Bostrom is wrong though, its not more likely, in fact, its near impossible. Also, you cannot base your simulation possible future world on OUR current technology, it's incoherent. .
No there's only one according to Joe... But when we finally get around to simulating everything, we're going to fix this moment. Otherwise we'd freeze up the computer (supercomputer).
Michael Thornton u are so funny!! Eddie Bravo would so love these comments. You know his ass is woke and he’s already simulated his simulation I’m assuming!!
Well like he said there is no proof so why assume even if it is the more probable situation there is still the possibility that its not and with no evidence of it being that we are in a simulation we cant just say we are cuz its more probable
@@MrX-qo5wb you don't get it. The problem is that the chances of being in the real world is infinity small. There is only one real world. There is infinite simulations because if one simultation is even possible there is infinite. because if it is possible to make one it will repeat. The evidence is that you can't draw evidence from our reality because you would not be able to tell you're in a simulation. Therefore you gamble are you the 1st or the infinite rest?
Haha so true... For both of them actually. Joe is being uncharistically thick here, and bostrom makes a really poor job at explaining his reasoning in words that make sense to the average joe (hehe). I would summarize it like this: IF we assume that creating a simulation that can replicate our current experience is potentially possible (in the past, present or future), then it is much more likely that we currently live in such a simulation than in the "original one" (the source of all other simulations, which doesn't have to be a "place" or "earth reality" either, by the way)
Why did this guy introduce the idea that there's a simulation for each person? The concept is befuddled enough as it is. And wouldn't we ALL be in the simulation? Does he think that some people are real and others simulated? Which does he think HE is? Let me guess.... He thinks he's real, lol...
Bostrom: *Expains himself for the millionth time* Joe: listen, I completely understand what you’re saying BUT isn’t it possible.. Bostrom: *Starts to ponder whether he himself is in a simulation doomed to repeat himself until the end of time*
Shit man... I thought Joe was like this enlightened cat. Has he honestly not considered the possibility that the simulation he may or may not be in could fabricate his parents, biology, the microphone he is speaking into, etc? Also, has he not considered the concept that the simulation he/we are in could be somewhat similar to the OG history (cuz, u know it’s like a safe bet or whatever)? Or maybe the opposite... Maybe this is the newest iteration of the simulation and that this feeling of being somewhat close to a philosophical awakening is the most effective way for a simulation to prevent Matrix-style vigilantes from wearing frayed cable-knit sweaters and throwing around catch phrases like “whoa” and “I know Kung-Fu”. Did Sober October start early this year?
With patience like this…. I am not surprised this guy has thought his way through thousands of possibilities and come up with a concise argument on the possibility of simulation. I always new patience was a special gift but seeing it in action here shows the full power of it.
@Rudolf Adler te envita why would you think we would be In control of the simulation? Maybe, like laws of physics , there is/are laws of the simulation. Maybe there is a purpose beyond just randomly simulating the universe/life. Joe isn't smarter than the guest . Joe just isnt getting it. The guests point is, if there ever is a simulation , the odds of us not being simulated are preposterously low. Theres only 1 non simulation , and essentially infinite simulations.
@Rudolf Adler te envita There could be a milion of reasons why even we would make a simulation just like this one. One of the reasons may be that suffering makea us wake up. Like for example we wake up when we have a nightmare. It's the lack of imagination that makes you think what you think.
It's driving me fucking nuts.... It's like he's just arguing for the sake of it. Numbers are fucking numbers Joe. "I would put more probability on..." That's not how probability works... Jesus fucking Christ. I thought Rogan was intelligent... Edit: I'll break it down in layman's terms... IF we COULD create simulations in the future, WOULD WE? Answer: Yes. Therefore, we could BE IN ONE RIGHT NOW no?
@@fedism ????????? you must be like joe, u dont understand.if simulations are possible and it is desireable to create them. then the odds we are in the base reality are 1 in the number of simulations that will ever be created. simple
@@CBT5777 if you don't even understand that absolutely basic concept "what are we simulating" well I ain't wasting my time. let me know if / when you have basic knowledge
Steven have you looked into the ARCHAIX simulation theory. Very impressive arguments backed by TRUE HISTORY research. If not, I highly recommend you check it out.
I'm surprised that Nick didn't catch on to why Joe didn't understand this. I get where Joe is coming from. But he's not getting the point that just because the simulation hasn't been invented in this reality now, we are saying that if a civilization had the means to eventually create one, they would, and if they did, there would be simulations within simulations within simulations, and you wouldn't know if you were in one of the simulations and are just on the part of the timeline of that simulation where the simulation hasn't been created yet. But the fact that we are in a simulation where our place in the timeline of such simulation is such that they haven't invented it yet doesn't mean that we are not in the simulation in the first place.
@@bobomonkey702 lol, I like the way you think but my life is so boring, it means I am a battery or I am an npc. I like boring btw, this is not tragic, I avoid drama.
It's so bad! He won't let the guy explain it bc he's incapable of understanding the theory behind it. I bet his 7th grade science teachers were faced with a lot of obtuse questions.
The way he rejects Simulation actually makes me feel like he is the prime example of a Zombie who has nothing inside and is therefore evidence of this being a Simulation. He looks and sounds like a person but there is nothing really there. Nick broke his programming 😂 And NPC Joe can only repeat "Who goes there?"
I started this video thinking this poor man’s sentence would just have to be reiterated two or three times for Joe to get it. I’m now 24 minutes in this video and at this point I’m crying with laughter. Hoping Joe will understand soon. Going to update once I make it further 😂😭 Update: Joe never understood it
THANK YOU! I'm 8 minutes in and contemplating if this goes on the rest of the video and if so I could somehow give myself an aneurysm to stop the pain.. Now I can exit the video in peace knowing no significant conversation is missed, instead of start throwing shit through the room in rage..
I’m 20 minutes in and in the comments! it’s hurting my brain. I’m trying to explain it Joe as I shout at my phone in the background like he can damn hear me!!! 😂
And his insistence on this 33% probable option being the correct one of his proposed 3 probable options is where he loses the vast majority of people. So the question remains; if there are 3 probable options in his theory, why does anyone of them become more probable than the other 2? The genius never adequately explains the very important *why* of his assertion.
True. The other guy doesn't do a good job of explaining it but if Rogan simply had a copy of the assumptions on a piece of paper I think he should be able to figure out how stupid he sounds.
@@lukeb3435 apparently you caught something many of us did not, so maybe you can point me to where in the video it is that Nick explains why that 1 of 3 possibilities is the one he gets to insist is the most probable?
If we create a realistic simulation, then the people inside our simulation would believe they are living a completely real life. They wouldn’t ever think that a simulation was possible until they became technologically advanced to the point where they could create their own sort of simulation to provoke such a thought. Much like where we are now. Maybe we did win the 1 in a million chance that we aren’t in a simulation, but maybe we didn’t. A betting man would put his money on that we are in a simulation. That’s only if such a realistic simulation is even possible. Though with the progress of tech in our reality, it seems that it could be very possible in the future.
I want to have Joe Rogan next to me for all deep existential debates. The way a pretty girl surrounds herself with ugly girls and boom she is gorgeous. Same concept applies Joe is making me look like AI level genius with this podcast.
@Ay4 I get what you mean. But joe knows hes of average Intelligence and he quite overtly talks about it. He calls himself "smart dumb" because that's exactly what he is. Psychedelics only do so to your psyche but he knows they dont improve ones IQ.
Exactly. He cherry picks when to believe crazy shit. He'll scold people for not believing in climate change yet falls for crazy theories of ancient civilizations, moon landing hoax, ice baths, vaccine misinfo etc.
@@missionpupa Despite this, the simulation is just as genuine as the simulation that made it. as it's built and crafted inside a different simulation all the way up to fundamental reality. It doesn't exist outside of base reality; it is just as real as base reality itself. More than anything, it comes down to control and meaning. Apart from the 'who's first,' naturally.
