Well that's assuming the sim is running in real time. The game could pause to load the unexplored part of the universe, we would never know it happened. Maybe someone decided to pause our reality a Billion year between the beginning and end of this youtube message ;)
Not really, without the speed limit nothing in the universe would function. The role that the speed limit has in the way we know the universe works has much high probability than the theory proposed, which was really a kind of cool joke.
No mans sky proves procedural generation can make that infinite. That game has about 18 quintillion different possibilities for generation. Imagine reality.
@@lionsatmidnight Not to bring up the past but that's what made me so mad about NMS haters. Regardless of what the game has going on that proof of concept for procedural generation is mind-blowing.
4:45 the problem I have with this solution is that it doesnt factor in the possibility that there is more than one simulation running. What if complete simulations just become integrated into programming class and we're some random kid's final project. My point is, it's more likely for the chain of simulations to be a tree, with several branching paths, rather than a boring straight line.
Yes! I had the same thought, and what if the "real" world(or even higher level simulations) are exponentially more complex than our own? Of course we couldn't comprehend a world that we weren't designed to be in. Or perhaps it functions completely different than our own.
But that's where the theory of relativity comes into play. Every person displays a simulation of this world onto their own psyche. Every observer is a different relative point but only the one that's computing is the one that matters at that point in time. Think of 8 billion tape recorders all recording at the same time. That's us. But only one tape is played at a time so that is the snapshot any one observer is limited to. Sure, you can play all 8 billion at once but then the result is facebook...
@@punishedexistencewell you think of humans as the center of the universe or in this case the simulation we're only observing with our own eyes to our own mind the simulation is running with or without humans the ones looking at the simulation they don't look at it from humans perspective they just look at the whole picture and receive data
I feel like we are falling from a bigger hole in space. Like a drop of water and we are in it. We was apart of a bigger organism that ether died or was cut off. This organism can live for a long period of time self heal. And we're just split cells of what was alive.
i dont think a kid wants to simulate multiple worlds at once for a school project, and also. Im pretty sure he would've turned it off after that. So explain why we still exist
Neil as much I can relate to this theory, one thing I think must be considered is that a simulation capable of simulating other realities, can also simulate a thousand different models of simulations. One of which could be at our stage of evolution. They could simulate different worlds, different eras, different lifeforms.
He was on Steve-O’s RV podcast(I forget what the exact name of the podcast despite how I’ve seen just about every episode rofl) recently, &Steve-O asked him this question. If I recall correctly he argued against it in basically the exact way rofl I love Neil on podcasts&how he just loves being able to geek out about everything possible, especially his areas of expertise&intrests
The odds only go to 50/50 if each simulation only runs one simulation. If at ANY level they run more than one simulation the odds move in favor of us being in a simulation.
I think it's more the case of its 50/50 that we are real and not in a simulation or we are in a simulation but don't know if it's even possible to run a simulation as complex as ourselves in an entire universe until we manage to do it.
@@DarkWing494 You don't need a perfect simulation. We may live in an imperfect simulation, but haven't realized it yet. Some limits like causality speed or maybe some resolution (elementary particles or their alignment to grid or smallest quantities of time: Planck time etc.) or some optimizations (like the particle-wave duality) may be hints that we live in the simulation. Or maybe the reality is just odd. If we can discover exploits like perpetuum mobile, it will be a strong evidence for us living in a simulation IMHO. Considering the fact our universe is odd, it suggests if we live in a simulation, it wasn't designed in the way to seem realistic to us - hypothetically you could create a simulation, which seems more realistic than reality (kind of like ancient Greeks were building skewed columns, so that they seem straight from far away). In the end of the day, we already can drug someone to decrease his perception and analytic capabilities, then put VR goggles and earphones on him and he will confuse this experience with reality. Similarly, we might be drugged or otherwise significantly less mentally capable right now, and the creators of this simulation could have created a very simplified version of reality - but because we don't know/remember the reality, it seems to us our environment is complex beyond possibility to reproduce it in a simulation.
1:46 i love how neil gets excited like a little child when he hears something that he has never thought of before , it shows how much he loves science and astronomy
Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain. (Surat al-Tur, 53:34) The wording in this verse is beautiful. It is speaking about cosmology. There is a funny story I would like to mention. One time a group of atheists said to God, okay we will explain the beginning of how it all started. God says, okay show me. Atheist says first there was a cloud of dust particles. God interrupts them and says ‘wait, start with your own dust particles.’ It is not true just a story to help you understand. The laws of science says you can’t make something out of nothing. An atheist would say then, “Who created Allah.” That is when Surat al-Ikhlas was revealed. You can read on that.
Yeah i thought something similar but about whales cuz whales have been here for millions of years and like maybe they have a society down there cuz of how much unexplored ocean there is
holy... a simulated reality just means that all random events were sort of scripted to happen at the moment of the singularity. not a computer simulation. random is scripted. is a storyboard. ruclips.net/video/ZL4daUpSFGo/видео.html it's all just randomness right? but even these random patterns were preordained. sort of like a movie reel. if we are killed by an asteriod or whatever tomorrow... that was preordained going all the way back to the singularity.
You are looking at a guy who has 21 honorary doctorates just sitting there and chilling like a normal guy and having fun discussing theories. What a man!
i ve been defending this hypothesis for almost 5 years it goes even beyond that, since myself im programmer. its said that the planck lenght is also some limiter and its a number so unique it has to be set, so its the fibbonacci, also the more you study the more you see that most things that jesus said or that christians belief, like things are set by god, if you changed god by a programmer it will even makes way more sense. so both of these things can intertwine into one, so beautiful. there is so many things that opens your mind, after you think like a programmer rather than a physicist. or a mix of both
we are either the real world or the next world to evolve and create his own simulation. Not one of many simulations out there since we can't simulate our own world yet
@@leniac Yeah I didn't really get the logic on that one. It's still possible that there is one civilization simulating billions of universes, and the 50/50 logic would fall apart. After all, why would you only simulate one universe? The answer would either have to be that they don't have the processing power (very unlikely, by our universe's standards anyway, that they would have the processing power for one and not others. that amount of power generally leads to exponential growth.) or they just don't want to for some reason.
Maybe next time. The simulation might be just like a game people play, but completely immersive. When you die you can either play another game (if you have saved enough the one with superpowers :)), or you can choose reality. Or it might be a training tool. As soon as people turn 4 they get connected to the simulation, where time might run faster, so that you can experience a whole life and learn all lessons, within a day, and when you are disconnected, you are a person with the experience of a lifetime. Obviously, if you were unable to learn the required lessons, you have to do the whole thing again. And again. And again. Until you have finally reached the necessary maturity to live in the real world (which might be one where everybody has superpowers. Not having superpowers is the punishment for playing the game badly during your last try.
Right now if enough of us say that ethically we should create a simulated afterlife, for simulated copys of ourselves (if we ever simulate human minds), then do to simulation theory it increases the chances of us having an afterlife astronomically!
Maybe when we do, we can't process it cause our universe is loading and we are children of the universe thus we pause aswell and never notice the difference
Strong hints that we live in video games or the matrix or simulation 1. Everythings on nature are based on math, algorithm and constant. Striking intention so it can be run on some kind of computer device 2. Everythings on fundamental level are quantized, other means of digitized. Striking intention so it can be run on specific kind of computer device, which is digital computer 3. It has distinct smallest unit of measures, not indefinately smaller. Similar to pixel in digital computer. 4. It has efficient rendering technique. Which is only render things when it being observed by the player. Once player is not observing, it going back to code and algorithm without need to be materialized 5. It has universal 'server tick' to synchronize everything and to avoid inconsistency around the simulated world. which is speed of light. 6. Since space and time are the output of algorithm, Anything unrelated to wolrd rendering algorithm, are not bound with space and time and can communicate instantly since it run outside the rendering algorithm. Such as quantum entanglement 7. Since almost everything is centered around the player, and almost everything is being rendered as per the player pbservation, not only future, but also any past time event is still on a form of code, and being rendered once the player is observing it. Thus, quantum delayed choice was happened 8. When the player dies, it could goes to spectator mode. Since the player viewport is not necessarily hard coded to the rendered body. 9. The player could go to different realm or mini games during sleep 10. There are millions of account and eyewitness, testimoning about them being experiencing some kind of glitches in the matrix 11. There are literal source code of higher level programming language, written and stored in every living things. That when compiled and run, it will create chemical nano machine that run autonomously based on previously written code. 12. Religious text that literally said "surely, this worldy life is just a game play, and the hereafter is better for the piety, dont they think it?"
@@elviscesar8021 Interesting... the "unfinished" quality inherent in a seemingly infinite universe we have to concoct an increasingly esoteric language (math) to try to explain... would seem consistent with that "inexistent virtual beyond" of, for example, Minecraft.
Or maybe it could lead to a multidimensional loops and when the loops collide with a different dimensions they shift together and become one causing u to get deja vu
One simple question : to be at the end or at the beginning of the simulation chain, we have to assume that one civilization simulates only one simulation. What if one simulation is running multiple simulations , so rather than being a liner flow it's more like a root branching out. So dart when thrown can hit a simulation without further simulation and odds change from 50/50 to way higher.
