Horacio asked him 250000£ for some small update on the car. Naturally that was too thick ask and Harry sold his car after that. If that would not have happened, I think Harry would have never sold his. Original value was almost same number.
@ that was for a totally optional upgraded exhaust system which it didn’t need. He could have quite happily kept it going on the yearly €10k-15k services.
5 years ago you didn't need to pay $1M for a Zonda, 2 years ago it would take $5M or so, today it seems like you can't get one for $10M! Do you think they're worth it?
All this for a car that has the same engine as Mercedes W140 S600(which you can get for 10k on facebook marketplace). I'm aware the Mclaren F1 engine shares some similarities with the engine in the BMW 850CSi but it is still for the most part bespoke unlike the Pagani. And 850CSi's aren't exactly cheap either.
@joshuamanayani2964 it actually only uses the block of that motor for the paganis. They use a dohc head and different internals and that is why it has its own engine model number
@@joshuamanayani2964The original zonda engine is the s600 engine 👍 I'm using for for my supercar project. All the other zondas have the AMG version which is super rare and hard to find. It has a billet crank, titanium conrods, lightweight pistons, bigger valves and more aggressive cams. It's an Amazing m120 based engine 😍
If I even had 100 mil in the bank right now 5 mil would be my limit and that's for the green Zonda Cinque specifically. The amount of cars I would rather buy with 15-20 mil would be far more enjoyable than that one Pagani imo.
I saw my first Zonda in 2005, it was the only Pagani in Australia at the time. It was tucked away in a corner at the Sydney International Motor Show... that moment is burned into my memory!
The Zonda to me is what the F1 is to others. My fav car since i was a kid in 2002. Ive seen nearly 10 in my life in person. Cinques are approaching $20M. One offs are in the $10M+ range. Thats the dream car & to me it belongs on Mt Rushmore for supercars. Diamante Verde is at $15M rn & if i hit the lottery thats my first purchase.
Agreed, f1 was my original favourite supercar for many years until the zonda came along 😍 now they are unobtainium the only way for me is to build a supercar with the OG Mercedes zonda engine 😎
Considering that he is a salesman of such vehicles, I've heard this SAME argument for anything from specific Ram trucks to specific Corvettes... from salesmen. Always, always, always hype the small market of X vehicle (which Ed does with this channel), the exclusivity and the story.
@@LeadFarmer1597 Harry's garage channel just came out with a video titled "Cars today are depreciating faster than ever. What's gone wrong & could Ferrari's F80 be next?" three days ago, lol
3:22 Harry Metcalfe at the background, who has one of the almost first Zonda’s. Car in photo not his ex Zonda. ps. Talking super slow and punctuating _every_ _word_ _separately_ does not make you sound more knowledged or more important. Just a headsup, start talking normally. This 12 minutes felt like 30 minutes and he said nothing of significance or what everyone would not already know.
This video should've either been 5 minutes shorter, or 25 mins longer with specific examples and videos showing the various grail cars & explaining the options that made them as such.
The F80 goes against the Ferrari formula of captivating beauty + fantastic sounding engine. They’ll be able to get away with it once, maybe twice. Then it’s over. Ferrari is not Porsche.
The zonda is so deeply tied to Lamborghini and paganis history combined with the timeless styling and the active upgrade program make this car one of the best collectors cars of all time
Car enthusiasts won't sell their favorite vehicles for any rational amount that far exceeds it's actual value...? Buddy that's true from a $500 beater in high-school to a $100,000,000 highly coveted supercar that sits most of the time and has never truly been driven. Not unusual at all.
Zonda prices have always been insane. Some are turning 25 now and being imported for US collectors w/o show and display restrictions. Nothing new here, just folks jockeying for market share. Zonda is the GOAT though.
yeah when you buy this car (if you can) you're essentially in a room of oil princes, the world's most private (and sketchy) billionaires from the US to Russia, and even apple executives (eddie cue has the red zonoda cinque) it's crazy. And is the car even all that fun to drive? i dunno jason camissa said the F50 was a cooler driving experience on the carmudgeon podcast.
