you mean to tell us, they don't kick in at 70 mph on a straight interstate road and send you immediately across 4 lanes of oncoming traffic without warning like everybody on youtube says ? Amazing! :)
@@NONAME-kw3pu in over 20 years (closer to 30 years) of using various brands of lockers, I've never had that happen. Also, to shoot you into another lane implies 1 wheel has to turn faster than the other(s). What can happen is that in a very hard all the way to the stop of the steering wheel left or right turn, it can scoot like a 4wd does when in 4wd ... i.e., when making hard turns like when turning into a parking space in a parking lot at low speeds because then 1 wheel is turning faster than the other due to different turning radius's. Hope that clarifies.
Yeah, that's the absolutely best combination ever. The rear will help you even on rocky surfaces while the Torsen up front will let you steer. In mud and especially sand you are king. And if your Torsen is spring loaded with around 5kg (50 Newton) , no one will get places you go. Over the last 37 years I have tried most lockers and LSD's. Front and rear. And this combination got me the best results, in sand and mud, all over Southern Africa. Only on solid rock I got better results with Full locker rear and Spartan front! But 9 out of 10 times was the sand and mud which got me bogged down!
I have a 2003 Chevy Astro van and a 1995 Astro van all-wheel drive with a g80 locker in the rear and I'm looking for a torsion for the front, where do I order them
Why is everyone worried about noise they make haha most jeeps already make a shitload of noises haha just put a nice sound system and ignore it haha i just wanted an offroad review
in the rain the tires give in turns even locked so it is going to be an ez ride . it is drive pavement UNDER POWER that the LOCKERS LOCK or have a hard time differentiating/releasing the faster turning tire on the outside of turn. problems are when used in SHORT WHEELBASE Vehicles JEEP JEEPs and MANUAL transmission, per 4 Wheeler Magazine editor Rick Pewee (pay way)... the short wheelbase jeep jeep and manual trans will change lanes when shifting gears, very disconcerting to the uninitiated. so... dont let ppl drive it that are NOT GEARHEADs and can understand ... IT WILL CHANGE LANES ON YOU WHEN U SHIFT GEARS!!!!! get a feel for it before driving on highways... where MB 3's are uncomfortable to begin with over 45 mph with 5.88" gears.
Yes, you should let off the gas when turning if possible to make them unlock smoother/quieter. It is not required though. If accelerating through a turn, you will hear your tires chirping since the locker locks under power.
I learned how to drive woth a S10 4.3 with the factory G80. When yall say "be careful" are yall just referring to the oversteer from both rear tires spinning? Because thats fun, we can all agree right?
I've had a couple S10s with the g80 as well - see my cheap 4x4 series 1! But the one you have to be careful with is the front locker if you're not familiar with driving on them. The front locking up in low traction on road conditions can cause funky steering response or understeer momentarily. This causes some people to lose control when they quickly gain traction again
Hi BBuilder. I drive my jeep daily. my front is D30 open diff. I wanted to swap it with the locker (Aussie or Spartan) but after your first video (Spartan Lockers On The Road) I am worried to put it on. Don't you think it just got worn , therefore more quiet? Sorry for these questions, I am gathering the data and info about front lockers before installing one .
They get quieter with time as the gear oil works its way into every nook and cranny in the locker. They still perform incredibly off road and have never given me performance issues
Could you provide some info, please? First: what speed / road or weather conditions you can safely engage your 4H driving on the paved roads? Second: what speed / road or weather conditions you can safely drive with engaged 4H on paved roads? Asking these ?s because jeep is my daily driven car, and most amount of the mileage done on highways. Front is D30, rear is D44 diffs. Rear I do not plan to swap.
With the jeep you can engage 4hi up to 65 mph I believe, check your owner's manual for the exact number. I would only use 4x4 on paved roads if they become unpaved; for example, snow covered. Depending on where you live, you should almost never need 4x4 on pavement as long as you have good tires and drive properly for the conditions
Found out that Torkmasters now makes a Aussie locker for my 2001 Ford Explorer Sport .. it's a Dana 35 IFS .. Have a Detroit TrueTrak in the rear. The person I talked to at Torkmasters said that the front locker will only operate when I am in 4x4 otherwise it is inert in 2wd. Hope that's right. No matter if it's a bit noisy I'll live with it to have a locker in the front.