Think about it, we live in a very specific world, we can literally make a list of thousands of characteristics. What are the chances someone simulates our exact world? Literally one in infinity, while the chances that the world is as it seems is 99.99%
Yep Roopak, I was looking for this comment. You are right, every sim-capable universe could be running a ton of simulations, and then when they start running their own it becomes a tree structure and makes the odds of us being the first or one of the "leaves" very small again.
Duncan, if we were in a simulation, everything is the way it is because of the simulation. Those characteristics would be of said simulation, not necessarily of the non simulated, base reality.
"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." - Douglas Adams.
Reading your comment it reminded me of _Sophie's World._ In the book, a 15 year old girl figures out that she - along with everyone and everything she's ever known - is just a thought of the writer written inside a book. It elaborates further your comment.
I love watching rational scientists work on problems like these. I imagine that ancient peoples had much the same conversations as they tried to work out the motivations and objectives and moralities of their gods.
The people from the old days were using their brains more than we do today, i.e collectively as a society because if they were thinking like we do now, we won't have all the technology and comfort we have now. It would be Just a world full of flat earth fanatics and that day is coming soon looking at how our education system is failing and how people confuse stupidity with freedom of speech.
I think the second argument that we are either the real universe or the one that can't simulate universes yet is not a good one. All you need is a single species jn the entire universe to he able to simulate a universe in order for the chain to continue. Just because we can't simulate a universe doesn't mean we are the final chain in the sinulation-verse. Also, maybe the simulations each universe makes is way less detailed than their parent universe. So maybe we have already continued the universe chain when we made Minecraft, or GTA, or whatever. Just because those games are way less detailed than our universe doesn't mean they aren't universes. Maybe our universe is just a very simplistic game to our parent-universe. Here's a cookie if you read all the way to the end 🍪
Great point! I also don’t like the “well they would simulate post simulation because its more interesting”. We make more entertainment in the present because the “ingredients” are more accurate and readily available. Its easy to re create 1985 than it is to re create 329 bc. Just sayin!
I don’t like the argument they made because it’s implying that there is only one “real universe” or the “base universe” that is the start to all the simulated universes. By implying there is a non simulated universe there must be another way to as how it got there. Using this logic we cannot assume that only one “real” universe was created. There could be an infinite amount of real universes making the probability of us being in a simulation change drastically. Especially depending on when these base universes were created
Also they are assuming that each simulated world only makes 1 simulation. The one previous to ours could have made hundreds of simulations and who knows if those ones continued on the cycle
Well, if we’re next in that supposed chain, maybe that’s what they want us to do, maybe that’s the legacy they leave to us and the one we have to leave someday to the next ones in the chain.
In the movie Alien Covenant when David the robot says to the human over the billiards table "why did humans make him (David the robot)? The humans answer was "because we could"!. David's response was a classic. He replied "how disappointing would humans feel if they learnt that's why the engineer's made humans". But David is right. Maybe human engineers made us because they just could.
Another idea: how do you know that your memories are real? For all you know, the experiences you remember could have been fabricated from the moment you woke up today and you just began your simulation this morning
I've always thought this same thing. When I start a new game in Minecraft, from the villagers perspective their ancestors built that village, taught them to grow crops, etc. However in reality their entire world has only existed for a few minutes. But they have no way of knowing that.
Unfortunately, Neil's "chain" argument assumes a linear progression: one simulation creating another. What if one simulation created multiple simulations at the same time? Then we're back to the fact that statistically, we are in a simulation.
It's still the same theory, except now you are putting us as the first stimulation from the original instead of number n stimulation. We will reach a point where we can make stimulations ourself, we just have not gotten there yet. It's still the same concept, one or the other, either you are the original or the latest stimulation, even if you are the nth number of stimulations created at the same time.
As someone who plays a lot of games, I always think of the speed of light being the render distance of our universe as a joke, hearing someone else say the same thing put a smile on my face! :D
Physicists are flat brain Tides are an artifact of coastlines moving in stable seawater, caused by thermal expansion of the crust caused by moving sunlight. Lunar gravity has nothing to do with anything on Earth. Scientists are dumber than pigs for believing that tides, which move at different speeds and in different directions one to four times a day in different locations and at heights ranging from 3 feet to 50 feet, are caused by the moon's gravity.
You assume that the sim building event will only ever happen once. Lydia sits in Whiterun talking about how there is only one Skyrim so there is only one chance it's a sim. Little does she know....
Thank you for discussing these ideas sincerely, Neil. Although some people laugh at what I consider to be a highly plausible theory about our reality, the most compelling aspect is that it does not conflict with science. After all, science is the study of the universe, which, in this theory, is itself the simulation.
But every time you allow a perfect simulation within a simulation, the computing power of the original hardware has to climb dramatically. At some point, the first computer running the first simulation would hit it's limit.... UNLESS every time that someone creates a simulation inside the simulation, that rendition becomes less detailed and less encompassing. We might be living in the equivalent of an 8-bit graphics version of the original simulation. If that's the case, then new simulations we create will never match our own experience of the universe.... either that or each simulation would simply have to limit the speed at which things happen... so the deeper you go, the slower it gets. Each level has an even slower "speed of light," etc.
So basically, the day we have enough computing power to completely simulate our world accurately, is the day we know that we are overwhelmingly likely to be living in a simulation ?
That's what he's saying, and I'm not super genius scientist but the logic doesn't follow. Does that mean I'm not hungry until I have the ability to eat? I'm not hot until I know how to cool off? I'm confused at the logic that settled Neil.
@@beezyj3227 My understanding is this: once we are able to simulate a world like ours, we can make multiple simulated worlds within our one “real” world. Knowing this, we can assume that there are more simulated worlds than “real” worlds. It would be more likely that the world we live in is a simulated world rather than a real world simply because there are more simulated worlds than real worlds.
@@beezyj3227 the problem is that you cannot know that. Unfortunately, you know how to breath before you physically born, as well as everything else. I think we can prove that world can be simulated, when we prove that world is Turing complete, which may be done before we found enough computing power (I am not sure that even quantum computer may be enough for simulating itself).
That's what I was thinking. There should be billions or at least millions of simulations running in the "first" universe alone. So down the line that would mean there are still billions of simulations in the evolution phase, right?
@@scottmerts4036 If you are arguing about whether or not that would mean there are potentially an infinite number of "end simulations" that we could still be inside of, I believe that because we would be talking about different levels of infinity, it still wouldn't be a real solution that refutes what NDT points out from the book.
@@xIPatchy well the part about being in the physical universe or last evolution simulations might be true, but there would be a lot more simulations running the evolution phase than the total amount of simulations running in the first, so then it doesn't come down to a 50/50 outcome. If the first universe and all simulations would each run just 1 sim, then it would.
Scott Merts because we are talking about a level of infinity, aka an infinite loop of stacking simulations, multiplied by another level of infinity, the possibility of every simulation branching into multiple simulations, the likelihood of being inside of a simulation that is either an endpoint or the beginning is still the same, because while you are adding an infinite number of possible endpoints in your argument, you are actually creating a higher level of infinity at the same time, and cancelling it all out.
The Poundstone's argument isn't really strong. Not every simulation has to end up creating its own simulated worlds. You can create a simulation for some specific purpose, like to simulate alternative versions of WW2 and end the simulation with the end of the war.
I love how excited Neil gets at the thought of a possible new theory at 1:46. He really does just have a huge passion for the unknown. And that’s what makes him a great scientist. He’s a brilliant man. But he’s also humble and understands just how little we know. But he approaches the new frontiers with wonder and excitement and logic.
You praise Neil too much. He considers UFOs to be bunk in the face of overwhelming evidence. He will refuse to look at it. This is not someone looking for new science.
@@nctrnlmjsty8719he was referring to chuck saying thats why we cant travel faster than light because they wont be able to program it. I think thats new
There is a rick and morty episode called “the ricks must be crazy” about this exact same topic. Where rick created a world then the smartest guy in that world created a world and it kept going.
4:09 but that implies that all simulations have zero restrictions on them. Our simulation (if we are in one) could have parameters or restrictions placed on it stopping us from currently simulating more.
Hmmm that’s I thought, why can’t we travel faster than light? But we don’t even reach where human have the Einstein of quantum mechanics Quantum realm is limitless Then i back again , if all material objects travel faster than light how chaotic the universe will be? There wouldn’t be any life at all The material universe would not make sense
@Spoopy Spopk Why are we assuming we can't escape? Logically we should treat it like humanity did with space. Did we always know if we could get off this rock? No but some people believed and some didn't. We should at least start with the question: Can we escape? Do we want to?
@@Andrew-ht7rf if we judge the rules of a simulated world by how we create them now, this assumption doesn't seem unlikely. Can video game characters escape it even if they knew they're in it? No. They are nothing but bits of information stored on a hard drive and came into life on a RAM. They cannot continue to exist outside of that hard drive. If that is the case, knowing whether or not we are in a simulation doesn't change our lives at all
Existential crises and beliefs may or may not affect our lives as a civilization. However, as individuals, some might start to behave differently when they are plagued by these nihilistic thoughts. Some might get depressed. Some might stop caring about humanity and become a threat to others... The psychological side effects of acquiring one worldview or another are various and serious
at 4:40 I got chills knowing that, and the part where he says "maybe that's why we can't travel faster than the speed of light" we have become powerful beyond measure
The speed of light is probably the speed of the CPU power that is running the simulation. That is why it is a hard limit. The program/vm can not exceed the speed of the CPU, since that is the max calculation speed.
