I always enjoy videos like these, I have a torqlocker in the front of my CanAm sxs. It was hands down the best upgrade I have spent money on, for that machine.
Installed a powertrax Lock right in my 1999 Durango with 91/4 diff. So far it has been a fantastic upgrade. There is a spec on the c-clip axle I missed when reading the manual which require me to take it back apart after hearing binding noise on right turns. Simple fix. So far rode manners are fantastic, works best when you coast tight turns. But other then that I drive it like normal. Haven’t had a chance to off road it yet just some mud stuff and it did great. The wife drives the truck and doesn’t even notice it. Trucks on 32” with 2inch lift.
Wow this is what I been wanting to hear about. We live in the NW mountain as above the snow line and have a year round challenge on the trail up to our cabin. Many challenges. Actually right now we are snow bound.Groan.
That was a nice video. I love the easy install and you drove on wet pavement right away which answered those issues having a locker on street roads in those conditions. That one little mud hill my XJ would not have been able to do that so I’m going to look into this more. I also did not hear any loud clicking noise during the video. Yes- Matt’s Off Road Recovery I’m a fan too. I also make the XJ storage bag which you will see sometimes in his videos.
Thanks for the feedback. It’s really amazing how much more capable your Jeep becomes with lockers front and rear. And that’s awesome about the bags! Got a link?
I run a torque masters front Aussie locker in my d30. After making that upgrade, it's the most important upgrade I've ever made. Not to mention the price is so fricken slow, there's no excuse not to have one. Nobody can touch these for the price, and it's quality made USA parts AAAAND their customer service is incredible. I hit them up for a lot of clunking noises, and they handed me to a professional differential expert that sent me photos, diag points, and offered a warranty if nothing else would fix it. Go get you one and lock it up 🤟🏻
Watch our “polishing a turd” video for instructions on installing a non C-clip TORQ locker (in a Dana 30 but will be more similar to your Dana install in the JKU)
Nice Vid! I wish I went with the TORQ instead of the Powertrax No-Slip w/ all it's extra parts, could have saved $$$ and probably wouldn't have noticed much of a difference... First time I drove a Jeep with a rear lunchbox I thought it was gonna be a nightmare due to internet comments like "random lane changes". I have noticed thought, breaking into turns has a similar effect as accelerating out of turns (locking/ unlocking), makes sense if you think about it. Now that I've had 2 different lunchbox lockers in the rear of my XJ, (Spartan then Powertrax) they seem to both behave very similar; great on and off road... A friend of mine said "I wouldn't have even known there was a locker in it if you hadn't told me", after driving it. They're not as bad as people make em out to be. Definitely noticable in the snow but just barely (I don't know anything about front autos on-road and in snow but I feel like it wouldn't be that bad)
The lunchboc locker (Spartan) I installed in my ZJ has been one of the best upgrades I have done next to the lift and tires. It does great off-road. It is a little noisy, but this is a trail Jeep. The only bad thing about the Dana 44a is the lack of locker options, so its either lunchbox or ARB.
its only noisy because NO LOCKER INSTRUCTIONS ever tell you to use red axle grease and grease the entire assembly BEFORE you install it.... centrifugal force would dictate that the axle gear oil will NEVER get to the center of the locker... so it never gets any lube... LUBE IT WITH AXLE GREASE! I HAVE 10,000 MILES ON A SPARTAN AND IT IS SILENT, WHEEL LOCK TO LOCK TURNING AROUND ON A DIME, NO CLICKING OR CLANKING.
I was one of the first ones to get the TORQ Locker when they came out. Threw it in my TJ’s D30 and wheeled the heck out of it. They perform just like an e-locker or air locker while the Jeeps in 4wd, and only “ratchet” in 2WD if the steering wheel at full lock. I wouldn’t recommend having one set up in the rear since the rear is always under power and will result in some strange driving characteristics. I enjoy the videos you put out and love your TDI XJ!!
Grease is only used for initial set up of the locker and will get washed out by the axles gear oil. Running a higher viscosity gear oil, a thicker cover, or turning your radio to max blast are the only ways you’ll combat the ratching noise.
@@terraforge_motorsports yea, you must be right cause what would I know with my two jeeps with over 10,000 miles on each and a spartan in both of em.... if only people had the common sense to click on someones name and see their videos showing they aren't just talking out their azz like most people.... ahem... looking at you.
