Well, they could easily have stayed in the 11-speed family by trickling down the R8050 and make that the R7150 and hit a homerun. Now you've got the worst of both worlds.
My prediction is that when you run that 105 Di2 setup, you will not be able to find any fault with it on the bike, it will just work and it will work extremely well. I run a mechanical Ultegra R8000 groupset on my Pinarello Prince. I have long contemplated moving to an electronic groupset, however, every time I get 'serious' and price things out, I cannot justify the cost based on the answer to one question, 'will this improve my overall cycling in any way?' While I do understand the various advantages of electronic shifting, when I look at a given ride and think of repeating that ride on an electronic groupset, the outcome would not have changed. If I were to switch, for me right now SRAM is winning based on the removable/switchable batteries and the fully wireless setup that enables.
Yeah, I totally understand. I think it's hard for people who have 105 or ultegra mechanical to upgrade. It doesn't really make sense financial. As for it improving riding... Like so many bike things it's a want not a need (unless racing). Good old consumerism
Once ltwoo gets its act together, I might consider going electric. They use standard batteries and are reasonably priced. QC is the only thing lacking right now.
@@leedorneyI have to agree. I was Shimano diehard for a long time. I rolled my eyes any time some claimed SRAM was better. I have become part of the SRAM cult and have no plans of going back to Shimano. I'm itching for a new road bike, but the bike I want isn't offered with the frame and with SRAM currently. 😢
@@DaveCM Yrs back I was suffering with my wrists slightly and actually changing gear on sti was having an effect & I thought why not go with Red etap, (get away from the mass-made and behemoth big S) as it was the easiest way to get electric derailleurs and works with 11spd shimano 👍 so i've had my eTap thru all-kinds, 30'c + heat and about -5c love it beyond'...
Almost triple the price of the old mechanical group for well established technology commonly used in RC and an extra cog. They've dramatically increased the price of the brand new 12sp 105 mechanical to make the jump to Di2 not look that bad. To me there are two ways to look at this group: either it's a terrible deal for those already using the 11sp mechanical or it makes the 12sp Di2 Ultegra and Dura Ace groups look like a waste of money. Also, SRAM's full wireless setup is clearly the better (patented) idea.
Good point! Hard to justify the price tbh. If I wasn't making RUclips videos I'm not sure I would have bitten the bullet. I guess the proof will be in the pudding after I've put a few thousand miles on it 👍🏼
It seems to me like Dura Ace exists for two reasons: pro cyclists, and making 105 appear like an "affordable middle ground" when it's really an expensive high-end consumer product. In marketing it's called price anchoring.
I don't know how you calculate, but approx. 1000 pounds (105 DI2) vs. 500 pounds (105 mechanical) isn't anything near triple. Yes, a 1000 is expensive in absolute terms, but thinking about it, ultegra DI2 started at around 850-900 in the rim brake era, and the current 105, in disc version is almost as good if not the same in shifting and braking.
The main reason they switched to electric is mechanical was to durable, the amount of products i have that have died following the warranty period / firmware update is suspicious. closed source technology is never good .
this is the groupset on my current bike. This year I just started riding more after just riding a bike for communting. The difference between this and the deore is crazy. It shifts so smoothly.
I have 11 sp Ultegra Di2 on both of my road bikes. It is incredibly good but it was always expensive. Now there is an extra gear and it will be easier to install, which is cool. Still expensive. Things I like about mine. Synchro shifting and battery life. Also never needs adjusting and every shift is perfect. I charge once a month to be sure I never have a problem. What I don't like? Nothing, assuming my cranks don't break. Oh, and price. Do I need another gear? Not where I live. But time marches on.
