EA is also the name of Enki, the Annunaki that messed with our genome or some primates genome,maybe homo erectus.. It's all there in Ancient Sumerian, carved in Stone. And in Science carved in our DNA.
@@thepagecollectiveas far as I’m aware, most who believe in simulation theory don’t worship a deity, and they don’t follow a code of ethics that is hinged on reality being a simulation. By definition that means it’s not religious.
@@WickedIndigo A religion needs no code whatsoever, nor worship. It is merely the belief in an unnecessary, unprovable creator, for which there is no evidence what so ever, and has been demonstrated as impossible by rigorous scientific inquiry. That's simulation theory.
@@nekez2327 It revealed to him, in a subtle formatical and mathermatical way, that there is no equilbrillium. In other words, there is only reaching. You cannot gain acheivement by the grab nor the reach. Just reach.
Well he didnt come on the podcast for hes looks atlest hes not saying its truth what hes saying.just telling what he believes take it or leave it or add to it.
Two of the best interviewers in the world today talking deep shit. This is what the information age is supposed to be about. I'm forever grateful for Rogan and lex. For their unmatched honesty and humility. We desperately need these two guys around as long as possible in order for us to stay relevant in this simulation 🙏
Man, I miss the Alex that we get to see on JRE. I’ve tried going back to Infowars just to see what Alex is up to, but that version of him doesn’t exist on Infowars anymore. He’s pandering to his audience hard. It’s like another Breitbart at this point. They clearly have an agenda, and it is so transparent. I wish we could get 2004-2012 Alex back, but it’s not going to happen.
Define winning?.. money isn't everything.. (Don't get me wrong, I think he's winning to a degree.. but working endlessly isn't always necessarily winning)
@@facts-GPT If the game was 'achievement' based then he's right up there. Personally I find existence itself to be weird enough to make me wonder if it's all real, but to be a billionaire innovator genius as well would really make me doubt reality.
The scariest thing I ever heard or qouted from a podcast is that we are a simulation sitting on the shelf of a alien teenager that he has forgotten about and only got a F for a grade...
Which, please note that, is not the doom we're subjected to. Many of the greats of our civilization got F before rising high, and if they could, the world that made and/or sustains them can do it, too. Never give up - that's what we do because that's what our world does, and what are we if not the way for our universe to reflect upon itself, self-inspect, find its' limitations and expand further?
Imagine waking up from a futuristic dream but you're in a dank cave, filled with shitty drawings, you have a shitty ass, and a sabertooth tiger is outside, threatening the life of your and your hairy mistress. That would suck.
I love this dialogue and the talk about conscious way toward the end. You reach the virtual reality and on the other side you find it’s just life because there would be no difference in the end; and it’s just a process, a dance, it’s just a concept and the mind has created it so to transcend the evolution of the mind which is itself inside the simulation then nothing is not inside it or out because you have reached yet another concept. There’s a complexity that they reach and so many more questions when in the end it’s all just consciousness; an isness or awareness; because the irrelevancy of whether or not we are in it means there is nothing to understand because it’s just the mind, the ego (identification with thought that is needed in order to continue to survival) trying to one up the universe; I.e. have power over it and thus conquer death. Interesting.
Reminds me of Chopin's quote, though you could say his works in reverse: "Simplicity is the final achievement. After one has played a vast quantity of notes and more notes, it is simplicity that emerges as the crowning reward of art."
And also wrong.... woefully wrong!! Call it "simplicity" while negating the existence and relevancy of the complexity underlying the "simple" system of basic rules. There is the code of the program, the operating system, the computer, its components, the designer, etc etc etc
it's an old asf idea too, people just don't know history. Hell, even "the authority" comic book had it, they created their own "caged baby universe" but even before that in OUR reality, hundreds of years ago, the gnostics firmly believed we live in a false light matrix, created by the demiurge, who is a pale shade of what true god is, but he doesn't know it, and believes he is god. it's like dunning kruger, all the way down realities.
Lol, Joe is unintentionally so funny sometimes! Reminded me of the video when that astronaut who was living in the ocean for a while met that creature with a big eye, Joe has a similar reaction (find it, it's hilarious). Edit: there watch?v=wMyRjES1lII Around minute 7 :)
When Joe goes whoa, I always just close the video cause I know it's too much for my brain to handle. And then I turn on the fastest video I can get to of of some comedian telling Joe a funny ass story to distract my thoughts from it.
There're things that will glitch us like that when we hear or see something relative to reality, that feeling is self awareness, and is also your third eye opening. If you follow that feeling, it is the same as the stages of death, like when you "die" on acid.
Damn! 5:50 Lex is talking about the complexity that can stem from simple building blocks and Turing machines, I just had to do a uni assignment on Turing machines and this was exactly one of my points. Binary outcome environments can be the foundation for very advanced systems, take the financial markets for example, the shear complexity, brain power and monetary investment that goes into analysing something that can only go up or down.. Lex definitely explains it way better than I did though
I kinda wish Joe understood the explanation of Conway's Game of Life. It's a pretty interesting idea to relate to simulations. Basically, instead of designing the complex end result of the simulation and creating to that end result, like game developers do now with VR games (which fall extremely short of an experience that you forget isn't real, potentially like our current life experience might be), it's the idea that you could create a simulation from the bottom up instead; create tiny units that interact with eachother in such a way that they can, on their own, merge and evolve into bigger and more complex things, such as self-sustaining lifeforms. So the idea is that, as evolution is already an observable thing, it isn't so far fetched that a simulation exists where some sort of lifeforms made some elements/atoms (sorry my chemistry isn't good) and threw them in a pot which interacted and reacted with each other, so as to develop into bigger and more complex lifeforms struggling for existence. Only thing is that with this simulation idea, we are limited, because calculating what the end result will be like would be very hard, like the creation of self-sufficient AI. It also might mean that we wouldn't necessarily be able to be part of a simulation we make, using this method. Someone correct me if I'm off.