Pull the carrier out and see for yourself. And I fail to see how you having a RUclips channel and only putting 20,000 miles behind the wheel of your Jeep translates into any credible knowledge. I do this for a living and have an understanding of how components are engineered and the way they operate. If you feel like your 400+ videos that average 50 views each make you a professional then I’m sorry for anyone who mistakes them for having any merit. In all honesty do you have any mechanical experience or do you just get your knowledge watching someone else do the work on RUclips and then just regurgitate that information? Next time I’m in the market of having my Cyber Truck LS swapped on BeamNGdrive I’ll be sure to contact you. 😂
Man, I love those action shots of the XJ, Jon. The wheels and tire carrier really set it apart. I do have to say I have reservations regarding getting a lunchbox locker for my Ranger. I daily it for fun and work and I don't care about clicking noises, but I do not want a bunch of hopping or any binding. Any extra opinions and experiences beyond the tests in the video are welcome.
I do feel like it's likely a bit of a different scenario running one in a pickup truck. I have no experience with that setup but it seems the back end being lighter would play into some less desirable handling characteristics. Unless of course your truck is set up that it is more balanced with a constant load in the bed, I'm not sure. I still have not had a chance to drive it on snowy/icy roads (unfortunately was out of town last time we had snow coming down) but I have had it in deep off road snow and it behaved exactly as anticipated, no surprises. I'll be sure to run out and shoot a little segment to post on Instagram at the first opportunity!
@@DRTJon The difference in it being a pickup was one of my concerns, yes. I guess I'll have to do a bit more research before I pull the trigger. I'll post my findings on here for the benefit of anyone else reading this with the same concerns for a pickup.
Recognized the stretch of 61 you were driving as you closed out your video. I live about 5 minutes from there. Would love to go wheeling sometime if your going up that way again. Looked like maybe the St. Clair area? I'm running open diffs at present, so some of what you were on would be a challenge for the Bumble Jeep. Hoping to get lockers installed soon. God bless stay well.
Great video. Thank you. It has been a year, how are the lockers holding up. My XJ is 90% daily drive and 10% off-road. Can a lunchbox locker perform well in both environments? A 4x4 without lockers is a 2 wheel drive when you need 4 wheel drive the most. Thanks again!
I had an Aussie locker in the front (D30) of my TJ. Loved it. I don't think I would install a locker in the rear unless it was selectable because of the tire wear.
@@FISHBREATHH I assume you did not have lockout hubs? I ask as I am thinking of putting one in the front of my 1993 XJ which does not have a front axle disconnect. Thanks!
The c clips definitely can be frustrating to install; just wait til you have to take them back out! Are you running stock shafts in the rear? I haven’t upgraded yet but the 29 spline 8.25 has held up to being locked on 35s for me...
Hopefully my F-250 will get a lunchbox locker out back sooner than later. The insight of this video was very helpful both from the installation aspect and the driving characteristics side. I'm cheap as can be and will probably go the most affordable route I can but options are a bit limited for my big truck.
In the video I didn't notice the loud clicking noise on turns normally associated with these types of lockers. You mention you didn't notice the ratcheting noise in your comments. Now that you've driven longer with it, do you hear the loud clicking (ratcheting) sound when you turn on pavement? Does it make the sound more on dry pavement versus wet?
I always wondered how these unlock. It looks like the side to side movement of the axles when going around turns actually does it unlocking the outside tire. On c clip axles anyway. and the cross shaft pressure keeps it locked in under load
@@chadalcock7275 If you have no plans to go larger than a 35" tire, you can install a Super35 kit in the Dana 35 and have a highly reliable, locked rear end.
There seems to be a few different branded versions of these. In Australia, they advertise Aussie Lokka. I'm thinking of put one in my front diff - which is an open diff. My rear diff is a LSD. The lokka would only be engaged when I engage 4wd.
This is exactly my aetup. Front Aussie locker, sloppy lsd rear. Im about to put an 8.25 into mine and contemplating a locker for it too. The front bangs under part load when steering which I believe is normal but the clicking when free-wheeling is much softer and not a problem. Just nervous that its gonna bang in the rear too
@@DRTJon here's the pin. Its pretty ruff. There's 2 ways short and hard to the right or long and hard to the left lol Dropped pin Near New Castle Township, PA maps.app.goo.gl/6uytas6j42UBaMQFA
@@eastcoastriders1267 Is FRO organized like Rausch Creek, or is it more of a collection of trails on private land that you need a membership to ride? I'm in Harrisburg and have been to Rausch a few times. Always interested in finding people to wheel with. I'm not from the area and don't know anyone else who wheels around here.
It's simple to install after it's all been set, that is what I would suggest! BTW you can still follow my adventures with the Spool Bus, just click on my user name 🙂
My dad ran lock rites front and rear in his XJ, we came up to a red light with ice on one set of wheels and dry pavement on the other set..... it broke the heads off of almost every bolt holding the crown gear on! we turned around and went home lol
B.s, why would it break all the bolts off the ring gear? Did you guys change a gear set and did a little too many rat a tat tat's on the bolts with an impact?
