Because he's human and considering the situation he was in, he snapped out of anger. It happens, but at least he instantly realized what he said and apologized for it immediately. I also find it hilarious how everyone's so up Finn's ass when he unintentionally uses the wrong words *in the heat of a moment* , but no one says shit when someone like Sue is *intentionally* using the wrong words (especially in this scene) and purposely trying to make other people's lives a living hell. Even Santana would agree with me, considering how she was so against Sue attending her wedding just based on that sole fact.
Yeah i agree. At least he immediately realised what he had said and knew it was wrong and apologised. A lot of assholes just use that word anyway and dont care.
@elsa1942: i dont really belive that anyone is all good or all bad, but it totally makes sense that people who choose to be respectful will learn from their mistakes, while people who just dont give a fuck about anything will not. people like that are the kind of people who make the world a shit hole for everyone else.
But the thing is that the baby is actually retarded is(I don't remember the gender) actually has down syndrome, hell the medical term for someone like that is mental retardation. I don't understand why it's so bad
@Claire Bressi her SEX is and will always be male, you are right. But her gender is female. I think we kind of have the same idea here, you are just confusing gender and sex.
"Finn calls Sue's baby a 'retard'" but is also the only one in that room to acknowledge that Unique identifies as female and is NOT a 'gender confused boy in a dress'... How is the focus of this scene a 19-year-old misspeaking and then immediately apologising and not the three grown adults dragging a transgender student for nearly three minutes?
Sue has her funny moments but she is nowhere near a good person and I’m tired of people using her occasionally sweet moments as excuses for being transphobic and racist.
@@beans6765 omg ikr all these people think sue is a good person because she’s “funny” and “sweet” at times but she as well as santana are probably the rudest people on the show. they are body shamers and bullies but most people don’t care.
I get that but at the same time, it was in the heat of the moment. Finn was angry and when you're in the heat of the moment, you're not thinking about the words coming out of your mouth. Also, why does everyone just gang up on Finn the one time he says something horrible to someone, but everyone laughs or something when ppl do that to him on a regular basis? Then they will use that one instance to say that Finn's a horrible person. That's exactly what happened with the whole "accidentally outing Santana" thing
I don't care if he's good or bad. What I care about is the use of the "R" word! My late brother had Downs Syndrome and we were so close people used to say we were like twins. I got in plenty of fights because of people saying that to him. He along with many other people with mental or physical disorders deal with hate all the time. If people don't want hate being spread about race, gender, or sexual orientation, then I think everyone deserves respect. I know my brother would agree.💜🌎🌐🚫👹
"If people don't want hate being spread about race, gender, or sexual orientation, then I think everyone deserves respect" I agree too, but Finn said this out of anger in the heat of the moment. You can't say the same for Sue in this case. If she didn't want Finn saying something hurtful like that *out of anger*, maybe she shouldn't push him like that. Lesson to be learned here, if you're going to dish something out, be prepared to have some thrown back at you whether it be intentional or not. That's just reality, sadly. We can be nice and accepting, but we are still people and as we all know, we can be pretty nasty when poked and pushed to our limits.
should finn have said it? no. did he immediately realize how wrong he was and instantly apologize? yes. that's what's important. he made a mistake, and apologized for it. sue 100% had every right to be angry with him, but what's important is that he understood he was in the wrong. what's also important is that sue was saying awful things about unique, and finn reacted in anger. neither of them are in the right here.
lol wtf she's going around calling Unique a shemale and a "gender confused boy in a dress" but the second Finn accidentally used a bad word bc he was mad, and apologised straight away, hes the bad guy. I hate the way the show portrayed Unique tbh, they just confused people's views on the trans community when they could've empowered it and raised awareness.
+AnimeOtaku bitch unique is a woman no matter what you fucking say. if unique says she is a woman you don't have to agree but PLEASE respect that and call unique a woman or if you don't feel comfortable with that, call her they. and also what do cats have anything to do with this lol
+AnimeOtaku can you please get your head out of your ass please? I'm seriously done with transphobia in this world. I'm a trans woman so do you really think I don't know anything about this? I'm trans, you are cisgender. How would you fucking feel if I started telling that you aren't the gender that you actually are? be honest with your answer and again, pull your head out of your ass.