Different between this and mechanical 105 is crazy, i mean the price not the function 😂 I hate to go di2 cuz if i need electric to shift gear why not go for e-scooters with 50% cheaper price and easier and go faster than most AVG cyclists for commuting you have to charge it to run anyway Riding is classic Its the joy of putting in the power by your legs its riding beauty of pure man power and mechanical part Not much problem when you have to charge to juice up battery but it kill those feeling and beauty all along
I just bought 105 di2 and will install in the next couple months. But this last weekend with my mechanical tiagra, I felt like I would miss the mechanical functions especially having to manually trim. It keeps you alert, it keeps you in tune with your gears and bike more I felt like. A big part of me feels like I should have just bought the 12-speed mechanical 105 😢
I have both Di2 and mechanical R8000 on my bikes. I do like the Di2 more but of course could live without it. Shifting under power and the front derailleur is way better on the Di2. Also I can setup my TT bars quickly and just use buttons to shift.
I just got a Giant TCR with 105 Di2 and good carbon wheels (SLR1) for US$3,500. Incredible deal for such a great bike. The 105 Di2 is as good as any other Di2.
Do you ever buy used parts? I think all of your bikes and every component on them was new, I just find it strange because I buy everything used. Or maybe it's a youtube thing.
Cool review, My mechanical 11s 105 groups set is still running strong after 7 years of abuse. The only time i had to adjust the cable is once after a crash, and when i mount my bike on the turbo trainer.
They really don’t though. Over the years I’ve had Sora, Tiagra, 105 and Ultegra mechanical setups and my current bikes have 11sp Ultegra di2 and my winter bike has 12sp 105 di2. The difference is so much better than mechanical. I didn’t think it would be but it’s faster, smoother and never needs adjustment. The batteries also last forever. Like twice a year it needs charging for me. I’d never go back to mechanical
Shimano 105 is now available in non di2 setup 12 speed, they back tracked slightly and have introduced it, currently available in the UK for about £600
For as long as derailleurs systems have existed cogs have been added, people have said it serves no purpose and then every enthusiasts rode with the added cog. I'm an absolute fan of 12s on my mtb and might be tempted by 13 one day even if 12 is awesome. However for road riding as long as you have 2 chainring that 12 cog looks superfluous. Sure it has some very marginal benefits but is is absolutely not needed which makes 12 speed road "luxury options". If you want cost effective go 105 11 mechanical, it's awesome. Electronic is also luxury because modern mechanical systems are great. I do cyclocross on a grx 11 setup and it eats pile of mud and water without ever complaining.
I am happy for my 2x12 gears. Prefer to have my cadence "perfect". Close gears does help and I can feel the difference. I do have one special use case with a 1x setup.
the great benefit of the new 12-speed Di2 systems, apart from the extra ratio, is that your system will now communicate with your phone without having to buy and install somewhere yet another expensive add-on (D-Fly). That aside, Di2 is awesome IMHO, whether it's Dura-Ace, Ultegra, or 105.
seems like your biggest complaint about ths groupset is price. who exactly are you targeting this video for? di2 105 is a great price especially compared to other elecronic groupsets. are you targeting this video for the person who buys bikes at department stores? it would seem like common sense to anyone that rides bikes that this is in the lower end of prices for groupsets
I bought Giant TCR Advanced 1 (Ultegra mech, disc) new for 1900 Euro… While 105-di2 is 2400 by discount or 3299 full price. I kind of don‘t feel ok to pay more for bike with more weight and lower class groupset
Tried a Scott Foil with 105 di2 today. It shifted smoothly(surprise, it's straight out the shop), but I actually did not like the di2. The buttons were hard to distinguish and I wasn't sure how hard to press. Needless to say, I got over myself, went home and bought a 40% discounted 105 12sp mechanical and saved myself both the option of slamming 1080 euro for di2 or 4000 euro for the bike.
haha very funny and entertaining. I thought it was just Ultergra and Dura-Ace cranks that "may" snap and the 105 was bullet proof? The overall cost of the groupset is too much and still wires to the rear mech, costly replacement also yikes. Think the fully wireless chinese groupset may be a better option for cost or SRAM RIVAL is quite a bit cheaper than this, fully wireless and slightly bigger gear range. I've now got 2 bikes with SRAM Force as much prefer it to Shimano now (had 105, ultegra and dura-ace in the past), more personal choice as prefer paddle shifing than the full lever movement, epecially needing a quick change when braking hard to accelerate again. Thanks for all the editing, you're a natural in front of the camera now.