@@missionpupa physical media, such as optical fibers, ssds or magnetic hard drives, are used to store and transport digital data. even tho the content of digital information is conceptual or virtual, its physicality provides a tangible foundation for its existence.so even if you exist in a 'digital' form, your existence is still part of the physical universe, you don't 'exist' independent of the physical universe. being 'real' is not a subject of the conversation. the implications will rely more on control, as in .. 'who controls the simulation' and free will. Being 'real' has no meaning in the context of the simulation.
I think the problem is that Joe has never taken a stat course of any kind based on his inability to understand probabilities and the idea of a stat model. It's purpose is not to state whether something is true or not, but like Nick said, to give that 4th time dimension where manipulation of variables based on just null and alternative hypothesis is the beauty of saying that anything at anywhere at anytime might exist.
I think Joe is also really trying to get the guy to explain it better than "IF in the future we build a uber computer instead of blowing ourselves up (which is unlikely), then probability states you are more than not likely in a simulation. " As a statistical evaluation I believe and think Joe is the same, that it starts on a flawed premise that making the simulation is more likely than not, given humanities record. So if the question is out of the realities being either a) we have not yet made it. B) we have made it - well thsts not a million to one. It only becomes a million to one once you have the definitive factor of the simulation was made.
@@Last_March_of_the_Gents I believe the likelihood is greater given our ability to construct something of this nature. or, to put it even more simply, the ability of the rules of physics to support something of this kind. If the universe itself is able to support a simulation without defying the laws of physics, then there's a good probability that somewhere in our universe alone, some civilization has already constructed one. and it's likely that we live in one ourselves if we manage to construct one. It's really easy.
Hahaha this is the funniest comment... yeah.. the creator must have hidden algorithm upon algorithm upon algorithm.. so on and so forth.... needless to say hes not getting out the matrix this lifetime lol
@@embecmom5863 no he is clearly not. In fact I've always considered his intelligence average of above average. Now I question that and your intelligence.
@@animefreak3010 man, ty, lololol "base reality"... talk about being triggered by a HYPOTHETICAL THOUGHT EXPERIMENT that could probably never be definitely proved
Joe's question is essentially "why do we assume we're tossing the coin?" It's probability based on assumption. It's like a blind person saying "I think the sky is red" and Joe is saying "Why would you assume that? You've never seen it and everyone keeps telling you it's blue."
He's assuming based on probability, if you can't trust anything, you can triust this: what we do know is time is infinite or at least very very long compared to when it started and the present day. Then based on that premise, the probability that a simulation already happened is very close to 100% and you're already in it. That's really the crux of it.
And this guy is bad at explaining the idea. If we have 2 outcomes: simulations aren't happening, or they will happen sometime in the future. In the SECOND case MOST likely we are in one now. BUT. What is the probability of the first 2 outcomes "happening/not happening"? 50/50? 99.9/0.01? What are the numbers? What are they based on? He gives an example of coin toss which is 50/50. Do we have numbers for simulations? Of course we don't!
Lol can't ww2 be a simulation? Couldn't our entire history from the birth of the star be a simulation lol talk about assuming while he is literally assuming that because it happened in the past it must mot be simulated??? Eh
@@sidewinder2057 I think the guy is so smart...he can't bring it down to Joe's level or find a common point of understanding. I think his answers make sense, and the professor is in a state of "I don't know how to make this more simple than I already have stated" because the answer/explanation is already in its simplest form.
Thank you for saying this. Everyone is shitting on joe for not understanding but this guy is so horrible at explaining a pretty simple concept. Like he keeps WAAAYYY over complicating it.
@@KermitsBadFurDay Joe isn't smart. He's curious but he's kind of an idiot. People like Bostrom are thinking WAY outside of Rogan's capabilities and it shows painfully here.
He does, joe doesn't. He's saying its more probable we are in a simulation than not, because it would be more likely you are in one of the sims than being the initial. Joe looking at it like its 50 - 50. Odds favor we are in simulation more than not.
Mrs Manager, to be fair, he did a pretty bad job of explaining it to Joe. Bostrom could’ve just explained it by saying at some point in time we will be able to have millions of realistic simulations running. Why would we assume that we aren’t one of the millions? The simulation would be indistinguishable from reality so there is no real way of knowing if this life is real or simulated. Maybe our history was simulated. Maybe all of our memories were simulated and the simulation started yesterday. Maybe time is going by at 2x faster then the speed outside of the simulation so we progress much faster than outside of the simulation. The probability is in favor of us being in a simulation, but then again, the odds of winning the lottery are pretty damn low, but someone’s gotta win it. Either way, this video was 2 guys repeating themselves for 33min so really, we are the ones with patience to watch the entire thing XD.
Yeah Swampy Thang, this dude is pretty committed to being misunderstood. I don't think it's patience. I think this guy is getting off on Joe's confusion
@@swampythang7182 Fantastic comment!! That's what I was saying in a clumsy way with my "If there were one million scraps of paper in a bowl, how confident would Joe be that he'd pick out the ONE scrap with his phone number on it?""---comment. Yours much more expansive. Could there have been a slight language barrier, I wonder? Joe isn't usually this slow to the gate.
@@1060michaelg , that is a great simple analogy. I think Joe was probably trying to play "devil's advocate" like he normally does. Just, in this case, devils advocate turned into repeatedly saying "Why would we assume we're in a simulation?" Because that really is the only argument you can make against us being in a simulation. Bostrom couldn't answer that question because there is no answer at all. The best answer would be "All we can do is look at the statistics and make an educated guess."
@@swampythang7182 Thanks, You nail it squarely saying "There is no answer at all." Absolutely correct. Bostrom was trying to get across concepts like; Being INSIDE, we have no objectivity---it's all subjective. A Quantum scientist and probability mathematics people would grasp easily, 'How do we KNOW a mile is a mile? What does it really mean? Just because Joe wakes up and eats, sees his car outside the window, he has no proof that THIS is not the first day of another simulation?'" Put another way: Every second is a new frame in the "Time Game", so we are all actually are living tiny Quantum bits at a time. I hope I didn't muddy the water, but your words made me dig a little deeper.
Joe is painfully, involuntarily obtuse on this topic. We wouldn't know if we were in a properly constructed simulation. Its not that hard to understand.
I don’t know how everybody else is struggling to understand this if there are 1 million simulated copies of earths entire history with fully conscious DIGITALY SIMULATED HUMANS. Which are HISTORICALY ACURATE TO THE ORIGINAL EARTH. Let’s say 7 trillion people live and die on earth but at some point in the distant future we simulated earths history 1 million times then that means there will be 7 trillion real humans and 7E18 seven to the power of 18 simulated humans WHICH THINK THEY ARE REAL. Now what’s more likely. It’s figuratively a million to one literally it’s waaaaaay lower probability
Probably the same reason he doesn't believe in god see atheists think they are smart but in reality you can be Moron and be a atheist because you don't need any thinking at all to be one . Just like animals don't have religion. Religion just like math and science take a higher intelligence. Then not believing in shit .
The point was it only takes one "real reality" to unleash millions of simulations, which forcefully will happen in the timeline of the whole time of the Universe. So the probability of the now being that first reality is very thin to say the least, although statistically possible.
But 1 thing all simulations have in common is that they all have simulations in their simulation. So since we still dont have simulation, we have to either be last on the list of the simulations or real reality who will unleash millions of simulations. So in that case, chance that we are in simulation are 50:50 not 1 in a million.
@@ColtonPhillips correct after that it's just pure ego and bubble talk, instead of acknowledging he didn't understand the concept and asking for guidance he brings the conversation into a loop
@@dwntwn9221 Did he step in and try to help??! For 30 fucking minutes he let these two run in a circle. Maybe he was shopping for high heels, who knows
It's 3 years later. Joe Rogan is now making grunting noises, and drooling. Nick Bostrom is still patiently trying to get Joe to make sense of the simulation theory.
