Salt and Peppa straight Little Girl Spinderella on that reality show they had,I really lost my appetite for them completely and I'm one of the little boys who thought they all were Goddesses growing up..
I'm truly saddened by this... First hearing this... wowwww...Spinderella is part of Salt N pepper... I never knew they had such resentment for Spinderella... SOOOOO 😥 😔 😟
Shame, shame on Salt and Pepper! To me, no Salt and Pepper without the “Spin”!
Salt n Pepa never said spin wasn’t part of the group but spin wanted it to be split equally amongst the three and salt n Pepa doesn’t see it that way. They took Hurby to court to get the rights to their name and catalog and spin was always part of the group but salt and Pepa owns the name
This was my understanding of the situation. So, I could see both sides. Sure SnP could have easily put everything aside and just took her in the fold and all, split it all equal and the fans would have thought that was "fair"... but realisticly, I think Spin knew what it was (business wise) but pushed for more anyway on the strength of time, sisterhood, their platform, and they stuck to the original understanding and deal, and Spin's feelings got hurt. I wish them all the best. But Spin could have also really thanked them for the platform and used that to make her way (which I believe they encouraged). Then I think it would have been justified to secure the name Spinderella and even negotiate (if possible) a little royalties off of some of the old memorabilia and art. Unfortunately, she was in the position to approach them humbly, not the other way around, and I believe it could have been a more favorable outcome for all of them. :/
Thank you spin
In the 80's I was practicing djing as a young teen and I went to Tower Records and bought Salt N Pepper Album.I mixed the song "Push it"
The original spindarella saw the issues in the beginning that's why they didn't work smh.
Not true
She was unreliable
She was lazy, not prepared for success, and was missing days. Unambitious ti the core and unprofessional. Stop this garbage.
Not true. She wasn't showing up for work and got fired.
Spindarella rapped a few verses on the song “None of your business” 😉
Oh yes, I remember that now. 😁
And whatta man
Oh yeah...🥴
And she rapped on Whatta Man Also....
Renie Nostalgic stated in this vid that Spindarella made her rapping debut in “Whatta Man”😅
I just subscribed to your channel 😊💚
thank you for giving Da Brat Tat Tat her 💐
Such a diss from salt & pepper, it just broke my heart my view of them changed, ,I pray they make a means 🙏🏾 with spin
In my opinion Spin was the prettiest and so was the original Spinderella. They got rid of the first one, because she was flirting with salt's supposed to be boyfriend at the time.
I always thought of them as the female version of RUN DMC.
Spin IS the N in Salt N Peppa. Change my mind!! 🤷🏽♂️
I see both parts but her firing was crazy
Yeah the way it was done was insane to me.
If you go and look at their reality show Ladies Night episodes 6-8 on BET, you will see everything. The problem was not SnP, the problem is Spin and her insecurities. And what some ppl don't know was that she was going to leave the group again, it just so happen that they beat her to the punch. She wasn't expecting it, so she got mad and smeared them on social media.
@@RenieNostalgic It did not go down the way Spin said it did. They gave her a verbal first (it is on the Ladies Night w/SWV episode 8), then the email which makes since. She was going to leave the group again anyway, she told Taj.
This is one of the most important lessons . I tryed too Teach my son about N an being young. thinking your friends are going to still be your friends 30 years from now over blood. I used to tell him you just like your mama always think N love you . They love you for what you got but I'm your daddy I always be around when them friends long and gone
They shouldn't have done Spin wrong. She the Grandmaster J of the group.
Jam master J of the group. U are so right.
She’s the DJ
You did a really good job with this video. I grow up looking up to this group....women empowerment group it gave so much courage. My favorite song is independent...to find out they would do they girl spin like that so sad. Take page out SWV book on how treat your sister. When you know better you do better. I will never look at them same nor support you again. Sad 😢😭😢
I Lost Respect of Salt n Pepa and Refuse to Support Anything they do they did Spinderella So Dirty n Evil and in my Honest Opinion this Group would be Nothing without her she was a Faithful DJ for many years and now they want to be greedy n outcast her and stop her from making money what goes around comes right back around.i personally think they are jealous of Spinderella.
I guess yall young & I'm revealing my age bc all hip hop heads of a certain age was well aware of Salt & Pepa minus Spin. They had (urban) hits like Tramp and Push It BRFORE Spinderella. They broke into a male dominated field, got record deals, established themselves as a respected act THEN Spin was added.
I get that she was part of their major sucess but she wasn't present in the building. She was added to a successful group that became more successful but not bc of her. No ones being shady or unfair. She's not an equal/original member.
Spin Verse on Whatta Man is the Highlight of the Song.
So why give the "hired help" a verse?
Whats the track playing in the background
Your fan still loves you Sinderella
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Spinderella was my favorite....
All three of them was beautiful Cinderella was beautiful all of them salt pepper that was just gorgeous they was doing their thing God bless every last one of them 💜❤️♥️💰💪💪💪🌹🙏🏿💗
Absolutely! All of them are beautiful.
Spinderella salt and pepa not pepper. Gotttttttttt
Really surprised this happened
Yes I’m still shocked about it.
