I like season 7 Buffy. It’s one of my favorites and Season 5 Angel is so good. When Fred died I was crushed. It was great. I love the episode where they are all drunk. 😆
I'm coming in a year late. I agree with a lot of the points you made, but disagree with a lot of the end rankings. My list would be: 12: Angel S3 11: Buffy S1 10: Buffy S4 9: Angel S1 8: Angel S4 7: Angel S2 6: Buffy S2 5: Buffy S7 4: Buffy S5 3: Angel S5 2: Buffy S6 (though Dark Willow is definitely the better big bad imo than the Mayor) 1: Buffy S3
@@squirlmy That's interesting. I've heard that thought about S6 and S7 before but never about S5. I mean, you do you, of course ^_^ I just haven't heard that sentiment about S5 before.
12.Buffy Season 7 11.Buffy Season 6 10.Angel Season 4 9.Angel Season 5 8.Buffy Season 4 7.Buffy Season 1 6.Angel Season 1 5.Angel Season 3 4.Buffy Season 5 3.Angel Season 2 2.Buffy Season 3 1.Buffy Season 2
Awesome video! Thank you for this. My ranking: 12. S4 Angel 11. S1 Buffy 10. S4 Buffy 9. S1 Angel 8. S7 Buffy 7. S3 Angel 6. S3 Buffy 5. S2 Angel 4. S5 Buffy 3. S2 Buffy 2. S5 Angel 1. S6 Buffy
I'm a HUGE Faith stan so season 3 is the best season of Buffy for me. And I love "Gingerbread" if for no other reason than to hear Sheila call Buffy "Bunny" 😁.
I often find it interesting people hate on ANGEL Season 4 so much when it's one of my favorites in the series. It's one of the only seasons on Angel where there's an overarching story that runs the entire season. Even better yet, it's a story that built off the story of season 3 and added nods to seasons 1 and 2 as well. I also liked the revelation that Jasmine had planned this all along as it gave continuity reasons for previously unexplained events like who brought Angel back and why was he sparred when the sun should have come up to kill him. That said, you should probably know the reason the season does feel a bit messy is because Cordelia's pregnancy wasn't known to the show-runners during the initial storyboarding process. They had to write her pregnancy into the show halfway through filming and it caused them to have to make changes to the direction they were going. Cordelia was always going to be the Big Bad, but she wouldn't have given birth to another character. Her and Angel were ultimately going to have to come to blows mirroring Buffy having to kill Angel to save the world. It was also being built from the moment Angel started teaching her how to fight. Doyle was also meant to make a return this season and Glenn Quinn unfortunately died from an overdoes before that could happen. Who knows how this season would have fared had such drastic rewrites not taken place.
Those changes certainly would have improved it. Yeah I did know about Charisma Carpenter's pregnancy, it's just her whole arc and everything with Connor dragged this one down so much for me. That being said, I have grown to like it a little more over time and Apocalypse Nowish is excellent.
That’s crazy I was holding onto hope that Doyle would come back for pretty much the entire run of the show. Had no idea the actor passed away until now
I agree. It's one of my favorite seasons in the entirety of the Buffyverse. That fight with the gang and The Beast was epic! It doesn't deserve the hate it gets except that everyone (including me) was sickened by Cordy sleeping with the aged version of a character she held as a baby the previous season. I mean, ick. I don't care if she wasn't Cordy in that moment. Just, no. Plus, the destruction of Cordy's character overall. Still, I just really love the season overall. I love anytime Angelus comes out to play. Additionally, we got some killer episodes and stunts when Faith rolled back into town. Thrilling season really with some regretably huge mistakes.
now we know why they did that to cordelia, her reappearance in the 100th episode made it better but didnt entirely make up for what they did to her at the end of season 4.
I've never watched Buffy consecutively so I only have Angel to go off of. I remember enjoying the entirety of Angel except maybe one weak season and that might have been season 4? I have finally started Buffy after all these years and I'm on season 1. It's a fun show but I'm looking forward to it finding its stride because it's a little bit indecisive on what it wants to be so far.
I loved both these shows and will admit both had dips in quality throughout their seasons but it was excellent telly all round I still watch them on DVD to this day and the only programmes since they ended that will have that type of nostalgia feel are prison break the walking dead and the office UK
Yeah, it certainly had dips but the high's were so high. I love all of those shows too, although my love for The Walking Dead isn't what it once was. Thanks for watching the video. There's a weekly Buffy series I'm uploading if you wanted to take a look :)
Great commentary. My ranking: 12: B1 11: B4 10: A1 9: B7 8: A4 7: B5 6: A2 5: A5 4: B3 3: B2 2: A3 1: B6 BtVS 6 is my personal favourite because it is so dark. It was very ahead of its time in its depiction of ‘incel’ Warren and I thought the Trio were hilarious. Also, it was important that Willow’s reckless flirting with magic would eventually have negative consequences. I do agree that the Spike/Buffy relationship was done quite clumsily and I feel that Xander jilting Anya, even though he did it because he thought she deserved better than him, was jarring. IMO AtS 5 is overrated, You’re Welcome onwards is class but until that point it takes a while to really get going. And I find Spike pretty irritating in that period tbh.
I don't agree with the ranking but I agree with and respect the reasons for ranking. I honestly think when it comes to ranking seasons like this it comes down to personal preference. Pretty much no season of TV has ever been perfect and while some are better than others obviously I think it ultimately comes down to what and who you love in the show. I agree with your top pick though, Buffy S5 was the best of the best and its a shame that they went and destroyed a lot of what made S5 so great when they got into S6. It really is the characters that drive the programmes more than the plots I think.
Interesting takes. I'm an AtS s4 apologist so it is ranked much higher for me and s2 of AtS because of the deconstrution of Angel's character is always going to outrank s5 for me. But I see where you're coming from and you made good points. Except s7 of BtVS... I'm one of those fans who finds it inexcusible. My rank is: B2>B3>A2>B5>A1>A4>A5>B4>B1>>>>B6>A3>B7. Good video! I hope you make more Buffyverse content.
Thanks. Got some ideas for new videos! It's funny about season 7, I had no idea that it was so divisive until recently. I did love what they did with Angel's character in season 2, strong stuff.
I disagree with a few especially as as I’m an avid defender of Season 6 but Angel Season 5 and Buffy Season 5 we’re definitely the best of the best as well for me. My ranking would be. 12 - Season 1 (Buffy) 11 - Season 3 (Angel) 10 - Season 4 (Buffy) 9 - Season 4 (Angel) 8 - Season 1 (Angel) 7 - Season 7 (Buffy) 6 - Season 6 (Buffy) 5 - Season 2 (Angel) 4 - Season 2 (Buffy) 3 - Season 3 (Buffy) 2 - Season 5 (Angel) 1 - Season 5 (Buffy) You should also do a video ranking the big bads from best to worst or the top 10 most powerful Buffy/Angel characters, that would be hella cool :)
I had to break them up. Buffy - 3, 2, 1, 7, 4, 5, 6 Angel - 2, 3, 5, 1, 4 I honestly don't get the hype around season 5. I thought the show's production quality (fight choreography, cinemotagraphy) dropped drastically in this season. I also didn't think Glory was nearly as intimidating as Faith and the Mayor. Heck, I didn't even find her as intimidating as The Master.