Have you driven them in the snow and ice when the roads get bad in 4Hi? I'm looking to get some front Lokka's for my Isuzu but I'm concerned with maneuvering around cars, deer etc..
I have a Lokka in the front of my 89 Trooper and absolutely love it. Of course, it only works when the front manual hubs are locked. I am watching this video to see if I want one in the rear as well. Beats spending $1700 on an ARB air locker.
From the driver seat, the rear has almost never made noise to me. It has always sounded like the front. I'll make a long term review in the coming weeks. But they almost NEVER make sound now. Only on rare occasions
This only confirms, my never to be humble opinion, that lunch box lockers do NOT belong on the street, in particular on vehicles in which you can't unlock front hubs. Not in the rear either. I also believe that they will cause stress and premature wear on tires, U joints and steering components. You said yourself that you have to change your driving habits and need to be more careful. You also said that the lockers make less noise now. Doesn't that indicate that something has changed, like wear? While I like the simplicity of them for off road use, I would not have them on the road. There are other options, albeit more expensive, that don't have any of the bad characteristics of these.
I haven't noticed any abnormal wear. Most of my tire wear is from off roading. But front and rear are wearing evenly, no weird bald spots or chunks missing
Hey man. Has the violent popping while turning from the last video gone away? Mine pops like crazy. It shakes the whole jeep and axle just like yours in the previous video.. it looks like yours is mostly gone now?? Is there a break in period for these? Thanks
Yes most of my popping went away after a couple months. They ended up being fairly quiet unless I was taking very sharp turns slowly in places like drive thrus or pulling into parking spots
coast thru turns, the diff will ratchet, not lock up... that is where the pops and bangs come from, going around turns under power locks the diff... somewhat and it has to fight to unlock when going around turns under power.
They will always eat the tires up more than stock, simply because every now and then they'll give some resistance that stock spider gears won't do. But the longer they're in the better they get. Just keep up with tire rotations and you'll be fine
So looking to do the same. my question is, in 2wd does the front end/steering act normal? I know in four wheel it can get crazy in snow or even ice. Does it steer normal in 2wd? And have you had it pop in and scare you?
@@Airon0727 If you have part time 4WD and manual hubs, the lokka does not do anything while in 2WD. When I am in 2WD driving around town, my lokka is not engaged as the front axles are not turning.
you mean to tell us, they don't kick in at 70 mph on a straight interstate road and send you immediately across 4 lanes of oncoming traffic without warning like everybody on youtube says ? Amazing! :)
manual trans short wheelbase jeeps will change lanes , per article i read in petersons 4 wheel drive/4 wheeler . very disconcerting to the uninitiated
@@NONAME-kw3pu in over 20 years (closer to 30 years) of using various brands of lockers, I've never had that happen. Also, to shoot you into another lane implies 1 wheel has to turn faster than the other(s). What can happen is that in a very hard all the way to the stop of the steering wheel left or right turn, it can scoot like a 4wd does when in 4wd ... i.e., when making hard turns like when turning into a parking space in a parking lot at low speeds because then 1 wheel is turning faster than the other due to different turning radius's. Hope that clarifies.
Thanks for this. Im about to do some lockrights on the rear of my dakota and been reading horror stories and havent been sure but now seeing this 👍🏽👍🏽
Did you do the rear? How does it handle?
"Other drivers are the killer in the rain." 4 seconds later Soccer Mom almost jumps out in front of you...lol
I have a 4x4 g30 van I converted into a camper. Spartan locker in the rear and a torsen in the front. It's like a mountain goat.
Yeah, that's the absolutely best combination ever. The rear will help you even on rocky surfaces while the Torsen up front will let you steer. In mud and especially sand you are king. And if your Torsen is spring loaded with around 5kg (50 Newton) , no one will get places you go. Over the last 37 years I have tried most lockers and LSD's. Front and rear. And this combination got me the best results, in sand and mud, all over Southern Africa. Only on solid rock I got better results with Full locker rear and Spartan front! But 9 out of 10 times was the sand and mud which got me bogged down!
