MORE NOTES: - The past in this movie (where the Red queen hit her head) is not the legitimate past, as Alice wouldn't have been alive all those years ago… That whole "past" is just more of her delusion. - We know that time in this film is screwy, because Alice went to Wonderland as a little girl, and then when she came back, nobody aged. It’s all according to her. This single-handedly proves it. - One more extra lesson she learned, which I forgot to mention: You cannot change the past. That was for her mother and whatnot. - More proof she's "dreaming", is that whenever she leaves Underland, everyone fades away, almost like she's waking up. Especially noticeable in the first movie. - After the first movie, the hatter says he will see Alice again... But after this one, she says she'll never see him again... Further implying this is the last movie. - Finally, if you were wondering, this movie really does try establishing that the journey actually happened. In a deleted scene, Hamish swats the blue butterfly, and when time froze, the mirror actually turned different colours. But again, these are just the perceptions of Alice.
back then, my microphone was improperly positioned, I was still getting used to how I would speak for videos, the room I was in had awful echoing, and I just had my teeth "straightened".
I'd imagine the Hatter begins to fade because he represents her father and Alice having to consider giving up her ship (which I believe she sees as a representative of her father) and when the situation gets worse so does the Hatter. Did that make sense? eh
And in the real world Alice was supposed to be associated with the father (no shit, me) by their mannerisms and behaviours. So it would make sense that the Hatter represents both her and the father to a certain extent. But then it gets confusing with the gay metaphors?
I think Hatter represents Alice’s true self. She’s looking into her subconscious during a traumatic/identity crisis time and to her past to make sense of her present and decide on how to move forward. She has a mental breakdown but works thru it and the butterfly is re-birth. He went cold cuz she was losing herself, who she is and what she believes in and stands for etc. The characters are parts of her psyche and such and ppl in her life. But hatter is the center because it’s “her”! :)
*the theorizer on a date* Girl from tinder: so.. what do you do for a living? Theorizer: I make conspiracy theories on children's movies Girl: what Theorizer: what
But when Alice escapes the mental institution she is wearing a hospital gown and a robe. When she leaves Wonerland and enters the actual world she is wearing a pink dress and a black vest. In fact you don't go into much detail with her escape from the institution.
It's the little nuances like this that break the dream/insanity theory, because they show how there is an element of reality to all of this in a way that can't be explained as being Just insanity
I think it's just another element of her imagination. Or, rather, how she feels. She feels confident in her own weird skin, so she doesn't need to actually wear the eccentric clothing. She just makes the ordinary rags she is wearing into a magnificent dress just by letting go of her insecurities.
The mirror probably didn't actually turn reddish; like the caterpillar in the first movie, it was only imagined to be that way. And as for the frozen in time thing, it could be taken as a metephor for something that I just completely missed, or it could have been just added in for that dramatic effect bull. *shrugs* But that's just how I see it, I suppose
7:20 When the Mad Hatter says "Dream...Reality...Who's to say which is which?" It could mean that Underland/Wonderland is actually Alice's reality and the real world is just her dream. We are talking about a Tim Burton film after all.
I made some notes while watching this. Answers would be appreciated. 1- There could be multiple portals everywhere, however the creature above ground that finds Alice could only know the Ashcroft's home 2- The reason that Alice is on the floor spouting out gibberish is because she went back through a mirror in wonderland to get back to the real world* 3- How can going to sea make her crazy if she hasn't been or we aren't told that she's been in the first movie 4- There are a lot of houses that have mirrors in them, most stately homes do so don't act like it's a big plot twist because most houses have mirrors in 5- Alice could have dreams about the mad hatter after meeting him, just as irl you dream about people that you met during the day 6- Linked to the previous note, Alice has a memory and we are not told otherwise so the Mad Hatter could be saying "remember me" or words to that effect 7- The Mad Hatter could have depression from not seeing Alice hence why he's ill when Alice first goes back into wonderland 8- If the Mad Hatter IS fading away because of Alice not visiting due to not believing in him etc, why are the other characters perfectly fine? *Keeping with the theory in the video, who's to say the "real" world is real and not part of Alice's imagination too? that's it lmao please respond
1. Yup. I said there were multiple portals. 2. Yup. I am well aware. It goes both ways. 3. I didn't say that it was certain evidence, I was just noting what Hamish said as the creators hinting. 4. But I'm referring to magical portal looking glasses. 5. Yup. That's why I'm saying that none of it is real, and it's a dreamt delusion. 6. I know... I don't understand what this note was trying to establish. 7. Yup. That's the most likely reason, but his actual descending into death only occurred when she returned. 8. It's all symbolic of his representation of herself, as all the other characters represent other people in her life. 9. As I think I mentioned in the video, as times, the real world is partially in her delusion, but only briefly at one or two points.
The Theorizer Thank you... most of these were just thoughts as I said... on note 6 I was referring to when you mentioned the Mad Hatter' s line about meeting in dreams etc and you analysed it as of to say it was all a dream. I meant that IF it was real then she would have remembered him anyway on a more literal level.