@@Kmecha84 nope, not sure why they let go. it was a lock rite in a D30, so the ring gear wasn't touched. It was a strange break and probably would never happen again.
Where do I get this locker and price?? Also if my Dana 44 has TrakLok in it will this locker install in it?? Very important question. Thanks Dandahermit
Hi BleepinJeep. I gave a TJ wish DANA44 LSD rear axle. My LSD shows signs if being dead soon, and I started to look for the replacement option. It is my daily driving car. Would it be a good option to swap diff to TORQ launchbox diff? Is it safe to drive the self locking lunchbox diff on highways all weather condition?
its ok on the highway but the LSD carrier is different than a standard carrier which means getting a new carrier and setting up gears again. For that reason I would just have someone repair or replace the LSD clutches and be done with it.
Great stuff. Quick question before i place the order, u mentioned that for a daily is better to do it in the front, Would it destroy my mud tires since they front tires turn left and right all the time or would it be better in the rear since they dont turn as much??? And since im here, how do u like them skyjackers 8000? I need shocks asap skyjackers 8000 or max black? Thanks bud
is your jeep a daily driver or just take it out during snow and mud? I'm working on my moms XJ 1990 jeep lerado with 8.25 rear that is a daily driver . I was thinking of a limited slip especially for tight cornering
I daily drove it for about 40,000 miles but now I just use it for adventures. Still a lot of road driving with that though! I don't know that I'd put an auto locker in my Mom's Jeep though.... it does change driving characteristics a bit and someone who doesn't care about the benefits of a locker might not like it. I'm not part of BleepinJeep anymore but you can still follow my adventures with the Spool Bus, just click on my user name 🙂
I have the same one on my XJ, is it normal that when I drive and let go of the gas it makes a noice and ones I step on the gas it stops. Is it that I need to replace the locker or just the spring or is that normal?
It’s been two years, are you still running those same lockers? Also in the video, were you only in 2WD going up the hills, or in 4WD? How is the handling on dry pavement at highway speeds 75 mph up? Thanks for your video
I have a 1999 dodge ram 1500 4x4 I was thinking about putting one in the front Dana 44 low pinion I don't know if it would hold up to 35s 250hp and it weighs 7000 lb what do you think and a little sand and mud I don't do rock climbing
what front axle are you running John? did i spot locking hubs? have you driven the xj in snow with the lunchbox in the front yet? im in michigan obviously so snow performance is a biggie for me, i want all the traction i can get, but i dont want to feel that front diff, (ie) torque steer. im torn between the volvo g80 locker, a detroit locker torsen LSD, and a LB style locker, the LSD is about 150-200$ more than the lunchbox, the volvo is about the same $ or less than the LB style lockers depending on where you get one from.
Might be a dumb question. But what is keeping the c clips in? I know on the old gears there is a little channel they sit in and the cross pin cheeps them in place. But I didn’t see a channel on the new parts. Is it the same?
The Torq kit does not come with a new center pin, is this ever a problem? Some other kits do include a new center pin. Not sure why the difference in kit components.
I got a front Aussie in my d30. It's pretty awesome, but unlocked it CAN break traction in the snow. It's not a garunte, but if it doesn't wanna ratchet it's gonna spin
@@Axle347 thanks man. Some are smoother than others on the street. I can unlock the hubs so 2wd is no concern but it's my deep snow vehicle. We get one occasionally around here.
@@jeepindave5464 all things considered, it's not bad in the snow. I know it's up there in 2wd, but overall it isn't noticable unless you're looking for it
It is unlocked when coasting only. Any acceleration (torque input on the pinion) and it's fully locked. For me with a manual transmission I just put it in neutral or fully depress the clutch--as often as possible--when making tight turns on pavement. Off road I almost never wish it was unlocked.
The driving characteristics are slightly altered overall, but my feeling is it is MORE predictable in every situation. It is just a matter of learning how it is different and adapting your habits. Not wrong or bad, just different.
Hey I have a 99 keep Cherokee xj that has stalling issues can you help me figure it out all ignition has been changed it’s a choking feeling on the throttle and eventually after turning it off for a few it kicks back on to drive. Also the whole fuel system has been replaced as well and it’s getting good pressure. No burning gas smell neither. Do you think my manifold gasket is cracked or a bad o2 sensor. Please let me know if you can.
I have the same rear diff. I purchased the same locker from Torq and I noticed the thrust washers didn't fit so I tried dry fitting it after removing the gears and it wouldn't fit, it was to big. Any ideas?
