The Komatu: 'Dire Hare' Multituberculate Predator of Kairul | Speculative Evolution Creature
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Multituberculates were a clade of mammals successful throughout the Age of Dinosaurs and into the Cenozoic. In Kaimere, they persist into modern times with a wide range of families. From one such family, a formidable predator has arisen as a top mesopredator of Kairul: The Komatu, or dire hare.
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@@afatpossum2586 Oh I’ve been watching kaimere for a while now it just shocked me that a video that was 4 mins old from him just popped up.
Looks like we need the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
I see Pachycephalosaurids brought up on occasion in the context of Kaimere, but I don't think theres a video about this group. I do hope that someone donates enough for a video covering this kind of dinosaur. Love this project btw, truly inspiring in its depth and detail.
Thank you! Yeah I haven't had a sponsor, and they're not in the known world so haven't been addressed until now that I've been spending more time in Kairul.
@@TalesofKaimerewhen are you going to do the aliens in your universe besides the magic?
@@TalesofKaimeresince we’re on the subject of dinosaurs are their any Therizinosaurs in Kaimere, or at least any that survived the tyrant dysnaty’s extinction?
An actual predatorial hare sounds unironically like the stuff of nightmares.
Absolutely horrifying. Jackrabbits have an uncanny eerie vibe that I adore and am looking forward to applying to the herbivores (their wide-facing eyes contribute to the vibe and that wouldn't work for a predator like this)
Like the killer rabbit in Monty Python
Don't mess with a bunny.
@@TalesofKaimere "if you don’t know the difference between a hare and a rabbit you’ve never gazed into the cold wild eyes of a hare and known that if it could speak it would speak backwards".
Jack Rabbits etc are especially bad, because they are just vaguely humanoid enough that, combined with their worrying size (if you haven't seen one in real life, they aren't the size of normal bunnies, they are about the size of a toddler or small-medium dog) means that when they stand up in the middle of the night and all you have is a flashlight reflecting their glowing eyes back at you, it appears that you have just encountered a troupe of 20 - 30 strange humanoid goblin creatures who are silently judging you.
@marshalmarrs3269 Exploring ideas for mammal predators that aren't carnivorans
A hare being a predator that’s just insane but cool at the same time
Man, the artist really does anything to try to make the Komatu as the ultimate lifeform.
They are smart pack-hunting fast omnivorous hunting creatures with an incredible bite force with venomous spurs, a giant blade-like slicing/bone crushing tooth and incredible tracking abilities with a cool name too.
Give them a couple years more and they will learn how to fly aswell.
A Literal Killer rabbit of Caerbannog
We’ll not risk another frontal assault, that rabbit is dynamite!!!
With venom spurs, fast movement, pack hunting, and teeth of iron, the Komatu is a scary but thrilling addition to the cast of mammals in Kaimere, especially that large and mysterious eastern continent.
The multi's distinct ankle spurs are telling (they have more in common with monotremes) and their live birth was likely not one to one with "true" modern placentals, and it's reflected in the Komatu still having convergent or shared traits with modern marsupials.
Well, we truly finally have a Cheetah in Kaimere (in a way) !
The enthusiasts of this animal that were deceived to not have him for the Big Cats videos can be happy now !
Good thank you for your reliable source of entertainment and speculative evolution airy genius
Very creative concept! Can’t wait to see what other multituberculates are out there.
Heck yeah! Thank you! Very excited to do more work on them.
I gotta admit; I was very curious about these spectacular beasts, so, yeah... An amazing episode on an amazing animal...
Next week, we'll need a LOT of salt!
We sure do!
@@TalesofKaimere Believe me, they broke the 4th wall with me! There's that time where I woke up, and it was too silent, and it was my very first suspect! I was terrified!
I remember you mentioning "the Crown of Kairul" during your Tyrant Dynasty video and, since it was one of the only parts of the Eastern Continent that was outside the equatorial zones & thus _wasn't_ smothered by the volcanic ash clouds that ended said Dynasty, I love the idea of it being a mini Lost World of Cretaceous & Oligocene megafauna that went extinct elsewhere in Kaimere.
On a semi-related note, do Brontotheres still exist on Kaimere? Either on the Crown or the further reaches of Kairul proper? I love those funky not-rhinos.
Don't want to go public with my plans for the crown just yet, but it is indeed a bit of a sanctuary!
Brontotheres only came to Kaimere as the last hyper-specialized giants of their clade. While they did grow enormous and have a million years or so of success, they have been extinct for a long time.
@@TalesofKaimeredarn, I like their funny Y-shaped nose horns.
@@Serpentking789 Bronthotheres were harvested on Kaimere at the time they were just when it was about to die out on Earth, at the Early Oligocene.
There was no more small or more generalist and les sspecilaized species of it sinc ea long time at this point.
The Crown of Kairul is wanted to be a santuary, a sort of Lost World, but don't expect stuff from the Tyrants Dynasty at all, or a lot at least, like Keenan confirmed me once when I asked myself a question like the your first one.
That will be more recent fauna.
The first/thumbnail picture at the beginning of the video, with two Komatu hunting a (Neo)Pachycephalosaur, remind me a lot a picture from the book "The World of Kong : A Natural History of Skull Island".
In the book, there a species of dog-like synapsid cynodont, called Dinocanisaurus, who have one of its illustrations showing it hunting in pack a large bird called Hylaeornis.
Your illustration gived me personnaly many vibes of it.
And I like a lot when thins, even unrellated and non-influenced by each others, remind me others Spec-Evo works ! :)
Yeah, I know.
Thank you! Multis are very interesting and it's fascinating to think where they could have evolved. Super excited for next week!
Heck yeah! Multis are so cool I wish I could have studied them further. Next week is gunna be good!
An absolutely amazing animal! And honestly you covering multituberculates helped me learn quite a bit about them, which helps because I'm incorporating them in a world I'm making. On a different note, making the komatu and it's kin as figurines will be a fun challenge!
I would definitely like that!
You're making figurines?! Are you posting them anywhere? I've been wanting to do that myself but just don't have time so I would love to see another artist's work :)
@lilyblakeman9420 I got them on my RUclips channel, that's pretty much it. If you have discord or messenger I'd be happy to teach you!
That would be a way to go! Slain by an oversized not rabbit. The Monty Python memes should be brewing!!!
I'm very excited for the Silent Ones video next week! (Right after my birthday too!)
The Komatu is definitely a favorite of mine, as a similar carnivorous trickster "hare" was used in a one shot I ran. I really enjoyed the look into multituberculates, as I had always heard of them, but didn't know that much about them, believing them to be a poorly understood clade. I'm very glad to be proven wrong with so many recent studies!
Let's gooooooo killer multis
The Komatu is reputedly no regular rodent (or multituberculate), e's got a mean streak a mile wide. AND BIG SHARP POINTY TEETH!
This is an absolutely amazing concept for how certain animals may have evolved differently, why I've seen no one else do this is beyond me.
The Komatu is my new favourite animal from Kaimere so far!!!
The more we know about about multituberculates the more suprising is their extinction.
Absolutely.
Dr Polaris made a dedicated video on Multituberculates on his channel.
Very informative and precise about their clade, traits and lifestyles.
(Each of his videos on every animals clades or cryptids in fact).
The common concensus, that he mentionned too in his video, is that Multituberculates actually never really recovered from the KT-Extinction, like the Choristoderan.
And even if, at the opposite of what we often thought, competition with rodents was only mininal, they end up dying near the middle Cenozoic.
With the possible gondwanatherian as last suriving family of their clade (if the latter is proved to be a Multituberculate group, which is still in debates currently).
My pet theory is that they never quite won out over mammals by gaining the same niches in prehistoric Australia, S. Pole, and S. America (that were won by metatheans instead).
And while they had live birth, I still think their actual young were likely more vulnerable than the young of more derived modern placentals and they also did not develop pouches like modern marsupials did (hence why marsupials are supposedly "more evolved').
Also marsupials have placental birth too, but it's of course shorter term, with pouches being a mode of protection for mothers breeding in unstable environments.
A retrovirus supposedly gave rise to the more derived placencetal mammals (multis having extended placental birth is in all likelihood a convergent trait and did not neccessarily apply to all multis).
Multituberculates deserve some love! Thank you for this video.
My pleasure! They are fascinating and deserve way more than a reputation as ‘failed pre-rodents’
This thing rules. I bet it would be a popular fursona for Kaimeran furries
Finally some spot light for the Komatu. Definitely among my favourite beasts you have created. And I'm so excited for next week's episode. It's a long awaited one.
I like the fact the Komatu, despite being a very old creature you made a long time ago, is one of the rare ones who didn't received a lot, see any at all even here, revisions, redesigns of any sort and changes !
It have remained the same as like the first day you mentioned him in your videos, at the beggining of this RUclips channel, at the "Rabbits of Kaimere" episode !
Lorewise, info on him were only very, very minimal (until this episode, you only mention his existence and never give more explanations on him) and design/physical appearance wise, there any real changes either !
Sure, in the "Rabbits of Kaimere" episode and in the "How To Make a Speculative Biology Project Part 1: The Prompt", his design was clear orangsih with tiny spots, and here the illustrations in this episode are brownish with more larger and rounded spots. and even between the three in this video there a coat color differences, with the one at left, being dark-brown, while the two at right being more reddish in coloration).
But obviousely, there any inconsisencies and both four illustrations must be as valid altogethers considering that such a species with a so large distribution and social behavior must obviousely have several regions morphs or mutations, even coat patterns that arejust slightly differents from a specimen to another one.
So, really, I like a lot the Komatu !
You really made it perfect when you first created him !
My praises on this specific critter !
Yup! Most of the differences could be chalked up to population or individual variation, but the old one did have the spur in the wrong position (should be along the inseam of the leg that was because I misremembered a platypus specimen I looked at many years ago) and the teeth were also wrong, so I couldn't use that one.
@@TalesofKaimere Well, theses traits that shoudn't be like that can be put and explained as the orangish specimen have likely some kind of minors malformations.
It's occur frequently in species who have traits that aren't an important part of the animal's life and who don't threat his life if they came to be not usable that these same traits can be displayed in a deformed way.
As explained in the video, the spurs of the Komatu are a help to hunt, not more, but they can't still hunt more or less easily whithout too many difficulties whithout using them.
So, having their spurs in a bad position isn't a problem for them.
And for when their teeth are deformed in a certain way or another, specimens can live long and reach adulthood despite the deformed shape of their teeth that can prevent them to made kills.
Because as a high social animal, such specimens must be cared by the rest of their groups if they cannot hunt.
Much like Lions do when one of them is trapped in a poacher trap during several years, or like Smilodons cared for their injured members as fossils materials put evidences on their social behaviors.
With old and injured specimens that cannot hunt still living several years thank to their group who give them food.
@@dudotolivier6363 Rather than go through all those hoops, I simply say: old one is wrong. Don't refer to it. If you need it in the canon, assume it was drawn by a naturalist who didn't get a good look at it lol
@@TalesofKaimere That is also a good and more simple explantion ! Agree on that too 👍
Would be btw a nice topic to talk about the the Assemblay way of work, and hwo it managed overtime to study better and better overtime on Kaimere with the new technologies from Earth with our Modern Times.
At its creations, the Assembly made numerous illustrations of Kaimeran wildlife, even ones of the Known World, but have so poorly and limited tools and naturalist dwraning and working base on poor or unusual specimens of animals that didn't represent what their species is in general (and even often made reconstruction from oral testimoniies whithout having see the animals in question) that have resulted to the several outdated and obsoletes designs you made and that we have today.
Would be a nice topic to talk about !
This song was a banger I enjoyed its introduction to this video. 🥰
Heck yeah! Descend doesn't miss
*Deskant lol autocorrect got me as I hit send
The songs context was used in the right place.
I liked the part where the murder bunny asked, “What’s up doc?” and kicked the dinosaur in the butt
We stan a trickster
@@TalesofKaimere and a stinker
Brother Maynard, bring up the Holy Hand Grenade!
Ah yes, the video that introduced me to the series. It was one school morning and hen I was getting ready, I was all ready to leave but I had some extra time so I scrolled RUclips and found this. I thought it was weird but I grew a quick love for it. Thank you.
I'm so glad to hear it! Hope you continue to enjoy!
What are the many creatures of your speculative project that always interests me and that is so interesting about the multituberculates, would be very interesting that I miggr include at least one in future videos.
"What behind the rabbit?"
"It IS the Rabbit!"
🎵I have hare, I have a cheetah🎵
🎵HUH, This nice boy🎵
I'm getting serious holy Grail vibe from these animals
this is amazing! its so cool to see what could have been for the other mammals that died out like noone has made this type of stuff
I’m not sure how I ended up here but I’m sure glad I did. This is fascinating. ❤
Thank you, and welcome!
My Gosh. This murder hare is truly fascinating, really loved this video. Really glad you covered them in such detail. Any chance of a future Sea Beavers episode some day?Excited for the Silent ones episode next week..
I would definitely be down to explore the sea beavers more!
ive seen this thumbnail art before in your other video didnt realize it was a hare untill now
Love this! Gotta bring some holy hand grenades on any quest through Kaimere.
It's a necessity lol
It’s interesting nine about how certain creatures got the way they are.
For a long time... I have struggled with how I would have a cursorial canid-niche predatory multituberculate in my own world without it being basically a copy of this... but I think I've found the solution I was looking for... instead of predatory 'rabbits', my world has... 'killer kangaroos.'
Regardless these are still some of my favorite creatures of Kaimere, and I love this episode!
Thank you! A more bearlike or caniform bodyplan could also work, especially the caniform. The kangaroo body could also definitely work! Good luck with your project!
@@TalesofKaimere I already have a vaguely bear-like form inhabiting my world. And though a canine mimic would be the most obvious... the kangaroo-esque predator already has a pretty solid image in my head. I can imagine a pack of them latching on with jaws and clawed forearms, occasionally kicking to inject venom to drag down prey they have chased for miles... while the leader goes for the throat.
Thank you! Just have to say that your project has provided me with so much inspiration and ideas over the years. Yours is one of my favorite spec-evo/fantasy esque worlds I have come across on the internet.
Update: I did eventually go with a more 'caniforme' creature design. Basically because it made more sense given the other species I've designed that it's related to. And, honestly, what I came up with I rather like. It feels like sort of fantasy creature. A plausible chimera of sorts. And I rather like that vibe, honestly. :3
Dang, so thats whats up doc
I have a pet bunny and I spent the entire episode thinking of my little Charizard as a panther hare... a stone cold killer
*Points to Charizard’s fur* “This is the skin of a killer, Bella”
@@TalesofKaimere he’s albino so that works even better!!
- General Woundwort : "I... fear... nothing !"
- Komatu : "You will, now"
13:32 finally, the freak show is coming
Buckle up!
Another Amazing Video!!
I like it. It reminds me of a speculative evolution book that proposed predatory rats . I also like how pressure to complete with large predatory dinosaurs pushes pushes the development of social behaviors in mammals.
This is so cool and unusual. I was just recently thinking that we are experiencing the 6th extinction and that hares may play the role of predators of the future.
it's certainly not a hare, and it's even better. Only poison - it seems unnecessary to me. I wasn’t even too lazy to go into Google Translator (my English is bad). The author who came up with this is you’re cool. And I liked the sea beaver too. I even wanted to make a figurine of this “predatory hare”
I just found out about your channel and the lore of Kaimere and the animals you came up with are sooo interesting. It reminds me of Peter Jackson's Skull Island but with a lot more animals
Thank you! Quite enjoyed that film. Someday I'd love to get my hands on the field guide. Saw it once in a bookstore as a kid and wish I'd picked it up then!
Komatu comes out of its den.
Assembly agent: where's the predator?
Native: That is the predator.
Agent: You fool you got us all worked up for nothing. Hector goes to take care of it.
Hector: Right one rare excuse coming right up.
Native: Look!
Komatu attacks Hector ripping this throat open.
Agent: Jesus Christ!
Native: I warned you.
Haha pretty much! Violent bastards. Best have something explosive
I love your art so much, your a huge inspiration for me🙂.
Thank you! Always love to hear it!
2:57-3:52 More of the Warring Clades Period in Kairul.
The Komatu illustration right nearby the human shadow illustration is definitiely the Komatu version of General Woundwort from Watership Down !
Really guys !
Lokk at his face and facial expression !
My original name is Keenan and I never see anyone with the same name let alone anyone that is into speculative biology so I love to see this so very much 💕 keep up the good work
Amazing! These animals are very cool!
Thank you!!
SILENT ONES NEXT WEEK? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Heck yeah! Just uploaded it last night. Almost half an hour long!
MULTITUBERCULATES LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO here's for hope to more multituberculate megafauna
Safe bet!
Love to see a full Kairul Fauna Breakdown.
Someday! There are millions of species to develop so I doubt I will be able to get to a full breakdown, but I do plan on seeing more of it in the future!
I thought this episode will be about the silent ones but I'm happy either way
this might be my favorite mammal predator!
Thank you! Was very fun to make
Watership Down version Kaimere (crossover. Only final battle part because the best scene in every adaptation of this fucking good book !) :
The Bokudo have follow the Phanter Hare Hazel to the location where the final battle between his warren fight against the one of the Genral Komatu. The latter fighting alone his best warrior Bigwig, who fight as he can the mad general, accepting to give his life for the sake of their people if needed. Both sourounding by General Komatu's men watching their chief torturing the injured Panther Hare.
Hazel arrive in front of everyone eyes.
When seeing him, General Komatu firstly stop to fight and laught, thinking Hazel charging in a very last desperate attempt attack toward him.
All of his en do the same.
But the laught quickly stop when the Bokudo soon appeared.
While in a quick yet providential last effort rush, Hazel manage to enter the single burro given to, followed as soon by Bigwig, making them safe, most of General Komatu's warriors are are gripped by a fear that freezes them at the sight of the monstous and bloodthity mindless beast.
While most of them manage to recover and move their body again in time to flee, some others don't.
The Bokodu have so soon killed few of them, brutaly in the bloodiest way possible, tearring apart all of the limbs of their body and with their interior organs falling into the ground.
Then, his stare end up meeting the one of the General Komatu, who have watch the entire scene whithout moving, surprised.
Both watch each others during few seconds, then, deciding to not flee to proved again the warrior he is and that his unstoppable...
- General Komatu : "I fear no man", "I fear no dog" "I... fear... nothing !" Ahhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!
And charge mindlessely in a final blow to the Bokodu who react as same....
General Komatu's body was never found, but it is said that he's still alive, raoming these lands in search for revenge...
But for now, the Warren of the Panther hares was saved, in security away from his madness.
(okay, way more a re-interpretation from the 2018 version, but the overall idea still here).
Ligerbee likes this very much, predatory lagomorph is very scary.
Edit: I have heard of mulTITuberculates before but never knew what they are. Thx you for teaching me something new.
This was a nice video. Always liked the Komatu, as it is an interesting concept in and of itself. (A large predatory multituberculate.) Makes me excited for the inevitable episode on the Guchar. (Probably still my personal favorite even after all of these new multituberculates and a revision to one of the old ones.)
However, unrelated to this episode, I wanted to clear up something. If you remember from the Manephaunt video, I said this as a suggestion: "given how you seemed to be struggling with adding Aurochs to the setting of Kaimere, why not do this: The faunal turnover of 100,000 years ago (primarily from leopards, but also caused by other animals such as the Common Otter) triggers a localized harvest from Southern Russia and extends to Japan, bringing animals which mainly integrated and hybridized with local fauna, but leaving some descendants such as Aurochs? (Just a suggestion, but hope it helps.)". However, I meant to say that it wasn't a suggestion, but rather, it was a proposition, a fix, or even an idea for either that I thought I would help out with. So just wanted to clear that up, and that is all I have to say. Can't wait for next week where we learn about the Silent Ones. Cheers, Keenan.
Much appreciated! No worries. I’ll sort out the aurochs for a relevant episode but I definitely don’t want to add any more Cenozoic harvests. I do hope to do a guchar episode too! Might be making them multis too but the overall design would be the same.
The aurochs could've coincided with the Northern Eurasian and African harvests.
Watch out Elmer Thud!! For in Kiamere you don’t hunt wabbits. Here the wabbits hunt you with a blood stained grin
Looks like the rabbucks have gotten sick of the horranes.