@@kktori Or at least each simulation would replicate the cosmic radio background and other evidence that would point to a big bang, even if the event hadn't "occurred" within the simulation.
but bruh that's the secret to escaping the simulation bruhhh manifest the ego as a source of energy and exert it upon the boundaries of that synthetic reality and then boooooom, #WeFreeNow 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
I realized after about 10 minutes that I was getting a little frustrated listening to Joe say the same thing over and over again. Then I realized that I was only 1/3 of the way through a 30 minute video.
@@CBT5777 him trying to make the show last longer or not has nothing to do with him saying the same thing over and over again. Joe is most likely questioning and wanting affirmation that this reality is more likely to be the original timelines and that it's less likely to be a simulation. But if you're choosing that there could be simulations in the future then you have to take that into account no matter if you say there might be simulations or there will be simulations. Because there would be millions of chances for a simulation over the one chance of a non simulation. He isn't getting that point. He isn't getting that there is a one in over one million chance..he's only taking it as the guy isn't giving this reality a chance of non simulation.
@@CBT5777 +1 for saying people are "to stupid." That was fun. Also, I disagree Joe was trying to prolong the show. He just wasn't understanding the concept of the anthropic principle.
In my head, we would never know whether we exist or don't exist in a simulation until each and every one of our simulation experiences comes to an end. So I feel the answer may be discovered once we leave this realm. I would have argued that entering a simulation blind to the fact that we are entering a simulation would lead me to believe that we are in a simulation currently. I don't think it's within our remit within this simulation to determine that we are in a simulation, because if we are hear to experience everything we need to experience, then knowing this premise before we entered, and then keeping this knowledge would give you an unfair advantage. If there's an example of a being who entered this realm, knowing it was a simulation and then being able to hack the codes, I would point to Jesus right. Jesus to me, clearly exhibits traits of a being that has retained the knowledge of existing outside of the simulation - think about it.
I believe in Jesus, but what if he never actually existed? It’s almost impossible to wrap your brain around the fact that the life you live is just a big video game for some higher life form! For me, doing something completely unpredictable of your normality, without “breaking the simulation” reassures me that my life is real and fluid.
No i think he gets it just wants to see it in the eyes of maybe being the prime and not a simulation because we don’t hv proof that we are in one so maybe just maybe what if we are not, despite the odds of that being true
Holy cow, Joe’s having a tough time with this one. Props to him for putting himself in situations where he tries to understand hard shit live in front of millions of people, that’s dope. But, this one sure isn’t clicking for him.
It’s not that hard to understand. I’m pretty dumb and he’s basically just saying once we have the ability to create a simulation the probability we are living in real reality is very low.
Summary of this video This guy: out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated reality than the original one. Joe: But isn’t it possible we are not in a simulation. This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one. Joe: what I’m trying to say is, why are you assuming we are in a simulation, when there is no evidence for it. Isn’t it more probable that we are not in a simulation and this is reality. This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one. Joe: I understand what you’re saying completely, but why are you assuming we are in a simulation, isn’t it more likely that this is reality and we haven’t yet made a simulation. This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one. Joe: you lost me This guy: if you don’t want to participate in this thought experiment that’s fine.
@@CleetusDaily the scenario we are talking about is that in the future we will create many historical simulations. This is obviously just an assumption, not an entirely unbelievable assumption though. All that is being said here is that if we do end up creating a bunch of simulations, the probability lies in us being in one of the simulations and not in the root reality. No one is saying that we will for sure create these simulations, but that if we do create them there will be a 1/many chance that the lives we are living now are not simulated (since there will only ever be one true reality.) It's a simple probability statement and not proof of a simulation.
A lot of people are like Joe and don’t really get this. The base issue is that if we are in a simulation we will never be able to see that we are. Therefore we do not know if we are in a simulation or if we are the “real people” who will create simulations in the future. With that in mind, what’s more likely: 1. That we are the only original real timeline of people. or 2. We are living in one of millions of different hyper-realistic simulations that are, to us, indistinguishable from reality?
Undisputed: this is the most painful 33:07 in the entire history of the internet. Four years later I’ve never been able to make it past about 12 minutes. Joe….
@@jeremylabove5339 He's saying that assuming the potential of a simulated reality, something that is conceptually possible today (but not actually possible quite yet), it would be foolish of us to assume that we are the first iteration of reality rather than a simulation because there would be 1 such iteration to potentially an infinite amount of simulations.
Elon Musk said it best. If we reach a point where we can create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality, the chance of us being in base reality is close to zero.
First of all, I disagree that being able to do it means that most likely it'd be done. Why? Why would such an advanced tool/people decide to simulate "us"? It would be so costly regardless of the era/tech, it just doesn't make any sense to do so. Why would it be us...what would make that worth the costs? But much more importantly & more definitively, I think, is the fact that it's very likely not possible to come anywhere close to simulating just one consciousness, let alone our entire universe. Our universe is likely quite efficient, quite elegant, so it's likely that the most efficient form of our universe is our universe, & that simulating it would be more difficult/expensive (in every sense of the word) than our actual universe's creation & evolution was/is. The staggering data involved doesn't approximate something like a hyper-advanced video game...say a video game 70 years from now that focuses on recreating with great realism our everyday lives; it's rather data on the level of...well, impossibility, & it's interesting that so many brilliant folks don't see this straight away & dismiss it on that alone - though many do...& they're correct, I believe. It's super fascinating though David, I agree on that!
@@scottsherman5262 Few points. 1. A simulation would be expensive - Yes, for us. But imagine a Type 4 civilization. Humans have already developed fission (which uses rare materials), when we develop fusion (can use hydrogen - think about how much H20 is in the ocean) we will create way more energy with a fraction of the mass. We’ll be able to create Dyson spheres to capture the energy of stars. Energy is not a complete field. 2. Would we want to? - I don’t know. We are making the meta verse though. 3. Think about physics - Everything in the universe is a formula, whether we know the formula or not. From quantum mechanics to space-time to developing consciousness. It does appear we could be a complicated version of reinforced learning (program used to develop AI - create environment and let characters roam who learn based on reward systems)
@@scottsherman5262 a species that would create nuclear weapons and do a vast multitude of things that shouldn't have, but did, would run it. I think the question is, if they did, would they run a sim that mirrored their reality? I think we would simulate things that never happened, not the same.
I came back to say this has got to be one of the funniest Joe Rogan clips that I have ever seen and I say this with honesty, absolutely hilarious! must say, super entertaining as well,😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bostrom: Joe let’s speculate. Here are two very simple thought experiments that may help you understand the probability aspect of Simulation theory. Joe: But that’s PURE SPECULATION. Bostrom: Yes.
Bostrom: if technology keeps the pace it has, barring condition A, (whereby our civilization self destructs, or B, whereby we all agree to halt technology advancement), then it’s logical to assume eventually we will create hyper-realistic simulations indistinguishable from reality. if we assume one million such simulations will eventually exist, and only ONE base reality ever existed, it’s far more likely we are in one of those million simulations, because probability. Joe: I COMPLETELY understand that. But WHY wouldn’t it actually be far more likely we are in base reality??
17:55, Bostrom ALMOST got to the root of Joe’s inability to grasp this concept. He says “There are a million simulations, right, and you cannot tell from the inside-“ at which point Joe cuts Bostrom off, before he could finish and say “cannot tell from the inside THAT YOU ARE IN A SIMULATION because every PROOF that you’re in base reality is ALSO simulated”. SOO FRUSTRATING!!!!
His misunderstanding could have been easily addressed by explaining the fact that the reason it’s more probable to be in the simulation due to the fact that there would be many many many more simulated realities than the 1 base reality.
I do not think Joe is hung up on that. I think Joe cant get past they we are not at that point of making simulations yet, so its not likely it ever happens. He thinks of it as a theory that cannot be proven yet so in that case its automatically less likely to be true. which is false but I can see how people would get that wrong.