Yes but you can only hear it from the outside with my diesel rattling LOL. I have had it pop loudly two or 3 times but that’s just it camming back in under load (after a hard turn on pavement)
I like that you got a Matt's Offroad recovery coat on.
Us yellow XJs gotta stick together 😎🤙🏻
And hat!
Got my Matt's yankum rope on order already too
Yellow xj, beard,hat, coat,.....number 1 matt fan lol
MORR is such a great channel from such a down to earth guy. Fab Rats, too.
I always enjoy videos like these, I have a torqlocker in the front of my CanAm sxs. It was hands down the best upgrade I have spent money on, for that machine.
Thanks for the video! I watched this about a dozen times before I set out to install mine. It came in super handy!
Awesome so glad it helped!
Installed a powertrax Lock right in my 1999 Durango with 91/4 diff. So far it has been a fantastic upgrade. There is a spec on the c-clip axle I missed when reading the manual which require me to take it back apart after hearing binding noise on right turns. Simple fix. So far rode manners are fantastic, works best when you coast tight turns. But other then that I drive it like normal. Haven’t had a chance to off road it yet just some mud stuff and it did great. The wife drives the truck and doesn’t even notice it.
Trucks on 32” with 2inch lift.
I like the look of the steele wheels.
My man John right there!
*Dirt Road Therapy Jon* Hahaha how you been Dan?
@@DirtRoadTherapy Crazy busy lately... trying to get back to jeep life!
Wow this is what I been wanting to hear about. We live in the NW mountain as above the snow line and have a year round challenge on the trail up to our cabin. Many challenges. Actually right now we are snow bound.Groan.
That was a nice video. I love the easy install and you drove on wet pavement right away which answered those issues having a locker on street roads in those conditions. That one little mud hill my XJ would not have been able to do that so I’m going to look into this more. I also did not hear any loud clicking noise during the video.
Yes- Matt’s Off Road Recovery I’m a fan too. I also make the XJ storage bag which you will see sometimes in his videos.
Thanks for the feedback. It’s really amazing how much more capable your Jeep becomes with lockers front and rear.
And that’s awesome about the bags! Got a link?
@@DRTJon www.ebay.com/itm/Jeep-Cherokee-XJ-rear-storage-bag-Grey-/233698168429?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
I run a torque masters front Aussie locker in my d30. After making that upgrade, it's the most important upgrade I've ever made. Not to mention the price is so fricken slow, there's no excuse not to have one. Nobody can touch these for the price, and it's quality made USA parts AAAAND their customer service is incredible. I hit them up for a lot of clunking noises, and they handed me to a professional differential expert that sent me photos, diag points, and offered a warranty if nothing else would fix it. Go get you one and lock it up 🤟🏻
That’s AWESOME
I don’t get it, why are they called Aussie lockers when they are made in America? 🤔
@@officialWWM I belive the design what first created in aus
@@Axle347 ahh, that makes sense.
I have spartan locker in my 8.1/4 jeep xj I want too put in front too how is your experience on road driving with front and rear lunchbox locker?
This video came in clutch, ordered mine yesterday can't wait to put it on my JKU!
Watch our “polishing a turd” video for instructions on installing a non C-clip TORQ locker (in a Dana 30 but will be more similar to your Dana install in the JKU)
@@DRTJon Will do thanks!
Good timing. Just got BOTH my lockers in the mail today.
How they holding up mate?
You should always use locktite on that pin bolt that holds the carrier shaft in place. They’re known to back out and cause havoc!
Matt (from Utah) has more trouble with ring gear bolts. bwahaha When they fell out it almost made him cuss.
Would you recommend the blue or the red ones?
@@hrantconstructioninc.6518red
Ok boys can we get another cheap Jeep challenge on the go ? I need more of that series in my life right now
Hmm a northeast version? 🤔
Nice Vid! I wish I went with the TORQ instead of the Powertrax No-Slip w/ all it's extra parts, could have saved $$$ and probably wouldn't have noticed much of a difference... First time I drove a Jeep with a rear lunchbox I thought it was gonna be a nightmare due to internet comments like "random lane changes". I have noticed thought, breaking into turns has a similar effect as accelerating out of turns (locking/ unlocking), makes sense if you think about it. Now that I've had 2 different lunchbox lockers in the rear of my XJ, (Spartan then Powertrax) they seem to both behave very similar; great on and off road... A friend of mine said "I wouldn't have even known there was a locker in it if you hadn't told me", after driving it. They're not as bad as people make em out to be. Definitely noticable in the snow but just barely (I don't know anything about front autos on-road and in snow but I feel like it wouldn't be that bad)
The lunchboc locker (Spartan) I installed in my ZJ has been one of the best upgrades I have done next to the lift and tires. It does great off-road. It is a little noisy, but this is a trail Jeep. The only bad thing about the Dana 44a is the lack of locker options, so its either lunchbox or ARB.
its only noisy because NO LOCKER INSTRUCTIONS ever tell you to use red axle grease and grease the entire assembly BEFORE you install it.... centrifugal force would dictate that the axle gear oil will NEVER get to the center of the locker... so it never gets any lube... LUBE IT WITH AXLE GREASE! I HAVE 10,000 MILES ON A SPARTAN AND IT IS SILENT, WHEEL LOCK TO LOCK TURNING AROUND ON A DIME, NO CLICKING OR CLANKING.
