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Actually, Time was a character in the books, though unseen. In one of the Mad Hatter's dialogues, he says that he once got in trouble with the Queen of Hearts, who proclaimed that he was killing the time. Time took this as a threat and altered time for the Hatter, making all the time tea-time. So yes, in the books, Hatter IS trapped in tea-time, though he enjoys it nonetheless.
Yea but in here it’s one minute till tea time that Time traps them in so it makes them unable to do anything? I don’t know, this movies still pretty stupid.
Lightning Nerd the analysis we did in class, came back to how Lewis Carroll saw tea parties, as some unending spectacle. Time cursing, wasn't something that bothered them, because they loved tea parties, and one that didn't end, was actually quite enjoyable to them.
Simple solution for the entire premise: Have the hatter go actually mad over the loss of his family and have him attempt to time travel. Alice has to go after him, teaching him that he has to deal with his loss like everyone else.
Lagiacrus Oh... my god. You just wrote a better movie in like, two sentences. And since he is, indeed, the MAD Hatter, that would be keeping in character. How did you do that!?
Alice: “Screw Time and possibly all reality! I have to save the Hatter!” Time: “But the Hatter will also die!” Alice: “I have to save the Hatter!” Our heroine, everyone.
6:46 In a deleted scene there was actually a reason for Alice to be so urgent in leaving. She had tackled the ginger guy in the party because he squashed the butterfly, and was running from the guards. That would have been better to include.
Oh you know, Wonderland! The land of parents being disappointed in their children, and where the monarchy has strict rules, and where hats are to conform to society, and where there is society in general, in fact! Don't you all remember!?!
_For me (In my adaptation)... Wonderland does have a society, but it's completely different. It has little to no decency. Little to no laws, little to no rules, little to no boundaries. The most ridiculous dresses from the runways are casual wear there, the biomes are very different and unique, it has its own set of laws of physics, its own bizarre atmosphere, and the global monarchy (Rulers of Wonderland) contains the King and Queen of Hearts. Two bloodthirsty tyrants who let Wonderland be ruled by chaos and like to decapitate everyone they see._
5:52 Chinese culture was considered exotic and interesting back during the British Empire. Alice would have spent most of that night having people admiring her dress and request to buy it.
Tavern Burner, Yeah taken into account she has been to places we were “visiting” I think most would overlook her unladylike attitude and want to hear about what she has seen.
@@hunterolaughlin It's funny that people like to point that Depp and Bonham Carter have been in a lot of Tim Burton Films, but never mention Gough, who has been in five(Batman, Batman Returns, Sleepy Hollow, Corpse Bride and Alice)
Underland was the original name Lewis Carroll used when he wrote the short story he later turned into the full book. He changed it to Wonderland later. It's one of the few times Tim Burton actually showed familiarity with the source material.
Wellp, given how "female hysteria" was treated in the victorian age, that mental institute scene could have become a bit.......... not Disney friendly...
When I found out that the doctor was played by the Moriarty from BBC's Sherlock, I lost my shit laughing because a fangirl would stay and receive the "treatment"
Actually, the point with Time making it 1 minute to tea time is kinda in the books. Hatter felt he had offended time somehow and thus the Whole tea party was trapped at 1 minute to tea time for eternity. But that was part of hatters madness in the book and alices appearance changed nothing
RoseLaflesh If I recall correctly, the Queen of Hearts called for the Mad Hatter to be executed for “killing the time”. Time, out of respect to the Hatter, stopped herself permanently at teatime.
From the book “We quarreled last March...it was at the great concert given by the Queen of Hearts, and I had to sing...Well I’d hardly finished the first verse....when the Queen bawled out ‘He’s murdering time!’ Off with his head!’...and ever since that....he wo’n’t do a thing I ask! It’s always six o’clock now” The ....are where I cut out some side comments to streamline things. But yeah time got pissed at the hater and made it so it’s always tea time for him. Also I question how many people actually got beheaded on a regular basis as it was super easy for Alice to save the gardeners who painted the roses red in the book by hiding them. And several other characters who are supposed to be beheaded don’t for some reason or another including at one point the King pardoning them. The Queen yelling off with their head is an empty threat that’s part of the madness of wonderland more than anything. (Disney showing the cards getting dragged off to be executed misses the point of this, probably to make the queen more of a threat.)
dimebag88m Well I’ve got a sense of an idea based on undertones and you’re reluctance, but I’d appreciate if you’d expand? If it’s what I suspect, then you can just say that.
@@Lucy-nw4im I could say it two ways, the way by not saying it directly or just saying it. So: 1. It is using a thing which is nowadays smaller (or depending if you want it being bigger, it can be bigger) which women use for pleasure and 2. They used one kind of a vibrator back then
Alice: What did you do to Wonderland? Red Queen: Oh Alice. That's the beauty of it all. I didn't do anything. You did. Think Alice. Wasn't there some little good deed you might've done? Alice: I saved someone. I saved them! I saved the Hatter's family! Red Queen: Exactly. Break the sonic barrier, you create a sonic boom. You broke the time barrier. Time boom. Ripples of distortion radiated throughout history to shift everything just a little bit, but it was enough. Alice: I just wanted Hatter to be happy. Red Queen: How noble. Hatter's little hero. Oh wait, you didn't stop me from taking over Wonderland. Or stop the Jabberwock from killing everyone. You saved Hatter's family because he missed them. And in that supreme act of selfishness, you shattered history like a rank amateur, turning Wonderland into a living Hell moments away from destruction. And yet, I'm the villain? If they had that dialogue in the movie, it would've made it so much better.
*The mental institution* seems like a reference to *the American McGee game.* The scenery on the roof is like an exact copy of one of the areas of the game.
If you switched Carrot Juice/Mad Hatter with Bill, I would gladly risk the fate of the entire world in order to make him happy. A world with a sad Bill is not a world worth existing
That would be a great opportunity for all the Nostalgia Critic characters to appear. It would make no sense in the NC canon, but fuck that! I want the Neglectful Mother and Creepy Father to be alternate personalities to Doug and Tamara.
In the book the mad hatter and March Hair were literally cursed by time to be never quite tea time. That was the ONE thing that I as a fan of the book got SO excited about in this horrid movie.
You know what would have been a good movie? And 18 th century adventure movie about a older noble woman and her adventures teenage daughter travelling the high seas and seeing the wonders of the world. I would love to see that.
NOT ME AND MY FRIEND CREATING A COMIC WITH THIS PREMISE ABOUT ALICE AND HER TWIN DAUGHTERS I'M-- Are you reading our minds? It certainly looks like it--
Did anybody think to rewrite this movie’s plot? I mean, everyone in this movie is an idiot for risking everything they hold dear just because the Mad Hatter is sad! Unless he’s the one thing that keeps their world alive, none of this is worth anything! Also, that tart issue that explains everything in the previous movie is pretty goddamn stupid.
Will 2139 yeah. I actually disagree with Doug on this film. While it may be closer to it's source material, the plot is 10x worse and makes no goddamn sense.
In the original Alice and Wonderland, the book states that both the hatter, the marsh hare and the dormouse believed that they had offended time and that it would always be five minutes till tea time. It was an attempt to contact the book to the film!
Connor Rivers Yep, when I saw this scene I was just like "Obnoxious riddles? Check. Time? Check. Tea? Check. This is basically a prelud to the book scene!"
It's not that the idea is funny, but here it's depressing. Wonderland doesn't have any magic. It's a wonderful place, but there is no set of rules governing it, because that would be "sense". So the idea of a mad hatter, a March heir and a little mouse acting like it's tea time all the time because "they angered time" is funny because it's absurd. However once you actually have a being that has the power to make it so, that is terrifying. On closer inspection most superpowers are...
Wouldn't a better plot be that Alice is institutionalize? And she wittness Wondela- Sigh UUUNDER LAND in mirrors and dreams making her question if it was real. Making Anderew Scott the villian even though he is doing his job as a doctor....If that is the plot to the video game I don't really know a lot about it.
That’s WAY more interesting than THIS. Also, something about them resetting time makes me wonder why this didn’t result in a Days-of-Future-Past ending?
...And since the doctor was played by Andrew Scott from Sherlock, we realize the entire story was just a scheme by Moriarty to gain control of Alice's family's assets.