@@morningivy Unique is a female in here. She identifies as a female so she's a female. If someone thinks they're a specific gender, then respect them and their decisions instead of being rude. If everyone respected everyone in this world, then we wouldn't even be having all these dumb provlems between humans. Tbh. This is why I love Glee. It shows how disgusting the real world is now and how being different can lead you to being bullied to the point you break. Glee really was ahead of its time.
@@morningivy I have to disagree. You can at least respect her pronouns. As a trans man it means a lot to just use our desired pronouns. You don't have to agree or support us, but at least give us the respect of using our pronouns.
Morning When you’re completely dismissing my entire gender? I take hormones, I’ve had surgery, its not just “dress up”, its who I am. Its not the same as someone who is a schizophrenic, I’m not delusional or psychotic. But its whatever, I’m obviously not going to convince you to give other human beings a sliver of respect. You don’t deserve respect if you can’t even say the right pronouns. Good day.
Finn was totally in the wrong, but he apologized immediately amd then a couple more times afterwards. I get Sue being mad, but she KNOWS Finn is a good guy and didn't need to hold a grudge for that long.
Broadway Baby he was but he realised it was the wrong word to use/say almost immediately, his face dropped the second it came out of his mouth. Although I understand Sue’s anger she should know Finn isn’t like that
@@wishfulaudios2319 Sorry to Jump in the discussion here when I haven't been a part of it, but I wanted to say this- Even when you know somebody isn't like that, you have trouble letting it go. Normal Moms end lifelong friendships because a former friend said something hurtful about their child. The maternal instinct drives you to protect your child above all else. And this isn't just any normal mom, it's Sue. She can hold a grudge longer than anybody. And when somebody talks shit about her baby, who also has the same disability as her sister and Becky that she fiercely loves and protects, that is the ultimate reason to hold a grudge. Sue just listened to him use the same slur that she probably heard used toward Jean a million times before, and to see it used on her daughter so many years later would have been a hard blow. Because it would have proved to her that that particular cruelty is still not dead. Plus, in Theatricality when Finn used the word "Faggy" toward Kurt and Burt had used other examples of hurtful terms (that being one of them) He'd told Burt Hummel that he would never use that term in reference to Becky Jackson. The fact that he used it in reference to Sue was used not toward her child, but to hurt her, and she knew that. She didn't want her daughter to be used as a scapegoat, because no mother wants that. Sue can be a total piece of work sometimes, absolutely. But using a child to hurt a mother is crossing every line imaginable. There's no going back from that one. Not even for the nice guys like Finn.
Broadway Baby Okay but sue always makes fun of the students’ appearances and calls them names and smacks them with objects. I get Finn was way over the line but at least he apologized immediately after. Sue never apologized once
Finn has a hard time thinking before he speaks in the heat of the moment (him calling kurt a 'fag' and accidentally outing santana) but I'm happy he apologized, and he really means it. Though, i understand sue being upset, it's her child
What's really heavy about this scene is that this is one of the few times in the series where Sue was genuinely hurt. After Finn said that, she didn't storm out of the office and start throwing stuff (and students) around while "O Fortuna" played. She quietly walked out of the room, and, I suspect, went to her office and cried. Finn really hurt Sue here.
Just remember when Finn died, Sue had nothing but positive, good things to say about him (yes I know this is a show and that is the context of what I am saying it in). Finn screwed up but in the end, it doesn't appear Sue held it against him forever about it.
It’s always hard because you know Finn never means the words he says, like when he called Kurt’s lamp “f*ggy” and this for example. His acceptance of everyone including Unique shows that however he just struggles with his words
Yes and no. To a certain extent that's true and easy to understand. We all make mistakes and it's fine since we're just humans - but there is a line there. I mean, calling names is always bad but some slurs are seriously vile - toxic and harmful, stigmatizing. For instance. A lamp being called "f*ggy" - ok, that's mean and nasty, but not venomous. But calling a disabled person or a person with special needs as a r*tarded? That's just horrible. Saying it means that the person actually thinks that way. That the other person is broken/a failure/f*cked up. THAT'S what this is about - this is the core of it all. We need to change this way of thinking in our society. Different people matter too - and we can succeed despite all. I myself have ADD and even though I'm doing just fine (beginning to work on my master thesis this autumn), I struggle with my self-esteem constantly because of the challenges it causes me. And dear lord, if someone would call me that slur... it would hurt like hell. I'm tough and been through a lot so I'd get over it with time but some of us are more on the edge. That kind of language can do a lot of damage. Todays society should know better.