For me its: - the meh 12. Buffy S7 11. Angel S1 10. Buffy S4 9. Buffy S1 - the good 8. Buffy S6 7. Angel S2 6. Buffy S3 5. Angel S3 4. Buffy S5 - the best 3. Angel S4 2. Buffy S2 1. Angel S5
100-percent the body is heartbroken everytime I watch Buffy and the episodes comes up I usually watch but is it emotionally draining and probably the best descriptions way people deal with grief and losing someone it is totally heartbreaking which is all down to how well the actors are during the entire episode that you can almost you every single moment and the why away the act
I really enjoyed your take on ranking all the seasons. While I don't agree on everything I do understand why you feel the way you do. Very well explained! One question though: Why is Shadow the worst episode of season 5 in your opinion? Or did your opinion on that change? I think it is one of the first really great episodes of the season.
My ranking: 12. Angel S4 11. Buffy S6 10. Angel S3 9. Buffy S5 8. Buffy S4 7. Buffy S7 6. Angel S2 5. Buffy S1 4. Buffy S2 3. Angel S1 2. Angel S5 1. Buffy S3 I want to clarify that I haven’t rewatched the series in several years though. I need to get on that
Interesting to see everybody'd personal preferences! This is my list, it is super controversial and differs from yours quite a lot, though that's because I like dark and grim. Must be the emo melodramatic teen in me. Ranked from favourite to least favourite: Buffy S5: The perfect package: Heartwrenching family drama, romance, comedy, cohesive and potent themes and character development galore. Classic Buffy at its peak. Buffy S6: I find it to be daring, thought provoking, carthatic and a necessary followup to S5. The only stuff I find boring (The Trio) I understand why it's there, and the Willow-drugs metaphor never bothered me and was salvaged by Dark Willow at the end anyway. Angel S3: I find it incredibly well paced. A LOT happens, but its never boring nor does it overwhelm. Angel S4: A controversial pick, but this season speaks to me thematically. It is very ambitious, and concepts of free will, false gods, biblical apocalypses, sinister utopias, and the dissolution of a team are just made for me. Even the season's biggest failing according to most people - Possessed Cordelia - is thematically rich to me and lends to the despair of the season. Angel S5: A directionless first half saved only by Spike, followed by a fantastic second half. You're Welcome onwards is one of the consistently strongest runs of the entire Buffyverse for me. Buffy S2: A mediocre first half, followed by a life changing second half. The strengths of the season hinge on Innocence, Passion and Becoming. Those three eps single handedly elevate the season up a few ranks. However it comes below Angel S5 because it's not as consistent. Angel S2: The Darla storyline is superb and the high points are some of the series' highest, but I cannot connect with Angel in the middle of the season, when he's on his whole 'Biege Angel' arc, so that whole stretch was very boring to me and only saved by Wesley, Cordy and Gunn. It felt like the Darla arc stopped abruptly after Redefinition, killing the momentum. It got picked up again briefly for Reprise and Epiphany, before giving way to fun but lighter stuff like Pylea. Buffy S3: A controversial season to be placed so low, but S3 was always just there for me. Faith was never interesting to me and quite predictable until her redemption. There are also no high points here that speak to me emotionally. But it is consistently good, and has one of the tightest season arcs in Buffy. Buffy S4: Not as bad as people say it is, but you gotta disregard the whole Initiative arc. Character development wise its solid, and its the 'calm before the storm' so to speak before the later seasons. Angel S1: An ok first entry for Angel that kinda feels like its treading water, saved by the developing dynamics between Angel, Wesley and Cordy. Buffy S7: The first 7 eps were the strongest opening eps of all of Buffy and had such promise, but got squandered away by an ill defined villain, plot holes galore, cheap deus ex machina, lengthy lethargic scenes of people just standing around talking, unnecessary characters that take time away from the main cast and the claustrophobic but ultimately boring feel of being stuck in the Summers living room. Buffy S1: Charming in its own right and I like it, but honestly I don't think it deserves to be ranked because it barely feels like a part of what follows after it.
Solid list! I mean I'd never have season 6 so high but it's cool it has its fans and even though it's low on my list, I certainly don't hate it. Really been enjoying the comments on the Buffy vids I've done. It's seemed like people are accepting of all opinions which is good to see. It'll be interesting to see whether that stands with what I've got in mind to do on the show next!
Oh what are you doing next? Or is that a secret? I'm loving that people are still producing content and talking about the Buffyverse 14 years after it's ended. And I think because it's been so long, emotions have cooled off and I find the fandom to be one of the most accepting of different views. Though I expect we will see an increase in content again due to the Buffy reboot/revival!
Yeah it does tend to be one of the nicer communities about and I love that it's standing the test of time. Thinking about an episode by episode series, brief thoughts on each episode in a season.
For me, I felt that Buffy was at it's best during the high school years, so seasons 2 and 3 are the standouts, while post 4, I felt they started to go downhill. I go back and forth between 5 and 6 as to which I dislike the most
Always interesting to see other views. 5 is my personal best, be fun to hear your thoughts on the episodes when I reach that season. Will have the first half of season 4 up next week. Thanks for watching :)
Completely agree. Season 5 had a few really good episodes but I hated the story arc so much I swore id never watch Buffy again at the end of it. By the time season 6 rolled round I decided to give it another shot, but I lasted till episode 9 I think it was before I decided what the show had become just wasn't for me and stopped watching. For me it goes 3,2,1,4,5,6. For Angel I love all the seasons but I much prefered it when it felt like a gritty noir detective story at the beginning vs what it became in the final season.
Late to the party but was rewatching for the 5th or so time and wanted to comment. I think season 6 of Buffy is criminally underrated. No, hear me out. What compels me about this season is firstly the villains. They're just human. They aren't powerful, they have deep character flaws and simple goals overall, Jonathan and Andrew are clearly just going along with Warren to feel included, they aren't evil and they are flawed and misguided, they are comic relief but obviously dangerous in their own way. Warren is on another level, he represents how beyond all the vampires and demons the show has, you can never rule out the danger that people themselves possess and the human capacity for evil. He's misogynistic, which was evident from his very first appearance before this season, he's manipulative, he's greedy, and as the season continues you get to see how a human could be every bit as bad or worse than a demon or vampire. Tara's death is also the last really impactful death in the show imo, and the way it's handled is fantastic. They fight monsters and demons regularly, Tara is a powerful character in her own right and yet her death comes down to a man with a gun, and he wasn't even aiming for her. It was a hard hitting reminder that the world Buffy and friends live in might seem dangerous but so is ours, life is fragile, even Buffy was taken down by that single man with a gun and a chip on his shoulder, when all the demons and vampires and even a god had failed. So that's why I think that season is one of my favourites, might be my overall favourite. Hope my perspective puts a new light on it for you, or at the very least you don't judge me for it too hard.
Agree about the low ranking of Buffy season 6 although I personally bput it even lower. I agree that the non-wedding was problematic but in terms of bad decisions I place it third behind Spike attempted rape of Buffy and Tara's utterly meaningless death.
It’s interesting to see the similarities and differences in opinions. Personally I loved B2, B3, B5, A2 & A5 the most and I could put them in any order depending on the day. B6 I also really liked but it is not one I often want to go back to. S4 & 7 I didn’t like as much but I actually rewatch them more. I still like them, I just wish I could remove some of the plot they’re tied to. A1 and B1 I would also group with these seasons of ones I like but aren’t my faves. A3 I remember thinking had a lot of good things in it whilst watching but I have no desire to watch anything other than Darla’s scenes again A4 I strongly disliked.
I think I’d put Buffy Season 3 over Season 5 but it is extremely close . I think if it ended at 5 I’d say yeah it’s the better season but knowing she’s ripped from heaven in season 6 just always leaves me feeling down.