There's no studies that would even touch on this subject, so it's completely pointless to argue. That being said I've done DMT multiple times, and though it definitely broadened my perspective, I would have a hard time comprehending how it could positively effect your futute ability to learn or apply new skills. No evidence at all either way..
Can someone create a simulation where Joe understands this guy’s goddamn point?
Hahaha... yes, please.
Lmao good one.
Bostrom is wrong though, its not more likely, in fact, its near impossible. Also, you cannot base your simulation possible future world on OUR current technology, it's incoherent. .
Plot twist:
There's hundreds of simulations, each one created to try and make Joe understand this guy 😂
Maybe his theory is absurd, and Joe is far too wise to be cucked enough to believe it wholly.
There are a million Joe Rogans not understanding this
But only 1 hilarious comment, like this.
Thanks for the laugh
No there's only one according to Joe... But when we finally get around to simulating everything, we're going to fix this moment.
Otherwise we'd freeze up the computer (supercomputer).
Nice
RookiesRookie best comment yet 🤣
Michael Thornton u are so funny!! Eddie Bravo would so love these comments. You know his ass is woke and he’s already simulated his simulation I’m assuming!!
Lol you know joe’s brain is broken, when he asks the same exact question a thousand times. Nick has excellent patience 😂
You would think all; that DMT would help him understand the simulation theory.
yea fr its frustrating lol @@missionpupa
yeah but in all honesty, hes not good at dumbing it down in clear terms for him. i'd get him to understand it in a minute.
I thank joe has good patience nick can’t answer the question correctly😵😵
@@missionpupa lmfao any sane person would think all that dmt fried his brain, not helped it and this vid has to be proof it did😂😂
Joe is Super Mario trying to understand the concept of multiple Nintendos.
Nice
Yeah, that... and a bit of Mario not understanding why Toad keeps repeating the same lines of dialogue over and over
Bro 😂 I cant unsee Joe as supermario now xD
ahaha
Perfect distillation of the argument. 👌
Typical Joe thinking he’s the original Joe and not a simulated one.
Y Think Joe ,sometimes goes too far .,Full of Nonsense.,simulation my ASS!!
Maybe the base reality Joe created this simulation to amuse himself.
haha good one :D
Well like he said there is no proof so why assume even if it is the more probable situation there is still the possibility that its not and with no evidence of it being that we are in a simulation we cant just say we are cuz its more probable
@@MrX-qo5wb you don't get it. The problem is that the chances of being in the real world is infinity small. There is only one real world. There is infinite simulations because if one simultation is even possible there is infinite. because if it is possible to make one it will repeat. The evidence is that you can't draw evidence from our reality because you would not be able to tell you're in a simulation. Therefore you gamble are you the 1st or the infinite rest?
I've never wanted to step in so badly in my life
No shit! Lol same
I feel this comment bro
shit sounded stupid af
Haha so true... For both of them actually. Joe is being uncharistically thick here, and bostrom makes a really poor job at explaining his reasoning in words that make sense to the average joe (hehe). I would summarize it like this: IF we assume that creating a simulation that can replicate our current experience is potentially possible (in the past, present or future), then it is much more likely that we currently live in such a simulation than in the "original one" (the source of all other simulations, which doesn't have to be a "place" or "earth reality" either, by the way)
Why did this guy introduce the idea that there's a simulation for each person? The concept is befuddled enough as it is. And wouldn't we ALL be in the simulation? Does he think that some people are real and others simulated? Which does he think HE is? Let me guess.... He thinks he's real, lol...
Bostrom: *Expains himself for the millionth time*
Joe: listen, I completely understand what you’re saying BUT isn’t it possible..
Bostrom: *Starts to ponder whether he himself is in a simulation doomed to repeat himself until the end of time*
Lmfao 😂😂😂😂
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this lol
Dumamu I've come to bargain
What did i just watched...
@@civicccunderrated comment here ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Joe was just thinking about it wrong. He didn’t realize that his base reality option was already accounted for in Bostrom’s scenarios.
Yea to even start the probability we have to assume we know nothing lol, why can’t he understand this
Joe sounds like Buzz Lightyear not believing Woody that he's a toy.
he sure looked like buzz lightyear when he had the nasa suit on a while back.
He did look a little like an astronaut in a recent episode 🐒
Ira Cohen this is profoundly insightful 👌🏽
I’m fuckin done hahahahaha
Shit man... I thought Joe was like this enlightened cat. Has he honestly not considered the possibility that the simulation he may or may not be in could fabricate his parents, biology, the microphone he is speaking into, etc? Also, has he not considered the concept that the simulation he/we are in could be somewhat similar to the OG history (cuz, u know it’s like a safe bet or whatever)? Or maybe the opposite... Maybe this is the newest iteration of the simulation and that this feeling of being somewhat close to a philosophical awakening is the most effective way for a simulation to prevent Matrix-style vigilantes from wearing frayed cable-knit sweaters and throwing around catch phrases like “whoa” and “I know Kung-Fu”. Did Sober October start early this year?
This man has the patience of a single father with a 4 year old child who asks the same question over & over
And he keeps answering it the same way hoping Joe will understand.
I wish I had a father like that
@@danielstone9978 i wish i had a father
So hard to watch when joe responds and its so obvious joe dosent get the point. . .
Never actually answers the question
With patience like this…. I am not surprised this guy has thought his way through thousands of possibilities and come up with a concise argument on the possibility of simulation. I always new patience was a special gift but seeing it in action here shows the full power of it.
Hahaha
Absolutely spot on he seems like a really smart guy whose obviously put the time into this
It's either A. Who ever looped this video is a master editor
B. You're having a bad trip and starting to loop, or..
C. we're in a simulation
😂😂
This is the first time Joe Rogan made me feel smarter than him.
The first time?! You're probably much smarter than him.. Don't sell youself too short!
@Rudolf Adler te envita why would you think we would be In control of the simulation? Maybe, like laws of physics , there is/are laws of the simulation. Maybe there is a purpose beyond just randomly simulating the universe/life. Joe isn't smarter than the guest . Joe just isnt getting it. The guests point is, if there ever is a simulation , the odds of us not being simulated are preposterously low. Theres only 1 non simulation , and essentially infinite simulations.
@Rudolf Adler te envita There could be a milion of reasons why even we would make a simulation just like this one. One of the reasons may be that suffering makea us wake up. Like for example we wake up when we have a nightmare.
It's the lack of imagination that makes you think what you think.
michael clendenen good explanation
@Amthehardest and who's even to say that our simulation engineer is human at that
Joe really doesn't want to be in a simulation lol.
@jay You're God-Damn right he is.
but joe is right, theres is no hardcore evidence, its just words with this theory
It's driving me fucking nuts....
It's like he's just arguing for the sake of it.
Numbers are fucking numbers Joe.
"I would put more probability on..."
That's not how probability works... Jesus fucking Christ. I thought Rogan was intelligent...
Edit:
I'll break it down in layman's terms... IF we COULD create simulations in the future, WOULD WE?
Answer: Yes.
Therefore, we could BE IN ONE RIGHT NOW no?
@@kidcudi908 A simulation may not simulate evidence of the existence of simulations.
Lmao ikr
It is reassuring to know that there is at least one simulation in which Joe gets it the first time
😂😂
Bostrom: There is one base reality and 13 Billion ancestor simulations.
Joe: So you’re telling me there’s a chance?
Lloyd Christmas lol
😂😂
🤣😂
I already suspected that Nick Bostrom was one of the smartest people on the planet. Now I also know he's one of the most patient.
Agreed!
Loooooooooollll
Lmfao
how tf is this guy the smartest in the planet? This theory sounds absurd.
@@fedism ????????? you must be like joe, u dont understand.if simulations are possible and it is desireable to create them. then the odds we are in the base reality are 1 in the number of simulations that will ever be created. simple
Its not Joe’s fault the simulation is broke and he keeps asking the same question
@@CBT5777 no its because some people are just apes and its impossible to break down the probability metrics simply enough for them to understand.