@@flav2689 Except the idea that "retarded" means "fucked up" literally came from the people who decided to start taking offense on behalf of others. Retardation is simply delayed mental development. It's also a musical term. The fact that it isn't used anymore is irrelevant. The term "ADD" isn't used more either, and I doubt you just offended anyone. Also, while ADHD is a class of intellectual disability, I don't think it really fell under the umbrella of how mental retardation was defined in the DSM. So, you're just kind of taking someone else's problems and making them your own. Also, before "retardation," the acceptable legal terms for mentally disabled people were "idiot," "imbecile," and "moron." So, if you've ever used any of those words, you were using a slur. Enjoy that fun fact of the day.
I don't think they did tho, at this point. The person playing Unique/Wade was on the glee project and wanted to portray not knowing what gender they wanted to be, instead going between both genders, to show a more nonbinary part of transitioning before going fully by "she"
This has always been finns problem. He's a sweetheart but when someone pushes him too far he says things he doesn't mean out of anger and they're often cruel... Like when Kurt was crossing the line and he said faggy, or when he called Brittany stupid, or when Santana bullied him to the point that he outed her." He always tried to go above and beyond to make up for it though
Watching this scene I understand Finn's point of view. The R word is an outdated word that used to be used frequently for a description of someone with special needs. It then became offensive when people would replace words like "stupid" and "dumb" with r*****. The R word only used to be used as a medical term for people who were diagnosed with a special needs by Doctors its Medical Language that is only not offensive when it is used to diagnose people. I don't think Finn deserves as much hate as he is getting because he apologized, and most people don't. It's sad but true, I know because I have someone very close to me that has Down syndrome like Sue's baby
Let's all be honest here. Sue can be a real jerk, but she always cares for the students. It's not that she doesn't respect Unique, she just worries that going on stage will lead to even more bullying for Unique. She doesn't want things to get out of hand like it did with Kurt. This time, I actually agree with Sue. She's just looking out for the students.
Shannon Sunshine did you watch it? Because that’s most certainly not true, yes sue was rude and a bully but she was helping those kids see that not everyone is all nice and sunshine and all your dreams are gonna come true if you just believe, no sometimes the world is a rude and scary place with rude and scary ppl and that what she was portraying she didn’t want Unique to play the part because that backlash Unique would get
My best friend has Down syndrome, we’ve known each other since preschool, which was twelve years ago. Back then, I didn’t know there was anything different about her. But then we grew up, and I saw how other people treated her, and It broke my heart. Hearing someone kind and loving get called such a hateful word, it’s so unfair that it happens.
Why did he have to bring an innocent baby into this? He couldn’t have said something rude to Sue? Cause Sue just called Unique a shemale. Finn should’ve dissed Sue, not Robin. Also, Finn isn’t the only bad one here. Sue was just calling Unique a man before so they both messed up here.
he was mad... you use what weapons you have. Sue is not a fragile nun. But sue is right that thing called Unique has no talent. He belongs on some reality show or instagram. Virtue Signaling was what Finn was up to.
@@eduardochavacano Sue does have a weakness that doesn’t involve another person. Her hair. She hates how it’s so short and is jealous of Mr. Shues hair. Finn could’ve dissed Sue’s hair. And Unique is a she not a he.
@@eduardochavacano if so why was that a weapon to him while sue may not be a fragile nun that baby might as well be finn had absolutely no right to say any of that not to mention if a word just “slips out” chances are you’ve said it before
Kind of thought Finn learned his lesson after using the words 'fag/faggy' but nope. I would accept his apology and not see it as actual hate towards the disabled, but I'd never let my guard down with him either after seeing how venomous he can be. Then again, going off clips. Don't follow the show. But I respect it
This was Sue's fault. She would ALWAYS AND I MEAN ALWAYS, push and push and push and push and push and push and push and push people with her rude, disrespectful, inconsiderate, tereible words to the point wherw they FINALLY snap and say something awful and sometimes unforgivable. Then she jumps back and plays the victim. It ain't right.
but he made the good point? even if he used a word he shouldn’t have, he was right. he was calling out sue for her hypocrisy. finn was the only one who really helped unique here at all. also this is what, one of 3 times anyone has ever apologized on glee? lmao
Sue always kind of liked the glee club and even acknowledged it that she would constantly challenge the glee club to make them stronger, stood up for a bullied victim, and felt sympathy towards Santana being outed.
