BTVS Analysis: Wesley Wyndam-Pryce you've been to a place...

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  • Опубликовано: 15 июл 2022
  • Huge apologies to those who had commented on the original video, I had to re-upload it due to audio issues.
    The story of Wesley Wyndam-Pryce isn’t a happy one, but it’s a good one. In this video I take a look at his journey and make a couple of observations. #buffythevampireslayer #angel #btvs

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  • @jakes5796
    @jakes5796 Год назад +36

    He was a tortured character. His entire character arc was a thing of beauty. No one would ever want to go through what he did, but no one could deny the experiences made him a bad ass. By the end he was the tormented hero. Just as much as Angel ever was.

  • @amberkelly3187
    @amberkelly3187 Год назад +31

    Wesley’s character arc is my favourite, even above Spike. His last scenes are still incredibly moving.

  • @BigHeadClan
    @BigHeadClan 2 года назад +82

    Honestly the characters with the two greatest character arcs would be Wesley and Cordelia, both are fantastically written across both series.

    • @Jenny__Calendar
      @Jenny__Calendar Год назад +14

      except for the end of cordelia ... it was going so well 🥺😩

    • @martinw2235
      @martinw2235 Год назад +7

      I gotta go with Wes and Willow. They pretty much butcher Cordelia starting with the end of S3.

    • @mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr
      @mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr Год назад +2

      wesley and wesley

    • @cestlavie1588
      @cestlavie1588 Год назад

      spike

    • @Charlie-xu4fw
      @Charlie-xu4fw Год назад +6

      Winifred Burkle didn't die for this slander.

  • @Poseiden2
    @Poseiden2 2 года назад +32

    Agree with the others that noted Wesley had fantastic character growth - just like Spike, Angel, Willow and Cordelia. Wes was perhaps the most dramatic and unexpected of all, going from bumbling British stereotype to cool man of action and finally to tragic bereaved lover, and it never felt anything other than organic. The scenes between him and Fred/Illyria are some of the finest I've seen on television.

  • @toelielariouspinda355
    @toelielariouspinda355 2 года назад +21

    12:50 Cordelia was such an amazing friend to Wesley, she knew about his feelings before everybody else. Its so heartbreaking she never got to see him succeed after years.

  • @toelielariouspinda355
    @toelielariouspinda355 2 года назад +12

    I do feel like his relationship with Iliriya was a great part of his character arc.

  • @ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502
    @ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Год назад +65

    Mostly good, but I feel that not covering illyria makes this incomplete. Illyria is the true culmination of his arc; facing him with the same challenge it began with.
    Illyria being a demon trapped in a human body isnt a 1 to 1 comparison to a slayer, but it's a similar situation in that shes someone with great power being suddenly thrust into a whole new world. And like faith, illyria is violent, volatile, and in a situation where she could easily become a threat. And wesley is essentially tasked with being a watcher for illyria, even before she agrees to it. Right from their first scene, where wesley tells her how humans are now dominant in the world, he is acting as her guide.
    And wesley, as anyone can see, is at by far his lowest point in the entire series. He wasn't exactly happy during the time he was faiths watcher, but he was Mostly okay emotionally as far as we know. But now he's a complete wreck.
    And yet despite being at his lowest point, he succeeds. Unlike faith where he royally screwed everything up despite his intentions, here wesley is able to be the by far the greatest influence on illyria becoming an ally of team angel when she could have been a threat to the whole world. And he's able to do this, even at his lowest point, because of everything he's learned over the course of the show.
    There's more I can say about his relationship with illyria, its incredibly impressive how much the writers put into it in so little time, but I'd say that's a good summary of its most important points.

    • @Twisted-View
      @Twisted-View  Год назад +12

      Well... I would do it but you beat me to it :) Seriously though it's a good point and now somewhat disappointed with myself for not spending more time looking at these episodes.

    • @r.babylon2885
      @r.babylon2885 Год назад +8

      @@Twisted-View DO A PART TWO

    • @JR-pf9in
      @JR-pf9in 2 месяца назад +3

      Agreed. My favorite relationship in Angel was the one between Wesley and Illyria

  • @camgeorge6222
    @camgeorge6222 Год назад +13

    Interesting breakdown infact if u look at the 2 shows Wesley is basically a twisted version of willow . Both put their hero on a pedestal and emulates to be like them eventually falling into darkness.

    • @it_must_be_bunnies1401
      @it_must_be_bunnies1401 10 месяцев назад

      Also, Willow had a difficult relationship with her mother, although not in the same way compared to Wesley's relationship with his father. But there are similarities between them.

  • @GoryBMovie
    @GoryBMovie Месяц назад +2

    Great video and analysis. I have always felt sympathy for Wes and his tragic character arc.

  • @andrepaul3483
    @andrepaul3483 2 года назад +20

    Wesley's an awesome character. Easily one of my favourite characters in the Slayerverse!

  • @eddthehead123
    @eddthehead123 Год назад +9

    Another interesting point is that most Demons are highly resilient or outright immune to firearms. So Wesley picking up guns as his man weapon showcases his proclivity towards engaging Human opponents, who are notoriously easy to kill with guns.

  • @petehack2352
    @petehack2352 2 года назад +7

    So glad you gave this the sort of runtime needed to really put WWPs story into proper context, made me kinda hyperd for my own angel rewatch

  • @user-oh1id2me2e
    @user-oh1id2me2e 11 месяцев назад +1

    All your characters analysis videos are fantastically done, but this one in particular is exceptional. So so good!

  • @randomlibra
    @randomlibra Год назад +5

    Wesley, IMO, is the most tragic character in the Buffyverse. He just keeps losing everything :(

  • @cloud2440
    @cloud2440 Год назад +2

    I always find the loa scene with wesley to be hauntedly painful.