The Theorizer Also, referring to point number four, all the mirrors could be "magic", but most of the time because they are common they are ignored and no one sees the magic, only Alice can? idk It's also all a work of fiction anyway so I guess that part leaves for mysterious and unexplainable (not sure of that's a word 😂) things to happen
Sarah Hall that's true the mad hatter is fading because none of his other friends believed him but he knew in his heart that his "best friend" would believe him but when she said she didn't it made him question whether she is alice because she'd always believe him in the past
alice was b a t s h i t crazy . the part where they said she was on the floor battling non existent shit was evidenced enough to prove she was seeing shit lol
This theory IS pretty cool, though I still wanna believe what’s going on in Underland is real,since it’s been a part of this interpretation and all, there’s a lot to be said about the lore in that case, I think Alice embraced her madness a bit after this, but in like a good way
At the end of the first movie when she has to go home, the hatter says she could just stay in wonderland forever instead of going back home. If wonderland is all in her head, what would’ve happened to her if she did decide to stay forever, would she die in the real world?
If she is an immersive daydreamer, then what would happen is that she would cross the line into being a maladaptive daydreamer. Someone who lives their life on autopilot, lights on but nobody home, because even when reality demands attention, e.g. conversations, you have some degree of awareness, sometimes most of it, on the fantasy as well, causing uncomfortably split attention. I haven't seen this movie but this review makes it sound not like delusion, as the creator thinks, but immersive daydreaming (a skill some people have, which you can use for cathartic reimagining of and spontaneous playful creative thinking about real problems, involving what feel like conscious and unconscious mental processes) threatening to become maladaptive daydreaming (frequent difficulty focusing on reality without your immersive imagination interrupting and tempting you away).
Yo Boy P.J. I think he may be done with Coraline for a while because he made the Timeline and even a spinoff theory about the boy in the painting being both the Beldams son and the Cat
4:00 In the movie Hamish says that she was jabbering about some atmosphere (chronosphere) and was searching under the furniture because she dropped it when she was escaping from Time through the other side of the looking glass. She fell and the chronosphere slipped out of her hand, which again caused Alice to look under the furniture. I'm not saying that I don't support your theory, I do but I'm pretty sure it was real. (after all it is a fictional movie)
The looking glasses don't appear when Alice needs them because its her imagination or whatever. It's like in Harry Potter with the Room Of Requirement. Wonderland provides what it needs to its habitants. It gave wonderland Alice. It gave Alice a way in and out. It gave Alice the key, food and drink to get through. Everything that happens in Wonderland happens because Wonderland chooses for it to happen. Wonderland is almost sentient...
Also, Wasn't the hatter fading to do with his family, cause he believes/knows they're alive and no one believes him Side note- Alice doesn't say she doesn't believe IN him, she just says it's impossible for his family to be alive
I feel like i have what alice has because i slipped on ice and got a concussion and my dream was about fictional characters and when i got better i would still see them calling me back to my imaginary world and i still believe it is really happening
but in the deleted scenes, we see Hamish actually seeing the blue butterfly and tried killing it. i think it proves that everything is real but in other hand, maybe its only Alice who sees the butterfly as blue
She is dissociated. It is real, too. When she doesn't believe her monarch programmer, he is mortified. When she goes into the compartmentalized Wonderland, in her mind, the hatter has machine wheels around his eyes, like in A Clockwork Orange, symbolizing he is a machine/inhuman. When he is fading away, you see shadows over his eyes, instead. When she says that she went through the walls, she went through the walls in her mind. Lord Ascott became her programmer, and they found her on his floor, but when she learns how to reconcile the events, Wonderland goes away. On a side note, Mia Wasikowska is really Hilary Duff-looking.
This! Hatter is her true “self” .. she is going into her subconscious and past to make sense of her present and what she wants/who she wants to be. Identity crisis of sorts but nervous breakdown
I really like your theory, basically it depicts Wonderland as a mental defense mechanism Alice subconsciously uses to cope with her pressuring reality :) It's weird to say that but this movie makes me feel sad about recovering from a mental illness as with recovery this whole world Alice created to cope is destroyed, it actually depicts how sometimes you can hold on to your delusion or illness because it became part of you, you are emotionally attached to it !
Make a theory on Avatar the Last Airbender and Legend of Korra. Maybe about the odd rules of the spirit world. You can have MORE EVIDENCE if you need it.
Also, around the time this story takes place, there would be people who made hats. Hatters, to be exact. (Ooh, that kind of rhymes!) ok anyway.... The hatters used a special chemical that would help them shape the hats. This chemical happened to have poison type stuff in it. When the hatters would breath it in, it would make them have mental problems. They would do and say weird things. People started to call the hatters(you guessed it,) MAD!! So Alice probably has heard about that somewhere and that's why in her delusions there is a mad hatter!!! BOOM!!! The hatters would also get very sick, so that explains a little bit more about that.
A lot of us live in our realms of imagination, sometimes staying there until we are ready to "Grow Up". It wasn't until I was 50 that I made the decision to stay in the "here and now" instead of dwelling in my world of "Let's Pretend"....So of course for Alice it is all a "Dream" as she figures things out. Maybe acting out in an insane way is just the ticket to get out of a forced or arraigned marriage!
yes your theory makes sense. but i SIMPLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT. the entire story has all my life told me to believe in out dreams and to keep dreaming and to learn from our imagination. i will never let that be over come by "she's insane", of course she is but AS THEY SAY "allbthe best people are"
Also, the parallels between Alice possibly losing her father's ship in the real world and nearly losing the Hatter in Underland, which are both tied to her father. By letting go of the ship and closing the door to Underland, she's finally coming to terms with her father's death. She'll still see him in her dreams and in her memory, for he will always be with her, and therefore she does not need to hold onto the physical objects that she has come to associate with him. Same goes for the pocket watch, I suppose.
As soon as I found this channel I fell in love with it I love how much passion he has you can feel it in the way he talks it engages you and makes you think more ❤️ I hope he continues making videos for a long time his theories are so interesting and I’m hooked! 😊
Can you please do a theory on Alice:Madness Returns or American Mcgees Alice? I have a few questions such as: Why has Dr.Bumby killed the Liddel Family? Is Alice trapped between Wonderland And London forever from the end of the game? Did Alice kill Dr.Bumby mentally or phisically or both? Why does the red queen look like a younger version of Alice? Why has Dr Bumby made Alice forget using the key to her sisters room? Wont that make her remember more? Please help me out xD
But .....if all of that was a dream, and the Mad hatter knew it was dream or hysteria, couldn't he have told her to just "dream" or "defeat him with her mind"the time man away or something? Or why does the mad hatter have a previous family background that doesn't relate to Alice's father? And why is it so hard for alice to travel everywhere in Wonderland if she's the true controller of it all (can't she just magically appear in the place she wants to go?)
There is actually 4 Alice books. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland Alice's Adventures Under Ground Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There The Wasp in the Wig The Nursery Alice
You seem to pretend that the possibility of her being psychotic is bad or frightening, but this movie is simply a lot better than that, it isn't bad, or scary, it's just different, underland is just how Alice as a psychotic individual deals with her problems. And she ALWAYS deals with them, Alice's is a healthy psychosis in which she rather than falling under the weight of a delusion, uses the power of these delusions to resolve conflicts in a safe, and healthy manner.
the line that pushes your theory also goes against it (“who’s to say what’s a dream and what’s reality”) most people would chalk her experience up to a dream automatically but who’s to say
She is being pushed mentally and she meets a guy who takes that away from her. He dies and all of the sudden, there is this totally unrealistic third act. It's all a projection in her mind after she goes insane
WHAT! WHAT? WHAT?! Alice killed Wonderland? Hatter being ok with dying, out of her letting her go back home? How are they ALL ok of dying and only being seen in dreams that allow them to live? Do the queens even get a chance to say 'bye' either? I mean, I understand that they're all 'bonkers', but why would they only want to be a fragment or fragments of a dream where they don't mean anything to her?
the mad hatter is fading because none of his other friends believed him but he knew in his heart that his "best friend" would believe him but when she said she didn't it made him question whether she is alice because she'd always believe him in the past
Hatter is her true “self” and nobody was believing in her anymore and her father died - the only one who understood and believed in her. If Alice didn’t believe Hatter, she would be ultimately abandoning her own self and belief in who she knows she is and her true strength etc. Identity crisis of sorts and nervous breakdown. Metaphorical imo
Nuuuuu whyyyyy I didnt want Alice to leave wonderland thoo ,the movie is soooooo good and the characters and the story , everything especially mad hatter 😭😭😭😭😭i wanted the story and the adventures to be continued 😢😢😢😢😪😪😪😗
I don't believe this. I understand it and I see that it's right but I choose to not believe it because Underland will never be dead to me. I don't accept it.
Traumatic experience + identity crisis.. Hatter represents her true self and the looking glass is looking into her subconscious into the past for answers on how to move forward. Each character represents a different part of the psyche and situations as metaphors. People have been known to “go crazy” by doing this. It is the beginning stages of heavy trauma therapy and butterflies represent re-birth and healing!
I love your channel and I think you are really creative and that you think of all of these is great theories and it may not be the best graphics but they are all very plausible. I've been here for a while at less a year and a half. I just think you have such a nice community.
I don't know about you guys but I thought this 'theory' was already obvious in both movies. And its not really a theory because what he said is actually the whole point of the movies.
When Alice escapes the “hospital” (idk what that really is, maybe a mental health hospital?). She runs back to the room with the looking glass. She takes the cronoshphere in the room in “reality” and later enters the mirror. Maybe I haven’t understand it but how is that possible?
And here are my facts about why she IS NOT dreaming: When she went to Wonderland, her clothes was different. However, when she got home, her clothes changed. What about the watch-thingy that that she gave to Time before she left Wonderland? It wasn't with her when she came back to the real world. About the line that Absolem said as he guided Alice after going through the mirror, it wasn't because she wasn't believing or losing faith in Wonderland, it's because they miss her. About her going through the mirror and banging her head in there, how could that happen when she tested her hands first before entering the mirror? I hope you can all explain your answers to my question because YOU are ruining my childhood literally and emotionally.