I am fortunate to have driven the Zonda (Nero) in that Camissa video back in 2019 before it was modified to enter the USA under Show and Display. It was, and will remain, one of the best driving experiences of my life. The car Camissa drove had been changed to meet USA emissions including old mercedes ECUs and massive changes to the exhaust system. Camissa alluded to it in the dicussion but did not seek to clarify and just put out a completely amateur video out there for laughs and views which is an outlier amongst all other Zonda reviews. I would not take that show seriously. The place that did the Show and Display changes did not do a good job - there is another place that does a much better job. With small changes that Zonda can be returned to its former glory. Furthermore at this point that car (along with more Zondas each year) can come into the USA with zero changes as it is 25 years old. The USA car collectors are a huge market and I think the value of Zondas will continue to increase.
The ultra-rich need physical representations of their divine powers, whether it means buying a ridiculous automobile, watch, handbag, diamond, glass cube, or even politician.
@@mikedemarchelier9090 Those who are able to watch this video and comment are easily among the top 1% of the most privileged human beings to have ever lived on this planet. The gap between the top and the bottom isn’t a very relevant statistic. Far more important, capitalism has brought more people out of poverty in record numbers and in many countries the poorest people have a standard of living that would make the 1% from a century ago jealous.
This guy knows nothing. There are around 170 Zondas including race cars and Horacio owns around 20. There is around 150 Zondas in private ownership, not less than 100 like this guy said.
I was just wondering why it would be neccessary to make that facial impression and kneel on every thumbnail. I cant stand the guy. I have interviewed him actually about 10 years a go and met few times before that shortly.
I’m as big a fan of the Zonda as they come but there is always an upgrade, some new variant, someone taking an original Zonda f and making it their own one off 760 type, it’s kinda of ruined them in a way, well not ruined but it’s killed some of the mystic presence. I get it’s cool to do the scoops and more hp and more insane carbon and whatever but the Zonda F and the Zonda Tricolore for me are the real masterpieces. I’m sure the Arrevederici or however you spell it isn’t really the last one. They have been saying that forever.
Zonda Arrivederci is the last one built as a new car. There are only 140 cars, each with a unique VIN. Other cars you may think are new builds are upgrades to existing cars.
Went to Pagani in San Cesario sul Panaro this summer, and the tour guide informed us that some of the Zonda's in there were worth up to 20 million Euros. Loved the factory and the uniqueness of Pagani compared to Ferrari or Lamborghini but not 19 million Euros more.
This kinda makes me sad. I'm a well off person and at retirement I MIGHT be able to liquidate most of my assets and grab an F40. The Zonda is the 1 single car ever made that to me is above the F40 on my list. So much for that 😢
This channel is successful due to having strong speakers who can tell a story. This dude talking about car prices like he just got back from a life altering deployment to Iraq
I thought the same thing when I first heard this detail. I asked ChatGPT for the reason behind this and didn’t get a very satisfactory answer that made sense to me. If you feel like running around in a circle ask ChatGPT to explain the reasoning behind this business decision.
I think what he means is many Zondas are in the hands of multi pagani owners like Mike Yin. People that have a very close relationship with the company 👍
Zonda prices are stratospheric compared to the Huayra, and the Huayra is already expensive. So sad to think the Zonda launched at a few $100k, now it's further out of reach even at a higher salary than it ever was when it launched. I guess the first buyers were taking a risk on whether the company would survive.
"there are people who have sold more Zondas than I have, but my number is not zero".... from listening to this story, my impression is his number may be more than zero, but it's defintely less than one
Well, there was just over 120 of them made. Each one is almost a one-off. If you wanted you can send the car back and make it even more special. Now with Paganis being not just a car but modern engineering art its finest. Art is also used as a oney laundering vehicle or an investment to hold cash without paying taxes on it. So many options in that regard. If money was no object would i spend $20mil on a zonda? No, would just go buy a newer pagani or other hypercars for that money.
In whose opinion is the F1 one of the best driver's cars? People who have never driven the car, investors who have the car and want it to increase in value even more, people who pay to have good things said, or Murray fanboys? Because I've had the opportunity to talk to some owners over the years and some of them said they wouldn't even put it in the top 50 they've ever driven! That it's unstable at high speeds, terrible at braking, that the driving position isn't very good just because it's in the middle, etc. That the best thing about the F1 is the BMW engine!
