A few of you have also pointed out how (during Veruca's song) Wonka had the Oompa Loompas throw a framed image of Veruca's MOTHER down the garbage chute. It's funny, but... Uhh... How on Earth did he have a pic like that sitting around? Also, the Oompa Loompas pre-recorded Mike’s song on the television, further proving it CANNOT be improvisation.
The Theorizer just because it's extremely close to the book doesn't mean it'll turn out good. And it didn't at all the original is a cult classic while the remake is I stain on Tim burtin. I'd rather have the original charlie because he's much more down to earth and that selfishness gives weight with the final scene of Charlie handing over the gobstopper. The remake charlie was stupid it was like he was fucking Jesus that's not relatable. You wanna know why Wonka does all the shit he does? Like you said he's psychologically damaged and mentally insane even by the end. Also targeted child injury maiming and death. YOU KNOW FOR KIDS. THIS MAKES ROSEDALE ORIGINAL BOOK SADISTIC AND CREEPY
The Theorizer What about Dr. Doophismurch (from Phineas and Ferb) and his tragic backstory and him being a mad man doomed to be yin and yang with his brother, the mayor. Just do it, you don't have to do the man theroy
Zero which kid died? none of the 4 bad kids did. it doesn’t show the 4 kids later but they do in the book and in burton’s version. i think agustus was the best off. from being squeezed in the pipe, he lost tons of weight in the book
Johnny depp to me really showed willy wonka in a new light, not the dreamy good fantasy person that was portrayed in the first film but someone who is extremely manipulative and almost creepy in a way that when u watch it u can see the theory and the real darkness under his character. Depp was fantastic at it
Yea I actually disagree. Gene wilders portrayal is much more menacing. Depp just seems to be a little odd and unaware in his approaches. Like he’s awkward because he’s a candy loving genius. Depp isn’t some deranged looney, he means well. On the other hand, Wilder is awkward on purpose because he knows exactly what is happening. He barely says a word at all to the parents after they go into the tunnel. He’s far more seemingly intentional with his awkwardness and overall madness.
@@Phishegghead mmmmm yeah no, so you never read the book you can just say that. Again, Johnny played Willy Wonka THE BEST period. Everything about how he played Wonka was perfect, and he even explained in an interview he purposely put on an almost TV host voice, he was intentionally changing it to be hiper, not because he was playing the character, but because his character was playing a character. Genius. Like whenever I hear people talk about the old version, it just sounds like they don't like the book, and it's nostalgic honestly.
I love this version, Johnny Depp is brilliant as Willy Wonka, everything he does makes you wonder if he is really a good person or the villain of the movie. I also had a huge crush on him when I was little and I see nothing has changed. This is one of the few movies that I could watch a thousand times and never get bored.
luna kim coz he’s just as creepy in real life. He’s a murderer you know.... ghost adventures covered it and I’ll bet he’s on the Eppstein shitlist of weirdos too
I’ve always had a bad feeling in my gut when I’ve watched it as a kid. Like there was something terrifying about how those kids behaved and also about how he reacted to them. He kinda acted like a maniac, never trying to fix their behavior or reacting to it emotionally (not even with anger). It was just a little game for him, because he knew who’s gonna be winner.
Well not trying to say he isn't a little creepy but he DID warn the kids...literally all of them.It's just nobody listens to him.Probably because all of them finds him quite odd.
Also what else can he does except warning the kids to sin? Shaking their shoulders and telling them to stop in front of their parents/guardians? Kick them out of the factory even though he went through a lot to plan all this?And would the kids even let him kick them out that easily?I don't think so.
This actually makes a lot of sense. And none of the kids died. Augustus could have easily drowned in the chocolate river, but of course he didn't because Wonka planned all of it. He knew the pipe was gonna come and save him because he planned it all out.
notice how at the beginning of the movie when wonka packages each of the golden tickets, and he gently pats the last one before they're sent out? he knew that was the bar that would go to charlie
Actually it's more likely that ticket goes to Veruca, the box that particular conveyor leads to gets addressed to London. It's safe to assume that each conveyor only has one destination for the boxes because after they are packed, the boxes go directly in the trucks, and the trucks only carry boxes for one location as shown on the nearest truck which only has boxes addressed to Tokyo.
I noticed Willy Wonka also never address the bad kids by their names. He calls them “little girl” or “little boy”. The only kid he addresses by their name is Charlie. 🤔
Also Mike, since he's "the little devil that cracked the system". In fact when the kids all first enter the factory he's the only one who gets called out by name, he says Charlie "just lucky to be here".
Voethia yea :/, it’s still sad cause I see they bring down this version of the film but I find the new version better knowing Ronald Dahl would have appreciated this version better
@@101greekboy Even his _wife_ claimed that he'd like this version more, since the 70's version apparently pissed off Roald Dahl so much he said to never make another until after he was frickin' _dead._
this becomes more messed up when you realize each of the four bad kids were victims of abuse or niglect from there parents. not a theory, just makes it more messed up that they suffer because of what there parents turn each of them into. agustus: was never taught to think about what you eat. in fact his parents encouraged his unhealthy habits this lead to him become so food obsessed. violet: was exploited by her father/mother for fame. you can argue she enjoyed the attention but be real when dose any kid going into fame reeally understand what there getting into. when she stole the gum her parent was the only one who didn't freak out or try to do something the parent not once told her to stop when wonka said so (they should know better.) and she suffered because of it. her parent depending on the adaptaionmay not even care being more upset that "they got a blueberry for a daughter." or in the musical's case be excited to exploit there blue berry daughter until... something happens (I'm not saying what happens in case people want to find it on youtube. Be warned if you do find it the musical gose down a EXTREAMLY dark route when it comes to the kids. personally I'd recomend not watching it with kids.) vuruca: I don't think I have to say it but her father spoiled her rotten. yes, this is abuse it just gose in the opisite direction as her famly smothers her to the point she expects it from everyone and is eventlly yanked down by wonka. I do feel bad for her dad though out of all the parents he probly really loved his daughter. I mean considoring her smothered her so much he clearly wanted her to have a good life even if it got out of hand. By doing this though he ended up turning her into the mess we all know mike tv: this is probley the least descussed case of abuse as its offten over shadowed by the whole "tv rots your brain" part of the story. but its literly stated in the book that mike was rased by the tv. his parents did NOTHING to properly rase there kid. This to me falls under neglect and explains the problems mike has. he was never taught to properly interact with people, he had to grow up faster then most people and he developed so many more problems. His parents never bothered to intervine and he became a mess without any guidence in the right direction or receiveing the right help. I don't even think they bothered to put him through school. out of all of the kids he's the worst one as, due to not haveing time to be a child he became a tiny anti social violent (depending on the verson of the story) desensitized adult who can't interact with others and thinks he knows better then the adult aroung him. don't get me wrong the kids shouldn't have acted the ways they did but the parents are resposeable for all of it. they did get punnished for it though. Seeing this awful stuff happening to their kids and knowing their resposeable is a awful thing. knowing your kid wouldn't be in this mess if you rased them differently or stoped it before it got out of hand. Still I have to aknowlage not every parent actully cares about there kid. This is why as much as I enjoy the first adaptation I can't love it as a adaptation because these theams weren't tackled as well in that film. this isn't just a warning to kids its a warning to the parents of those kids to. I cana see why people were un happy as these this weren't even taught about I will say if you think wonka was trying to kill the kids cheak out the musical. lets just say its not book acurete. edit: more proof it was planed is that the kids always servive in both this film and the book they are seen leaving. even in the first adaptation wonka says their okay.
@Natalie and to add about Violet’s mother, remember the scene where all the kids and their parents walk out of the factory, Violet states that she’s more flexible, but her mother just brushes it off and says “but you’re still blue” then continues walking, disappointment on her face.
Maybe that’s why they added willy wonkas father into the 2005 version, to give him a reason to have a weird relationship to parents, maybe it was the parents he wanted to teach a lesson to, for bringing their kids up badly,(although it does seem bad that in order to teach the parents a lesson, the children have to get hurt) just like his own father brought it him up badly and wonka being proof of his fathers neglect.
In the books it said that Charlie walked past the chocolate factory every single day after school and he would stop and smell the chocolate everyday so it would make sence that Willy Wonka would have been able to see Charlie do that every day and then saw him walk to his little house that was just up the road. Willy Wonka already knew where Charlie lived and probably felt bad because bad for firing Charlie's grandpa
I honestly love Violet more than Charlie himself or any of the other children because even though Violet is an arrogant bitch, she's also someone who has GOALS AND A CLEAR purpose in her life, she's still young and she already knows what she wants to do with her life, which is something that many grown ups don't even know, even though they are adults and they should know what they want to do with their lives, Violet knows that if she wants to be the best of the best, she has to work hard and before you tell me that Violet acted like an entitled spoiled brat, she also showed a lot of skill when it comes to showing off her ability to kick asses and I bet that Violet didn't become such a skilled fighter in a matter of days or weeks, she had to train hard for a couple of years to earn every medal she has earned and Violet also shows to feel a deep passion for what she does, she truly loves karate and martial arts and it's prerty clear that she knows what she wants and she knows how to achieve it. She's arrogant but she has a fiery temper and unlike Verucca Salt, Violet is very independent and she doesn't sit down and expects her mom to do everything for her, she actually tries to get involved in the process of getting what she wants, regardless of how others think of her. I also feel the same for Mike Teeves, even though he always actwd like an arrogant asshole, he showed that when it comes to technology and mathematics, he must be the smartest kid in his class, he might be an addicted to playing violent videogames butvwhen he spole about the teleporting machine that Willy Wonka built, Mike showed that there was more to him than just his addiction to videogames and arrogant attitude, Mike showed that he had a deep passion for science and technology and if his father knew how to encourage Mike to use those talents for something good instead of letting his child become a total addicted to violent videogames, Mike could actually become a very successful engineer, scientist or the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Say what you want about Mike but that child was talented. I could never stand Verucca Salt because she was, at least in my eyes, the only brat who had no talent, someone who thought that just because she was born as a rich girl, she deserves to be given everything without people asking her to give back something in return, she does nothing to earn what she has and she orders and bosses everyone around her to do her dirty work, at least Violet could kick asses and had talent for martial arts and other athletic stuff and had a more independent personality, maybe because her own pride didn't allow Violet to be seen as weak and she wasn't lazy at all but Verucca was a self-absorbed brat that unlike Mike or Violet, she was just an insufferable brat who would be nothing if it wasn't for her father always cheating and tricking everyone to give Verucca everything she wanted, even if she didn't truly deserve it. As for Augustus (the fat boy who was an addicted to eat 24/7), I don't hate him but I don't love him either, I think that Willy Wonka was a little cruel to him because Augustus didn't do anything wrong actually and he was just a boy who needed a more strictly discipline when it comes to how much he can eat for his own wellfare and to keep him as healthy as possible but Augustus wasn't as insufferable as Verucca, Mike or Violet. Charlie might have been the starring character but he was too perfect to be relatable, I know that there are kids who are kind and noble but Charlie was way too perfect and had almost no flaws at all, which makes him a character to whom is really hard to feel related because of how flawless he is
Maria Fernanda Isturiz Barajas My argument for the 2005 Charlie is that no matter what, the story is still fiction, so Roald Dahl could write Charlie however he wanted, and he wrote him like that to show he was different from the other kids and why he deserved it. It’s not about him being relatable, it’s of him being the most deserving out of the five kids. And sure, he didn’t write the 2005 movie, but his wife did. She probably knew just as much as he did about the book, hence why the 2005 was closer to the book as a whole, including Charlie. ESPECIALLY Charlie
i remember specifically that exact part of the scene when augustus falls in the chocolate river... the way wonka stared at the tubes as they came out to suck up the chocolate disturbed me so much but i never wanted to think about why because it scared me.
Cuz people don’t like new stuff when there was an original in their childhood 🙄 Personally I grew up on the 1st one, but I grew to love the Depp version loads more 🥰 it’s so funny and it makes u think about wonkas true motives 😂 the 1st one is so boring now 😴
Something I will point out. Once he closed the factory, he could've easily known who he was firing due to the files of each worker. In order to achieve his plan, he needed an heir, so when he saw Pre-Grandpa Joe get fired, he knew he had to make it up to him. He seemed to favor Joe in the flashback as well, giving a chocolate bird to him. He needed to not raise suspicion, but he regretted firing Joe as he probably was a secondary parental figure to him. He chose Charlie for more than just an heir. He wanted a family. A family that would accept him for the genius that he was and would eventually pass down that genius. He had no social life as a child too, so a relationship was out of the question.