Chaos and disorder have been more prevalent than order throughout the existence of our Universe; given an infinite amount of time, a Universe arising randomly from disorder dwarfs the number of Universes arising from such an unbelievably constrained perquisite. Don’t really feel like using calories to think up more counterexamples which won’t put food on the table.
ya but notice how Neil touched the host's hand for emphasis -- How are we supposed to trust this Disease Vector about living in a simulation when he can't even respect other disciplines: virology etc
JJ Like really, if your Sim character started being conscious and trying to exit the game, would you be a little scared ? Maybe try to stop it ? Lol. Maybe that’s what the creators don’t want us to do 😂
They didn't get into the double slit test where it's been discovered that matter behaves completely differently if it is observed or not.This to me shows we are in a simulation.
Maybe "sleep" is really just the brain's "system update" period where it downloads new files, repairs bugs/viruses, and stores/deletes temporary memory files... 🤷♀️
If that's true why do animals sleep? Even fish sleep and they don't have brains. 90% of scientists agree sleep was evolutions way of dealing with too much information and recharging the brain
@@rohinpatel1 Maybe their coding is complete? They don't need constant updates because of their simple programming. With evolution, it's like sending out a new phone. Eventually the old ones die out.
I have recently heard dmt and laser reveals matrix type code that many have experienced. I myself have never… But when I was in high school tried salvia and I saw red matrix code. This explains something to me without even knowing
The flaw in the 1 of 2 logic (50% chance we are a simulation) is that it assumes only one simulation comes from the previous one. In reality we have many developers programming many simulations in each simulation. Therefore, it is exponential and the logic breaks down and statistically speaking we are more likely to be in a simulation...
Statistics assumes that you have many examples and you can count frequencies of simulations relative to non-simulations. If you don't have that, then you are simply using the term "statistics" wrong. Which you are.
It sounds like Neil really doesn't like this theory and is just looking for ways to cope with or disprove it. If we were a simulation look towards video games, in Sims you can speed up and pause time, while we might experience time and life whoever is simming us if we are a sim might just hit the fast forward button till they play things they wanna see while we live on in real time. This argument that we aren't a simulation because we cannot make simulations makes no sense. If we are a historical simulation or a simulation meant for long term development why would they start a sim off with the same tech as themselves?
@@schmetterling4477 Not in the slightest, the theory is based off the logical growth of our technology. If we don’t wipe ourselves out eventually we will reach that level of computing power and will be able to make a sim. It’s got nothing to do with religion.
Nothing happens by accident, everything is connected and there are no coincidences: this is the essence of conspiratorial thinking. Most of the time, things just happen, but our brain can connect the dots into meaningful patterns, even if these connections are imaginary. Conspiracists prefer sinister motives behind the patterns rather than accepting the randomness of life.
Right now if enough of us say that ethically we should create a simulated afterlife, for simulated copys of ourselves (if we ever simulate human minds), then do to simulation theory it increases the chances of us having an afterlife astronomically!
He basis it all on the simulation being for entertainment or ancestor study. He doesn't consider the possibility of an A-Life simulation or safe sandbox for developing of moral AI.
also if the computers in the first world shut down then everything dies? And it would have happened by now because it takes time for each world to develop a simulation, so with infinite simulations forming, the first cant be running that long
It's no big deal that we can imagine building a world of any kind anywhere at anytime as specific and perfect as is reality and then imagining we are really in that world.
I might be missing something but I can't really agree that his reasoning proves it's less likely we're a simulation. Suppose you create a simulation to run and set certain parameters then just let it run. With a massively powerful computer (Jupiter Brain) who is to say what we are experiencing now isn't happening in an instant to the creator but to us who are in the simulation feels like billions of years. Also who is to say we are the focus of the simulation? Suppose some other bacteria evolved and created the computer. We just happen to be a random result like all the other NPCs (Non Player Characters) in the world like birds, insects and trees etc. that happen to pop up in the simulation. We just happen to be at the "top of the food chain" in this simulation? Why can't a simulation start from the Jurassic period and naturally progress past what we have now? To the point where we eventually eventually create a computer able to create the same? Especially if it's say an Ancestor simulation. It's like in Minecraft. You have a set of laws and physics in what looks like a simple and primitive game yet people have been able to make working virtual computers in the game.
here is a catch, we need to talk on the same foundation. we can also say that other universes can have different reality, different math, statistics and physics. if we are talking about simulation, we are also talking about computers. and for today's knowledge we know that only humans can build one. simulation is expensive, that's why he talked about just in time simulation, like digging earth and program gives you more earth. if we are byproduct, now we should have died. we consume much more energy, we have very complex brain that is also very hard to simulate. so they are not as valuable as we are. because of that we assume that they would simulate us, and when we think of ourselves, if we had that computing power for creating simulation, we would also create ourselves. and this is where chain reaction comes. what if our creations wants to also create a simulation. but this doesn't explain about universes true past, maybe we just woke up in 1900. maybe our universes age is 5000. but this is true in simulation, not reality. and for probability of simulation is just literally 50/50.
I like this idea that Chuck was getting into, that our universe is basically in early access and the speed of light is only there to give the devs time to finish the other levels.
He said it as in you would be moving faster then the simulation could load around you kinda like minecraft when u have some lag and you move too fast too the point where the chunks cant load in
So the "big bang theory" could be true in the sense of being the "beginning" of a simulation created in another "universe". The evolution of humans could be thought as realtime coding being entered into the system, this would mean that in "this reality" time is experienced differently to the previous reality. What appears as billions of years in this reality, can literally be days in the previous reality.
@Chilly300 All you are saying is that God is literally the programmer of this simulation. That's the funny thing about the simulation theory, it can be easily applied to many different ideologies.
Thing is. When we use the argument "not enough computing power" describing how big our universe is and how many atoms are in it, we use OUR understanding of computing power. We have no idea who is running the simulation, and what the world looks like on the other side. For all we know, we are a simulation inside another simulation. We can't use the argument "computing power" to cause doubt here, that makes absolutely no sense. If we are in a simulation, everything might have started with someone switching it on (The Big Bang), and boom, and off we go. We might be procedurally generated. There just is a mathematical code at the bottom that describes certain things, and sets certain rules that cannot be broken, and off we go.
The simulation hypothesis, which suggests that our reality might be an artificial simulation created by a more advanced civilization, challenges our understanding of existence and consciousness. If true, this idea could revolutionize our perception of the universe, suggesting that what we perceive as physical laws and material reality are merely coded instructions in a vast computational framework. This hypothesis invites profound questions about the nature of consciousness, the origins of the universe, and the purpose of existence. It also raises ethical and philosophical considerations regarding the creators of such a simulation and our place within it. If the simulation hypothesis were true, what implications would it have for our understanding of free will, consciousness, and the nature of reality? How would this perspective influence scientific exploration and our quest to understand the universe?
@@dennisrkb I come from a programming background and I know what you mean. Years ago I was playing a quizz type game with friends and when you exceeded the limit for some integer count, it would wrap around to a negative value. If the architect uses some machine with a massive word size of 1024 bits, you could store info very precisely for a huge range. It could be a floating point issue too. We don't know the implementation.
@@nikibronson133 It was because Rick got lazy to recharge his car battery every time so he created those mini universes so they could solve his energy problem by solving it for themselves first, pretty clever if you ask me.
@@yerdude lol not exactly right but I know dude, clearly, because I watch the show....you may think its kinda clever but the point was that it was "just slavery with extra steps" 😅😅
At what point does a complex simulation become reality? We currently have a very complex reality that is beautiful. Why do we want to create something that is less than what we already have and while it’s a nice conversation, what is the likelihood of that happening when we can’t even get an iPhone a computer, a satellite on electric car to function well?
Also, if we were able to simulate, we would become self aware that we were a simulation. Probably. So all worlds able to simulate would assume they are simulations, which creates moral dilemma when bad things happen in simulated worlds.
Does it though? I'm a proponent of the simulation hypothesis, just not quite as "literal" as Neal is, at least in this video which is several years old. He's literally imaging that somewhere at the "end of the line" there is one (or more) actual PHYSICAL beings running actual PHYSICAL computers, but to me, the entirety of the language about it is metaphorical... This universe is calculated... That much is clear. By whom? Well, that gets into philosophy that would take me a long post to explain. However, my point wasn't to go into depth about "my version" (which is shared by millions), but rather to point out an example of how you may be wrong... If you play any sort of game that involves "killing" other humans, ESPECIALLY if that computer human is being played by another actual person, aside from scoring points and perhaps defeating your opponent(s) on a simulated battlefield (or whatever), and MAYBE resulting in bruising someone's ego, you have done them no harm. Ergo, IF this reality is in fact a sim, regardless of from whence it came, and after what we think of as death, we respawn (video game term) or reincarnate (more accurate to describe the spiritual aspects of the cycle of life as we know it), have we done any long-term harm?
It’s like when you’re dozing off and start dreaming, then realize you’re dreaming 😮. The other thing is you are dreaming that you’re still awake but for some reason you can’t move and there is something or someone standing by you that shouldn’t be there and you’re trying to yell or move to get someone’s attention or grab a club 😮
@@kevykevTPA i think that if it's a simulation, the rules of death still apply and your consciousness is "deleted" or the data is recycled/shuffled into something new for when a new mind is born. you inherit some traits from your parents though.