TBH, synchro shifting is nonsense to me. I got a garmin that warns me everytime the system is about to shift the FD yet it is still often unexpected when it will decide to do so. And when this happens, a lot of pedal shocks that is potentially dangerous. However, 7170 groupset works really well with 11-30 ultegra cassette and you do get the smoothness of hg+. And, I gradually become to realize that one of the biggest benefit of using di2 is in fact you have a 95% chances that hg and hg+ can work because mechanical shifting system's smoothness is also heavily affected by how do you yourself shift.
Too costly. The 7170 di2 is more expensive than my r8020 and 4700 combined, yes electric groupset is easier to use when climbing and you will have a much easier time to install it if the groupset is set to wireless shifter. But R7170 has sprint/muti function button removed, which makes it operates more like a traditional groupset. So to me the value isn't really there.
Wax your chain and the chain and especially the drive train will last "forever" (almost). Sounds better too. Hydraulic brakes should be able to go for years and years. The question is if the electronics will survive. But so far both Shimano and SRAM seem to be very durable - except if you clip them. Using Ultegra Di2 12 speed myself. Probably just as good to use 105 Di2.
Is it worth the money god no. The other thing that means I wouldn't bother with 105 is the lack of the customisable top buttons. My next bike will have Ultegra Di2 as standard. SRAM is going nowhere near any of my bikes MTB or road.
i genuinely thought the purpose of this the di2 groupset being developed and being passed down, from to "only" shimano dura ace, to ultegra and then to 105 and up to to lower tier groupsets is to make electronic groupsets much more affordable overtime as development and production of this groupsets gets easier..... i guess shimano is just milking us out of money since theyre the only main option, also sram in the bike industry.
The tools you were unsure about are for aligning your front derailleur and plugging in the electronic cables. In Germany you can get the group for as little as 870£. I think you are a bit overdramatic about the price. Also mechanical 12speed 105 exists, so they are really not taking anything away from anyone by also offering an electronic version.
I went L-TWOO... so far ok... the brakes are a little weak... but I am considering Ultegra... will not go105... the cranks I got was not like the one in the video... terrible.
5:56 written on the battery is 7.4V*500mAh Li-ion. That size would fit 2* 18650 batteries, which in series max out at 3500mAh (7.4V), so just about SEVEN times more capacity and cost ca. 10 bucks. For the price of 160 that probably would not be profitable (sarcasm).
I searched online, trying to find a review of 105 mechanical 12 speed, but no one has bothered as yet, which I find strange. I know it's still quite new, but you'd think someone would have tested it. I'd really like to know how well Shimano 12 speed mechanical shifts, compared to 11 speed.
on Wiggle unless I am looking at something slightly different to what you've got in your video. Looking at the listing I don't think it includes a battery@@JourdainColeman
Things you didn't know: first one is a cable plugger/unplugger.... Helps to work with the cables without destroying them. Second: the white thing helps to align the rear derailleur to your cassette (b screw setting gauge I believe)... Rest: no idea
@@JourdainColeman well I appreciate your work... Helping me a lot finding my way through Chinese Carbon... Even though I'll probably not buy stuff for myself but for my kids... Btw: have you ever had any experience with Pardus? Glad to give back this tiny little bit of info
Good, comprehensive initial review. Cheers to Hambini for the correction. After owning both SRAM Rival and Shimano 105 electronic group sets on bikes, I’m still not convinced electronic components are a better option than mechanical given the short and long term costs and potential problems.
Yeah, my math ain't matching!! 😂 I'm looking forward to some future videos comparing mechanical to electronic. Admittedly I think each has its place but for the general rider... I'm not too sure.
The one thing that clinches it for me is the ability to shift and brake at the same time. Like most things it's not strictly necessary, we got by for years without, but it makes riding so much better.