“Zonda prices are sky rocketting” holy cow what’s next Mclaren F1s are still millions of dollars? Why did this need a whole 12 minute video, any car enthusiasts knows Zondas are now millions of dollars.
Pagani will be/are the modern Ettore-made Bugatti 😎 A Veyron though impressive, is a VAG corporate board engineering flex……with a purchased brand name🙄
Not sure what all this story brought to the table. For a long time it was known owning a Pagani ia different from just about any other brand. Felt like this could have been summed up in to a 1 minute short.
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Watch on 1.5x speed. You’re welcome
Ikr, this guy takes forever to finish a sentence.
Thank you. Was driving me nuts.
1.25 is perfect
Dude beats around the bush for dramatic effect but it makes his story unbearable to endure.
Frfr
This guy talked for 12 minutes and said nothing
Facts
Buddy is diabolical
I came here to say exactly that.
Talking for 12 minutes and saying nothing is crazy
I suspect he's about to have a Zonda up for sale.
What a feat, 12 minutes of pure wind. Exhausting to watch.
Yeah, let's hope this is the last time he's featured on vinwiki
Don’t watch this if you’re Harry’s Garage who sold his 14 years ago for about about £650k / $840k
he sold it 14 years ago
Horacio asked him 250000£ for some small update on the car. Naturally that was too thick ask and Harry sold his car after that. If that would not have happened, I think Harry would have never sold his. Original value was almost same number.
@ that was for a totally optional upgraded exhaust system which it didn’t need. He could have quite happily kept it going on the yearly €10k-15k services.
Lets not talk about wyclefs Buy 1 Half Off & Get 2 free deal😭 i haven’t even seen dollars stores do such thing
@@andrewhurstcars he bought it in 2006 and sold it in 2011. He says it in 6:35 of the video you just mentioned
Tried to watch this at 0.5x speed, I'm dead
i just switched it to .5 and I'm dying bahahahaha
why is he talking like he is on to something? this has been known for like 15 years?
Warning: Watch it at 2x speed or risc breaking your device
Or don't watch it at all... He said basically nothing
This dude made a 3 minute short a 12 minute video with his pausing
Omg the kid was right Speed up to 1.25X ur welcome
Could this guy talk any slower?
x1.25 playback is entirely enjoyable, and he doesn’t have a chip monk voice.
@@davidblalock9945 Yeah, that’s what I resorted to.
5 years ago you didn't need to pay $1M for a Zonda, 2 years ago it would take $5M or so, today it seems like you can't get one for $10M! Do you think they're worth it?
All this for a car that has the same engine as Mercedes W140 S600(which you can get for 10k on facebook marketplace). I'm aware the Mclaren F1 engine shares some similarities with the engine in the BMW 850CSi but it is still for the most part bespoke unlike the Pagani. And 850CSi's aren't exactly cheap either.
Nope, remember time no one want it at 300k. Italiano AMG nothing special just next cult
@joshuamanayani2964 it actually only uses the block of that motor for the paganis. They use a dohc head and different internals and that is why it has its own engine model number
@@joshuamanayani2964The original zonda engine is the s600 engine 👍 I'm using for for my supercar project. All the other zondas have the AMG version which is super rare and hard to find. It has a billet crank, titanium conrods, lightweight pistons, bigger valves and more aggressive cams. It's an Amazing m120 based engine 😍
If I even had 100 mil in the bank right now 5 mil would be my limit and that's for the green Zonda Cinque specifically. The amount of cars I would rather buy with 15-20 mil would be far more enjoyable than that one Pagani imo.
Bro are you ok?
Holy shit. Spit it out dude. 2 min in and I gave up.
I love paganis but I love Koenigsegg more
I was 12 years old the 1st time I saw a Zonda C12. A Zonda has been my dream car ever since. Now at 36, a Zonda is further away than it was in 1999.
👍
I saw my first Zonda in 2005, it was the only Pagani in Australia at the time. It was tucked away in a corner at the Sydney International Motor Show... that moment is burned into my memory!
The Zonda to me is what the F1 is to others. My fav car since i was a kid in 2002. Ive seen nearly 10 in my life in person. Cinques are approaching $20M. One offs are in the $10M+ range. Thats the dream car & to me it belongs on Mt Rushmore for supercars. Diamante Verde is at $15M rn & if i hit the lottery thats my first purchase.
Agreed, f1 was my original favourite supercar for many years until the zonda came along 😍 now they are unobtainium the only way for me is to build a supercar with the OG Mercedes zonda engine 😎
Considering that he is a salesman of such vehicles, I've heard this SAME argument for anything from specific Ram trucks to specific Corvettes... from salesmen. Always, always, always hype the small market of X vehicle (which Ed does with this channel), the exclusivity and the story.
Cultivated Collector will have a Zonda for sale within the month. I'd bet on it.
@@LeadFarmer1597 Harry's garage channel just came out with a video titled "Cars today are depreciating faster than ever. What's gone wrong & could Ferrari's F80 be next?" three days ago, lol
Yeah, nobody cared about gated manuals till all these RUclipsrs wouldn't shut up about it. They pump the prices on their cars like crazy too.
3:22 Harry Metcalfe at the background, who has one of the almost first Zonda’s. Car in photo not his ex Zonda.
ps. Talking super slow and punctuating _every_ _word_ _separately_ does not make you sound more knowledged or more important. Just a headsup, start talking normally. This 12 minutes felt like 30 minutes and he said nothing of significance or what everyone would not already know.
cool, i'll close this video and unsubscribe. I can't stand that slow talking to milk the video past 10mins.
This video should've either been 5 minutes shorter, or 25 mins longer with specific examples and videos showing the various grail cars & explaining the options that made them as such.
First encountered the Zonda in Gran Turismo 3, been in love ever since
Unwatchable at normal speed
This guy bringing us the most up-to-date economic news for the common man, and never actually getting to the point
The new F80 makes me really appreciate the real beauty of the Pagani. I’d rather own a beautiful car, than a fake race car.
It has to be, what you call "fake" to be road legal. The term fake is a misnomer to begin with.
So you're a poser. Good for you.
The F80 goes against the Ferrari formula of captivating beauty + fantastic sounding engine. They’ll be able to get away with it once, maybe twice. Then it’s over. Ferrari is not Porsche.
The zonda is so deeply tied to Lamborghini and paganis history combined with the timeless styling and the active upgrade program make this car one of the best collectors cars of all time
Car enthusiasts won't sell their favorite vehicles for any rational amount that far exceeds it's actual value...?
Buddy that's true from a $500 beater in high-school to a $100,000,000 highly coveted supercar that sits most of the time and has never truly been driven.
Not unusual at all.
Damn he can’t even hold my concentration for 30 seconds talking about one of the coolest cars ever produced
Zonda prices have always been insane. Some are turning 25 now and being imported for US collectors w/o show and display restrictions. Nothing new here, just folks jockeying for market share. Zonda is the GOAT though.
I took one look at thr thumbnail and new it was gonna be this guy
yeah when you buy this car (if you can) you're essentially in a room of oil princes, the world's most private (and sketchy) billionaires from the US to Russia, and even apple executives (eddie cue has the red zonoda cinque) it's crazy. And is the car even all that fun to drive? i dunno jason camissa said the F50 was a cooler driving experience on the carmudgeon podcast.
Theyre overhyped overpriced slow kit cars
I am fortunate to have driven the Zonda (Nero) in that Camissa video back in 2019 before it was modified to enter the USA under Show and Display. It was, and will remain, one of the best driving experiences of my life. The car Camissa drove had been changed to meet USA emissions including old mercedes ECUs and massive changes to the exhaust system. Camissa alluded to it in the dicussion but did not seek to clarify and just put out a completely amateur video out there for laughs and views which is an outlier amongst all other Zonda reviews. I would not take that show seriously. The place that did the Show and Display changes did not do a good job - there is another place that does a much better job. With small changes that Zonda can be returned to its former glory. Furthermore at this point that car (along with more Zondas each year) can come into the USA with zero changes as it is 25 years old. The USA car collectors are a huge market and I think the value of Zondas will continue to increase.
The ultra-rich need physical representations of their divine powers, whether it means buying a ridiculous automobile, watch, handbag, diamond, glass cube, or even politician.