Imagine this. The simulation was switched on at this very second with all perceived memories and thoughts and history perfectly replicated to the state that you think.
Yeah, and while booting the replication extremely fast, the history needs to happen. So we may be just living the booting of one of the gazillions simulations that can replicate itself.
Fernando Wolf Bona it doesn’t work like that. You don’t have to simulate something happening to have it be baked into the history of the simulation. Video games don’t simulate the erosion of mountains placed in them, they just create them there.
"Maybe that's why we can't travel faster than the speed of light"
That one really blew my mind.
Well that's assuming the sim is running in real time. The game could pause to load the unexplored part of the universe, we would never know it happened. Maybe someone decided to pause our reality a Billion year between the beginning and end of this youtube message ;)
Cosmic rays travel faster.
@@WetaMantis that's what i used to think as a child when i watch Doraemon.
Not really, without the speed limit nothing in the universe would function. The role that the speed limit has in the way we know the universe works has much high probability than the theory proposed, which was really a kind of cool joke.
@@christhomson9170 Are you typing this in-between coffee breaks of the flat earth society conference. NOTHING goes faster than light!!!!
This simulation currently needs an antivirus update...
Marcus W haha
ok this needs more likes
Nah. Antivirus will lagging our simulation.
Covid 19 is just a event.
THIS APP NEEDS TO RUN IN THE BACKGROUND SO MCAFEE CAN DO LESS THAN NOTHING
😂😂😂 I'm geeked rn
If we go faster than light we just see
LOADING TERRAIN...
I walk in the speed of light in Minecraft.
@@whisperingdragon4194 then you get "chunks loading".
No mans sky proves procedural generation can make that infinite. That game has about 18 quintillion different possibilities for generation. Imagine reality.
@@lionsatmidnight Not to bring up the past but that's what made me so mad about NMS haters. Regardless of what the game has going on that proof of concept for procedural generation is mind-blowing.
Ooowwwhh
4:45 the problem I have with this solution is that it doesnt factor in the possibility that there is more than one simulation running. What if complete simulations just become integrated into programming class and we're some random kid's final project. My point is, it's more likely for the chain of simulations to be a tree, with several branching paths, rather than a boring straight line.
Yes! I had the same thought, and what if the "real" world(or even higher level simulations) are exponentially more complex than our own? Of course we couldn't comprehend a world that we weren't designed to be in. Or perhaps it functions completely different than our own.
But that's where the theory of relativity comes into play. Every person displays a simulation of this world onto their own psyche. Every observer is a different relative point but only the one that's computing is the one that matters at that point in time. Think of 8 billion tape recorders all recording at the same time. That's us. But only one tape is played at a time so that is the snapshot any one observer is limited to. Sure, you can play all 8 billion at once but then the result is facebook...
@@punishedexistencewell you think of humans as the center of the universe or in this case the simulation we're only observing with our own eyes to our own mind the simulation is running with or without humans the ones looking at the simulation they don't look at it from humans perspective they just look at the whole picture and receive data
I feel like we are falling from a bigger hole in space. Like a drop of water and we are in it. We was apart of a bigger organism that ether died or was cut off. This organism can live for a long period of time self heal. And we're just split cells of what was alive.
i dont think a kid wants to simulate multiple worlds at once for a school project, and also. Im pretty sure he would've turned it off after that. So explain why we still exist
1:37 I respect chuck for coming up with this one, that speed of light idea...
It's a really awesome idea too.
That's what elevators in games are. It totally makes sense. XD
or simply the information transfer speed limit for the processor
CPU maxes out at the speed of light
Ano_nymous the galaxies there “am i a joke to you”?!
I love how Neil is having an existential crisis and Chuck is just enjoying the simulation 😂😂😂
M. Ahsan so if we are all living in a simulation world then why am I still on? Can I simulate a life where I am not blind?
Blind OG83 You don’t get to choose.
Yep we are nothing. Stop trying to think you are special. But whatever makes you feel better. In the end it doesn't even matter.
@@brandonsmith1838 Bro slowdown man. You could have cushioned the blow. I wasn't ready.
@@brandonsmith1838 Okay Linkin Park
The Scientist watching over this simulation: *Hmmmm* interesting
😂😂😂🤣
And there entire existence amounts to about 2 hours of our time
The scientist reading that comment 😳
@Chiggy D i'm think same if he being replace himself
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Neil as much I can relate to this theory, one thing I think must be considered is that a simulation capable of simulating other realities, can also simulate a thousand different models of simulations. One of which could be at our stage of evolution. They could simulate different worlds, different eras, different lifeforms.
Easy... you might break Neil again
I was thinking the exact same thing. Welcome back bazillion simulations
Nawww y’all done broke my mind
He was on Steve-O’s RV podcast(I forget what the exact name of the podcast despite how I’ve seen just about every episode rofl) recently, &Steve-O asked him this question. If I recall correctly he argued against it in basically the exact way rofl I love Neil on podcasts&how he just loves being able to geek out about everything possible, especially his areas of expertise&intrests
I agree. Just like The Sims has many versions.
The odds only go to 50/50 if each simulation only runs one simulation. If at ANY level they run more than one simulation the odds move in favor of us being in a simulation.
Yes, It made me uncomfortable too. Why would he ignore that, Kasey? Are we just NPC's?
We already made millions of simulations, they are videogames
I think it's more the case of its 50/50 that we are real and not in a simulation or we are in a simulation but don't know if it's even possible to run a simulation as complex as ourselves in an entire universe until we manage to do it.
He also ignoring the fact we cant make a perfect simulation yet does not mean no one else in our universe couldn't make perfect simulations.
@@DarkWing494 You don't need a perfect simulation. We may live in an imperfect simulation, but haven't realized it yet. Some limits like causality speed or maybe some resolution (elementary particles or their alignment to grid or smallest quantities of time: Planck time etc.) or some optimizations (like the particle-wave duality) may be hints that we live in the simulation. Or maybe the reality is just odd. If we can discover exploits like perpetuum mobile, it will be a strong evidence for us living in a simulation IMHO.
Considering the fact our universe is odd, it suggests if we live in a simulation, it wasn't designed in the way to seem realistic to us - hypothetically you could create a simulation, which seems more realistic than reality (kind of like ancient Greeks were building skewed columns, so that they seem straight from far away).
In the end of the day, we already can drug someone to decrease his perception and analytic capabilities, then put VR goggles and earphones on him and he will confuse this experience with reality. Similarly, we might be drugged or otherwise significantly less mentally capable right now, and the creators of this simulation could have created a very simplified version of reality - but because we don't know/remember the reality, it seems to us our environment is complex beyond possibility to reproduce it in a simulation.
“The Universe is a dream dreamed by a single dreamer where all the dream characters dream too.”
- Arthur Schopenhauer
All of dreamers in 1 dream
Just being wondering how close this words are "dream" & "dreal" Digital real? It doesn't matter what's this is, it matters what we do for our dreams.
Lol take lsd and this quote makes so much sense!! Really is a dream
~Hinduism
Ahh only wise men quote Schopenhauer
1:46 i love how neil gets excited like a little child when he hears something that he has never thought of before , it shows how much he loves science and astronomy
He said “ ohh chuck hold me “
Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain. (Surat al-Tur, 53:34)
The wording in this verse is beautiful. It is speaking about cosmology. There is a funny story I would like to mention. One time a group of atheists said to God, okay we will explain the beginning of how it all started. God says, okay show me. Atheist says first there was a cloud of dust particles. God interrupts them and says ‘wait, start with your own dust particles.’ It is not true just a story to help you understand. The laws of science says you can’t make something out of nothing. An atheist would say then, “Who created Allah.” That is when Surat al-Ikhlas was revealed. You can read on that.
Yup he's a philosopher on top of it all
He is just alive and a awake soul brother 😊
He’s awesome, I love Him 💫💫💫❤️🌎 ✌️🌞
I love you guys!! I think it was an absolut GREAT idea to have the two of you together on StarTalk.
I always like making the joke that we're a simulation made by dinosaurs wondering how life would have evolved if they were wiped out
to them , films like jurrasic park would be either terrific or hilarious
Woah ! That just blew my mind! What a thought!
Yeah i thought something similar but about whales cuz whales have been here for millions of years and like maybe they have a society down there cuz of how much unexplored ocean there is
Everyone knows T-Rex did not have arms long enough to reach a keyboard. Check your arm and finger privilege.
He doesn't believe in aliens but believe in a stimulation. Smh
The programmer must be sweating nervously after watching them do this.
He’s gonna get fired
dont wanna ruin ur likes count its 69 mahhh.. XD
holy... a simulated reality just means that all random events were sort of scripted to happen at the moment of the singularity. not a computer simulation.
random is scripted. is a storyboard.
ruclips.net/video/ZL4daUpSFGo/видео.html it's all just randomness right? but even these random patterns were preordained. sort of like a movie reel.
if we are killed by an asteriod or whatever tomorrow... that was preordained going all the way back to the singularity.
Frrr😭😭😭😭🤣🤣
I love how exciting they are when talk😂
Imagine the creator of this simulation looking at this and laughing
Then abruptly stopping because they realize they are also being laughed at, and the chain continues.
GlaciusTS he will probably have empathy because chances are there in one aswell
Wouldn’t YOU be the creator of this simulation? What if I’m just an NPC and this is by your design?