I used to hate season 7 with a fiery passion! The fact that Giles and Buffy's relationship was at its weakest. Buffy having an episode where she was highly unlikable (get it done) and they introduced so many new characters it was overwhelming... They gossily under used Caleb who was a fantastic big bad. The fact that Andrew became a main chracter when it should of been Johnathan...But the thing I HATED more than anything they freaking kicked Buffy out of her house!!!!. BUT as I have gotten older i have come to enjoy the season and there's alot of great episodes In there. I love Faith coming back and i like some of the potentials, I like Dawn alot in this season. Spike has a great arc and is more involved in the story than ever and his and Buffy's relationship is amazing. I love that Faith comes back into it and I enjoy that we meet a slayers child. The last three episodes are fantastic and they ended the show PERFECTLY. I have realised over the years that the biggest reason season 7 used to do my head in so much is because if only a few things were changed around it would of been a near perfect season.
I loved your video, but I disagree with some of your choices. I'd say that Buffy season 4 should be much lower on the list, despite having some strong episodes it had the worst arc. Buffy season 6 may have been depressing, but it was supposed to be, it did pretty much exactly what it set out to do, no way it's below season 4. And Angel Season 4 should get more credit for the sense of intensity it maintained from the Beast's rampage on, plus we didn't just get Faith back, we got a 3 episode arc that finally resolved all the issues between her and Wesley. That's gotta count for something, right? My list: 1. Angel Season 5 (for most consistent use of metaphor) 2. Buffy Season 5 (for the body) 3. Buffy Season 3 (for Faith's arc) 4. Buffy Season 6 (for musical episode and 2nd best use of metaphor) 5. Buffy Season 2 (for evil-Angel arc and Spike and Druscilla) 6. Angel Season 4 (for Faith & Wesley and the Beast) 7. Angel Season 2 (for Darla, although it's a shame her arc couldn't have finished in this season) 8. Buffy Season 7 9. Angel Season 1 10. Angel Season 3 11. Buffy Season 4 12. Buffy Season 1
You’re right I’d disagree with your placement of Angel Season 5- I think it’s by far and away the best of all of them (buffy season 3 and season 5 being in second and third respectively) Full ranking 12-AS4 11-BS1 10-AS3 9-BS7 8-BS6 7-AS1 6-BS4 5-AS2 4-BS2 3-BS5 2-BS3 1-AS5
Yeah I'll give you Buffy season 6 wasn't great but the very worth was absolutely fantastic even the way they handled Will's addiction to magic was understated but very well done is the world things destroy the people around you that's it's why it's so well done!
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I actually thought that Angel season 4 was overall a higher quality than Buffy seasons 6 and 7. I also think all Angel seasons are better than Angel season 1.
My ranking would be 1. Angel season 5 2. Buffy season 5 3. Buffy season 3 4. Buffy season 2 5. Angel season 2 6. Angel Season 1 7. Angel Season 3 8. Buffy Season 4 9. Buffy Season 6 10. Buffy season 1 11. Buffy Season 7 12. Angel Season 4
I hated season 4 of angel and the way the character of cordelia was treated joss Whedon did that so he could get rid of charisma because she became pregnant
Most of Angel was unwatchable so I can't rank them but as for Buffy - 7 - Season 6: Masterfully executed 22 episodes of absolute cynical misery for the audience. Bad Choice of Direction. 6 - Season 4: Seemed like the show was coming apart at the seams here, I think the showrunners knew it as well, which is why the finale was a season 5 prologue. 5 - Season 7: Buffy has always had messages but this season felt like a series of badly disguised lectures, plus there was so much out of character stuff. 4 - Season 1: Was a half and half season, had some great episodes and some weak episodes but it was all interesting. 3: Season 3: This is when Buffy hit it's stride and blew us all away. 2: Season 2 : The addition of Spike, Drusilla and then Angelus really elevated everything from season 1. 1: Season 5: Maybe I'm biased because It was the first season I watched but this story, and it did seem like a self contained story, had a perfect through line and a clever series of mysteries to reveal one after another. It was as Fun for the audience as much as season 6 was not.
Interesting, I don't agree with everything but I agree with a lot :) My ranking, least favorite to favorite: Angel S1 Buffy S1 Buffy S6 Angel S4 Angel S2 Buffy S7 Angel S5 Angel S3 Buffy S4 Buffy S5 Buffy S2 Buffy S3
Season 4 of Buffy is worse than season 1 and 6. Apart from the last 2-3 episodes, and the odd one in the middle, in season 4 that season sucks. Season 6 is great. You’re 100% wrong. 😂
buffy season 5 was always my fave. Im rewatching it at the moment. However the worst ep of season 2 is easily, bad eggs. I didnt really care about Angel.
This is why I love Buffy fans, totally different opinions on key seasons and yet happy to just discuss it! Did you like the end of season 7 out of interest?
Interesting list. First let me say that as a character I don't like spike. Just never connected to him so I guess it influences my Angel ranking plus Glory for me was one irritating villain however I did like that series/season. Anyway here's my rankings of all series of BTVS and ATS.... 12. BTVS 6. This is where I started losing my complete love for the show. Would still watch it but I could really stomach what happened to Buffy on her return. Can't really say I have a particular favourite and least favourite episode either. I'm no really a fan of OMWF. And I do like musicals but as I'm becoming less emotionally attach to the show as a whole, it probably loses it's impact on me plus the ending is just a NO. I do enjoy the opening two parter on re-watch. 11. ATS 5. yeah as you can see my dislike for spike makes me not enjoy the series especially as I felt it reduces Angel to a teenage boy with his ridiculous rivalry with Spike because of their feelings for Buffy. I absolutely HATED that and it just ruins this series for me particularly as I already felt that Spike story ended up being so focused on BTVS 6 and 7 as the expense of other characters and that includes Buffy herself. Favourite episode is the same as yours plus I have a love for Smile Time as I love puppet Angel beating the sh*t out of Spike! Worse episode is episode 1 and I think you could probably guess why! 10. BTVS 7. This is simply for reasons I just stated previously and while I will say I enjoy the last two episodes and particularly the last moments on Chosen, I can't get over the fact of the rest of the last series and how they wrote Buffy and her relationships with her scoobies which was because of the propping up of her thing with Spike. I have re-watch this last series recently and my attachment to the characters aren't the same while in ATS, while I may not like the cangel relationship as a whole, it doesn't for me take over the show and I still love and enjoy all the characters up to the last series. Well with the exception of one! 9. BTVS 4. Enjoy the series but felt it lost something with the move from the school which of course was necessary plus it had it's worse series/season villain in ALL of the buffyverse! Plus we lose Oz and it something I still am heartbroken about to gain someone I wish had been staked long ago. Enjoyed the Faith two parter because both SMG and ED got to show off their acting skills and then it lead to the the brilliant two parter in ATS. And of course Hush which was so amazingly and brilliantly thought out and done. Worse episode would be between Wild at Heart but that is because of the emotions not the actual content in the episode and also the episode with the return of Captain Peroxide! 8. ATS 4. I enjoy this series and probably was one of a very few who didn't have a problem with the development between Cordelia and Connor because it stop whatever was happening with Angel and Cordelia. I don't think they handled it in the best way but then again knowing that the character of Cordelia was still going to be killed off then I've made my peace with it and am frankly glad that how they planned it did not happen because too much of their later stories for Buffy and Angel's other prominent relationship kind of felt like a rehash of what happened in their other important relationship but just trying to go about it from a different angle. And I will absolutely say that I like the inclusion of Connor as Angel's son even if I didn't think it was executed as well as it could have been so I'm glad that Connor was born and did not die. I'd say I especially love the last three episodes of the series of course starting from Sacrifice because I hated Jasmine. 7. BTVS 1. Now yes it isn't written as great as the rest of any of the series of either show but it's still series where I got hook on the show and i guess it has sentimental value for me. Unlike you I love The Pack especially because of NB performance which shook me at the time given how Xander as a character was. Also love the two parter episodes that introduce us to the characters, Angel where we find out the shock truth about him and obviously Prophecy Girl. Yes there was some dodgy episodes like I robot, you Jane but still it didn't lessen my growing love and enjoyment of the show as a whole and I so was looking forward to the next series/season. 6. ATS 1. So maybe like BTVS 1, it took a while to find its feet but it was an enjoyable roam and there for me are some wonderful episodes in its first series. Of course the Faith two parter, the final episode, Doyle's final episode and Wesley's introduction but the one that will always resonate with me is IWRY and I make no apologies for it because it's one that emotionally hit me the hardest because of my emotional investment in the characters of Buffy and Angel. As for my least favourite I don't really have one but if I had to go for my least memorable episode then I'd go with yours!