@@pawpatina
Thank you
@@pawpatina Thank you, I've watched numerus install videos and no mention of lubing the whole locker assembly.
@@andypastore3299 no problem. we just sold a jeep that had over 8,000 miles on the locker install. still silent.
I was one of the first ones to get the TORQ Locker when they came out. Threw it in my TJ’s D30 and wheeled the heck out of it. They perform just like an e-locker or air locker while the Jeeps in 4wd, and only “ratchet” in 2WD if the steering wheel at full lock. I wouldn’t recommend having one set up in the rear since the rear is always under power and will result in some strange driving characteristics. I enjoy the videos you put out and love your TDI XJ!!
grease it first and you won't ever hear it.
Grease is only used for initial set up of the locker and will get washed out by the axles gear oil. Running a higher viscosity gear oil, a thicker cover, or turning your radio to max blast are the only ways you’ll combat the ratching noise.
@@terraforge_motorsports yea, you must be right cause what would I know with my two jeeps with over 10,000 miles on each and a spartan in both of em.... if only people had the common sense to click on someones name and see their videos showing they aren't just talking out their azz like most people.... ahem... looking at you.
Pull the carrier out and see for yourself. And I fail to see how you having a RUclips channel and only putting 20,000 miles behind the wheel of your Jeep translates into any credible knowledge. I do this for a living and have an understanding of how components are engineered and the way they operate. If you feel like your 400+ videos that average 50 views each make you a professional then I’m sorry for anyone who mistakes them for having any merit. In all honesty do you have any mechanical experience or do you just get your knowledge watching someone else do the work on RUclips and then just regurgitate that information? Next time I’m in the market of having my Cyber Truck LS swapped on BeamNGdrive I’ll be sure to contact you. 😂
@@terraforge_motorsports no one would ever let an a****** work on their rig. And why does everybody that has the most knowledge a jerk?
Man, I love those action shots of the XJ, Jon. The wheels and tire carrier really set it apart. I do have to say I have reservations regarding getting a lunchbox locker for my Ranger. I daily it for fun and work and I don't care about clicking noises, but I do not want a bunch of hopping or any binding. Any extra opinions and experiences beyond the tests in the video are welcome.
I do feel like it's likely a bit of a different scenario running one in a pickup truck. I have no experience with that setup but it seems the back end being lighter would play into some less desirable handling characteristics. Unless of course your truck is set up that it is more balanced with a constant load in the bed, I'm not sure. I still have not had a chance to drive it on snowy/icy roads (unfortunately was out of town last time we had snow coming down) but I have had it in deep off road snow and it behaved exactly as anticipated, no surprises. I'll be sure to run out and shoot a little segment to post on Instagram at the first opportunity!
@@DRTJon The difference in it being a pickup was one of my concerns, yes. I guess I'll have to do a bit more research before I pull the trigger. I'll post my findings on here for the benefit of anyone else reading this with the same concerns for a pickup.
People like to dog the lunchbox, but I loved mine in the Dana 30 ran it for 6+ years before I started my axle swaps!
You made it look so easy I was nervous just watching 😬
I always enjoy hearing talk about snow and freezing weather from a guy in a Joshua Tree t-shirt...lol
Recognized the stretch of 61 you were driving as you closed out your video. I live about 5 minutes from there. Would love to go wheeling sometime if your going up that way again. Looked like maybe the St. Clair area? I'm running open diffs at present, so some of what you were on would be a challenge for the Bumble Jeep. Hoping to get lockers installed soon. God bless stay well.
Ordering mine now... Thanks!!
Great video. Thank you. It has been a year, how are the lockers holding up. My XJ is 90% daily drive and 10% off-road. Can a lunchbox locker perform well in both environments?
A 4x4 without lockers is a 2 wheel drive when you need 4 wheel drive the most.
Thanks again!
I still love them and run them on and off road. You can follow my current adventures by clicking on my user name 🤗
I had an Aussie locker in the front (D30) of my TJ. Loved it. I don't think I would install a locker in the rear unless it was selectable because of the tire wear.