That doesn't make sense really but ok i guess
@@GlaciusTS if player is a life living in a with a tool hoverboard and jetpack or flying car
You are looking at a guy who has 21 honorary doctorates just sitting there and chilling like a normal guy and having fun discussing theories. What a man!
If we are living in a simulation. The person who is controling my life needs to do better job
nobody is controlling your life tho.. you are an A.I. npc... the only thing simulated is the physics around you.
Gino Foogle Yup. Simulated but with free will. Only person that needs to do a better job is u buddy
benkenobi still too hard needs to be easier.
We are not in simulation. Because if there are infinite simulation the first computer cannot run them all.
ha it you
The "big bang" was simply the software being executed and all the variables being initialized
Or just a simulated point of interest
Nah it was the simulation booting up
@@no-if1ol lollll
Link start
@@no-if1ol from where and why?
Don’t know why someone would want to watch me eat chips and drink soda on my couch
Just ask big brother and you Will be surprised.
Maybe it is similar to people that get a hamster and watch it eat, sleep, spin the wheel and so on.
Their word must be pretty boring ..
i would want to see an npc in a videogame do that
@@immattmann and id rqther be in a boring world in which everyone gets along than be in the hellish rollercoaster that is our present reality
Imagine being able to come with something so unique it blow Neil's mind😳 that speed of light limit theory is wild
i think its quite commonly mentioned on the topic.
i ve been defending this hypothesis for almost 5 years it goes even beyond that, since myself im programmer. its said that the planck lenght is also some limiter and its a number so unique it has to be set, so its the fibbonacci, also the more you study the more you see that most things that jesus said or that christians belief, like things are set by god, if you changed god by a programmer it will even makes way more sense. so both of these things can intertwine into one, so beautiful.
there is so many things that opens your mind, after you think like a programmer rather than a physicist. or a mix of both
yes, God is the simulator of our universe
Job 38:4-41@@TheGoldslash
The 'Programmer' watching this and having a existential crisis
The programmer probably already accepts that they are in a simulation, and opts not to delete us out of fear that the same might happen to it.
Nah it's more like planted the thought or at this point simulated beings starts to realize things
Hey can you explain the part where it flips to 50/50 chance
we are either the real world or the next world to evolve and create his own simulation. Not one of many simulations out there since we can't simulate our own world yet
@@leniac Yeah I didn't really get the logic on that one. It's still possible that there is one civilization simulating billions of universes, and the 50/50 logic would fall apart. After all, why would you only simulate one universe? The answer would either have to be that they don't have the processing power (very unlikely, by our universe's standards anyway, that they would have the processing power for one and not others. that amount of power generally leads to exponential growth.) or they just don't want to for some reason.
If we're a simulation I'm really disappointed we didn't get the one that lets me get Superpowers.
Just wait imagine if we find the console commands lol
Maybe next time. The simulation might be just like a game people play, but completely immersive. When you die you can either play another game (if you have saved enough the one with superpowers :)), or you can choose reality.
Or it might be a training tool. As soon as people turn 4 they get connected to the simulation, where time might run faster, so that you can experience a whole life and learn all lessons, within a day, and when you are disconnected, you are a person with the experience of a lifetime. Obviously, if you were unable to learn the required lessons, you have to do the whole thing again. And again. And again. Until you have finally reached the necessary maturity to live in the real world (which might be one where everybody has superpowers.
Not having superpowers is the punishment for playing the game badly during your last try.
Consciousness is your superpower
Same, I really want to fly like super man or run extremely fast like the flash.
Cheat codes
Imagine traveling at near speed of light and then suddenly getting trapped in a loading screen. Haha
Or get disconnected like halfway there, and the ship just disappears 😂
Right now if enough of us say that ethically we should create a simulated afterlife, for simulated copys of ourselves (if we ever simulate human minds), then do to simulation theory it increases the chances of us having an afterlife astronomically!
Maybe when we do, we can't process it cause our universe is loading and we are children of the universe thus we pause aswell and never notice the difference
That’s literally what happens at edge of black hole/ends of the “universe”.
Strong hints that we live in video games or the matrix or simulation
1. Everythings on nature are based on math, algorithm and constant. Striking intention so it can be run on some kind of computer device
2. Everythings on fundamental level are quantized, other means of digitized. Striking intention so it can be run on specific kind of computer device, which is digital computer
3. It has distinct smallest unit of measures, not indefinately smaller. Similar to pixel in digital computer.
4. It has efficient rendering technique. Which is only render things when it being observed by the player. Once player is not observing, it going back to code and algorithm without need to be materialized
5. It has universal 'server tick' to synchronize everything and to avoid inconsistency around the simulated world. which is speed of light.
6. Since space and time are the output of algorithm, Anything unrelated to wolrd rendering algorithm, are not bound with space and time and can communicate instantly since it run outside the rendering algorithm. Such as quantum entanglement
7. Since almost everything is centered around the player, and almost everything is being rendered as per the player pbservation, not only future, but also any past time event is still on a form of code, and being rendered once the player is observing it. Thus, quantum delayed choice was happened
8. When the player dies, it could goes to spectator mode. Since the player viewport is not necessarily hard coded to the rendered body.
9. The player could go to different realm or mini games during sleep
10. There are millions of account and eyewitness, testimoning about them being experiencing some kind of glitches in the matrix
11. There are literal source code of higher level programming language, written and stored in every living things. That when compiled and run, it will create chemical nano machine that run autonomously based on previously written code.
12. Religious text that literally said "surely, this worldy life is just a game play, and the hereafter is better for the piety, dont they think it?"
In The Sims, the Sims can play a Sims game on their computer. It's already begun! 🤯
Maybe they're the ones controlling us🤔
@@TEFLONDONTRUMP2024 them controlling us control them
albert enstein told us we are living in a simulation there is nothings real, LOOK how vast IS universe
Albert einstein said that
@@elviscesar8021 Interesting... the "unfinished" quality inherent in a seemingly infinite universe we have to concoct an increasingly esoteric language (math) to try to explain... would seem consistent with that "inexistent virtual beyond" of, for example, Minecraft.
Honestly the way 2020 is going it really wouldn’t surprise me if this was a simulation
It actually makes me even more sure that it's not a simulation
@@xooperz You never spawned a tornado next to your sim city?
Sure is . ruclips.net/p/PLh0SdY2vf5SqZ1ILUv-P9f0DwJqwpZxJZ
Colt CGH right
If it is, it really needs a serious patch to fix all these glitches we've been having lately!
this is why deja'vu lasts only seconds because the simulation corrects itself when we begin to realize we are in a simulation loop
Oh wow. That actually makes a lot of sense😬
@@rileyn0547 yeah if your smoking drugs🤣
😳‼️->🤯
Or maybe it could lead to a multidimensional loops and when the loops collide with a different dimensions they shift together and become one causing u to get deja vu
@@haydencirilo8721 yes! And because the frequency is slightly ahead or behind, it feels like a memory that you can almost predict
We have only been making video games for 65 years. Give us at least 200 more years and we will create a simulation of our own.
One simple question : to be at the end or at the beginning of the simulation chain, we have to assume that one civilization simulates only one simulation. What if one simulation is running multiple simulations , so rather than being a liner flow it's more like a root branching out. So dart when thrown can hit a simulation without further simulation and odds change from 50/50 to way higher.
Think about it, we live in a very specific world, we can literally make a list of thousands of characteristics. What are the chances someone simulates our exact world? Literally one in infinity, while the chances that the world is as it seems is 99.99%
Yep Roopak, I was looking for this comment. You are right, every sim-capable universe could be running a ton of simulations, and then when they start running their own it becomes a tree structure and makes the odds of us being the first or one of the "leaves" very small again.
Yes I agree!1 he is only talking aboiut one stimulation creating only one simulation!
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Duncan, if we were in a simulation, everything is the way it is because of the simulation. Those characteristics would be of said simulation, not necessarily of the non simulated, base reality.
I wish I'd had a teacher like Neil when I was in School
He’d keep touching you.
I do(not Neil) but a clone of him
Yes me too I definitely would have worked in science
@@Olibelus people like u r dangerous
@@psychicspy1234 It's a joke, chill out. Peace
Maybe we're just making power for someone's car battery.
Get shwifty
No wonder our efficiency's are low... Rest of it is powering the brake lights
That's slavery .... with extra steps
How many times have you watched Rick and Morty?
Not the matrix
"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
- Douglas Adams.
This reminds me of the Rick and Morty episode when Rick created a battery for his space ship and it was wolrds within world's powering up eachother 😆
I searched for this comment to comment on it.
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Pickle Rick!!
It reminds me of when they went to blitz and chitz and played roy
Yes 😂
"Of course you're a character in a book, Harry. That doesn't mean it's not real."
- Dumbledore
Reading your comment it reminded me of _Sophie's World._ In the book, a 15 year old girl figures out that she - along with everyone and everything she's ever known - is just a thought of the writer written inside a book. It elaborates further your comment.
Ironclad i love/hate doing that
This is why I love science; all the crazy yet plausible theories are fun to explore
This isn't science as much as it is philosophy.
Sometimes its fun but sometimes scary
Oh stop.
@@Just-Browsing-123 the question of whether it is possible is (primarily) philosophic, the question of whether we are living in one now is scientific
@@zacharycallaghan7016 none of this was scientific or philosophical.