It works beautifully. Never a missed shift, no drivetrain noise or rattle, just super quick instantaneous shifts that are so easy to accomplish that I never think twice about it. Always riding in the correct gear makes me faster and more efficient. Brakes are fantastic and haul me down from stupid fast speeds. If you’re a weenie and want to quibble about an extra quarter kilo then go buy the Dura-ace version. If you absolutely positively can’t stretch a few hundred quid then go buy the mechanical 105. But really if you’re quibbling over a few hundred quid then you’ve picked the wrong hobby.
I agree that performance on Shimano groupsets is top notch. I've used a few now and they have never let me down. The hydraulic disc brakes are just miles ahead as well. Glad you have had a good experience so far 👍🏼
Yea, I just had my bike shop install 52/36 chainrings when I bought my new 105di2 bike. Pain because that’s an added cost, but at least it can be done whereas with SRAM it would be a completely new crankset.
@@katomiler843oh…ok…good to know! I did not know it was possible to change the chain rings. I just figured they were proprietary and limited with the new 105 crankset.
@@davemellor4697 i mean that is personal, in my opinion im willing to have a bit more hassle with wiring up the di2 system for the better shifting quality
The smooth shifting and easy adjustments make it worth every penny in my opinion. I hope to never go back to mechanical shifting again. That said if you don't ride at least 3000km a year maybe it is not worth it.
Do you LOVE or HATE the Shimano 105 Di2 groupset?
I personally think it is great value
The 105 discs are ICE-TECH BTW.
Well, they could easily have stayed in the 11-speed family by trickling down the R8050 and make that the R7150 and hit a homerun. Now you've got the worst of both worlds.
Very heavy, but good value for entry level consumers
Never had it, never want to.
You are 25g lower not 225g.
My prediction is that when you run that 105 Di2 setup, you will not be able to find any fault with it on the bike, it will just work and it will work extremely well. I run a mechanical Ultegra R8000 groupset on my Pinarello Prince. I have long contemplated moving to an electronic groupset, however, every time I get 'serious' and price things out, I cannot justify the cost based on the answer to one question, 'will this improve my overall cycling in any way?' While I do understand the various advantages of electronic shifting, when I look at a given ride and think of repeating that ride on an electronic groupset, the outcome would not have changed.
If I were to switch, for me right now SRAM is winning based on the removable/switchable batteries and the fully wireless setup that enables.
Yeah, I totally understand. I think it's hard for people who have 105 or ultegra mechanical to upgrade. It doesn't really make sense financial. As for it improving riding... Like so many bike things it's a want not a need (unless racing). Good old consumerism
Once ltwoo gets its act together, I might consider going electric.
They use standard batteries and are reasonably priced.
QC is the only thing lacking right now.
I’m not over that barrel ‘cause I’m sticking with mechanical…
Barrel avoided!! 👌🏼
Jourdain, obviously you made the mistake of buying di2 - why didn't you buy axs/etap 🤦♂️
Now that you have commented and so quickly as well... I'll have to buy asx/etap 😂(Any excuse to buy more cycling gear)
@@JourdainColeman lol - it's superior to Shimano anyday, for me anyhow 👍 never regret moving away from them
@@leedorneyI have to agree. I was Shimano diehard for a long time. I rolled my eyes any time some claimed SRAM was better. I have become part of the SRAM cult and have no plans of going back to Shimano. I'm itching for a new road bike, but the bike I want isn't offered with the frame and with SRAM currently. 😢
@@DaveCM Yrs back I was suffering with my wrists slightly and actually changing gear on sti was having an effect & I thought why not go with Red etap, (get away from the mass-made and behemoth big S) as it was the easiest way to get electric derailleurs and works with 11spd shimano 👍 so i've had my eTap thru all-kinds, 30'c + heat and about -5c love it beyond'...
Almost triple the price of the old mechanical group for well established technology commonly used in RC and an extra cog. They've dramatically increased the price of the brand new 12sp 105 mechanical to make the jump to Di2 not look that bad. To me there are two ways to look at this group: either it's a terrible deal for those already using the 11sp mechanical or it makes the 12sp Di2 Ultegra and Dura Ace groups look like a waste of money. Also, SRAM's full wireless setup is clearly the better (patented) idea.
