The thing that baffles me about Barthe is the fact that he has 6 skill with a 25% growth, I understand the lack of speed but why do they gotta do my boy that, knights aren't even know for their low skill, feels so unnecessary, the fact that excluding supports he can only get to 70 hit with the slim lance, the last nail in the coffin for an already bad unit.
Exactly, this is also the biggest problem I have with Wendy. Ok maybe not the biggest lol. But even if you want to use these units, they are so inconsistent. If Barthe was like Oswin from FE7 where he didn't double but hit hard and consistently he would be at least decent.
I used Wendy as a joke in a normal mode run of the game once. Dumped every stat booster I had into her and trained her as much as I could. She became an absolute behemoth and near the end of the game I started using her to solo maps. She’ll always have a special spot in my heart because of that.
Me too! I did a low tier iron man here on the channel where I could only use units, I considered low tier and Wendy was a beast! Her and Bors dominated the game with Barthe helping out triangle attacking every boss. I love units like these and train them a lot.
I considered a lot of other really bad group recruits for this video, like the Thracia chapter 9 squad that somebody mentioned here, but I settled on just these three for the video. It is hyperbolic to say they are the undisputed worst for sure, but given they are all bottom of the tier list for the game and fun to talk about I didn't think it was too bad.
At least with the scrub squad they are mounted, and at least somewhat usable at base and actually have growth and a low level so if they are invested they pull their weight. There is literally no reason to use them pass their join chapter unless you got a lot of characters killed and they have no unique aspects but they still actually can be something Barthe needs supports to up his hit rate so he can actually hit anything and is too big After promotion to be rescue dropped Wendy turns out good start wise but has one of the worst starts in the series in a game with big maps Ogier is actually good if invested in and at least the next few chapters are ace heavy but he is in a incredibly competitive role and class line so and he struggles to do much on join on normal due to his starting chapter being lance heavy
I like how the armors are supposed to be replacements for Bors, as if Bors was a valuable contribution to the army that needs replaced. At least Ogier is good if Dieck just so happened to die, though you should still pretty much always give the first Hero Crest to Rutger.
I completely forgot about him lol. I would not have included him in the group recruit just like I didn't include Lilina but yeah, he is way better than the other units recruited in this chapter.
Nothing makes me hate Barth more than the fact of you give him every opportunity to level up he will cap Hp 1 point shy of the cap. Such a fuckin tease.
Ok panno, you made some valid point, particularly about barthe, but you forgot to take into account a couple things. For starters, barthe is level 9, which means he is 1 away from promo. Among his many good promo gains, barthe gains a whopping +4 to his def, making his defense 18, which is only 2 less than the unit Douglass, the endgame general you get just before the second route split. In addition, barthe has access to +hit supports with other units, and supports are just too good not to use. Not to mention, barthe does gain some control of the weapon triangle with axes, and sure, his hit rates will be shit against a lot of enemies, but why on earth would you use your general like other units when the point is to tank physical hits. Also, if you put your armor knight in range of a magic unit, that is bad play on your part, just like putting a mage in range of a mercenary. The majority of the time, it ain't hard to play around. In conclusion, to be good, barthe needs a singular level and you have a unit that can tank 80% of enemies with little penalty, all in exchange for a knights crest, and let's face it, any cavalier you have by this point isn't going to be doing much that marcus and zealot aren't doing already for free. Not to mention, miledy and Gonzales and echidna are not far off, and if you promote your Cavs anyway, you are stilling running around with 1 unprompted cav who can still contribute, so 2 level 20s isn't that big a difference. Also, the whole movement thing, I have little argument for that. General move is shit. Thanks for reading
I appreciate the comment! Barthe has gotten some love from this comment section which surprises me lol. I do not disagree with the idea that promoting Barthe immediately gives you a solid defensive unit, I just have a hard time seeing who he is better than. I just do not value pure defense and I am not sure where you would need it. You mentioned that by playing optimally Barthe would never be in mage range so that does not matter, but if we are playing optimally with stronger offensive units, they will invalidate strong defensive units like Barthe. If Lance/Allen just kill everything on the map and you are playing well enough not to get them killed, then why would I need Barthe sitting in a choke dealing mediocre damage and missing a bunch. Everything is contextual, if effort is applied Barthe he can be a beast, but in comparison to almost every other unit in the game the effort is not worth it. I think we can agree that Wendy is terrible and yet she was busted on my low tier Iron Man along with Bors. Obviously, she is worse than Barthe, but my point is that any unit can be really strong if training, but many are still terrible in the context of the game. You mentioned not having anything to say about low movement so I will not mention it here either.
Better as a low-tier ironman unit yeah, but tbh Knight Crests are very valuable in that because they could be used on the superior cavalier units like noah, lance, and allen who become Paladins, the best non-flier class in the game. Speed is just king in almost any FE game you go into bcuz it increases avoid, and furthermore it allows you to double and not get doubled. Cavalry like Paladins are just much more valuable than Generals for a Knight Crest purely because Paladins are just less bulkier but superior because of speed and reliable hit. In short, any unit can become decent or good if you REALLY look hard enough. Generals just don’t fit the requirements on a game that REQUIRES you to be fast-paced or get screwed by later reinforcements. Horse Emblem ftw but I do find the armored trio fun in FE6 when they do the funny triangle attack.
@@kobiemartinbose6126 I do agree with most of that, but I think maximizing barthes utility requires that early knights crest, but alen and lance are still perfectly great without it. Damn, wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to get perceval to get a second knight crest? Womp womp
Ogier gets a bit of a pass because if somehow Dieck dies early a run and you want a hero, he's a valid option for the second hero crest that will carry his own weight. Also chapter 8x just REALLY favors Ogier for training
I feel that Ogier works well in the scenario you described, or even one with Dieck alive but he got speed screwed (30% growth after all). At that point its mostly just between whether you want chapter 9 to be used for Training Ogier, Fir, or a bit of both.
Even then you might as well wait until you reach Echidna who joins only 3 chapters later, (4 if you count the gaiden chapter). This way you can save the Hero crest for one of the fighters or Rutger or Fir or even sell it for 10 000 gold.
@@mysteryman9488 Echidna is useful, but falls off pretty quickly, Ogier's growths are better than hers across the board, and by the time he promotes, he'll probably already outclass her as a hero
The funny fact is that besides Wendy, none of them are actually bad, especially in a ironman setting which is how they designed Fe6 unit wise. Lilina is the worst non wendy unit and even then training her isnt hard at all just Boring, High magic and fast supports give her a niche since Light affinity is great. If actually trained she can be a anima and staff bot with insane magic since Anima users are kind of meh in general in fe6 (despite it being such a good weapon type). Ogier is pretty good, people always say he's a worse dieck but thats not bad at all. Hes super easy to train especially on chapter 9 and can be a perfect replacement unit if Dieck is dead or just a good addition to your army, especially after the chapter 7 massacre. His high luck is also a boon since he does not face low % crits. Its mostly a choice if you are giving him the CH9 EXP where then its like he joined with level 14 bases, or not using him. Perfectly fine unit that perfectly showcases Fe6's unit design. Now Barth, the Man the legend on my PFP. Barth is what i consider a knowledge check unit. A unit that seems bad or meh at first but with knowledge on the game they become far better. Now am i claiming he's S tier? Nah, but hes not bad like many claim either. Barths 3 main complaints come in the form of: 1- Low Hit Rates 2- Low Resistance 3- Being Armored Now while he can't really fix his 3rd issue (though i dont believe it to be one) the first 2 are easily fixable or don't matter. Barth's Low hitrates can often easily be circunvented with better weapon usage or his supports, which are some of the fastest in the game, all growing at a +2 rate and being half ice affinity, which gives Hit. I noticed in your footage Barth did not use a Slim Lance, which is a shame since it boasts +10 hit over a Iron lance (closer to +15 with true hit), after chapter 13 he can just move into killer lances which only have -5 hit compared to slim lances. So a 55 Hit can go to 65 to a 75 (2 C supports/ 1 B support) (true hit around 84 iirc). On the second point Low Res doesnt matter because Fe6 has next to no enemy mages especially compared to other Fe's, and when there are mages they are often bundled in certain maps (16, 16x, 17B north). For example 21 has exactly 5 magic enemies and 107 WYVERNS, so defense is King. And as it turns out Barth can steamroll through maps with his insane defense especially post promo. I once tested it and a insta promoted barth can actually solo the western isle maps, even doubling at base the enemy fighters. Sacae is also another example as damage from the myrms and the generic nomads hovers from 18 to 22 only going up to 26/27 with the promoted ones which means a Barth with that amount of Defense is untouchable (Sacae mages are garbo too and almost dont even exist). TL:DR- Barth is a Miledy that trades off flight for More defense and can cheese several of the Maps on hard if you know what you are doing, however hes at his worst when he joins giving a awful first impression. Wendy just sucks Lmaooo
I appreciate the comment! I just do not see what you are talking about here with Barthe. He is infinitely worse than Lance and Allen so there better be a really good reason to use a knight's crest on him. But even a unit like Noah early promoted can dominate the western isles if that's really what you are looking for. You mention him being able to solo chapters, and I get that an early promotion can probably dominate the isles for a while, but he can't double consistently, and his damage is mediocre at best. Also, again Lance, Allen, Noah hell even Zealot and Marcus can do way better on the isles because they can use swords and are much better classes. Then you mention Sacae, and I would agree with defense making units deals very little to know damage there, Douglas is a very comparable unit and he has very niche uses in Sacae for that very reason. But it's very niche, being able to take hits is just not that useful if you can deal damage in return. Then I read your TLDR. Look if you are not trolling than I apologize but that can't be real. I guess technically what you say is true, Barthe does have better defense and cannot fly. But you make it sound like that's a reasonable tradeoff. Miledy is the best unit in the entire game, Barthe has some very niche uses if you early promote him.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Im not trolling though, Stat wise Barth is similar to Miledy however lacking flight (and speed should have mentioned that) for More defense. What makes Miledy Top 3 unit wise is exactly her flight which only 4 other units have in the game, 2 of them joining after her and 2 others having issues (Shanna needing to be trained which can lead to earlt deaths and Thea who has laughable bases even with HM bonuses). Furthermore on the Knights crest argument, it is true that Allen and Lance are far better units than Barth, but they dont benefit as much from a Promotion as Barth does. Paladin Promo bonuses are Meh and their Axe access isnt needed, so unless their level is literally capped they don't benefit much from their promo. Meanwhile Generals get +4 Defense and +3 All around while buffing their move by 25% and giving them Axe access for neutral Weapon Triangle on the west isles and 80% Positive weapon triangle after chapter 14. The defense part is key to their snowballing, its like How Brom and Gatrie work in Fe9 Maniac mode, and Barths Promotion sets him at 18 defense minimum, 24 Maximum. Am i saying that you should promote barth over those 2? No Lmao, but its not as one sided as people think of a choice. Also in ironman formats its common for the cavs or 1 of them atleast to die in the first 7 chapters which opens up the knight crest slots, same case with Fighters Crest. Worst case scenario Barth gets the chapter 16 Secret shop crest which still lets him wreack havoc on Sacae. Barth aint a Top 10 unit though that's for sure.