I want to have this conversation 10 years from now. I been watching since 1984
I love watching rational scientists work on problems like these. I imagine that ancient peoples had much the same conversations as they tried to work out the motivations and objectives and moralities of their gods.
Very thought provoking. Thank you.
Just read ancient philosophy books
Oh yeah they did, along with a huge communal bowl full of whine mixed with water.
The people from the old days were using their brains more than we do today, i.e collectively as a society because if they were thinking like we do now, we won't have all the technology and comfort we have now. It would be Just a world full of flat earth fanatics and that day is coming soon looking at how our education system is failing and how people confuse stupidity with freedom of speech.
Or while their bicameral minds were forming!
I think the second argument that we are either the real universe or the one that can't simulate universes yet is not a good one. All you need is a single species jn the entire universe to he able to simulate a universe in order for the chain to continue. Just because we can't simulate a universe doesn't mean we are the final chain in the sinulation-verse.
Also, maybe the simulations each universe makes is way less detailed than their parent universe. So maybe we have already continued the universe chain when we made Minecraft, or GTA, or whatever. Just because those games are way less detailed than our universe doesn't mean they aren't universes.
Maybe our universe is just a very simplistic game to our parent-universe.
Here's a cookie if you read all the way to the end 🍪
How can we be the first universe?
Great point! I also don’t like the “well they would simulate post simulation because its more interesting”. We make more entertainment in the present because the “ingredients” are more accurate and readily available. Its easy to re create 1985 than it is to re create 329 bc. Just sayin!
It's true, we would not know the difference. Just like we can't perceive the 4th and additional dimensions
I don’t like the argument they made because it’s implying that there is only one “real universe” or the “base universe” that is the start to all the simulated universes. By implying there is a non simulated universe there must be another way to as how it got there. Using this logic we cannot assume that only one “real” universe was created. There could be an infinite amount of real universes making the probability of us being in a simulation change drastically. Especially depending on when these base universes were created
Also they are assuming that each simulated world only makes 1 simulation. The one previous to ours could have made hundreds of simulations and who knows if those ones continued on the cycle
The simulators after watching: **nervous sweating** they’re becoming aware
Well, if we’re next in that supposed chain, maybe that’s what they want us to do, maybe that’s the legacy they leave to us and the one we have to leave someday to the next ones in the chain.
Creator..Not stimulator wholly.We are stimulating ourselves in virtual illusion and experiencing universe hologram.Amazing!!
Theyre beginning to believe
Who's they
@@saifali6321 we
In the movie Alien Covenant when David the robot says to the human over the billiards table "why did humans make him (David the robot)? The humans answer was "because we could"!. David's response was a classic. He replied "how disappointing would humans feel if they learnt that's why the engineer's made humans". But David is right. Maybe human engineers made us because they just could.
Another idea: how do you know that your memories are real? For all you know, the experiences you remember could have been fabricated from the moment you woke up today and you just began your simulation this morning
Ooft...
Woah...i like it. Maybe this is why we have reoccurring dreams?
That’s not impossible.👍🇬🇧
Yeah another similar to theory is you're the only concious being and the rest is your imagination
I've always thought this same thing. When I start a new game in Minecraft, from the villagers perspective their ancestors built that village, taught them to grow crops, etc. However in reality their entire world has only existed for a few minutes. But they have no way of knowing that.
Unfortunately, Neil's "chain" argument assumes a linear progression: one simulation creating another.
What if one simulation created multiple simulations at the same time? Then we're back to the fact that statistically, we are in a simulation.
Excellent point.
Exactly my thoughts, pretty big oversight by Neil tbh.
Why are we assuming that the laws of probability and statistics work the way they do outside of our reality?!
Paranormal activity still remains in question though
It's still the same theory, except now you are putting us as the first stimulation from the original instead of number n stimulation. We will reach a point where we can make stimulations ourself, we just have not gotten there yet. It's still the same concept, one or the other, either you are the original or the latest stimulation, even if you are the nth number of stimulations created at the same time.
As someone who plays a lot of games, I always think of the speed of light being the render distance of our universe as a joke, hearing someone else say the same thing put a smile on my face! :D
we live no different from a video game sadly the government schools money social media make it worse I'd rather live in the jungle
Physicists are flat brain
Tides are an artifact of coastlines moving in stable seawater, caused by thermal expansion of the crust caused by moving sunlight.
Lunar gravity has nothing to do with anything on Earth. Scientists are dumber than pigs for believing that tides, which move at different speeds and in different directions one to four times a day in different locations and at heights ranging from 3 feet to 50 feet, are caused by the moon's gravity.
@@crystal-gj8zeSaid like someone who's never even been camping
You assume that the sim building event will only ever happen once. Lydia sits in Whiterun talking about how there is only one Skyrim so there is only one chance it's a sim. Little does she know....
The speed of light determined our render distance.
My thoughts exactly. Light is just as fast as their cpu
Possible. But this assumes the speed of light is also constant in our parent universe which isn't necessarily so.
Can't outrun the loading bar, they need to upgrade to faster storage probably, some days feel like they're running on floppies 😂
@@ro-ninma-ta3871 Damn dude🤣
Lol
Everybody gangsta until we find a duplication glitch
Edit: this was supposed to make you chuckle, not make you fall on the floor.
Deja vu is glitch
@@vargvikernes4859 Doppleganger, Mandela effect
what about twins, they seem kinda sus
😹
I will duplicate my socks and keys for sure
Neil: "What do all those simulations have in common?"
Chuck: "That they are all simulations?"
BOOM!!!
Chuck ain't wrong...
Thank you for discussing these ideas sincerely, Neil. Although some people laugh at what I consider to be a highly plausible theory about our reality, the most compelling aspect is that it does not conflict with science. After all, science is the study of the universe, which, in this theory, is itself the simulation.
But every time you allow a perfect simulation within a simulation, the computing power of the original hardware has to climb dramatically. At some point, the first computer running the first simulation would hit it's limit.... UNLESS every time that someone creates a simulation inside the simulation, that rendition becomes less detailed and less encompassing. We might be living in the equivalent of an 8-bit graphics version of the original simulation. If that's the case, then new simulations we create will never match our own experience of the universe.... either that or each simulation would simply have to limit the speed at which things happen... so the deeper you go, the slower it gets. Each level has an even slower "speed of light," etc.
Interesting that actually makes perfect sense
Wow this is a very good point
You can stream Xbox series X games on your old xbox one. So maybe cloud gaming is the future.
Wow... Thats an incredible piece of thought...
Unless time is slowed down. It might take a year of computing time for the base computer just to calculate 1 second for us
Chuck: 1:40
The Simulator: *He's catching on* .
Simulation: Let's sent the agents to put it an end
Rodrigo F.N *Morpheus:* Bring it on
Hahaha 😂
So basically, the day we have enough computing power to completely simulate our world accurately, is the day we know that we are overwhelmingly likely to be living in a simulation ?
That's what he's saying, and I'm not super genius scientist but the logic doesn't follow. Does that mean I'm not hungry until I have the ability to eat? I'm not hot until I know how to cool off? I'm confused at the logic that settled Neil.
@@beezyj3227 My understanding is this: once we are able to simulate a world like ours, we can make multiple simulated worlds within our one “real” world. Knowing this, we can assume that there are more simulated worlds than “real” worlds. It would be more likely that the world we live in is a simulated world rather than a real world simply because there are more simulated worlds than real worlds.
Or we are the first
@retsaM innavoiG entertainment. we can be just a game for money, not a scientific playground.
@@beezyj3227 the problem is that you cannot know that. Unfortunately, you know how to breath before you physically born, as well as everything else. I think we can prove that world can be simulated, when we prove that world is Turing complete, which may be done before we found enough computing power (I am not sure that even quantum computer may be enough for simulating itself).
1:40 😅 does makes sense
There could be multiple simulations in a single simulation.
That's what I was thinking. There should be billions or at least millions of simulations running in the "first" universe alone. So down the line that would mean there are still billions of simulations in the evolution phase, right?
@@scottmerts4036 If you are arguing about whether or not that would mean there are potentially an infinite number of "end simulations" that we could still be inside of, I believe that because we would be talking about different levels of infinity, it still wouldn't be a real solution that refutes what NDT points out from the book.
yeah
@@xIPatchy well the part about being in the physical universe or last evolution simulations might be true, but there would be a lot more simulations running the evolution phase than the total amount of simulations running in the first, so then it doesn't come down to a 50/50 outcome. If the first universe and all simulations would each run just 1 sim, then it would.
Scott Merts because we are talking about a level of infinity, aka an infinite loop of stacking simulations, multiplied by another level of infinity, the possibility of every simulation branching into multiple simulations, the likelihood of being inside of a simulation that is either an endpoint or the beginning is still the same, because while you are adding an infinite number of possible endpoints in your argument, you are actually creating a higher level of infinity at the same time, and cancelling it all out.
Breaking the speed of light and traveling to the other sections is DLC, behind a paywall. 😅
Probably its steel a beta, lots of glitch and bug😂
It requires infinite energy packs to unlock.
I’m just ftp
U gotta be a massive whale to do that
The simulation creators hired EA for that
@@cjoutright9255 *Rockstar
Everyone saying, “programmers are worried now” but me thinking this was the first update they added to make us smarter
It would be through machine learning/AI so no input would be necessary
The Poundstone's argument isn't really strong. Not every simulation has to end up creating its own simulated worlds. You can create a simulation for some specific purpose, like to simulate alternative versions of WW2 and end the simulation with the end of the war.