I always knew Willy Wonka remembered him, but he thought most of them betrayed him, which caused him to be wary of Charlie's grandpa and other people working there so he fired them. I thought when he asked the question if he had betrayed him and the grandpa said no, is when he realized that he wasn't betrayed by a friend and was glad to have him back. I wouldn't have thought what you did, though.
@@jessica1lopez not only that, but when Grandpa Joe was asked about stealing the recipe, he was so sincere about not stealing it with a simple "no, sir." Wonka could've been suspicious and pressed on, but he was so quick to believe him and feel relieved that he didn't do it.
@@marshalllee6853 that's true. He could have keep on asking or ask Charlie what he knew about Willy Wonka that his grandfather told him. He also could have kept the grandfather outside, just in case what happened before didn't happen, and had someone else come in with Charlie.
Willie Wonka, The Narcissist: The real reason Wonka closed the factory was to make sure none of his employees ever stole from him or betrayed him ever again. Notice how the children were punished for “breaking the rules” just like his employees were fired for the secrets getting out. Willy Wonka wanted swift justice for anyone who thought they could disobey him and get away with it. When his secret chocolate recipe was leaked, everyone lost their job whether they were involved or not just to shun the idea that anyone could ever betray him again. More than anything however, Wonka wanted Charlie to learn from him. To prove this, he always made sure to warn the children before they ultimately met their fate to firstly, not seem suspicious, but mainly to show Charlie what happens to people who disobeyed his rules. He knew Charlie would resist any of the temptation the other children faced since he had so much insight into his life. So, he took it as an opportunity to prepare Charlie for the life he was about to give him. This all comes to show just how prepared Wonka was for Charlie’s arrival but also just how much like him he wanted Charlie to be. The whole reason for the Golden Tickets was to test Charlie and make sure he’d do exactly everything Wonka’s way when he gave him the factory. His way, however, consisted of obedience, privacy, and slaves, aka, the “Oompa-Loompas”. His hopes were for Charlie to continue his legacy and keep the public eye out of his chocolate factory and maintain the slave labor. He even mentions in the movie how he wanted Charlie to watch over the oompa-loompas implying he wanted Charlie to continue using them as the primary workhorse for the factory in the years to come. He was also even so hesitant to let Charlie’s family come to the factory in fear they would somehow betray him. It never crossed Charlie’s mind until the end of the movie that it was all a ploy but he was still far too innocent to understand exactly why. His innocence ultimately saved him from accepting Wonka’s terms at first; and by rejecting the initial offer, it also made Wonka “snap out of it” and realize that he wasn’t doing everything for Charlie, but for himself. However, the damage was already done and the scheme had already been played out. In the end, it didn’t matter. Wonka got exactly what HE wanted… Edit: Notice how the entire family, and house is moved into the factory at the end of the movie: Charlie accepted that if he were to run the factory, it’d be a life-sentence. So to make himself more comfortable, he wanted his family to be there too. The narrator in the movie mentions that Charlie eventually accepted Wonka’s offer; but it was to be under new terms which involved Charlie still being able to live and spend time with his family whilst running the factory at the same time. Wonka obviously agreed but, he too had terms of his own if Charlie was to keep his family in his life. The ending scene cuts to a shot of Charlie’s home inside of the chocolate factory which implies that Wonka wanted them moved inside if he were to agree to Charlie’s terms. The reason being was simply power and control. Wonka was still very keen on keeping the day-to-day operations of the factory a secret even with his new “good” personality. So to compromise with Charlie, he moved his entire family and home into the factory so that nothing could ever get out. In the ending scene, Charlie and Wonka are discussing a new product at the dinner table in front of the family. Charlie starts to go in depth about an idea Wonka had brought up and the conversation quickly ends with Wonka saying “I think you’re onto something” to prevent the conversation from going any further. He was still uncomfortable with the idea of other people hearing his ideas but could rest easily knowing they were imprisoned inside the factory. He even gives a little smirk as the final scene cuts to the shot of Charlie’s house inside the factory to show he knew he was still in control. To add to this even more… the narrator’s last words are “the Buckets lived happily ever after” in a somewhat sinister tone as the shot of the house inside the factory fades. The ending shot of the house is also out of character as it’s much darker compared to the vibrant colors shown throughout the whole movie implying a much darker tone as well.
Even as a kid who never saw deeper meanings in movies when I saw them, just taking them at face value I always felt a weird sinister undertone to it that I didn't understand
I always wondered why little kids watched The Simpsons, they couldn't possibly understand the satire, another adult explained to me that kids just take the story at face value.
That’s why I always hated this movie as a kid. Not at one point did I ever feel “happy” while watching it. Not even when Charlie got the golden ticket. We all knew he was gonna get it lmao
Anyone ever notice that when Willy Wonka first introduces himself to the kids and parents, he's wearing the exact same goggles from the last room they go to for the tv kid? Like he had just finished testing it and left that room to go meet his guests.... o_O He also never called it the "Tv room" as it's labeled in the elevator, he calls it the "Testing room..." The room he was testing to make sure nothing would go wrong at the end due to how crazy the technology in there was. He even worries about whether or not the kid being transferred to the tv will make it in, "one piece," as if it clearly wasn't fully tested, but was rushed at the last min for his master plan! *puts tin foil on hat and exhales deeply!!!!
@@zenith3570 actually from looking at pictures i found on google the only difference between the goggles he wore when greeting everyone and the goggles he wore in the TV room was the color. everything else seemed to be the same.
There's also another detail that connects both Wonka and Charlie....Charlie's dad worked in a toothbrush factory that shut down while Wonka's father was a dentist, so Wonka was not only feeding Charlie chocolate becuz he favored him, but also becuz he wanted to provide him with something his own father personally never provided him, which was candy
I've always questioned if there was more to this, simply because of Wonka's nonchalant behavior towards all the kids except Charlie. Your channel has made me more of a movie theorist and I LOVE IT.
Your theory on him spying on the kids is 100% right. Because when he crashed in Charlie's house, how did he know Charlie made his factory out of toothpaste caps? He was looking all over the place cause he knew Charlie made it.
This movie surely had a dark side...After Charlie convinces Wonka to visit his father , they reach to a white snowy plain with only the doctor's building standing there. In complete isolation...It surely is strange after all those years ,that building is still there.Alone.
heroyukimura Also that scene where Wonka’s dad says something like “you can go but when you will return I will not be there”, and when Wonka returns, his apartment is like sliced out from the building. That scene really terrified me as a kid, it felt like a nightmare. And then we see that doctor’s apartment standing alone, isolated in the snowy desert but he still manages to get newspapers. I think there’s some symbolism and deeper meaning in it. Both scenes are really surrealistic.
@@weirdofromspace2828 I totally agree with you there.I think that place.The snowy desert with the single building is just a fragment of a memory that belonged to Wonka's past .His father really kept all those newspaper pages and watched him from far...But then time passed and he died.The scene where he finally meets his father is just an atonement in his mind.
heroyukimura for me it also seems like it. Maybe the whole scene with the apartment was Wonka’s imagination before he went to Charlie to ask him once again about becoming his heir. Maybe he thought about meaning of family and went to make peace with his own past. Well, the film is far more complicated then it seems and too deep to be just a children film.
It's deep but alot of Tim Burton's films are supposed to be deep :3 also I have a theory that maybe willy actually asked for the newspapers to be sent the entire time whether or not his father was still there maybe? I'm not really sure though I could be completely wrong ^^`
@@weirdofromspace2828 i was terrified by the same thing, as it was creepy when a building was just magicly like teleported out cuz it looked weird when it was just a random hole where his father was.
fun fact about the movie. Marilyn Manson wanted to play Willy Wonka, but they didn't hire him because they thought parents wouldn't let their kids see it if he played the role. So Johnny Depp agreed to do the role, in place of his friend (Manson) and purposefully tried to at as much like Manson as he could while playing Wonka.
Personally, I think it would have been brilliant!! MM is a HUGE fan of the 1971 movie; he even has a cover of the creepy song Wonka sings in the tunnel on the boat. Manson calls it, "The Family Trip." It's on the first LP, first song.
Even with how old this movie is, I feel like nobody’s talking about it enough Most of kids I know probably don’t even know this movie exists, even thought it is the BEST
16 years is a lot for a piece of culture? For example, Epic of Gilgamesh is from c. 2100 BCE, and people still perform it. When describing longevity of cultural achievement/heritage, a person shouldn't talk about it from mortal, human perspective xd but even if, 16 years it's a very short period, even for humans.
I saw this movie as a child and I always saw it in the same way. Willy always wanted to give the factory to Charlie only that his own excentrism led him to find a way to educate him on how to run a factory. It was never about educating the parents of the other children, it was to educate Charlie. Each child is a lesson for Charlie. August was his first lesson, based on Charlie's present poverty. When someone becomes a millionaire overnight, they tend to indulge in excess 'pleasures' with excessive expenses, in this case gluttony. It was the way to teach Charlie to control the factory and focus on improving the product and not spending as much as possible. "Do not be "glutton" like August, always think before acting" With violet the lesson was more towards the management of the factory and the enthusiasm towards the product, always listen to the professionals about the safety of the products, do not run towards something only based on its brilliant theory, it is always better to be sure before taking out to the market a product. Also a lesson about diversifying products and not just focusing on chocolate. With Veruca, it's obvious. Charlie is a child and one who gets wealth, become a spoiled without criteria is very possible. Although the message is obvious, "Have gray matter" and do not let the luxuries rot you with false friends (The Veruca song is the most direct)"The more you descend on this road, you will only find false friends to accompany you in that rotten life" Mike, it's the hardest to see. More than all the kids he was the smartest, including more than Charlie and the parents when he realized Willy's game, his simple-voiced song is about how television kills creativity and belittle the humanity of the individual. But I think in the end it's a lesson about how to be a better person. Not being superb with your own talents, Mike was the most intelligent of all but without care that led him to believe that he knew better than others regardless of the experience and talents of others. That form of mentality led him to be dwarfed in a world without creativity and dull ... so dull
Honestly, I quite like your theory much more than this video's. Even as a child, I assumed it was obvious that everything was pre-planned. The old version is my favorite movie and I've watched it countless times, yet now I can watch it in a new light with your theory in mind ^_^
I don’t know if you added this but while the veruca Oompa Loompa song they had a picture of verucas mom..... where did they get it unless they were spying. I agree 100% with you
Not mention, after they were done with the factory and in Charlie's house, Wonka was looking around the house through cabinets. He only stops when he finds the model of the factory that Charlie made. Almost like Wonka knew Charlie had made the model and he was looking for it.
I also think he was sick. I mean why would he want to find an heir at his 30s? He probably had candida an illness you get by eating too much candy. And by too much candy i mean replacing all your meals with it wich is something i can totally see him do. Anyways, its symptoms are skin and nail fungal infections which he hides with the clothes and the gloves, hives and rushes wich account for the wig and chronic fatigue wich explain the kane
This is a great theory. Unfortunately, Wonka did have a normal diet. But, even if he had a healthy diet, he could've had allergy-induced-illnesses from the milk or sugar in the chocolate. Perhaps even diabetes. That could also explain the cane. He was struggling not to lose his toes from diabetes.
I feel like this isn't a conspiracy, it's fact. Like, when you analyse a story in English class and there's hidden meaning. I literally never questioned that the rooms were specially made for each kid.
Even as a kid I knew something was up. The face he makes when Mike says "I wanna pick a room" It's like "yes child, you've fallen into my trap" And the way Wonka looks at the pipe in the chocolate room and then looks at Augustus and smirks, my sisters and I were like "he planned this!" Whenever we watched it.
I don’t know if it matters any but the Charlie in the first movie looks like he could be Willy Wonka‘s son. The Charlie in the second movie also looks like he could be Willy Wonka‘s son. Both Charlies looks so different from each other though. Both Willy Wonkas look very different from each other as well. So it’s clear that the movies aren’t following any physical feature rules. So why do both movies make it look like they are father and son?
I believe there was a video on the theory. Willy Wonka wanted his son (Charlie) to take over the factory but didn't want to expose himself as the father. So he set up the tour complete with traps aimed at the other children, so it would ensure that Charlie would be the winner and the heir to the Wonka fortune.