Good point! Hard to justify the price tbh. If I wasn't making RUclips videos I'm not sure I would have bitten the bullet. I guess the proof will be in the pudding after I've put a few thousand miles on it 👍🏼
It seems to me like Dura Ace exists for two reasons: pro cyclists, and making 105 appear like an "affordable middle ground" when it's really an expensive high-end consumer product. In marketing it's called price anchoring.
I don't know how you calculate, but approx. 1000 pounds (105 DI2) vs. 500 pounds (105 mechanical) isn't anything near triple. Yes, a 1000 is expensive in absolute terms, but thinking about it, ultegra DI2 started at around 850-900 in the rim brake era, and the current 105, in disc version is almost as good if not the same in shifting and braking.
The main reason they switched to electric is mechanical was to durable, the amount of products i have that have died following the warranty period / firmware update is suspicious.
closed source technology is never good .
this is the groupset on my current bike. This year I just started riding more after just riding a bike for communting. The difference between this and the deore is crazy. It shifts so smoothly.
Good attempt, Shimano, but no 😂
I have three bikes on 11sp mech Ulterga and 105. They will last longer than me.
I have 11 sp Ultegra Di2 on both of my road bikes. It is incredibly good but it was always expensive. Now there is an extra gear and it will be easier to install, which is cool. Still expensive. Things I like about mine. Synchro shifting and battery life. Also never needs adjusting and every shift is perfect. I charge once a month to be sure I never have a problem. What I don't like? Nothing, assuming my cranks don't break. Oh, and price. Do I need another gear? Not where I live. But time marches on.
Different between this and mechanical 105 is crazy, i mean the price not the function 😂
I hate to go di2 cuz if i need electric to shift gear why not go for e-scooters with 50% cheaper price and easier and go faster than most AVG cyclists for commuting you have to charge it to run anyway
Riding is classic Its the joy of putting in the power by your legs its riding beauty of pure man power and mechanical part
Not much problem when you have to charge to juice up battery but it kill those feeling and beauty all along
I just bought 105 di2 and will install in the next couple months. But this last weekend with my mechanical tiagra, I felt like I would miss the mechanical functions especially having to manually trim. It keeps you alert, it keeps you in tune with your gears and bike more I felt like. A big part of me feels like I should have just bought the 12-speed mechanical 105 😢
The 12s 105 groupset comes as both mechanical and electronic
Tiagra, the groupset update everyone's waiting for.
there is mechanical 12 speed 105.
was about to say that, got it on my bike but yet to test it on Zwift
10:19 Not really about "him". These solid 105 plates never had issues, only Ultegra and Dura-Ace hollow plates were the subject of these failures.
I have both Di2 and mechanical R8000 on my bikes. I do like the Di2 more but of course could live without it. Shifting under power and the front derailleur is way better on the Di2. Also I can setup my TT bars quickly and just use buttons to shift.
there's a 105 mechanical version already out, also 12 speed but only hydraulic specific
Jourdain, this 105 crankset is too cheap to obtain the privilege of breaking like the Dura-Ace or Ultegra ones😀
I just got a Giant TCR with 105 Di2 and good carbon wheels (SLR1) for US$3,500. Incredible deal for such a great bike. The 105 Di2 is as good as any other Di2.
That's a very good deal in-deed! 👌🏼
Dude you know the released 12 SPEED MECHANICAL Why are you bitching about price diff vs 105 11seed
It just puts 105 groupsets out of alot of folks price range.
Very true!
Do you ever buy used parts? I think all of your bikes and every component on them was new, I just find it strange because I buy everything used. Or maybe it's a youtube thing.
Cool review, My mechanical 11s 105 groups set is still running strong after 7 years of abuse. The only time i had to adjust the cable is once after a crash, and when i mount my bike on the turbo trainer.