I live in England, read the books and even studied about Alice in wonderland. It's definitely about the mess up world we live in. The government, the rules, the queen and the have to do this and that with a set time frame. Watch the movie again and your see what I mean. It's definitely Alice's dream about finding your way in this world as a child to adult. The confusion of one's freedom isn't free and finding your propose of being in this world Wonderland is facing reality, illusion and escapism sets people free from this world today. Even by movies, video games, adventure, artwork, writing, creativity, reading books, collecting or by means of chasing money. We all trying to find our propose and meaning of life before we die. Wonderland is fear of the unknown of reality with time, that's my prospective of Alice in wonderland
its clear that its a mental problems and issues cant be solved if its a real person with all this responsibility and she is soo young for all that ofcourse she will create a world to escape to many ppl suffer this in real life 👍🌹
MORE NOTES:
- The past in this movie (where the Red queen hit her head) is not the legitimate past, as Alice wouldn't have been alive all those years ago… That whole "past" is just more of her delusion.
- We know that time in this film is screwy, because Alice went to Wonderland as a little girl, and then when she came back, nobody aged. It’s all according to her. This single-handedly proves it.
- One more extra lesson she learned, which I forgot to mention: You cannot change the past. That was for her mother and whatnot.
- More proof she's "dreaming", is that whenever she leaves Underland, everyone fades away, almost like she's waking up. Especially noticeable in the first movie.
- After the first movie, the hatter says he will see Alice again... But after this one, she says she'll never see him again... Further implying this is the last movie.
- Finally, if you were wondering, this movie really does try establishing that the journey actually happened. In a deleted scene, Hamish swats the blue butterfly, and when time froze, the mirror actually turned different colours. But again, these are just the perceptions of Alice.
The Theorizer why did you talk so different in the last one?
The Theorizer can u make a quick vedio explain this it's difficult to get reading it
back then, my microphone was improperly positioned, I was still getting used to how I would speak for videos, the room I was in had awful echoing, and I just had my teeth "straightened".
The Theorizer ion
The Theorizer I nearly started crying when you said Alice let go of Wonderland. I guess Im going insane soon like she did.😂
"of course it's all happening inside your head. But why on earth should that mean it's not real?" Anyone get the reference?
Itsthewitchfromnextdoor Dumbledore!
I am just your imagination Harry, its time to wake up.
Brb. Crying in the club rn
Hatter!!!! Oh dumbledore oops why didn't I think that even though I LOVE HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!!
Brian!!
I'd imagine the Hatter begins to fade because he represents her father and Alice having to consider giving up her ship (which I believe she sees as a representative of her father) and when the situation gets worse so does the Hatter. Did that make sense? eh
Phantoms Child this actually makes perfect sense,I was also thinking that The Hatter could Resemble Alice's Father
And in the real world Alice was supposed to be associated with the father (no shit, me) by their mannerisms and behaviours. So it would make sense that the Hatter represents both her and the father to a certain extent. But then it gets confusing with the gay metaphors?
I think Hatter represents Alice’s true self. She’s looking into her subconscious during a traumatic/identity crisis time and to her past to make sense of her present and decide on how to move forward. She has a mental breakdown but works thru it and the butterfly is re-birth. He went cold cuz she was losing herself, who she is and what she believes in and stands for etc. The characters are parts of her psyche and such and ppl in her life. But hatter is the center because it’s “her”! :)
*the theorizer on a date*
Girl from tinder: so.. what do you do for a living?
Theorizer: I make conspiracy theories on children's movies
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Or... Or...
I entertain children with my tinfoil hat.
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What?
@@miner0326 what?
"You either hate it or you love it. I sit right in the middle."
... Huh.
Makes total sense. Yep. 100% accurate.
It means he likes it and doesn't like it
UltimateKyuubiFox What doesn't make sense?
Inel Langley more accurate
He likes it. He just doesn't love it.
Mademoiselle Macabre he said that you either love it or hate it. And a second later he says he’s neither
But when Alice escapes the mental institution she is wearing a hospital gown and a robe. When she leaves Wonerland and enters the actual world she is wearing a pink dress and a black vest.
In fact you don't go into much detail with her escape from the institution.
It's the little nuances like this that break the dream/insanity theory, because they show how there is an element of reality to all of this in a way that can't be explained as being Just insanity
I think it's just another element of her imagination. Or, rather, how she feels. She feels confident in her own weird skin, so she doesn't need to actually wear the eccentric clothing. She just makes the ordinary rags she is wearing into a magnificent dress just by letting go of her insecurities.
WHAT ABOUT THE SCENE WHERE THE MIRROR TURNS THE REDISH COLOR AND EVERYONE IS FROZEN IN TIME?!?!?!?!?
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The Theorizer Little plot hole in the theory... oops😉
it might shows that her brain was shutting down or maybe dying. I have no idea.
Could be her brain taking a split second moment to think on the past, or a pause in her thinking.