I always thought that Wonka had social anxiety disorder or was some kind of psychopath. Especially in the 2005 remake. For one, he acts very awkward toward the guests. Mostly when he attempts to introduce himself to the kids in the 2005 movie. He says, "Good morning star shine, the earth says hello!" Which was completely random. Then he awakwardly pauses, and pulls out a couple of note cards from which he reads, "My name is Willy Wonka. I shake you warmly by the the hand." No one should need note cards for your name, and a short greeting. There is more evidence for him being a psycho though. He never seems to care for the kids when they are in danger. In the 1971 or 2005 version. Even if it is planed, there is still a risk that the kids could be hurt or worse and he gives no shits. And the way he stares at the characters also seems a bit psychotic. And he also responds to certain questions weirdly. I thought he never answered any of Mike's questions cause he didn't want to seem crazy or that he was denying it. But I'm not sure.
I'm sorry, but you're missing a critical point. Dahl, himself. He did his stint as an Air Commander and *Intelligence Officer* He specialized in patterns of human behavior and authored the first profiling techniques now used to find serial killers. He used these techniques in his writing to flesh out believable characters. His wife was also an expert at looking at potential motivations of behavior. While his technique of a hidden threat was laughed at, at the time it started to be used heavily in the 70's and today is required reading for forensic investigators in many countries around the world.
Samurai Penguin - There are a few biographies of his life that cover the basics. The more in-depth portion of his intelligence career you can get anywhere, even on Wikipedia. Just follow the links.
The Theorizer - Yes, it very much does. It's just something that I felt may be relevant that you left out. I thought you may have left it out simply because your videos tend to stay 'in-world' and you piece your evidence together from visible attributes from that standpoint. It's one of the MANY reasons I enjoy your videos so much. I apologize if I came across otherwise.
In the beginning it says: " Charlie is the luckiest boy in the world, he just doesn't know it yet." Before he found the ticket, it's sure that he will. He's not one of the luckiest, he is the luckiest boy, so it's also sure that he will be Wonka's heir.
In the squirrel room, Wonka doesn't actually put the key in the lock when he opens the door for Veruca's father: in the shot before that, you can see the keyring hanging on the door, and in the next shot, all Wonka does is turn the key. He had the right key all along but waited to open the gate until Veruca fell in the chute. He opens the door very carefully and for some reason, it makes the entire scene so dark, I love it
This past summer, I was Charlie in a play that adds to this theory. Actually, it confirms this theory. Throughout the whole show, Wonka acted as the narrator, standing in the background in almost every single scene for the whole first act (before they actually get to the chocolate factory.) This shows that maybe he was there the whole time. In the scene where Charlie gets the golden ticket, he is at the candyman's candy stand. The scene starts with Wonka explaining a bunch of stuff, then, as Charlie walks onstage, Wonka drops a coin on the ground. This is the very same coin that Charlie finds and uses to buy the chocolate. At the end of the play, once all of the other children are gone. Wonka explains that from the start, he knew Charlie would be the perfect person to take over the factory. He says, "I designed all of the rooms we visited, each one for one child. I knew they'd be too tempted." But I doubt Wonka was able to watch the kids on television and design the rooms in a matter of days. This adds to the idea that Wonka had eyes on the kids and was spying on them before they got their golden tickets, then sent the tickets directly to them. Also, throughout the play, there is only one news reporter that interviews all of the kids for television. I doubt that reporter would've been able to travel from Germany, Brazil, Georgia (USA), California (USA), and then to London in only two or three days. Again, during the scene when Charlie finds his golden ticket, the news reporter appears within seconds of Charlie opening his golden ticket. Even if she lived in London, I doubt she would be right there as he found it. I think she may have been a news reporter recruited by Wonka to spy on these kids in the exact order. How else would she have been right there when all of them found their tickets? Anyway, that's just some personal information that confirms your theory. EDIT: Also, don't you think it has to be a more than a coincidence that Charlie, a child obsessed and downright devoted to Willy Wonka, found the golden ticket to go to his factory, and later become the owner?
I'm also playing Charlie in the same play! In fact, before scrolling down into the comments section, I left a comment myself on Mike Teavee and how he's like, the only brat to _live_ in the musical!
Ohmygosh! We saw that play last summer with my kids downtown. My oldest was 'eh" but my youngest and I really liked it. Considering the low budget wondering how certain effects would be pulled off. It felt like the new movie but the oopma songs from the original with a few extras. Not sure if you were the same kids that played Wonka in the show we saw... but it was done really well considering the age of the actors! I was impressed. And yeah I noticed when Wonka dropped the money for Charlie to pick up.
Last summer, I read a really good script called 'Wonka' it was written by Jason Micallef, it mainly tells the story of how Willy Wonka came to own the factory and it is quite dark. I really recommend it you can find it online.
This video made me want to watch the movie again. Upon doing so I realized something that I don’t think you mentioned in the video.. when the Oompa-Loompas do their first song Wonka mentions that they hadn’t had an audience in ages.. If the Oompa-Loompas came AFTER Wonka fired all his workers, who did the perform for?!
@@HowardTheDork He also mentioned how dangerous their homeland was. Maybe the environment was too dangerous and they didn't have enough food to continue surviving.
I just realized something. Violet has the same hairstyle as Willy Wonka, Veruca has the same hair color as him, Augustus shares the same love of chocolate with him and Mike shares the trait of intelligence with him. Charlie is, in fact, the only character who doesn't bear any similarities to him, other than (loosely quoting probably) 'Candy doesn't have to have a point'. He is innocent and pure and he grew up with good parenting, which is what Willy Wonka wanted, and so he makes the best heir.
Two days ago, I watched Tim Burton's version for the first time. I've seen the 1971 film probably 25 times. Something that popped out to me and that wasn't addressed in either of the two videos is the color choice of the clothing for the Oompa-loompas. First child (Augustus) is wearing red in both the scene where he finds the ticket and when he is at the factory. For the Oompa-loompa song about him, they wore red, and we see them before we see him go into the chocolate, so we could call this part forshadowning of which child is about to be removed as well as foreknowledge by the Oompa-loompas (and thus Wonka) about what was about to happen. Next, the Oompa-loompas show up rowing a boat and wearing suits of blue that match the second child (Violet) and her mother's blue track suits. The first two suit colors track well for predicting the child to go, but the third part breaks down a bit. The Oompa-loompas who roll out Violet the Gum-smacking Blueberry are wearing black suits, which should indicate that the next while to go will be Mike, the TeeVee kid, but that's not what happens. Still, I'm going to keep going with the concept because I believe that the directors/writers intentionally changed the suits here as a red herring for new viewers. The third time something happens in film is the place where most writers/directors break the pattern they have established with the first two times (see character guessing codes). Veruca the Greedy went third, and she wears fur... like the furry squirrels who toss her into the chute. When the Oompa-loompa's show up, they are wearing yellow, which (though brighter) is close to the colors associated with Veruca. I admit that this part is a stretch and may have more to do with costuming than intended hints, but with all the other hints in the film, I doubt the color choices were accidents. That her color shows up after she goes down the chute feels like confirmation of their readiness for her to go. Next. Mike the TV finds the TV room. In it, the Oompa-loompas are wearing white suits (with some black stripes), but if you compare Mike to his father, you see that his father wears light clothes while Mike wears dark. At this point in the store, the viewers know that Mike has to be next, so we don't need the foreshadowing or warning that the red and blue suits gave us. He's the only choice left, and the predominate white color on the Oompa-loompa's let them fade into the background for the scene, where any other color on that set would have drawn attention to them before they were needed center-stage. Plus, I could see the color choice as an homage to the original scene where the major characters all wore white suits, and that Mike the TV was wearing white. Perhaps I'm putting together more than existed in the filming, but I like this hypothesis. I came up with it as I was watching this version for the first time. *Note: I have enjoyed your two theory films on these movies.
This might sound far fetched but what if Wonka from the 2005 version sent someone to watch Charlie. One of his ex co-workers. Charlie’s grandfather. He gave his “secret quarter” to charlie so he can find the golden ticket, egging him on to find it. Out of everyone in Charlie’s family, he seemed the most enthusiastic.
Somehow I accidentally clicked on this comment and I wasn't looking at the time, I was busy 😂 Then I look down at my phone and see people's replies talking about a "chair" and I'm like "wait what the hell, this theory has concluded in being a chair!? How does that make sense" Then I realize that's your YT account name and people are just replying to you 😂😂 I'm so dumb lmao
Charlie found his dollar on the sidewalk and walked into a shop that's where those adults were trying to buy it off him. (not trying to ruin it or be a negative nancy.. but yeah) lol
dude this is seriously the best content to watch when you’re high. like not to sound like an annoying internet stoner who talks about being high but you hit the nail on the head man
Well I often make these on autopilot due to sensory overload from anemia and derealization, so in a parallel sense, it’s also the best content to MAKE in an altered state of mind
5:59 actually, In the first scene we really get to see Willy wonka.. all off those creepy doll animatronics have burst into flames, and then later in the movie. We see a room specifically made for those burning dolls. And silly wonka remarks “It’s relatively new” which means that not only are the oompah loompas able to make rooms within days, they’re able to make them within HOURS! witch means it is 100% confirmed that Willy wonka could have just saw their headline on TV and made the oompah loompas make rooms specifically for them. (This also get’s you wondering.. since Charlie never had a headline on TV, that might be why he didn’t have a room.. could that mean that if he did.. Willy would’a Just torchered him too? Was the whole golden ticket thing just an assasination attempt on children..? Lol! Probably not.)
"relatively new" could also mean that it was made a few months ago. It all depends on how old the factory is. "relatively" means "somewhat", so saying something is "relatively new" just means somewhat new. Seeing how quickly the dolls burst into flames and how Wonka wasn't trusting enough in it to actually be in it, I assume that room was made alongside the dolls so they wouldn't have to waste money buying new dolls.
iiBluB_HuB I don’t agree. Maybe he said that to cover it up. It can’t be just a coincidence that there are 4 brats and one angle. He must’ve planned it for a long time and how would he know if he wasn’t spying on the children
i have a theory... the guy who sold charlie the one with the ticket said "forging a ticket" RIGHT when charlie was opening the bar, maybe purposeful to give him some hope? he also encouraged charlie to take it, maybe making sure he gets to the factory
I can’t remember if it’s the first or second one, but the candyman switched the style of candy bar from the one Charlie usually gets, saying something along the lines of Try this one this instead..
The characters represent the 7 Deadly Sins, wich is a subject first introduced by the Catholic Church. So, acording to Saint Thomas Aquinas, each sin has a sub-sin, or "daughter". I analized the film and I came to the next conclusion: (now, I´m not affirming that it all goes one way, I think all sinners here could also have some mix from here and there, but I just list them as how definitive he or she potrays one deadly sin. Also, their dads are nothing but an extenssion of their same features) ACCORDING TO A THOMISTIC VIEW: PRIDE: resambles Mike. Why? Because he has some daughters of pride: Disobedience "don´t push my bottom" XD, boastfulness (he thinks he is super smart), contention (he always wants to fight), obstinancy, discord (he is practically mad the all time) and love of novelties (tv invention). AVARAICE: that goes to Veruca. Here are some daughters of avaraice: treachery, fraud (she did not compitte fairly because she told her dad to use all resources from his fabric to find the freaking ticket) falsehood (when she says to Violet "let´s be friends") restlessness (she is unstoppable when she wants something) violence (trying to grab a squirrel just like that I think proves itself to be an act of violence against nature) and insensibility to mercy (you have to be very insensible to the fact of owning factory workers and put them to work to find just one ticket). GLUTTONY: Augustus. Here some daughters of gluttony: unseemly joy (his happiness does not last, by fragments of second we see him either smiling in one scene but the other with lost gaze) scurrility (speaking while eating is considered an indecency of modals), uncleanness (I think that one is obvious) loquaciousness (speaking a lot, that one resembles his mother, probably) and dullnes of mind in regards to understanding (I think that behaving like a non stop eating machine kind of potrays this actitud of gluttony) LUST: Violet. Belive it or not, here are some daughters of lust: blindness of mind (thinking and saying that nothing shall happen to her because she is a champion inspite of the warnings, is kind of a blind state to make) thoughtlessness (this is shown when she tells Charlie that he his a loser) rashness or impulsiveness (specially when she speeks) self love (when she wons the golden thicket she says that she is the best) and love of this world (she has many trophies from activicties regarding this world) We can also see the pattern of lust in her mom towards Wonka. This one is the most common among people and it leads to despair if not fixed. Now, the other 3 deadly sins, I think can be found in Wonka himself and his dad: SLOTH: Wonka. I know what you are thinking, how could Wonka be seen as lazy, if he owns a company and has proven to work this all time! Now, remmember that I am only menctioning daughters of sin, meaning that there are various ramnifications from this evil. Regarding Wonka, here are some daughters of sloth: sluggishnes in regard to the 10 comanmends (one of them, being respecting and loving our parents, something he did not do) faintheartedness (specially when speaking to the children, he would always push them away or demostrate that he was not interested in any of them) despair (he was not hopefull to regain confidence to meet his father again) Also, wandering of the mind after unlawful things (I think that one is obvious as he stares all the time with malice towards achiving his goals and some flashbacks of his broken heart). ENVY: Wonka. How could he be jealous of anyone if he has everything? materially speaking, yes, but we know that material things cannot satisfy the human desire for love. Some daughters of envy are: hatred (to each kid), detraction (towards his father) joy at our neighbor´s misfortunes (he is very content after each kid gets eliminated from this game) and grief for our neighbor´s prosperity (he seemed quite puzzled after having a negative response from Charlie, because he realized that he had strong boundries towards his family, something he did not have) ANGER: Wonka´s dad. Some daughters of anger are indignation (at his son recoleccting candy) clamor (raising his voice) contumely (name calling with sarcasm, when he says that he will not want that his son becomes a chocolatier) quearrels (so basically his all anger towards his son´s aspirations only tears their relation appart and provokes him to leave). And Charlie, well, he is basically a saint :) Pursue holiness! I did all of this when studying for my Theology Exam hehe :P so, what do you guys think?
You should do more Tim Burton movies, like Beetlejuice with something like who made the handbook, or Corpse Bride and how is Emily able to talk to dead and alive animals? (Dead dog, live spider) Or even Nightmare Before Christmas with the never ending question where is Halloween town? Is it on earth or another in another demension?? Like the possibilities are endless!!!!
It always looked pretty evident to me that Wonka planned everything from the beginning and that he used the interviews off each kid on TV to trap them. And I thought that Charlie just wasn't trap because Wonka had nothing on him. But you're going wild with the theory, love it
The grandfather whom went to the chocolate factory with Charlie had once work for Wonka. Wonka had been able to identified the grandfather as one of his trusted employees. Willy Wonka had been able to noticed how poor Charlie and his family were. So as a favor to one of his ex-employees, Willy Wonka had decided to choose Charlie as his heir. Of course, Willy Wonka had to test Charlie like the other kids. In the movie, Wonka had forgotten the importance of having a family. I am barely able to remember that the book had a different ending. Willy Wonka had travel back to Charlie's home to pick up his parents and his other grandparents.
The only people that Wonka actually goes out of his way to greet is Mike and Charlie. I have a feeling that Wonka was worried that Mike’s cleverness might beat his plan…
Actually.... here is the correct way of how the children represent the seven deadly sins: Violet = Pride Augustus = Gluttony Veruca = Envy (although she's MAJORLY rich) Mike = Wrath
when i was younger i could feel everything behind it, even though i couldnt see or comprehend it. now that im older i am absolutely fascinated by the level of depth and creativity in this movie. It has always been my favorite movie, and im just completely taken aback. absolutely amazing
Johnny Depp also went on record as saying his three main inspirations for his portrayal were Michael Jackson, Howard Hughes, and Marilyn Manson (he's friends with Manson IRL).
A few of you have also pointed out how (during Veruca's song) Wonka had the Oompa Loompas throw a framed image of Veruca's MOTHER down the garbage chute. It's funny, but... Uhh... How on Earth did he have a pic like that sitting around? Also, the Oompa Loompas pre-recorded Mike’s song on the television, further proving it CANNOT be improvisation.
The Theorizer just because it's extremely close to the book doesn't mean it'll turn out good. And it didn't at all the original is a cult classic while the remake is I stain on Tim burtin. I'd rather have the original charlie because he's much more down to earth and that selfishness gives weight with the final scene of Charlie handing over the gobstopper. The remake charlie was stupid it was like he was fucking Jesus that's not relatable. You wanna know why Wonka does all the shit he does? Like you said he's psychologically damaged and mentally insane even by the end. Also targeted child injury maiming and death. YOU KNOW FOR KIDS. THIS MAKES ROSEDALE ORIGINAL BOOK SADISTIC AND CREEPY
I’d love if you’d do a theory on Little Nightmares (game)!
The Theorizer What about Dr. Doophismurch (from Phineas and Ferb) and his tragic backstory and him being a mad man doomed to be yin and yang with his brother, the mayor.
Just do it, you don't have to do the man theroy
The Theorizer I thought it would make sense that the kids was distance relatives because of the kids only came from the U. S and Europe.
Dude, it's a movie, it's not sopposed to make sense
As a kid, this movie terrified me yet fascinated me; however, the feeling still kicks in.
Neverending story for me, everything is so weird there, funny how childish movies are scariest
Daniel King if you watch The Theorizer’s Wizard of Oz theory, you’ll find it much, much, MUCH creepier
me 2
As a child it only terrified me
Me toooo I’m fkn terrified
This is the most intense analysis of a children’s movie I have ever seen.
Me too!
I should see some Alice in wonderland analysis! :D
then you haven't seen the Coraline theories! they are two hours long!
@@kimreich1536 yes! I love those
Welcome to the theoriser chanel
A kid: *Nearly dies*
The Oompahs-Loompahs: *Singing noises*
He actually dies
Zero which kid died? none of the 4 bad kids did. it doesn’t show the 4 kids later but they do in the book and in burton’s version. i think agustus was the best off. from being squeezed in the pipe, he lost tons of weight in the book
sak lee Augustus died
Augustus didn’t die, sure he almost drowned to death but he’s alive
Oompa Loompa dippity doo
We've got a room all made just for you
Oompa Loompa diddly dun
this room will be oh so much fun.
Johnny depp to me really showed willy wonka in a new light, not the dreamy good fantasy person that was portrayed in the first film but someone who is extremely manipulative and almost creepy in a way that when u watch it u can see the theory and the real darkness under his character. Depp was fantastic at it
I agree and also using reserve psychology.
In the end he was a good person. Just wanted to teach the lessons. Only creepy part was the clones he made to do the slave work (Oompa Loompas).
Yea I actually disagree. Gene wilders portrayal is much more menacing.
Depp just seems to be a little odd and unaware in his approaches. Like he’s awkward because he’s a candy loving genius. Depp isn’t some deranged looney, he means well.
On the other hand, Wilder is awkward on purpose because he knows exactly what is happening. He barely says a word at all to the parents after they go into the tunnel. He’s far more seemingly intentional with his awkwardness and overall madness.
@@Phishegghead mmmmm yeah no, so you never read the book you can just say that. Again, Johnny played Willy Wonka THE BEST period. Everything about how he played Wonka was perfect, and he even explained in an interview he purposely put on an almost TV host voice, he was intentionally changing it to be hiper, not because he was playing the character, but because his character was playing a character. Genius. Like whenever I hear people talk about the old version, it just sounds like they don't like the book, and it's nostalgic honestly.
I love this version, Johnny Depp is brilliant as Willy Wonka, everything he does makes you wonder if he is really a good person or the villain of the movie. I also had a huge crush on him when I was little and I see nothing has changed. This is one of the few movies that I could watch a thousand times and never get bored.
I’m still wondering if he’s a villain-
And you know the life’s are fine and died cus you see them come out of factory
wonka is a whole hero. eat the rich 😌🧚🏻✨
Emelia yaaas
olivia flower huh?
johnny depp played willy wonka so well, its unbelievable
luna kim coz he’s just as creepy in real life. He’s a murderer you know.... ghost adventures covered it and I’ll bet he’s on the Eppstein shitlist of weirdos too
@@Charmywoo wait, im confused. who? willy wonka or johnny depp?
@@angelunar johnny depp
@@Charmywoo 🙄
@@Charmywoo where did ghost adventures cover that willy wonka was a murderer??
Willy Wonka's dad is a dentist and Charlie's dad used to work for a company that made toothpaste containers/tops. Can't be a coincidence!
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was also going to mention this as well as his grandpas previous involvement
Wow..
@@sxftpixie th fuq aren't you supposed to be at hogwarts by now
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I’m not magic in real life. 😊
Child: dying
Oompaloompas: *So anyway, I started singing-*
Lol
I’ve always had a bad feeling in my gut when I’ve watched it as a kid. Like there was something terrifying about how those kids behaved and also about how he reacted to them. He kinda acted like a maniac, never trying to fix their behavior or reacting to it emotionally (not even with anger). It was just a little game for him, because he knew who’s gonna be winner.
Its a test, Charlie is a mature, kind and a clever kid and Willy just tests them to see who truly is the next owner
GM M but he picked them all. It wasn’t a coincidence. He knew what’s going to be happening to them.
Well not trying to say he isn't a little creepy but he DID warn the kids...literally all of them.It's just nobody listens to him.Probably because all of them finds him quite odd.
They and their parents did it to themselves
Petra Uhráková Same, and that i look back at it i can sense some darker pedophilia vibes from this movie..
Have you people noticed that Wonka warns the kids when they do their mistake to avoid legal attacks. He can just say he warned them against it.
Also what else can he does except warning the kids to sin? Shaking their shoulders and telling them to stop in front of their parents/guardians? Kick them out of the factory even though he went through a lot to plan all this?And would the kids even let him kick them out that easily?I don't think so.
This actually makes a lot of sense. And none of the kids died. Augustus could have easily drowned in the chocolate river, but of course he didn't because Wonka planned all of it. He knew the pipe was gonna come and save him because he planned it all out.
kummerkind ! And that veruca and her dad had weeks of garbage to fall in
Sounds like Social services and covid -19
@@silhouetteoflou that's why he wasn't shocked when Augustus fell in the river
notice how at the beginning of the movie when wonka packages each of the golden tickets, and he gently pats the last one before they're sent out? he knew that was the bar that would go to charlie
I feel like he is so much attached to Charlie, that it looks more like a Neverland trip
Your pfp brought back an uncomfortable amount of memories.
katie h omg yesssss
Woah... yeah!
Actually it's more likely that ticket goes to Veruca, the box that particular conveyor leads to gets addressed to London. It's safe to assume that each conveyor only has one destination for the boxes because after they are packed, the boxes go directly in the trucks, and the trucks only carry boxes for one location as shown on the nearest truck which only has boxes addressed to Tokyo.
I noticed Willy Wonka also never address the bad kids by their names. He calls them “little girl” or “little boy”. The only kid he addresses by their name is Charlie. 🤔
Yh cuz he hates them
Because he choose Charlie to be the winner.
@@saimanda_ imma need that Insta u too pretty
Also Mike, since he's "the little devil that cracked the system". In fact when the kids all first enter the factory he's the only one who gets called out by name, he says Charlie "just lucky to be here".
He was using reverse psychology to tempt the kids as well, telling them not to do something just made them want to do it more
Well maybe he went to school to learn how to do reverse psychology on them...??? I don't know...???
okay but why is your background photo, cheese?
@@meruhhthecat9200, why not?
Like in Cat In The Hat
Yes, idk why it took this guy 22 minutes to explain that
I’ve always liked this version, I don’t know why people hate on this
Yeah it is much better than the 70s version in my opinion.
you shall not pass it issss, I liked as well how this version stayed more true to the books
probably because people have the nostalgia of the old one and dont like a new version of what they already think was good enough
Voethia yea :/, it’s still sad cause I see they bring down this version of the film but I find the new version better knowing Ronald Dahl would have appreciated this version better
@@101greekboy Even his _wife_ claimed that he'd like this version more, since the 70's version apparently pissed off Roald Dahl so much he said to never make another until after he was frickin' _dead._
I like how this guy is so passionate about his theory and is 100% sure its all true
yup
Right but the big hole in his theory tho is how would Wonka know which bad kids and parents to pick? 2 of them were from America 🧐
@@AnaAcuraErica spies
Well if he wasn’t confident then it makes it less believable.