Why are people arguing over this lol Yes, Sue has said things before & hardly apologized, but deep down she cared for them all even Finn, remember what she's said about him in The Quarterback later. People talk fast when they're mad to a point where they say something they don't mean & Finn reacted to that fast & immediately apologized. Yeah, it was wrong for him to say that but you can tell he didn't really mean it.
This and the one with Kurt are the only real times when Finn really lost it, but to be real : He was fighting for Unique and something like this can happen to anyone and I'm sure that everyone here had on of those moments, when they talked faster than the thought... At least he realized it and said sorry
S1 Finn about calling someone r****d : of course not thats cruel (about a teen girl wholesome student) S4:*calls baby the same thing * What is wrong with finn though
This is one of the many reasons that I don’t like Finn. He outed Santana, he was homophobic towards Kurt, he was extremely hypocritical when it came to relationships and cheating, and he was ableist towards Sue’s baby. And even after all of that, he rarely apologised, and if he did it was insincere and he would just continue doing it. I’m sure Cory was a great guy, but Finn was just awful.
@@cff9581 sue said horrible shit all the time and NEVER apologized once. Finn always apologized either right away or soon after. He's a better person than sue.
Santana was out already, Kurt was being predatory at the time, he was a teenage boy, he didn’t mean retarded as an insult, & he literally apologized in the same scene
@@Idkwhattonamethis08 I remember reading a study once that people who form parasocial relationships with fictional TV characters actually experience a lot of the same sociological effects as someone who has friends in real life. So when people defend Finn, they think they're defending their actual dead friend.
i love how they try to make finn this huge ally when he literally just called kurt the f slur and publically outed santana.. i fight so hard to like this show
back when glee actually let their characters grow and face repurcussions from problematic shit they did.....i miss how much the episodes showed learning and growth
What made me laugh is in the next episode Finn apologizes for the word he used and Sue said he has hate in his heart...Have you met yourself Sue? Even with Finn's mistakes he still had more love in his heart than she did. God rest his soul.
Finn was a horrible person. He called Kurt 'faggy,' he would laugh whenever Santana insulted Rachel, he cheated on Quinn, he outed Santana, he stole Quinn from Sam, he called Sue's baby 'retarded,', he didn't call Rachel for months and expected her to go back to her after she had moved on, he was creepy as hell to Rachel at the wedding, he beat up Brody (which was none of his business) he hardly spoke to Rachel afterwards and didn't even go see her in New York after he beat Brody and he kissed his best friend's fiancee. Finn was a dick
I can’t believe he said that after Burt talked with him about saying fag in season 1 (also hello I’m gay and I don’t think it’s offensive unless you’re using it in a hateful way like Finn was)
This scene gets me so mad like point 1 Sue: just gonna correct you there is no teen pregnancy in Grease it was a false alarm! Point two: Unique is transgender and should not be called slanders like "she male" or "sexually confused boy in a dress" like that is low even for Sue! 3: Sue has done nothing to help the glee club unless you include not sabotaging them at every chance she got! But on the flip side: you never use the word r****d! Like I HATE that word with a passion! It is so wrong! xx
she did say, how to put this nicely, incorrect words to explain why he would get bullied. but yeah I agree. I keep watching it and I think the knew the reality is even if it has always been a thing in theater, it doesn't mean people wouldn't be nasty about it even though there is nothing to be upset about.
seeing will refer to unique as a man and just claim that having her play rizzo as “cross-gendered casting” is infuriating, i’m glad finn spoke up about her identifying as a woman.
This was maybe Finn's biggest flaw. When he gets frustrated he is so offensive. Remember when he called the room Kurt decorated faggy and when he called Brittany idiot for leaving glee
I personally think that Sue is trying to protect Unique. Since she stated that they lived in Lima with some close-minded people and still being old-fashion. Ok maybe Lima is accepting gay people, but trans? Or cross gendered musical? Maybe not since Sue stated that. What Sue is trying to say that if Unique play Rizzo it will bring more harm to Unique herself, she/he will be booed and more bullied. Sue is protecting her.
I get her monologue actually. she just doesn't want to see another kid bullied. she really loves these kids. her vocabulary is just of her age group. quite literally of her times.
No it’s cuz he genuinely apologizes unlike literally most of the other people who’ve done the same thing like Sue. Or when he outed Santana, Santana did the same thing to Kurt “as a joke” but that’s when people REALLY dismiss it.