Yeah, my ultegra mechanical groupset is solid after years of abuse as well 👌🏼
I had a choice, di2 105, or ultegra hydraulic/mechanical. I went ultegra, batterys suck
They really don’t though. Over the years I’ve had Sora, Tiagra, 105 and Ultegra mechanical setups and my current bikes have 11sp Ultegra di2 and my winter bike has 12sp 105 di2.
The difference is so much better than mechanical. I didn’t think it would be but it’s faster, smoother and never needs adjustment. The batteries also last forever. Like twice a year it needs charging for me. I’d never go back to mechanical
is an ultegra 12 speed chain CN -M8100 compatible with cassette CS-HG 710-12 '12 speed road only' cassette ? please advise
2:38 It's worth a mention that 105 cassette does not have hyperglide+ when the other 2 does
Good point 👍🏼cheers for commenting
😊
Shimano 105 is now available in non di2 setup 12 speed, they back tracked slightly and have introduced it, currently available in the UK for about £600
Once you actually install it and use it - you'll know.
A few people have said that to me... Can't wait
batteries in the shifter lasted about 1 year and I did 8,500km with them.
Mechanical 105 12 speed for the win xD
Well, when my mechanical 105 needs replacement I will replace with another mechanical 105 used
Exactly! Whatever may break in 11sp 105 will cost you 20-30$
The only question, how to break 105? 😂
5:10 youve got the di2 wire installation tool, rubber grommet for the wire, and wire guide. The GG tool sets the clearance to the cassette.
Tbh if you don't know what the di2 wire install tool is you should at least read the install directions. Shimano has very detailed instructions.
Thanks for the info 👍🏼 much appreciated
For as long as derailleurs systems have existed cogs have been added, people have said it serves no purpose and then every enthusiasts rode with the added cog. I'm an absolute fan of 12s on my mtb and might be tempted by 13 one day even if 12 is awesome. However for road riding as long as you have 2 chainring that 12 cog looks superfluous. Sure it has some very marginal benefits but is is absolutely not needed which makes 12 speed road "luxury options". If you want cost effective go 105 11 mechanical, it's awesome. Electronic is also luxury because modern mechanical systems are great. I do cyclocross on a grx 11 setup and it eats pile of mud and water without ever complaining.
I am happy for my 2x12 gears. Prefer to have my cadence "perfect". Close gears does help and I can feel the difference. I do have one special use case with a 1x setup.
the great benefit of the new 12-speed Di2 systems, apart from the extra ratio, is that your system will now communicate with your phone without having to buy and install somewhere yet another expensive add-on (D-Fly). That aside, Di2 is awesome IMHO, whether it's Dura-Ace, Ultegra, or 105.
Amazing benefit.
Thanks for pointing that out 👍🏽
Heavy expensive pig
Heavy expensive pig
seems like your biggest complaint about ths groupset is price. who exactly are you targeting this video for? di2 105 is a great price especially compared to other elecronic groupsets. are you targeting this video for the person who buys bikes at department stores? it would seem like common sense to anyone that rides bikes that this is in the lower end of prices for groupsets
That’s just plain not true.
None of the components in electric shifting justify the huge price jump the industry made.
I bought Giant TCR Advanced 1 (Ultegra mech, disc) new for 1900 Euro… While 105-di2 is 2400 by discount or 3299 full price.
I kind of don‘t feel ok to pay more for bike with more weight and lower class groupset
Tried a Scott Foil with 105 di2 today. It shifted smoothly(surprise, it's straight out the shop), but I actually did not like the di2. The buttons were hard to distinguish and I wasn't sure how hard to press. Needless to say, I got over myself, went home and bought a 40% discounted 105 12sp mechanical and saved myself both the option of slamming 1080 euro for di2 or 4000 euro for the bike.
haha very funny and entertaining. I thought it was just Ultergra and Dura-Ace cranks that "may" snap and the 105 was bullet proof? The overall cost of the groupset is too much and still wires to the rear mech, costly replacement also yikes. Think the fully wireless chinese groupset may be a better option for cost or SRAM RIVAL is quite a bit cheaper than this, fully wireless and slightly bigger gear range. I've now got 2 bikes with SRAM Force as much prefer it to Shimano now (had 105, ultegra and dura-ace in the past), more personal choice as prefer paddle shifing than the full lever movement, epecially needing a quick change when braking hard to accelerate again. Thanks for all the editing, you're a natural in front of the camera now.