Can we talk about how dangerous the lesson in this movie this can be?! Giving up your dreams for your family for the simple reason that they're related to you?! That really bothers me. I have several friends that have toxic families that this lesson would be damaging to if they had seen it when they were younger.
I don't think that was really the message they were going for. I think the message was more that you have to let go of some things in time in order to evolve and grow as a person. Alice and her mother kept what was most important to them (their ship, and Time himself as a friend), while the Hatter kept his eccentric style and his own family, which were most important to him. The Red Queen and Hamish are "toxic" characters who ultimately have to change, whether by choice or force, and learn that they cannot get what they want by coercing others into giving things up just so they can have power.
I really didn't like that the film made post-Jabberwock era just... England. That's it. Just look at the Hatter's family and the people around them. It doesn't feel like wonderland with everyone acting mad and goofy, it just feels like Victorian England with anthropomorphic add-ons. I thought the Hatter's family would be just as bright, wacky and colorful as him but no, they're totally normal and he's an outcast. What's fun about that? And he's suddenly depressed because he didn't apologize to his asshole father who's last words were "you're a disappointment"??I get his siblings and mother but even they really didn't do anything to stop the insults or try to keep him from leaving, they just stood by watching
@@altromonte15 We went an IMAX cinema to watch the first 'Alice' film by Burton!! It was in 3-D and we were sat near the front...........After 5 minutes in & for the rest of the film, both me & my partner actually thought we were watching a film while high on drugs.............I kept drifting into the film & going dizzy & disorientated and by the time the film finished, we still felt trippy going home!!!
The Disney Live Action films can be separated into 3 categories: 1) Where they cast a big name actor into a secondary or non protagonist role and rewrite the story around them. Example of this Maleficent, where the character that was supposed to be the embodiment of all evil is instead rewritten into the Big Good, not even an Anti-Hero, just the Big Good. 2) Where they cast a big name actor into the protagonist role and erase every flaw the character had in the original stories. He is just Mr. Goody Good At Everything That He Does Good. Examples of this Cinderella or Beauty and the Beast. Bonus points if you add "Ahead Of It's Time" and "Strong and Independent" as positive traits that are verbally informed by a 3rd character but are not exemplified at all during the movie. 3) Where they have an ensemble of big name actors playing opposite roles, so you end up having neither heroes nor villains and as a result, no story, just Good Guys and Misunderstood Good Guys going through a series of events. As exemplified by this movie
1) Even as a Kid I never saw Maleficent as the embodiment of all Evil. Petty and vindictive sure. Evil not so much. She was kind of a boring character with no depth. Like Umbridge really " I don't like you so you're going to suffer" In the live action remake her character was interesting. She had purpose an a reason. She wasn't just being petty and spiteful she had actual reasons to hate Aurora's family and to want to cause them great pain. I mean shit the PTSD alone. Damn. Plus with as flaky as the fairies in the original were this one made more sense of how three women that grossly incompetent didn't accidentally kill Aurora. Watching it was like watching a version where after Dumbledore admits he knew he was putting Harry in an abusive home "condemning you to years of darkness" and Harry actually goes "Wait what the fuck did you just say?" instead of "yes sir"
+Jack Faire: I gotta agree that I liked what they did with Maleficent, and I enjoyed the movie, but at the same time I can see the criticisms that in the effort to make her a more developed and likable character other characters ended up suffering (i.e. turning the king into a insane man is one thing but giving his side of the story no real resolution as he dies with barely a word with Maleficent is another, plus turning the other fairies into incompetent idiots, and so on). It would have been an even better movie if they had spread the characterization effort around more.
Plus, big name into a secondary character who should be just that, secondary character, but they shadow over the main character. (Every Johnny Depp movie ever?) Really sorry for my english, I'm really tired.
So how come she had no money being a merchant and traveling around the world (wasn't that the whole reason to travel -> to make money). Why would no one tell Alice that in changing the past she would destroy the world (or similar to it), and how could the script justify that Alice realized she can't change the past and still tried doing it ....?
I feel bad for Mr. McGee. Disney stole his script for his first Alice game and the design ideas to half of the levels to his second Alice game. Just... Go play those. It's so much more fantastically insane. And fun.
Thank God! After seeing the movie, I came home to read the reviews and was utterly surprised that nobody mentioned the looks of it, WHICN ARE CLEARLY A RIP-OFF OF MADNESS RETURNS. You have your fall from the sky; bright forest level aka Vale of Tears; the steampunk level (Hatter's Domain and in this case Time's castle); a bit of oriental in her dressing (Oriental Grove); an asylum; and even a red, looking like a bunch of veins Queen's place (of course they couldn't go out there and make it all flesh and blood like Queensland, that would mess with child-friendliness of the flick). Shameless af.
Kate Sirko But there is a huge difference, Madness Returns had a good story and characters and was coherent as well as clever in it's rules and visuals.
I want you to look carefully at the designs here and ask yourself: "Does this look familiar? Have I seen this before?" Because all of these designs are carbon copies of the McGee game. Disney just stole the designs. Stop me if this sounds familiar: Alice returns to Wonderland as an adult, discovers the Queen of Hearts took over and that everything is shit, and that she needs to stop the queen and get Wonderland back to normal according to the caterpillar's prophecy. And I just described the plot of the game! Not the film! Just because Disney copy the designs doesn't mean they did a good job copying it.
GrimSister well Tim did originally want to do am adaptation of the game. Problem is that's not marketable. Disney didn't want it dark, yea it's time Burton you get dark whether you like it or not, but they didn't want it pitch black. I honestly don't think an adaptation of the games is a smart choice either, because most game movies suck balls. But also because no one is going to get it except the fanbase of the games, which is so small that the games are pretty obscure and can be considered hidden gems. So a movie on McGee's world would have also flopped at the box office.
You could make the argument that Time (the character) isn't a bad guy - he's just trying to get the chronosphere back so he can stop the end of the world.
@@generalstaal7075 Time was probably the only thing I really loved about this movie - plus, he's a lot less godawful creepy-looking than the Hatter. I liked how he was revealed to be more of a good guy in the end who was just doing his job, and how he became friends with Alice. There was actually some character development there. I could see Burton getting Vincent Price to play Time if the movie had been made a couple of decades earlier.
Could you imagine if Disney did a modern Alice just like the original? Super abstract, weird, fucked up in a way, crazy. That would instantly be beloved by everyone. I can hear people at work talking about how weird and trippy it is and how they've never seen anything like it. It would be noticed.
I dunno, Taika Waititi might have the design sensibility (seriously how hard is it to spell that? You could do a quick Google search), but if he directed an Alice in Wonderland movie, the dialogue would probably be 80% improv where everyone talks the same and references stuff like Shake Weights (I didn't really like Thor: Ragnarok that much, can you tell?)
Same here, though I hear he's funding a 3rd game for the series; I think it's still up but yeah I would like to see an American McGee's Alice movie, least those games stick close to the dark tone of the original books
Paladin Boyd if it was adapted well I would watch it or if it was a game I would be interested: cause to be honest it got the madness and psychotic tones right
My problem with this movie was the breakneck pace. So many things were happening so quickly you never got a chance to breathe. So many people were talking at once I suddenly got confused and I never had a chance to sort things out. This comes down to the principle of "Scenes and Sequels." A scene has a goal, conflict and a resolution. Sequels are what you have after a scene. Then you oscillate between the two. "Sequels" include emotion, a dilemma, and a decision but the sequels the main purpose is to slow everything down so that you can digest what happened. There were no sequels in this movie. Just action scene>action scene>action scene>etc. Another thing that pissed me off is that the trailer looked like it was the best movie on the planet! I was sorely disappointed. How can they make such a big piece of crap look so damn good?
I can't remember which movie it was, but I've definitely seen at least one where the trailer was amazing and the movie was junk. How'd they do it? The scenes from the trailer were the *only* good scenes in the whole thing.
16:15 This actually came up in the book -the Hatter claims he argued with Time and now it's always teatime for him, hence his endless tea party. Whether this really happened or it's just a figment of the Hatter's imagination is never revealed, but either version makes sense in Wonderland.
8:12 If Alice teamed up with Marty McFly to stop Biff Tannen and the Red Queen and sing Johnny Be Good at the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance that would be kinda awesome. 😄
15:19 This was actually in the original book. Time put the Mad Hatter and March Hare at the table in an ever-lasting time loop so that they could never leave. But the whole 'Alice freeing them' thing is made-up for this film and is a bit stupid.