Man that was so deep! To think that there could be simple rules put in place in this simulation (if it is a simulation) that would allow any and everything to happen as long as it’s within those simple rules. That’s mind blowing stuff.
If you've never heard about it check out something called the double slit experiment, you can find videos all over RUclips about it and it is proof in my mind that rules change when we're actually observing them in the quantum Realm
I’m not really a Joe Rogan fan - but this is the best discussion about the simulation argument I’ve seen. It’s like this conversation starts where the explanation of the simulation hypothesis ends.
Lex is a guy who would read a paragraph and will then sit on it for 30min to an hour thinking and contemplating , like my father and sometimes if it's a story there's a probability they would reach the end in their head
(Maybe?) Something really interesting i noticed, particularly with Lex; He DOESN'T look eye to eye for a lot of his thought process. I've noticed this with other guests as well (JP is another good example) and I've started to incorporate that habit into my own conversations. I'm not sure if there is a scientific name for this "tactic" but it does feel like I can more quickly distill the greater idea-fog in my head, into something verbally coherent.
For deep thinkers it is uncomfortable to make long durations of eye contact, it seems wrong or rude, when it happens the thought "Oh shiyt, I hope they didn't notice me in there shuffling through their thoughts" haha but srsly fleeting eye contact makes some of the most understood conversations, If you're talking it allows a openness of emotions and words because the talker is not relying on how the listener physically reacts to the conviction of the topic, half a millisecond of eye contact and the talker knows the story hasn't been lost with them and now want to be the listener, the listener felt the effect of emotional energy released from words, and in that half millisecond of eye contact, the Torches a Story were traded
I know if I’m staring too long at someone without brief pauses in between or quick glances away, I can’t continue the conversation because I get nervous or uncomfortable. So I usually start and end my sentences looking my at the person but can’t hold eye contact in between that time constantly.
cellular automata are so amazing that my whole arm tattoo sleeve is a cellular automata pattern :) i m glad someone mentioned how cool are cellular automata
Somewhere In space and somewhere in time a species has come to the end of their universe, so they created a singularity based cosmos simulation that we all live in. What spans 12,000,000,000 years for us may have only been 12 minutes there. That’s my stoned ape theory anyways
Interesting I remember watching a star trek episode when I was younger and can't quite remember the story now but something along the lines of the universe was running out of energy so life moved to this type of universe if that makes sense I just remember it striking me I was only about 10 at the time but it left a mark in my mind just wish I could remember the story line as it puzzled my mind for years growing up
Geezy81 81 npc theory is really fascinating, what if in any given area there are only a handle full of real players and the rest are npc. So let’s say out of 8 billion ppl there is maybe 3 billion actual players it would make a lot of sense we can’t connect with everyone cause not everyone has the perimeters to function logically. Would also explain why some people hold on to illlogical ideas to the grave cause that’s how they are designed.
So glad Lex went toward the Conway’s Game of Life approach. I’ve been meaning to make it back to his conversations with Stephen Wolfram. I still think we’re in some fairly deep binds with this approach as well though, as far as the selection of rule sets is concerned. If there’s a selector - Lex’s 13 year old kid designer - we may need to ask about the simulation status and rule sets in the dimension of reality outside this simulation. Are Transcendental designers emergent? Is it a nested simulation? Is there any reason, then, to think there isn’t an infinite regress of transcendent sheathes of simulation? Yeah, metaphysics can go fairly batshit along these lines. It’s not something that can be rationally discarded and it’s irrational to think the Universe is void of metaphysical conditions. Its enough to make anyone who wants an inordinate amount of certainty wriggle around uncomfortably. Many scientists be soiling their lab frocks.
I disagree. Joe had on a lot of physicist, philosophers, biologists, psychologists, mathematicians, and computer scientists and he is fully aware of this simple concept. This actually comes up with his meathead friends Joey and that other guy when they are high. To me he made that expression because he was trying very hard to show interest in the dull excited reaction Lex had, that every year-1 philosophy student learns: random simplicity creates complexity, randomly.
Your idea that complexity emerges based on knowledge of self and the few squares around you makes me think of the golden ratio and how that is formed. The more squares you add, the larger the idea, which allows for new and unknown patterns of all shapes and sizes to emerge.
I'm glad someone finally presented the idea to Joe, and highlighted this element in general, that a simulation need not be one where what we see around us was created with intention at the macroscopic scale, with individual people and events having been designed. As Lex describes, it is also very possible and perhaps even likely that it is a simulation at a more fundamental level, with the complexity we see emergent from base simplicity. The examples of The Matrix and of VR/Videogames have unfortunately overshadowed what would in essence be more advanced forms of simulations currently run in the areas of academia and science. A simulated universe that started much like our own is a different prospect entirely from what is popularized by the general public.
I find that a really good way to live life is to imagine everything as a river and you in it, go with the flow swim with the current not against it, if this is a simulation then that is definetly one of the major rules to follow for a good life
Lex, I love your description of the simulation theory being much more simple than we realize. It sounds very much like how we deal with proc gen in video games. Defined in rules and put into rng numbers that then do things based on more rules.... :) Never heard anyone explain it like that, I think its a really fascinating topic, purely because we cannot "scientifically" prove it....
was just thinking about this before seeing the video. I can remember as a kid of 4 thinking about everything being revolved around me. no past or feature after me and having no way to prove that untrue.
@@Customk123 Yup, it's an easy way to fall into sociopathy. Not being able to dispel something does not mean it is true, so operating under the assumption it is true is faulty logic.
We always look at things from the perspective of our current reality. We think we’ve mastered the idea of a simulation, so we theorize that maybe the world we live in is like the one we made! Asking what is outside the simulation is no different than asking a scientist where the edge of the universe is, and what happened before the Big Bang. None of us know but we might be getting closer
Best thing about a simulation is what does it matter? Because we are conscious of ourselves. And in the reality that we know we matter. So in the big picture do we even know what reality is? Not really, but it doesn't matter.
I've been saying that ever since I heard it. Life has no meaning, there no ultimate goal and we just happened to be created here. But this life is all I know, it's all I care about. Find your own meaning in this life.
@@dm3402 if it's a simulation why do we find the need to be ruled and have rulers? I don't think we are here to run the governments wheels and than die...
@@masrvneck4201 well u were born in a first world country where in general your collective society has chosen to contribute comunally in exchange for public services, infrastructure, food, ur internet, ect. The history of the planet and the events therein just happened for governments to happen now and throughout history. If we weren't meant to do it, it is strange how humanity tends to self govern. Then again that's just the actions of the past Billions and Billions of people.. Basically I'm saying people don't have to, and many have not or still don't.
Lex's own podcast with Jim Keller (of chipmaking fame from almost every important company that makes chips) had a pretty great talk about this topic too.
If we’re in a simulation then time would run different outside the simulation vs inside the simulation. It’s entirely possible that when we die the entirety of the simulation is played out all at one time, so there’s no time lapse between death and the afterlife. That could also mean that in the time it takes for whoever runs the simulation to experience one second is the same amount of time for the entirety of our universe to be born and die.
Or that time isn't an issue outside of the simulation. Therefore you can experience "characters" throughout the timeline... Caveman to traversing solar systems 🤷🏻♀️
@@NeinFeline Any measurement we have of time/simulations would disagree. Gravity in a simulation is relative (gravity affects time), so is any measurement (ie: sun positioning) too. If someone controls simulations/can change them they can change time. They could also edit consciousness, or erase data (changing our perception of time). In simulations now we have features that can speed through or rewind time. Why would a more complex simulation have less complex features? Why would beings in a simulation be smarter than the creator of said simulation? We have machines now that could go through millions of calculations in a second. Why wouldn’t a better computer be better equipped to run calculations instantaneously? Basically our calculations have already been ran on the machine, and the operators are reading the results of the data in their time. While we’re just the data being ran.
@@rickysmith923 so what if there's no gravity outside of the simulation... I agree with the last part but I would never assume what participants in the simulation would be capable of knowing more than those outside of it (through the guise that participants elect not to know)... With that premise, gravity being a variable in the simulation doesn't necessarily have to translate to origin... It could just be "hey, what if we couldn't simply fly everywhere like we can... Wouldn't that be funny?"
The thing that really makes me think it just might be, is the fact that almost every foundation asking for money, usually asks for that $19 a month. The common sub routine to not having many to complicate the program in running. Make all things the same cost.
"What would be a compelling enough virtual reality game that you would want to stay there..." My understanding of the simulation is that we ourselves may be simulated beings, NOT that we are physical beings living outside the simulation "jacked" into it (we are the NPCs). I think I remember Joe talking in a similar manner on another video. I've not seen all of his videos, so I don't know if he's been introduced to the idea that he could himself be AI. I've heard other people discuss this and speak as though we're living outside the simulation. Unless we are talking a Matrix type of scenario where we are plugged into the simulation against our will from birth, it makes little sense to me why we would enter into a simulation and presumably wipe/suppress our memory (otherwise, we would know we're in a simulation and could simply exit it). He also has the simulation argument wrong. It is that ANY advanced civilisation (anywhere in the universe or even outside of our observable universe should intelligent life exist there) would destroy themselves before achieving a level of technological maturity that they would have the ability to run a simulation advanced enough to produce our reality as we perceive it. The second part is that if ANY civilisation were to reach a level of advancement where they could run such a simulation that they would choose not to. That has the bases pretty well covered. He didn't offer an effective argument against it.
I love this podcast. There is always something on here that makes you think. I feel like some people definitely try to complicate life too much. So if we are living a video game...... what about birds, cockroaches, spiders, single cell organisms are they living in their own virtual reality?
That's a kinda silly way to counter the argument, like saying if this is a simulation what about other humans? Most simulations interesting enough to create won't have one single type of character.
I had a mushroom trip where I went inside my mind unconcious and I saw infinity reaching the cusp of nothing. It told me that within nothing is all possibilities and that conciousness's job is to move towards infinite complexity to reach nothing again. It was as if everything was nothing, in equillibrium with itself.
Going by his theory of “starting out with simple rules and watch it grow” is interesting. Because when you simply everything in life, life becomes sooo much easier.
I was a fan of Conway's game of life since the 1970s when only those with mainframe computers could play with it. I have not thought of him for years, then come to find that he passed of COVID-19 recently. Damn. Conway lit the fuse for cellular automata research.
That's a sign of someone who is truly enlightened. In fact this person climbed to the apex of a Dunning-Krueger plot and slid down the other side. Definitely an expert.
If this is a simulation, its probably made by EA, because its clearly pay to win.
Tht was good. 😂 so good.
Shit, pay to play too...
EA is also the name of Enki, the Annunaki that messed with our genome or some primates genome,maybe homo erectus.. It's all there in Ancient Sumerian, carved in Stone. And in Science carved in our DNA.
Snap
EA sports, its literally inside a game
Always feel like this guy has 2 silencer pistols tucked by his waist
Agent 42
hitman wearing a wig
"2 silencer pistols"
Someone lives in california
At least 1, no way he doesnt have at least 1 if not 2
Barcode on the neck
Lex: long uninterrupted monologue on game of life science
Joe: “Jesus”
The Pope: exactly
Big laffs
It's amazing how so many believers in simulation theory think they are not religious.
@@thepagecollectiveas far as I’m aware, most who believe in simulation theory don’t worship a deity, and they don’t follow a code of ethics that is hinged on reality being a simulation. By definition that means it’s not religious.
@@WickedIndigo A religion needs no code whatsoever, nor worship. It is merely the belief in an unnecessary, unprovable creator, for which there is no evidence what so ever, and has been demonstrated as impossible by rigorous scientific inquiry. That's simulation theory.
@@WickedIndigo But it is a belief in creationism which is both philosophical and religious. Like taoism it doesn't need to be a sect of religion
The Universe has an interesting way of saying "It's none of your Business"
www.cheniere.org/misc/interview1991.htm
It is a business. We dont want Russia or China to understand it first.
Unkel Faka it don't matter higher powers win every time , who really wins is what the dmt shows you so when you win lemme know cause I won
@@trevdogbunkers1048 what did it show you
@@nekez2327 It revealed to him, in a subtle formatical and mathermatical way, that there is no equilbrillium. In other words, there is only reaching. You cannot gain acheivement by the grab nor the reach. Just reach.
@@waedjradi in that theory there would be no point in the reach in the first place. And if that was true things would never of advanced in any way
It doesn't help that he's dressed like Agent Smith.
Karma Android “Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world?”
Karma Android Mr. An der son😎🕴🏃♂️
Snipey1904 it was a disaster, entire crops were lost.
Go Radiohead!
Yes and his clothes look factory new, seriously look closely
Lex: "I'm not an expert in anything"
Also Lex: **continues to speak in expert**
Continues to speak in expert😍😂🤣
Lex: "I'm not an expert in anything"
title of the video "AI Expert Lex Friedman"
Not really though.. he used "I think" throughout the video.. pretty cool guy I think
the brightest minds are generally pretty humble
Well he didnt come on the podcast for hes looks atlest hes not saying its truth what hes saying.just telling what he believes take it or leave it or add to it.
Discussion of the simulation reminds me of when Rick and Morty played "Roy"
I think about that episode on a daily basis
What episode is that again
@@owaminkosi5179 you should get that checked
The funny things is that people can have those experience
Lex took him off the grid and Joe went back to work at the carpet store
Two of the best interviewers in the world today talking deep shit. This is what the information age is supposed to be about. I'm forever grateful for Rogan and lex. For their unmatched honesty and humility. We desperately need these two guys around as long as possible in order for us to stay relevant in this simulation 🙏
Alex Jones is watching this, still wearing his dirty ‘NASA shirt’ : IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS, WTF JOE!?
Joe Rogan**
*Moe Hogan
Bob Saget*
*Jeffrey Epstein
Man, I miss the Alex that we get to see on JRE. I’ve tried going back to Infowars just to see what Alex is up to, but that version of him doesn’t exist on Infowars anymore. He’s pandering to his audience hard. It’s like another Breitbart at this point. They clearly have an agenda, and it is so transparent.
I wish we could get 2004-2012 Alex back, but it’s not going to happen.
If we in a simulation then the one who plays my character is definitely a noob
Some of us are definitely AFK.
Best thing I've read all day haha, thanks for that
That would be the ones that are vegetables...
Yup
Some of these people are modded af too 😭
9:09 "concussion can be present in different kinds of forms" that right there blew my mind because earlier today i was contemplating that very thought
When I clicked on the video I expected him to have a Russian accent.
Khellooo, khaw aar yu?
Lex: “I’m not an expert in anything.”
Yung Jamie- “AI expert Lex Friedman”
D Burris bro is definitely a expert in something or maybe I’m just high as fuck cus this interview is amazing
Good guy Jamie
He's a Lexpert
robert lane an expert *
I searched for this comment after hearing it. Glad I didnt have to go far lmao
You can see why Elon Musk would consider the possibility he's in a simulation. He's winning the game against 8 billion others.
Actually it’s 7.76 billion people that are playing the simulation I am powerful
Define winning?.. money isn't everything..
(Don't get me wrong, I think he's winning to a degree.. but working endlessly isn't always necessarily winning)
@@facts-GPT If the game was 'achievement' based then he's right up there. Personally I find existence itself to be weird enough to make me wonder if it's all real, but to be a billionaire innovator genius as well would really make me doubt reality.
To be the winner, all the contestants would have to agree on the rules. Musk is very entertaining, but he is definitely not winning the game of life.
Yeah but when it’s a meet&fuck simulator, we’ll see who the winner is then...
Joe Rogan: "AI EXPERT!"
AI EXPERT: " I'm not an expert on anything"
That's the difference between a pseudo intellectual and a proper intellectual.
Is it okay if I'm drinking all your water?
*Adderall intensifies*
Why does this dude look like he’s going to erase all of our memories at some point on this podcast
He already did.
There was a podcast?
What was the question again
Who?
What?
A simulation, playing a simulation, disguised as another simulation
SIMULCEPTION!
I wish more people got this.
LIKE THE MOVIE INCEPTION BASICALLY
😱
I don't drop the simulation till it drop DLC.
When Joe said "Jesus" like a chimp that just learnt something mind blowing
This made my day
This got me 😅😅
Oo oo ah ah
The scariest thing I ever heard or qouted from a podcast is that we are a simulation sitting on the shelf of a alien teenager that he has forgotten about and only got a F for a grade...
Man that's amazing.
I am high as a kite
@@xLightcrystalx lol
It’s like that rick and morty episode
Which, please note that, is not the doom we're subjected to. Many of the greats of our civilization got F before rising high, and if they could, the world that made and/or sustains them can do it, too. Never give up - that's what we do because that's what our world does, and what are we if not the way for our universe to reflect upon itself, self-inspect, find its' limitations and expand further?
Dude
We're all a part of a mad DMT dream/trip some caveman from 80000 BC is having.
Hahah
Lol he’s seeing the future 😂 he’s gonna start fire or some shit
🧐🧐🤔🤔
“It’s entirely possible”
Imagine waking up from a futuristic dream but you're in a dank cave, filled with shitty drawings, you have a shitty ass, and a sabertooth tiger is outside, threatening the life of your and your hairy mistress. That would suck.
I already watched this video in another simulation
I already relied to your comment about watching this video in another simulation, in another simulation
I already jerked off twice in a similar simulation
The next guy is gonna reply to me for the second time by saying "I'm gay"
@@destin842 I'm gay in the simulation inside this simulation
Dallas Blaze bahahahahahha wtf did I just read
I love this dialogue and the talk about conscious way toward the end. You reach the virtual reality and on the other side you find it’s just life because there would be no difference in the end; and it’s just a process, a dance, it’s just a concept and the mind has created it so to transcend the evolution of the mind which is itself inside the simulation then nothing is not inside it or out because you have reached yet another concept. There’s a complexity that they reach and so many more questions when in the end it’s all just consciousness; an isness or awareness; because the irrelevancy of whether or not we are in it means there is nothing to understand because it’s just the mind, the ego (identification with thought that is needed in order to continue to survival) trying to one up the universe; I.e. have power over it and thus conquer death. Interesting.
I find that there is little difference between a simulated reality and a created reality.
Like red dead redemption? That’s a very realistic game
I see whatchu mean, videogames could be the definition of simulated reality, and our lives could be created reality.
Based on your personal experience with each? STFU
When Joe says, "Jesus", and the camera cuts to him, I can see his brain split in half in that fraction of a second.
CasualScrub lol he looks like a caveman at the point in time
By the time i saw his reaction I went straight down to the comment section to find this
joe lets his guests talk. i like him for that
@@josephdunne2446 Sometimes his guests do not let Joe talk.
Joe gets mad.
best part of the video defs ahhaaahahah
There is no spoon.
The clown has no penis.
B I am the penis man
Then how the hell am I supposed to eat this goddamn soup.
Australia has leopards.
The cake is a lie.
One of the best guests he has had on the podcast. In my opinion.
It's possible you've been in the simulation just since you woke up this morning with all your memories loaded.
@@viracocha wait is that a legit thing?
Viracocha off too google
This is how I personally believe it would work if it's a thing.
But what if I stayed up all night? 😂
“From simplicity, complexity can emerge”
Now that is such an in depth but simple quote
Reminds me of Chopin's quote, though you could say his works in reverse:
"Simplicity is the final achievement. After one has played a vast quantity of notes and more notes, it is simplicity that emerges as the crowning reward of art."
Reminds me of Jurassic Park
And also wrong.... woefully wrong!!
Call it "simplicity" while negating the existence and relevancy of the complexity underlying the "simple" system of basic rules. There is the code of the program, the operating system, the computer, its components, the designer, etc etc etc
I discovered this truth in kendo.
David Belcher this is a good argument. I think you are right. But I think matrix Russian dude is right as well.
"Could someone get JaRule on the Phone about the simulation?"
"Where is Ja!!"
I see what you did their.. haha 😂 I heard his bawls were smooth as eggs 🥚 🥚
🤣🤣🤣 so funny
ITS MUHHHHDUUUHH !
Who gives a damn what ja rule thinks right now!!!!!
A "perfect simulation" is a real universe contained in a small viewable chamber. It doesn't matter if we are a simulation, we are still real.
man could you imagine, they just click on the planet it brings up cameras to every city and all that
Well stated and realized 👌
No matter what, we're still something, whatever that is
the question will now be,...do we have control of our destiny??
it's an old asf idea too, people just don't know history. Hell, even "the authority" comic book had it, they created their own "caged baby universe" but even before that in OUR reality, hundreds of years ago, the gnostics firmly believed we live in a false light matrix, created by the demiurge, who is a pale shade of what true god is, but he doesn't know it, and believes he is god. it's like dunning kruger, all the way down realities.
7:46 Joe’s mind literally blown.
🤣🤣🤣
Expert says: “I can’t believe I just said that, I’m not an expert in anything.” Hahaa! Awesome.
Knowing everything is knowing you know nothing
Stay humble .. this guy knows how to do it 🤯👍
He looks like he's from the matrix.
Mr Rogan...
That's the whole idea :)
Rue Glock lmao
i think he looks more like a waiter
@@ultimatesteve Yeah minus the jacket maybe
7:44 Joe's expression here is hilarious, I literally burst out laughing when I saw it.
It was the best 2 seconds of RUclips I’ve seen all month.
I too laughed out loud
His face hahaha
But he’s always done that face ?! Have you watched his early stuff ?
The phone statement I've always agreed on. How much more can we go with phones
During his monologue I was waiting to see Joe’s reaction. When it pans to him and his face is like >_< JESUS, I lost it.
Lol, Joe is unintentionally so funny sometimes!
Reminded me of the video when that astronaut who was living in the ocean for a while met that creature with a big eye, Joe has a similar reaction (find it, it's hilarious).
Edit: there watch?v=wMyRjES1lII
Around minute 7 :)
When Joe goes whoa, I always just close the video cause I know it's too much for my brain to handle. And then I turn on the fastest video I can get to of of some comedian telling Joe a funny ass story to distract my thoughts from it.
When Joe said “Jesus” man I felt that
Honduran616 🤯🤯
There're things that will glitch us like that when we hear or see something relative to reality, that feeling is self awareness, and is also your third eye opening. If you follow that feeling, it is the same as the stages of death, like when you "die" on acid.
You sure you felt it or was the simulation telling you you feel something?
The look on his face at that moment made me laugh out loud
drbeavi5 😂
Damn! 5:50 Lex is talking about the complexity that can stem from simple building blocks and Turing machines, I just had to do a uni assignment on Turing machines and this was exactly one of my points. Binary outcome environments can be the foundation for very advanced systems, take the financial markets for example, the shear complexity, brain power and monetary investment that goes into analysing something that can only go up or down.. Lex definitely explains it way better than I did though
I kinda wish Joe understood the explanation of Conway's Game of Life. It's a pretty interesting idea to relate to simulations. Basically, instead of designing the complex end result of the simulation and creating to that end result, like game developers do now with VR games (which fall extremely short of an experience that you forget isn't real, potentially like our current life experience might be), it's the idea that you could create a simulation from the bottom up instead; create tiny units that interact with eachother in such a way that they can, on their own, merge and evolve into bigger and more complex things, such as self-sustaining lifeforms.
So the idea is that, as evolution is already an observable thing, it isn't so far fetched that a simulation exists where some sort of lifeforms made some elements/atoms (sorry my chemistry isn't good) and threw them in a pot which interacted and reacted with each other, so as to develop into bigger and more complex lifeforms struggling for existence.
Only thing is that with this simulation idea, we are limited, because calculating what the end result will be like would be very hard, like the creation of self-sufficient AI. It also might mean that we wouldn't necessarily be able to be part of a simulation we make, using this method.
Someone correct me if I'm off.
The deeper the crease inbetween Joe’s eyes, the more DMT that is released
@Dweeeeeezy09 why so salty tho
Dweeeeeezy09 CANT THINK OF FUNNY JOKE
MAKES FUN OF SOMONE WHO MADE A FUNNY JOKE
Squeezing out pineal juice
This guy should just say "mr anderson" after everything
Man that was so deep! To think that there could be simple rules put in place in this simulation (if it is a simulation) that would allow any and everything to happen as long as it’s within those simple rules. That’s mind blowing stuff.
If you've never heard about it check out something called the double slit experiment, you can find videos all over RUclips about it and it is proof in my mind that rules change when we're actually observing them in the quantum Realm
Right, bro? The so-called “laws of nature” could just be a simple program.
I’m not really a Joe Rogan fan - but this is the best discussion about the simulation argument I’ve seen. It’s like this conversation starts where the explanation of the simulation hypothesis ends.
A set of initial conditions that are allowed to unfold without limit... Sounds like the big bang.
Zero Neutral yessir
This is the smartest 12 year old I’ve ever seen
Is the Lex guy in the bathroom or something? Letting his kid fill in for him?
I could listen to Lex all day long, he is absolutely fascinating!
I love Being high and my brain already knowing I’m going to RUclips to watch whatever joe Rogan pops up!
This guy is way overdressed for drinking whiskey and smoking pot with joe rogan lol
🤣
he always dresses like that
Nothing wrong with rocking a suit
Don't forget blasting off into hyperspace with DMT! It's a Joe Rogan essential.
He drinks all of the water that's why he is dressed like that.
"Jesus"
That moment when Joe Rogan realized that GOD might be a stupid kid playing a game based on simple rules that evolved into complexity.
Hahaha
Daniel Brown haha good one 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
That would mean he doesn't believe in stupid kids,
@Daniel Brown lol daniel dookie brown barely find out about the word boomer. Cringe ass hipster dweeb
7:45
Lex is a guy who would read a paragraph and will then sit on it for 30min to an hour thinking and contemplating , like my father and sometimes if it's a story there's a probability they would reach the end in their head
(Maybe?) Something really interesting i noticed, particularly with Lex; He DOESN'T look eye to eye for a lot of his thought process. I've noticed this with other guests as well (JP is another good example) and I've started to incorporate that habit into my own conversations. I'm not sure if there is a scientific name for this "tactic" but it does feel like I can more quickly distill the greater idea-fog in my head, into something verbally coherent.
For deep thinkers it is uncomfortable to make long durations of eye contact, it seems wrong or rude, when it happens the thought "Oh shiyt, I hope they didn't notice me in there shuffling through their thoughts" haha but srsly fleeting eye contact makes some of the most understood conversations, If you're talking it allows a openness of emotions and words because the talker is not relying on how the listener physically reacts to the conviction of the topic, half a millisecond of eye contact and the talker knows the story hasn't been lost with them and now want to be the listener, the listener felt the effect of emotional energy released from words, and in that half millisecond of eye contact, the Torches a Story were traded
I know if I’m staring too long at someone without brief pauses in between or quick glances away, I can’t continue the conversation because I get nervous or uncomfortable. So I usually start and end my sentences looking my at the person but can’t hold eye contact in between that time constantly.
cellular automata are so amazing that my whole arm tattoo sleeve is a cellular automata pattern :) i m glad someone mentioned how cool are cellular automata
If the government came out an hour from now and told us we live in a simulation, they’re still going to make me go to work tomorrow.
part of the simulation lol
When Rogan said “Jesus” that’s what I imagine I look like when I’m exploding 😂 definitely what I’m saying 🤣🤣
Where can I get cheat codes for this game I am in? God Mode would be nice.
Somewhere In space and somewhere in time a species has come to the end of their universe, so they created a singularity based cosmos simulation that we all live in. What spans 12,000,000,000 years for us may have only been 12 minutes there.
That’s my stoned ape theory anyways
Interesting I remember watching a star trek episode when I was younger and can't quite remember the story now but something along the lines of the universe was running out of energy so life moved to this type of universe if that makes sense I just remember it striking me I was only about 10 at the time but it left a mark in my mind just wish I could remember the story line as it puzzled my mind for years growing up
Great theory. I’m in!
“Non player characters “ best way to describe all these drones that can’t see what’s right in front of them
dumb ass trump supporters.
I work in a very busy grocery store. I see NPCs everyday.
1 Republican reply and 1 Democrat reply. Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Geezy81 81 npc theory is really fascinating, what if in any given area there are only a handle full of real players and the rest are npc. So let’s say out of 8 billion ppl there is maybe 3 billion actual players it would make a lot of sense we can’t connect with everyone cause not everyone has the perimeters to function logically. Would also explain why some people hold on to illlogical ideas to the grave cause that’s how they are designed.
