Our Arrow Setup with Janis Putelis | Campfire Discussion
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May be the best pros and cons discussion around this topic I've seen out there. So many people getting way too emotional over this stuff and posting poorly constructed arguments...
Personally still going down the rabbit hole here trying to get that elusive combination of arrow flight high foc and high momentum.
Ive dropped from as heavy as possibly 300 grain broadhead to currently landing with sirius gemini arrows with 175 fixed single bevel, 572 total weight from a 60# 28.5 draw hoyt.. the adventure continues.. and I imagine as my hunting opportunites and styles continue to change, my arrow and bow setups will continue to change too
I am an oddity in the archery world. I am a fingers shooter with a compound bow. I am currently in the process of experimenting with my own arrow set up. I have shot a 470 Grain arrow with a FOC 11% for years. I am experiment with going from a three fletch to a four fletch and from a three blade 125 grain to a 2 blade with bleeders. Playing with both the 125 and 150 grain broadheads. Working on getting arrow to a 12 to 14% FOC and total weight between 495 and 520 depending on which flies and groups better consistently. Love the discussions especially with me experimenting currently.
Thank you guys for the great conversation! Your honesty about bad and good experiences and how your gear has evolved is humbling to hear. I have not had reason to change my light and fast arrows (420 grain, 11.5% FOC) so far. I've harvested several whitetails with these and only had one really bad hit and failed recovery. This year I plan to increase my FOC a bit with 125 grain mechanical heads instead of 100 but would still rather have flatter trajectories and less chance of a deer jumping the string at 30 yards (so only increasing to ~450 grains). My public land deer are well acquainted with bowhunters here in Oklahoma! Cheers.
Very informative video, guys! It’s always cool hearing what other people are trying.
It’s been cool to see you all break down some of your other equipment (like saddle setups and what not)
Great video. At one point, when the guy starts trying to justify why he shoots mech’s and Janis misunderstands him, you can tell that Janis is thinking “man, mech’s are great, but mishaps happen. And this single bevel will compensate for those mishaps.”We need more Janis in the bow hunting world.
single bevel will NOT compensate for mishaps, and do create their own set of problems.
@@miltonreeths522 like?
@@brentbandy3566 Lets start with the mishaps. The only mishap a single bevel could possibly help is a shoulder shot and that is iffy at best. On one lung, liver or gut shots the mech's have the advantage hands down. Problems, small cutting dia, small wound channel, no blood trail and they don't break bones as good as people claim.
@@miltonreeths522I think that most of what you’re saying is true. The only thing I really disagree with is splitting the shoulder. If you have a heavy arrow with a higher FOC like most single bevel tend to do. The arrow will certainly split/cut through 99% of the time if shooting anything more then 30lbs and inside of 30 yards. I half disagree with the liver shot stuff you said. Mainly because that would have to do such a terrible pull or deflection that I would consider that uncontrollable because when (for me personally at least) having a heavy beefy setup. I aim barely inside the shoulder. So I’m 6+ inches from the liver and if I were to hit that then something I didn’t see happening, happened. I agree that mechs have a much better cutting diameter and as long as u don’t hit any bones with strong structure. It’s better. But when I shot mechs a few years ago. I wasn’t able to penetrate as much. Overall to me. Shoot whatever works for what you do. Those are just my thoughts
@brentbandy3566 the only two advantages to a fixed blade is better penetration and no risk of blade deployment issues. Although with some of these modern bows shooting a 475g + arrow at 70# and 28" draw penetration isnt much of an issue.
I lost it when the guy said he may have lost a elk to not having enough foc!! 😂
Rule #1 always blame your equipment lmao 🤣
Let’s be real. these guys have to make content to keep their channels going, and we all like to nerd out on gear every now and then. You can be over critical on arrows and content. Just learn what you can and be the best you can.
Cool video, I fall in between all the chaos. They all have pros and cons. Personally I have landed on a 495 grain arrow. 15% foc and a qad exodus 3 blade with a 1-1/4 cut . Can get them to fly good to 50. Don’t have to worry about blades deploying mid flight. Keeps my bow honest with its tune allowing me to also shoot mechanicals . I do keep a sevr mechanical in my quiver for the right places .shooting 28 dl and 70-73 lbs . At the end of the day we all just a clean quick kill on the animals we hunt and we choose what we have more confidence in . Good luck all
Those Exodus broadheads are awesome!
Great show. Very informative.
Not hating or anything. But I love how all these guys had one bad experience with a Broadhead and they switched because of it. Hunting is called hunting for a reason and not killing things happen that you can’t control. For instance that iron will wide broadhead is great head. We need to focus on being the best we can as hunters and the most accurate with our bows and the rest is up to fate. There is no kill everything arrow setup.
This seems to be a common theme in hunting. If you kill something it’s the best setup and if you lose something it’s the worst. 530 grains with a slick trick? No reason you shouldn’t be getting good penetration with that .