Exactly! At least I *knew* that when first watching this review. For somebody who’s a self-proclaimed fan of the classic Alice novels, Doug really does miss some points from the books that he should know. He really needs to read the books more closely.
@@hunterolaughlin just unfulfilled expectations. All they had to do was stop pretending that they were making a “Through the looking glass” movie, and simply title it something like, “Alice’s Untold Adventures in Wonderland” and it might’ve been at least forgivable
That's why i went to see the first: the creator of edward shissorhands and nightmare before xmas plus the story of alice in wonderland?? Omg yes give give give! ... so much disappointment 😭
Then go watch a screen saver. I don't expect every movie to be some kind of high art and am fine with them being even toilet humor, but i do expect them to be coherent. If your paying 15 bucks just to see pretty CGI visuals your wasting your money.
lamanticora Oompa Loompa doobity doo Burton’s working through his daddy issues He should have not even messed the plot but did his way rather you like it or not If good having good would of worked a little harder And not just cast Depp and Bonham Carter Lewis Carroll would’ve kicked him right in the jewels Oompa Loopa Doopity doooooooo!!!
A lot of his movies center around daddy issues like beetlejuice, Edward scissorhands, Charlie and the choc., corpse bride and that’s only to name a few
The original book does speak of the hatter getting in a quarrel with time (not a what, a he!) last March before the hare went mad, and is thus stuck at tea time so they almost got that right
I honestly love the fact this movie bombed, the first one was released when a lot of big names attached to it were at their peak-ish, Johnny Depp, Helena Carter, Tim Burton as well as Avril Lavigne, not to mention the Hot Topic crowd and people who nowadays cosplay as Deadpool and Harley Quinn, surrounded the first one like moths to a flame. Now they tried to recapture that lightning in a bottle and were left scratching their heads wondering what the hell happened.
So Amos Diggory is sad... I mean the Mad Hatter... and Albus Potter... I mean Alice travels back in time to save Cedric... I mean the Hatter's family, almost screwing up the space-time continuum...
(in light of some comments down here) American McGee didn't do a better adaptation of the book. He dropped the adaptation pretense altogether, took all of the original material he could and rearranged it to make a whole new story that could translate easily into a video game. It makes sense because that's exactly what Wonderland is for Malice in the video game itself ; it's her escapist post-post-modern symbolist fantasy. It's grim but her reality is grimmer. It's fantastical, but her real life is absurd. It manages to even have biting cultural comments (like the books did !) by not trying to translate or modernize the original ones, and instead finding new ones that are more universal. McGee's loving disrespect for Lewis Carroll is key. Alice throwing a child molester under a train exemplifies it best.
HoneyBunni22 Thats Not the ONLY Depressing Episode tough, Remember the one where will got SHOT and Carlton got an Actual Gun To Protect Himself....That was dark as fuck
I didn't like it because it seemed anti-gun or at least anti-Second Amendment. Simply because of what happened to Will. I could be wrong though. Maybe I need to watch it again.
19:04 Does anyone want to know how they treated Female Hysteria? Well I'm not going to say it but the Vibrator was invented because doctors' hands were getting too tired from treating it.
Time actually saved the mad hatter. In the book it was revealed that the hatter was to be executed for singing out of time during a concert for the Queen of Hearts. Time took pity on the hatter and made it so that it would always be tea time and the hour of his execution would never come to pass.
18:06 I think that line is meant to say that changing the past is impossible as it will always correct itself so the major events will still happen. The only way that won't work is if your past and present self meet. So, regardless of if Alice was there or not, the Red Queen would still hit her head.
heros271 Yeah, it was very briefly mentioned in the book. Hatter says that he had an argument with Time and Time cursed him to be stuck there until she showed up.
However in the book, it wasn't clear if The Hatter actually pissed of time or that it was something The Hatter made up due to him being mad. However, I don't think Alice being there somehow fixed it like it did in the movie.
Exactly this. During "A Mad Tea Party" (chapter 7 of Alice's Adventure's in Wonderland) the Hatter mentions that Time is a male person, and "We quarreled last March"[...]"And ever since that,[...]he won't do a thing I ask! It's always six o'clock now." (Alice then infers that this is why they're having a never-ending tea party, which the Hatter confirms). Sure, it's a very, very literal interpretation of the source material, but it's not like this is something the screenwriters pulled out of their asses just to dampen the sense of whimsy.
well i mean its perfectly clear in the book that all that happened was his watch broke and stopped at six o'clock and of course mad hatter believed he should spend his life doing a teaparty. because hes nuts and illogical
26:01 That was the best ending to a review series about live action versions of Alice In Wonderland that never really happened, it was just nothing but a dream that felt like an eternity.
I am bit disappointed they didn't show the time period accurate CURE for "female hysteria". For those of you who don't know what it is... it is a vibrator.
When i first hear that burton was making alice in wonderland i thought it would have a feeling that the game had. Breaching the line between reality and alices dreams. Imagine a litle abused girl in 18th c. To cope with her dark reality she begins imagining a beutifull world were she can be happy, she cant have a dress so in her dreams she has a beutifull dress, i think there are already theories and lots of explanations how original was about mental health, you could do it the same way pulling back the veil behind the dream, with the characters of wonderland being reflections of reality, you could even show it geting darker as alice grows up to represent her fractured psyche. You could even explore the problems of those days like lack of proper mental care and how asylums often made the pasients worse.
I feel like it could have been a tad better if Underland's safety or whatever was dependant on the Hatter's mood and the whole ending the world thing wasn't there. It gives incentive for her to go and there's no bigger sacrifice to make. I mean, that sounds shitty, but it still seems a bit better than this convoluded mess.
Remind me please. Why does the NC advertise a tuxedo delivery service again? How did this happen? "He criticizes and analyzes movies and cartoons with geeky content or nostalgic value? That's the kind of face we need for our tuxedo business!!!"
*snickers* Oh I dunno because geeks go to Prom too? Because a Tuxedo is a piece of clothing and people aren't only one thing. You act like Tuxedos are diametrically opposed to this channel. Now if he were the "I hate Tuxedos Critic" then yeah totally advertising Tuxedos would make no sense.
Well, there are a few different possibilities. The two most likely are 1) He has a lot of subscribers and viewers, so they company sees it as reaching a large audience or 2) Some data mining somewhere found that many viewers of this channel have also doing onine searches for tuxedos, resulting in this actually being a form of targeted advertising.
If I remember correctly, Time cursing the Hatter and friends to always endure a tea party was something that happened. It wasn't for that reason, but the Hatter did royally piss off Time. Also, if memory serves, it was constantly tea time, not a "minute before"
Is it just me or is anyone else scared that Tim is going to turn Dumbo into a story about a raging alcoholic anthro elephant in slavery time US and give the crows more screen time?
The live action "Lion King": Scar is the gay hero lion and the hyenas are oppressed minorities who kill off the lions, including the insane, inbred Simba and create a perfect utopian communist state. It still grosses $3 billion worldwide, because everyone is stupid. ;D
When I imagine this movie, I imagine this Alice looking through a window. Through the window is a copy of the original Alice in Wonderland with the books.
Technically time was in the books as the Mad Hatter mentioned that he granted the Mad Hatter and the March Hare longer lives as time moved more slowly when you have fun. Though it was unclear if Time was an actual person or if it was a delusion.
Why would there be delusions in Wonderland ? It has talking opium addicted caterpillars and a walking talking deck of cards that plays crokay with hedgehogs for balls and flamingos for clubs. Why would the literal physical incarnation of the personified essence of time itself be to much a stretch?
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Channel Awesome I can’t wait until you review the jungle book
It sucks
Channel Awesome do you still use stardust
jebblottin92 you can
Actually, Time was a character in the books, though unseen. In one of the Mad Hatter's dialogues, he says that he once got in trouble with the Queen of Hearts, who proclaimed that he was killing the time. Time took this as a threat and altered time for the Hatter, making all the time tea-time. So yes, in the books, Hatter IS trapped in tea-time, though he enjoys it nonetheless.
Lightning Nerd thats...intresting...Man I've got to read the book sometime
Yea but in here it’s one minute till tea time that Time traps them in so it makes them unable to do anything? I don’t know, this movies still pretty stupid.