Did you not get the same tire wear in the front?
@@jacobh.7076 no, you only get the extra wear in front when you are in 4 wheel drive
@@FISHBREATHH I assume you did not have lockout hubs? I ask as I am thinking of putting one in the front of my 1993 XJ which does not have a front axle disconnect. Thanks!
Nice work Jon!
Just put Spartan Lockers my ZJ still working on it slowly but surely!
Ive had one in the back of my f150 for years, ford 8.8, its handled about 300,000 miles of towing, off road, and abuse. Still going.
Does it chirp while turning? Im thinking of putting one in my 12 burb...
@@king21w48 no it makes a clicking sound. But does not make the tires slip
I installed one 20 + years ago in my Toyota made by Detroit called a lok-right I still drive it daily
DID YOU have to tune any thing on the jeep after adding the locker
The c clips definitely can be frustrating to install; just wait til you have to take them back out!
Are you running stock shafts in the rear? I haven’t upgraded yet but the 29 spline 8.25 has held up to being locked on 35s for me...
Ok so are you testing with the torque locker in both diffs or just the rear?? Thanks Dandahermit
Super cool wish I knew about this sooner
Very Important question. Can you install that locker without removing the carrier ? Thanks. Dandahermit.
What tool is that you're inserting the second c clip with?? Can I buy one or diy? Dandahermit
Hopefully my F-250 will get a lunchbox locker out back sooner than later. The insight of this video was very helpful both from the installation aspect and the driving characteristics side. I'm cheap as can be and will probably go the most affordable route I can but options are a bit limited for my big truck.
In the video I didn't notice the loud clicking noise on turns normally associated with these types of lockers. You mention you didn't notice the ratcheting noise in your comments. Now that you've driven longer with it, do you hear the loud clicking (ratcheting) sound when you turn on pavement? Does it make the sound more on dry pavement versus wet?
I don’t hear it over the diesel LOL. I can hear it if I listen for it the only sound I ever notice when not specifically listening for it is tire bark
Great information. In your opinion if a guy only had the money for one locker, would you go front or rear first?
Most people choose a front locker first. No clicking with daily driving, locker to help pull you over obstacles.
I'd say front also
Can we get a walk around on this Jeep? It looks super cool
Yes! You can look forward to one from me very soon 😎
Is it unlocked during normal driving and sharp turns?
I always wondered how these unlock. It looks like the side to side movement of the axles when going around turns actually does it unlocking the outside tire. On c clip axles anyway. and the cross shaft pressure keeps it locked in under load
They do not truly unlock. They ratchet when there is a differential in wheel speed.
Great and inexpensive mod. There is no point in having a four wheel drive that is not four wheel drive.
I need to get lockers but don't want to put money into a Dana 35.
@@chadalcock7275 If you have no plans to go larger than a 35" tire, you can install a Super35 kit in the Dana 35 and have a highly reliable, locked rear end.
@@long-jeep That would be cool, but it has other issues too.
Easy swap to bolt in an 8.25
I have 2004 Quadra Trac V-8.
Nice hat!
There seems to be a few different branded versions of these. In Australia, they advertise Aussie Lokka.
I'm thinking of put one in my front diff - which is an open diff. My rear diff is a LSD. The lokka would only be engaged when I engage 4wd.
This is exactly my aetup. Front Aussie locker, sloppy lsd rear.
Im about to put an 8.25 into mine and contemplating a locker for it too.
The front bangs under part load when steering which I believe is normal but the clicking when free-wheeling is much softer and not a problem.
Just nervous that its gonna bang in the rear too
good job, video is informitive thank you.
Awesome your in my neck of the woods. I ride FRO alot. Sxs and my zr2.
I just started exploring it this year and really enjoy it, it’s about an hour from me I love having it so close
@@DRTJon have you seen all meats no taters trail yet?
@@eastcoastriders1267 I don’t believe so. What tract is it in?
@@DRTJon here's the pin. Its pretty ruff. There's 2 ways short and hard to the right or long and hard to the left lol
Dropped pin
Near New Castle Township, PA
maps.app.goo.gl/6uytas6j42UBaMQFA
@@eastcoastriders1267 Is FRO organized like Rausch Creek, or is it more of a collection of trails on private land that you need a membership to ride? I'm in Harrisburg and have been to Rausch a few times. Always interested in finding people to wheel with. I'm not from the area and don't know anyone else who wheels around here.
how is it holding up a year later?
(Jon here) I’m very happy with it still!
Thanks for that review, never seen that type of locker installed before.
Great video! I am doing gears as well. When do I install the locker... after the gears have been set and adjusted?