5. BTVS 5. I enjoyed this series and there are of course a few exceptional episodes. And while I agree that The Body is one hello of an emotional episode, I guess because of my emotional attachment to Buffy makes The Gift hit me harder. And it's a series finale that I considered in my top two of season finales from all of the buffyverse series. I don't or never have a problem with Dawn and like Connor like her includes onto the show because it brings something fresh and different that I feel was needed after series 4. 4. ATS 3. Now getting into my top 4, you will see there is a pattern but that's simply because I love that there are repercussions from the previous series that continue on to the next series. And while I wouldn't say I was a complete fan of Dangel, I ended up loving their complicated, complexing and compelling relationship for what ended up becoming resulting in Connor. Lullaby was my favourite episode and Darla's sacrifice was something to behold when watching because it was so unexpected but what a fantastic end to her two series arc on the show. I personally thought that Holtz was very effective as the series villain considering what damage he did to Connor and how it effected Connor's relationship with Angel so badly. Truly saddens me but I guess the universe was giving some payback to Angel for what he did to Holtz. 3. ATS 2. So this is for me when ATS starts coming into it's own and I guess not having that much crossover from BTVS helps this. I didn't think I would love the return of Darla but what a brilliant move that turn out to be. Such a fascinating story that develops between her and Angel. Especially given that it ends up she has come back as a human and what that will mean to her in the end. I so did not want her to go back to being a vampire because of the growth that she and Angel had in their new connection but sadly it wasn't mean to be and obviously with the conception and birth of Connor and also Darla's beautifully play out demise well I happy how things turn out. 2. BTVS 3. I would say because of most of the episodes, this is probably the best written series of all the buffyverse with hardly a really bad episode within the actual series. Again with the repercussions from the previous series still causing problems and issues in this series. The introduction of Faith was great and all that happened to her character was riveting to watch and of course The Mayor. What a brilliant villain and my second best villain of all from the buffyverse. Looking back I can remember being devastated in the end with Angel leaving but now I can see it was for the best for his character given the development he got to have on his own show. So many, MANY great episodes and like you Amends tops it for me but also the series finale two parter which was a epic end and is just behind The Gift for this reason. No really bad episodes for me although there is one that I could do with out but that is also because of what it does to Willow and Oz but most especially to Xander and Cordy who I really enjoy as a twosome. And so we come to my top buffyverse series.... No.1. BTVS 2. The game changing series. Now I enjoy the first half of the show even if it was to introduce my most hated buffyverse character! Yes it might be considered slow pacing but I actually love the build up because it was so COMPLETELY unexpected for what was about to happen. Plus IMO it got three brilliant 2 parter episodes that steadily change the story moving forward. The emergence of Angelus was not something I truly appreciated at the time because as a HUGE Bangel fan (and I still am) the lost of Angel was devastating and hurt so bad plus there was no real belief that he was definitely coming back. But what it did for DB was so fantastic because the way he played him was so brilliantly as I could not believe that the character with the same face as Angel was so vastly different in stature and characteristics. I was stunned and like Buffy it took me a whole to process that he was Angel no more. The build up to the two parter series finale was just out of this world and the death of Jenny hurt to such a degree because it wasn't something that I could contemplate would EVER happen. Love the introduction of Oz and the unexpected just enjoyable relationship that develops between Xander and Cordy which for me felt believable in the process from how they started out. And then we get to Becoming 1 & 2. Just wow. The emotions of what Buffy will have to do. The unfolding stories of Buffy and Angel and how it all came about for them in the lead to this moment. The death of Kendra and how Angelus played Buffy and what harm it caused her friends and what Giles had to endure. And then we get to the finale battle between Buffy and Angelus and as hard as it is to see I know she has to finish him because Angel is not coming back and Angelus has release Acathla. But then the unthinkable happens and somehow Willow has done it and restore Angel's soul but it's all too late and Buffy has to do the unimaginable and put the sword through Angel which for ever breaks something inside of her. It emotional rips you apart (well it did for me) and SMG plays out all the emotions so brilliantly. It's the one scene that still emotionally punches me in the gut when the sword enters Angel's body. And I fully believe that because of this moment, it's why Buffy makes that decision in The Gift just again showing the effects and repercussions from what she had to do in the series 2 finale. So yeah that's it from me. I have to day I never imagine I write such a bloody and extremely LONG comment but here we are. If you read this I'll be shock but grateful and if you don't well it was good for me to get it off my chest! Take care 🤗
Don't be making fun of people with your speech I don't believe you can speak badly you should be a shame yourself and doing something bad to someone is against you as well I don't know what country you're in but you know your channel reaches all countries so I have a little more respect
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But have we ever figured out if there is some link between Ben and Glory?
Are all of you people very stoned?
Oddly enough, my video going up tonight discusses that very episode.
Ben is Glory?
@@JoeJulians I think it was a joke.
@@richardrose2606 that’s literally Spike’s response when everyone keeps questioning what he’s talking about.
@@dkres82 I know.
I like season 7 Buffy. It’s one of my favorites and Season 5 Angel is so good. When Fred died I was crushed. It was great. I love the episode where they are all drunk. 😆
I'm coming in a year late. I agree with a lot of the points you made, but disagree with a lot of the end rankings. My list would be:
12: Angel S3
11: Buffy S1
10: Buffy S4
9: Angel S1
8: Angel S4
7: Angel S2
6: Buffy S2
5: Buffy S7
4: Buffy S5
3: Angel S5
2: Buffy S6 (though Dark Willow is definitely the better big bad imo than the Mayor)
1: Buffy S3
I hated Buffy S5 so much I'd take it off this list and pretend it didn't happen #13, like the original Star Wars Xmas Special.
@@squirlmy That's interesting. I've heard that thought about S6 and S7 before but never about S5. I mean, you do you, of course ^_^ I just haven't heard that sentiment about S5 before.
12.Buffy Season 7
11.Buffy Season 6
10.Angel Season 4
9.Angel Season 5
8.Buffy Season 4
7.Buffy Season 1
6.Angel Season 1
5.Angel Season 3
4.Buffy Season 5
3.Angel Season 2
2.Buffy Season 3
1.Buffy Season 2
Damn Buffy season 6 isn’t my favorite but it is well done. It would be number 4 or 5 on my total list.
Awesome video! Thank you for this.
My ranking:
12. S4 Angel
11. S1 Buffy
10. S4 Buffy
9. S1 Angel
8. S7 Buffy
7. S3 Angel
6. S3 Buffy
5. S2 Angel
4. S5 Buffy
3. S2 Buffy
2. S5 Angel
1. S6 Buffy
I'm a HUGE Faith stan so season 3 is the best season of Buffy for me. And I love "Gingerbread" if for no other reason than to hear Sheila call Buffy "Bunny" 😁.