I love how excited Neil gets at the thought of a possible new theory at 1:46. He really does just have a huge passion for the unknown. And that’s what makes him a great scientist. He’s a brilliant man. But he’s also humble and understands just how little we know. But he approaches the new frontiers with wonder and excitement and logic.
He didn't create that thought. It's been discussed...
He can't help it. He was programmed to be that way.
You praise Neil too much. He considers UFOs to be bunk in the face of overwhelming evidence. He will refuse to look at it. This is not someone looking for new science.
@@nctrnlmjsty8719he was referring to chuck saying thats why we cant travel faster than light because they wont be able to program it. I think thats new
Attention to detail makes a good scientist.. . Saying "wow man" just makes a good friend
There is a rick and morty episode called “the ricks must be crazy” about this exact same topic. Where rick created a world then the smartest guy in that world created a world and it kept going.
EXACTLY! I remember that episode!
Yeah was thinking about that
He created a microverse
A miniverse
That sounds like slavery with extra steps
Neil deGrasse Tyson the first man to wear a shirt over his jacket, you saw it here first folks.
Simulation theory proven
Bruh.... I was thinking the same thing.
Bruh i didn't even notice until I read that..
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😳
If it is proven not Theory anymore
@rapture ocotber 16, 2021 you ok bro?
4:09 but that implies that all simulations have zero restrictions on them. Our simulation (if we are in one) could have parameters or restrictions placed on it stopping us from currently simulating more.
That just sounds like slavery with extra steps
this is actually so funny if you get it 😂😂
nonono, they work for each other
@@victoriaaalyn edgy
we are car batteries
Wait a minute! Did you create my universe!
Respect to the idea that the speed of light is the "Distance fog" of our simulation
To see Tyson when that speed of light mic was dropped 🤗
Fog of war
I always thought this.
Yeah that part was great, I hadn't even thought about it, but it makes sense, it's like the loading time.
Hmmm that’s I thought, why can’t we travel faster than light? But we don’t even reach where human have the Einstein of quantum mechanics
Quantum realm is limitless
Then i back again , if all material objects travel faster than light how chaotic the universe will be? There wouldn’t be any life at all
The material universe would not make sense
What if people who can control their lucid dream are hackers
jokicha lucid dream by definition is dreaming with complete control
W. Joy P How?
Than I guess I am a hacker cause controling my dreams and thus it becoming a lucid dream.. I did that a number of times.
What if this is a lucid dream too and you just don’t believe that so you have no control because you don’t know this is just a dream yet
I used to be a extremely lucid dreamer now with the stress in my life I lost that power :/
The simulation started when Harambe got shot.
Dofh
Lmfao
Simulations creating simulations endlessly leads me to believe that we could be a self-replicating computer virus.
Adrees Mukhtar, you just blew my mind.
what do you mean by "could be"?
Will Pack, what if there are two independent simulations that are separated by nothingness? I mean, with no space or time between them?
Will Pack, lol
What if the simulation is Earth and we are the virus and Coronavirus are the antibodies
The next question is: does it make a difference to us whether we are in a simulation or not, and how?
@Spoopy Spopk Why are we assuming we can't escape? Logically we should treat it like humanity did with space. Did we always know if we could get off this rock? No but some people believed and some didn't. We should at least start with the question: Can we escape? Do we want to?
Andrew of course humanity can escape from the earth but not from this universe
Andrew we can surely escape, the real question is can we get back?
@@Andrew-ht7rf if we judge the rules of a simulated world by how we create them now, this assumption doesn't seem unlikely. Can video game characters escape it even if they knew they're in it? No. They are nothing but bits of information stored on a hard drive and came into life on a RAM. They cannot continue to exist outside of that hard drive.
If that is the case, knowing whether or not we are in a simulation doesn't change our lives at all
Existential crises and beliefs may or may not affect our lives as a civilization. However, as individuals, some might start to behave differently when they are plagued by these nihilistic thoughts. Some might get depressed. Some might stop caring about humanity and become a threat to others...
The psychological side effects of acquiring one worldview or another are various and serious
at 4:40 I got chills knowing that, and the part where he says "maybe that's why we can't travel faster than the speed of light" we have become powerful beyond measure
The speed of light is probably the speed of the CPU power that is running the simulation. That is why it is a hard limit. The program/vm can not exceed the speed of the CPU, since that is the max calculation speed.
Chaos and disorder have been more prevalent than order throughout the existence of our Universe; given an infinite amount of time, a Universe arising randomly from disorder dwarfs the number of Universes arising from such an unbelievably constrained perquisite. Don’t really feel like using calories to think up more counterexamples which won’t put food on the table.
Drinking game: take a shot every time Neil touches chuck’s hand
He's telling him to stop talking so he can talk more.
Thanks now I have alcohol poisoning:/
max d alcohol poisoning in 3...2...1...
max d
I haven’t noticed this until you said that 😐
Niel de Grasse Tyson at 1:46
Awoo! Awoo!
I love the reaction
He had a nerdgasm. Me too.
@@nokta7373 lol bro u had me cracking🤣🤣🤣🤣
it was absolute cringe imo. "we are thinking so deep we are so smart let's scream random noises" ugh.
@@IAMSOUND99 hater
@@kingbinx "me so smart"
I can’t believe how excited Neil got when Chuck suggested the speed of light/CP parody.
Yeah I enjoyed that
I love how exciting they are when talk😂
Wait a minute this isn't related to coronavirus, thanks for that 🤗☺️
Honestly though..
No. It is. Covid 19 is just a big event in this simulation.
ya but notice how Neil touched the host's hand for emphasis -- How are we supposed to trust this Disease Vector about living in a simulation when he can't even respect other disciplines: virology etc
clumsiii Literally stop.
I was just thinking about that
When your Sims character realizes it’s in a video game 🎮
JJ Like really, if your Sim character started being conscious and trying to exit the game, would you be a little scared ? Maybe try to stop it ? Lol. Maybe that’s what the creators don’t want us to do 😂
@@Epiphemma Well time to take out the disc and destroy the hard drive lol
Quick click on the mailbox and “make all happy” before that puddle occurs!
@@Epiphemma hmm.... there's a movie idea in there somewhere.
They didn't get into the double slit test where it's been discovered that matter behaves completely differently if it is observed or not.This to me shows we are in a simulation.
Can the "real universe" people be sure they're real after creating the first simulation?
Probably because at this point they are so advanced they have found a way.
Isn’t that the whole argument for simulation? Because we CAN, we probably ARE? Given how young civilization is compared the the universe.
I hope they don't accidentally unplug us from the power source.
They made us dumb at first for a reason
@@ArthurmacedomenezesAraujo maybe they ARE US after plugging the power source ( like movie matrix)
1:45
My reaction when my best friend thinks exactly like me at the same time.
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Maybe "sleep" is really just the brain's "system update" period where it downloads new files, repairs bugs/viruses, and stores/deletes temporary memory files... 🤷♀️
If that's true why do animals sleep? Even fish sleep and they don't have brains. 90% of scientists agree sleep was evolutions way of dealing with too much information and recharging the brain
And when you sleep a lot of hours is because youre dealing with the Windows update
@@rohinpatel1 fish have brains and a central nervous system
@@simplykiara4719 lol true but the point is you don't need a brain to sleep. Cockroaches demonstrate this
@@rohinpatel1 Maybe their coding is complete? They don't need constant updates because of their simple programming. With evolution, it's like sending out a new phone. Eventually the old ones die out.
I have recently heard dmt and laser reveals matrix type code that many have experienced.
I myself have never… But when I was in high school tried salvia and I saw red matrix code. This explains something to me without even knowing
I have never laughed SO HARD at something educational. I adore these gentlemen ,
The flaw in the 1 of 2 logic (50% chance we are a simulation) is that it assumes only one simulation comes from the previous one. In reality we have many developers programming many simulations in each simulation. Therefore, it is exponential and the logic breaks down and statistically speaking we are more likely to be in a simulation...
Statistics assumes that you have many examples and you can count frequencies of simulations relative to non-simulations. If you don't have that, then you are simply using the term "statistics" wrong. Which you are.
It sounds like Neil really doesn't like this theory and is just looking for ways to cope with or disprove it. If we were a simulation look towards video games, in Sims you can speed up and pause time, while we might experience time and life whoever is simming us if we are a sim might just hit the fast forward button till they play things they wanna see while we live on in real time. This argument that we aren't a simulation because we cannot make simulations makes no sense. If we are a historical simulation or a simulation meant for long term development why would they start a sim off with the same tech as themselves?
@@Caedus696 Replace "simulation" with "god" and you basically sound like your average apologist.
@@schmetterling4477 Not in the slightest, the theory is based off the logical growth of our technology. If we don’t wipe ourselves out eventually we will reach that level of computing power and will be able to make a sim. It’s got nothing to do with religion.
@@Caedus696 The logical growth of technology? Folks, we got ourselves a naive extrapolator alert. :-)
"Reality! What a concept!" -- Robin Williams
I love this
I miss him.
Nothing happens by accident, everything is connected and there are no coincidences: this is the essence of conspiratorial thinking. Most of the time, things just happen, but our brain can connect the dots into meaningful patterns, even if these connections are imaginary. Conspiracists prefer sinister motives behind the patterns rather than accepting the randomness of life.