The mirror probably didn't actually turn reddish; like the caterpillar in the first movie, it was only imagined to be that way. And as for the frozen in time thing, it could be taken as a metephor for something that I just completely missed, or it could have been just added in for that dramatic effect bull. *shrugs* But that's just how I see it, I suppose
7:20
When the Mad Hatter says "Dream...Reality...Who's to say which is which?" It could mean that Underland/Wonderland is actually Alice's reality and the real world is just her dream. We are talking about a Tim Burton film after all.
I always percieved it as both
Can you make a Spiderwick Chronicles Theory?? I have not seen one before.
LADY_ARIES_
too much reading for me ;)
LIES Spiderwick was a Great Movie :3
I wish there was more.
I agree! I would love that!
oooh honey we need that
LADY_ARIES_ YES I HOPE HE DOES
Can you do Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children?
Slightly Misdirected omg yes that has sooooo many mysterys
Eh, as long as he follows the books too. So much of that world's lore was left unexplained in the movie
Slightly Misdirected YASSSS
The Joker Or he should at least mention that there was a book version long before the movie.
omg yes
I was extremely convinced. Great theory!
I made some notes while watching this. Answers would be appreciated.
1- There could be multiple portals everywhere, however the creature above ground that finds Alice could only know the Ashcroft's home
2- The reason that Alice is on the floor spouting out gibberish is because she went back through a mirror in wonderland to get back to the real world*
3- How can going to sea make her crazy if she hasn't been or we aren't told that she's been in the first movie
4- There are a lot of houses that have mirrors in them, most stately homes do so don't act like it's a big plot twist because most houses have mirrors in
5- Alice could have dreams about the mad hatter after meeting him, just as irl you dream about people that you met during the day
6- Linked to the previous note, Alice has a memory and we are not told otherwise so the Mad Hatter could be saying "remember me" or words to that effect
7- The Mad Hatter could have depression from not seeing Alice hence why he's ill when Alice first goes back into wonderland
8- If the Mad Hatter IS fading away because of Alice not visiting due to not believing in him etc, why are the other characters perfectly fine?
*Keeping with the theory in the video, who's to say the "real" world is real and not part of Alice's imagination too?
that's it lmao please respond
1. Yup. I said there were multiple portals.
2. Yup. I am well aware. It goes both ways.
3. I didn't say that it was certain evidence, I was just noting what Hamish said as the creators hinting.
4. But I'm referring to magical portal looking glasses.
5. Yup. That's why I'm saying that none of it is real, and it's a dreamt delusion.
6. I know... I don't understand what this note was trying to establish.
7. Yup. That's the most likely reason, but his actual descending into death only occurred when she returned.
8. It's all symbolic of his representation of herself, as all the other characters represent other people in her life.
9. As I think I mentioned in the video, as times, the real world is partially in her delusion, but only briefly at one or two points.
The Theorizer Thank you... most of these were just thoughts as I said... on note 6 I was referring to when you mentioned the Mad Hatter' s line about meeting in dreams etc and you analysed it as of to say it was all a dream. I meant that IF it was real then she would have remembered him anyway on a more literal level.
The Theorizer Also, referring to point number four, all the mirrors could be "magic", but most of the time because they are common they are ignored and no one sees the magic, only Alice can? idk
It's also all a work of fiction anyway so I guess that part leaves for mysterious and unexplainable (not sure of that's a word 😂) things to happen
Sarah Hall that's true the mad hatter is fading because none of his other friends believed him but he knew in his heart that his "best friend" would believe him but when she said she didn't it made him question whether she is alice because she'd always believe him in the past
alice was b a t s h i t crazy . the part where they said she was on the floor battling non existent shit was evidenced enough to prove she was seeing shit lol
This theory IS pretty cool, though I still wanna believe what’s going on in Underland is real,since it’s been a part of this interpretation and all, there’s a lot to be said about the lore in that case, I think Alice embraced her madness a bit after this, but in like a good way
At the end of the first movie when she has to go home, the hatter says she could just stay in wonderland forever instead of going back home. If wonderland is all in her head, what would’ve happened to her if she did decide to stay forever, would she die in the real world?
Mad_Alice yeah definitely, or she would probably slip into a coma in the real world and live out wonderland in her head.
If she is an immersive daydreamer, then what would happen is that she would cross the line into being a maladaptive daydreamer. Someone who lives their life on autopilot, lights on but nobody home, because even when reality demands attention, e.g. conversations, you have some degree of awareness, sometimes most of it, on the fantasy as well, causing uncomfortably split attention.
I haven't seen this movie but this review makes it sound not like delusion, as the creator thinks, but immersive daydreaming (a skill some people have, which you can use for cathartic reimagining of and spontaneous playful creative thinking about real problems, involving what feel like conscious and unconscious mental processes) threatening to become maladaptive daydreaming (frequent difficulty focusing on reality without your immersive imagination interrupting and tempting you away).
@@compulsiverambler1352 okay that makes a lot of sense
actually, Alice didn´t sell the ship. Her mother tore the agreement apart.
What about Coraline?We miss her☹️
Yo Boy P.J.
he already squeezed a lot from that movie
Yo Boy P.J. I think he may be done with Coraline for a while because he made the Timeline and even a spinoff theory about the boy in the painting being both the Beldams son and the Cat
What more could he possibly cover on Coraline??