Josva The Noble Fool and they see you as an NPC
This is probably one of the most well dressed, most polite, and most educated man we’ve seen on the podcast. Very nice interesting guy, good episode👍🏼
So glad Lex went toward the Conway’s Game of Life approach. I’ve been meaning to make it back to his conversations with Stephen Wolfram. I still think we’re in some fairly deep binds with this approach as well though, as far as the selection of rule sets is concerned. If there’s a selector - Lex’s 13 year old kid designer - we may need to ask about the simulation status and rule sets in the dimension of reality outside this simulation. Are Transcendental designers emergent? Is it a nested simulation? Is there any reason, then, to think there isn’t an infinite regress of transcendent sheathes of simulation? Yeah, metaphysics can go fairly batshit along these lines. It’s not something that can be rationally discarded and it’s irrational to think the Universe is void of metaphysical conditions. Its enough to make anyone who wants an inordinate amount of certainty wriggle around uncomfortably. Many scientists be soiling their lab frocks.
Joe “Chimpanzee Ape” Rogan trying to fathom what he’s just heard 7:45
You could almost see the smoke coming from his ears
Gears were screaming between his ears.
And the internal voice is like: that's it Joe, this is where we stop thinking.
His chimp face was amazing. I was just waiting for Joe to follow up that pause.....
"Have you ever heard of the stoned ape theory?"
I disagree. Joe had on a lot of physicist, philosophers, biologists, psychologists, mathematicians, and computer scientists and he is fully aware of this simple concept. This actually comes up with his meathead friends Joey and that other guy when they are high.
To me he made that expression because he was trying very hard to show interest in the dull excited reaction Lex had, that every year-1 philosophy student learns: random simplicity creates complexity, randomly.
7:46 “jeezus” 🙄 expression lmaoo 😂
Your idea that complexity emerges based on knowledge of self and the few squares around you makes me think of the golden ratio and how that is formed. The more squares you add, the larger the idea, which allows for new and unknown patterns of all shapes and sizes to emerge.
that really relieved me, thanks for this video...
Lex: I’m not a expert in anything
Joe: Jamie, load the DMT
I'm glad someone finally presented the idea to Joe, and highlighted this element in general, that a simulation need not be one where what we see around us was created with intention at the macroscopic scale, with individual people and events having been designed. As Lex describes, it is also very possible and perhaps even likely that it is a simulation at a more fundamental level, with the complexity we see emergent from base simplicity. The examples of The Matrix and of VR/Videogames have unfortunately overshadowed what would in essence be more advanced forms of simulations currently run in the areas of academia and science. A simulated universe that started much like our own is a different prospect entirely from what is popularized by the general public.
I find that a really good way to live life is to imagine everything as a river and you in it, go with the flow swim with the current not against it, if this is a simulation then that is definetly one of the major rules to follow for a good life
But sometimes you gotta do your own to better yourself or you’ll end up drowning or getting taken ova by tha current
Only dead fish always move downstream. Go against the current. Strive for better, but still retain empathy for those who don't.
Lex, I love your description of the simulation theory being much more simple than we realize.
It sounds very much like how we deal with proc gen in video games. Defined in rules and put into rng numbers that then do things based on more rules.... :)
Never heard anyone explain it like that, I think its a really fascinating topic, purely because we cannot "scientifically" prove it....
was just thinking about this before seeing the video. I can remember as a kid of 4 thinking about everything being revolved around me. no past or feature after me and having no way to prove that untrue.
Sum FatGï i used to have the same experience. I used to think that if i didn’t see a person they no longer existed until i meet them again.
What yall felt has a name: Solipsism. The belief that you are the only actual sentient being snd everybody else is just anither npc.
Rand al'Thor amazing
Rand al'Thor It’s an interesting theory but in my experience it could drive you a lil cuckoo if you buy into it too much lol
@@Customk123 Yup, it's an easy way to fall into sociopathy. Not being able to dispel something does not mean it is true, so operating under the assumption it is true is faulty logic.
“I’m not an expert in anything”
Jamie calls him an expert in the title
he probably put it in the title because of that remark
Shows a healthy ego
I so love hearing someone who knows the difference between AI and AGI
We always look at things from the perspective of our current reality. We think we’ve mastered the idea of a simulation, so we theorize that maybe the world we live in is like the one we made!
Asking what is outside the simulation is no different than asking a scientist where the edge of the universe is, and what happened before the Big Bang.
None of us know but we might be getting closer
Best thing about a simulation is what does it matter? Because we are conscious of ourselves. And in the reality that we know we matter. So in the big picture do we even know what reality is? Not really, but it doesn't matter.
I've been saying that ever since I heard it. Life has no meaning, there no ultimate goal and we just happened to be created here. But this life is all I know, it's all I care about. Find your own meaning in this life.
@@dm3402 if it's a simulation why do we find the need to be ruled and have rulers? I don't think we are here to run the governments wheels and than die...
@@masrvneck4201 Just to pass the time and control people and keep everyone in line.
I feel like these math guy geniuses miss the big picture. Which you alluded to. They get lost in the details
@@masrvneck4201 well u were born in a first world country where in general your collective society has chosen to contribute comunally in exchange for public services, infrastructure, food, ur internet, ect.
The history of the planet and the events therein just happened for governments to happen now and throughout history. If we weren't meant to do it, it is strange how humanity tends to self govern. Then again that's just the actions of the past Billions and Billions of people..
Basically I'm saying people don't have to, and many have not or still don't.
Lex's own podcast with Jim Keller (of chipmaking fame from almost every important company that makes chips) had a pretty great talk about this topic too.
If we’re in a simulation then time would run different outside the simulation vs inside the simulation.
It’s entirely possible that when we die the entirety of the simulation is played out all at one time, so there’s no time lapse between death and the afterlife.
That could also mean that in the time it takes for whoever runs the simulation to experience one second is the same amount of time for the entirety of our universe to be born and die.