TBH, synchro shifting is nonsense to me. I got a garmin that warns me everytime the system is about to shift the FD yet it is still often unexpected when it will decide to do so. And when this happens, a lot of pedal shocks that is potentially dangerous.
However, 7170 groupset works really well with 11-30 ultegra cassette and you do get the smoothness of hg+. And, I gradually become to realize that one of the biggest benefit of using di2 is in fact you have a 95% chances that hg and hg+ can work because mechanical shifting system's smoothness is also heavily affected by how do you yourself shift.
Too costly. The 7170 di2 is more expensive than my r8020 and 4700 combined, yes electric groupset is easier to use when climbing and you will have a much easier time to install it if the groupset is set to wireless shifter. But R7170 has sprint/muti function button removed, which makes it operates more like a traditional groupset. So to me the value isn't really there.
Wax your chain and the chain and especially the drive train will last "forever" (almost). Sounds better too. Hydraulic brakes should be able to go for years and years. The question is if the electronics will survive. But so far both Shimano and SRAM seem to be very durable - except if you clip them. Using Ultegra Di2 12 speed myself. Probably just as good to use 105 Di2.
Is it worth the money god no. The other thing that means I wouldn't bother with 105 is the lack of the customisable top buttons. My next bike will have Ultegra Di2 as standard. SRAM is going nowhere near any of my bikes MTB or road.
Yeah I saw that you can't have additional buttons with 105... that's one way to force people into buying ultegra I guess 🤔
i genuinely thought the purpose of this the di2 groupset being developed and being passed down, from to "only" shimano dura ace, to ultegra and then to 105 and up to to lower tier groupsets is to make electronic groupsets much more affordable overtime as development and production of this groupsets gets easier..... i guess shimano is just milking us out of money since theyre the only main option, also sram in the bike industry.
The tools you were unsure about are for aligning your front derailleur and plugging in the electronic cables. In Germany you can get the group for as little as 870£. I think you are a bit overdramatic about the price. Also mechanical 12speed 105 exists, so they are really not taking anything away from anyone by also offering an electronic version.
Rim brakes as well
I went L-TWOO... so far ok... the brakes are a little weak... but I am considering Ultegra... will not go105... the cranks I got was not like the one in the video... terrible.
Electronic shifting… I would only choose it for an aero bike, to reduce the messy internal cabling
Shimano does not like cross chaining, maybe they should tell the Pros that 😂
I'm already addicted to SRAM eTap and truly wireless, and there's no room or money left in my addiction for Campy SRW.
I was a Shimano fanboy for a very long time. Bit of a long story, but now I'm in the SRAM cult. I have become what I always hated.
5:56 written on the battery is 7.4V*500mAh Li-ion. That size would fit 2* 18650 batteries, which in series max out at 3500mAh (7.4V), so just about SEVEN times more capacity and cost ca. 10 bucks. For the price of 160 that probably would not be profitable (sarcasm).
There are 2* 14500 batteries inside, probably, seen in a disassembly.
I searched online, trying to find a review of 105 mechanical 12 speed, but no one has bothered as yet, which I find strange. I know it's still quite new, but you'd think someone would have tested it. I'd really like to know how well Shimano 12 speed mechanical shifts, compared to 11 speed.
I don‘t think there will be any difference. Unless absolutely mistreated, both will shift perfectly
The full groupo I got here from company released batch is 900usd, definitely a no brainer
That's a very cheap price. I've not seen them that cheap here in the UK
Great review - just purchased for £799, my first time using an electrnic groupset.
Hope you enjoy it!
You can get this for £499.99 now.
where?