Janae Marie exactly
Mr. Nfowleri oh
4:00 In the movie Hamish says that she was jabbering about some atmosphere (chronosphere) and was searching under the furniture because she dropped it when she was escaping from Time through the other side of the looking glass. She fell and the chronosphere slipped out of her hand, which again caused Alice to look under the furniture. I'm not saying that I don't support your theory, I do but I'm pretty sure it was real. (after all it is a fictional movie)
I was the first to finish this video because I watched it on 2x speed
Kevin McGinty nope watched it 4x speed
Kevin McGinty I just skipped to the end, so you're both wrong
Kevin McGinty I started at the end, sorry guys
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Why everyone so obsessed with being first? I would genuinely like to know..
The looking glasses don't appear when Alice needs them because its her imagination or whatever. It's like in Harry Potter with the Room Of Requirement. Wonderland provides what it needs to its habitants. It gave wonderland Alice. It gave Alice a way in and out. It gave Alice the key, food and drink to get through.
Everything that happens in Wonderland happens because Wonderland chooses for it to happen. Wonderland is almost sentient...
Also,
Wasn't the hatter fading to do with his family, cause he believes/knows they're alive and no one believes him
Side note- Alice doesn't say she doesn't believe IN him, she just says it's impossible for his family to be alive
I feel like i have what alice has because i slipped on ice and got a concussion and my dream was about fictional characters and when i got better i would still see them calling me back to my imaginary world and i still believe it is really happening
Lapis Lazuli you might be the real Alice 😱😱😱 btw i hope your ok 💖💖❤️
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Cookie Dough Memer OH My GOD YESSSSS!!!
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I like jordan underneath' video on it, you know, before he went jack shit crazy
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I should say something smart and unique..But.. Nah its youtube.
*slowly claps*
TheCrazy Dragon slow claps suddenly turn into a standing ovation. ( Someone tell me kindly if I spell anything wrong ).
This is a funny name. this is the best "I'm early" coment ever
The producers were like, "Darn it! He figured out our plan! QUICK! We need to make a third movie! Call it 'Alice is NOT Dreaming!'"
but in the deleted scenes, we see Hamish actually seeing the blue butterfly and tried killing it. i think it proves that everything is real but in other hand, maybe its only Alice who sees the butterfly as blue
And how the mirror turned red when the time froze
Would it be possible for you to do a theory on American McGee's Alice, Alice Madness Returns and Alice: Otherlands?
Same here.
I hope it wont be about how many times the doc raped alice cos by god it happened and we all know it did.
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The Theorizer You should make a video on the game Alice and its sequel Alice Madness Returns!!
Alfredo Saldana We need that
3:52 she was found trying to get under the chair to get the chronosphere
Well , WHERE DID ALICE GET THAT DRESS SHE HAS ON WHEN SHE CAME BACK HUUUUH
She is dissociated. It is real, too. When she doesn't believe her monarch programmer, he is mortified. When she goes into the compartmentalized Wonderland, in her mind, the hatter has machine wheels around his eyes, like in A Clockwork Orange, symbolizing he is a machine/inhuman. When he is fading away, you see shadows over his eyes, instead. When she says that she went through the walls, she went through the walls in her mind. Lord Ascott became her programmer, and they found her on his floor, but when she learns how to reconcile the events, Wonderland goes away. On a side note, Mia Wasikowska is really Hilary Duff-looking.
This! Hatter is her true “self” .. she is going into her subconscious and past to make sense of her present and what she wants/who she wants to be. Identity crisis of sorts but nervous breakdown
So...
The moral of this is that when you need advice, turn to shrooms.
🤔 + 🍄 = 😅
You Mr Theorizer, are a bad man;
influencing children to do drugs is wrong and immoral
You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
The fuck you mean
I really like your theory, basically it depicts Wonderland as a mental defense mechanism Alice subconsciously uses to cope with her pressuring reality :) It's weird to say that but this movie makes me feel sad about recovering from a mental illness as with recovery this whole world Alice created to cope is destroyed, it actually depicts how sometimes you can hold on to your delusion or illness because it became part of you, you are emotionally attached to it !
How do you explain her outfit change? When she comes out of wonderland and she's wearing the same thing.
Zquee's Fashion oh my gosh. You a Genius
I was looking for someone to mention this
Also THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS :)
Make a theory on Avatar the Last Airbender and Legend of Korra. Maybe about the odd rules of the spirit world. You can have MORE EVIDENCE if you need it.
Andrew Bercovitz YAS AVATAR 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@Mia Baker a year late but they mentioned the legend of korra which is part of the animated canon, so i would assume the animated series.
FINALLY! AVATAR
"dream... reality... who's to say which is which"
Aileen Martinez bruh
moind BLOWN
Also, around the time this story takes place, there would be people who made hats. Hatters, to be exact. (Ooh, that kind of rhymes!) ok anyway....
The hatters used a special chemical that would help them shape the hats. This chemical happened to have poison type stuff in it. When the hatters would breath it in, it would make them have mental problems. They would do and say weird things. People started to call the hatters(you guessed it,) MAD!! So Alice probably has heard about that somewhere and that's why in her delusions there is a mad hatter!!! BOOM!!! The hatters would also get very sick, so that explains a little bit more about that.
then what about the part when alice goes back again to wonderland wearing a robe or mental suit then comes back with a red dress😏😏
No matter how much evidence you have I still think it's real and she's not insane
look up AIWS meaning. It will help you understand the origins.
A lot of us live in our realms of imagination, sometimes staying there until we are ready to "Grow Up". It wasn't until I was 50 that I made the decision to stay in the "here and now" instead of dwelling in my world of "Let's Pretend"....So of course for Alice it is all a "Dream" as she figures things out. Maybe acting out in an insane way is just the ticket to get out of a forced or arraigned marriage!
yes your theory makes sense. but i SIMPLY REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT. the entire story has all my life told me to believe in out dreams and to keep dreaming and to learn from our imagination.
i will never let that be over come by "she's insane", of course she is but AS THEY SAY "allbthe best people are"
Also, the parallels between Alice possibly losing her father's ship in the real world and nearly losing the Hatter in Underland, which are both tied to her father. By letting go of the ship and closing the door to Underland, she's finally coming to terms with her father's death. She'll still see him in her dreams and in her memory, for he will always be with her, and therefore she does not need to hold onto the physical objects that she has come to associate with him.
Same goes for the pocket watch, I suppose.
Hidden secret message: Glitch and Part of your world. Enjoy! 😊😉😊 nice video!
those pictures of Alice with weird eyes...
creepy
FACE REVEAL!!!!!
The Movie Detective yesss
That's the spirit.
He said he would do it at 1 million :3
The Movie Detective why do you care about his face
1:57 She uses them to teach her life lessons and help her with situations- Alice raises sword *OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!*
As soon as I found this channel I fell in love with it I love how much passion he has you can feel it in the way he talks it engages you and makes you think more ❤️ I hope he continues making videos for a long time his theories are so interesting and I’m hooked! 😊
Can you please do a theory on Alice:Madness Returns or American Mcgees Alice? I have a few questions such as: Why has Dr.Bumby killed the Liddel Family? Is Alice trapped between Wonderland And London forever from the end of the game? Did Alice kill Dr.Bumby mentally or phisically or both? Why does the red queen look like a younger version of Alice? Why has Dr Bumby made Alice forget using the key to her sisters room? Wont that make her remember more? Please help me out xD
She Falls On The Ground Because She Goes Out The Looking Glass Back To Reality When She Is Cornered By Time.
But .....if all of that was a dream, and the Mad hatter knew it was dream or hysteria, couldn't he have told her to just "dream" or "defeat him with her mind"the time man away or something? Or why does the mad hatter have a previous family background that doesn't relate to Alice's father? And why is it so hard for alice to travel everywhere in Wonderland if she's the true controller of it all (can't she just magically appear in the place she wants to go?)
There is actually 4 Alice books.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
Alice's Adventures Under Ground
Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There
The Wasp in the Wig
The Nursery Alice
You seem to pretend that the possibility of her being psychotic is bad or frightening, but this movie is simply a lot better than that, it isn't bad, or scary, it's just different, underland is just how Alice as a psychotic individual deals with her problems. And she ALWAYS deals with them, Alice's is a healthy psychosis in which she rather than falling under the weight of a delusion, uses the power of these delusions to resolve conflicts in a safe, and healthy manner.
the line that pushes your theory also goes against it (“who’s to say what’s a dream and what’s reality”) most people would chalk her experience up to a dream automatically but who’s to say
Do 2016's 'the little prince' girl is insane
She is being pushed mentally and she meets a guy who takes that away from her. He dies and all of the sudden, there is this totally unrealistic third act. It's all a projection in her mind after she goes insane
WHAT! WHAT? WHAT?! Alice killed Wonderland? Hatter being ok with dying, out of her letting her go back home? How are they ALL ok of dying and only being seen in dreams that allow them to live? Do the queens even get a chance to say 'bye' either? I mean, I understand that they're all 'bonkers', but why would they only want to be a fragment or fragments of a dream where they don't mean anything to her?
can you do a theory on paranorman because if you haven't seen it you need because there is a lot to theorize on it
In a few weeks a Corpse Bride/Paranorman theory is being released
The Theorizer thanks I can't wait for them
¡ You should definitely watch the deleted scenes !
I like your theories. You may not always be right but that's what theories are for. I'm sorry people like to insult your work. Keep up the good job.
Why doesn't this guy have 1mil, i love his videos
I hate to admit that she was hallucinating but this is and amazing theory
R u trying to ruin my childhood cause it's working as much as I love ur theories U KEEP RUINING MY CHILDHOOD
I'm sorry but I can't deal with Alice's picture you chose I just can't it's going to give me nightmares
I swear I never saw her at the mental hospital and I was watching the movie very very closely because of the first wonderland theory
the mad hatter is fading because none of his other friends believed him but he knew in his heart that his "best friend" would believe him but when she said she didn't it made him question whether she is alice because she'd always believe him in the past
Hatter is her true “self” and nobody was believing in her anymore and her father died - the only one who understood and believed in her. If Alice didn’t believe Hatter, she would be ultimately abandoning her own self and belief in who she knows she is and her true strength etc. Identity crisis of sorts and nervous breakdown. Metaphorical imo
Nuuuuu whyyyyy I didnt want Alice to leave wonderland thoo ,the movie is soooooo good and the characters and the story , everything especially mad hatter 😭😭😭😭😭i wanted the story and the adventures to be continued 😢😢😢😢😪😪😪😗
This is way to scary to watch at ten in the evening!