I dont believe his theories most of the time but this one is really solid
this becomes more messed up when you realize each of the four bad kids were victims of abuse or niglect from there parents. not a theory, just makes it more messed up that they suffer because of what there parents turn each of them into.
agustus: was never taught to think about what you eat. in fact his parents encouraged his unhealthy habits this lead to him become so food obsessed.
violet: was exploited by her father/mother for fame. you can argue she enjoyed the attention but be real when dose any kid going into fame reeally understand what there getting into. when she stole the gum her parent was the only one who didn't freak out or try to do something the parent not once told her to stop when wonka said so (they should know better.) and she suffered because of it. her parent depending on the adaptaionmay not even care being more upset that "they got a blueberry for a daughter." or in the musical's case be excited to exploit there blue berry daughter until... something happens (I'm not saying what happens in case people want to find it on youtube. Be warned if you do find it the musical gose down a EXTREAMLY dark route when it comes to the kids. personally I'd recomend not watching it with kids.)
vuruca: I don't think I have to say it but her father spoiled her rotten. yes, this is abuse it just gose in the opisite direction as her famly smothers her to the point she expects it from everyone and is eventlly yanked down by wonka. I do feel bad for her dad though out of all the parents he probly really loved his daughter. I mean considoring her smothered her so much he clearly wanted her to have a good life even if it got out of hand. By doing this though he ended up turning her into the mess we all know
mike tv: this is probley the least descussed case of abuse as its offten over shadowed by the whole "tv rots your brain" part of the story. but its literly stated in the book that mike was rased by the tv. his parents did NOTHING to properly rase there kid. This to me falls under neglect and explains the problems mike has. he was never taught to properly interact with people, he had to grow up faster then most people and he developed so many more problems. His parents never bothered to intervine and he became a mess without any guidence in the right direction or receiveing the right help. I don't even think they bothered to put him through school. out of all of the kids he's the worst one as, due to not haveing time to be a child he became a tiny anti social violent (depending on the verson of the story) desensitized adult who can't interact with others and thinks he knows better then the adult aroung him.
don't get me wrong the kids shouldn't have acted the ways they did but the parents are resposeable for all of it. they did get punnished for it though. Seeing this awful stuff happening to their kids and knowing their resposeable is a awful thing. knowing your kid wouldn't be in this mess if you rased them differently or stoped it before it got out of hand. Still I have to aknowlage not every parent actully cares about there kid.
This is why as much as I enjoy the first adaptation I can't love it as a adaptation because these theams weren't tackled as well in that film. this isn't just a warning to kids its a warning to the parents of those kids to. I cana see why people were un happy as these this weren't even taught about
I will say if you think wonka was trying to kill the kids cheak out the musical. lets just say its not book acurete.
edit: more proof it was planed is that the kids always servive in both this film and the book they are seen leaving. even in the first adaptation wonka says their okay.
Holy that actually makes sense
THIS.
all of this is very well noted
@Natalie and to add about Violet’s mother, remember the scene where all the kids and their parents walk out of the factory, Violet states that she’s more flexible, but her mother just brushes it off and says “but you’re still blue” then continues walking, disappointment on her face.
Maybe that’s why they added willy wonkas father into the 2005 version, to give him a reason to have a weird relationship to parents, maybe it was the parents he wanted to teach a lesson to, for bringing their kids up badly,(although it does seem bad that in order to teach the parents a lesson, the children have to get hurt) just like his own father brought it him up badly and wonka being proof of his fathers neglect.
In the books it said that Charlie walked past the chocolate factory every single day after school and he would stop and smell the chocolate everyday so it would make sence that Willy Wonka would have been able to see Charlie do that every day and then saw him walk to his little house that was just up the road. Willy Wonka already knew where Charlie lived and probably felt bad because bad for firing Charlie's grandpa
The same way you come up with this assumption isn’t any more valid then this video making assumptions.
Mighty C ok ?
Willy fired Charlie's grandpa?? Only in the book version,right? I never read the book version soo much.
@@hazeeqrazak it's in the movie as well
@@jaydestirling4294 that's not true,he asked everyone of his workers to resigned and then close his factory.
Johnny Depp actually asked Tim if they could at some more quotes from the book in the script. Depp and Burton are geniuses together.
You are right
@@Boiscooby0 so Mr wonka,how your relationship with your father??
Hazeeq Razak I don’t want to talk about it
@@Boiscooby0 and how's the factory going?
Hazeeq Razak good
My only remaining question: Jesus what skin care does wonka use?
Dawn Corona he uses chocolate obviously
The children
Make up
Dawn Corona omfg right 😂
The oompa loompa meal worms
you didn't point out that the narrator is an oompa loompa as we found out at the end spying on charlie for willy wonka
does that mean he sends oompa loompa to spy on them
@@blackspider-man1855 probably and maybe even plant the golden ticket so they find it
Mind blown
Yeah that’s why he found , the money.
The kids are also eliminated in the order they found their tickets. Idk if anyone has mentioned that
Violet and Veruca are switched. Veruca found the ticket second, but got eliminated third.
So the rooms would be built in the order idk
lmao, eliminated sounds so brutal
Like final desnation!!
Never noticed that.
I've never seen someone this paranoid about Willy Wonka
The Karen of film.
😂😂😂
I'm here for this melt down
look how he handles mort
*_Except.... Willy Wonka himself._*
I think that Violet's fall was from _pride_ not gluttony.
I honestly love Violet more than Charlie himself or any of the other children because even though Violet is an arrogant bitch, she's also someone who has GOALS AND A CLEAR purpose in her life, she's still young and she already knows what she wants to do with her life, which is something that many grown ups don't even know, even though they are adults and they should know what they want to do with their lives, Violet knows that if she wants to be the best of the best, she has to work hard and before you tell me that Violet acted like an entitled spoiled brat, she also showed a lot of skill when it comes to showing off her ability to kick asses and I bet that Violet didn't become such a skilled fighter in a matter of days or weeks, she had to train hard for a couple of years to earn every medal she has earned and Violet also shows to feel a deep passion for what she does, she truly loves karate and martial arts and it's prerty clear that she knows what she wants and she knows how to achieve it. She's arrogant but she has a fiery temper and unlike Verucca Salt, Violet is very independent and she doesn't sit down and expects her mom to do everything for her, she actually tries to get involved in the process of getting what she wants, regardless of how others think of her.
I also feel the same for Mike Teeves, even though he always actwd like an arrogant asshole, he showed that when it comes to technology and mathematics, he must be the smartest kid in his class, he might be an addicted to playing violent videogames butvwhen he spole about the teleporting machine that Willy Wonka built, Mike showed that there was more to him than just his addiction to videogames and arrogant attitude, Mike showed that he had a deep passion for science and technology and if his father knew how to encourage Mike to use those talents for something good instead of letting his child become a total addicted to violent videogames, Mike could actually become a very successful engineer, scientist or the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Say what you want about Mike but that child was talented.
I could never stand Verucca Salt because she was, at least in my eyes, the only brat who had no talent, someone who thought that just because she was born as a rich girl, she deserves to be given everything without people asking her to give back something in return, she does nothing to earn what she has and she orders and bosses everyone around her to do her dirty work, at least Violet could kick asses and had talent for martial arts and other athletic stuff and had a more independent personality, maybe because her own pride didn't allow Violet to be seen as weak and she wasn't lazy at all but Verucca was a self-absorbed brat that unlike Mike or Violet, she was just an insufferable brat who would be nothing if it wasn't for her father always cheating and tricking everyone to give Verucca everything she wanted, even if she didn't truly deserve it.
As for Augustus (the fat boy who was an addicted to eat 24/7), I don't hate him but I don't love him either, I think that Willy Wonka was a little cruel to him because Augustus didn't do anything wrong actually and he was just a boy who needed a more strictly discipline when it comes to how much he can eat for his own wellfare and to keep him as healthy as possible but Augustus wasn't as insufferable as Verucca, Mike or Violet.
Charlie might have been the starring character but he was too perfect to be relatable, I know that there are kids who are kind and noble but Charlie was way too perfect and had almost no flaws at all, which makes him a character to whom is really hard to feel related because of how flawless he is
Maria Fernanda Isturiz Barajas That's what I like about the original Charlie: he messes up too with the fizzy lifting drinks.
@@95maferisturiz whoa there, lets say that
Violet kept chewin', chewin', chewin', chewin'
and her mom's eyes are scary af
@@95maferisturiz it's easy to have goals and plans when you are secured into money. She isn't the only one who has goals. All of us do
Maria Fernanda Isturiz Barajas My argument for the 2005 Charlie is that no matter what, the story is still fiction, so Roald Dahl could write Charlie however he wanted, and he wrote him like that to show he was different from the other kids and why he deserved it. It’s not about him being relatable, it’s of him being the most deserving out of the five kids. And sure, he didn’t write the 2005 movie, but his wife did. She probably knew just as much as he did about the book, hence why the 2005 was closer to the book as a whole, including Charlie. ESPECIALLY Charlie
i remember specifically that exact part of the scene when augustus falls in the chocolate river... the way wonka stared at the tubes as they came out to suck up the chocolate disturbed me so much but i never wanted to think about why because it scared me.
Lmfao. He had that "imma watch this unfold" look.
"WHIPPING A COW DOES NOT MAKE WHIPPED CREAM" i snorted
Lol
Yes it does! If Donald Trump can be the president of the United states then whipped cream can be made by whipping cows!
I whipped a cow and the cow made whipped dead children cow
@@greenkebun1489 lol !
LOL 😁
Fun Fact: Wart in spanish is verruga, which sounds like Veruca, so apart from an insult, it was also a pun!
vicky gracias he aprendido una nueva palabra, verruga
There is actually like some sort of wart that is called a veruca though
Actually in italian it means wart!!!
A veruca is a wart on your foot :)
Not only in Spanish, in Portuguese too
They’re based on the deadly sins :
Violet is Pride
Veruca is Greed
Augustus is Gluttony
Mike is Wrath
I do believe that violet’s mom might be lust
Kenz Robinson : I agree, that would make a lot of sense!
Mike could also be Sloth
acagold squad :D : true!
acagold squad :D point made
I lowkey don’t understand why ppl hate on this movie like-
Itz cuz it's "scary"
Cuz people don’t like new stuff when there was an original in their childhood 🙄 Personally I grew up on the 1st one, but I grew to love the Depp version loads more 🥰 it’s so funny and it makes u think about wonkas true motives 😂 the 1st one is so boring now 😴
Ana Acura dang thats a lot of un needed emojis
Ppl hatr on things to hate
Because old people think everything from their childhood is better. Doesn't matter if it's a children's movie and they're 50 years old.
"Violet... you're turning violet" how could you leave out that quote lol
Child: gets horribly decapitated and mutilated:
Oompa loompas: showtime!
Lol
*jazz hands*
Deadass😭😂
You stupid idiot it's "it's show time" not "showtime"
@@karma40723 Shut up, nerd
Something I will point out. Once he closed the factory, he could've easily known who he was firing due to the files of each worker. In order to achieve his plan, he needed an heir, so when he saw Pre-Grandpa Joe get fired, he knew he had to make it up to him. He seemed to favor Joe in the flashback as well, giving a chocolate bird to him. He needed to not raise suspicion, but he regretted firing Joe as he probably was a secondary parental figure to him. He chose Charlie for more than just an heir. He wanted a family. A family that would accept him for the genius that he was and would eventually pass down that genius. He had no social life as a child too, so a relationship was out of the question.
I THOUGHT SO TOO
My goodness. I LOVE IT!
I always knew Willy Wonka remembered him, but he thought most of them betrayed him, which caused him to be wary of Charlie's grandpa and other people working there so he fired them. I thought when he asked the question if he had betrayed him and the grandpa said no, is when he realized that he wasn't betrayed by a friend and was glad to have him back. I wouldn't have thought what you did, though.
@@jessica1lopez not only that, but when Grandpa Joe was asked about stealing the recipe, he was so sincere about not stealing it with a simple "no, sir." Wonka could've been suspicious and pressed on, but he was so quick to believe him and feel relieved that he didn't do it.
@@marshalllee6853 that's true. He could have keep on asking or ask Charlie what he knew about Willy Wonka that his grandfather told him. He also could have kept the grandfather outside, just in case what happened before didn't happen, and had someone else come in with Charlie.