That's a bargain if you can!! I can't see it that cheap unfortunately
on Wiggle unless I am looking at something slightly different to what you've got in your video. Looking at the listing I don't think it includes a battery@@JourdainColeman
Should I pick 105Di2 or Ultegra Di2 for my new bike ?
I have been using my 105 Di2 groupset for months now a love it!! I would recommend
Never an investment if it devalues
Things you didn't know: first one is a cable plugger/unplugger.... Helps to work with the cables without destroying them.
Second: the white thing helps to align the rear derailleur to your cassette (b screw setting gauge I believe)... Rest: no idea
Thanks man... I appreciate the info 👌🏼
@@JourdainColeman well I appreciate your work... Helping me a lot finding my way through Chinese Carbon... Even though I'll probably not buy stuff for myself but for my kids...
Btw: have you ever had any experience with Pardus?
Glad to give back this tiny little bit of info
A good option for a gravel bike?
Good, comprehensive initial review. Cheers to Hambini for the correction. After owning both SRAM Rival and Shimano 105 electronic group sets on bikes, I’m still not convinced electronic components are a better option than mechanical given the short and long term costs and potential problems.
Yeah, my math ain't matching!! 😂
I'm looking forward to some future videos comparing mechanical to electronic. Admittedly I think each has its place but for the general rider... I'm not too sure.
The one thing that clinches it for me is the ability to shift and brake at the same time. Like most things it's not strictly necessary, we got by for years without, but it makes riding so much better.
11 speed ultegra seems great.
I am admittedly a Shimano rider. I made the move to Ultegra Di2 12 speed. And as Lindsey Buckingham said, " I'm never going back again." Cheers.
It works beautifully. Never a missed shift, no drivetrain noise or rattle, just super quick instantaneous shifts that are so easy to accomplish that I never think twice about it. Always riding in the correct gear makes me faster and more efficient. Brakes are fantastic and haul me down from stupid fast speeds. If you’re a weenie and want to quibble about an extra quarter kilo then go buy the Dura-ace version. If you absolutely positively can’t stretch a few hundred quid then go buy the mechanical 105. But really if you’re quibbling over a few hundred quid then you’ve picked the wrong hobby.
I agree that performance on Shimano groupsets is top notch. I've used a few now and they have never let me down. The hydraulic disc brakes are just miles ahead as well. Glad you have had a good experience so far 👍🏼
Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Would be nice if there was a 52/36 option.
Yea, I just had my bike shop install 52/36 chainrings when I bought my new 105di2 bike. Pain because that’s an added cost, but at least it can be done whereas with SRAM it would be a completely new crankset.
@@katomiler843oh…ok…good to know! I did not know it was possible to change the chain rings. I just figured they were proprietary and limited with the new 105 crankset.
@@katomiler843you can swap chainring on sram as well
I like cable gearing has worked for years for me easier to repair cheaper too just feel I'm being forced to buy di2 group set's
They have a 12 speed mechanical shift version too.
What are advantages of Ultegra over 105 besides weight? Better shifting?
I believe the front derailleur is updated (quicker shifting). I'm not 100% sure how that would feel in the real world.
Cant beat sram AXS its simplicity in itself.
Yeah but shifting is simply better and smoother on shimano di2 :)
@@larsdohmen6796 I have had both AXS wins all round.
What do you prefer out of curiosity?
@@davemellor4697 i mean that is personal, in my opinion im willing to have a bit more hassle with wiring up the di2 system for the better shifting quality
@@larsdohmen6796 The thing is is that a lot of major tour teams now use Sram and 7.% of new bike builds,so again its personal opinion really ....
Yes electric group sets are expensive, but it really is amazing IMO. I spent $1k on a used sram red etap group and I'll never go back to mechanical.
The smooth shifting and easy adjustments make it worth every penny in my opinion. I hope to never go back to mechanical shifting again. That said if you don't ride at least 3000km a year maybe it is not worth it.
Yeah, the proof will be in the pudding. Everyone who has Electric gears seems to love it.. maybe I'll be a convert 🤔