@@CBT5777 no shit. just accept the fact you are probably in a simulation. no one is saying you are. or is that beyond your limited capability?
@@CBT5777 if you don't even understand that absolutely basic concept "what are we simulating" well I ain't wasting my time. let me know if / when you have basic knowledge
Cyber Punk Rogan 2077
The guy isn't making a point. He isn't addressing Joes question at all. Ignoring it completely.
Just because we are at the spot in the timeline where a simulation hasn't been produced yet, doesn't mean we weren't in a simulation the first place
Steven have you looked into the ARCHAIX simulation theory. Very impressive arguments backed by TRUE HISTORY research. If not, I highly recommend you check it out.
I wish Joe would read this
I'm surprised that Nick didn't catch on to why Joe didn't understand this. I get where Joe is coming from. But he's not getting the point that just because the simulation hasn't been invented in this reality now, we are saying that if a civilization had the means to eventually create one, they would, and if they did, there would be simulations within simulations within simulations, and you wouldn't know if you were in one of the simulations and are just on the part of the timeline of that simulation where the simulation hasn't been created yet. But the fact that we are in a simulation where our place in the timeline of such simulation is such that they haven't invented it yet doesn't mean that we are not in the simulation in the first place.
Joe is desperately trying to avoid an existential crisis
I agree
It very well may have been a rabbit hole he’s gotten lost in, but it’s also not good to have one sided existential conversations, in my opinion.
Joe should watch berserk.. I'd love to hear his opinion on it
Joe was trying to get this guy to wake up.
@@fedism ...you mean "woked". Joe wants this guy to be wokededed like he is.
Rumor has it that Joe was supposed to be Neo but Morpheus got tired of trying to explain the matrix to him
This should definitely be a missing scene on the matrix blu ray
That's hilarious 🤣
I read this comment months ago. Rewatching the video again and again laughing at this comment. omg, I am an npc 😱
@@coniccinoc Or maybe it’s a glitch in the matrix that brought you back to these two experiences lol.
@@bobomonkey702 lol, I like the way you think but my life is so boring, it means I am a battery or I am an npc. I like boring btw, this is not tragic, I avoid drama.
"Say you have two pieces of bread."
JOE: "But why wouldn't I be holding the bread in the real universe?"
I don't know how I made it through this conversation more than once. It's like the simulation theory version of Who's on First
This was hands down the most annoying conversation I’ve ever listened to
I have a headache
Fucking horrible. The guy telling Joe what to say really doesn't want this guy talk
I'm 2:30 in and im already scanning the comments to see if anyone else is annoyed.
on god
It's so bad! He won't let the guy explain it bc he's incapable of understanding the theory behind it. I bet his 7th grade science teachers were faced with a lot of obtuse questions.
Joe is simulated to disagree that we are in a simulation
The way he rejects Simulation actually makes me feel like he is the prime example of a Zombie who has nothing inside and is therefore evidence of this being a Simulation.
He looks and sounds like a person but there is nothing really there.
Nick broke his programming 😂
And NPC Joe can only repeat "Who goes there?"
Resistance is futile!
I think people like Joe because he's normally quite capable of nuance, but his brain really shut down here
I started this video thinking this poor man’s sentence would just have to be reiterated two or three times for Joe to get it. I’m now 24 minutes in this video and at this point I’m crying with laughter. Hoping Joe will understand soon. Going to update once I make it further 😂😭
Update: Joe never understood it
THANK YOU! I'm 8 minutes in and contemplating if this goes on the rest of the video and if so I could somehow give myself an aneurysm to stop the pain.. Now I can exit the video in peace knowing no significant conversation is missed, instead of start throwing shit through the room in rage..
Thank you I will stop at 3 minutes in. ❤
I’m 20 minutes in and in the comments! it’s hurting my brain. I’m trying to explain it Joe as I shout at my phone in the background like he can damn hear me!!! 😂
Bro your comment was 💯🤣🤣
Bostrom: “I ain’t coming over here no more”
Joe: why would we assume
Nick: probability
Joe: but why would we assume?
And his insistence on this 33% probable option being the correct one of his proposed 3 probable options is where he loses the vast majority of people.
So the question remains; if there are 3 probable options in his theory, why does anyone of them become more probable than the other 2?
The genius never adequately explains the very important *why* of his assertion.
True. The other guy doesn't do a good job of explaining it but if Rogan simply had a copy of the assumptions on a piece of paper I think he should be able to figure out how stupid he sounds.
@@lukeb3435 apparently you caught something many of us did not, so maybe you can point me to where in the video it is that Nick explains why that 1 of 3 possibilities is the one he gets to insist is the most probable?
There's no need to assume anything based on probabilities.
If we create a realistic simulation, then the people inside our simulation would believe they are living a completely real life. They wouldn’t ever think that a simulation was possible until they became technologically advanced to the point where they could create their own sort of simulation to provoke such a thought. Much like where we are now.
Maybe we did win the 1 in a million chance that we aren’t in a simulation, but maybe we didn’t. A betting man would put his money on that we are in a simulation. That’s only if such a realistic simulation is even possible. Though with the progress of tech in our reality, it seems that it could be very possible in the future.
1) I opened the video
2) instantly understood his point
3) skip 30 minutes joe “I still don’t get it”
I want to have Joe Rogan next to me for all deep existential debates. The way a pretty girl surrounds herself with ugly girls and boom she is gorgeous. Same concept applies Joe is making me look like AI level genius with this podcast.
Yeah, I like Joe but he’s kind of a dumdum sometimes
@Ay4 lol yep, I’ve done psychedelics and I’m still really dumb.
@Ay4 I get what you mean. But joe knows hes of average Intelligence and he quite overtly talks about it. He calls himself "smart dumb" because that's exactly what he is. Psychedelics only do so to your psyche but he knows they dont improve ones IQ.
@@jackrogers1115 wtf no, he means he knows alot but not everything to the end
I love how Joe struggles to go along with this but 100% buys into ufo dude or ancient aliens guy.
He's fine with all those things but if you tell him his reality is not real, it breaks his brain
Exactly. He cherry picks when to believe crazy shit. He'll scold people for not believing in climate change yet falls for crazy theories of ancient civilizations, moon landing hoax, ice baths, vaccine misinfo etc.
@@missionpupa Despite this, the simulation is just as genuine as the simulation that made it.
as it's built and crafted inside a different simulation all the way up to fundamental reality.
It doesn't exist outside of base reality; it is just as real as base reality itself.
More than anything, it comes down to control and meaning.
Apart from the 'who's first,' naturally.
@@cosmictropicalcollective it doesn't really matter whether it's real or not because if we're in it, there is no way of telling.
@@missionpupa physical media, such as optical fibers, ssds or magnetic hard drives, are used to store and transport digital data. even tho the content of digital information is conceptual or virtual, its physicality provides a tangible foundation for its existence.so even if you exist in a 'digital' form, your existence is still part of the physical universe, you don't 'exist' independent of the physical universe. being 'real' is not a subject of the conversation. the implications will rely more on control, as in .. 'who controls the simulation' and free will. Being 'real' has no meaning in the context of the simulation.
I think the problem is that Joe has never taken a stat course of any kind based on his inability to understand probabilities and the idea of a stat model. It's purpose is not to state whether something is true or not, but like Nick said, to give that 4th time dimension where manipulation of variables based on just null and alternative hypothesis is the beauty of saying that anything at anywhere at anytime might exist.
I think Joe is also really trying to get the guy to explain it better than "IF in the future we build a uber computer instead of blowing ourselves up (which is unlikely), then probability states you are more than not likely in a simulation. " As a statistical evaluation I believe and think Joe is the same, that it starts on a flawed premise that making the simulation is more likely than not, given humanities record. So if the question is out of the realities being either a) we have not yet made it. B) we have made it - well thsts not a million to one. It only becomes a million to one once you have the definitive factor of the simulation was made.