Well, Doug also didn't know Charlie Bucket's dad isn't dead in the book, so I'm kinda not surprised he missed that detail.
+Lightning Nerd
Is it redundant to say:"Everything you said sounds maddening?"
Lightning Nerd the analysis we did in class, came back to how Lewis Carroll saw tea parties, as some unending spectacle. Time cursing, wasn't something that bothered them, because they loved tea parties, and one that didn't end, was actually quite enjoyable to them.
Simple solution for the entire premise:
Have the hatter go actually mad over the loss of his family and have him attempt to time travel. Alice has to go after him, teaching him that he has to deal with his loss like everyone else.
Lagiacrus Oh... my god. You just wrote a better movie in like, two sentences. And since he is, indeed, the MAD Hatter, that would be keeping in character. How did you do that!?
I thought of exactly the same thing watching this review! It'd make so much more sense!
Lagiacrus congrats, you made a better movie
Lagiacrus Man, a shame the person who wrote the script for this movie didn't take the time to think of that....
Can you please replace Linda Woolverton as the screen writer thanks
Alice: “Screw Time and possibly all reality! I have to save the Hatter!”
Time: “But the Hatter will also die!”
Alice: “I have to save the Hatter!”
Our heroine, everyone.
MQF II But it’s for the greater good, the Hatter was sad
I misread "Hatter" as "Hitler" in that comment... o.o
The hatter was dying and Alice said to time when he was dying she would only use the chromosphere one more time.
Cut her some slack, she was in a mental institution. We just humor her
Heroine having a Hallucination?
Or am I having a Heroin hallucination?
“And I was in a mental institution-“
“Well that I believe.”
I laughed so much
Damn game kicked a lotta ass
@@Zimmy_1981 what about the centipede?
@@hamishmacfleetwood5229 centipede?
@@Zimmy_1981 I guess you haven’t seen American McGee’s Alice.
Soldier: We are out numbered. Our country is doomed
General: But the Hatter was sad.
Sounds about right
We are outgunned (What), outmanned (what), outnumbered, outplanned!
Madisyn Golab 🎵we gotta make an all out stand, but I’m gonna need a right hand man!🎶
I’m imagining that in Doug’s voice XD
6:46 In a deleted scene there was actually a reason for Alice to be so urgent in leaving. She had tackled the ginger guy in the party because he squashed the butterfly, and was running from the guards. That would have been better to include.
Nunya E. Bizznass's Edits Awww that butterfly died? I liked him
I'm guessing they decided not to add that scene due to the death of Alan Rickman
@@emmacrooke807 probably, but still, it would have been cool to see
Moral of the story: The hatter is a severe Drama Queen who will go to the lengths of DYING to make you do as he wishes. Yup. That’s about right.
BUT HE WAS SAAAAAD!!! 🤮🤮🤮
(and he was an ugly-as-sin attention whore who had Alice ready to let Time die).
Might as well change his name to The Whiny Hatter.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 **Wheeze** Good one
Oh you know, Wonderland! The land of parents being disappointed in their children, and where the monarchy has strict rules, and where hats are to conform to society, and where there is society in general, in fact! Don't you all remember!?!
_For me (In my adaptation)... Wonderland does have a society, but it's completely different. It has little to no decency. Little to no laws, little to no rules, little to no boundaries. The most ridiculous dresses from the runways are casual wear there, the biomes are very different and unique, it has its own set of laws of physics, its own bizarre atmosphere, and the global monarchy (Rulers of Wonderland) contains the King and Queen of Hearts. Two bloodthirsty tyrants who let Wonderland be ruled by chaos and like to decapitate everyone they see._
Underland
I read that as Yonderland for a second 😂
"You look like Pennywise about to french me" hahahahaha I can't breathe
Apparently there are people into that now.
You can't breathe but you can type?
"Kiss me fatboy!"
Don't you mean "Wa-ha! Wa-ha! Wa-ha!"?
5:52 Chinese culture was considered exotic and interesting back during the British Empire. Alice would have spent most of that night having people admiring her dress and request to buy it.
Doesn't change the fact it's ugly as sin.
Igorowan maybe by modern standards but back then, she'd have others swooning over that dress
Tavern Burner, Yeah taken into account she has been to places we were “visiting” I think most would overlook her unladylike attitude and want to hear about what she has seen.
Paladin Boyd it's like if we were shunning a austronaught wearing clothes from an alien civilization.
Tavern Burner, Yeah. It makes no sense.
Why couldn’t Alice go back to when The Hatter saw the thing that triggered his depression and just like move it
TIME PARADOX!!!
Keegan Stormblade But preventing his familys death to prevent his depression would also creat a paradox.
Ira Neff good point 😆
Nasty Neff Because that would be too smart for Alice
@@TheCobwebQueen but not for a raptor
I'm honestly surprised that Critic didn't mention that this was Alan Rickman's last film.
This movie was depressing enough how bad it was. Don't need to be reminded that it's a great actor's last work.
@@antonmasters8626 Well, the first film released in 2010 was Michael Gough’s last role as well.
He had a movie called “eye in the sky” costarring Helen mirren come about two months after this
@@hunterolaughlin It's funny that people like to point that Depp and Bonham Carter have been in a lot of Tim Burton Films, but never mention Gough, who has been in five(Batman, Batman Returns, Sleepy Hollow, Corpse Bride and Alice)
@@antonmasters8626 thank u
Underland was the original name Lewis Carroll used when he wrote the short story he later turned into the full book. He changed it to Wonderland later. It's one of the few times Tim Burton actually showed familiarity with the source material.
Huh, the more you know lol
"Wonderland" is definitely catchier.
....I learned something new today.
Cool, I had no idea!
There's a reason why Carroll changed the name.
Wellp, given how "female hysteria" was treated in the victorian age, that mental institute scene could have become a bit.......... not Disney friendly...
I'm a bit disappointed over how far I had to scroll to find this comment and the fact that NC didn't bring up this fact.
Given how female hysteria was treated in the Victorian age, I would be in no rush to leave.
Teri G And niether would Alice. XD
When I found out that the doctor was played by the Moriarty from BBC's Sherlock, I lost my shit laughing because a fangirl would stay and receive the "treatment"
A family picture
Actually, the point with Time making it 1 minute to tea time is kinda in the books.
Hatter felt he had offended time somehow and thus the Whole tea party was trapped at 1 minute to tea time for eternity. But that was part of hatters madness in the book and alices appearance changed nothing
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I would have sworn the Hatter was being punished for killing time.
RoseLaflesh If I recall correctly, the Queen of Hearts called for the Mad Hatter to be executed for “killing the time”. Time, out of respect to the Hatter, stopped herself permanently at teatime.
From the book
“We quarreled last March...it was at the great concert given by the Queen of Hearts, and I had to sing...Well I’d hardly finished the first verse....when the Queen bawled out ‘He’s murdering time!’ Off with his head!’...and ever since that....he wo’n’t do a thing I ask! It’s always six o’clock now”
The ....are where I cut out some side comments to streamline things.
But yeah time got pissed at the hater and made it so it’s always tea time for him.
Also I question how many people actually got beheaded on a regular basis as it was super easy for Alice to save the gardeners who painted the roses red in the book by hiding them. And several other characters who are supposed to be beheaded don’t for some reason or another including at one point the King pardoning them. The Queen yelling off with their head is an empty threat that’s part of the madness of wonderland more than anything. (Disney showing the cards getting dragged off to be executed misses the point of this, probably to make the queen more of a threat.)
"Give him some prozac, get him laid and watch Fresh Prince of Bel Air." Had me in stitches!
This was *most unorthodox*
There is orthodox and then there is unorthodox. This is most unorthodox.
The orthodox levels are most UN!
at some point, doesn't being "most unorthodox" end up being quite orthodox?
UNORTHODOX
you mean wonorthodox?
movie couldn't be a timeless classic because they added 'time' to the story
That's a good one.
😂time pun
Ha.
*ba dum tiss
🙄
When Sacha Baron Cohen acts way more subtle and lowkey than both Depp and Carter.
It helps that Time is also a better written character than both of them.
Well, considering how they treated 'female hysteria' back then... let's just say that wouldn't have been very kid friendly.
Lisa Plambeck How?
@@Lucy-nw4im really you don't know?
dimebag88m Well I’ve got a sense of an idea based on undertones and you’re reluctance, but I’d appreciate if you’d expand? If it’s what I suspect, then you can just say that.