I often find it interesting people hate on ANGEL Season 4 so much when it's one of my favorites in the series. It's one of the only seasons on Angel where there's an overarching story that runs the entire season. Even better yet, it's a story that built off the story of season 3 and added nods to seasons 1 and 2 as well.
I also liked the revelation that Jasmine had planned this all along as it gave continuity reasons for previously unexplained events like who brought Angel back and why was he sparred when the sun should have come up to kill him.
That said, you should probably know the reason the season does feel a bit messy is because Cordelia's pregnancy wasn't known to the show-runners during the initial storyboarding process. They had to write her pregnancy into the show halfway through filming and it caused them to have to make changes to the direction they were going. Cordelia was always going to be the Big Bad, but she wouldn't have given birth to another character. Her and Angel were ultimately going to have to come to blows mirroring Buffy having to kill Angel to save the world. It was also being built from the moment Angel started teaching her how to fight. Doyle was also meant to make a return this season and Glenn Quinn unfortunately died from an overdoes before that could happen. Who knows how this season would have fared had such drastic rewrites not taken place.
Those changes certainly would have improved it. Yeah I did know about Charisma Carpenter's pregnancy, it's just her whole arc and everything with Connor dragged this one down so much for me. That being said, I have grown to like it a little more over time and Apocalypse Nowish is excellent.
That’s crazy I was holding onto hope that Doyle would come back for pretty much the entire run of the show. Had no idea the actor passed away until now
@@archguru314 In one of the season 4 episodes when it ends and before the end credits roll they put up a "In loving memory" plaque for Glenn Quinn
I agree. It's one of my favorite seasons in the entirety of the Buffyverse. That fight with the gang and The Beast was epic! It doesn't deserve the hate it gets except that everyone (including me) was sickened by Cordy sleeping with the aged version of a character she held as a baby the previous season. I mean, ick. I don't care if she wasn't Cordy in that moment. Just, no. Plus, the destruction of Cordy's character overall. Still, I just really love the season overall. I love anytime Angelus comes out to play. Additionally, we got some killer episodes and stunts when Faith rolled back into town. Thrilling season really with some regretably huge mistakes.
i am so glad that buffy season 5 and angel season 5 were on your top 2 list here. those for me are my favourite seasons for both shows!
12. Angel S4
11. Angel S1
10. Angel S2
9. Buffy S1
8. Angel S3
7. Buffy S4
6. Angel S5
5. Buffy S6
4. Buffy S2
3. Buffy S3
2. Buffy S7
1. Buffy S5
now we know why they did that to cordelia, her reappearance in the 100th episode made it better but didnt entirely make up for what they did to her at the end of season 4.
I've never watched Buffy consecutively so I only have Angel to go off of. I remember enjoying the entirety of Angel except maybe one weak season and that might have been season 4?
I have finally started Buffy after all these years and I'm on season 1. It's a fun show but I'm looking forward to it finding its stride because it's a little bit indecisive on what it wants to be so far.
Sounds right! Very mixed season that
I loved both these shows and will admit both had dips in quality throughout their seasons but it was excellent telly all round I still watch them on DVD to this day and the only programmes since they ended that will have that type of nostalgia feel are prison break the walking dead and the office UK
Yeah, it certainly had dips but the high's were so high. I love all of those shows too, although my love for The Walking Dead isn't what it once was.
Thanks for watching the video. There's a weekly Buffy series I'm uploading if you wanted to take a look :)
My choice of Best To Worst-
Angel- 4,3,2,1,5
Buffy- 5,3,4,2,6,1,7
Great commentary.
My ranking:
12: B1
11: B4
10: A1
9: B7
8: A4
7: B5
6: A2
5: A5
4: B3
3: B2
2: A3
1: B6
BtVS 6 is my personal favourite because it is so dark. It was very ahead of its time in its depiction of ‘incel’ Warren and I thought the Trio were hilarious. Also, it was important that Willow’s reckless flirting with magic would eventually have negative consequences. I do agree that the Spike/Buffy relationship was done quite clumsily and I feel that Xander jilting Anya, even though he did it because he thought she deserved better than him, was jarring.
IMO AtS 5 is overrated, You’re Welcome onwards is class but until that point it takes a while to really get going. And I find Spike pretty irritating in that period tbh.
i liked the begining of season 6 then when everything started to go down it got worse
ok... WHAT'S WITH EVERYONES HATRED OF GINGERBREAD!!
I actually quite like that episode. Never understood all the hate it got.
Honestly
Love "Gingerbread". Sheila was a hoot. "Oh, hello Bunny", "You will not speak to Bunny Summers again".
I don't agree with the ranking but I agree with and respect the reasons for ranking. I honestly think when it comes to ranking seasons like this it comes down to personal preference. Pretty much no season of TV has ever been perfect and while some are better than others obviously I think it ultimately comes down to what and who you love in the show. I agree with your top pick though, Buffy S5 was the best of the best and its a shame that they went and destroyed a lot of what made S5 so great when they got into S6. It really is the characters that drive the programmes more than the plots I think.
Interesting takes. I'm an AtS s4 apologist so it is ranked much higher for me and s2 of AtS because of the deconstrution of Angel's character is always going to outrank s5 for me. But I see where you're coming from and you made good points. Except s7 of BtVS... I'm one of those fans who finds it inexcusible. My rank is: B2>B3>A2>B5>A1>A4>A5>B4>B1>>>>B6>A3>B7. Good video! I hope you make more Buffyverse content.
Thanks. Got some ideas for new videos! It's funny about season 7, I had no idea that it was so divisive until recently. I did love what they did with Angel's character in season 2, strong stuff.
I disagree with a few especially as as I’m an avid defender of Season 6 but Angel Season 5 and Buffy Season 5 we’re definitely the best of the best as well for me. My ranking would be.
12 - Season 1 (Buffy)
11 - Season 3 (Angel)
10 - Season 4 (Buffy)
9 - Season 4 (Angel)
8 - Season 1 (Angel)
7 - Season 7 (Buffy)
6 - Season 6 (Buffy)
5 - Season 2 (Angel)
4 - Season 2 (Buffy)
3 - Season 3 (Buffy)
2 - Season 5 (Angel)
1 - Season 5 (Buffy)
You should also do a video ranking the big bads from best to worst or the top 10 most powerful Buffy/Angel characters, that would be hella cool :)
Season 1 of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer is my favorite
I had to break them up.
Buffy - 3, 2, 1, 7, 4, 5, 6
Angel - 2, 3, 5, 1, 4
I honestly don't get the hype around season 5. I thought the show's production quality (fight choreography, cinemotagraphy) dropped drastically in this season. I also didn't think Glory was nearly as intimidating as Faith and the Mayor. Heck, I didn't even find her as intimidating as The Master.
For me its:
- the meh
12. Buffy S7
11. Angel S1
10. Buffy S4
9. Buffy S1
- the good
8. Buffy S6
7. Angel S2
6. Buffy S3
5. Angel S3
4. Buffy S5
- the best
3. Angel S4
2. Buffy S2
1. Angel S5
I'm actually quite a fan of Buffy season 7, but great to see someone else rank Angel season 5 so highly- really great season! Thanks for watching :)
My favourite Buffy Seasons are 3 and 4.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is my favorite serie ever! 😀 Season 3 was my favorite season
100-percent the body is heartbroken everytime I watch Buffy and the episodes comes up I usually watch but is it emotionally draining and probably the best descriptions way people deal with grief and losing someone it is totally heartbreaking which is all down to how well the actors are during the entire episode that you can almost you every single moment and the why away the act
I really enjoyed your take on ranking all the seasons. While I don't agree on everything I do understand why you feel the way you do. Very well explained!
One question though:
Why is Shadow the worst episode of season 5 in your opinion? Or did your opinion on that change?