It's simple to install after it's all been set, that is what I would suggest! BTW you can still follow my adventures with the Spool Bus, just click on my user name 🙂
Nice, I am going to buy one for my Jeep Liberty 8.25
Yellow XJs FTW!
Solar Yellow represent!
Good work, success
Great straightforward video. Are you in Oregon by chance?
Nope, Pennsylvania! BTW you can still follow my adventures with the Spool Bus, just click on my user name 🙂
I bought the locker, but my diff is lsd. Is it possible to convert my diff to install the torq locker?
I'm thinking that because the clutches are short lived in the TrakLok that the lunchbox would be better?? Really hoping it can be done?? Do you know??
My dad ran lock rites front and rear in his XJ, we came up to a red light with ice on one set of wheels and dry pavement on the other set..... it broke the heads off of almost every bolt holding the crown gear on! we turned around and went home lol
B.s, why would it break all the bolts off the ring gear? Did you guys change a gear set and did a little too many rat a tat tat's on the bolts with an impact?
@@Kmecha84 nope, not sure why they let go. it was a lock rite in a D30, so the ring gear wasn't touched. It was a strange break and probably would never happen again.
Lock it up!
(Whispers aggressively)YOU LOCK IT UP
Does Torx make a locker for a Dana 41 in a CJ2A and do I need to pull both axles out for the install? Many thanks!!!
Where do I get this locker and price?? Also if my Dana 44 has TrakLok in it will this locker install in it?? Very important question. Thanks Dandahermit
All our challenges are in snow. That's my mission.Dandahermit
Hi BleepinJeep.
I gave a TJ wish DANA44 LSD rear axle. My LSD shows signs if being dead soon, and I started to look for the replacement option. It is my daily driving car. Would it be a good option to swap diff to TORQ launchbox diff? Is it safe to drive the self locking lunchbox diff on highways all weather condition?
its ok on the highway but the LSD carrier is different than a standard carrier which means getting a new carrier and setting up gears again. For that reason I would just have someone repair or replace the LSD clutches and be done with it.
@@bleepinjeep
Thanks for quick response.
Great stuff. Quick question before i place the order, u mentioned that for a daily is better to do it in the front, Would it destroy my mud tires since they front tires turn left and right all the time or would it be better in the rear since they dont turn as much??? And since im here, how do u like them skyjackers 8000? I need shocks asap skyjackers 8000 or max black?
Thanks bud
I have not noticed any accelerated or uneven wear on my tires running TORQ lockers for 30,000+ miles
Do you think I would be ok installing this spool aka torq locker on a daily driver?
Spool is different
I hope you were paying attention to your foot and that lock on that jack stand.
Yeah would suck to kick it and lift the weight of the vehicle up with his foot without the shear pin shearing off releasing the jackstand
I need one for a ford sterling 10.25 like this one. No luck so far.
is your jeep a daily driver or just take it out during snow and mud? I'm working on my moms XJ 1990 jeep lerado with 8.25 rear that is a daily driver . I was thinking of a limited slip especially for tight cornering
I daily drove it for about 40,000 miles but now I just use it for adventures. Still a lot of road driving with that though! I don't know that I'd put an auto locker in my Mom's Jeep though.... it does change driving characteristics a bit and someone who doesn't care about the benefits of a locker might not like it. I'm not part of BleepinJeep anymore but you can still follow my adventures with the Spool Bus, just click on my user name 🙂
I have the same one on my XJ, is it normal that when I drive and let go of the gas it makes a noice and ones I step on the gas it stops. Is it that I need to replace the locker or just the spring or is that normal?
Can we get some info on your buddy's Jeep? Mainly how he has that winch mounted with the stock bumper?!
It's an aftermarket front hitch for XJ/MJ with a HF winch hitch mount. He wired it in with disconnect plugs.
👋 hit up @muduck18 on Instagram and I’ll post up pics etc if you’d like.
It’s been two years, are you still running those same lockers? Also in the video, were you only in 2WD going up the hills, or in 4WD? How is the handling on dry pavement at highway speeds 75 mph up? Thanks for your video
I have a 1998 jeep zj 5.9 limited and I did the 241 t case swap I was wondering if this locker will work with my jeep
I wish I could try them all out but since I can't im still going to go with the sure thing .for me thats arb air lockers .
Wait a minute, that works locked all the time? No option to disengage? What about a car you use as a daily driver too?
putting a spartan in right now. video is good help
I have a 1999 dodge ram 1500 4x4 I was thinking about putting one in the front Dana 44 low pinion I don't know if it would hold up to 35s 250hp and it weighs 7000 lb what do you think and a little sand and mud I don't do rock climbing
can this be installed on a 8.25 with LSD?
what front axle are you running John? did i spot locking hubs? have you driven the xj in snow with the lunchbox in the front yet? im in michigan obviously so snow performance is a biggie for me, i want all the traction i can get, but i dont want to feel that front diff, (ie) torque steer. im torn between the volvo g80 locker, a detroit locker torsen LSD, and a LB style locker, the LSD is about 150-200$ more than the lunchbox, the volvo is about the same $ or less than the LB style lockers depending on where you get one from.