Or that time isn't an issue outside of the simulation. Therefore you can experience "characters" throughout the timeline... Caveman to traversing solar systems 🤷🏻♀️
@@NeinFeline if the simulation/universe is infinite then that’s necessarily occurring somewhere right now.
@@rickysmith923 sure... But that doesn't mean that time has to be a factor there.
@@NeinFeline Any measurement we have of time/simulations would disagree.
Gravity in a simulation is relative (gravity affects time), so is any measurement (ie: sun positioning) too. If someone controls simulations/can change them they can change time. They could also edit consciousness, or erase data (changing our perception of time).
In simulations now we have features that can speed through or rewind time.
Why would a more complex simulation have less complex features?
Why would beings in a simulation be smarter than the creator of said simulation?
We have machines now that could go through millions of calculations in a second. Why wouldn’t a better computer be better equipped to run calculations instantaneously?
Basically our calculations have already been ran on the machine, and the operators are reading the results of the data in their time. While we’re just the data being ran.
@@rickysmith923 so what if there's no gravity outside of the simulation... I agree with the last part but I would never assume what participants in the simulation would be capable of knowing more than those outside of it (through the guise that participants elect not to know)... With that premise, gravity being a variable in the simulation doesn't necessarily have to translate to origin... It could just be "hey, what if we couldn't simply fly everywhere like we can... Wouldn't that be funny?"
Joe Rogan brings the best conversations I like to the table! Great questions, Great Guests! Nice puff stuff! :p
2:15
So humble in this correction on the biggest platform he could be on.
Joe "has his mind exploded for minutes just to say "Jesus"" Rogan
Frosty Octopus ur forcing it
CS 💯
@@conways3897 Yeah I'm getting tired of seeing these Joe "something something" Rogan comments
@No Limits joe "joe something something rogan" rogan
The thing that really makes me think it just might be, is the fact that almost every foundation asking for money, usually asks for that $19 a month. The common sub routine to not having many to complicate the program in running. Make all things the same cost.
"What would be a compelling enough virtual reality game that you would want to stay there..." My understanding of the simulation is that we ourselves may be simulated beings, NOT that we are physical beings living outside the simulation "jacked" into it (we are the NPCs). I think I remember Joe talking in a similar manner on another video. I've not seen all of his videos, so I don't know if he's been introduced to the idea that he could himself be AI.
I've heard other people discuss this and speak as though we're living outside the simulation. Unless we are talking a Matrix type of scenario where we are plugged into the simulation against our will from birth, it makes little sense to me why we would enter into a simulation and presumably wipe/suppress our memory (otherwise, we would know we're in a simulation and could simply exit it).
He also has the simulation argument wrong. It is that ANY advanced civilisation (anywhere in the universe or even outside of our observable universe should intelligent life exist there) would destroy themselves before achieving a level of technological maturity that they would have the ability to run a simulation advanced enough to produce our reality as we perceive it. The second part is that if ANY civilisation were to reach a level of advancement where they could run such a simulation that they would choose not to. That has the bases pretty well covered. He didn't offer an effective argument against it.
7:45 ==> Classic Joe rogan mindblown reaction/face lmaoo
If he shaved his hair then he would just be hitman from the love action movies.
Or Sinead O'Connor
@Surreal 99 I didn't even realise lmao "love action" my favourite genre
Is it ok I’m drinking all your water?
Laughs in millionaire
I love this podcast. There is always something on here that makes you think. I feel like some people definitely try to complicate life too much. So if we are living a video game...... what about birds, cockroaches, spiders, single cell organisms are they living in their own virtual reality?
That's a kinda silly way to counter the argument, like saying if this is a simulation what about other humans? Most simulations interesting enough to create won't have one single type of character.
7:46 Joe"Jesus"Rogan 😂😂😂
🙄🤣
I had a mushroom trip where I went inside my mind unconcious and I saw infinity reaching the cusp of nothing. It told me that within nothing is all possibilities and that conciousness's job is to move towards infinite complexity to reach nothing again. It was as if everything was nothing, in equillibrium with itself.
So god is where the nothingness is?
@@lebronbrady6638 we shall find out
I’ve done acid multiple times but I never had a profound trip like you have sir, lucky
Lol ok then
@@-k7228 I wanna do DMT once
You need to get Arthur Isaac or John Michael Godier on the show.
Going by his theory of “starting out with simple rules and watch it grow” is interesting. Because when you simply everything in life, life becomes sooo much easier.
The guy being interviewed did a pretty sick cover of the JRE theme song on electric guitar. He is super talented.
@Real Donald Trump kind of. The intro to the podcast... Here's the cover ruclips.net/video/JBdMWnrI3fM/видео.html
"Philosophical zombies" is an oddly profound statement, and I'm all for it
7:45 “jesus😧” 😭😂
Mr Anderson, we've been expecting you
sikhovski but Agent Smith never said that...
Eric Anderson But he did say...”It is inevitable”
You know a dudes smart when he can explain things well enough for me to understand it
I feel like a stroked gold when I found joe podcast
..The Universe "IS" the Expansion of Consciousness itself...
💯
doesnt make any sense
First the space shuttle.
Then internet.
Smartphones.
Next: the lightsaber.
joes face when he’s trying to understand this looks like utter confusion
I was a fan of Conway's game of life since the 1970s when only those with mainframe computers could play with it. I have not thought of him for years, then come to find that he passed of COVID-19 recently. Damn. Conway lit the fuse for cellular automata research.
Really fascinating stuff here.
title: “AI expert”
guy: “i’m not an expert in anything”
people who call themselves experts aren't
That's a sign of someone who is truly enlightened. In fact this person climbed to the apex of a Dunning-Krueger plot and slid down the other side. Definitely an expert.
The one thing I know is that I know nothing at all
We are all experts/ex spurts.