  • @toelielariouspinda355
    @toelielariouspinda355 2 года назад +9

    Wesley is my favorite male Buffyverse character.

  • @Bejewelle88
    @Bejewelle88 Год назад +3

    This was my favourite character arc in either Angel or Buffy (Faith was second, though Willow, Spike and Angel are great too). Can't get over Cordelia and Connor so can't include

  • @barbarabaker1457
    @barbarabaker1457 2 года назад +4

    Well done

  • @pucknorris3473
    @pucknorris3473 Год назад +1

    Im not crying YOU'RE crying!

  • @katherinening8203
    @katherinening8203 Год назад +3

    Beautiful summary and exposition of this tragic character. Would have liked a mention of why Wes chose not to view Illyria in her pretend Fred form ("The Girl in Question") - was it from respect to her memory or just avoidance of pain? If respect, then why give in when mortally wounded? The tragedy is compounded when we think Fred's soul is not in an afterlife for Wes to ever meet, but "burned up resurrecting Illyria". Also his last day spent while caring for Illyria ("Not Fade Away") strongly hints that, since Fred is gone, he has nothing else to live for. Perhaps he had a death wish when fighting Cyvus Vail - not unlike how Spike expounds to Buffy how every Slayer has a secret death wish. I'd like to know whether you think this ending fits his character arc, and why the writers chose this for his ending - whether it is a "happy ending" for him.

    • @Twisted-View
      @Twisted-View  Год назад +3

      In honesty I was very focused on wes turn in seasons 3 and 4. Looking back I have missed quite a lot in the second half of season 5. I may go back and do a follow up focused on this as part of another video. But I agree with your insights, especially the death wish angle mirroring that of the slayers that he trained.

  • @JulioAvalos3000
    @JulioAvalos3000 10 месяцев назад +1

    Good breakdown.

  • @roberttail1676
    @roberttail1676 5 месяцев назад +1

    This video is perfect.

    • @Twisted-View
      @Twisted-View  5 месяцев назад

      Why thank you. Though I'd say not perfect there is more that could be explored.

  • @osnatashtaralevin8944
    @osnatashtaralevin8944 Год назад +6

    Yep. simply stated, he is the best character in the Buffyverse.

  • @GardenGnome118118
    @GardenGnome118118 8 месяцев назад +1

    More Wesley please

  • @griffinbruno1136
    @griffinbruno1136 10 месяцев назад +2

    Forgot the parts with Illyria but otherwise good video

    • @Twisted-View
      @Twisted-View  10 месяцев назад

      Yeah, it took me a while to put to together suppose I was a bit tired. I will go back and look at that last segment mote closely.

    • @griffinbruno1136
      @griffinbruno1136 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Twisted-View Wesley’s story is really rich with substance and angles to look at it so makes since stuff gets missed. If I made the video I’d probably end up missing a good chunk of stuff.

  • @PeterParker-ff7ub
    @PeterParker-ff7ub Год назад +1

    Was he really going to stay for longer? He should have.

  • @Stuart267
    @Stuart267 9 месяцев назад

    *But the thing people seem to forget about Wesley is he never apologised for what he did. That is the only part of his character evolution I HATE. He refused to accept responsibility for Connor's fate after being duped by a fake prophecy. Hell even in Angel's fantasy Wesley apologised to him, sad that it was a fantasy that his BEST FRIEND apologised for taking the child away from the father.*

  • @swagsukeuchiha7599
    @swagsukeuchiha7599 Год назад +1

    Whats the song at the end

    • @Twisted-View
      @Twisted-View  Год назад

      If you are referring to the piano piece, it's 'Somewhere Fuse' by French Fuse (or the other way round, got it from the RUclips library. If you are referring to the more 'Rock' music. Both the intro and outro music is from a Brighton UK based band called By Definition. open.spotify.com/album/2biy6knIYS9eKlelL4Qkso

  • @linneagustavsson5111
    @linneagustavsson5111 Год назад +6

    Spike and Wesley had the best arcs!

    • @whedsley
      @whedsley 9 месяцев назад +1

      I think Spike otlived his arc, specially after season 7 of Buffy. Wesley could have had two more seasons or even his own spin off.

    • @darkservantofheaven
      @darkservantofheaven 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@whedsleywould much rather have seen that over Giles in London

  • @georgebailey8179
    @georgebailey8179 7 месяцев назад

    Is that Angel with a reflection at 9:54?

    • @Twisted-View
      @Twisted-View  7 месяцев назад +1

      No it's him! Actually problem they have had with the change from the 4.3 aspect ratio. He was stood at the side waiting to join them so it gave the illusion of seeing the mirrors to show he wasn't in them. Origonally the shot would have the sides cut off so you don't see David, but in 16.9 you do!

  • @PeterParker-ff7ub
    @PeterParker-ff7ub Год назад +1

    it looks less worse since cordy appears so much older kissing him.

    • @kyleellis1825
      @kyleellis1825 Год назад

      Wesley is one of the characters who's age is never actually locked down. He could be anywhere from 21-25 when he first shows up (well, he could actually be 18-30. But that doesn't work with later stuff).
      If he's 25, it's still icky. If he's closer to 20, it's really not a problem at all. We saw Cordelia make a point all 3 seasons of being into college aged guys.

  • @ruthalber4658
    @ruthalber4658 Год назад +1

    Doyle we get it we all have something to return for You're going to be quite annoying for a dead guy

  • @TikToknessahoangoffical
    @TikToknessahoangoffical 2 месяца назад

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤Alexis demisof ❤