What Happens When a Pilot Misses the Landing on US Aircraft Carriers
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I was a radar ET aboard the USS Forrestal during her 82 Med/IO cruise. Landing on an aircraft carrier was often referred to as a "controlled crash". The plane comes in with enough speed and power, if it misses catching any of the arresting gear cables, the pilot can accelerate and go back up for another approach. They practice this in what are called "touch and go"'s. Touching down on deck and then immediately taking off again. And, there's a net that can be deployed across the deck to "catch" a plane, if there's an issue with the tailhook, etc. That arresting gear is also very, very noisy, when you're on the deck below. Just below the flight deck is a full deck between the flight deck and the hangar bay. There was actually berthing spaces located in between the machinery rooms housing the arresting gear systems. I've been walking along the passageway there when a recovery took place. Between the thump and vibration of the plane itself hitting the deck, then the noise of the cable itself and the dampers, I can't imagine trying to sleep there.
Our berthing was in an "interesting place". On the 03, so just below the flight deck level. Outboard of the island, below what was referred to as the "bomb farm". That piece of flight deck area outboard of the island was where they would stage things before loading them on a jet prior to launch. We were right below it. Inboard from us was the stacks (this was a pre-nuke carrier), outboard was "air", beneath us water. Common saying was, if you heard a bump above you, you were fine. If anything happened, you wouldn't hear it, you'd just find yourself in the water. We got evacuated one day, due to a stack fire that was cooking the paint off the bulkheads, fuming the berthing compartment (or "coop"). That day sucked, given that I was night crew and we didn't get the coop back until time to go to work again.
The heat shields behind the catapults were called Jet Blast Deflectors, or JBDs. And, I can tell you from first hand experience where the blast is deflected from the starboard bow cat. Myself and another tech were up on a catwalk around the front of the bridge, coming up to either side of a small commercial type radar mounted there (LN-66, I believe, similar to a Raytheon Pathfinder). On that radar, everything is under a flat "dome", around 3' diameter. Held on by clamps. We had just unclamped the cover and were bringing it up and off, when they began a launch from the starboard bow cat. After almost having the dome ripped out of our hands, we tucked in as much as possible to avoid the blast and clung to the cover. As soon as the launch was over, we put the cover back on and aborted the job. Went back later, after flight ops. Even as high up as we were (around 8 decks up or so), it was still very hot and very fast.
We lost two F-4s on that cruise, one on a launch, one on a recovery. I was night crew, so I missed actually seeing the launch failure, but I saw the video. 1/3 - 1/2 down the rail, a sudden burst of steam, all the momentum dies, and the plane just dropped off the bow of the ship. You'd normally see an F-4 drop a bit as it left the deck, but it would immediately come back up. This one didn't.
The failed recovery was a night recovery and I saw the immediate aftermath. Our radar shop was in the island, and when someone ran in tell us about the crash, we all ran out onto "vulture's row" (a catwalk on the flight deck side of the island). Spot fires scattered between the fantail and the island. The plane had come in low and clipped the deck, apparently flipping over and breaking up across the deck. Since it was a night recovery, it meant our ACLS (Automated Carrier Landing System) radar was in use. We meant our shop was under investigation for around a month, as they went through maintenance records, etc. Finally determined it to be pilot error. The radar would get a lock at around 5 miles out, take control and put the plane on the flight path (hence, our investigation), then control was returned to the pilot for the last mile and the actual recovery.
We lost, I believe, 5 people on that 82 cruise. One heart attack, one fell several decks down a shaft, and I believe at least one per F-4 we lost. Not sure about the fifth, anymore. But, that was considered a "safe cruise". I suppose 5 people out of 5000 or so in six months isn't horrible. Probably better than, say, Chicago these days.
What an amazing story Mr. Kenneth Abrams, thanks for sharing! It is really interesting to read such insights from people who lived that period, who can provide real experiences to us. I'm not American , in fact I'm Italian, but I'd like to thank you for your service anyway.
First - Big Thank you for your service, Sir!
Second - thank you for taking time to tell us about these events. Your story is fascinating! The courage it takes to serve on these ships and jets is simply unimaginable! I now have more appreciation for my neighbors who are Navy retired. America is grateful to you! ❤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
With all due respect… HA-HA you were on the Forest Fire! LOL. We learned about you guys in Airman school in 2004. I was attached to the USS Carl Vinson and the USS John C Stennis. For anyone that doesn’t know, ask this gentlemen why that ship is now called The USS Forest Fire. Its a pretty harrowing story. High five my veteran brother!!!