I think it is one of the first really great episodes of the season.
My ranking:
12. Angel S4
11. Buffy S6
10. Angel S3
9. Buffy S5
8. Buffy S4
7. Buffy S7
6. Angel S2
5. Buffy S1
4. Buffy S2
3. Angel S1
2. Angel S5
1. Buffy S3
I want to clarify that I haven’t rewatched the series in several years though. I need to get on that
Interesting to see everybody'd personal preferences! This is my list, it is super controversial and differs from yours quite a lot, though that's because I like dark and grim. Must be the emo melodramatic teen in me. Ranked from favourite to least favourite:
Buffy S5: The perfect package: Heartwrenching family drama, romance, comedy, cohesive and potent themes and character development galore. Classic Buffy at its peak.
Buffy S6: I find it to be daring, thought provoking, carthatic and a necessary followup to S5. The only stuff I find boring (The Trio) I understand why it's there, and the Willow-drugs metaphor never bothered me and was salvaged by Dark Willow at the end anyway.
Angel S3: I find it incredibly well paced. A LOT happens, but its never boring nor does it overwhelm.
Angel S4: A controversial pick, but this season speaks to me thematically. It is very ambitious, and concepts of free will, false gods, biblical apocalypses, sinister utopias, and the dissolution of a team are just made for me. Even the season's biggest failing according to most people - Possessed Cordelia - is thematically rich to me and lends to the despair of the season.
Angel S5: A directionless first half saved only by Spike, followed by a fantastic second half. You're Welcome onwards is one of the consistently strongest runs of the entire Buffyverse for me.
Buffy S2: A mediocre first half, followed by a life changing second half. The strengths of the season hinge on Innocence, Passion and Becoming. Those three eps single handedly elevate the season up a few ranks. However it comes below Angel S5 because it's not as consistent.
Angel S2: The Darla storyline is superb and the high points are some of the series' highest, but I cannot connect with Angel in the middle of the season, when he's on his whole 'Biege Angel' arc, so that whole stretch was very boring to me and only saved by Wesley, Cordy and Gunn. It felt like the Darla arc stopped abruptly after Redefinition, killing the momentum. It got picked up again briefly for Reprise and Epiphany, before giving way to fun but lighter stuff like Pylea.
Buffy S3: A controversial season to be placed so low, but S3 was always just there for me. Faith was never interesting to me and quite predictable until her redemption. There are also no high points here that speak to me emotionally. But it is consistently good, and has one of the tightest season arcs in Buffy.
Buffy S4: Not as bad as people say it is, but you gotta disregard the whole Initiative arc. Character development wise its solid, and its the 'calm before the storm' so to speak before the later seasons.
Angel S1: An ok first entry for Angel that kinda feels like its treading water, saved by the developing dynamics between Angel, Wesley and Cordy.
Buffy S7: The first 7 eps were the strongest opening eps of all of Buffy and had such promise, but got squandered away by an ill defined villain, plot holes galore, cheap deus ex machina, lengthy lethargic scenes of people just standing around talking, unnecessary characters that take time away from the main cast and the claustrophobic but ultimately boring feel of being stuck in the Summers living room.
Buffy S1: Charming in its own right and I like it, but honestly I don't think it deserves to be ranked because it barely feels like a part of what follows after it.
Solid list! I mean I'd never have season 6 so high but it's cool it has its fans and even though it's low on my list, I certainly don't hate it. Really been enjoying the comments on the Buffy vids I've done. It's seemed like people are accepting of all opinions which is good to see. It'll be interesting to see whether that stands with what I've got in mind to do on the show next!
Oh what are you doing next? Or is that a secret? I'm loving that people are still producing content and talking about the Buffyverse 14 years after it's ended. And I think because it's been so long, emotions have cooled off and I find the fandom to be one of the most accepting of different views. Though I expect we will see an increase in content again due to the Buffy reboot/revival!
Yeah it does tend to be one of the nicer communities about and I love that it's standing the test of time. Thinking about an episode by episode series, brief thoughts on each episode in a season.
For me, I felt that Buffy was at it's best during the high school years, so seasons 2 and 3 are the standouts, while post 4, I felt they started to go downhill. I go back and forth between 5 and 6 as to which I dislike the most
Always interesting to see other views. 5 is my personal best, be fun to hear your thoughts on the episodes when I reach that season.
Will have the first half of season 4 up next week. Thanks for watching :)
For me it's 6 and 7 and 1 . 2 3 4 and 5 were superb this is buffy I mean I lost track on angel after season 2
Completely agree. Season 5 had a few really good episodes but I hated the story arc so much I swore id never watch Buffy again at the end of it. By the time season 6 rolled round I decided to give it another shot, but I lasted till episode 9 I think it was before I decided what the show had become just wasn't for me and stopped watching. For me it goes 3,2,1,4,5,6. For Angel I love all the seasons but I much prefered it when it felt like a gritty noir detective story at the beginning vs what it became in the final season.
Late to the party but was rewatching for the 5th or so time and wanted to comment.
I think season 6 of Buffy is criminally underrated. No, hear me out. What compels me about this season is firstly the villains. They're just human. They aren't powerful, they have deep character flaws and simple goals overall, Jonathan and Andrew are clearly just going along with Warren to feel included, they aren't evil and they are flawed and misguided, they are comic relief but obviously dangerous in their own way. Warren is on another level, he represents how beyond all the vampires and demons the show has, you can never rule out the danger that people themselves possess and the human capacity for evil. He's misogynistic, which was evident from his very first appearance before this season, he's manipulative, he's greedy, and as the season continues you get to see how a human could be every bit as bad or worse than a demon or vampire.
Tara's death is also the last really impactful death in the show imo, and the way it's handled is fantastic. They fight monsters and demons regularly, Tara is a powerful character in her own right and yet her death comes down to a man with a gun, and he wasn't even aiming for her. It was a hard hitting reminder that the world Buffy and friends live in might seem dangerous but so is ours, life is fragile, even Buffy was taken down by that single man with a gun and a chip on his shoulder, when all the demons and vampires and even a god had failed.
So that's why I think that season is one of my favourites, might be my overall favourite. Hope my perspective puts a new light on it for you, or at the very least you don't judge me for it too hard.
Agree about the low ranking of Buffy season 6 although I personally bput it even lower. I agree that the non-wedding was problematic but in terms of bad decisions I place it third behind Spike attempted rape of Buffy and Tara's utterly meaningless death.
It’s interesting to see the similarities and differences in opinions.
Personally I loved B2, B3, B5, A2 & A5 the most and I could put them in any order depending on the day.
B6 I also really liked but it is not one I often want to go back to. S4 & 7 I didn’t like as much but I actually rewatch them more. I still like them, I just wish I could remove some of the plot they’re tied to. A1 and B1 I would also group with these seasons of ones I like but aren’t my faves.
A3 I remember thinking had a lot of good things in it whilst watching but I have no desire to watch anything other than Darla’s scenes again
A4 I strongly disliked.
I think I’d put Buffy Season 3 over Season 5 but it is extremely close . I think if it ended at 5 I’d say yeah it’s the better season but knowing she’s ripped from heaven in season 6 just always leaves me feeling down.