@@mikedemarchelier9090 Those who are able to watch this video and comment are easily among the top 1% of the most privileged human beings to have ever lived on this planet. The gap between the top and the bottom isn’t a very relevant statistic. Far more important, capitalism has brought more people out of poverty in record numbers and in many countries the poorest people have a standard of living that would make the 1% from a century ago jealous.
Who tf is talking about people who lived a century ago lol keep brownnosing the absurdly rich I hope you make it in the next life
Favorite color: orange 🍊
@@somenygaardok elons balls
Is he a politician? So many words to say so little except the most obvious.
Fantastic topic, unbearable delivery. Painful to listen to
This guy knows nothing. There are around 170 Zondas including race cars and Horacio owns around 20. There is around 150 Zondas in private ownership, not less than 100 like this guy said.
That Shmee guy always looks like he's in great pain....
I was just wondering why it would be neccessary to make that facial impression and kneel on every thumbnail. I cant stand the guy. I have interviewed him actually about 10 years a go and met few times before that shortly.
Can’t stand him either. I don’t know who his fans are, I’m assuming kids
He makes up for being an annoying dork by being rich 😂
Thank you for all the content y’all make
this guy needs a speech therapist
I forgot what the video was about 2 minutes in
For me the Zonda S, F, Cinque and Tricolore's are the best versions of this car.
Spit it out my guy!
I’m as big a fan of the Zonda as they come but there is always an upgrade, some new variant, someone taking an original Zonda f and making it their own one off 760 type, it’s kinda of ruined them in a way, well not ruined but it’s killed some of the mystic presence. I get it’s cool to do the scoops and more hp and more insane carbon and whatever but the Zonda F and the Zonda Tricolore for me are the real masterpieces. I’m sure the Arrevederici or however you spell it isn’t really the last one. They have been saying that forever.
Zonda Arrivederci is the last one built as a new car. There are only 140 cars, each with a unique VIN. Other cars you may think are new builds are upgrades to existing cars.
Went to Pagani in San Cesario sul Panaro this summer, and the tour guide informed us that some of the Zonda's in there were worth up to 20 million Euros. Loved the factory and the uniqueness of Pagani compared to Ferrari or Lamborghini but not 19 million Euros more.
Why does he talk so slow on purpose? It's intensely annoying. Manages to make even this discussion tedious.
omg the pauses are killin me
/finishes video
....and JFC nothing was said anyway, welp at least there were some nice pics of Pagani's
Zonda the only pagani that has ever LOOKED Good
I wonder how his customers don't die of boredom during their deals
Pagani Zonda is my favourite 😍
I can't wait to drive my budget Zonda build😎
Worst presenter ever for the coolest car ever. Sorry bro if you see this but god almighty.
This kinda makes me sad. I'm a well off person and at retirement I MIGHT be able to liquidate most of my assets and grab an F40. The Zonda is the 1 single car ever made that to me is above the F40 on my list. So much for that 😢
Get that f40 while you can. The zonda probably doesnt drive well
As my grandmother used to say, “He spoke and he spoke. And in the end, he said nothing.”
So the next car trek will be tyler and ed, showing off their bugattis and making fun of freddy for only having a P1
Zonda is my money no object dream car. Looks and sound are like nothing else on the road.
Agreed 😎👍
This channel is successful due to having strong speakers who can tell a story. This dude talking about car prices like he just got back from a life altering deployment to Iraq
I watch at 1.75 speed and was still waiting long for pauses 😂😂
I feel like this guy studies the thesaurus.
Tries to sound intelligent by using relative phrases and big words lol.
I tryed to watch at .25 speed
I dont understand, he is saying Horacio controls more than 50 Zondas? Why would he have that many?
I thought the same thing when I first heard this detail. I asked ChatGPT for the reason behind this and didn’t get a very satisfactory answer that made sense to me. If you feel like running around in a circle ask ChatGPT to explain the reasoning behind this business decision.
I think what he means is many Zondas are in the hands of multi pagani owners like Mike Yin. People that have a very close relationship with the company 👍
Horacio holds them to inflate values🤷🏽♂️. How can a car thats never gone racing be worth more than $10M?