@@desertegle40cal Yeah, seems like every time I've mentioned being aboard the FID (as we called it), people ask me about the infamous fire. Really funny, when they seem to think I was there. Given that the fire was in the 60's and I was in junior high school at the time...
I think the main thing about that fire, wasn't that it was unique or all that unusual, but it all got caught on film and contained a lot of "lessons learned". But, because that particular fire became a training tape that everyone saw in boot camp, and with a name like Forrestal, it got the nickname "Forest Fire".
We did have one fire while I was aboard that impacted me. A stack fire that was cooking the paint off the bulkhead in our coop. So, we had to evacuate the coop. I was night crew, so I spent that day 'sleeping' between two chairs in the shop.
Our nickname for the ship was 'the FID' because the motto on the ship's seal was First In Defense. Of course, a variation on that was FIDLIP, with varying definitions like "First in Deployment, Last In Port" or "First In Defense, Last in People". And, somebody actually had the balls to write that on a slip of paper and slide it under the door to the Captain's cabin.
On my second ship (USS Vreeland), we had a guy that got assigned to needlegun the deck in a pump room. He was dumb enough to make the letters "FTN" before quitting for the day. Unfortunately for him, our LPO stopped by to check on his work at the end of that day. That didn't go well for him.
@@brolinofvandar Oh i know. I mean the training video is in black and white lol. I met other folks in the Navy who were also stationed on the Forrestal. And youre correct. That ship is so popular BECAUSE it is now a training video and BECAUSE that situation had so many lessons to be learned. Both on point and needing improvement. Which then made that ship so famous.
I think what made that video so exciting WAS the fact that is was black and white so it made the smoke and fire look so evil and devastating. I mean didn’t some of the jets catch on fire too? Then have to be jettisoned? Correct me if im wrong cause i could be getting my training videos messed up but wasn’t John McCain on that ship and had to jettison his own jet? Or am i thinking of another ship disaster?
This is not really about what happens if a plane misses, it is about how successful launch and landings are done. There is one very brief set of shots of a crashed plane.
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As a 22 year veteran of the USAF, I am always amazed at the talent of the flight deck crew of a carrier. This is brilliant stuff!
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@@noerekhaidar2141 How much of this was the fault of your hands!
@@noerekhaidar2141 كم من هذا كان خطأ يديك للتقاعس عن العمل.
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Killing ancient people with these machines, what Americans are known for.
To all involved in our country's defense. GOD bless you all. May you be endowed with wisdom from above, courage, strength and protection to make it home to your loved ones waiting and praying for you.
Excellent piece of knowledge,I enjoy and gained a lot.
Muito bacana, maravilhoso, tecnologia de ponta dos americanos.
Very cool, wonderful, state-of-the-art American technology.
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Great job. Thanks, dude.
Very specialized systems. And very hard to put anywhere to train on. I grew up near to one facility that has the catapult system for Navy training. Remarkable system really.
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Very interesting and informative. Thanks for the video.
The longest rocket test track at Holloman Air Force Base is around 10 miles long, not 40 miles.
I figured someone would point that out.
The first time I walked onto the C-130J flight deck I fell in love! The flight deck immediately reminded me of a science fiction spacecraft. Gorgeous. I flew over 3,000 hours on another Lockheed product, the P-3 Orion, and love it but was blown away by the KC-130J.
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Thank you for your service, Sir! You are very special to us. ❤
They are really hero, who work for protection of their people and land.
I'm still trying to figure out what happens when a pilot missed the landing.
To answer your question if the pilot misses the arresting cable the pilot just takes back off..whenever the piolots touch down, they power up just In case they miss the cable.
Listen to danger zone, "Gotta do a touch n go, got her jumping off the deck."
@@logicalthinker8696 I was wondering if they they went to go around mode as on one of the landings that bounced, it appeared the aircraft easily had the capacity to get in the air quickly.
A WWII pilot said, tho, that if they landed past cables 1 and 2 he went into prayer mode…
@@jeffrey.a.hanson you have to remeber that when the pilot is coming in to land, they are applying their air brakes so ass soon as they touch down they power up just to be safe. Plus it's protocol
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Amazing is this, that those people has good coordination work and everyone crew member is important person. No one is left back. Motivation, support and discipline goes high ability for each crew members. This make the aircraft carrier ready for any time, what they need to do. Being of this ship is the one of the best job in the world!