Willie Wonka, The Narcissist:
The real reason Wonka closed the factory was to make sure none of his employees ever stole from him or betrayed him ever again. Notice how the children were punished for “breaking the rules” just like his employees were fired for the secrets getting out. Willy Wonka wanted swift justice for anyone who thought they could disobey him and get away with it. When his secret chocolate recipe was leaked, everyone lost their job whether they were involved or not just to shun the idea that anyone could ever betray him again. More than anything however, Wonka wanted Charlie to learn from him. To prove this, he always made sure to warn the children before they ultimately met their fate to firstly, not seem suspicious, but mainly to show Charlie what happens to people who disobeyed his rules. He knew Charlie would resist any of the temptation the other children faced since he had so much insight into his life. So, he took it as an opportunity to prepare Charlie for the life he was about to give him. This all comes to show just how prepared Wonka was for Charlie’s arrival but also just how much like him he wanted Charlie to be. The whole reason for the Golden Tickets was to test Charlie and make sure he’d do exactly everything Wonka’s way when he gave him the factory. His way, however, consisted of obedience, privacy, and slaves, aka, the “Oompa-Loompas”. His hopes were for Charlie to continue his legacy and keep the public eye out of his chocolate factory and maintain the slave labor. He even mentions in the movie how he wanted Charlie to watch over the oompa-loompas implying he wanted Charlie to continue using them as the primary workhorse for the factory in the years to come. He was also even so hesitant to let Charlie’s family come to the factory in fear they would somehow betray him. It never crossed Charlie’s mind until the end of the movie that it was all a ploy but he was still far too innocent to understand exactly why. His innocence ultimately saved him from accepting Wonka’s terms at first; and by rejecting the initial offer, it also made Wonka “snap out of it” and realize that he wasn’t doing everything for Charlie, but for himself. However, the damage was already done and the scheme had already been played out. In the end, it didn’t matter. Wonka got exactly what HE wanted…
Edit: Notice how the entire family, and house is moved into the factory at the end of the movie: Charlie accepted that if he were to run the factory, it’d be a life-sentence. So to make himself more comfortable, he wanted his family to be there too. The narrator in the movie mentions that Charlie eventually accepted Wonka’s offer; but it was to be under new terms which involved Charlie still being able to live and spend time with his family whilst running the factory at the same time. Wonka obviously agreed but, he too had terms of his own if Charlie was to keep his family in his life. The ending scene cuts to a shot of Charlie’s home inside of the chocolate factory which implies that Wonka wanted them moved inside if he were to agree to Charlie’s terms. The reason being was simply power and control. Wonka was still very keen on keeping the day-to-day operations of the factory a secret even with his new “good” personality. So to compromise with Charlie, he moved his entire family and home into the factory so that nothing could ever get out. In the ending scene, Charlie and Wonka are discussing a new product at the dinner table in front of the family. Charlie starts to go in depth about an idea Wonka had brought up and the conversation quickly ends with Wonka saying “I think you’re onto something” to prevent the conversation from going any further. He was still uncomfortable with the idea of other people hearing his ideas but could rest easily knowing they were imprisoned inside the factory. He even gives a little smirk as the final scene cuts to the shot of Charlie’s house inside the factory to show he knew he was still in control. To add to this even more… the narrator’s last words are “the Buckets lived happily ever after” in a somewhat sinister tone as the shot of the house inside the factory fades. The ending shot of the house is also out of character as it’s much darker compared to the vibrant colors shown throughout the whole movie implying a much darker tone as well.
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@@bilmemki97 niye türkce cevap verdin 😂
@@aperson1004 maybe because that's their language? Obviously
That actually makes sense good job 👍
Even as a kid who never saw deeper meanings in movies when I saw them, just taking them at face value I always felt a weird sinister undertone to it that I didn't understand
I always wondered why little kids watched The Simpsons, they couldn't possibly understand the satire, another adult explained to me that kids just take the story at face value.
@@darrenrobinson9041 that's true, you get a sense of something being off, evil or odd but just unable to discern the content.
@@darrenrobinson9041 My bro understood it he's 12
That’s why I always hated this movie as a kid. Not at one point did I ever feel “happy” while watching it. Not even when Charlie got the golden ticket. We all knew he was gonna get it lmao
Anyone ever notice that when Willy Wonka first introduces himself to the kids and parents, he's wearing the exact same goggles from the last room they go to for the tv kid? Like he had just finished testing it and left that room to go meet his guests.... o_O
He also never called it the "Tv room" as it's labeled in the elevator, he calls it the "Testing room..." The room he was testing to make sure nothing would go wrong at the end due to how crazy the technology in there was. He even worries about whether or not the kid being transferred to the tv will make it in, "one piece," as if it clearly wasn't fully tested, but was rushed at the last min for his master plan! *puts tin foil on hat and exhales deeply!!!!
no, the goggles aren't the same. his goggles when he first met the kids weren't round and white with dark lenses
I noticed. Why are they made the same!? Wait...his eyes are probably sensitive to sunlight. Never mind
@@zenith3570 actually from looking at pictures i found on google the only difference between the goggles he wore when greeting everyone and the goggles he wore in the TV room was the color. everything else seemed to be the same.
it was probably also labelled the television room to get mike to press exactly that button
I noticed that too
This video literally explains why i perfer 2005's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory rather than the 1971's Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
Same
Me too
The old movie oopa lumpas scared me like idky but it’s just something about them 😂
It sure does👍👍👍
Por que no los dos?
There's also another detail that connects both Wonka and Charlie....Charlie's dad worked in a toothbrush factory that shut down while Wonka's father was a dentist, so Wonka was not only feeding Charlie chocolate becuz he favored him, but also becuz he wanted to provide him with something his own father personally never provided him, which was candy
I've always questioned if there was more to this, simply because of Wonka's nonchalant behavior towards all the kids except Charlie.
Your channel has made me more of a movie theorist and I LOVE IT.
AgentPinkify always knew it was a plan never realized all that tho
He said ‘I don’t need to learn your names its not important’, just think about that
Limbo Bilbo he might saw them on television or newspaper
@@coldwolfy3238 He literally adresses that in the beggining of the video
@The 77nerds I think u are talking about the 1971 movie
Willy wonka: murders 5 kids
Duolingo owl: A M A T E U R
What does that mean?
Marie Garrett knowyourmeme.com/memes/evil-duolingo-owl
I forgott my french lessons yesterday. Now I hide under my bed.
The orignal movie yeh not this one. You see them walking out.
Hehe
So basically he's the eccentric chocolate making version of jigsaw
This hit deep!
@@ErikAnkan73 squid games
Your theory on him spying on the kids is 100% right. Because when he crashed in Charlie's house, how did he know Charlie made his factory out of toothpaste caps? He was looking all over the place cause he knew Charlie made it.
Nice tidbit.
Can you make a captain underpants theory
DarkWolf590 g
DarkWolf590 I agree he stopped looking around after he saw it.
Not to mention that if he didn't know house layout he would have maybe kill/crushed Charlie's family with glass elevator
🤔😱
This movie surely had a dark side...After Charlie convinces Wonka to visit his father , they reach to a white snowy plain with only the doctor's building standing there. In complete isolation...It surely is strange after all those years ,that building is still there.Alone.
heroyukimura Also that scene where Wonka’s dad says something like “you can go but when you will return I will not be there”, and when Wonka returns, his apartment is like sliced out from the building. That scene really terrified me as a kid, it felt like a nightmare. And then we see that doctor’s apartment standing alone, isolated in the snowy desert but he still manages to get newspapers. I think there’s some symbolism and deeper meaning in it. Both scenes are really surrealistic.
@@weirdofromspace2828 I totally agree with you there.I think that place.The snowy desert with the single building is just a fragment of a memory that belonged to Wonka's past .His father really kept all those newspaper pages and watched him from far...But then time passed and he died.The scene where he finally meets his father is just an atonement in his mind.
heroyukimura for me it also seems like it. Maybe the whole scene with the apartment was Wonka’s imagination before he went to Charlie to ask him once again about becoming his heir. Maybe he thought about meaning of family and went to make peace with his own past. Well, the film is far more complicated then it seems and too deep to be just a children film.
It's deep but alot of Tim Burton's films are supposed to be deep :3 also I have a theory that maybe willy actually asked for the newspapers to be sent the entire time whether or not his father was still there maybe? I'm not really sure though I could be completely wrong ^^`
@@weirdofromspace2828 i was terrified by the same thing, as it was creepy when a building was just magicly like teleported out cuz it looked weird when it was just a random hole where his father was.
fun fact about the movie.
Marilyn Manson wanted to play Willy Wonka, but they didn't hire him because they thought parents wouldn't let their kids see it if he played the role.
So Johnny Depp agreed to do the role, in place of his friend (Manson) and purposefully tried to at as much like Manson as he could while playing Wonka.
That's cool
Why wouldn’t they let their kids see it if he played the movie, sorry I don’t know who Manson is.
Personally, I think it would have been brilliant!! MM is a HUGE fan of the 1971 movie; he even has a cover of the creepy song Wonka sings in the tunnel on the boat. Manson calls it, "The Family Trip." It's on the first LP, first song.
@@insertusername4079 ruclips.net/video/8hKwHs9QkDc/видео.html
That would have been cool though
Even with how old this movie is, I feel like nobody’s talking about it enough
Most of kids I know probably don’t even know this movie exists, even thought it is the BEST
It was my FAVORITE as a kid. It was the movie I kept on repeat!
I thought it was a horror movie when I was a kid ;-;
@@G00dTaste lol
@@G00dTaste you THOUGHT? *it IS a horror movie*
16 years is a lot for a piece of culture? For example, Epic of Gilgamesh is from c. 2100 BCE, and people still perform it. When describing longevity of cultural achievement/heritage, a person shouldn't talk about it from mortal, human perspective xd but even if, 16 years it's a very short period, even for humans.
I had a crush with Willy Wonka as a kid, and still now.
same
He ain't bad looking I will give it that and he is also pretty genius to have planned all of it.
Its Johnny Depp darling! So yeah Willy still retains a lot of his good looks
@@marsonsaturn facts when Johnny Depp was young like in the 90s he was an absolute babe.
The one that looks like a ringleader , or the one that looks like a JoJo villain.
I can't believe how you turned a fictional movie based on a factional book into an actual conspiracy theory.
He makes this sound scary
cuz it is
Yeah but I like it at the same time as a kids movie it's it's Tim Burton... Cuz it is
Why wouldn't it be it's Tim burton and as most know Tim Burton's movie all have a creepy factor :3
Anything directed by Tim Burton will have a creepy element to it, and that’s why I love his movies
Backing up the spying theory. Charlie gets a wonka bar on his birthday every year, and in this version the promotion starts a week before his birthday
I saw this movie as a child and I always saw it in the same way.
Willy always wanted to give the factory to Charlie only that his own excentrism led him to find a way to educate him on how to run a factory. It was never about educating the parents of the other children, it was to educate Charlie.
Each child is a lesson for Charlie.
August was his first lesson, based on Charlie's present poverty. When someone becomes a millionaire overnight, they tend to indulge in excess 'pleasures' with excessive expenses, in this case gluttony. It was the way to teach Charlie to control the factory and focus on improving the product and not spending as much as possible. "Do not be "glutton" like August, always think before acting"
With violet the lesson was more towards the management of the factory and the enthusiasm towards the product, always listen to the professionals about the safety of the products, do not run towards something only based on its brilliant theory, it is always better to be sure before taking out to the market a product. Also a lesson about diversifying products and not just focusing on chocolate.
With Veruca, it's obvious. Charlie is a child and one who gets wealth, become a spoiled without criteria is very possible. Although the message is obvious, "Have gray matter" and do not let the luxuries rot you with false friends (The Veruca song is the most direct)"The more you descend on this road, you will only find false friends to accompany you in that rotten life"
Mike, it's the hardest to see. More than all the kids he was the smartest, including more than Charlie and the parents when he realized Willy's game, his simple-voiced song is about how television kills creativity and belittle the humanity of the individual. But I think in the end it's a lesson about how to be a better person. Not being superb with your own talents, Mike was the most intelligent of all but without care that led him to believe that he knew better than others regardless of the experience and talents of others. That form of mentality led him to be dwarfed in a world without creativity and dull ... so dull
I love what you wrote...amazing! I think it adds to this video and the movie as a whole, giving it a new perspective on things.
Honestly, I quite like your theory much more than this video's. Even as a child, I assumed it was obvious that everything was pre-planned. The old version is my favorite movie and I've watched it countless times, yet now I can watch it in a new light with your theory in mind ^_^
That seems so plausible it almost has to be true.
Hmmm very good theory
I never knew what he meant when he say to Mike:
“You’re the little devil that cracked the system”
But I guess I do now...
Mike is the smartest of the kids actually.
Damn,that line has so much more layers to it now.
I mean when the reporters were at mike house, he mentioned how he figured out how they were sending out the tickets.
@@jjminn95 OOOOOOOooooooohhh, I never understood what he was talking about! XD
That makes me enjoy the character even more
I don’t know if you added this but while the veruca Oompa Loompa song they had a picture of verucas mom..... where did they get it unless they were spying. I agree 100% with you
True but she is rich and famous so they could of just searched it on the internet depending on when this came out
the derp sandwich
But like...already printed out and ready to go down the chute with them? They had already known something was going to happen. 👀
i’m scared. “i see you wind’n and grind’n, up on the floor” iykyk
i was waiting for this khhfdsdghjjgf
Hhhhhhhhh girl-- 😭😭😭😭
stan duke for making that video😭
Not mention, after they were done with the factory and in Charlie's house, Wonka was looking around the house through cabinets. He only stops when he finds the model of the factory that Charlie made. Almost like Wonka knew Charlie had made the model and he was looking for it.