I never understood why fans hate season 7, it's by far my favorite season of the whole franchise,
I used to hate season 7 with a fiery passion! The fact that Giles and Buffy's relationship was at its weakest. Buffy having an episode where she was highly unlikable (get it done) and they introduced so many new characters it was overwhelming... They gossily under used Caleb who was a fantastic big bad. The fact that Andrew became a main chracter when it should of been Johnathan...But the thing I HATED more than anything they freaking kicked Buffy out of her house!!!!. BUT as I have gotten older i have come to enjoy the season and there's alot of great episodes In there. I love Faith coming back and i like some of the potentials, I like Dawn alot in this season. Spike has a great arc and is more involved in the story than ever and his and Buffy's relationship is amazing. I love that Faith comes back into it and I enjoy that we meet a slayers child. The last three episodes are fantastic and they ended the show PERFECTLY. I have realised over the years that the biggest reason season 7 used to do my head in so much is because if only a few things were changed around it would of been a near perfect season.
I loved your video, but I disagree with some of your choices. I'd say that Buffy season 4 should be much lower on the list, despite having some strong episodes it had the worst arc. Buffy season 6 may have been depressing, but it was supposed to be, it did pretty much exactly what it set out to do, no way it's below season 4. And Angel Season 4 should get more credit for the sense of intensity it maintained from the Beast's rampage on, plus we didn't just get Faith back, we got a 3 episode arc that finally resolved all the issues between her and Wesley. That's gotta count for something, right?
My list:
1. Angel Season 5 (for most consistent use of metaphor)
2. Buffy Season 5 (for the body)
3. Buffy Season 3 (for Faith's arc)
4. Buffy Season 6 (for musical episode and 2nd best use of metaphor)
5. Buffy Season 2 (for evil-Angel arc and Spike and Druscilla)
6. Angel Season 4 (for Faith & Wesley and the Beast)
7. Angel Season 2 (for Darla, although it's a shame her arc couldn't have finished in this season)
8. Buffy Season 7
9. Angel Season 1
10. Angel Season 3
11. Buffy Season 4
12. Buffy Season 1
You have amazing taste and I agree with everything you said! Except for the Inca Mummy. I actually liked that episode and felt bad for the girl.
Thanks! And to be fair to old Inca, I watched that one again recently and enjoyed it more
@@JoeJulians Her story was very tragic and she really did care for Xander.
You’re right I’d disagree with your placement of Angel Season 5- I think it’s by far and away the best of all of them (buffy season 3 and season 5 being in second and third respectively)
Full ranking
12-AS4
11-BS1
10-AS3
9-BS7
8-BS6
7-AS1
6-BS4
5-AS2
4-BS2
3-BS5
2-BS3
1-AS5
Yeah I'll give you Buffy season 6 wasn't great but the very worth was absolutely fantastic even the way they handled Will's addiction to magic was understated but very well done is the world things destroy the people around you that's it's why it's so well done!
12.angel season 4
11.Buffy season 1
10.Buffy season 4
9.angel season 3
8.Buffy season 6
7.angel season 2
6.Buffy season 7
5.angel season 5
4.Buffy season 5
3.angel season 1
2.Buffy season 2
1.Buffy season 3
Buffy season 7, though I still love it, is the worst and nothing will ever change my mind
I actually thought that Angel season 4 was overall a higher quality than Buffy seasons 6 and 7. I also think all Angel seasons are better than Angel season 1.
That's fair. Season 4 has grown on me somewhat over time.
12. B1
11. A4
10. B4
9. A1
8. A3
7. B3
6. B2
5. B6
4. A2
3. B7
2. A5
1. B5
3-5 are interchangeable
My ranking would be
1. Angel season 5
2. Buffy season 5
3. Buffy season 3
4. Buffy season 2
5. Angel season 2
6. Angel Season 1
7. Angel Season 3
8. Buffy Season 4
9. Buffy Season 6
10. Buffy season 1
11. Buffy Season 7
12. Angel Season 4
James Godfrey would be a perfect choice as angel in the buffy reboot?
You somehow convinced me that Buffy Season 3 is not the best. Congratulations ahah
Mine are from best to worst is:
AS3
AS4
AS2
BS3
BS5
BS2
BS7
AS5
AS1
BS6
BS4
BS1
I hated season 4 of angel and the way the character of cordelia was treated joss Whedon did that so he could get rid of charisma because she became pregnant
Well, quite. I'd certainly have more to say about that season if I made the video now
angel season 3 is too low and buffy season 7 is too high. i'd exchange their places on this list. everything else here i agree with.
Most of Angel was unwatchable so I can't rank them but as for Buffy -
7 - Season 6: Masterfully executed 22 episodes of absolute cynical misery for the audience. Bad Choice of Direction.
6 - Season 4: Seemed like the show was coming apart at the seams here, I think the showrunners knew it as well, which is why the finale was a season 5 prologue.
5 - Season 7: Buffy has always had messages but this season felt like a series of badly disguised lectures, plus there was so much out of character stuff.
4 - Season 1: Was a half and half season, had some great episodes and some weak episodes but it was all interesting.
3: Season 3: This is when Buffy hit it's stride and blew us all away.
2: Season 2 : The addition of Spike, Drusilla and then Angelus really elevated everything from season 1.
1: Season 5: Maybe I'm biased because It was the first season I watched but this story, and it did seem like a self contained story, had a perfect through line and a clever series of mysteries to reveal one after another. It was as Fun for the audience as much as season 6 was not.
Interesting, I don't agree with everything but I agree with a lot :)
My ranking, least favorite to favorite:
Angel S1
Buffy S1
Buffy S6
Angel S4
Angel S2
Buffy S7
Angel S5
Angel S3
Buffy S4
Buffy S5
Buffy S2
Buffy S3
Be a boring world if we all agreed on everything :) Good list there. There isn't a lot in it with the few I put near the top of mine really.
I cannot take anyone who ranks Buffy season 6 that low seriously. Sorry. Moving on.
Bye 👋
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Season 4 of Buffy is worse than season 1 and 6. Apart from the last 2-3 episodes, and the odd one in the middle, in season 4 that season sucks.
Season 6 is great. You’re 100% wrong. 😂
buffy season 5 was always my fave. Im rewatching it at the moment. However the worst ep of season 2 is easily, bad eggs.
I didnt really care about Angel.
I hated the season arc seasons like Buffy Season 5 &7, and also loved angel season 4! I’d say b7, b1, a1, b5, a2, b4, a3, b6, a2, a5, B2, b3
This is why I love Buffy fans, totally different opinions on key seasons and yet happy to just discuss it! Did you like the end of season 7 out of interest?
Buffy season 7 is trash, season 6 is amazing.
Hard disagree with the first part of your statement.
Agreed!
Interesting list.
First let me say that as a character I don't like spike. Just never connected to him so I guess it influences my Angel ranking plus Glory for me was one irritating villain however I did like that series/season.
Anyway here's my rankings of all series of BTVS and ATS....
12. BTVS 6. This is where I started losing my complete love for the show. Would still watch it but I could really stomach what happened to Buffy on her return. Can't really say I have a particular favourite and least favourite episode either. I'm no really a fan of OMWF. And I do like musicals but as I'm becoming less emotionally attach to the show as a whole, it probably loses it's impact on me plus the ending is just a NO.
I do enjoy the opening two parter on re-watch.
11. ATS 5. yeah as you can see my dislike for spike makes me not enjoy the series especially as I felt it reduces Angel to a teenage boy with his ridiculous rivalry with Spike because of their feelings for Buffy. I absolutely HATED that and it just ruins this series for me particularly as I already felt that Spike story ended up being so focused on BTVS 6 and 7 as the expense of other characters and that includes Buffy herself. Favourite episode is the same as yours plus I have a love for Smile Time as I love puppet Angel beating the sh*t out of Spike! Worse episode is episode 1 and I think you could probably guess why!