@@Lucy-nw4im I could say it two ways, the way by not saying it directly or just saying it. So: 1. It is using a thing which is nowadays smaller (or depending if you want it being bigger, it can be bigger) which women use for pleasure and 2. They used one kind of a vibrator back then
exactly what I thought when he said 'hysteria'. was looking for that comment
Alice: What did you do to Wonderland?
Red Queen: Oh Alice. That's the beauty of it all. I didn't do anything. You did. Think Alice. Wasn't there some little good deed you might've done?
Alice: I saved someone. I saved them! I saved the Hatter's family!
Red Queen: Exactly. Break the sonic barrier, you create a sonic boom. You broke the time barrier. Time boom. Ripples of distortion radiated throughout history to shift everything just a little bit, but it was enough.
Alice: I just wanted Hatter to be happy.
Red Queen: How noble. Hatter's little hero. Oh wait, you didn't stop me from taking over Wonderland. Or stop the Jabberwock from killing everyone. You saved Hatter's family because he missed them. And in that supreme act of selfishness, you shattered history like a rank amateur, turning Wonderland into a living Hell moments away from destruction. And yet, I'm the villain?
If they had that dialogue in the movie, it would've made it so much better.
GI Jack This trashy sequel could’ve been much better if you wrote the script
Look Alice. Look at what you did.
Um, Flashpoint Paradox?
GI Jack It’s not Wonderland, it’s Underland
Thank you for posting this! I loved that scene so much!
*The mental institution* seems like a reference to *the American McGee game.* The scenery on the roof is like an exact copy of one of the areas of the game.
ai i, McGee version was better and would be a brilliant movie.
Kinda wish he finished the Oz project
speaking of mcgee
Well, Tamara is dressing up like American McGee's Alice
I've wanted that for years and years but all we got was Disney's dull crap.
It scares me that Tim Burton is making a Dumbo remake
MegaSoulHero WHAT!?
MegaSoulHero oh
Lord
Aw shit
oh god no
MegaSoulHero What ?!
“What’s that? Why yes, I’d love to play football with you. *GASP* Except I don’t have my tux!”
My sides hurt
Rhett Dilley Reminiscent of the movie, "The Room," where the men wore tuxedos or suits while playing football pass.
@@l0r3st0 no fucking shit
@@l0r3st0
Thanks for telling us the fucking obvious...
@@l0r3st0 Hahaha what a funny story L0r3st0
@@l0r3st0 Actually i think he meant 'The Background' where people wore swimsuits playing baseball.
If you switched Carrot Juice/Mad Hatter with Bill, I would gladly risk the fate of the entire world in order to make him happy. A world with a sad Bill is not a world worth existing
Maybe if they made a Split review then they could reveal that Bill is just one of the devils personalities along with Carrotjuice and of course, Benny
ΝΙΚΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΣ Mhm.
Amen
Well, it's not like Carrot Juice had many more lines.
That would be a great opportunity for all the Nostalgia Critic characters to appear. It would make no sense in the NC canon, but fuck that! I want the Neglectful Mother and Creepy Father to be alternate personalities to Doug and Tamara.
Would he be the Sad Hatter? Or the Mad Sadder? Or even the Sad Sadder?
starwars_gabe Hat Madder Hat Sadder Sad Madder
... Sir Sad Sadder of Sadderstill. >):^]
starwars_gabe ohh I enjoyed reading that lol I know I am very weird
...or the Sad Sacker, the Sad Sac (of shit).
In the book the mad hatter and March Hair were literally cursed by time to be never quite tea time.
That was the ONE thing that I as a fan of the book got SO excited about in this horrid movie.
I thought it wasnt a curse but a disagreement
They simply thought that they had angered the time but it wasn't confirmed by anyone else. Prooving their insanity and lack of logic. ^^
I was just about to make the same comment. Kudos to you for knowing the source material.
it was sort of a curse, the book said "the hatter was killing time, but time didn't like it"
You know what would have been a good movie? And 18 th century adventure movie about a older noble woman and her adventures teenage daughter travelling the high seas and seeing the wonders of the world. I would love to see that.
I would see it. AS LONG AS Alice doesn't go to Wonderland. That place is boring with too many rules.
NOT ME AND MY FRIEND CREATING A COMIC WITH THIS PREMISE ABOUT ALICE AND HER TWIN DAUGHTERS I'M--
Are you reading our minds? It certainly looks like it--
Alice In Wonderland is set in the 19th century, the 1800s. The 18th century was the 1700s. I know, it can be a little confusing.
Did anybody think to rewrite this movie’s plot? I mean, everyone in this movie is an idiot for risking everything they hold dear just because the Mad Hatter is sad! Unless he’s the one thing that keeps their world alive, none of this is worth anything!
Also, that tart issue that explains everything in the previous movie is pretty goddamn stupid.
Will 2139 yeah. I actually disagree with Doug on this film. While it may be closer to it's source material, the plot is 10x worse and makes no goddamn sense.
Well, they are meant to be mad, so maybe risking the world to cheer someone up works for them.
Will 2139 b-but the Hatter was saaaaaaaad!
I have to disagree with Doug in that this is really no closer to the source material at all.
I think he meant it closer more visually, rather than, well, everything else.
In the original Alice and Wonderland, the book states that both the hatter, the marsh hare and the dormouse believed that they had offended time and that it would always be five minutes till tea time. It was an attempt to contact the book to the film!
Connor Rivers Yep, when I saw this scene I was just like "Obnoxious riddles? Check. Time? Check. Tea? Check. This is basically a prelud to the book scene!"
That sounds like a funny idea but in this movie it feels kinda depressing... since eveything here is not as mad as the book
It's not that the idea is funny, but here it's depressing. Wonderland doesn't have any magic. It's a wonderful place, but there is no set of rules governing it, because that would be "sense".
So the idea of a mad hatter, a March heir and a little mouse acting like it's tea time all the time because "they angered time" is funny because it's absurd.
However once you actually have a being that has the power to make it so, that is terrifying. On closer inspection most superpowers are...
Thank you. I was going to point that out too.
Wouldn't a better plot be that Alice is institutionalize? And she wittness Wondela- Sigh UUUNDER LAND in mirrors and dreams making her question if it was real. Making Anderew Scott the villian even though he is doing his job as a doctor....If that is the plot to the video game I don't really know a lot about it.
You were close actually.
Manuel Alberto Romero Yeah I figured. Cause one it's my luck and two it did sound fimilar.
That’s WAY more interesting than THIS.
Also, something about them resetting time makes me wonder why this didn’t result in a Days-of-Future-Past ending?
Gamersmashlog Productions Uh that is a good point.
...so basically Sucker Punch.
Also, why is everyone whispering their lines? I could barely understand some of the actors.
Yeah, I hate it when they do that in movies.
@@bellametallica Trying to be seductive and edgy, I fucking guess?
When I was young I thought whispering while talking was an american thing because I would always see that in movies lol guess not
Thank you ! I felt like I was alone in that case.
...And since the doctor was played by Andrew Scott from Sherlock, we realize the entire story was just a scheme by Moriarty to gain control of Alice's family's assets.
So, he became a timelord
Can we talk about how dangerous the lesson in this movie this can be?! Giving up your dreams for your family for the simple reason that they're related to you?! That really bothers me. I have several friends that have toxic families that this lesson would be damaging to if they had seen it when they were younger.
leadingstrangeness I have some family members that I would LOVE to see get plowed by a semi
Oh NOW you complain about that message?
I don't think that was really the message they were going for. I think the message was more that you have to let go of some things in time in order to evolve and grow as a person. Alice and her mother kept what was most important to them (their ship, and Time himself as a friend), while the Hatter kept his eccentric style and his own family, which were most important to him. The Red Queen and Hamish are "toxic" characters who ultimately have to change, whether by choice or force, and learn that they cannot get what they want by coercing others into giving things up just so they can have power.
I know right?! That's actually really Toxic the more I think about it.
I really didn't like that the film made post-Jabberwock era just... England. That's it. Just look at the Hatter's family and the people around them. It doesn't feel like wonderland with everyone acting mad and goofy, it just feels like Victorian England with anthropomorphic add-ons. I thought the Hatter's family would be just as bright, wacky and colorful as him but no, they're totally normal and he's an outcast. What's fun about that? And he's suddenly depressed because he didn't apologize to his asshole father who's last words were "you're a disappointment"??I get his siblings and mother but even they really didn't do anything to stop the insults or try to keep him from leaving, they just stood by watching
"I think this might actually work.." Famous last words....