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Those aircraft carrier pilots are very well trained, BEFORE they are assigned to a carrier. They have practiced the short landing on the ground, they know how to "bolter" if they miss one of the grab-cables, so very rarely is there a bad landing. Of course if the aircraft has been in combat and has damage, they handle that too, the best way they know how. It isn't often that an aircraft landing goes off the deck, they prepare for that also, but should their damaged aircraft miss the cables and can't bolter, there is a barricade net that can be quickly spread across the opposite end of the carrier to catch them, because it's always possible that an aircraft took damaging enemy fire and has any number of problems getting that bird safely on the deck! But they are very good at what they do on that carrier. I'm sure that they have so much training that "muscle memory" can enter into the equation and their actions are almost routine, with astounding coordination, that makes it almost a ballet to watch, they're that good! Now, I'll watch the above video and watch these competent officers work!
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the net is called barricade "rig the barricade" pain in the azz but important training
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I aint reading all of that
you covered everything but the topic of the subject line. i was hoping to hear if they land under full power, so they can go around, or what is going to happen. i never heard that here.
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@@tocoacolon8075 They approach and land at mid-range power and select full power upon touchdown, to make a bolter successful, if necessary
That is more or less what happens. A recovery (not exactly a "landing") on an aircraft carrier has been described as a controlled crash. They practice this with "touch and go"s, where they briefly touch the flight deck and immediately take off. They come in with more power than you would in a normal landing, prepared to kick it back up if they happen to miss the cables.
I have only 'flown' F/A 18 c on DCS. It is like a reverse of runway landing where one makes a smooth touchdown, close power, airbrakes/shute deployed etc. But on a carrier, it's more dumping the a/c to correctly engage the hook with arrester wires, and then open power just in case the cable snaps or if it's a 'bolter'. I read that the latest carriers have only three rows & not four rows of cables which has saved some weight. Also read that the pilots have to make over 300 landings on runway (with arrester wires), before cleared for carriers. I have done over 400 landings on the DCS sim with few crashes - and thank God it's a sim, not the REAL thing👍🙈
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This video was really interesting!
super interesting, thank you for putting this together
You haven’t lived life fully unless you’ve been on the flight deck during high tempo ops. I’m a USN/USMC flight test engineer and have done that. Been under a F/A-18 while it was on the cat in full burner getting ready to get shot off. We had equipment under the aircraft that had to have a final check just before a cat shot to ensure it was calibrated at the last possible moment. Under the aircraft when it’s ready to go the sound is a physical thing. You can feel it in your guts and bones. A cat shot is the ultimate rush! No roller coaster or anything can replicate that feeling. My job is to make sure the war fighter has the best tools in the world.
Nice description, and thanks for your service.
You think being under the plane is intense? Try being in the plane when it's shot off.
100% BS. You are fabulating.
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Killing ancient people with these machines, what Americans are known for.
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Better question.
What happens when the pilot lands safely but the brakes catch on fire??
Nice explanation
I worked the arresting gear “engine “ on the Midway in the early 70’s . Long days .
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Interesting, they have a C-130J simulator with a CH-53K cockpit...
There's nothing that explained at present what happens when a pilot misses the landing on aircraft carriers.
they bounce off and go around to try again
"What Happens When a Pilot Misses the Landing on US Aircraft Carriers"
Well??? What DOES happen???
Do you not know?
@@robertamcintyre627 I guess not! Why, did you see what happens when a Pilot Misses the Landing on US Aircraft Carriers?
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The accidents always happen when coming in at deck height.. downwind side if you have to .
Way higher than the effect THEN lower..
very fantastic aircraft carriers innovations
@2:16 ... but we can learn from various other YT videos that every ejection causes serious damage to the spine.
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I was always curious about this before because the landing strip on an aircraft carrier is not as long as the one at the airports.
Great Job GOD BLESS
Your videos are excellent with all the precautions taken to make it extraordinarily clear and informative. Love the American soldiers who are focused when on job. For them business is business. The step ahead in science and technology and its application in defence is astonishing.
I have to say I'm glad I sat thru the video. It was pretty good and informative, but only a little tiny bit about arresting cables on aircraft carriers.
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Randolph AFB had a simulator,
and the controller could toss any runway denial at the pilot
is it true in the 'right stuff' tradition that fighter pilots consider it negative brownie points when accidents happen from strictly mechanical failure?