10. BTVS 7. This is simply for reasons I just stated previously and while I will say I enjoy the last two episodes and particularly the last moments on Chosen, I can't get over the fact of the rest of the last series and how they wrote Buffy and her relationships with her scoobies which was because of the propping up of her thing with Spike. I have re-watch this last series recently and my attachment to the characters aren't the same while in ATS, while I may not like the cangel relationship as a whole, it doesn't for me take over the show and I still love and enjoy all the characters up to the last series. Well with the exception of one!
9. BTVS 4. Enjoy the series but felt it lost something with the move from the school which of course was necessary plus it had it's worse series/season villain in ALL of the buffyverse! Plus we lose Oz and it something I still am heartbroken about to gain someone I wish had been staked long ago.
Enjoyed the Faith two parter because both SMG and ED got to show off their acting skills and then it lead to the the brilliant two parter in ATS. And of course Hush which was so amazingly and brilliantly thought out and done.
Worse episode would be between Wild at Heart but that is because of the emotions not the actual content in the episode and also the episode with the return of Captain Peroxide!
8. ATS 4. I enjoy this series and probably was one of a very few who didn't have a problem with the development between Cordelia and Connor because it stop whatever was happening with Angel and Cordelia. I don't think they handled it in the best way but then again knowing that the character of Cordelia was still going to be killed off then I've made my peace with it and am frankly glad that how they planned it did not happen because too much of their later stories for Buffy and Angel's other prominent relationship kind of felt like a rehash of what happened in their other important relationship but just trying to go about it from a different angle.
And I will absolutely say that I like the inclusion of Connor as Angel's son even if I didn't think it was executed as well as it could have been so I'm glad that Connor was born and did not die.
I'd say I especially love the last three episodes of the series of course starting from Sacrifice because I hated Jasmine.
7. BTVS 1. Now yes it isn't written as great as the rest of any of the series of either show but it's still series where I got hook on the show and i guess it has sentimental value for me.
Unlike you I love The Pack especially because of NB performance which shook me at the time given how Xander as a character was.
Also love the two parter episodes that introduce us to the characters, Angel where we find out the shock truth about him and obviously Prophecy Girl. Yes there was some dodgy episodes like I robot, you Jane but still it didn't lessen my growing love and enjoyment of the show as a whole and I so was looking forward to the next series/season.
6. ATS 1. So maybe like BTVS 1, it took a while to find its feet but it was an enjoyable roam and there for me are some wonderful episodes in its first series. Of course the Faith two parter, the final episode, Doyle's final episode and Wesley's introduction but the one that will always resonate with me is IWRY and I make no apologies for it because it's one that emotionally hit me the hardest because of my emotional investment in the characters of Buffy and Angel. As for my least favourite I don't really have one but if I had to go for my least memorable episode then I'd go with yours!
5. BTVS 5. I enjoyed this series and there are of course a few exceptional episodes. And while I agree that The Body is one hello of an emotional episode, I guess because of my emotional attachment to Buffy makes The Gift hit me harder. And it's a series finale that I considered in my top two of season finales from all of the buffyverse series.
I don't or never have a problem with Dawn and like Connor like her includes onto the show because it brings something fresh and different that I feel was needed after series 4.
4. ATS 3. Now getting into my top 4, you will see there is a pattern but that's simply because I love that there are repercussions from the previous series that continue on to the next series. And while I wouldn't say I was a complete fan of Dangel, I ended up loving their complicated, complexing and compelling relationship for what ended up becoming resulting in Connor.
Lullaby was my favourite episode and Darla's sacrifice was something to behold when watching because it was so unexpected but what a fantastic end to her two series arc on the show.
I personally thought that Holtz was very effective as the series villain considering what damage he did to Connor and how it effected Connor's relationship with Angel so badly. Truly saddens me but I guess the universe was giving some payback to Angel for what he did to Holtz.
3. ATS 2. So this is for me when ATS starts coming into it's own and I guess not having that much crossover from BTVS helps this.
I didn't think I would love the return of Darla but what a brilliant move that turn out to be. Such a fascinating story that develops between her and Angel. Especially given that it ends up she has come back as a human and what that will mean to her in the end. I so did not want her to go back to being a vampire because of the growth that she and Angel had in their new connection but sadly it wasn't mean to be and obviously with the conception and birth of Connor and also Darla's beautifully play out demise well I happy how things turn out.
2. BTVS 3. I would say because of most of the episodes, this is probably the best written series of all the buffyverse with hardly a really bad episode within the actual series.
Again with the repercussions from the previous series still causing problems and issues in this series.
The introduction of Faith was great and all that happened to her character was riveting to watch and of course The Mayor. What a brilliant villain and my second best villain of all from the buffyverse.
Looking back I can remember being devastated in the end with Angel leaving but now I can see it was for the best for his character given the development he got to have on his own show. So many, MANY great episodes and like you Amends tops it for me but also the series finale two parter which was a epic end and is just behind The Gift for this reason. No really bad episodes for me although there is one that I could do with out but that is also because of what it does to Willow and Oz but most especially to Xander and Cordy who I really enjoy as a twosome.
And so we come to my top buffyverse series....
No.1. BTVS 2. The game changing series. Now I enjoy the first half of the show even if it was to introduce my most hated buffyverse character!
Yes it might be considered slow pacing but I actually love the build up because it was so COMPLETELY unexpected for what was about to happen.
Plus IMO it got three brilliant 2 parter episodes that steadily change the story moving forward.
The emergence of Angelus was not something I truly appreciated at the time because as a HUGE Bangel fan (and I still am) the lost of Angel was devastating and hurt so bad plus there was no real belief that he was definitely coming back.
But what it did for DB was so fantastic because the way he played him was so brilliantly as I could not believe that the character with the same face as Angel was so vastly different in stature and characteristics. I was stunned and like Buffy it took me a whole to process that he was Angel no more.
The build up to the two parter series finale was just out of this world and the death of Jenny hurt to such a degree because it wasn't something that I could contemplate would EVER happen.
Love the introduction of Oz and the unexpected just enjoyable relationship that develops between Xander and Cordy which for me felt believable in the process from how they started out.
And then we get to Becoming 1 & 2. Just wow. The emotions of what Buffy will have to do. The unfolding stories of Buffy and Angel and how it all came about for them in the lead to this moment. The death of Kendra and how Angelus played Buffy and what harm it caused her friends and what Giles had to endure.
And then we get to the finale battle between Buffy and Angelus and as hard as it is to see I know she has to finish him because Angel is not coming back and Angelus has release Acathla. But then the unthinkable happens and somehow Willow has done it and restore Angel's soul but it's all too late and Buffy has to do the unimaginable and put the sword through Angel which for ever breaks something inside of her. It emotional rips you apart (well it did for me) and SMG plays out all the emotions so brilliantly. It's the one scene that still emotionally punches me in the gut when the sword enters Angel's body.
And I fully believe that because of this moment, it's why Buffy makes that decision in The Gift just again showing the effects and repercussions from what she had to do in the series 2 finale.
So yeah that's it from me. I have to day I never imagine I write such a bloody and extremely LONG comment but here we are.
If you read this I'll be shock but grateful and if you don't well it was good for me to get it off my chest!
Take care 🤗
Buffy season six is to low in my opinion... I get people not liking it but I'm on the side of those loving it.
Don't be making fun of people with your speech I don't believe you can speak badly you should be a shame yourself and doing something bad to someone is against you as well I don't know what country you're in but you know your channel reaches all countries so I have a little more respect
What on earth are you talking about? 😂
12. Angel Season 4
11. Angel Season 1
10. Buffy Season 1
9. Buffy Season 7
8. Angel Season 3
7. Buffy Season 6
6. Angel Season 5
5. Buffy Season 4
4. Angel Season 2
3. Buffy Season 3
2. Buffy Season 2
1. Buffy Season 5