BUT THE HATTER WAS SAD!
Just get him to listen to some lofi hop and callit a day.
*BUT DUH HATTAH WAS SAAAAAAAAD!*
No one cares
Boo fuckety hoo
Not as sad as I was after witnessing this monstrosity.
I’ve tried 5 times to make it past 10 minutes.
I give up🙄😩
Remember how it was said the old Disney Animators droped Acid to inspire their work?.......You think they remember?
Emilio Reyes I member
Dylan Smith source?
It is kinda sad that the alice in wonderland made on acid had a more coherent plot than the new ones
@@altromonte15 We went an IMAX cinema to watch the first 'Alice' film by Burton!! It was in 3-D and we were sat near the front...........After 5 minutes in & for the rest of the film, both me & my partner actually thought we were watching a film while high on drugs.............I kept drifting into the film & going dizzy & disorientated and by the time the film finished, we still felt trippy going home!!!
The Disney Live Action films can be separated into 3 categories:
1) Where they cast a big name actor into a secondary or non protagonist role and rewrite the story around them. Example of this Maleficent, where the character that was supposed to be the embodiment of all evil is instead rewritten into the Big Good, not even an Anti-Hero, just the Big Good.
2) Where they cast a big name actor into the protagonist role and erase every flaw the character had in the original stories. He is just Mr. Goody Good At Everything That He Does Good. Examples of this Cinderella or Beauty and the Beast. Bonus points if you add "Ahead Of It's Time" and "Strong and Independent" as positive traits that are verbally informed by a 3rd character but are not exemplified at all during the movie.
3) Where they have an ensemble of big name actors playing opposite roles, so you end up having neither heroes nor villains and as a result, no story, just Good Guys and Misunderstood Good Guys going through a series of events. As exemplified by this movie
1) Even as a Kid I never saw Maleficent as the embodiment of all Evil. Petty and vindictive sure. Evil not so much. She was kind of a boring character with no depth. Like Umbridge really " I don't like you so you're going to suffer"
In the live action remake her character was interesting. She had purpose an a reason. She wasn't just being petty and spiteful she had actual reasons to hate Aurora's family and to want to cause them great pain. I mean shit the PTSD alone. Damn.
Plus with as flaky as the fairies in the original were this one made more sense of how three women that grossly incompetent didn't accidentally kill Aurora.
Watching it was like watching a version where after Dumbledore admits he knew he was putting Harry in an abusive home "condemning you to years of darkness" and Harry actually goes "Wait what the fuck did you just say?" instead of "yes sir"
+Jack Faire: I gotta agree that I liked what they did with Maleficent, and I enjoyed the movie, but at the same time I can see the criticisms that in the effort to make her a more developed and likable character other characters ended up suffering (i.e. turning the king into a insane man is one thing but giving his side of the story no real resolution as he dies with barely a word with Maleficent is another, plus turning the other fairies into incompetent idiots, and so on). It would have been an even better movie if they had spread the characterization effort around more.
Plus, big name into a secondary character who should be just that, secondary character, but they shadow over the main character. (Every Johnny Depp movie ever?) Really sorry for my english, I'm really tired.
Where's The Jungle Book fit in those? Because it was nothing like any of that.
So how come she had no money being a merchant and traveling around the world (wasn't that the whole reason to travel -> to make money). Why would no one tell Alice that in changing the past she would destroy the world (or similar to it), and how could the script justify that Alice realized she can't change the past and still tried doing it ....?
I do not know. Sorry.
I like how the psychiatrist in the mental ward is Moriarty from Sherlock. Ironic really....
I feel bad for Mr. McGee. Disney stole his script for his first Alice game and the design ideas to half of the levels to his second Alice game.
Just... Go play those. It's so much more fantastically insane. And fun.
Thank God! After seeing the movie, I came home to read the reviews and was utterly surprised that nobody mentioned the looks of it, WHICN ARE CLEARLY A RIP-OFF OF MADNESS RETURNS.
You have your fall from the sky; bright forest level aka Vale of Tears; the steampunk level (Hatter's Domain and in this case Time's castle); a bit of oriental in her dressing (Oriental Grove); an asylum; and even a red, looking like a bunch of veins Queen's place (of course they couldn't go out there and make it all flesh and blood like Queensland, that would mess with child-friendliness of the flick).
Shameless af.
Dastvan His mom was inspired by a friend who called her daughter America
Kate Sirko
But there is a huge difference, Madness Returns had a good story and characters and was coherent as well as clever in it's rules and visuals.
I want you to look carefully at the designs here and ask yourself: "Does this look familiar? Have I seen this before?"
Because all of these designs are carbon copies of the McGee game.
Disney just stole the designs.
Stop me if this sounds familiar: Alice returns to Wonderland as an adult, discovers the Queen of Hearts took over and that everything is shit, and that she needs to stop the queen and get Wonderland back to normal according to the caterpillar's prophecy.
And I just described the plot of the game! Not the film!
Just because Disney copy the designs doesn't mean they did a good job copying it.
GrimSister well Tim did originally want to do am adaptation of the game. Problem is that's not marketable. Disney didn't want it dark, yea it's time Burton you get dark whether you like it or not, but they didn't want it pitch black.
I honestly don't think an adaptation of the games is a smart choice either, because most game movies suck balls. But also because no one is going to get it except the fanbase of the games, which is so small that the games are pretty obscure and can be considered hidden gems. So a movie on McGee's world would have also flopped at the box office.
That Castlevania music break when running on the gears in the clocktower was perfection. 10/10.
I didn't know what game that was, but I was guessing a mega man game
jason campbell Lol Good one.
Marc Taylor: Thank you! That was driving me crazy!
That's the tune "Vampire Killer", oddly enough one of tunes you never hear in the various versions of the Clock Tower.
Marc Taylor I laughed way harder than I should have but it was great.
You could make the argument that Time (the character) isn't a bad guy - he's just trying to get the chronosphere back so he can stop the end of the world.
Time and everything involving him was my favorite thing about the movie.
@@generalstaal7075 Time was probably the only thing I really loved about this movie - plus, he's a lot less godawful creepy-looking than the Hatter. I liked how he was revealed to be more of a good guy in the end who was just doing his job, and how he became friends with Alice. There was actually some character development there. I could see Burton getting Vincent Price to play Time if the movie had been made a couple of decades earlier.
"Did you steal the tarts?"
You are a tart dear sister
Could you imagine if Disney did a modern Alice just like the original? Super abstract, weird, fucked up in a way, crazy. That would instantly be beloved by everyone. I can hear people at work talking about how weird and trippy it is and how they've never seen anything like it. It would be noticed.
Just let the director of Thor Ragnarok (I can't spell his name) direct it. I would pay good money to see that movie.
I dunno, Taika Waititi might have the design sensibility (seriously how hard is it to spell that? You could do a quick Google search), but if he directed an Alice in Wonderland movie, the dialogue would probably be 80% improv where everyone talks the same and references stuff like Shake Weights (I didn't really like Thor: Ragnarok that much, can you tell?)
They should just do a "American Mcgee's alice" live action movie :D
Really twisted, really dark. xD
THAT is what we need.
Id never skip an ad again if they were all done by Doug.
What I would do for a Alice McGee film.
I'd watch that.
Same here, though I hear he's funding a 3rd game for the series; I think it's still up but yeah I would like to see an American McGee's Alice movie, least those games stick close to the dark tone of the original books
I hope It gets as dark as the first one. The second one was good but the best was the first
guys, on American's McGee's Alice wikia there's info already about the game, as well as some illustations
Paladin Boyd if it was adapted well I would watch it or if it was a game I would be interested: cause to be honest it got the madness and psychotic tones right
The moral of the story:
Someone bring depressed immediately calls for meddling with time
My problem with this movie was the breakneck pace. So many things were happening so quickly you never got a chance to breathe. So many people were talking at once I suddenly got confused and I never had a chance to sort things out. This comes down to the principle of "Scenes and Sequels." A scene has a goal, conflict and a resolution. Sequels are what you have after a scene. Then you oscillate between the two. "Sequels" include emotion, a dilemma, and a decision but the sequels the main purpose is to slow everything down so that you can digest what happened. There were no sequels in this movie. Just action scene>action scene>action scene>etc.