It’s a Dana 30. Look up my video “polishing a turd”
@@DRTJon you need your own playlist on The channel
I do have my own playlist, there’s one just for Project Spool Bus and one of every video I’ve made for BleepinJeep
@@DRTJon i did not see it, but i did find the vid and i rewatched it again
Here’s the playlist ruclips.net/p/PL1U__4as20wGHfVoPlnDA8fIHaKok28pU
Will this setup be fine for a daily driver and occasional off road? I'm driving a 2019 Jeep Wrangler Sport S with a stock Dana m200 axle.
Yes, absolutely
Might be a dumb question. But what is keeping the c clips in? I know on the old gears there is a little channel they sit in and the cross pin cheeps them in place. But I didn’t see a channel on the new parts. Is it the same?
Yes it recesses in there just enough
is there a dana 30 video?
Yes, check the playlist "Jon's Videos" it's called "Polishing a Turd"
Great video
Ive got a cherokee needing some lockers ;)
Daaang i tried to order this for my xj and no go i think they are currently not available
They are just out of stock and will be available again soon
Superbe vidéo !
I put one in the rear of my Wrangler and it feels like frame is twisting or wheel lifting when I take off from stop and when I shift gears on road
The Torq kit does not come with a new center pin, is this ever a problem? Some other kits do include a new center pin. Not sure why the difference in kit components.
You would only need to replace the center pin if it's worn. A good condition stock center pin is definitely strong enough
With trans in park. One wheel on ground. Should tire in the air ratchet or stay locked?
in park it will stay locked, this is essentially the same as if there were torque input on the pinion (driving)
Im curious how that front locker handles in the snow. I want to lock my front dana 44 in my yj, but im afraid of heavy understeer.
I got a front Aussie in my d30. It's pretty awesome, but unlocked it CAN break traction in the snow. It's not a garunte, but if it doesn't wanna ratchet it's gonna spin
@@Axle347 thanks man. Some are smoother than others on the street. I can unlock the hubs so 2wd is no concern but it's my deep snow vehicle. We get one occasionally around here.
@@jeepindave5464 all things considered, it's not bad in the snow. I know it's up there in 2wd, but overall it isn't noticable unless you're looking for it
Kinda new to lockers and what not. Is this setup all ways locked? Or does it lock under certain driving conditions or acceleration or something.
It is unlocked when coasting only. Any acceleration (torque input on the pinion) and it's fully locked. For me with a manual transmission I just put it in neutral or fully depress the clutch--as often as possible--when making tight turns on pavement. Off road I almost never wish it was unlocked.
Any of the problems with lockers on the streets/highways when turning or hitting the gas like before? Are they just as noisy?
The driving characteristics are slightly altered overall, but my feeling is it is MORE predictable in every situation. It is just a matter of learning how it is different and adapting your habits. Not wrong or bad, just different.
How are they on snow and ice?
Would you feel comfortable putting in 2020 jl eco diesel
how is the locked dana 30 for daily driving?
it's unnoticeable honestly!
Great video… are those good for daily driving as well?
Hey I have a 99 keep Cherokee xj that has stalling issues can you help me figure it out all ignition has been changed it’s a choking feeling on the throttle and eventually after turning it off for a few it kicks back on to drive. Also the whole fuel system has been replaced as well and it’s getting good pressure. No burning gas smell neither. Do you think my manifold gasket is cracked or a bad o2 sensor. Please let me know if you can.
What weight gear oil did you use?
85W-140
I have a 2000 xj. Can you daily drive these things with these installed front and rear?
I do
I have the same rear diff. I purchased the same locker from Torq and I noticed the thrust washers didn't fit so I tried dry fitting it after removing the gears and it wouldn't fit, it was to big. Any ideas?
Reach out to them, they’ll definitely help you figure this out
Good for daily use ? Understandably right turns and Peking lots aside.
I daily it
When putting the cover backnon what did you use to seal it?
RTV Black, always!
Great video, those c-clips look like a PITA. Can you tell me where you were off roading?
Famous Reading Outdoors
Is there a racketing noise when making turns on dry pavement and if so, how loud are they?
Yes but you can only hear it from the outside with my diesel rattling LOL. I have had it pop loudly two or 3 times but that’s just it camming back in under load (after a hard turn on pavement)