@@oof776 I can see where you are coming from, I am sure if you do early promote him, he can be pretty strong during certain portions of the game, but I am just not sure who he's better than. Other than the obvious Sophia and Wendy. Any unit can be really strong if given enough love, even Sophia and Wendy, but in the context of the game they are terrible. I am not saying if you choose to use Barthe and put effort into him he will be useless, far from it. But is that effort worth it? IS it better than effort spent elsewhere? I would argue not.
Barth is bad and irrelevant in optimal gameplay however he is totally viable in a draft or iron man. He was definitely made with the idea of getting him one level then insta-promoting as general bonuses are quite good. The real issue is that the knight crest is heavily desired and it is hard to justify using it on him over Lance, Allen or even Noah. The other issue is that his massive con means he cannot really be rescued dropped after promo. This hurts because Fe6 maps are big and some have tight time frames to achieve gaiden chapters or side objectives. Of course on iron man and draft side objectives are often less important.
@oof776 You left out the best part of the paladin promotion, the extra movement. The upgrade from 6 to 7 move for paladins is more impactful that a Stat increase for the tactical options it opens up on maps. Plus the knight promo bonuses aren't even that much higher than the cavaliers. Knights get 1 more hp, speed, and defense, and 2 more strength. That's nice but it doesn't make up for knights low move or Barth's low growths
These guys unironically boost Lilina’s worth because she’s literally the ONLY unit you get in ch8 worth building in ch8x. If they were like cavaliers instead it’d be a good bit harder to consider her. But when you get 2 chapters to build her in a row with literally no one worth doing that prior as everyone else would have had the arena it makes it very easy to raise a mage with 0 competition.
I've found it's not that difficult to raise Lillina in 8 and 8x to the point where she can at least start contributing in 9 and start snowballing with her crazy magic growth.
@@RobotGuy405 BIG AGREE While i dont consider her a hidden gem unit she is a pretty serviciable unit That has the same boon as Fir ah decentish units class and bases that is on a game that favors its weapon. AND JUST HAPPENS to be on the perfect spot for babying on a perfectly efficient and turn effective way. While not as dodgy as fir Having several stationary 1 range enemies on 8x is not too diferent to having a swordie unit on a forest close to a pirate fortress. And again anima is quite good on FE6
Seems like everyone forgets that you get 2 Cavaliers in Ch 7, not just another Marcus. Even those two are hard to justify a Knight Crest for when the Christmas Cavs exist. That only goes double for Barthe and Wendy!
Might be a mildly hot take but I would argue that the Sophia/Cecilia recruitment is worse when regarding their full context: Barthe and Wendy are bad units, for sure, and Ogier isn't exactly the cream of the crop but you're never forced to accommodate for them- You can just leave them where they join and have that be the end of it: And at the very least, at least on Normal mode, Barthe and Ogier can sort-of contribute with chipping random joes (I would struggle to call Wendy killing herself on the first enemy she initiates against as a contribution)- They're not good at it, but it's something that they can do, and a new player- or perhaps someone who lost their Dieck or Bors early on and wound up liking either unit might find reason to make room in their lineup for one of the pair- Or both! And Wendy's great for those who like intentionally using bad units... or if you hate yourself. Or if you're a masochist. Or all of the above. Fast forward to Ch14, and the game gives you two free units (Two's still a group): One of which is a middling mage who in theory would be pretty solid at taking out the several wyverns present in the map... If it wasn't a desert map that dumpstered her MOV and in fact left her pretty vulnerable to them unless you stay on-top of your game, alongside a serious contender for the worst unit in the series who is necessary baggage for the true ending (even if accommodating for them in this regard isn't particularly difficult, it's still extra busywork you have to go out of your way for). While Sophia may have the same bad unit allure as Wendy that's really the only W she can take here. Ch8's recruitments may be bad, but at least 2/3 of them are vaguely functional units for their join time- Even if Barthe admittedly really stretches the meaning of "functional"- and are usable in their joining chapter (on Normal mode, anyway.) Ch14 saddles you with two seriously gimped units- One of which being a relatively alright unit with perhaps the worst joining situation in the series; and the other perhaps being the worst unit in the series- neither of which can reliably contribute, if at all in Sophia's case, during that chapter. Early suck is better than later suck; at least early suck contends with a relatively lower power level and has reasonable time to develop into sucking slightly less
I think that Cecilia is a high tier unit so for me it's hard to say that recruit is worse as I think both Barthe and Oujay are low to bottom tier units. I use Cecilia in many chapters on almost every playthrough, offensively she is pretty mediocre, but a high movement heal bot that does not require a portion item is really good. I also do not really care about her being a bit awkward on her join chapter, she is freely used they're with no deployment penalty and most units have that movement issue on that chapter. I agree about early suck is better than late suck but for me Cecilia very much does not suck. I appreciate the comment and hope this helped explain my perspective!
@@pannolinobambino1015 I don't disagree that Cecilia is a significantly better unit than any of Barthe/Ogier/Wendy/Sophia- She's definitely on the upper half, probably upper third of the cast just on the basis of having highly mobile staff utility- a significant edge over the assortment of bad to "decent-but-not-(Melady, Perceval, Rutger)" combat units you get throughout much of the game. I didn't mean to imply that Cecilia was that bad- just that her joining situation makes her feel significantly worse than she is. I might not have made this as clear in my original message, but I was basing a lot of this on first impressions- because I believe your first impressions on a unit are always going to be the most important: And in that sense, while Barthe's group don't have a super strong first impression, I would still say that the first impression of Ch14's recruitments feel a lot worse at the time (Or in the case of Sophia forever (lol)) I do definitely see where you're coming from, and I think it's also a valid choice for the worst recruitment in FE6 (I can hardly think of anyone who would be happy to get one non-Oswin GBA armour, let alone two), I just think that the circumstances of Ch14 makes it feel a lot worse, even if it might not be quite as bad on an objective basis.
All I see is a Javelin, a Steel Lance, and an Armorslayer. And the LTC goblin sees three excellent sacrifices for the rescue death exploit. Since the three suck they won't be missed when they die, but the catch is that they saved a turn, therefore they're not completely useless.
I love oujay he was my armads user in my fe6 run. Not sure why but I thought it would be so funny to grind his axe rank to S. Axe units suck in that game so it wasn't even that unoptimal
I actually had Oujay carry one of my FE6 iron mans that nearly died in chapter 7 and he used my Armads in the end game as well! Oujay is Armads is the way lol.
The fact that I'm planning on using my 3 knights crests on my first playthrough of FE6 on Wendy, Barthe and Bors has me coming to terms with myself being a complete masochist.
Haha yeah, it's a bit easier if you train Lance and Allen instead. That being said Wendy and Bors can be beasts if you put in the effort and you get to triangle attack if you train all three which is amazing.
That recruit is awful, at first I was going to make the video about a few bad group recruits and that was one of them but I narrowed it down to just talking about one. I think this FE6 recruit is really bad and interesting to talk about but the Wolfgaurd may be worse.
I remember when I asked someone what is even the reason for Matthis from FE 1/3/11/12 and someone said "as a replacement unit in case Cain and Abel die" but not only is he difficult to recruit (you have to use Rena who her dear brother will gladly kill) you also get Hardin literally the next chapter so he's basically just a troll unit. But that answer I feel justifies the FE6 crew. If Dieck dies, Ogier is your only mercenary for awhile (it'll take quite a few chapters to get a hero pre-promote and even then it's difficult to actually get her). Then there's the armor knights which are usually the jeigan of classes. If you need them that means your opting for a more slower, more defensive playthrough one where the enemies come to you and you slowly whittle them away. In that case those two are good enough walls to get the job done. Your main units probably haven't reached where they are at so you can feed them the remaining enemies on the map. Once leveled Barth is a straight-forward wall while Wendy is the first in the long line of Res-Knights (which makes people ask why not just Peg Knights, but that's the point). So they're units that are imply a player at a very low point (and since the previous chapter was the harder ones so it's not difficult to imagine Dieck, your horsies, and your fliers dying) and will be a bit more appreciated
I'm always shocked when people say Lilina is a bad unit. She and Gonzalez hard carried me in my second run through of the game, and were excellent the first time around. I thought her growths must've been insane because she popped off. This goes to show that personal experience means nothing.