Bri went from carriers, to ejection seats to reading the beginning of top gun
I was on a DDG running Lifeguard detail for the USS Midway in the Sea of Japan.....a LCdR w 13 years went off the end into the drink.....neither he nor his aircraft were recovered.....a typical CVN averages 4 lost aircraft a year due to accidents....that is $200M a year in equipment loss just for them
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You make it sound like the USN developed steam catapults and arrester cables, not the case, first used by the RN
USN has perfected it and used it FAR more than the RN ever did
"Arresting cable systems were invented by Hugh Robinson and were utilized by Eugene Ely on his first landing on a ship-the armored cruiser USS Pennsylvania, on 18 January 1911."
"Aviation pioneer and Smithsonian Secretary Samuel Langley used a spring-operated catapult to launch his successful flying models and his failed Aerodrome of 1903. On 31 July 1912, Theodore Gordon Ellyson became the first person to be launched from a U.S. Navy catapult system."
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Rubber bands are not dampers. They store energy, they don't dissipate energy
Amazing!!
Good grief. I feel bad for this pilot who obviously got more than a chewing out about his plane. Shit happens. Be kind to one another. Stay safe. Love to all
Amazing and Great
Wow I have never seen what was under the deck.
So the aircraft's massive kinetic energy as it lands and is hooked is transfered to those cables that arrest the aircraft. Can't the energy produced by those cables (as they roll) be harnessed somehow by some kind of turbine connected to said cables? For example, it could be used to power electrical systems, generators, lights, etc. on the ship, or be stored in some massive capacitors to be used when needed?
You know the ships have nuclear reactors, right?
That's just extra weight and one more thing to maintain or break..
Interesting question - You're balancing the energy that could be gained from a mechanism like this vs. the time and parts to maintain the generator, plus, if it breaks, are you unable to land planes? Is there less stability? You really don't want that arresting wire to break. The more parts you add the more possibility you have that the mechanism fails. Since big aircraft carriers have nuclear reactors, I'm guessing the energy you would gain from this mechanism is pretty minimal compared to the output of the nuclear reactor.
Let me try to do the math.
Kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2 so an F14 (40100 lbs) landing at 140mph (62.5m/s) gives 1/2 (18189 kg)(62.5)^2 = 35,500,000 joules, roughly. wikipedia tells me that an aircraft carrier nuclear reactor can provide up to 550 megawatts, ie 550,000,000 joules per second. Assuming you are able to recover half the energy from an aircraft landing, you get 17.25 million joules per landing. 550 million/17.25 million means it would take recovering the energy from 30 aircraft landing to equal 1 second of nuclear reactor output.
If the carrier were powered by diesel, each gallon of diesel give you 142,000,000 joules. Meaning the energy captured by an aircraft landing is about 1/8 a gallon of diesel fuel.
That means, the carrier reactor is producing the equivalent of 3 gallons of diesel fuel PER SECOND, and on a day where you land 100 aircraft, your generator would produce the equivalent of about 12 gallons of diesel fuel total.
For a second I thought, this might be useful in remote places where fuel is hard to come by. Even if you wouldn't need an arresting wire, you could build one solely to capture energy. But if you take the time and energy to build the mechanism, retrofitting aircraft to make it work, parts and maintenance, for each landing to give you 1/8 gallon of diesel fuel, you may as well just bring an extra water bottle of diesel fuel on your flight. So in terms of overall energy use, even though the aircraft does have a lot of kinetic energy, its actually small in terms of overall power consumption of the aircraft or aircraft carrier. Which makes sense, because the fuel that a plane carries has to be energy dense enough to accelerate it up to much higher than the landing speed, and hold it there for several hours. I'm not certain about the math but I think everything is approximately correct.
The idea that a landing only gives you 1/8 gallon of diesel seems low, until I remember that diesel is being used to accelerate 80000 lb semi trucks, and thus a lot of energy is required to keep one rolling at 75mph (already half the landing speed, because the aircraft is decelerating as much as possible before landing. So most of the kinetic energy of an aircraft in flight is already gone because the plane is slowing down to make the landing.) Good question, good insight!