Im shook
Yea that was so strange lol
Yes exactly that makes perfect sense because why would he just be looking inside a strangers cabinets😭
I also think he was sick. I mean why would he want to find an heir at his 30s? He probably had candida an illness you get by eating too much candy. And by too much candy i mean replacing all your meals with it wich is something i can totally see him do. Anyways, its symptoms are skin and nail fungal infections which he hides with the clothes and the gloves, hives and rushes wich account for the wig and chronic fatigue wich explain the kane
In the book he says he eats normal food, the scraps of which are in the garbage chute
I agree. I always thought he had a chronic illness and ate to much candy
This is a great theory. Unfortunately, Wonka did have a normal diet. But, even if he had a healthy diet, he could've had allergy-induced-illnesses from the milk or sugar in the chocolate. Perhaps even diabetes. That could also explain the cane. He was struggling not to lose his toes from diabetes.
What other meanings does _'candy'_ have?
@@misc.endeavours8343 The cultists and Hollywood use that word as a codeword for music.
I feel like this isn't a conspiracy, it's fact. Like, when you analyse a story in English class and there's hidden meaning. I literally never questioned that the rooms were specially made for each kid.
A contrast from how MatPat does his theories; rather than accepting canon at face value, he makes up shit to diss on anyone who likes those IPs.
Even as a kid I knew something was up. The face he makes when Mike says "I wanna pick a room"
It's like "yes child, you've fallen into my trap"
And the way Wonka looks at the pipe in the chocolate room and then looks at Augustus and smirks, my sisters and I were like "he planned this!" Whenever we watched it.
I don’t know if it matters any but the Charlie in the first movie looks like he could be Willy Wonka‘s son. The Charlie in the second movie also looks like he could be Willy Wonka‘s son. Both Charlies looks so different from each other though. Both Willy Wonkas look very different from each other as well. So it’s clear that the movies aren’t following any physical feature rules. So why do both movies make it look like they are father and son?
I believe there was a video on the theory. Willy Wonka wanted his son (Charlie) to take over the factory but didn't want to expose himself as the father. So he set up the tour complete with traps aimed at the other children, so it would ensure that Charlie would be the winner and the heir to the Wonka fortune.
i saw another person say this but they said Wonka is Charlie but older, basically older charlie time traveled to when he was younger
*d a d d y W o n k a 👁 👅 👁*
They don’t to me.
The real Charlie was originally supposed to be a African kid along with the oompa loompas.
I always thought that Wonka had social anxiety disorder or was some kind of psychopath. Especially in the 2005 remake. For one, he acts very awkward toward the guests. Mostly when he attempts to introduce himself to the kids in the 2005 movie. He says, "Good morning star shine, the earth says hello!" Which was completely random. Then he awakwardly pauses, and pulls out a couple of note cards from which he reads, "My name is Willy Wonka. I shake you warmly by the the hand." No one should need note cards for your name, and a short greeting. There is more evidence for him being a psycho though. He never seems to care for the kids when they are in danger. In the 1971 or 2005 version. Even if it is planed, there is still a risk that the kids could be hurt or worse and he gives no shits. And the way he stares at the characters also seems a bit psychotic. And he also responds to certain questions weirdly. I thought he never answered any of Mike's questions cause he didn't want to seem crazy or that he was denying it. But I'm not sure.
good morning star shine the earth says hello is from a song
@S lmao me and my friend were 95 but grew up with classic rock parents and when we heard it we laughed our asses off
But johnny depp did a great job in this movie.
I know right, I only know the 2005 version and never understood how people could love the story. I found it creepy af.
Johnny depp does a fabulous job of making all his roles creepy
“WHiPinG a CoW doEs nOt MaKE WHipPeD CrEaM”
'For your information little guy
A whipped cream isnt a whiped cream unless it is being whiped with whips' 😏
I'm sorry, but you're missing a critical point. Dahl, himself. He did his stint as an Air Commander and *Intelligence Officer*
He specialized in patterns of human behavior and authored the first profiling techniques now used to find serial killers. He used these techniques in his writing to flesh out believable characters. His wife was also an expert at looking at potential motivations of behavior. While his technique of a hidden threat was laughed at, at the time it started to be used heavily in the 70's and today is required reading for forensic investigators in many countries around the world.
Where is the missed point?
Interesting if true, funny if false
Samurai Penguin - There are a few biographies of his life that cover the basics. The more in-depth portion of his intelligence career you can get anywhere, even on Wikipedia. Just follow the links.
That's really cool! Doesn't that further help my theory though?
The Theorizer - Yes, it very much does. It's just something that I felt may be relevant that you left out. I thought you may have left it out simply because your videos tend to stay 'in-world' and you piece your evidence together from visible attributes from that standpoint. It's one of the MANY reasons I enjoy your videos so much. I apologize if I came across otherwise.
In the beginning it says: " Charlie is the luckiest boy in the world, he just doesn't know it yet."
Before he found the ticket, it's sure that he will.
He's not one of the luckiest, he is the luckiest boy, so it's also sure that he will be Wonka's heir.
On top of this, that Narrator is an Oompa Loompa!
@@pyrosfolly5698 oh my god you two are right, that was just giant foreshadowing :o
Yes
I think it’s also notable that he’s wearing gloves, a common trope in film is that characters with something to hide will wear gloves
toni lmao
Really?? I never knew this.. 🤔 That's interesting!
But then he does work in a chocolate factory so like food hygiene
e m i l y definitely not the type of gloves to wear with food, they’d be latex or similar. Actual fabric gloves hold germs
@@madcasual1111 yeah i did think that lol but i suppose the oompa loompas do most of the work anyway
In the squirrel room, Wonka doesn't actually put the key in the lock when he opens the door for Veruca's father: in the shot before that, you can see the keyring hanging on the door, and in the next shot, all Wonka does is turn the key. He had the right key all along but waited to open the gate until Veruca fell in the chute. He opens the door very carefully and for some reason, it makes the entire scene so dark, I love it
This past summer, I was Charlie in a play that adds to this theory. Actually, it confirms this theory. Throughout the whole show, Wonka acted as the narrator, standing in the background in almost every single scene for the whole first act (before they actually get to the chocolate factory.) This shows that maybe he was there the whole time. In the scene where Charlie gets the golden ticket, he is at the candyman's candy stand. The scene starts with Wonka explaining a bunch of stuff, then, as Charlie walks onstage, Wonka drops a coin on the ground. This is the very same coin that Charlie finds and uses to buy the chocolate. At the end of the play, once all of the other children are gone. Wonka explains that from the start, he knew Charlie would be the perfect person to take over the factory. He says, "I designed all of the rooms we visited, each one for one child. I knew they'd be too tempted." But I doubt Wonka was able to watch the kids on television and design the rooms in a matter of days. This adds to the idea that Wonka had eyes on the kids and was spying on them before they got their golden tickets, then sent the tickets directly to them. Also, throughout the play, there is only one news reporter that interviews all of the kids for television. I doubt that reporter would've been able to travel from Germany, Brazil, Georgia (USA), California (USA), and then to London in only two or three days. Again, during the scene when Charlie finds his golden ticket, the news reporter appears within seconds of Charlie opening his golden ticket. Even if she lived in London, I doubt she would be right there as he found it. I think she may have been a news reporter recruited by Wonka to spy on these kids in the exact order. How else would she have been right there when all of them found their tickets? Anyway, that's just some personal information that confirms your theory.
EDIT: Also, don't you think it has to be a more than a coincidence that Charlie, a child obsessed and downright devoted to Willy Wonka, found the golden ticket to go to his factory, and later become the owner?
Jimmy Hunter incredible
I'm also playing Charlie in the same play! In fact, before scrolling down into the comments section, I left a comment myself on Mike Teavee and how he's like, the only brat to _live_ in the musical!
Ohmygosh! We saw that play last summer with my kids downtown. My oldest was 'eh" but my youngest and I really liked it. Considering the low budget wondering how certain effects would be pulled off. It felt like the new movie but the oopma songs from the original with a few extras. Not sure if you were the same kids that played Wonka in the show we saw... but it was done really well considering the age of the actors! I was impressed. And yeah I noticed when Wonka dropped the money for Charlie to pick up.
excellent horror story 😊
Jimmy Hunter I’m Charlie!
Mike is an underrated character. he's so smart
Indeed
Mike was always my favorite character when I watched the movie as a kid lol
@@yongbok69 yeah, you just confirmed that you are a psychopath
@@hierrikmedan6934 me as well
@@yongbok69 I know that this isn’t related to the video but my god I love your username
Last summer, I read a really good script called 'Wonka' it was written by Jason Micallef, it mainly tells the story of how Willy Wonka came to own the factory and it is quite dark. I really recommend it you can find it online.
Where can you find it?
Darth Watson The link didn’t worked
Your right
Type 'wonka script jason micallef' in Google and it is the second link down.
Sounds hype. Ima look into it
How teachers expect us to write an essay:
😂😂😂
I love knowing Johnny depp devoted his acting to making this theory so god damn true.
Heartless25 I started to like tim Burton and Jonny Depp after i seen Charile And The Charlie Factory.
"The Nuts... that's a perfect fate for her and her father"
Bruh.
Bruh
Bruh...
Bruh......
Bruh.......
I don't get it. Somebody help me.
This video made me want to watch the movie again. Upon doing so I realized something that I don’t think you mentioned in the video.. when the Oompa-Loompas do their first song Wonka mentions that they hadn’t had an audience in ages.. If the Oompa-Loompas came AFTER Wonka fired all his workers, who did the perform for?!
True
Didn’t really read to much into that line , kinda figured he meant since coming to the factory they hadn’t had an audience.
@@louisg99 My thoughts to. I assumed they danced and performed before they entered the factory.
@@MrSuperbeast92 but for who? Wonka says he saved the entire race of oompa loompas.
@@HowardTheDork He also mentioned how dangerous their homeland was. Maybe the environment was too dangerous and they didn't have enough food to continue surviving.
I just realized something. Violet has the same hairstyle as Willy Wonka, Veruca has the same hair color as him, Augustus shares the same love of chocolate with him and Mike shares the trait of intelligence with him. Charlie is, in fact, the only character who doesn't bear any similarities to him, other than (loosely quoting probably) 'Candy doesn't have to have a point'. He is innocent and pure and he grew up with good parenting, which is what Willy Wonka wanted, and so he makes the best heir.
Then just call up Charlie. Why punish the others? He's a creep lol.
Two days ago, I watched Tim Burton's version for the first time. I've seen the 1971 film probably 25 times. Something that popped out to me and that wasn't addressed in either of the two videos is the color choice of the clothing for the Oompa-loompas.
First child (Augustus) is wearing red in both the scene where he finds the ticket and when he is at the factory. For the Oompa-loompa song about him, they wore red, and we see them before we see him go into the chocolate, so we could call this part forshadowning of which child is about to be removed as well as foreknowledge by the Oompa-loompas (and thus Wonka) about what was about to happen.
Next, the Oompa-loompas show up rowing a boat and wearing suits of blue that match the second child (Violet) and her mother's blue track suits. The first two suit colors track well for predicting the child to go, but the third part breaks down a bit. The Oompa-loompas who roll out Violet the Gum-smacking Blueberry are wearing black suits, which should indicate that the next while to go will be Mike, the TeeVee kid, but that's not what happens. Still, I'm going to keep going with the concept because I believe that the directors/writers intentionally changed the suits here as a red herring for new viewers. The third time something happens in film is the place where most writers/directors break the pattern they have established with the first two times (see character guessing codes).
Veruca the Greedy went third, and she wears fur... like the furry squirrels who toss her into the chute. When the Oompa-loompa's show up, they are wearing yellow, which (though brighter) is close to the colors associated with Veruca. I admit that this part is a stretch and may have more to do with costuming than intended hints, but with all the other hints in the film, I doubt the color choices were accidents. That her color shows up after she goes down the chute feels like confirmation of their readiness for her to go.
Next. Mike the TV finds the TV room. In it, the Oompa-loompas are wearing white suits (with some black stripes), but if you compare Mike to his father, you see that his father wears light clothes while Mike wears dark. At this point in the store, the viewers know that Mike has to be next, so we don't need the foreshadowing or warning that the red and blue suits gave us. He's the only choice left, and the predominate white color on the Oompa-loompa's let them fade into the background for the scene, where any other color on that set would have drawn attention to them before they were needed center-stage. Plus, I could see the color choice as an homage to the original scene where the major characters all wore white suits, and that Mike the TV was wearing white.