I KNOW YA'LL AIN'T OUT HERE TALKIN' SHIT ABOUT MY GIRL WENDY I mean yeah she sucks BUT she's so fun to use once she starts leveling up. Her and Lillina were my super-duo
You should check out fe5 chapter 9, there's a group recruitment there with 2 cavs that are worse in every way possible compared to your chapter 1 cav, an average bow knight and a worse version of that bow knight lol
Thats a really good one, I had considered that recruit, but I feel like Selphina is kind of decent. Also, I thought the recruit I went with had more interesting units to talk about. I also considered Radd and Ceaser in their games, and the Crimean knights in Radiant Dawn. But yeah, those four are really awful for sure.
Eh Sophia at a least has good enough growths where if you do train her she can be a bit of a monster. Still not worth training really but she's fun in a really awful way Wendy is just that but less fun
Ogier really turns amazing more reliably than Dieck, but he feels way worse at base, yeah... I think if Ch.8 had more armored knights, Ogier could have shined with his weapon, Armorslayer. To be fair, everyone who is at C in Swords shines with Armorslayer, but it would have made Ogier's joining chapter an amazing chapter for his training. Just a few speed points let him gain EXP extremely fast in the Western Isles. Even starts setting up kills for others at that point. Mine in my latest run capped all of his offensive stats, with only a Body Ring as stat booster. He will never do that often, but he comes close, except for STR. Decent candidate for Hero Crest. Too bad being a decent candidate won't cut it due to Rutger Dieck, and potentially Lot if you train him up, but he feels really, really good in Hero 100% of the time, compared to Dieck's 66%(my rough estimate)
Ogier is good, though. He's not made of tissue paper like Lilina, has only 1 less point in speed than Dieck at base level, with a better growth rate and it's very easy to train him in the next chapters, with all the pirates. I've trained both of them and Ogier always ended up being faster and more efficient at one-rounding upon promotion.
They didn't even have to suicide with good timing, too lol. Any of them can just block all of the reinforcements coming from behind, which is a massively funny situation.
Would you really say it's worse than the group of Midia/Boah/Dolph/Macellan/Thomas from the original FE1? I feel like nothing beats having to manage a group of horrible units that have no weapons that you literally have to spend a Warp for to keep them alive lmao
For me that recruit is saved by Boah being pretty nuts in OG FE1 and Midia being kind of ok. I was originally going to talk about a bunch of terrible group recruits, but I ended up just focusing on this one, that group recruit was one I was considering.
Barthe can be a strong unit but is still considered bad in the context of the game. His class is his biggest downside unfortunately. Still though he can be really useful if you invest and fun to use.
Oh there's much worst than those three and that worst has the guts to call himself a cavalier and his name is Noah. Yes he's the worst in my book. Training him in combat wether it's on the field or arena is a huge waste of time. Everytime he levels up, his stat points goes anywhere than attack, agility and defense. There was one time when I grind Noah in the arena up-to 5 levels and all of his stat points went to only vitality and magic resistance. It was only then I realize that Noah is the only one I wouldn't regret getting killed.
To be clear, barthe is perfectly fine. He's still bottom of the tier list, but it's very easy to rescue drop barthe anywhere with no weapons and choke a point. In most runs, You will find more use out of barthe than you will from oujay, simply by having stats at base. If you are on a run where, say you lost all three of dieck, rutger, and Noah (stopping you from getting fir), and also didn't train up the axe bros or lost them, then yeah oujay is a decent option to training the western isles - but in every other situation you never want to waste a hero crest on him, and without promotion there is no point to using him. In fact, without promotion I would argue he is inferior to Chad and astolfo at combat, who get an extra point of move, with Chad having some of the best growths in the game and consistently doubling, and astol having better bases and somewhat decent bulk. In comparison, barthe will have utility simply by being plopped down somewhere, unpromoted with no weapons. In a player phase heavy game, this is very useful - and with how high deployment slots in fe6 are, there is a decently realistic chance that you'll have the opportunity to deploy barthe midgame without losing out on any important units. As such, I argue that barthe is superior to oujay. Oujay may have more longevity, but the situations in which he would be deployed and promoted are far too niche, and having longevity in fe6 generally isn't important due to how many strong units you recieve mid to late game. Barthe provides you with immediate utility, and doesn't compete with any good units due to not needing promotion to enable it.
I could see Barthe being better than Oujay, I do usually prefer units that give immediate impact and while Barthe has more impact than Oujay its pretty minor. I would still rank Oujay above him, but I think it's reasonable to have them switched.
A lot of people have commented this lol. For me Sophia is better because of class, but they are both bottom 2 and I think either as last place is reasonable.
Meanwhile, BlazingKnight showed everyone how to stream roll a good amount of the game and the Zephiel fight with Wendy. XD she’s easily an Est Archetype, but I wouldn’t say she’s the worst character in the game.
I have a hard mode iron man playthrough on the channel where I dominate the game with the three knights, so I am aware of their potential. Wendy is still at least top 2 worst units in the game though.
Whenever I get around to playing FE6 for the first time, Ive promised myself that I WILL use ALL the armor knights. Am I going to hate myself? Probably! But itll be really funny!
@@pannolinobambino1015 yeah, the triangle attack is the main reason I decided to use them all, the idea of a non-flier triangle attack goes extremely hard
Started playing fe 1 a couple days ago and that game has so many shitty group recruits. But I guess that's the point since the game was designed for losing units on the way.
FE1 is also a lot easier without a hard mode so I think almost any unit is usable and not that difficult to train. But I do agree, I almost talked about the Radd/Ceaser or chapter 12. Maybe in another video.
I wouldn't say Knights are strictly bad in GBA FE. Oswin in FE7 and Gilliam in FE8 are both worth using. Oswin probably more than Gilliam, but both are valuable. FE6 Knights though...yeah they're hot garbage.
I am not as high on Gilliam, but Oswin is definitely an exception for me. He is a beast and can scale really well in that game. I think Gilliam can easily be a beast as well, but Sacred Stones has so many busted early units, I think he is pretty mid. Still way better than the FE6 knights for sure.
@@pannolinobambino1015 that's true I mean we have to remember that Gilliam is in the same game as Seth. Everyone is overshadowed by Seth though so can't really hold that against Gilliam. But yeah, Oswin is awesome! I can't imagine playing FE7 without using Oswin.
@@connormcnulty6377 I think Wendy is worse because of her class, at least Sophia can hit hard and heal on promotion. But I don't think it's wrong to think Sophia is worse.
Got this video recommend to me and my god these comments makes me realize how bad casual FE players are or they dont play the hardest difficultly and not understand why the top tiers ARE top tiers
Such a dumb comment as this simplifies unit discussion into Top tiers and non top tiers. Unit ratings arent as simple as Has a mount or gets outclassed because FE is designed in a way where all units have their use depending on your prior actions, due to the nature of Ironmanning. In a run where one resets for every death, Noah will never really have a use but most cases where people lose Allen or Lance or both in the first 7 maps, noah then becomes a far better unit in the context of that run. It's simple supply and Demand.
@@oof776 I don't understand your point here, you state that Noah is useless if you have Lance/Allen which clearly means you understand they are the better units but there are people who don't understand that. Nobody is saying its only top tiers and low tiers if we did there would be no nuance to the video, and I would have just said these three units are not top tiers, so they don't matter.
@@pannolinobambino1015 I merely parroted what most people say about Noah when it comes to Allan and Lance, which applies to several units in Fe6 when it comes to public perception of them. I don't actually believe Noah to be useless Even if you have Allen and Lance, but most people that play Fe6 with Resets will just treat it as so. It was mainly a point about how that Viewpoint completely shifts if you lack Allen or Lance and you get Noah. It's not that Noah actually becomes useless if you have the other 2 cavs, it's a perception issue, which leads to Fe6 unit discussion being perceived vastly different depending on playstyle as many people still have misconceptions from the days they just watched Mekkah tier lists made by LTC'ers.
@@oof776 But the tier lists stay the same no matter how you play the games. It may be easier to use a unit like Oujay in low difficulties or if you are playing much slower and resetting but that does not make him better than Rutger. Marcus is still more efficient than any other unit for a big portion of the game whether you choose to use him or not. It's not that tier lists change depending on how you play, it's that they matter less. The best gun in an online fps remains that way no matter the skill level, but if you are playing unranked, like easy mode, it becomes less important to use and one might play the game for hours and have no clue what the "best" gun truly is. It's just that Fire Emblem is not multiplayer and even on its hardest difficulties you can still get away with nearly anything. It is harsh to say most Fire Emblem players are bad at the games but it's also true, because the games don't require you to be that good. If you want to argue the usefulness of a tier list considering what I have just said I get it. But it seems like you understand the tier list and how it functions and still have a problem which I do not understand.
revelations ch 17 scrub squad is far worse on turn 2 xander and leo join on turn 3 their retainers join is is entirely too late for peri to be useful, her main issue of no flying classes is at its worst in the coming maps with tons of silly floating island maps, she will be worse than silas, xander, or sophie in everything but resistance, her resistance is mediocre and a kinshi knight would do her job as a mage killer far better laslow comes too late as a rally bot and shigure likely already knows rally speed and potentially inherited other rallies, while a second rally bot is nice i think subaki does this better as his early game combat is servicable enough to justify him hitting lv 5 falcon odin is outright worthless and as both a dark mage and samurai he does nothing without absurd favoritism niles is the best unit out of the scrub squad solely because he can capture, every chapter after he joins is vallite so he can only capture in paralogues however orochi does his job but far better
I would disagree on Peri but Mostly Laslow, Rally bot or not, Laslow still comes with the same bases as a level 18 trained Saizo so he's always a useful combat unit right from the start, especially since he gets master ninja reclass at base. Even better in a ironman setting where you might need units to fill up slots of other units who died.
I will admit my FE knowledge falls off a cliff after FE12, so you are probably right here. I was kind of waiting for someone to call out a worse recruit in a newer FE game lol.
@@pannolinobambino1015 at least you get Wendy sooner, she has better base stats, you're not forced to keep her alive for a gaiden chapter and she has access to triangle attack though.