I agree, the iron will head is well-made. However, I really don’t see a problem with striving for a better set up to help with your personal limitations.
Yes there is.
I’m like KC, I always carry fixed and mechanical heads for whatever situation I’m in.
I always make sure my bow is tuned and then I always Broadhead tune with a big fixed blade before season and everything seems to fly well out of my bow. I like low profile 4 blade fixed, they seem to put a slug hole but I really love a big cut from a mechanical as well lol
It’s like anything there is extreme on both ends very light or heavy I fall in the middle. I want an arrow between 450 and 500 anything heavier I lose to much speed at my draw length. People that shoot a 650 grain arrow always tend to come back down to something lighter you don’t need that much weight for North American animals. Ranch fairy is someone I will not listen to when it comes to whitetail deer. He is a pig hunter over bait, 20 yard shots out in the open. That crap doesn’t work when your in thick woods a shooting threw cut lanes with branches everywhere!
I feel like those front deploying broadheads can get you in trouble with deflection. If the animal is quartering and you hit a rib on entrance, one blade is hitting the animal first and can cause the back end of your arrow to swing out and lose energy. I shot a grim reaper hybrid because of long draw length so more energy. Killed a doe with it double lung buried in the dirt so took it elk hunting and hit an elk just like that quartering scenario. He was broadside but spun away so hit at an angle and the broadhead only went in 10 inches. Which caused me to jump down the rabbit hole of more weight and fixed blade. Thanks for the Video!
I’m 425 with exodus broadhead and have zipped through everything. I’m shooting 70lbs Ethos with 29” draw and doing 290fps. More weight is more momentum yes if you plan to shoot in the shoulder. But heavy means you arch high and miss by a lot more due to slow speeds. If you shoot a heavy slow arrow at an elk that takes a single step you just missed by 12 inches back instead of a fast arrow you still hit vitals. It’s all how sharp the broadhead is and placement.
My preference for a fixed blade is simply not having to deal with all the mechanical parts and extra bits. Keep the great podcasts coming!
Edit: also, talking arrow setups can be like talking predestination/free will theology😂
Mechanicals and Reformed Theology are obviously better. 😀
I think a 425-450 grain arrow with a fixed blade is probably the middle of the road compromise for me
Yep
Love seeing the Super Sabre Vanes man. I really appreciate the shout out!
I shot at a coyote with an NAP shockwave in 2008 and when one of the blades deployed because the o-ring broke on release and the arrow corkscrewed away from the dog. I tried out some magnus stingers and it took some more work to tune them but they fly just as well as field points and I’ve never had any issues since. I may try the new single bevel magnus broadheads but I keep my stingers shaving sharp and have never had an issue in 15 years. To each his own!
Magnus stingers dont leave much of a blood trail. Lost my first deer using one.
Hold on…. I’m only 13 minutes in and all I’m hearing is that you all started with second hand bows, not setup for your correct draw lengths, used whatever arrows were in the case and still put down animals….. so, why was that so wrong? I’ll keep listening and probably answer my own question.
I started with a used bow, I was the third owner with cheap arrows and broadheads killed deer. It worked but not nearly as well as my newer gear with better quality components. It will all work if you make it, but I want to do everything to increase my probability of success.
Good stuff guys! 540g axis 17% foc iron will 125 single 29.5” DL.
My first try at heavy was a 300 spine at 563gr and a magnus black hornet. Shot my biggest deer with that. Excellent performance. Dropped in his tracks cuz he twisted around and arrow went through his spine.
Went heavier with my next big buck. Shot him with 250 spine at 642gr and a single bevel under an inch wide. (bone broadhead). Full pass through. Buried in ground. He walked maybe 40yds and fell over. Shot a few dows with 642gr and cutthroat 125gr. All of them died in sight. 10 to 40 yds away.
I shoot 642gr on my speed bows... bowtech BTX-31 and xpedition xcursion 6.
I shoot 575gr on my elite option 7 which isn't a speed bow at 332 IBO. i have ALOT of broadheads but my go to is single bevel...cutthroat, vpa and the new magnus single bevel. I've gotten great results going heavy to really heavy. I will probably never shoot below 575gr with single bevels or magnus again.
Janis has got it down!
I’m listening to this because I have been on the verge of quitting after putting 3 shwacker 150s(3 inch cut) deer and getting 0 blood trails despite bloody arrows and pass through. . I’m feeling a 3 head fixed or expandable solid head will get me some better blood trails. I have heard reapers open no matter the angle due to the springs. I love the way the shwackers fly and I plan on letting my boy nail a Turkey but I will be using tooth of the arrow this year to switch it up.Where I hunt it’s thick so I need a stream when necessary. I always look sometimes I’ll pick up a trail with shwackers but it’s always just drops. I do believe we are living in golden age of broadheads all while deer hunting numbers are going down.
Meat eater needs to buy method or vector and start producing arrows and broadheads again.
THIS!! Can we PLEASE make this happen?