Perhaps I'm putting together more than existed in the filming, but I like this hypothesis. I came up with it as I was watching this version for the first time.
*Note: I have enjoyed your two theory films on these movies.
Im curious how you enjoyed the 2005 movie, how was it for you?
This might be one of the longest comments I have ever read
My theory is that Mike was the original third to go , but something went wrong
@@mihaitavraciu2248 why is that?
@@obvjaime honestly as you can see it has been 11 months so I don't remember
This might sound far fetched but what if Wonka from the 2005 version sent someone to watch Charlie. One of his ex co-workers. Charlie’s grandfather. He gave his “secret quarter” to charlie so he can find the golden ticket, egging him on to find it. Out of everyone in Charlie’s family, he seemed the most enthusiastic.
It’s A Chair that's actually a very valid theory
DUN DUN DUUNNNNN!!!
Somehow I accidentally clicked on this comment and I wasn't looking at the time, I was busy 😂 Then I look down at my phone and see people's replies talking about a "chair" and I'm like "wait what the hell, this theory has concluded in being a chair!? How does that make sense" Then I realize that's your YT account name and people are just replying to you 😂😂 I'm so dumb lmao
Charlie found his dollar on the sidewalk and walked into a shop that's where those adults were trying to buy it off him. (not trying to ruin it or be a negative nancy.. but yeah) lol
@@charliewestfort6245 well it could also be someone in his family planting it there.
This just confirms my suspension more. Jeffree star is willy wonka
That Will be eeepiccc
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Dahvie vanity**
😂WTF
Suspicion
dude this is seriously the best content to watch when you’re high. like not to sound like an annoying internet stoner who talks about being high but you hit the nail on the head man
Well I often make these on autopilot due to sensory overload from anemia and derealization, so in a parallel sense, it’s also the best content to MAKE in an altered state of mind
5:59 actually, In the first scene we really get to see Willy wonka.. all off those creepy doll animatronics have burst into flames, and then later in the movie. We see a room specifically made for those burning dolls. And silly wonka remarks “It’s relatively new” which means that not only are the oompah loompas able to make rooms within days, they’re able to make them within HOURS! witch means it is 100% confirmed that Willy wonka could have just saw their headline on TV and made the oompah loompas make rooms specifically for them. (This also get’s you wondering.. since Charlie never had a headline on TV, that might be why he didn’t have a room.. could that mean that if he did.. Willy would’a Just torchered him too? Was the whole golden ticket thing just an assasination attempt on children..? Lol! Probably not.)
"relatively new" could also mean that it was made a few months ago. It all depends on how old the factory is. "relatively" means "somewhat", so saying something is "relatively new" just means somewhat new. Seeing how quickly the dolls burst into flames and how Wonka wasn't trusting enough in it to actually be in it, I assume that room was made alongside the dolls so they wouldn't have to waste money buying new dolls.
@@macklyon7476 Or just that it hasn't been used since being built.
iiBluB_HuB I don’t agree. Maybe he said that to cover it up. It can’t be just a coincidence that there are 4 brats and one angle. He must’ve planned it for a long time and how would he know if he wasn’t spying on the children
i have a theory...
the guy who sold charlie the one with the ticket said "forging a ticket" RIGHT when charlie was opening the bar, maybe purposeful to give him some hope?
he also encouraged charlie to take it, maybe making sure he gets to the factory
I can’t remember if it’s the first or second one, but the candyman switched the style of
candy bar from the one Charlie usually gets, saying something along the lines of Try this one this instead..
I argge
Also isn’t that weird that he said “which half of your son do you want.” After he goes into the tv thing
I think it would’ve been even more weird if the dad responded “bottom half”
@@coatsorkeys ROTFL
The characters represent the 7 Deadly Sins, wich is a subject first introduced by the Catholic Church. So, acording to Saint Thomas Aquinas, each sin has a sub-sin, or "daughter". I analized the film and I came to the next conclusion:
(now, I´m not affirming that it all goes one way, I think all sinners here could also have some mix from here and there, but I just list them as how definitive he or she potrays one deadly sin. Also, their dads are nothing but an extenssion of their same features)
ACCORDING TO A THOMISTIC VIEW:
PRIDE: resambles Mike. Why? Because he has some daughters of pride: Disobedience "don´t push my bottom" XD, boastfulness (he thinks he is super smart), contention (he always wants to fight), obstinancy, discord (he is practically mad the all time) and love of novelties (tv invention).
AVARAICE: that goes to Veruca. Here are some daughters of avaraice: treachery, fraud (she did not compitte fairly because she told her dad to use all resources from his fabric to find the freaking ticket) falsehood (when she says to Violet "let´s be friends") restlessness (she is unstoppable when she wants something) violence (trying to grab a squirrel just like that I think proves itself to be an act of violence against nature) and insensibility to mercy (you have to be very insensible to the fact of owning factory workers and put them to work to find just one ticket).
GLUTTONY: Augustus. Here some daughters of gluttony: unseemly joy (his happiness does not last, by fragments of second we see him either smiling in one scene but the other with lost gaze) scurrility (speaking while eating is considered an indecency of modals), uncleanness (I think that one is obvious) loquaciousness (speaking a lot, that one resembles his mother, probably) and dullnes of mind in regards to understanding (I think that behaving like a non stop eating machine kind of potrays this actitud of gluttony)
LUST: Violet. Belive it or not, here are some daughters of lust: blindness of mind (thinking and saying that nothing shall happen to her because she is a champion inspite of the warnings, is kind of a blind state to make) thoughtlessness (this is shown when she tells Charlie that he his a loser) rashness or impulsiveness (specially when she speeks) self love (when she wons the golden thicket she says that she is the best) and love of this world (she has many trophies from activicties regarding this world) We can also see the pattern of lust in her mom towards Wonka. This one is the most common among people and it leads to despair if not fixed.
Now, the other 3 deadly sins, I think can be found in Wonka himself and his dad:
SLOTH: Wonka. I know what you are thinking, how could Wonka be seen as lazy, if he owns a company and has proven to work this all time! Now, remmember that I am only menctioning daughters of sin, meaning that there are various ramnifications from this evil. Regarding Wonka, here are some daughters of sloth: sluggishnes in regard to the 10 comanmends (one of them, being respecting and loving our parents, something he did not do) faintheartedness (specially when speaking to the children, he would always push them away or demostrate that he was not interested in any of them) despair (he was not hopefull to regain confidence to meet his father again) Also, wandering of the mind after unlawful things (I think that one is obvious as he stares all the time with malice towards achiving his goals and some flashbacks of his broken heart).
ENVY: Wonka. How could he be jealous of anyone if he has everything? materially speaking, yes, but we know that material things cannot satisfy the human desire for love. Some daughters of envy are: hatred (to each kid), detraction (towards his father) joy at our neighbor´s misfortunes (he is very content after each kid gets eliminated from this game) and grief for our neighbor´s prosperity (he seemed quite puzzled after having a negative response from Charlie, because he realized that he had strong boundries towards his family, something he did not have)
ANGER: Wonka´s dad. Some daughters of anger are indignation (at his son recoleccting candy) clamor (raising his voice) contumely (name calling with sarcasm, when he says that he will not want that his son becomes a chocolatier) quearrels (so basically his all anger towards his son´s aspirations only tears their relation appart and provokes him to leave).
And Charlie, well, he is basically a saint :) Pursue holiness!
I did all of this when studying for my Theology Exam hehe :P
so, what do you guys think?
This comment is underrated
Wonka says: "don't push my button! "
The kids does and Wonka is pleased of it bc it was he's plan
Spell check ain't ur friend homeboy.
andrea layne I don’t think English is her first language. Spell check can only do so much.
andrea layne Do you speak more than one language?
Astrid Mystery why am I doing the exact same thing omg
andrea layne literally an additional s no typos smh try again
I think the theorizer is just Mike Tee Vee trying to prove his point after years of research
Dun dun DUUUUUN
HITS BLUNT the therorizer is just mike tee vee trying to prove his poin after years of research
lol yea
*GASP*
“Whipping a cow does not give you whipped cream”
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT HUH???
you sound like you're 5, it's because you stir milk/cream to make it, not whipping a cow.
Megan Ezell whoosh
@@megara83... I think it was sarcasm...
Hey.
Whipped cream is not whip cream unless its milked with a whip.
Just like how you need to mix chocolate with a waterfall to help make it light
ESP PupsnKits it’s r/wooosh
Roald Dahl 'roaling' in his grave: "It ain't that deep fam"
U British my g
i’ve always preferred the second willy wonka over the first
Neverrrr
taryn a i always liked the remake
Better, it’s more like the book it’s funnier and less music. And the characters are more on point
Same
Me too
Yea cuz your 12
“But the nuts... that’s a perfect fate for both her and her father.” Lol 😂
Lol
Sounds like ur a nut.I got a nut cracker if u need help
I've got fizzy lifting drinks.I call them YETI
You should do more Tim Burton movies, like Beetlejuice with something like who made the handbook, or Corpse Bride and how is Emily able to talk to dead and alive animals? (Dead dog, live spider) Or even Nightmare Before Christmas with the never ending question where is Halloween town? Is it on earth or another in another demension?? Like the possibilities are endless!!!!
Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
It always looked pretty evident to me that Wonka planned everything from the beginning and that he used the interviews off each kid on TV to trap them. And I thought that Charlie just wasn't trap because Wonka had nothing on him. But you're going wild with the theory, love it
I always thought it was strange how he interrupts Mike Tevee, and I'm glad someone put it all together.
your voice along with the video theme is scary af😂😂
It is...
@@Itsabbyyyy2 Yeah,I got chills and goosebumps that I almost didn't finish the video. Almost,I still wanted to finish it anyway.
Emily Dodd telling me im scared right now
22 minutes of creepiness?
9pm?
All alone?
Let’s do this
woah you need to calm down rascall
You're beautiful
Try doing it at 1 am B)
It's 4:00 am here
Cocohontas omg same
Not to mention that the child at the centre of his plan is related to one of his old workers too
Cute Disney Movies: exist
Theorizer: *d e a t h*
The grandfather whom went to the chocolate factory with Charlie had once work for Wonka. Wonka had been able to identified the grandfather as one of his trusted employees. Willy Wonka had been able to noticed how poor Charlie and his family were. So as a favor to one of his ex-employees, Willy Wonka had decided to choose Charlie as his heir. Of course, Willy Wonka had to test Charlie like the other kids. In the movie, Wonka had forgotten the importance of having a family. I am barely able to remember that the book had a different ending. Willy Wonka had travel back to Charlie's home to pick up his parents and his other grandparents.
in the second book he also knows charlie's grandma for some reason...
Yeah but he may have known all his employee's before his chocolate making business grew into a the biggest factory in the world!
he said he doesn't remember his grandpa
though that could be a lie or maybe not recognize who it is but by that time might recognize them.
@@DivineXPotato he feels bad for firing him so he said he doesnt remember to avoid awkwardness
The only people that Wonka actually goes out of his way to greet is Mike and Charlie. I have a feeling that Wonka was worried that Mike’s cleverness might beat his plan…
Are we gonna talk about how Wonka just randomly has a picture of Mrs. Salt
😂😂😂 omg yes you’re legit right, why on earth would he ACTUALLY have it unless he planned it!
IKR I WAS SO WAITING FOR IT XD
JAMES COOK AND BUGSHOT he was giving her that snickers bar if you know what i mean... Hehe
candy ghost
Oh my gosh........
Maybe with some Gushers too....?
YourEveryDayEmo damn we so dirty
Actually.... here is the correct way of how the children represent the seven deadly sins:
Violet = Pride
Augustus = Gluttony
Veruca = Envy (although she's MAJORLY rich)
Mike = Wrath
Maybe greed would fit Veruca better?
MyKoL LoKyM 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like these kids had disorders. Like augusts had an emotional eating disorder
@@MelB868 yeah because I had remembered that he said he just keeps eating and he doesn't know why
Veruca-lust?
when i was younger i could feel everything behind it, even though i couldnt see or comprehend it. now that im older i am absolutely fascinated by the level of depth and creativity in this movie. It has always been my favorite movie, and im just completely taken aback. absolutely amazing
Fun fact: Marilyn Manson was originally considered by Tim Burton for the role of Willy Wonka
👀👀👀that would have been interesting.
Oh God
Johnny Depp also went on record as saying his three main inspirations for his portrayal were Michael Jackson, Howard Hughes, and Marilyn Manson (he's friends with Manson IRL).
I'm so glad Johnny got the role. He is brillant!