I genuinely don't get that hate Barth receives. He joins at level 9, meaning that he's one level away from early promotion if needed, plus the units in his join chapter are very easy for him to grind EXP on. He's definitely more of a snowball unit, but if actually used, he can have fairly decent hit rates during the western isles and can even double at certain points. The mage argument is also a fairly terrible one, as there is a grand total of 112-118 mages depending on route, with Illia having 112 and Sacae having 117 both including gaidens, for context chapter 21 has 109 wyverns in just that chapter alone. in fact FE6 has the lowest number of enemy mages in the entire series. Knight honestly isn't as bad of a class as the elitists tell people, while it goes up to taste, I'd honestly go as far to say Cavalier is the worst in the series, as most of the time they die in 2-3 hits unless you over level them to an extreme degree, Knights don't need that, they survive on their own. (in before "yeah because they have no move" replies, which honestly I'll take a slow unit over one that has to be babied 24/7 any day of the millennia), another thing is that most generics don't reach over 20-23 damage, so Barth's base 14 def basically halves all enemy damage right from the start. He's by no means the "best unit in the series" like I have jokes him to be, but to say he's a bad unit is a little disingenuous to his true strengths and powers. Definently a great quality ironman unit, and an overall quality unit for those who wanna mix it up from the usual Miliedy/Percival sweep most people do in casual runs
You are being way too results oriented here and many people are like that. A "bad" unit is not a useless one, far from it. If you put effort into Barthe he is a beast for sure but is he better than almost any other unit in the game? No. The main strength of Barthe is that he comes at a good level and can be promoted immediately, but even so he is worse than all 4 cavaliers you have already recruited who all want that crest. You mention as well that Barthe is great for people that want to "change up" using really good units like Melidy and Percival and while I totally agree and love to use a wide variety of units it doesn't make him good, and you understand that. Good and bad are contextual, tier lists do not matter that much because Fire Emblem are single player games and not that hard even on the hardest difficulties, but these contextual hierarchies exist nonetheless. Barthe is one of the worst units in the game because he is less efficient than almost every other unit and provides very little if not early promoted, and yet he can still be extremely strong on a playthrough if this effort is applied to him. This is what I mean about being results oriented.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Almost every unit is results oriented, even the godawful Cavalier class. Obvious exeptions include the Jeigans and Athos Effects. While I do agree he may struggle more than others, especially if you don't actually use him on his join map and the Gaiden, but that hardly makes him bad, as even a base Barth can hold his own and reliably kill past the western isles. Thats more than most units in the entire series can even say. (Honestly probably just a praise of the Knight class in general) Out of the 4 cavs only one is really ever worthy, Since the javelin is usually best kept on Allen, since he has usually higher strength and defence, in part screwing over Lance. Being a Cavalier however he usually you can count the amount of hits he can take before dying on one hand. Treck has fairly underwelming base stats for his join time, Rivaling Roy in most cases. And Noah has no specialty, which in hard FE6 is a death sentance since there isn't a role he can fill in aiding survivability. And since Allen joins in Chapter 1 and has to face Chapter 7 at some point, there's a fairly decent chance that he might be dead, if you take the time and care, (in which by that point in the chapter you can) feeding almost every kill to Barth before western isles means you'll have a barth with a decent number of levels before promotion gains in which on average those stats will carry him for basically the rest of the game.
@@Prodawg I will be honest and say there is a lot in this comment that does not make sense to me. Results oriented is a way of thinking about things for humans, so units cannot be results oriented as you say. Not sure what you think that means. You also seem to hate the cav class which I do not understand. I don't really understand what you mean about only one cav being "worthy" as both Lance and Allen can be trained and promoted and will be superior to Barthe. And I really don't understand what you mean about the javelin being best on Allen, you can buy javelins and equip all your cavs with them. They are not even that good in this game.
You can either download a translated rom of Fire Emblem 6 or download a normal rom and the patch and then do it manually. I can help out a little more if you have more questions.
I’d argue shadow dragon gives you some worse groups of units in the first game a group of 5 mounted units join you but only Hardin is actually good the rest exist to highlight how much stronger he is. Or chapter 12 five units in prison all under leveled except two prepremotes who are average at best. Thracia 776 also has some mediocre teams but I wouldn’t count them cause any of them can be good through use of skill scrolls and growth scrolls
Fun fact Dolph has better personal bases in every stat compared to Astram in fe11, Macellan too but he loses out in 2 stats. Asstram sucks but dolph is underrated in H5 ironmans as a replacement.
@@oof776 what are you doing here you have a Barth video to still make. I’m aware Dolph is afine knight it just joining at level 4 at a point when all your character are 12-15 is annoying though also the gap I between those two are bigger than you think sure Astarm has the same strength and luck as Dolph but outside of defense Astram stats are all higher plus he has a 50% strength as opposed to Dolph 30%. Not to mention Astram is close to being able to wield the Mercurius and joins with a silver sword and the ability to double already putting his damage high above Dolph’s. Don’t get me wrong Dolph hold more potential then Draug more often than not, but you are highly downplaying Astram’s abilities
I'm talking about their Personal bases not taking in account class. Do a @oifey fe11 dolph personal, astram personal If you still have oifey bot and you will see what i mean. TL:DR: 0% growths insta promoted Dolph into hero has better or equal bases than astram in every stat. But yeah Astrams main benefit is just coming prepromoted compared to dolph who needs a master seal. Also mercurius is kind of a non argument when it gets overshadowed by forged irons and comes later at a point where other units (especially swordmasters) can reach A rank for it. Also Barth video will come out Soon(tm).
In the original iteration of the video, I was going to go over some terrible group recruits and talk about those two moments and the Radd/Ceaser recruit, but I ended up just talking about these three. To be fair chapter 12 does feature Boah, who is actually really strong in FE1. But yeah, there are many other group recruits that are terrible.
Vyland and Roshea might suck as units in Shadow Dragon, but Wolf and Sedgar put in work once they get a few levels, though Hard 5 is still Hard 5 so that can be a little tricky.
i'm playing thracia right now and i must say the selphina group recruitment is so ass, like she is the best part of her squad because of her high bowrank, but man these 4 suck
I totally agree, my first idea for the video was the talk about a bunch of group recruit but I changed it to just these three. That recruit is absolute ass though lol.
I almost mentioned this in the video lol. I think Wendy is worse than Sophia but it's up for debate. For the purposes of the video, I decided to just say she was.
@@pannolinobambino1015 so basically Barthe only gets saved from being top 2 worst units in your opinion as well because of just how bad Wendy and Sophia are
@@pannolinobambino1015 Wendy has one advantage over Sophia. Wendy comes earlier, so if you WANT to train her, you have more time to do so... if you want to suffer through that.
@@Blazieth That is true! I like Sophia's class much more and she can deal much more damage on recruit, which is why I put her ahead of Wendy, but you are valid in your earlier recruit argument. I think as long as they are the bottom two its ok.
Not true all the characters fill a unique role on your team any of them are really good. if you’re just mad cause the game is too hard that’s on you. I can’t name a single unit other than Buggi who is terrible and Buggi was meant to be a joke
The thing that baffles me about Barthe is the fact that he has 6 skill with a 25% growth, I understand the lack of speed but why do they gotta do my boy that, knights aren't even know for their low skill, feels so unnecessary, the fact that excluding supports he can only get to 70 hit with the slim lance, the last nail in the coffin for an already bad unit.
Exactly, this is also the biggest problem I have with Wendy. Ok maybe not the biggest lol. But even if you want to use these units, they are so inconsistent. If Barthe was like Oswin from FE7 where he didn't double but hit hard and consistently he would be at least decent.
It fucking irritates me to no end that FE6 has really really mediocre growth-rates.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Please turn on 2 animations
I used Wendy as a joke in a normal mode run of the game once. Dumped every stat booster I had into her and trained her as much as I could. She became an absolute behemoth and near the end of the game I started using her to solo maps. She’ll always have a special spot in my heart because of that.
Me too! I did a low tier iron man here on the channel where I could only use units, I considered low tier and Wendy was a beast! Her and Bors dominated the game with Barthe helping out triangle attacking every boss. I love units like these and train them a lot.
You mean GWENDOLYN, right?
@@blackdragoncyrus no I mean Wendy actually, shut up nerd
@@blackdragoncyrus Yes
Any unit is good if you pump them full of stat boosters and feed all the xp to them
FE12's Chapter 19 Wolfguard: Allow us to introduce ourselves
FE12's Sable Order remnants: Allow us to introduce ourselves
Especially since they're all ANNOYING to recruit going back and forth across the map several times just isn't fun
This is a wild statement when New Mystery of the Emblem gives mediocre to bad recruit groups like it’s a normal sunday morning
or the scrub squad on thracia 776 chapter 9
yea fair but they're just hangin out... the chapter 8 shit squad is expected to actually do stuff until you get to them
I considered a lot of other really bad group recruits for this video, like the Thracia chapter 9 squad that somebody mentioned here, but I settled on just these three for the video. It is hyperbolic to say they are the undisputed worst for sure, but given they are all bottom of the tier list for the game and fun to talk about I didn't think it was too bad.
At least with the scrub squad they are mounted, and at least somewhat usable at base and actually have growth and a low level so if they are invested they pull their weight. There is literally no reason to use them pass their join chapter unless you got a lot of characters killed and they have no unique aspects but they still actually can be something
Barthe needs supports to up his hit rate so he can actually hit anything and is too big After promotion to be rescue dropped
Wendy turns out good start wise but has one of the worst starts in the series in a game with big maps
Ogier is actually good if invested in and at least the next few chapters are ace heavy but he is in a incredibly competitive role and class line so and he struggles to do much on join on normal due to his starting chapter being lance heavy
That's Kaga era FE for you.