Another thing that pissed me off is that the trailer looked like it was the best movie on the planet! I was sorely disappointed. How can they make such a big piece of crap look so damn good?
I can't remember which movie it was, but I've definitely seen at least one where the trailer was amazing and the movie was junk. How'd they do it? The scenes from the trailer were the *only* good scenes in the whole thing.
16:15 This actually came up in the book -the Hatter claims he argued with Time and now it's always teatime for him, hence his endless tea party. Whether this really happened or it's just a figment of the Hatter's imagination is never revealed, but either version makes sense in Wonderland.
8:12 If Alice teamed up with Marty McFly to stop Biff Tannen and the Red Queen and sing Johnny Be Good at the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance that would be kinda awesome. 😄
15:19 This was actually in the original book. Time put the Mad Hatter and March Hare at the table in an ever-lasting time loop so that they could never leave. But the whole 'Alice freeing them' thing is made-up for this film and is a bit stupid.
Exactly! At least I *knew* that when first watching this review. For somebody who’s a self-proclaimed fan of the classic Alice novels, Doug really does miss some points from the books that he should know. He really needs to read the books more closely.
@@hunterolaughlin just unfulfilled expectations. All they had to do was stop pretending that they were making a “Through the looking glass” movie, and simply title it something like, “Alice’s Untold Adventures in Wonderland” and it might’ve been at least forgivable
I feel like the first movies 'success' was a fluke born of people's curiosity and a shit ton of marketing. Just like with TMNT and SMURFS.
shadowspider9 pretty much
That's why i went to see the first: the creator of edward shissorhands and nightmare before xmas plus the story of alice in wonderland?? Omg yes give give give! ... so much disappointment 😭
At least the Alice movies have gorgeous visuals. Some people don't care about the story and just want to see a beautiful spectacle.
Then go watch a screen saver. I don't expect every movie to be some kind of high art and am fine with them being even toilet humor, but i do expect them to be coherent. If your paying 15 bucks just to see pretty CGI visuals your wasting your money.
Tim Burton has serious daddy issues, eh? The line about father/son disapointment with the hatter is I think ipsis litteris the Willy WOnka´s remake
lamanticora
Oompa Loompa doobity doo
Burton’s working through his daddy issues
He should have not even messed the plot
but did his way rather you like it or not
If good having good would of worked a little harder
And not just cast Depp and Bonham Carter
Lewis Carroll would’ve kicked him right in the jewels
Oompa Loopa Doopity doooooooo!!!
A lot of his movies center around daddy issues like beetlejuice, Edward scissorhands, Charlie and the choc., corpse bride and that’s only to name a few
@Adrijana Radosevic isn't that the plot for every 90's sitcom?
Burton has Daddy issues, Disney has Mommy issues, no wonder they get along so well. :)
As someone struggling with self worth, I'd tell the father to go sod off and just be thankful he HAS a son who wants to make him proud.
Did we just get the cure for everything?
Prozac (+Xanax optional) + get laid + binge _Fresh Prince of Bel-Air_
YOU FORGOT TO SUBTRACT THE SAD EPISODE!
"You look like pennywise about to french me"
*WHEEEZE* IT GETS ME EVERYTIME
That triggers me
Willy Wonka who got too drunk to find a job so he became Ronald McDonald X"D oh my god. Good one. Bravo. 👏
Oh indeed
The original book does speak of the hatter getting in a quarrel with time (not a what, a he!) last March before the hare went mad, and is thus stuck at tea time so they almost got that right
I honestly love the fact this movie bombed, the first one was released when a lot of big names attached to it were at their peak-ish, Johnny Depp, Helena Carter, Tim Burton as well as Avril Lavigne, not to mention the Hot Topic crowd and people who nowadays cosplay as Deadpool and Harley Quinn, surrounded the first one like moths to a flame. Now they tried to recapture that lightning in a bottle and were left scratching their heads wondering what the hell happened.
Igorowan
Wait, Avril Lavigne was in it?
nope. but she sang the theme song from the movie.
I said attached to, she wrote the song Alice that played on the credits, that doubled as a promotion for the movie and for herself.
Actually it didn't bomb. It just didn't do as much as the 1st film.
jake hilado I thought that was Pink
"I will strangle you with my bonnet" has become one of my favorite lines everXD
So Amos Diggory is sad... I mean the Mad Hatter... and Albus Potter... I mean Alice travels back in time to save Cedric... I mean the Hatter's family, almost screwing up the space-time continuum...
Stop it! You're upsetting the dementors and ruining Voldemort Day!
Why does Hatter alone look like a clown while everyone else in his family tree looks like a regular person
Avocado Smash It's called makeup
Because it’s Johnny Depp
That’s what I was wondering.
(in light of some comments down here) American McGee didn't do a better adaptation of the book. He dropped the adaptation pretense altogether, took all of the original material he could and rearranged it to make a whole new story that could translate easily into a video game. It makes sense because that's exactly what Wonderland is for Malice in the video game itself ; it's her escapist post-post-modern symbolist fantasy. It's grim but her reality is grimmer. It's fantastical, but her real life is absurd. It manages to even have biting cultural comments (like the books did !) by not trying to translate or modernize the original ones, and instead finding new ones that are more universal.
McGee's loving disrespect for Lewis Carroll is key. Alice throwing a child molester under a train exemplifies it best.
The story is relateable you dont know how many times i almost destroyed the world beacuse my friend was sad!!!!
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I'm saaaaaad
WoopWoopWhapped!, Have a anti depressant we are not time travelling.
Paladin Boyd But they're saaaaaaaad:(
Nikola Zajícová, Take the pill you’ll be fine.
Paladin Boyd Welp, too late, the entire world is ending.
Nikola Zajícová, Well unend it.
That Fresh Prince of Bel Air reference is a fact
HoneyBunni22 Thats Not the ONLY Depressing Episode tough, Remember the one where will got SHOT and Carlton got an Actual Gun To Protect Himself....That was dark as fuck
what episode was he referring to?
Ryan Montgomery The One Where Will's Father Returns....only to abandon him....AGAIN!!!! 😡
I didn't like it because it seemed anti-gun or at least anti-Second Amendment. Simply because of what happened to Will. I could be wrong though. Maybe I need to watch it again.
How couldn't you make a Moriarty joke? Wherever Andrew Scott appears he's just Moriarty. No other character, just Jim everywhere.
lmaoooo
Honey, you should him in a crown
19:04 Does anyone want to know how they treated Female Hysteria?
Well I'm not going to say it but the Vibrator was invented because doctors' hands were getting too tired from treating it.
......... You're not saying what I think you're saying...... Are you?
If you are, what was so bad about being diagnosed with hysteria again?
@@captainbirch9835 that's exactly what's being said.
That treatment doesn't sound so bad, for either parties involved
so idiotic
Also back then the vibrator was steam powered.
To be faaaair, the Hatter being literally stuck in teatime was from the book
DarthRushy True
He thought he was stuck, but he was not actually stuck, he was present during alice's trial
Riley Prowd Thats what he believes
Time actually saved the mad hatter. In the book it was revealed that the hatter was to be executed for singing out of time during a concert for the Queen of Hearts. Time took pity on the hatter and made it so that it would always be tea time and the hour of his execution would never come to pass.
Nah, the Hatter was killing Time by singing poorly and so he got cross and stuck him in teatime as I recall
Alice: “And I was in a mental institution...”
Teacher: “Now that I believe...”
Me: So Disney’s live action vault?
The 'Teacher' was actually her sister!
JakeSpacePirate E oh, I didn’t know
i can't wait to see the critic tear apart the beauty and the beast live action remake. that'll be awesome
Moth Ski eagerly awaiting
I'm more impatient for Snow White and The Hunter tbh
I am DYING for him to talk about the 101 Dalmatians remake and its sequel. That's some awkward nostalgia right there.
He already reviewed it
I'd love for him to review that but its not going to be in Disney remake month and Snow White as the Huntsman wasn't made by Disney.
18:06 I think that line is meant to say that changing the past is impossible as it will always correct itself so the major events will still happen. The only way that won't work is if your past and present self meet. So, regardless of if Alice was there or not, the Red Queen would still hit her head.