I have a 2003 Chevy Astro van and a 1995 Astro van all-wheel drive with a g80 locker in the rear and I'm looking for a torsion for the front, where do I order them
"Speed up through this corner and its just fine...." RPMs drop 1k lol
See I can’t wait to have mine for the fact that in the rain she’ll spin and eat lmao 😂
Nice video. Was thinking about running a set on my wife's Xj. This will help with some concerns we had.
Thanks for this. I installed a Spartan locker in rear of WJ and it’s loud and clicking. Will drive it for a while.
Why is everyone worried about noise they make haha most jeeps already make a shitload of noises haha just put a nice sound system and ignore it haha i just wanted an offroad review
Hows it holding up?
Flags are facing the wrong direction
in the rain the tires give in turns even locked so it is going to be an ez ride . it is drive pavement UNDER POWER that the LOCKERS LOCK or have a hard time differentiating/releasing the faster turning tire on the outside of turn. problems are when used in SHORT WHEELBASE Vehicles JEEP JEEPs and MANUAL transmission, per 4 Wheeler Magazine editor Rick Pewee (pay way)... the short wheelbase jeep jeep and manual trans will change lanes when shifting gears, very disconcerting to the uninitiated. so... dont let ppl drive it that are NOT GEARHEADs and can understand ... IT WILL CHANGE LANES ON YOU WHEN U SHIFT GEARS!!!!! get a feel for it before driving on highways... where MB 3's are uncomfortable to begin with over 45 mph with 5.88" gears.
Good Sipes means alot. No one ever talks about that
So it's like full time 4wd? How your mileage affected I'm looking a a xj with front and rear lockers like these
Have you ever had any shortcomings due to pulling with your front bumper? I’ve been looking at one but I’m just not sure how strong they are
Do you need to let out the gas to turn or does it basically act like an open differential while turning? Does it vary with how much power you give it
Yes, you should let off the gas when turning if possible to make them unlock smoother/quieter. It is not required though. If accelerating through a turn, you will hear your tires chirping since the locker locks under power.
I learned how to drive woth a S10 4.3 with the factory G80. When yall say "be careful" are yall just referring to the oversteer from both rear tires spinning? Because thats fun, we can all agree right?
I've had a couple S10s with the g80 as well - see my cheap 4x4 series 1! But the one you have to be careful with is the front locker if you're not familiar with driving on them. The front locking up in low traction on road conditions can cause funky steering response or understeer momentarily. This causes some people to lose control when they quickly gain traction again
So the pops and bangs from the last video just went away ????
They go away with time as the gear oil gets into every little spot in the locker
How were they in the winter time for daily driving ?
Did you make a video for the front and back installation?
Hi BBuilder. I drive my jeep daily. my front is D30 open diff. I wanted to swap it with the locker (Aussie or Spartan) but after your first video (Spartan Lockers On The Road) I am worried to put it on. Don't you think it just got worn , therefore more quiet? Sorry for these questions, I am gathering the data and info about front lockers before installing one .
They get quieter with time as the gear oil works its way into every nook and cranny in the locker. They still perform incredibly off road and have never given me performance issues
Could you provide some info, please? First: what speed / road or weather conditions you can safely engage your 4H driving on the paved roads? Second: what speed / road or weather conditions you can safely drive with engaged 4H on paved roads?
Asking these ?s because jeep is my daily driven car, and most amount of the mileage done on highways. Front is D30, rear is D44 diffs. Rear I do not plan to swap.
With the jeep you can engage 4hi up to 65 mph I believe, check your owner's manual for the exact number. I would only use 4x4 on paved roads if they become unpaved; for example, snow covered. Depending on where you live, you should almost never need 4x4 on pavement as long as you have good tires and drive properly for the conditions
@@BackyardBuilder513
Thanks
can't wait to put mine in!
How’s the steering with the front locker after a few months of driving, is still jumping back to center like it did in your first video?
The longer I have them in the more normal and behaved they seem to be
Where’d you get the taillight they look good
They're just the stock tail lights tinted black and an Amazon special 3rd brake light
Theres a lot of 2nd gen rams in that town haha
How do they do on the interstate?