I like how the armors are supposed to be replacements for Bors, as if Bors was a valuable contribution to the army that needs replaced. At least Ogier is good if Dieck just so happened to die, though you should still pretty much always give the first Hero Crest to Rutger.
Yeah, FE6 is very bloated with characters which I love for replay ability, but many of them are pretty useless.
Astolfo recruitment this chapter tho 🔥🔥🔥
I completely forgot about him lol. I would not have included him in the group recruit just like I didn't include Lilina but yeah, he is way better than the other units recruited in this chapter.
Nothing makes me hate Barth more than the fact of you give him every opportunity to level up he will cap Hp 1 point shy of the cap. Such a fuckin tease.
Haha I never noticed that, somebody thought they were really funny with that one.
Hell yeah, Armorslayer, all my homies love Armorslayer
Armorslayers are amazing this game for sure.
At least being the Chad of Trash Mountain gives Oujay a little flavor lol.
Barthe and Wendy are just insulting
Ok panno, you made some valid point, particularly about barthe, but you forgot to take into account a couple things. For starters, barthe is level 9, which means he is 1 away from promo. Among his many good promo gains, barthe gains a whopping +4 to his def, making his defense 18, which is only 2 less than the unit Douglass, the endgame general you get just before the second route split. In addition, barthe has access to +hit supports with other units, and supports are just too good not to use. Not to mention, barthe does gain some control of the weapon triangle with axes, and sure, his hit rates will be shit against a lot of enemies, but why on earth would you use your general like other units when the point is to tank physical hits. Also, if you put your armor knight in range of a magic unit, that is bad play on your part, just like putting a mage in range of a mercenary. The majority of the time, it ain't hard to play around. In conclusion, to be good, barthe needs a singular level and you have a unit that can tank 80% of enemies with little penalty, all in exchange for a knights crest, and let's face it, any cavalier you have by this point isn't going to be doing much that marcus and zealot aren't doing already for free. Not to mention, miledy and Gonzales and echidna are not far off, and if you promote your Cavs anyway, you are stilling running around with 1 unprompted cav who can still contribute, so 2 level 20s isn't that big a difference. Also, the whole movement thing, I have little argument for that. General move is shit. Thanks for reading
I appreciate the comment! Barthe has gotten some love from this comment section which surprises me lol. I do not disagree with the idea that promoting Barthe immediately gives you a solid defensive unit, I just have a hard time seeing who he is better than. I just do not value pure defense and I am not sure where you would need it. You mentioned that by playing optimally Barthe would never be in mage range so that does not matter, but if we are playing optimally with stronger offensive units, they will invalidate strong defensive units like Barthe. If Lance/Allen just kill everything on the map and you are playing well enough not to get them killed, then why would I need Barthe sitting in a choke dealing mediocre damage and missing a bunch. Everything is contextual, if effort is applied Barthe he can be a beast, but in comparison to almost every other unit in the game the effort is not worth it. I think we can agree that Wendy is terrible and yet she was busted on my low tier Iron Man along with Bors. Obviously, she is worse than Barthe, but my point is that any unit can be really strong if training, but many are still terrible in the context of the game. You mentioned not having anything to say about low movement so I will not mention it here either.
@@pannolinobambino1015 too true, valid points all around
Barthe and bors would definitely be viewed more favorably if they weren't competing against 2 of the best units in the game for a promo item
Better as a low-tier ironman unit yeah, but tbh Knight Crests are very valuable in that because they could be used on the superior cavalier units like noah, lance, and allen who become Paladins, the best non-flier class in the game. Speed is just king in almost any FE game you go into bcuz it increases avoid, and furthermore it allows you to double and not get doubled. Cavalry like Paladins are just much more valuable than Generals for a Knight Crest purely because Paladins are just less bulkier but superior because of speed and reliable hit. In short, any unit can become decent or good if you REALLY look hard enough. Generals just don’t fit the requirements on a game that REQUIRES you to be fast-paced or get screwed by later reinforcements. Horse Emblem ftw but I do find the armored trio fun in FE6 when they do the funny triangle attack.
@@kobiemartinbose6126 I do agree with most of that, but I think maximizing barthes utility requires that early knights crest, but alen and lance are still perfectly great without it. Damn, wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to get perceval to get a second knight crest? Womp womp
Ogier gets a bit of a pass because if somehow Dieck dies early a run and you want a hero, he's a valid option for the second hero crest that will carry his own weight. Also chapter 8x just REALLY favors Ogier for training
I feel that Ogier works well in the scenario you described, or even one with Dieck alive but he got speed screwed (30% growth after all). At that point its mostly just between whether you want chapter 9 to be used for Training Ogier, Fir, or a bit of both.
Even then you might as well wait until you reach Echidna who joins only 3 chapters later, (4 if you count the gaiden chapter). This way you can save the Hero crest for one of the fighters or Rutger or Fir or even sell it for 10 000 gold.
@@mysteryman9488 I said second because Rutger should already have the first, no reason to save for someone who already has it
@@valarmis Then you'll already have a hero by the time you get a second hero crest
@@mysteryman9488 Echidna is useful, but falls off pretty quickly, Ogier's growths are better than hers across the board, and by the time he promotes, he'll probably already outclass her as a hero
The funny fact is that besides Wendy, none of them are actually bad, especially in a ironman setting which is how they designed Fe6 unit wise.
Lilina is the worst non wendy unit and even then training her isnt hard at all just Boring, High magic and fast supports give her a niche since Light affinity is great. If actually trained she can be a anima and staff bot with insane magic since Anima users are kind of meh in general in fe6 (despite it being such a good weapon type).
Ogier is pretty good, people always say he's a worse dieck but thats not bad at all. Hes super easy to train especially on chapter 9 and can be a perfect replacement unit if Dieck is dead or just a good addition to your army, especially after the chapter 7 massacre. His high luck is also a boon since he does not face low % crits. Its mostly a choice if you are giving him the CH9 EXP where then its like he joined with level 14 bases, or not using him. Perfectly fine unit that perfectly showcases Fe6's unit design.
Now Barth, the Man the legend on my PFP. Barth is what i consider a knowledge check unit. A unit that seems bad or meh at first but with knowledge on the game they become far better.
Now am i claiming he's S tier? Nah, but hes not bad like many claim either.
Barths 3 main complaints come in the form of:
1- Low Hit Rates
2- Low Resistance
3- Being Armored
Now while he can't really fix his 3rd issue (though i dont believe it to be one) the first 2 are easily fixable or don't matter. Barth's Low hitrates can often easily be circunvented with better weapon usage or his supports, which are some of the fastest in the game, all growing at a +2 rate and being half ice affinity, which gives Hit.
I noticed in your footage Barth did not use a Slim Lance, which is a shame since it boasts +10 hit over a Iron lance (closer to +15 with true hit), after chapter 13 he can just move into killer lances which only have -5 hit compared to slim lances.
So a 55 Hit can go to 65 to a 75 (2 C supports/ 1 B support) (true hit around 84 iirc).
On the second point Low Res doesnt matter because Fe6 has next to no enemy mages especially compared to other Fe's, and when there are mages they are often bundled in certain maps (16, 16x, 17B north). For example 21 has exactly 5 magic enemies and 107 WYVERNS, so defense is King.
And as it turns out Barth can steamroll through maps with his insane defense especially post promo.
I once tested it and a insta promoted barth can actually solo the western isle maps, even doubling at base the enemy fighters.
Sacae is also another example as damage from the myrms and the generic nomads hovers from 18 to 22 only going up to 26/27 with the promoted ones which means a Barth with that amount of Defense is untouchable (Sacae mages are garbo too and almost dont even exist).
TL:DR- Barth is a Miledy that trades off flight for More defense and can cheese several of the Maps on hard if you know what you are doing, however hes at his worst when he joins giving a awful first impression.
Wendy just sucks Lmaooo
I appreciate the comment! I just do not see what you are talking about here with Barthe. He is infinitely worse than Lance and Allen so there better be a really good reason to use a knight's crest on him. But even a unit like Noah early promoted can dominate the western isles if that's really what you are looking for. You mention him being able to solo chapters, and I get that an early promotion can probably dominate the isles for a while, but he can't double consistently, and his damage is mediocre at best. Also, again Lance, Allen, Noah hell even Zealot and Marcus can do way better on the isles because they can use swords and are much better classes. Then you mention Sacae, and I would agree with defense making units deals very little to know damage there, Douglas is a very comparable unit and he has very niche uses in Sacae for that very reason. But it's very niche, being able to take hits is just not that useful if you can deal damage in return.
Then I read your TLDR. Look if you are not trolling than I apologize but that can't be real. I guess technically what you say is true, Barthe does have better defense and cannot fly. But you make it sound like that's a reasonable tradeoff. Miledy is the best unit in the entire game, Barthe has some very niche uses if you early promote him.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Im not trolling though, Stat wise Barth is similar to Miledy however lacking flight (and speed should have mentioned that) for More defense.
What makes Miledy Top 3 unit wise is exactly her flight which only 4 other units have in the game, 2 of them joining after her and 2 others having issues (Shanna needing to be trained which can lead to earlt deaths and Thea who has laughable bases even with HM bonuses).
Furthermore on the Knights crest argument, it is true that Allen and Lance are far better units than Barth, but they dont benefit as much from a Promotion as Barth does.
Paladin Promo bonuses are Meh and their Axe access isnt needed, so unless their level is literally capped they don't benefit much from their promo.
Meanwhile Generals get +4 Defense and +3 All around while buffing their move by 25% and giving them Axe access for neutral Weapon Triangle on the west isles and 80% Positive weapon triangle after chapter 14. The defense part is key to their snowballing, its like How Brom and Gatrie work in Fe9 Maniac mode, and Barths Promotion sets him at 18 defense minimum, 24 Maximum.
Am i saying that you should promote barth over those 2? No Lmao, but its not as one sided as people think of a choice.