This stuff gives me anxiety but I oddly like it sometimes?
Right now if enough of us say that ethically we should create a simulated afterlife, for simulated copys of ourselves (if we ever simulate human minds), then do to simulation theory it increases the chances of us having an afterlife astronomically!
Don't worry, it *can't* matter
Thoughts like this sometimes gives me an inner anxiety.
I have to come back and listen to this every year or two.
👋🏽 hey, have you been back yet😊
We're assuming the simulators have the same psychology as us
I mean when you program the game you kind of base npcs or the characters on real humans right ? Like people in real life
He basis it all on the simulation being for entertainment or ancestor study. He doesn't consider the possibility of an A-Life simulation or safe sandbox for developing of moral AI.
also if the computers in the first world shut down then everything dies? And it would have happened by now because it takes time for each world to develop a simulation, so with infinite simulations forming, the first cant be running that long
@@youssefelbanna6074 we do, yeah. But do they?
Scooby MiKE I’m assuming that we’ve adopted this , let’s call it technique , from the ppl who created this simulation, if we are in one anyway
It's no big deal that we can imagine building a world of any kind anywhere at anytime as specific and perfect as is reality and then imagining we are really in that world.
I might be missing something but I can't really agree that his reasoning proves it's less likely we're a simulation.
Suppose you create a simulation to run and set certain parameters then just let it run. With a massively powerful computer (Jupiter Brain) who is to say what we are experiencing now isn't happening in an instant to the creator but to us who are in the simulation feels like billions of years. Also who is to say we are the focus of the simulation?
Suppose some other bacteria evolved and created the computer. We just happen to be a random result like all the other NPCs (Non Player Characters) in the world like birds, insects and trees etc. that happen to pop up in the simulation. We just happen to be at the "top of the food chain" in this simulation?
Why can't a simulation start from the Jurassic period and naturally progress past what we have now? To the point where we eventually eventually create a computer able to create the same? Especially if it's say an Ancestor simulation.
It's like in Minecraft. You have a set of laws and physics in what looks like a simple and primitive game yet people have been able to make working virtual computers in the game.
This perspective creeps me out.
Quite interesting thought.
here is a catch, we need to talk on the same foundation. we can also say that other universes can have different reality, different math, statistics and physics. if we are talking about simulation, we are also talking about computers. and for today's knowledge we know that only humans can build one. simulation is expensive, that's why he talked about just in time simulation, like digging earth and program gives you more earth. if we are byproduct, now we should have died. we consume much more energy, we have very complex brain that is also very hard to simulate. so they are not as valuable as we are. because of that we assume that they would simulate us, and when we think of ourselves, if we had that computing power for creating simulation, we would also create ourselves. and this is where chain reaction comes. what if our creations wants to also create a simulation.
but this doesn't explain about universes true past, maybe we just woke up in 1900. maybe our universes age is 5000. but this is true in simulation, not reality. and for probability of simulation is just literally 50/50.
What if earth isn't the focus of the simulation but our galaxy or universe is.
He just said the probability is 50%, which is back to same as chance.
I like this idea that Chuck was getting into, that our universe is basically in early access and the speed of light is only there to give the devs time to finish the other levels.
I think it's more like the speed of light is the loading screen, or draw distance, or frame rate limit.
He said it as in you would be moving faster then the simulation could load around you kinda like minecraft when u have some lag and you move too fast too the point where the chunks cant load in
So the "big bang theory" could be true in the sense of being the "beginning" of a simulation created in another "universe". The evolution of humans could be thought as realtime coding being entered into the system, this would mean that in "this reality" time is experienced differently to the previous reality. What appears as billions of years in this reality, can literally be days in the previous reality.
You clearly didn’t understand
@Chilly300 All you are saying is that God is literally the programmer of this simulation. That's the funny thing about the simulation theory, it can be easily applied to many different ideologies.
Thing is. When we use the argument "not enough computing power" describing how big our universe is and how many atoms are in it, we use OUR understanding of computing power. We have no idea who is running the simulation, and what the world looks like on the other side. For all we know, we are a simulation inside another simulation. We can't use the argument "computing power" to cause doubt here, that makes absolutely no sense.
If we are in a simulation, everything might have started with someone switching it on (The Big Bang), and boom, and off we go. We might be procedurally generated. There just is a mathematical code at the bottom that describes certain things, and sets certain rules that cannot be broken, and off we go.
Possibly the Big Rip is when the switch gets turned off?
Like that one Rick and Morty episode
The simulation hypothesis, which suggests that our reality might be an artificial simulation created by a more advanced civilization, challenges our understanding of existence and consciousness. If true, this idea could revolutionize our perception of the universe, suggesting that what we perceive as physical laws and material reality are merely coded instructions in a vast computational framework. This hypothesis invites profound questions about the nature of consciousness, the origins of the universe, and the purpose of existence. It also raises ethical and philosophical considerations regarding the creators of such a simulation and our place within it.
If the simulation hypothesis were true, what implications would it have for our understanding of free will, consciousness, and the nature of reality? How would this perspective influence scientific exploration and our quest to understand the universe?
i shoulda got high before reading this it would blow my mind
“That convinced me, I didn’t want to be convinced” Neil Degrasse Tyson..... true words of science
Neil really broke down when Chuck mentioned the speed of light being a programmed limit
Well also the smallest distance might be programmed in
@@nosuchthing8 It's the resolution of the machine floating point word.
@@dennisrkb I come from a programming background and I know what you mean.
Years ago I was playing a quizz type game with friends and when you exceeded the limit for some integer count, it would wrap around to a negative value.
If the architect uses some machine with a massive word size of 1024 bits, you could store info very precisely for a huge range.
It could be a floating point issue too. We don't know the implementation.
They did this in Rick and Morty where one simulated universe made its own and so on.
They weren't simulated universes in Rick and Morty they were mini universes meaning they were real they were just tiny
@@nikibronson133 It was because Rick got lazy to recharge his car battery every time so he created those mini universes so they could solve his energy problem by solving it for themselves first, pretty clever if you ask me.
@@yerdude lol not exactly right but I know dude, clearly, because I watch the show....you may think its kinda clever but the point was that it was "just slavery with extra steps" 😅😅
You know Rick and Morty were made by two child molesters don't you?
Not exactly, those weren't simulations.
At what point does a complex simulation become reality? We currently have a very complex reality that is beautiful. Why do we want to create something that is less than what we already have and while it’s a nice conversation, what is the likelihood of that happening when we can’t even get an iPhone a computer, a satellite on electric car to function well?
Also, if we were able to simulate, we would become self aware that we were a simulation. Probably. So all worlds able to simulate would assume they are simulations, which creates moral dilemma when bad things happen in simulated worlds.
Does it though? I'm a proponent of the simulation hypothesis, just not quite as "literal" as Neal is, at least in this video which is several years old. He's literally imaging that somewhere at the "end of the line" there is one (or more) actual PHYSICAL beings running actual PHYSICAL computers, but to me, the entirety of the language about it is metaphorical... This universe is calculated... That much is clear. By whom? Well, that gets into philosophy that would take me a long post to explain.
However, my point wasn't to go into depth about "my version" (which is shared by millions), but rather to point out an example of how you may be wrong...
If you play any sort of game that involves "killing" other humans, ESPECIALLY if that computer human is being played by another actual person, aside from scoring points and perhaps defeating your opponent(s) on a simulated battlefield (or whatever), and MAYBE resulting in bruising someone's ego, you have done them no harm. Ergo, IF this reality is in fact a sim, regardless of from whence it came, and after what we think of as death, we respawn (video game term) or reincarnate (more accurate to describe the spiritual aspects of the cycle of life as we know it), have we done any long-term harm?
You ever heard Rick say Analysis mode
@@emmanuelbello6665 Well. No, can't say I have.
It’s like when you’re dozing off and start dreaming, then realize you’re dreaming 😮. The other thing is you are dreaming that you’re still awake but for some reason you can’t move and there is something or someone standing by you that shouldn’t be there and you’re trying to yell or move to get someone’s attention or grab a club 😮
@@kevykevTPA i think that if it's a simulation, the rules of death still apply and your consciousness is "deleted" or the data is recycled/shuffled into something new for when a new mind is born. you inherit some traits from your parents though.
Imagine this. The simulation was switched on at this very second with all perceived memories and thoughts and history perfectly replicated to the state that you think.
Yeah, and while booting the replication extremely fast, the history needs to happen. So we may be just living the booting of one of the gazillions simulations that can replicate itself.
Fernando Wolf Bona it doesn’t work like that. You don’t have to simulate something happening to have it be baked into the history of the simulation. Video games don’t simulate the erosion of mountains placed in them, they just create them there.
@@kirkhamandy did I say I came up with it?
Yup
Kinda like Rick and Morty with the universe as the engine, which then creates its own universe
which then creates its own universe
Exactly what I thought about
Actually as a battery
Reece Turner The entirety of that show is playing with quantum theories like this
Which creates a teeniverse
In the first few minutes of the video itself, they went from someone creating a simulation to us being in a simulation...and that too flawlessly
Neil shaking his hands and saying Waoo! Waoo! is officially the best thing I’ve seen in 2020 1:46
ruclips.net/video/TVqewTxRtyM/видео.html
That was just so wholesome 😂
😂😂