They do fine I can do 80+ with them
Found out that Torkmasters now makes a Aussie locker for my 2001 Ford Explorer Sport .. it's a Dana 35 IFS .. Have a Detroit TrueTrak in the rear. The person I talked to at Torkmasters said that the front locker will only operate when I am in 4x4 otherwise it is inert in 2wd. Hope that's right. No matter if it's a bit noisy I'll live with it to have a locker in the front.
How are those lockers going now? Have you ever had any problems with them ?
Nope never had any issues with them, they're still working perfect
Have you driven them in the snow and ice when the roads get bad in 4Hi? I'm looking to get some front Lokka's for my Isuzu but I'm concerned with maneuvering around cars, deer etc..
I haven't had the chance to go through snow with them, we haven't gotten enough in the past 2 years to stick go the road at all.
I have a Lokka in the front of my 89 Trooper and absolutely love it. Of course, it only works when the front manual hubs are locked. I am watching this video to see if I want one in the rear as well. Beats spending $1700 on an ARB air locker.
How did you get the hard pop you were having to stop?
Over time as the gear oil lubricates over every single surface they get quieter and quieter. They almost never make noise for me now
How much for the comanche
Waiting for the 6 months review. Specialy aboute the rear locker pops. Do you think it become more quiet after 6 months driving ?
From the driver seat, the rear has almost never made noise to me. It has always sounded like the front. I'll make a long term review in the coming weeks. But they almost NEVER make sound now. Only on rare occasions
How about ice?
This only confirms, my never to be humble opinion, that lunch box lockers do NOT belong on the street, in particular on vehicles in which you can't unlock front hubs. Not in the rear either. I also believe that they will cause stress and premature wear on tires, U joints and steering components.
You said yourself that you have to change your driving habits and need to be more careful.
You also said that the lockers make less noise now. Doesn't that indicate that something has changed, like wear?
While I like the simplicity of them for off road use, I would not have them on the road.
There are other options, albeit more expensive, that don't have any of the bad characteristics of these.
How's your tire wear so far?
I haven't noticed any abnormal wear. Most of my tire wear is from off roading. But front and rear are wearing evenly, no weird bald spots or chunks missing
Thanks I installed on in front and was worried about putting in the rear, do you have a dan's 35
No I have the 8.25
Have you tried it in the snow??
I can not decide, automatic lockers or TrueTracs.
I have not, we haven't gotten any snow that sticks yet around here
Hey man. Has the violent popping while turning from the last video gone away? Mine pops like crazy. It shakes the whole jeep and axle just like yours in the previous video.. it looks like yours is mostly gone now?? Is there a break in period for these? Thanks
Yes most of my popping went away after a couple months. They ended up being fairly quiet unless I was taking very sharp turns slowly in places like drive thrus or pulling into parking spots
coast thru turns, the diff will ratchet, not lock up... that is where the pops and bangs come from, going around turns under power locks the diff... somewhat and it has to fight to unlock when going around turns under power.
@NO NAME I ended up having a bad locker. Aussie warrantied it and I'm enjoying nearly silent operation now
"A lot of you guys will drive normal and sensibly"
lol hmmmmmmmm
How many miles have u put on them??
About 4,000 miles
@@BackyardBuilder513 cool just ordered my set.
Do you think that now that they're breaking in and getting quieter, do you think it would ease up on eating the tires too or not at all for the front?
They will always eat the tires up more than stock, simply because every now and then they'll give some resistance that stock spider gears won't do. But the longer they're in the better they get. Just keep up with tire rotations and you'll be fine
Backyard Builder how much faster do you think they’ll wear down tires?
So looking to do the same. my question is, in 2wd does the front end/steering act normal? I know in four wheel it can get crazy in snow or even ice. Does it steer normal in 2wd? And have you had it pop in and scare you?
It steers a little different than stock but nothing that has been dangerous or startled me while driving
Someone said in another video that it won’t be engaged if it’s in 2wd
@@Airon0727 If you have part time 4WD and manual hubs, the lokka does not do anything while in 2WD. When I am in 2WD driving around town, my lokka is not engaged as the front axles are not turning.
stock ca on a lift??
My lift was just coil springs, add a leaf, and shocks. Everything else front end is stock
You're flag decals are on backwards
long history short.. dont drive like an a-hole and you are set (mostly) good video
Inclement weather like this. You just lost all credibility. Its called light rain.
Turn your flag decals around Chief, very disrespectful