@@Last_March_of_the_Gents I believe the likelihood is greater given our ability to construct something of this nature.
or, to put it even more simply, the ability of the rules of physics to support something of this kind.
If the universe itself is able to support a simulation without defying the laws of physics, then there's a good probability that somewhere in our universe alone, some civilization has already constructed one. and it's likely that we live in one ourselves if we manage to construct one. It's really easy.
This is exactly it. Joe hasn’t taken enough math classes or done well enough in them to understand
Joe “I’m not a simulation” Rogan
lol!
Mr. Mysterious Joe doesn’t get the comments either. LOL
Can someone z explain these joe is bla bla rogan comments ? How kt started and why?
Whoever simulated rogan he really made sure he won't find out
Freaking a, I love you man. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha this is the funniest comment... yeah.. the creator must have hidden algorithm upon algorithm upon algorithm.. so on and so forth.... needless to say hes not getting out the matrix this lifetime lol
@@matthewmashburn2215 yup I'm out this bitch!!!
Lol… perfectly executed
I remember listening to this screaming in the truck like wtf joe
JRE broke my brain..... I'm definitely in a simulation...
Can we make a simulation where Joe understands this guy’s point the first time he asks? 😂😂😂
This guy has the patience of a god
This guy was so nice, and kept his calm really well when Joe didn't understand for half an hour.
How does Joe Rogan say he has done dmt and not understand this?
There is nothing to understand its such bs... Joe was right
@@embecmom5863 no he is clearly not. In fact I've always considered his intelligence average of above average. Now I question that and your intelligence.
@Bucket with a face on it I've always considered his intelligence average or above average. After watching this I question his intelligence and yours.
@@animefreak3010 man, ty, lololol "base reality"... talk about being triggered by a HYPOTHETICAL THOUGHT EXPERIMENT that could probably never be definitely proved
I think this is proof of the simulation. This was a loop glitch 🤣
mindsurfer101101 it definitely felt as so hahah
7:03
I laughed so much at this 😅😅
Or Joe is skipping the beat
lol, yes.
Joe's question is essentially "why do we assume we're tossing the coin?" It's probability based on assumption. It's like a blind person saying "I think the sky is red" and Joe is saying "Why would you assume that? You've never seen it and everyone keeps telling you it's blue."
He's assuming based on probability, if you can't trust anything, you can triust this: what we do know is time is infinite or at least very very long compared to when it started and the present day. Then based on that premise, the probability that a simulation already happened is very close to 100% and you're already in it. That's really the crux of it.
Comment nails it rhis is like black arguing with white they will never be the same or understand each others points
Literally laughing out loud. Love JRE.
Joe you are missing the point so hard.
And this guy is bad at explaining the idea. If we have 2 outcomes: simulations aren't happening, or they will happen sometime in the future. In the SECOND case MOST likely we are in one now. BUT. What is the probability of the first 2 outcomes "happening/not happening"? 50/50? 99.9/0.01? What are the numbers? What are they based on? He gives an example of coin toss which is 50/50. Do we have numbers for simulations? Of course we don't!
@Justin Walsh woke brah
Lol can't ww2 be a simulation? Couldn't our entire history from the birth of the star be a simulation lol talk about assuming while he is literally assuming that because it happened in the past it must mot be simulated??? Eh
@@sidewinder2057 I think the guy is so smart...he can't bring it down to Joe's level or find a common point of understanding. I think his answers make sense, and the professor is in a state of "I don't know how to make this more simple than I already have stated" because the answer/explanation is already in its simplest form.
@Kyle H Exactly. All we have - are guesses and probabilities are unknown.
Terrible At Understanding Guy VS Terrible At Explaining Guy
Datashat ....nice 😏
Error 404: convo goes nowhere for 30 minutes
Lol, spot on.
Thank you for saying this. Everyone is shitting on joe for not understanding but this guy is so horrible at explaining a pretty simple concept. Like he keeps WAAAYYY over complicating it.
The explanations were fine.
It’s like when the kids are asking over and over are we there yet but he’s not yelling at JRE 😂
Holy moly this was painful. He explained it well enough the first time.
They are still having this discussion to this day
In my simulation they just finished
TO THIS DAYYYYY!
this is probably the funniest video i've ever seen. both sides have absolutely no clue what is happening inside the others head
Exactly
yeah this hurts a little
@@KermitsBadFurDay Joe isn't smart. He's curious but he's kind of an idiot. People like Bostrom are thinking WAY outside of Rogan's capabilities and it shows painfully here.
Spot on!
He does, joe doesn't. He's saying its more probable we are in a simulation than not, because it would be more likely you are in one of the sims than being the initial. Joe looking at it like its 50 - 50. Odds favor we are in simulation more than not.
Nah I died at 15:40 when joe said why after he’d just explained for like the 10th time 😂😂
I JUST TOOK A MASSIVE SIMULATION DIARRHEA DUMP WITH A MESSY SIMULATION WIPE
Nick Bostrom’s patience is astounding. This was painful to witness.
Mrs Manager, to be fair, he did a pretty bad job of explaining it to Joe. Bostrom could’ve just explained it by saying at some point in time we will be able to have millions of realistic simulations running. Why would we assume that we aren’t one of the millions? The simulation would be indistinguishable from reality so there is no real way of knowing if this life is real or simulated.
Maybe our history was simulated. Maybe all of our memories were simulated and the simulation started yesterday. Maybe time is going by at 2x faster then the speed outside of the simulation so we progress much faster than outside of the simulation.
The probability is in favor of us being in a simulation, but then again, the odds of winning the lottery are pretty damn low, but someone’s gotta win it. Either way, this video was 2 guys repeating themselves for 33min so really, we are the ones with patience to watch the entire thing XD.
Yeah Swampy Thang, this dude is pretty committed to being misunderstood. I don't think it's patience. I think this guy is getting off on Joe's confusion
@@swampythang7182 Fantastic comment!! That's what I was saying in a clumsy way with my "If there were one million scraps of paper in a bowl, how confident would Joe be that he'd pick out the ONE scrap with his phone number on it?""---comment. Yours much more expansive. Could there have been a slight language barrier, I wonder? Joe isn't usually this slow to the gate.
@@1060michaelg , that is a great simple analogy. I think Joe was probably trying to play "devil's advocate" like he normally does. Just, in this case, devils advocate turned into repeatedly saying "Why would we assume we're in a simulation?" Because that really is the only argument you can make against us being in a simulation.
Bostrom couldn't answer that question because there is no answer at all. The best answer would be "All we can do is look at the statistics and make an educated guess."
@@swampythang7182 Thanks, You nail it squarely saying "There is no answer at all." Absolutely correct. Bostrom was trying to get across concepts like; Being INSIDE, we have no objectivity---it's all subjective. A Quantum scientist and probability mathematics people would grasp easily, 'How do we KNOW a mile is a mile? What does it really mean? Just because Joe wakes up and eats, sees his car outside the window, he has no proof that THIS is not the first day of another simulation?'"
Put another way: Every second is a new frame in the "Time Game", so we are all actually are living tiny Quantum bits at a time.
I hope I didn't muddy the water, but your words made me dig a little deeper.
JOE : i don't have an opinion on this topic
also JOE : *asks 100 times the same question and does not give a shit about the lads point*
When Joe described reality, it seemed more preposterous for it not to be a simulation.
Is it just me or does this feel like the exact same conversation being recorded over and over again. the exact same points lmao
Lost patience and decided to see the comments. Wasn't disappointed lol
same here
#MeToo And Epstein didn't kill himself.
Jonny Lawrence SAME bro 😂. I had to see if I was the only one lol
lol mee too!
Literally exactly what I’m doing right now about 10 minutes in
I'm about to throw this iPad through my wall and straight at Joe's head. Holy hell
Joe is painfully, involuntarily obtuse on this topic.
We wouldn't know if we were in a properly constructed simulation.