I don't believe this. I understand it and I see that it's right but I choose to not believe it because Underland will never be dead to me. I don't accept it.
There are philosophies that state reality is subjective.
Are you Sirius . After this theory I started crying .
P.S. mad hater is my favorite character.
Alice doesn’t sell her ship
When she returns (when her mom is about to sigh away the ship) she refuses and then Alice and her mom sail of together
Traumatic experience + identity crisis.. Hatter represents her true self and the looking glass is looking into her subconscious into the past for answers on how to move forward. Each character represents a different part of the psyche and situations as metaphors. People have been known to “go crazy” by doing this. It is the beginning stages of heavy trauma therapy and butterflies represent re-birth and healing!
Seriously, please do one on the original books. I haven't seen anything on the original. Just the new things on them now a days.
**Slams evidence on table** YOU ARE RIGHT!!
I love your channel and I think you are really creative and that you think of all of these is great theories and it may not be the best graphics but they are all very plausible. I've been here for a while at less a year and a half. I just think you have such a nice community.
Now I'm sad that wonderland doesn't exist anymore in movies 😭 I ADORE Cheshire cat!!! 🐾 And mad hatter!🎩 AND EVERY SINGLE ONE O THEM 😭
if the mad hatter will see her in her dreams means that her talking to him is reality
Presley Adkins my mind is blown 💥💥💥💥 that was my mind exploding
THANKS DUDE!!!!! :)
I love theroy 🦋 but I love the movie more. 🐾 🎩, still awesome work The Theorizer
Puella magi madoka magica theory!! No one does them and that makes me sad cus pmmm needs more attention!! Who else agrees???
What if, Lord Ascott is Time!? No, bad explanation, sounds interesting though.
Which is why I like the "Once Upon A Time" version better. It actually supports my parallel universe theory
I’m glad you said this . I’m about to watch this
Alice is not going through a crisis Alice is going through puberty and she's in her late teens because the story is set in 1921
Hitesh Dasari HD even if you go through puberty you ain't gonna be as crazy as her in your mind
Alice is not a teen. She’s a adult now in the second movie and she doesn’t have puberty.
What about the outfit shes where's when she came home from underland?
8:00 ~don’t fear Varli is here🤠
I don't know about you guys but I thought this 'theory' was already obvious in both movies. And its not really a theory because what he said is actually the whole point of the movies.
RUclips unsubbed me for about a year.....
Luckily found your channel again!
When Alice escapes the “hospital” (idk what that really is, maybe a mental health hospital?). She runs back to the room with the looking glass. She takes the cronoshphere in the room in “reality” and later enters the mirror. Maybe I haven’t understand it but how is that possible?
Best Theory ever
dat upload date caught me by surprise
Tim B. needs to make another one.
This is awesome! I can't get enough of your theories! I just love the way you catch little details in movies that most people miss. Great video! 👍🏻
I've watched the first movie but not the second one
And here are my facts about why she IS NOT dreaming:
When she went to Wonderland, her clothes was different. However, when she got home, her clothes changed.
What about the watch-thingy that that she gave to Time before she left Wonderland? It wasn't with her when she came back to the real world.
About the line that Absolem said as he guided Alice after going through the mirror, it wasn't because she wasn't believing or losing faith in Wonderland, it's because they miss her.
About her going through the mirror and banging her head in there, how could that happen when she tested her hands first before entering the mirror?
I hope you can all explain your answers to my question because YOU are ruining my childhood literally and emotionally.
04:38 the face is gonna haunt my dreams
or maybe she traveled through her soul
Do a theory for Alice Madness Returns! I love the game!
I live in England, read the books and even studied about Alice in wonderland. It's definitely about the mess up world we live in. The government, the rules, the queen and the have to do this and that with a set time frame. Watch the movie again and your see what I mean.
It's definitely Alice's dream about finding your way in this world as a child to adult. The confusion of one's freedom isn't free and finding your propose of being in this world
Wonderland is facing reality, illusion and escapism sets people free from this world today. Even by movies, video games, adventure, artwork, writing, creativity, reading books, collecting or by means of chasing money. We all trying to find our propose and meaning of life before we die.
Wonderland is fear of the unknown of reality with time, that's my prospective of Alice in wonderland
8:44 I will see you in my nightmares
It also proves that it couldnt be a dream, because clocks never appear in dreams, as there is no concept of time.
OMG LOL 6:48 "This isn't all.." An ad appeared 😂
its clear that its a mental problems and issues cant be solved if its a real person with all this responsibility and she is soo young for all that ofcourse she will create a world to escape to many ppl suffer this in real life 👍🌹