@siriusarchery has the best arrows. Good choice Janis
Good arrows…not the best but on par with the top
I didn't hear you guys talking about sharpening your broadheads and shooting more forward with the heavier setup which is taking advantage of what it does for you
Had a similar experience with fixed blade broadheads. Zipped through a doe with an Iron Will and little to no blood trail. Great broadhead but expandables (Sevr) is my primary now.
Been using the sevr myself for the last 2yrs, and I can tell you I love them so far! Great quality, love to be able to practice with the arrow and broad head that I will actually be hunting with!
Love the content fellas! Good luck this season!!🏹🏹
I agree the Mathew’s drenalin changed the game man! One of the best ever made!!
I shoot, just switched, a victory RIP TKO 300 spine 435 gr arrow. With both fixed and mechanical heads. Fixed Magnus stinger two blade with bleeders and mechanical Grimm reaper three blade. Just switched bows last season went from 70 to 60 lbs. I have a 27.5 draw length so heavy arrows were tough for me to settle on. I’ve tried 550 and down. Pin gap was my greatest influencer. 435 gr my pin gap is comfortable where I can judge odd distances better with that tighter gap. Form and practice practice practice is key in my opinion.
46:45 Bishop Archery makes a 125gr three blade with a 1.6” cut.
Check out RMS Gear. They produce the Cut throat but I believe they make a nice 3 blade fixed head.
Mathews strings throw left hand helical and twist you'd be more accurate with left bevel and left helical imo
SHOULD I USE A FIXED HEAD OR MECHANICAL HEAD For Oscelo Turkey ??? I have a 50lb compound bow (expedition, OG Perfexion) 30" draw, and I am using a 500 grain carbon arrow shaft. Let me know your thoughts.
In my opinion I think you should go mechanical with a large cutting diameter. The vitals are so small comparatively on a turkey and you should try to maximize your cutting surface. Not saying you still can't kill a turkey with a fixed blade broad head but sure seems like your odds improve with a larger cutting diameter mechanical. The rest of your setup seems great.
My dinky channel has been all about this. I got caught up in the “DUST” movement no disrespect cause it does work but my experience with ultra (adult) heavy arrows the deer had time to laugh at me and run before the arrow got there In Oklahoma. I love fixed blade heads but even with a well placed shot they will have marginal blood trails (except with a Ramcat OG my go to fixed head) but I have come a long way to a what I call a linebacker arrow good weight but deer still don’t have an idea what happened and a G5 deadmeat or a ramcat DP 3 blade mechanical. So my journey is still left up for grabs 😂 and tinkering is awesome. Y’allare freaking awesome great video
347 gr @60lbs tight pins🤩
42:34 in the video says he shoots the deer through cthe soft stuff" except he didnt that was through the shoulder on a quartered towards shot!
There are literally dozens of videos debunking the heavy arrow anti mechanical trash.
Largest study ever done of 30k deer shoot proved mechanicals are support for deer.
Stop acting like deer are rhinos, TOF is super critical and modern bows have tons of KE to kill
Are they primarily concerned with deer or with elk?
I’ve switched broadband 20 times and some just don’t stay consistent
See if you can visit with Ed Ashby.
What Firstlite jacket is that???
Ok, I may be overthinking some of these acronyms being new to alot of the archery terminology and slang, but what is FOC?
All good brother! FOC is an acronym for “ front of center” which is a measurement of the balance point in relation to the middle of your arrow. Essentially, it’s telling you how much point weight compared to total arrow weight you have.
@@TheElementWild Thanks!
@TheElementWild I have shot bows since I was about 12 years old. I am 47 now. For my 46th birthday my wife bought me my first new bow ever. A Bear Legit RTH. Prior to that I never talked to or got involved with discussions on anything archery. I have just learned on an experience curve. I finally decided to try hunting with a bow last year, here in SW Louisiana and just never got in position to sling an arrow. Had deer as close as 15 feet but I am a ground hunter and couldn't get in position. I have learned a lot from y'alls channel in the last months and hope to put it to work this year in Louisiana, Texas , and possibly 1 or 2 other states that I have gun hunted. Keep up the good info cause that is all the info some of us get! Hope to run across Y'all in the years to come!
Tooth of the Arrow
Ramcat over 8 years haven't lost a animal
47:20 he says "I will continue to shoot deer in the shoulder and HOPEFULLY continue to have success"
Janis shot a bull elk on purpose in the shoulder to test his setup and surprise surprise it didnt work 😂
Do mechanicals kill animals faster than regular arrowheads?
All situational , in general people believe they do because of blood trails . The bucks I’ve shot have all died within seconds with fixed heads
Yes
Biggest study ever proved it
@@WMBCSIf they deploy.
Heavy arrow with foc is needed for the majority of bow hunters. Y'all can't shoot 20 yards
Is needed, or isn’t needed?
Janis looks tired...either physically or of this conversation...or maybe both.
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