Its not that hard to understand.
I don’t know how everybody else is struggling to understand this if there are 1 million simulated copies of earths entire history with fully conscious DIGITALY SIMULATED HUMANS. Which are HISTORICALY ACURATE TO THE ORIGINAL EARTH. Let’s say 7 trillion people live and die on earth but at some point in the distant future we simulated earths history 1 million times then that means there will be 7 trillion real humans and 7E18 seven to the power of 18 simulated humans WHICH THINK THEY ARE REAL. Now what’s more likely. It’s figuratively a million to one literally it’s waaaaaay lower probability
Shanky 81 No one is struggling to understand that except for Joe
Probably the same reason he doesn't believe in god see atheists think they are smart but in reality you can be Moron and be a atheist because you don't need any thinking at all to be one . Just like animals don't have religion. Religion just like math and science take a higher intelligence. Then not believing in shit .
Roman Max Religion does not necessarily require higher intelligence.
At the end Joe Rogan " I still don't understand!!!!"😂🤣😂🤣
The point was it only takes one "real reality" to unleash millions of simulations, which forcefully will happen in the timeline of the whole time of the Universe. So the probability of the now being that first reality is very thin to say the least, although statistically possible.
But 1 thing all simulations have in common is that they all have simulations in their simulation. So since we still dont have simulation, we have to either be last on the list of the simulations or real reality who will unleash millions of simulations. So in that case, chance that we are in simulation are 50:50 not 1 in a million.
Joe "i dont understand probability" Rogan
Joe Rogan
He really outed himself by saying "I would rather believe"
@@ColtonPhillips correct after that it's just pure ego and bubble talk, instead of acknowledging he didn't understand the concept and asking for guidance he brings the conversation into a loop
Joe” I don’t have an opinion on this” Rogan
Cough cough...
Hahahah
Poor guy didn’t know what he signed up for
"Why isn't it possible?" "It's just not..." "Why not, you stupid bastard!?" was the first thing that came to my mind XD
Omg. A Joe Rogan Boltzman Brain???
I can’t even 😂😂😂
This video is proof that Jamie does not give a FUCKK lol
Please explain this? What does he have to do with the conversation?
@@dwntwn9221 Did he step in and try to help??! For 30 fucking minutes he let these two run in a circle. Maybe he was shopping for high heels, who knows
Douglas Chibe duddddee!! Jamie was letting him hang out to dry after joe gave him the stfu look for butting in on the elliptical comment!
Jamie didn't step in and help because our flames gave him PTSD
Legend has joe is still asking this question repeatedly in different tones
A simulation we should, and thankfully did, cut short.
🤣🤣🤣
It's 3 years later. Joe Rogan is now making grunting noises, and drooling. Nick Bostrom is still patiently trying to get Joe to make sense of the simulation theory.
I can finally vouch for when Joe says “I’m a stupid guy who likes smart things”
Probability can’t be proven.
Joe doesn't seem to get that the dinosaurs, columbus, iPhone, Word war 2 would ALL be part of a potential simuation.. lol
Brace110 I didn’t know the alphabet went to war
Dang word wars
Yeah the alphabetrium fought the number snakes. Reenactment on rick and morty. DUH... wubba lubba dub dub.
Exactly. Each simulation would start with it's own big bang and so on.
@@kktori Or at least each simulation would replicate the cosmic radio background and other evidence that would point to a big bang, even if the event hadn't "occurred" within the simulation.
Joe's ego is having a hard time fitting inside the simulation.
Mic drop
Yeah my ego's having none of it either
but bruh that's the secret to escaping the simulation bruhhh
manifest the ego as a source of energy and exert it upon the boundaries of that synthetic reality and then boooooom, #WeFreeNow 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
☝️☝️this guy knows what's up!
I realized after about 10 minutes that I was getting a little frustrated listening to Joe say the same thing over and over again. Then I realized that I was only 1/3 of the way through a 30 minute video.
Nobel prize of patience for Nick Bostom
The two slit experiment could be considered a step toward proof that we are simulated.
say more
“In this simulation, let’s make Joe Rogan unable to do thought experiments!”
The most unproductive conversation I've ever heard.
Y2K was the beginning of the simulation
This dude was extremely patient with Joe.
@@CBT5777 him trying to make the show last longer or not has nothing to do with him saying the same thing over and over again. Joe is most likely questioning and wanting affirmation that this reality is more likely to be the original timelines and that it's less likely to be a simulation. But if you're choosing that there could be simulations in the future then you have to take that into account no matter if you say there might be simulations or there will be simulations. Because there would be millions of chances for a simulation over the one chance of a non simulation. He isn't getting that point. He isn't getting that there is a one in over one million chance..he's only taking it as the guy isn't giving this reality a chance of non simulation.
@@CBT5777 +1 for saying people are "to stupid." That was fun.
Also, I disagree Joe was trying to prolong the show. He just wasn't understanding the concept of the anthropic principle.
Was he ever patient. Only time I have ever been annoyed by Joe.
Viceversa
@@MusclesNOTtattoos true. Surprises me how people choose one side lol. Insane. They are both extremely patient.
Snap out of it, Joe. He answered the question 10 times. This is painful to watch.
This is so difficult to watch. Joe is awful in this segment. Hope he can address this.
In the base reality , Joe Rogan understands 😂
In my head, we would never know whether we exist or don't exist in a simulation until each and every one of our simulation experiences comes to an end. So I feel the answer may be discovered once we leave this realm. I would have argued that entering a simulation blind to the fact that we are entering a simulation would lead me to believe that we are in a simulation currently. I don't think it's within our remit within this simulation to determine that we are in a simulation, because if we are hear to experience everything we need to experience, then knowing this premise before we entered, and then keeping this knowledge would give you an unfair advantage. If there's an example of a being who entered this realm, knowing it was a simulation and then being able to hack the codes, I would point to Jesus right. Jesus to me, clearly exhibits traits of a being that has retained the knowledge of existing outside of the simulation - think about it.
I believe in Jesus, but what if he never actually existed? It’s almost impossible to wrap your brain around the fact that the life you live is just a big video game for some higher life form! For me, doing something completely unpredictable of your normality, without “breaking the simulation” reassures me that my life is real and fluid.
Joe, you need to apologize to this guy. Friggin’ torture, bro.
Hahahah. Your so right as well.
I know right.
Not so much of a guest. More of a hostage.
Not really, the man never once understood his question
"I understand exactly what you're saying,"
Then says something demonstrating he obviously doesn't.
This was painful to watch...
@@sonnet1117 this is the worlds leading expert on simulation theory. Out of the 2 of them, who is more likely to be an idiot?
@@sonnet1117 Also... Joe is stuck on a stupid ass island. They cant even progress in the conversation because he refuses to get on the boat.
This is the funniest post because it’s true.
What's funny is, Joe was like this in the original reality too. Unfortunately this was just as painful, even if it was simulated.
w
joe rogan really doesn't want to be simulated
This is an April Fool joke, right? I’ve never been my frustrated before in my life.
Poor simulated Joe really doesn’t want to be a simulation.
funny how he loves his stimulation drugs but dreads being actually stimulated person lol
Haha
Uhhhhh “stimulant” drugs and “simulation” are not the same word
@YAHOOISNOTG I think you forgot to English
Joe's mind recoils in horror at the possibility that he's not Joe Prime.
Woah there's a more *ALPHA* Joe Rogan than the Joe Rogan of our simulation. wait our simulation or my simulation? or your simulation? 🤯
@@Zaptrap401 Yes
shit has me rolling thank you
BRO LOL
No i think he gets it just wants to see it in the eyes of maybe being the prime and not a simulation because we don’t hv proof that we are in one so maybe just maybe what if we are not, despite the odds of that being true
Holy cow, Joe’s having a tough time with this one. Props to him for putting himself in situations where he tries to understand hard shit live in front of millions of people, that’s dope. But, this one sure isn’t clicking for him.