A comment below suggests that the energy is indeed stored and recovered for other systems, so maybe someone else has found a different approach that works! Science is fascinating. There are certainly researchers who are exploring this problem
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That was a great read, James. Educational too. Thank you very much for taking the time to comment with such detail👍
@@jamesyork5444 Thank you for thinking this through for us with a detailed and educative explanation. Much appreciated 👌✌️
Amazing
Does the energy absorbed by the landing mechanism get used by other systems?
Yes. It is used to generate steam which is then stored for use later by catapult systems.
@@Lecmos And shower water, pool table gyros and mess decks.
Well done.
amazing
Thank you
still unclear What Happens When a Pilot Misses the Landing on US Aircraft Carriers
The deck has an angle on it, and counter intuitively they accelerate when landing. This is done so if they miss the cable system they simply take back off and circle back around and try again. If they miss worse than that pilots eject and crews try to salvage the aircraft from the ocean.
They either keep going and try again on landing or if out of control crash in the ocean
@@harrisonfitzpatrick4542 pilots do not accelerate per se, but rather as soon as the main landing gear hits, pilot goes to full afterburner. If pilot catches a wire, plane gets yanked to a stop (despite engines at full power). If pilot fails to catch a wire, plane does accelerate.
@@borysnijinski331 fair enough thank you for the correction
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I'm a fighter jet pilot. When carrier landing. We go full throttle no matter what.. no missed landing it's called, missed one of 3 wires on the carrier. Now if we fall the jet off the ship. Then mishaps
if we fall the jet off the ship? lol
you must not really be a pilot or you would know a standard carrier arresting system has FOUR wires...the targeted wire is #3
Only complaint is that it comes in the original packaging. So everyone knows what it is and could potentially be stolen. Other than that it seems like it’ll be comfortable. I’m currently 5 days away from giving birth and it fits around my belly comfortably. Price wise it’s perfect. Can’t wait to use this with my new little one while chasing my toddler.
Seeing that rail device in action must be a powerful inducement in minimizing assessment failures among trainees.
I cannot see that a career such such as crash test dummy would attract widespread appeal.
Love the idle animation of the NPCs at 5:58
I was a hook runner 65' 66' Tonkin Gulf. I watched this video in hopes of seeing some of the wild stuff I witnessed in those days. Sadly none of that.. The things I've seen... WOW !!!
Having participated in a thousand launches and recovery's I thought the hook runner was the craziest job........... I was a final checker.
Old plane documentary r cool
When they land, the blast the engines to full power Incase they missed the arresting wire so they can take back off.
I noticed that on several occasions, thank you for explaining 😊
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The description of the video asked a question but the content doesn’t answer it.
Thanks you
Uh it didn't cover the topic in topic. I mean I know. But I wanted to see/hear it again, because it's fascinating. And maybe learn something new or see footage I haven't seen before or maybe laugh because the person explains it wrong, etc. But we got nothing at all. Lol
At no point in the video did they explain what happens when pilot misses the landing.
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Guess he falls off the front and the captain must have to slam on the brakes and skid to a stop before he runs over the plane?
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I watched the entire video and I still do not know the answer to the original question "What Happens When a Pilot Misses the Landing on US Aircraft Carriers" ?
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@1:25 what if the plane touchdown short before the hind wheels clear off the 3 cables? wont it be catastrophe?
No, the hook drags the deck and hopefully it connects a wire.. otherwise bolter and go around. Come in too short you hit the rounddown, then it's over.
I would think the number one objective coming in is to make sure all of your plane clears the edge for that reason. Think about it: If there's virtually no penalty for coming in too high, and if you come in too low you risk death; I'd think you would make sure to err on the side of coming in too high.
The British F35 lightning takes off of HMS Queen Elizabeth using the Ski Jump.
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6:37 Nice hair band. I bet he's popular with the other boys. He's probably below decks, if you get my drift.
Pilot just go around and try the landing again!😊 The squadron head will yell at him/her afterward😮
I believe it's called 'you're fired' by the big guys in Washington
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I'm wondering what's happening to pilots' body. Slowing down in a few seconds from such a speed to zero??
In my limited experience I noticed a serious ball scrunch.
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fighter pilots are subjected to 8-10 Gs during maneuvering.....believe it or not, females are more capable of handling this than men
Can someone explain what is less than a few hundred feet!
Asking.
Cheers.
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At 8:32.....what the hell are you talking about, "hundreds of miles an hour". That sled was traveling at more than 6000 mph !!!!! Any living organisms would be converted into something more akin to strawberry jam than something alive !.
They in fact do not throttle down until arrest is apparent.