And they got sick of the predator rats
That rabbit's dynamite.
This is whar happens when you dont give your babbits enough carrots
Ah yes, my favorite mammals... the mighty tubers
On Earth you hunt wabbits. In Kaimere, wabbits hunt you.
I thought about a fictional planet or location that's like Kaimere with different creatures from different time periods but is more like a prehistoric version Zootopia then anything.
It kinda bumbs me out that they don't lay eggs 🥚 because personally like a killer iron teeth Easter Bunny 🐰
Yeah I was also a bit disappointed to be honest, but I decided I'd rather lose the eggs than make them from a more basal clade and lose those wicked teeth
@@TalesofKaimere to be honest thats a fair tradeoff
Well, I've seen "Night of the Lepus" enough times to know where this is going...
Hey Keenan, late late comment for me, but was wanting to tell you how amazing this video was, and how much more I want to know about the Crocodile Jungle on the Permian islands. I’m watching my gf and kitten play and it inspired a new clade of lemur descended carnivorans, called the “Monkey-Cats” lol my kitten does this weird side walking think and it reminds me of how young baboons strafe sometimes. Have a good day/night and keep on creating!
We Need The Holy Hand Grenade
so....my avatar may be a muppet, but i have never looked and sounded like a muppet, arms aflail, than when you announced silent ones
I hope to see more of kairul in the future. Maybe even a peak into the crown?👀
Unrelated:how's your summer going Mr Taylor?
Now that I think about it, marsupials are almost definitely the more derived clade. Their egg-laying ancestors would have evolved to retain their eggs longer and longer inside a womb, until they simply had live birth and long gestation periods. A pouch doesn't seem like it could have evolved first, to me at least
Its always good to learn more about the eastern continent! Do you have any videos planned for any other kairulan creatures?
i love niche ass worldbuilding videos
It's Caerbannog all over again
Damn, a 45 second intro with still images is kind of a lot lmao
Can’t win em all
Cool
Killer bunny 😂
*he’s done raiding your garden now he’s coming for your souls*
Its like a hare... But dire.
We need a holy hand grenade for this thing. It's got a vicious streak a mile wide.
I was expecting rabbits of some sort in kaimere, but not these kinda wabbits!
who'd guess the rabbit would be hunting the fox
I was expecting a monty phyton joke somewhere
I decided to let the comment section take care of that lol
I remember that this used to be an actual rabbit/hare that became carnivorous, so what happened to that concept/idea?
Still around and unchanged: the prairie hare in the hare genus. They occasionally hunt small game and scavenge, but aren’t much bigger than real hares and certainly aren’t macropredators
You're thinking of the prairie hare in which if you've seen his lagomorph video, the prairie hare and komatu have been different creatures since their introduction.
Chad bunnies!
cool
I feel these creatures would fare well in a fight against knights.
Wabbit season? Fuck that! I don’t wanna get mauled to death!
It would be, appropriate, if the komatu were able to lay eggs.
Wait, is venom and live birth common in multituberculates?I had a clade of multituberculates planned that were laid eggs,so I guess I have to change that now.
I will say I don't know how exhaustive the study was. May have been for a single clade of multis. From what I understand a lot of this is still up in the air. I would do independent research before jumping to any major alterations.
@@TalesofKaimereCan you link me the study you showed in the video?
@@shingtiong9425 Not sure if the link will carry but here's the abstract: www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/720410
You may be able to find it through Google Scholar under: "Multituberculate Mammals Show Evidence of a Life History Strategy Similar to That of Placentals, Not Marsupials"
Even, there plenty others extinct true mammals groups outside Multituberculates that used plancentals, marsupial and oviparous methods, like the three extant groups of the Modern Mammals that are the Placentals, Marsupials and Monotremes.
So, you have a large choice to have mammals clades of both reproduction method in your spec evo world !
Also put the Panther Hare into the growing pile of Kaimere's increasingly fucking weird "Not-cat cats".
I wonder if someone could use magic to tame any animal through mind control
*RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!*
Could someone tame a Dire Hare? like if one was lost at birth and someone raised it?