It’s not that hard to understand. I’m pretty dumb and he’s basically just saying once we have the ability to create a simulation the probability we are living in real reality is very low.
If you can imagine a simulation, you're in one.... probably. 😂
Why didn't he tell Joe, "That's exactly what a simulated Joe Rogan in a simulated reality would think and say"?
But "that's exactly what a not simulated Joe Rogan in reality would think and say"?
He tried!!!!! Lmao
They should have this conversation while Joe is tripping balls...
He did. He said it would be indistinguishable
The is the most I have ever laughed at joe’s stand up 😂🤣
DaddyBadBad actual good one
Funny and frustrating bc I really want to hear more from this guy. Wished joe stopped going around in circle
JB Smoov same. I wanted to get more detailed but we couldn’t even get past the fucking introduction
Oh you're right! Kind of a "who's on first?" Rogan style
FUCKING LOL 😂
“Hey Jamie, pull up a full semester course of probability and statistics”
Joe was incredibly dense in this one - he couldn't grasp a core concept.
This was the most difficult thing to watch. Come on Joe.
Summary of this video
This guy: out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated reality than the original one.
Joe: But isn’t it possible we are not in a simulation.
This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one.
Joe: what I’m trying to say is, why are you assuming we are in a simulation, when there is no evidence for it. Isn’t it more probable that we are not in a simulation and this is reality.
This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one.
Joe: I understand what you’re saying completely, but why are you assuming we are in a simulation, isn’t it more likely that this is reality and we haven’t yet made a simulation.
This guy: well out of the million simulations, it is more likely that you are in the simulated one.
Joe: you lost me
This guy: if you don’t want to participate in this thought experiment that’s fine.
daneatienza what million simulations ?
He sounds like one of the people in that episode of Rick and Morty when they were in a simulation
@@CleetusDaily the scenario we are talking about is that in the future we will create many historical simulations. This is obviously just an assumption, not an entirely unbelievable assumption though. All that is being said here is that if we do end up creating a bunch of simulations, the probability lies in us being in one of the simulations and not in the root reality. No one is saying that we will for sure create these simulations, but that if we do create them there will be a 1/many chance that the lives we are living now are not simulated (since there will only ever be one true reality.) It's a simple probability statement and not proof of a simulation.
Hahahah Joe refuses to get the point!
A lot of people are like Joe and don’t really get this. The base issue is that if we are in a simulation we will never be able to see that we are.
Therefore we do not know if we are in a simulation or if we are the “real people” who will create simulations in the future.
With that in mind, what’s more likely:
1. That we are the only original real timeline of people.
or
2. We are living in one of millions of different hyper-realistic simulations that are, to us, indistinguishable from reality?
Undisputed: this is the most painful 33:07 in the entire history of the internet. Four years later I’ve never been able to make it past about 12 minutes. Joe….
This reminds me of the rick and morty episode of the decoy families 🤣
Had to stop watching. Hes too cringe missing the point constantly.
#metoo
Im with him tho. I still dont get what tf this guy is trying to say
@@jeremylabove5339 He's saying that assuming the potential of a simulated reality, something that is conceptually possible today (but not actually possible quite yet), it would be foolish of us to assume that we are the first iteration of reality rather than a simulation because there would be 1 such iteration to potentially an infinite amount of simulations.
Elon Musk said it best. If we reach a point where we can create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality, the chance of us being in base reality is close to zero.
First of all, I disagree that being able to do it means that most likely it'd be done. Why? Why would such an advanced tool/people decide to simulate "us"? It would be so costly regardless of the era/tech, it just doesn't make any sense to do so. Why would it be us...what would make that worth the costs?
But much more importantly & more definitively, I think, is the fact that it's very likely not possible to come anywhere close to simulating just one consciousness, let alone our entire universe. Our universe is likely quite efficient, quite elegant, so it's likely that the most efficient form of our universe is our universe, & that simulating it would be more difficult/expensive (in every sense of the word) than our actual universe's creation & evolution was/is. The staggering data involved doesn't approximate something like a hyper-advanced video game...say a video game 70 years from now that focuses on recreating with great realism our everyday lives; it's rather data on the level of...well, impossibility, & it's interesting that so many brilliant folks don't see this straight away & dismiss it on that alone - though many do...& they're correct, I believe. It's super fascinating though David, I agree on that!
@@scottsherman5262 Few points.
1. A simulation would be expensive - Yes, for us. But imagine a Type 4 civilization. Humans have already developed fission (which uses rare materials), when we develop fusion (can use hydrogen - think about how much H20 is in the ocean) we will create way more energy with a fraction of the mass. We’ll be able to create Dyson spheres to capture the energy of stars. Energy is not a complete field.
2. Would we want to? - I don’t know. We are making the meta verse though.
3. Think about physics - Everything in the universe is a formula, whether we know the formula or not. From quantum mechanics to space-time to developing consciousness. It does appear we could be a complicated version of reinforced learning (program used to develop AI - create environment and let characters roam who learn based on reward systems)
But why?
@@scottsherman5262 a species that would create nuclear weapons and do a vast multitude of things that shouldn't have, but did, would run it.
I think the question is, if they did, would they run a sim that mirrored their reality? I think we would simulate things that never happened, not the same.
@@scottsherman5262 expand ur mind. It wouldn't be us, ever. It would be level 3 beings doing it for their own educational purposes. We're the ants.
I came back to say this has got to be one of the funniest Joe Rogan clips that I have ever seen and I say this with honesty, absolutely hilarious!
must say, super entertaining as well,😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
God! How is Joe not grasping this? 😂
Tapping out at 19 minutes before I break my phone in half
You’re patience is high I got to 6:30
Bostrom: Joe let’s speculate. Here are two very simple thought experiments that may help you understand the probability aspect of Simulation theory. Joe: But that’s PURE SPECULATION. Bostrom: Yes.
Bostrom: if technology keeps the pace it has, barring condition A, (whereby our civilization self destructs, or B, whereby we all agree to halt technology advancement), then it’s logical to assume eventually we will create hyper-realistic simulations indistinguishable from reality. if we assume one million such simulations will eventually exist, and only ONE base reality ever existed, it’s far more likely we are in one of those million simulations, because probability. Joe: I COMPLETELY understand that. But WHY wouldn’t it actually be far more likely we are in base reality??
17:55, Bostrom ALMOST got to the root of Joe’s inability to grasp this concept. He says “There are a million simulations, right, and you cannot tell from the inside-“ at which point Joe cuts Bostrom off, before he could finish and say “cannot tell from the inside THAT YOU ARE IN A SIMULATION because every PROOF that you’re in base reality is ALSO simulated”. SOO FRUSTRATING!!!!
Come on Joe....damn!!!!..... I'm a hillbilly and I understand the man....
Doubt it
@@runningbear6391 when the hell is Joe ever the smart one
His misunderstanding could have been easily addressed by explaining the fact that the reason it’s more probable to be in the simulation due to the fact that there would be many many many more simulated realities than the 1 base reality.
I do not think Joe is hung up on that. I think Joe cant get past they we are not at that point of making simulations yet, so its not likely it ever happens. He thinks of it as a theory that cannot be proven yet so in that case its automatically less likely to be true. which is false but I can see how people would get that wrong.
It's an ape brain and a foreigner talking. That's not a good combo
yA bUt wHat If iT hasnT hapPened yEt?!
I come back to this video every so often to remind myself that I can ask all the right questions and still not get the point.
This is one of those rare moments where DMT fails to enhance one’s intelligence.
Except its not.
@@heyllo1337 totally is though
There's no studies that would even touch on this subject, so it's completely pointless to argue. That being said I've done DMT multiple times, and though it definitely broadened my perspective, I would have a hard time comprehending how it could positively effect your futute ability to learn or apply new skills. No evidence at all either way..
@@danielharrington5690 wowza someone who did DMT who doesnt brag about being an enlightened thinker.