That 'Twat!' Was so American in an otherwise good British accent. 😂😂😂
The moment I heard her say, "Chronosphere", I thought Kane was going to show up.
Kane who ?
+Trolmaster -
Look up "Soul Reaver," and "Blood Omen" some time, you'll know then...
Or death from darksiders 2
Kane Bravo The technology of PEACE!!!
IN THE NAME OF KANE! KANE LIVES IN DEATH!
Actually, Critic, if I recall correctly Mad Hatter *indeed* was forced (by some mad logic) to party all the time. It was not *just* fun activity.
heros271 Yeah, it was very briefly mentioned in the book. Hatter says that he had an argument with Time and Time cursed him to be stuck there until she showed up.
Thank you, someone remembered.
However in the book, it wasn't clear if The Hatter actually pissed of time or that it was something The Hatter made up due to him being mad. However, I don't think Alice being there somehow fixed it like it did in the movie.
Exactly this.
During "A Mad Tea Party" (chapter 7 of Alice's Adventure's in Wonderland) the Hatter mentions that Time is a male person, and
"We quarreled last March"[...]"And ever since that,[...]he won't do a thing I ask! It's always six o'clock now."
(Alice then infers that this is why they're having a never-ending tea party, which the Hatter confirms).
Sure, it's a very, very literal interpretation of the source material, but it's not like this is something the screenwriters pulled out of their asses just to dampen the sense of whimsy.
well i mean its perfectly clear in the book that all that happened was his watch broke and stopped at six o'clock and of course mad hatter believed he should spend his life doing a teaparty. because hes nuts and illogical
Time: The past can’t be changed go away
Alice: I’m about to ruin this mans whole career
I still believe this movie was originally someone's fanfiction
Cathar5i5 so was shades of gray and it made loads of money
Ciara n smokie doesn't mean it's good
Cathar5i5 Hollywood will always exploit whatever is popular, regardless of its quality.
At least this isn't a movie based on My Immortal
logan johnson I dunno what that is, but I'm sure that would suck.
What the fuck is Moriarty doing in this movie?!
Thank you for noticing. This is the first comment I've seen mentioning this and idk why but I feel like this is REALLY important.
Poor Andrew Scott will always be cast trapped into Moriarty’s character.
He would've been a better Mad Hatter than Johnny Depp, tbh.
OH MY GOD NOW I NEED ANDREW SCOTT AS MAD HATTER
YO ANDREW SCOTT AS THE MAD HATTER WOULD BE SICK
Ugh, this movie seems awful (and awfully pointless). Kudos to the Castlevania reference partway through the video!
Should have played Clockwork from Castlevania 3.
26:01 That was the best ending to a review series about live action versions of Alice In Wonderland that never really happened, it was just nothing but a dream that felt like an eternity.
The Multiple Most Unorthodox killed me 😂😂😂
Nikel 12 saaaaame
Due to all the time travel this movie really needed a rather unorthodox most unorthodox paradox
Nah the large teeth/monocle gag after was better
kicksex NEEHUHUHUHUHUHU
How
"Everyone is a terrible person" in #Underland
While Everyone is an interesting person in #Wonderland
ccateni 28 So true lol
American McGee understood Alice better than Tim Burton does.
Crash Kinkaide so does derpy
Crash Kinkaide again new game coming soon he has a go fund me page
A good way to sum up this movie:
The Hatter sees a piece of paper in his yard. "AAH, MY PARENTS"
I am bit disappointed they didn't show the time period accurate CURE for "female hysteria". For those of you who don't know what it is... it is a vibrator.
...WTF. 0_0
HORRIOR it was lobotomy actually
No I think that was the cure for schizophrenia.
They made a film about it in 2011, called Hysteria.
Lobotomies didn't exist in the victorian era
If you look out the window , you can see Lewis Carol's grave stone rocketing skywards while his body starts rotating around multiple axis.
When i first hear that burton was making alice in wonderland i thought it would have a feeling that the game had. Breaching the line between reality and alices dreams. Imagine a litle abused girl in 18th c. To cope with her dark reality she begins imagining a beutifull world were she can be happy, she cant have a dress so in her dreams she has a beutifull dress, i think there are already theories and lots of explanations how original was about mental health, you could do it the same way pulling back the veil behind the dream, with the characters of wonderland being reflections of reality, you could even show it geting darker as alice grows up to represent her fractured psyche. You could even explore the problems of those days like lack of proper mental care and how asylums often made the pasients worse.
I nEvEr GeT iNvOlVeD iN pOlItIcS
Proceeds to get involved in every political movement in Wonderland or Underland
@@oliverbean6955 Middleland*
@@oliverbean6955 Lol
I feel like it could have been a tad better if Underland's safety or whatever was dependant on the Hatter's mood and the whole ending the world thing wasn't there. It gives incentive for her to go and there's no bigger sacrifice to make. I mean, that sounds shitty, but it still seems a bit better than this convoluded mess.
Remind me please. Why does the NC advertise a tuxedo delivery service again? How did this happen?
"He criticizes and analyzes movies and cartoons with geeky content or nostalgic value? That's the kind of face we need for our tuxedo business!!!"
*snickers* Oh I dunno because geeks go to Prom too? Because a Tuxedo is a piece of clothing and people aren't only one thing. You act like Tuxedos are diametrically opposed to this channel.
Now if he were the "I hate Tuxedos Critic" then yeah totally advertising Tuxedos would make no sense.
Pe pi Because the tux is kind of an iconic part of his character
Jack Faire, I didn't mean to say that he shouldn't do it. It just striked me as strange and I was wondering if there's maybe some context to it.
Because of the Adpocalypse. He can either downsize his company or do host-read ads as part of the content of the video.
Well, there are a few different possibilities. The two most likely are 1) He has a lot of subscribers and viewers, so they company sees it as reaching a large audience or 2) Some data mining somewhere found that many viewers of this channel have also doing onine searches for tuxedos, resulting in this actually being a form of targeted advertising.
Dropping my book, a new episode of Nostalgia Critic!
Ginja Ninja watcha readin’???
What book?
Beast from X Men will be angry with you Ginja Ninja
Better finish your book, R.R. Martin
oh... it's not Martin, go ahead Ninja
Was just planning on getting a audio book of Ready Olayer One.
If I remember correctly, Time cursing the Hatter and friends to always endure a tea party was something that happened. It wasn't for that reason, but the Hatter did royally piss off Time. Also, if memory serves, it was constantly tea time, not a "minute before"
Is it just me or is anyone else scared that Tim is going to turn Dumbo into a story about a raging alcoholic anthro elephant in slavery time US and give the crows more screen time?
The live action "Lion King": Scar is the gay hero lion and the hyenas are oppressed minorities who kill off the lions, including the insane, inbred Simba and create a perfect utopian communist state. It still grosses $3 billion worldwide, because everyone is stupid. ;D
Get him some prozac and show him the Fresh Prince of Belair; except that one episode.
Rachel Johnson it's wouldn't be a popular comedy if it didn't have some sad episodes in it.
What about the episode with wills dad? That was a sad one
Lasse Larsen thats the one shown. The hug is the ending when will is crying
Wow. Thanks, im cured now. A+ advice
Haha
When I imagine this movie, I imagine this Alice looking through a window. Through the window is a copy of the original Alice in Wonderland with the books.
21:59 White Queen: "I don't feel so good"
SHUT UP DON'T MAKE ME CRY
Wrong movie
@@jamiefairest9109 they're both owned by the same company, so it counts.
fucking moonwalkin' bitch yeah, but the White Queen freezes. She doesn’t turn to dust. Plus, we have Endgame. Infinity War was last year
I fell apart at the Sweeny Todd reference
Technically time was in the books as the Mad Hatter mentioned that he granted the Mad Hatter and the March Hare longer lives as time moved more slowly when you have fun. Though it was unclear if Time was an actual person or if it was a delusion.
Why would there be delusions in Wonderland ? It has talking opium addicted caterpillars and a walking talking deck of cards that plays crokay with hedgehogs for balls and flamingos for clubs. Why would the literal physical incarnation of the personified essence of time itself be to much a stretch?
Besides being an author Lewis Carol was also a mathematician. Some have suggested that the entire story is actually a critic of non Euclidian geometry
I thought it was drugs. Drugs were popular among the upper and middle classes back then.