Also in ironman formats its common for the cavs or 1 of them atleast to die in the first 7 chapters which opens up the knight crest slots, same case with Fighters Crest.
Worst case scenario Barth gets the chapter 16 Secret shop crest which still lets him wreack havoc on Sacae.
Barth aint a Top 10 unit though that's for sure.
@@oof776 I can see where you are coming from, I am sure if you do early promote him, he can be pretty strong during certain portions of the game, but I am just not sure who he's better than. Other than the obvious Sophia and Wendy. Any unit can be really strong if given enough love, even Sophia and Wendy, but in the context of the game they are terrible. I am not saying if you choose to use Barthe and put effort into him he will be useless, far from it. But is that effort worth it? IS it better than effort spent elsewhere? I would argue not.
Barth is bad and irrelevant in optimal gameplay however he is totally viable in a draft or iron man.
He was definitely made with the idea of getting him one level then insta-promoting as general bonuses are quite good.
The real issue is that the knight crest is heavily desired and it is hard to justify using it on him over Lance, Allen or even Noah.
The other issue is that his massive con means he cannot really be rescued dropped after promo. This hurts because Fe6 maps are big and some have tight time frames to achieve gaiden chapters or side objectives.
Of course on iron man and draft side objectives are often less important.
@oof776 You left out the best part of the paladin promotion, the extra movement. The upgrade from 6 to 7 move for paladins is more impactful that a Stat increase for the tactical options it opens up on maps. Plus the knight promo bonuses aren't even that much higher than the cavaliers. Knights get 1 more hp, speed, and defense, and 2 more strength. That's nice but it doesn't make up for knights low move or Barth's low growths
Truly
The saddest part about Wendy isn't just that she's hilariously weak, but her personality is that of cardboard.
Literally all she has is memes.
These guys unironically boost Lilina’s worth because she’s literally the ONLY unit you get in ch8 worth building in ch8x. If they were like cavaliers instead it’d be a good bit harder to consider her. But when you get 2 chapters to build her in a row with literally no one worth doing that prior as everyone else would have had the arena it makes it very easy to raise a mage with 0 competition.
I've found it's not that difficult to raise Lillina in 8 and 8x to the point where she can at least start contributing in 9 and start snowballing with her crazy magic growth.
@@RobotGuy405 BIG AGREE
While i dont consider her a hidden gem unit she is a pretty serviciable unit
That has the same boon as Fir ah decentish units class and bases that is on a game that favors its weapon.
AND JUST HAPPENS to be on the perfect spot for babying on a perfectly efficient and turn effective way.
While not as dodgy as fir
Having several stationary 1 range enemies on 8x is not too diferent to having a swordie unit on a forest close to a pirate fortress.
And again anima is quite good on FE6
Seems like everyone forgets that you get 2 Cavaliers in Ch 7, not just another Marcus. Even those two are hard to justify a Knight Crest for when the Christmas Cavs exist. That only goes double for Barthe and Wendy!
Might be a mildly hot take but I would argue that the Sophia/Cecilia recruitment is worse when regarding their full context:
Barthe and Wendy are bad units, for sure, and Ogier isn't exactly the cream of the crop but you're never forced to accommodate for them- You can just leave them where they join and have that be the end of it: And at the very least, at least on Normal mode, Barthe and Ogier can sort-of contribute with chipping random joes (I would struggle to call Wendy killing herself on the first enemy she initiates against as a contribution)- They're not good at it, but it's something that they can do, and a new player- or perhaps someone who lost their Dieck or Bors early on and wound up liking either unit might find reason to make room in their lineup for one of the pair- Or both! And Wendy's great for those who like intentionally using bad units... or if you hate yourself. Or if you're a masochist. Or all of the above.
Fast forward to Ch14, and the game gives you two free units (Two's still a group): One of which is a middling mage who in theory would be pretty solid at taking out the several wyverns present in the map... If it wasn't a desert map that dumpstered her MOV and in fact left her pretty vulnerable to them unless you stay on-top of your game, alongside a serious contender for the worst unit in the series who is necessary baggage for the true ending (even if accommodating for them in this regard isn't particularly difficult, it's still extra busywork you have to go out of your way for). While Sophia may have the same bad unit allure as Wendy that's really the only W she can take here.
Ch8's recruitments may be bad, but at least 2/3 of them are vaguely functional units for their join time- Even if Barthe admittedly really stretches the meaning of "functional"- and are usable in their joining chapter (on Normal mode, anyway.)
Ch14 saddles you with two seriously gimped units- One of which being a relatively alright unit with perhaps the worst joining situation in the series; and the other perhaps being the worst unit in the series- neither of which can reliably contribute, if at all in Sophia's case, during that chapter.
Early suck is better than later suck; at least early suck contends with a relatively lower power level and has reasonable time to develop into sucking slightly less
I think that Cecilia is a high tier unit so for me it's hard to say that recruit is worse as I think both Barthe and Oujay are low to bottom tier units. I use Cecilia in many chapters on almost every playthrough, offensively she is pretty mediocre, but a high movement heal bot that does not require a portion item is really good. I also do not really care about her being a bit awkward on her join chapter, she is freely used they're with no deployment penalty and most units have that movement issue on that chapter. I agree about early suck is better than late suck but for me Cecilia very much does not suck.
I appreciate the comment and hope this helped explain my perspective!
@@pannolinobambino1015
I don't disagree that Cecilia is a significantly better unit than any of Barthe/Ogier/Wendy/Sophia- She's definitely on the upper half, probably upper third of the cast just on the basis of having highly mobile staff utility- a significant edge over the assortment of bad to "decent-but-not-(Melady, Perceval, Rutger)" combat units you get throughout much of the game. I didn't mean to imply that Cecilia was that bad- just that her joining situation makes her feel significantly worse than she is.
I might not have made this as clear in my original message, but I was basing a lot of this on first impressions- because I believe your first impressions on a unit are always going to be the most important: And in that sense, while Barthe's group don't have a super strong first impression, I would still say that the first impression of Ch14's recruitments feel a lot worse at the time (Or in the case of Sophia forever (lol))
I do definitely see where you're coming from, and I think it's also a valid choice for the worst recruitment in FE6 (I can hardly think of anyone who would be happy to get one non-Oswin GBA armour, let alone two), I just think that the circumstances of Ch14 makes it feel a lot worse, even if it might not be quite as bad on an objective basis.
All I see is a Javelin, a Steel Lance, and an Armorslayer. And the LTC goblin sees three excellent sacrifices for the rescue death exploit. Since the three suck they won't be missed when they die, but the catch is that they saved a turn, therefore they're not completely useless.
I love oujay he was my armads user in my fe6 run. Not sure why but I thought it would be so funny to grind his axe rank to S. Axe units suck in that game so it wasn't even that unoptimal
I actually had Oujay carry one of my FE6 iron mans that nearly died in chapter 7 and he used my Armads in the end game as well! Oujay is Armads is the way lol.
@@pannolinobambino1015 AHAHAHA IM NOT ALONE that's amazing and hilarious go us (and oujay I guess)
The fact that I'm planning on using my 3 knights crests on my first playthrough of FE6 on Wendy, Barthe and Bors has me coming to terms with myself being a complete masochist.
Haha yeah, it's a bit easier if you train Lance and Allen instead. That being said Wendy and Bors can be beasts if you put in the effort and you get to triangle attack if you train all three which is amazing.
Wendy vs Sophia: who is worse? my vote goes to sophia
That is fair.
Worse than the "get doubled by common enemies" Wolfguard?
That recruit is awful, at first I was going to make the video about a few bad group recruits and that was one of them but I narrowed it down to just talking about one. I think this FE6 recruit is really bad and interesting to talk about but the Wolfgaurd may be worse.
I remember when I asked someone what is even the reason for Matthis from FE 1/3/11/12 and someone said "as a replacement unit in case Cain and Abel die" but not only is he difficult to recruit (you have to use Rena who her dear brother will gladly kill) you also get Hardin literally the next chapter so he's basically just a troll unit. But that answer I feel justifies the FE6 crew. If Dieck dies, Ogier is your only mercenary for awhile (it'll take quite a few chapters to get a hero pre-promote and even then it's difficult to actually get her). Then there's the armor knights which are usually the jeigan of classes. If you need them that means your opting for a more slower, more defensive playthrough one where the enemies come to you and you slowly whittle them away. In that case those two are good enough walls to get the job done. Your main units probably haven't reached where they are at so you can feed them the remaining enemies on the map. Once leveled Barth is a straight-forward wall while Wendy is the first in the long line of Res-Knights (which makes people ask why not just Peg Knights, but that's the point). So they're units that are imply a player at a very low point (and since the previous chapter was the harder ones so it's not difficult to imagine Dieck, your horsies, and your fliers dying) and will be a bit more appreciated
I'm always shocked when people say Lilina is a bad unit. She and Gonzalez hard carried me in my second run through of the game, and were excellent the first time around. I thought her growths must've been insane because she popped off.
This goes to show that personal experience means nothing.
I KNOW YA'LL AIN'T OUT HERE TALKIN' SHIT ABOUT MY GIRL WENDY
I mean yeah she sucks BUT she's so fun to use once she starts leveling up. Her and Lillina were my super-duo
She is fun for sure, I love watching her triangle attack. Lillina is one of my favs in the game, she is such a glass cannon lol.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Lillina truly is a fucking demon lol, astronomical Magic stat
Hey man its been a while since I've seen your videos. I forgot you. Glad to see your still youtubing and embleming.
Hopefully I always will be! I appreciate the kind words.
You should check out fe5 chapter 9, there's a group recruitment there with 2 cavs that are worse in every way possible compared to your chapter 1 cav, an average bow knight and a worse version of that bow knight lol
Thats a really good one, I had considered that recruit, but I feel like Selphina is kind of decent. Also, I thought the recruit I went with had more interesting units to talk about. I also considered Radd and Ceaser in their games, and the Crimean knights in Radiant Dawn. But yeah, those four are really awful for sure.