I know I don’t get why they treating her like that
@@TiffanyChyvonne I seen a video don't remember the title but they acted like they couldn't stand her. Tbh maybe Spinderella had more fans more male attention 🤔..women can be extremely jealous and it manifests in many ways.
@@RenieNostalgic yes you are 🙁😕.
If you have cable go and watch episodes 6-8 of the reality show Ladies Night SnP w/SWV on BET. You'll get a clearer picture of how things were between them. You will also see Spin saw she was leaving the group but SnP got tired of her tantrums and let her go before she could say anything. They told her to her face. They were sad but it had to be done. Spin is not innocent. And ppl don't know she had left the group before. Why ask to come back if they were such horrible ppl and sign the same contract?
Facts
Wow, that, was fresh news for me.💜💜💜💜
I don't see where they did her wrong her @...There was a whole other Spinderella before her...How is she going to sue them over a name that wasn't originally her's...As far as they were concerned being Spinderella was a was job description...A role to fill....Even though I loved Spin in the group...I loved Sslt-N-Pepa before her...When it was the original Spinderrella....Nobody ever even knew she was replaced until someone noticed & said something...I remember very well...She even quit the group before to follow other aspirations...So like I said...I don't see where they did her wrong @ (My Opinion)
My thoughts were like really girl you knew what you signed up for and then you try to sue them for a name that is not yours crazy
@@missmounquiearmstead43 Exactly
They did her wrong! There's no justification for how they treated her!
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R.I.P. Mr Magic
Great video Renie, I never liked push it and neither did salt n peppa.
Salt and pepper are dead wrong to spin. I will never support salt and pepper without spin. Spin was a real DJ icon, the first black female. God doesn't like UGLY!!! Salt and pepper knew better than that. Period
salt and pape are so amazing
Firstly, I never knew that Salt-N-Pepa, Kid 'n Play, *and* Martin Lawrence worked together at Sears! That explains why Martin Lawrence was in the early House Party movies and that crappy Kid 'n Play cartoon.
Secondly, it's shitty how Salt and Pepa never really considered (the second but iconic) Spinderella a member of their group. DJ Run/Rev. Run and DMC always considered Jam Master Jay the third member of theit group before he became an official member. That's why they broke up the group when he got murdered. They reunite every now and then but they've said that they can never fully reform without Jay!
My mic sounds nice and that Dc GoGo beat 🔥!
Something similar happened with Jam Master,the label didn't sign him he got payed from shows that's why the group made songs featuring him as a f.u. to the label,that's why I believe the story how he died because he always had one foot in the street
I always liked spinerella . But the reality is she was a replacement at the time because having a dj was expected of rap groups of the day. But those Dj’s of the time actually created the beats and produced the tracks for the MC’s . They were integral to the group. I actually saw a show back in the day and I remember wondering why she was even there. I remember the music was pre recorded Salt and Pepa were actually rapping and Spinderella was spinning record on the turntable when the beats were playing straight through with no mixing. She looked like a prop.
Wow!
Exactly, she’s so overrated. She wasn’t actually djing until recently.
The way Salt N Pepa treated Spinderalla is sad and unfortunate. Spinderalla was a dynamic, integral part of the group and a legend in Hip Hop. Why do her like that? Very surprising of Salt / Cheryl as a "devout Christian" why be nasty to your fellow Black sister. Smh.
We don't really know the full ins and outs of the situation. Christians do what is right in God's eyes, not necessarily what is popular with humans.
I loved their long lived journey in music. Their strong and I’m 42 but I believe when I was 12/13 that’s when I heard let’s talk about sex. And lol that song couldn’t be played around me. Lol
I grew up in 80s loving all three members of Salt and Pepper. My Pakistani friend attended their concert in 80s in London and she loved it. Love to Spinderella
Spinderella first made her rapping debut on the Blacks Magic album (those songs just weren't released as singles).This was also the first album where she wrote and produced on. Its sad that money clouded SnP's judgement and resulted in them trying to discredit Spin's contributions to the group smh
She produced 1 song and didn’t write on any other songs
@@thabigcohuna you sure about that or should I run the credits? You talkin to a DIE HARD come back to life and DIE HARDER fan lol
@@jessified619 positive, I’m the biggest salt n Pepa fan from 85 to today
I like Spinderella, but she was not an integral part of the group. She was the DJ. The group is all about salt n peppa. People need to understand their roles.
Shut up. You misspelled Pepa and got Spin's name right.
That this is still not resolved is insanity. This era of hip hop is well aware of the importance of the MC + DJ and they shouldn’t be doing this to Spin. Disgusting.
Spin was my favorite member of Salt N Pepa…
Salt n peper was established b4 spin comes around,so to them she didn't made them,she came in N contributied, n made her mark,so salt N peper still would b wt out spin regardless.
Exactly! They didn't need her. She didn't write their music. And they were a duo before her. Why would they change things bc of her? She needs to be thanking them for the exposure that she got bc of them.
Did somebody already mention very special... Her and kane
I love your accent ❣️