Zonda prices are stratospheric compared to the Huayra, and the Huayra is already expensive. So sad to think the Zonda launched at a few $100k, now it's further out of reach even at a higher salary than it ever was when it launched. I guess the first buyers were taking a risk on whether the company would survive.
People have sold more Zondas than me.,,, but my numbers not zero. What an odd way to word things. He sounds like a brain damaged politician, I’m out
Lmao yeah that was bizarre
The zonda was perhaps my favorite car of the era.
Me taking on this man's advice with $36.50 in my bank account....
"there are people who have sold more Zondas than I have, but my number is not zero".... from listening to this story, my impression is his number may be more than zero, but it's defintely less than one
Never again will I click play when his face is on screen 😂
1.75 speed made the video better, and he still overall said nothing except a Zonda requires a blank check, which I already knew.
Well, there was just over 120 of them made. Each one is almost a one-off. If you wanted you can send the car back and make it even more special. Now with Paganis being not just a car but modern engineering art its finest. Art is also used as a oney laundering vehicle or an investment to hold cash without paying taxes on it. So many options in that regard. If money was no object would i spend $20mil on a zonda? No, would just go buy a newer pagani or other hypercars for that money.
There are 140 road going Zondas across all models.
You can tell this guy is a car salesman because he just spent 12 minutes saying nothing
Guess when u sell paganis you have to be extra special
This dude said a lot of words to not make a point. I enjoyed the slideshow of Pagani’s at least
Art. money is what you see. art is what you get.
I love Paganis
I think it’s by far the Sickest car ever. Ever.
EGGS drove 30 in a row for their anniversary. Dare the Paganini owners to do something similar...
I can’t even find any sale prices for base zondas in usa
When are people gonna be honest about pagani . Salomondrin told the truth about them that they’re shitty and slow . Beautiful car though
Wow nice new intro
You just get how to make a great video!
12 minutes of empty air
🌬️
So basically you’re saying I’ll never own one.
Ed, please play some exiting music behind this guy so we do t fall asleep 😅 (1.5x does help)
In whose opinion is the F1 one of the best driver's cars? People who have never driven the car, investors who have the car and want it to increase in value even more, people who pay to have good things said, or Murray fanboys? Because I've had the opportunity to talk to some owners over the years and some of them said they wouldn't even put it in the top 50 they've ever driven! That it's unstable at high speeds, terrible at braking, that the driving position isn't very good just because it's in the middle, etc. That the best thing about the F1 is the BMW engine!
Everyone who has drive one.
Buddy is talking to the 0.01% of people it was absurdly expensive for most people regardless lol
I loved the joker reference!! 😂
Now we know what it takes so long to buy one from this particular salesman 😂
Always enjoy Matthew Ivanhoe videos and his breadth of knowledge. Thank you and have a great day!
Long story short, these cars are tickets to exclusive clubs.
“Zonda prices are sky rocketting” holy cow what’s next Mclaren F1s are still millions of dollars? Why did this need a whole 12 minute video, any car enthusiasts knows Zondas are now millions of dollars.
They've always been my favorite super car, ever since GT3. Such a beautiful car 😍
Was the audio set to 0.75x?
i enjoy this guys stories.
You're being sarcastic right
The Zonda is Horacio's masterpiece ❤️
Matthew has everyone scrambling for a dictionary to learn the definition of “cogent.” 😂
Is this guy on Xanax
We should be paid for having to watch this 12 minute non answer
Zondas have reached the same status as the F1
Which version is it at 4:58?
Let's pick up the pace there...
Only the Italians can get away with overpriced "collector" cars with a few exceptions.
Pagani will be/are the modern Ettore-made Bugatti 😎
A Veyron though impressive, is a VAG corporate board engineering flex……with a purchased brand name🙄
it's a fkn work of art. Really though Pagani is a timeless design and looks way better than the Spyker turd
This guy is just saying a bunch of bs that doesn’t even make sense
Not sure what all this story brought to the table. For a long time it was known owning a Pagani ia different from just about any other brand. Felt like this could have been summed up in to a 1 minute short.
Tough crowd😂😂😂😂… I thought it was because I couldnt afford one but I might be wrong