I think Sophia is worse than Wendy because if Sophia dies on her join map you don't get the true ending. 😑
Eh Sophia at a least has good enough growths where if you do train her she can be a bit of a monster. Still not worth training really but she's fun in a really awful way Wendy is just that but less fun
Ogier really turns amazing more reliably than Dieck, but he feels way worse at base, yeah...
I think if Ch.8 had more armored knights, Ogier could have shined with his weapon, Armorslayer. To be fair, everyone who is at C in Swords shines with Armorslayer, but it would have made Ogier's joining chapter an amazing chapter for his training. Just a few speed points let him gain EXP extremely fast in the Western Isles. Even starts setting up kills for others at that point.
Mine in my latest run capped all of his offensive stats, with only a Body Ring as stat booster. He will never do that often, but he comes close, except for STR.
Decent candidate for Hero Crest. Too bad being a decent candidate won't cut it due to Rutger Dieck, and potentially Lot if you train him up, but he feels really, really good in Hero 100% of the time, compared to Dieck's 66%(my rough estimate)
I dont think its possible for any unit in the game to be worse than sophia, I dont think wendy is at that level
They are both pretty awful lol
Ogier is good, though. He's not made of tissue paper like Lilina, has only 1 less point in speed than Dieck at base level, with a better growth rate and it's very easy to train him in the next chapters, with all the pirates. I've trained both of them and Ogier always ended up being faster and more efficient at one-rounding upon promotion.
Ogier can turn into a solid unit, he is really crappy on recruit though unfortunately.
On hard mode, these 3 units were life savers!
Because I used them as suicide bait to distract the enemy reinforcements.
Haha that is a good use for them
@@pannolinobambino1015 Yeah I remember using Wendy as a bait for the enemy mercenary with the killing edge, she didn't make it though.
They didn't even have to suicide with good timing, too lol. Any of them can just block all of the reinforcements coming from behind, which is a massively funny situation.
Would you really say it's worse than the group of Midia/Boah/Dolph/Macellan/Thomas from the original FE1? I feel like nothing beats having to manage a group of horrible units that have no weapons that you literally have to spend a Warp for to keep them alive lmao
For me that recruit is saved by Boah being pretty nuts in OG FE1 and Midia being kind of ok. I was originally going to talk about a bunch of terrible group recruits, but I ended up just focusing on this one, that group recruit was one I was considering.
I think barthe is good (he turned out good in my first play through so I had a good first impression)
Barthe can be a strong unit but is still considered bad in the context of the game. His class is his biggest downside unfortunately. Still though he can be really useful if you invest and fun to use.
Oh there's much worst than those three and that worst has the guts to call himself a cavalier and his name is Noah. Yes he's the worst in my book. Training him in combat wether it's on the field or arena is a huge waste of time. Everytime he levels up, his stat points goes anywhere than attack, agility and defense. There was one time when I grind Noah in the arena up-to 5 levels and all of his stat points went to only vitality and magic resistance. It was only then I realize that Noah is the only one I wouldn't regret getting killed.
Ogier is the hero of my fe6 run
He was a beast on one of my runs too!
It amazes me how the group of units that join with midia and boah in shadow dragon are like 10x worse than this group
I don't know about 10x worse but yeah, they are also very bad.
@@pannolinobambino1015 yeah i was just exaggerating I just think barths crew has more use than boahs beside boah himself
They serve as bait for enemies
They serve as bait for enemies
OK so yeah they’re all garbage but the triangle attack on idoun looks baller
The knight triangle attack is amazing for sure.
Was it Barth or Bors who has 2% growth in Res? Hilariously awful.
Haha yeah I think so
To be clear, barthe is perfectly fine. He's still bottom of the tier list, but it's very easy to rescue drop barthe anywhere with no weapons and choke a point. In most runs, You will find more use out of barthe than you will from oujay, simply by having stats at base. If you are on a run where, say you lost all three of dieck, rutger, and Noah (stopping you from getting fir), and also didn't train up the axe bros or lost them, then yeah oujay is a decent option to training the western isles - but in every other situation you never want to waste a hero crest on him, and without promotion there is no point to using him. In fact, without promotion I would argue he is inferior to Chad and astolfo at combat, who get an extra point of move, with Chad having some of the best growths in the game and consistently doubling, and astol having better bases and somewhat decent bulk. In comparison, barthe will have utility simply by being plopped down somewhere, unpromoted with no weapons. In a player phase heavy game, this is very useful - and with how high deployment slots in fe6 are, there is a decently realistic chance that you'll have the opportunity to deploy barthe midgame without losing out on any important units.
As such, I argue that barthe is superior to oujay. Oujay may have more longevity, but the situations in which he would be deployed and promoted are far too niche, and having longevity in fe6 generally isn't important due to how many strong units you recieve mid to late game. Barthe provides you with immediate utility, and doesn't compete with any good units due to not needing promotion to enable it.
I could see Barthe being better than Oujay, I do usually prefer units that give immediate impact and while Barthe has more impact than Oujay its pretty minor. I would still rank Oujay above him, but I think it's reasonable to have them switched.
Bors and Diek
Nice video
Thank you very much!
4:39 What about sophia
A lot of people have commented this lol. For me Sophia is better because of class, but they are both bottom 2 and I think either as last place is reasonable.
Gwendolyn slander 😤
I love Wendy lol, but she bad.
Meanwhile, BlazingKnight showed everyone how to stream roll a good amount of the game and the Zephiel fight with Wendy. XD she’s easily an Est Archetype, but I wouldn’t say she’s the worst character in the game.
I have a hard mode iron man playthrough on the channel where I dominate the game with the three knights, so I am aware of their potential. Wendy is still at least top 2 worst units in the game though.
FE6 just loves to hand you underleveled, unpromoted units, doesn't it?
It does, the cast of FE6 is huge lol.
Whenever I get around to playing FE6 for the first time, Ive promised myself that I WILL use ALL the armor knights. Am I going to hate myself? Probably! But itll be really funny!
It absolutely does such but they can be really strong if you put in the effort. And the triangle attack is so much fun!
@@pannolinobambino1015 yeah, the triangle attack is the main reason I decided to use them all, the idea of a non-flier triangle attack goes extremely hard
Started playing fe 1 a couple days ago and that game has so many shitty group recruits. But I guess that's the point since the game was designed for losing units on the way.
FE1 is also a lot easier without a hard mode so I think almost any unit is usable and not that difficult to train. But I do agree, I almost talked about the Radd/Ceaser or chapter 12. Maybe in another video.
I love Barth in spite of himself.
I wouldn't say Knights are strictly bad in GBA FE. Oswin in FE7 and Gilliam in FE8 are both worth using. Oswin probably more than Gilliam, but both are valuable. FE6 Knights though...yeah they're hot garbage.
I am not as high on Gilliam, but Oswin is definitely an exception for me. He is a beast and can scale really well in that game. I think Gilliam can easily be a beast as well, but Sacred Stones has so many busted early units, I think he is pretty mid. Still way better than the FE6 knights for sure.
@@pannolinobambino1015 that's true I mean we have to remember that Gilliam is in the same game as Seth. Everyone is overshadowed by Seth though so can't really hold that against Gilliam. But yeah, Oswin is awesome! I can't imagine playing FE7 without using Oswin.
I will not tolerate Wendy slander! She was hands down the best unit on my squad.
She can be fun to use once she gets going for sure, but she is really bad.
Isn’t Sophia also in FE6?
She is.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Isn’t Sophia the worst unit in Fire Emblem history?
@@connormcnulty6377 I think Wendy is worse because of her class, at least Sophia can hit hard and heal on promotion. But I don't think it's wrong to think Sophia is worse.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Two of the worst units in the series and they’re both in the same game…
@@connormcnulty6377 Haha you have to love FE6.
Hope you'll have a good day
Thank you! You too.
Lilina can be a good unit in mid-late game, is just that FE6 generics are built different
Got this video recommend to me and my god these comments makes me realize how bad casual FE players are or they dont play the hardest difficultly and not understand why the top tiers ARE top tiers
Haha I completely agree. I always thought most people were on the same page about this sort of stuff until I started this channel.
Such a dumb comment as this simplifies unit discussion into Top tiers and non top tiers. Unit ratings arent as simple as Has a mount or gets outclassed because FE is designed in a way where all units have their use depending on your prior actions, due to the nature of Ironmanning.
In a run where one resets for every death, Noah will never really have a use but most cases where people lose Allen or Lance or both in the first 7 maps, noah then becomes a far better unit in the context of that run. It's simple supply and Demand.
@@oof776 I don't understand your point here, you state that Noah is useless if you have Lance/Allen which clearly means you understand they are the better units but there are people who don't understand that. Nobody is saying its only top tiers and low tiers if we did there would be no nuance to the video, and I would have just said these three units are not top tiers, so they don't matter.
@@pannolinobambino1015 I merely parroted what most people say about Noah when it comes to Allan and Lance, which applies to several units in Fe6 when it comes to public perception of them. I don't actually believe Noah to be useless Even if you have Allen and Lance, but most people that play Fe6 with Resets will just treat it as so.
It was mainly a point about how that Viewpoint completely shifts if you lack Allen or Lance and you get Noah. It's not that Noah actually becomes useless if you have the other 2 cavs, it's a perception issue, which leads to Fe6 unit discussion being perceived vastly different depending on playstyle as many people still have misconceptions from the days they just watched Mekkah tier lists made by LTC'ers.
@@oof776 But the tier lists stay the same no matter how you play the games. It may be easier to use a unit like Oujay in low difficulties or if you are playing much slower and resetting but that does not make him better than Rutger. Marcus is still more efficient than any other unit for a big portion of the game whether you choose to use him or not. It's not that tier lists change depending on how you play, it's that they matter less. The best gun in an online fps remains that way no matter the skill level, but if you are playing unranked, like easy mode, it becomes less important to use and one might play the game for hours and have no clue what the "best" gun truly is. It's just that Fire Emblem is not multiplayer and even on its hardest difficulties you can still get away with nearly anything. It is harsh to say most Fire Emblem players are bad at the games but it's also true, because the games don't require you to be that good. If you want to argue the usefulness of a tier list considering what I have just said I get it. But it seems like you understand the tier list and how it functions and still have a problem which I do not understand.
revelations ch 17 scrub squad is far worse
on turn 2 xander and leo join
on turn 3 their retainers join
is is entirely too late for peri to be useful, her main issue of no flying classes is at its worst in the coming maps with tons of silly floating island maps, she will be worse than silas, xander, or sophie in everything but resistance, her resistance is mediocre and a kinshi knight would do her job as a mage killer far better
laslow comes too late as a rally bot and shigure likely already knows rally speed and potentially inherited other rallies, while a second rally bot is nice i think subaki does this better as his early game combat is servicable enough to justify him hitting lv 5 falcon
odin is outright worthless and as both a dark mage and samurai he does nothing without absurd favoritism
niles is the best unit out of the scrub squad solely because he can capture, every chapter after he joins is vallite so he can only capture in paralogues however orochi does his job but far better
I would disagree on Peri but Mostly Laslow, Rally bot or not, Laslow still comes with the same bases as a level 18 trained Saizo so he's always a useful combat unit right from the start, especially since he gets master ninja reclass at base. Even better in a ironman setting where you might need units to fill up slots of other units who died.
I will admit my FE knowledge falls off a cliff after FE12, so you are probably right here. I was kind of waiting for someone to call out a worse recruit in a newer FE game lol.
Sophia is still the worst though, she literally get 1 round by mages...
Could be, but too be fair so does Wendy. I think they are bottom two and how you rank them is ok.
@@pannolinobambino1015 at least you get Wendy sooner, she has better base stats, you're not forced to keep her alive for a gaiden chapter and she has access to triangle attack though.
I genuinely don't get that hate Barth receives. He joins at level 9, meaning that he's one level away from early promotion if needed, plus the units in his join chapter are very easy for him to grind EXP on. He's definitely more of a snowball unit, but if actually used, he can have fairly decent hit rates during the western isles and can even double at certain points. The mage argument is also a fairly terrible one, as there is a grand total of 112-118 mages depending on route, with Illia having 112 and Sacae having 117 both including gaidens, for context chapter 21 has 109 wyverns in just that chapter alone. in fact FE6 has the lowest number of enemy mages in the entire series. Knight honestly isn't as bad of a class as the elitists tell people, while it goes up to taste, I'd honestly go as far to say Cavalier is the worst in the series, as most of the time they die in 2-3 hits unless you over level them to an extreme degree, Knights don't need that, they survive on their own. (in before "yeah because they have no move" replies, which honestly I'll take a slow unit over one that has to be babied 24/7 any day of the millennia), another thing is that most generics don't reach over 20-23 damage, so Barth's base 14 def basically halves all enemy damage right from the start.
He's by no means the "best unit in the series" like I have jokes him to be, but to say he's a bad unit is a little disingenuous to his true strengths and powers. Definently a great quality ironman unit, and an overall quality unit for those who wanna mix it up from the usual Miliedy/Percival sweep most people do in casual runs
You are being way too results oriented here and many people are like that. A "bad" unit is not a useless one, far from it. If you put effort into Barthe he is a beast for sure but is he better than almost any other unit in the game? No. The main strength of Barthe is that he comes at a good level and can be promoted immediately, but even so he is worse than all 4 cavaliers you have already recruited who all want that crest. You mention as well that Barthe is great for people that want to "change up" using really good units like Melidy and Percival and while I totally agree and love to use a wide variety of units it doesn't make him good, and you understand that. Good and bad are contextual, tier lists do not matter that much because Fire Emblem are single player games and not that hard even on the hardest difficulties, but these contextual hierarchies exist nonetheless. Barthe is one of the worst units in the game because he is less efficient than almost every other unit and provides very little if not early promoted, and yet he can still be extremely strong on a playthrough if this effort is applied to him. This is what I mean about being results oriented.
@@pannolinobambino1015 Almost every unit is results oriented, even the godawful Cavalier class. Obvious exeptions include the Jeigans and Athos Effects. While I do agree he may struggle more than others, especially if you don't actually use him on his join map and the Gaiden, but that hardly makes him bad, as even a base Barth can hold his own and reliably kill past the western isles. Thats more than most units in the entire series can even say. (Honestly probably just a praise of the Knight class in general) Out of the 4 cavs only one is really ever worthy, Since the javelin is usually best kept on Allen, since he has usually higher strength and defence, in part screwing over Lance. Being a Cavalier however he usually you can count the amount of hits he can take before dying on one hand. Treck has fairly underwelming base stats for his join time, Rivaling Roy in most cases. And Noah has no specialty, which in hard FE6 is a death sentance since there isn't a role he can fill in aiding survivability. And since Allen joins in Chapter 1 and has to face Chapter 7 at some point, there's a fairly decent chance that he might be dead, if you take the time and care, (in which by that point in the chapter you can) feeding almost every kill to Barth before western isles means you'll have a barth with a decent number of levels before promotion gains in which on average those stats will carry him for basically the rest of the game.
@@Prodawg I will be honest and say there is a lot in this comment that does not make sense to me. Results oriented is a way of thinking about things for humans, so units cannot be results oriented as you say. Not sure what you think that means. You also seem to hate the cav class which I do not understand. I don't really understand what you mean about only one cav being "worthy" as both Lance and Allen can be trained and promoted and will be superior to Barthe. And I really don't understand what you mean about the javelin being best on Allen, you can buy javelins and equip all your cavs with them. They are not even that good in this game.
They're worse than Noah, Trek and Zelot, right?
For sure.
Zelot is another Jaegan. Noah and Trek have a good class.
0:00 Oh, look! It's my Little Cyan Sword Kitten!
Where can you play this game?
I think Vimm's Lair has a translated rom.
You can either download a translated rom of Fire Emblem 6 or download a normal rom and the patch and then do it manually. I can help out a little more if you have more questions.
I’d argue shadow dragon gives you some worse groups of units in the first game a group of 5 mounted units join you but only Hardin is actually good the rest exist to highlight how much stronger he is. Or chapter 12 five units in prison all under leveled except two prepremotes who are average at best. Thracia 776 also has some mediocre teams but I wouldn’t count them cause any of them can be good through use of skill scrolls and growth scrolls
Fun fact Dolph has better personal bases in every stat compared to Astram in fe11, Macellan too but he loses out in 2 stats.
Asstram sucks but dolph is underrated in H5 ironmans as a replacement.
@@oof776 what are you doing here you have a Barth video to still make. I’m aware Dolph is afine knight it just joining at level 4 at a point when all your character are 12-15 is annoying though also the gap I between those two are bigger than you think sure Astarm has the same strength and luck as Dolph but outside of defense Astram stats are all higher plus he has a 50% strength as opposed to Dolph 30%. Not to mention Astram is close to being able to wield the Mercurius and joins with a silver sword and the ability to double already putting his damage high above Dolph’s. Don’t get me wrong Dolph hold more potential then Draug more often than not, but you are highly downplaying Astram’s abilities
I'm talking about their Personal bases not taking in account class. Do a @oifey fe11 dolph personal, astram personal If you still have oifey bot and you will see what i mean.
TL:DR: 0% growths insta promoted Dolph into hero has better or equal bases than astram in every stat.
But yeah Astrams main benefit is just coming prepromoted compared to dolph who needs a master seal.
Also mercurius is kind of a non argument when it gets overshadowed by forged irons and comes later at a point where other units (especially swordmasters) can reach A rank for it.
Also Barth video will come out Soon(tm).
In the original iteration of the video, I was going to go over some terrible group recruits and talk about those two moments and the Radd/Ceaser recruit, but I ended up just talking about these three. To be fair chapter 12 does feature Boah, who is actually really strong in FE1. But yeah, there are many other group recruits that are terrible.
Vyland and Roshea might suck as units in Shadow Dragon, but Wolf and Sedgar put in work once they get a few levels, though Hard 5 is still Hard 5 so that can be a little tricky.
I really wanted to like OJ lol
Me too
i'm playing thracia right now and i must say the selphina group recruitment is so ass, like she is the best part of her squad because of her high bowrank, but man these 4 suck
I totally agree, my first idea for the video was the talk about a bunch of group recruit but I changed it to just these three. That recruit is absolute ass though lol.
Wendy’s worse than Sophia?
I almost mentioned this in the video lol. I think Wendy is worse than Sophia but it's up for debate. For the purposes of the video, I decided to just say she was.
@@pannolinobambino1015 so basically Barthe only gets saved from being top 2 worst units in your opinion as well because of just how bad Wendy and Sophia are
@@pannolinobambino1015 Wendy has one advantage over Sophia. Wendy comes earlier, so if you WANT to train her, you have more time to do so... if you want to suffer through that.
@@jacobcrist7982 Yeah, you could make the argument he is better than some other units as well, but I would have him bottom three.
@@Blazieth That is true! I like Sophia's class much more and she can deal much more damage on recruit, which is why I put her ahead of Wendy, but you are valid in your earlier recruit argument. I think as long as they are the bottom two its ok.
It’s Andaron Saga. The recruits in Andaron Saga are the most ass-tier of all time
That could be the case, I have not played the saga games.
Really? I just started playing it, and it feels fine. Especially with the skills.
Not true all the characters fill a unique role on your team any of them are really good. if you’re just mad cause the game is too hard that’s on you. I can’t name a single unit other than Buggi who is terrible and Buggi was meant to be a joke
Which ones? Units in Andaron Saga can get really nutty
Mid review.