He wasn’t using it as an insult, “mentally retarded” is a medical term. Plus he realized what he said and immediately apologized. It was the heat of the moment and he was trying to make a point that Sue should understand what its like to be marginalized because she had a sister and a child who’s disabled
I obviously hate that Finn used that word. But sues second word in her lines was idiot. idiots just as bad as what finn said in terms of insults against disabled people. also she called a trans girl a shemale. so she should practice what she's preaching before playing victim the one time someone insults her instead of insulting them.
Let's all be honest. Finn (as a character) was an actual asshole. He's said and done horrible things. That being said. I love Cory and he was a good actor❤️ rip Cory
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'i think that is due by the fact that the glee club is ran by a strange creepy (?) man child who has lotion in his hair but no adult friends.' i died
Weepy*
crhiannonelizabeth it shouldve been creepy though will is the meaning of sleep paralysis demon
I read it as she said it💀💀
She said that right I was read this
Finally, someone characterized him correctly
lol Finn uses wrong words for a lot of things, he fucks up a lot
Maddie Vitali he's a guy..lol it's what we do
Conye89 You can't use that as a excuse
Conye89
That's your excuse? Seriously?
Because he's human and considering the situation he was in, he snapped out of anger. It happens, but at least he instantly realized what he said and apologized for it immediately.
I also find it hilarious how everyone's so up Finn's ass when he unintentionally uses the wrong words *in the heat of a moment* , but no one says shit when someone like Sue is *intentionally* using the wrong words (especially in this scene) and purposely trying to make other people's lives a living hell. Even Santana would agree with me, considering how she was so against Sue attending her wedding just based on that sole fact.
Conye89 Don't say "we" because not all guys do that
It was definitely the wrong thing to say, but I'm glad he apologized immediately after. Not saying that makes it okay though.
It's not ok but it's a mistake.
Sara R Yeah because I've heard it said that the difference between good and bad people, it's that good people can learn from their mistakes.
Yeah i agree. At least he immediately realised what he had said and knew it was wrong and apologised. A lot of assholes just use that word anyway and dont care.
@elsa1942: i dont really belive that anyone is all good or all bad, but it totally makes sense that people who choose to be respectful will learn from their mistakes, while people who just dont give a fuck about anything will not. people like that are the kind of people who make the world a shit hole for everyone else.
But the thing is that the baby is actually retarded is(I don't remember the gender) actually has down syndrome, hell the medical term for someone like that is mental retardation. I don't understand why it's so bad
I can’t stand the fact that mr. Schu refuses to acknowledge the fact that Unique is and identifies as a women
Unique may identify as a woman, but in my opinion he is still a boy
@@callummacdonald3957 it's not up to you or "your opinion" how a person identifies
@Claire Bressi her SEX is and will always be male, you are right. But her gender is female. I think we kind of have the same idea here, you are just confusing gender and sex.
@@user-nx1vh4ej9q thank you! I'm glad *someone* said it. Gender = what you are, Sex = what your body is.
wtf?!!?!?! i haven't watched this show in ages and totally forgot about this... was Schue transphobic??!?!
"Finn calls Sue's baby a 'retard'" but is also the only one in that room to acknowledge that Unique identifies as female and is NOT a 'gender confused boy in a dress'... How is the focus of this scene a 19-year-old misspeaking and then immediately apologising and not the three grown adults dragging a transgender student for nearly three minutes?
Sue has her funny moments but she is nowhere near a good person and I’m tired of people using her occasionally sweet moments as excuses for being transphobic and racist.
@@beans6765 she obviously seems to have changed her tone over time
I think everyone is just in the wrong here lol
@@18mrcupcake yeah but the adults more than others. Finn misspoke, and REALISED his mistake. can't say the same for anyone else in that room.
@@beans6765 omg ikr all these people think sue is a good person because she’s “funny” and “sweet” at times but she as well as santana are probably the rudest people on the show. they are body shamers and bullies but most people don’t care.
"But you do have a point there" Mash Potatoes pants
To be fair, sue has said worse regarding the glee club, she even called unique a she male... Unique is a transgender
true but you dont call someones baby retarded
I get that but at the same time, it was in the heat of the moment. Finn was angry and when you're in the heat of the moment, you're not thinking about the words coming out of your mouth. Also, why does everyone just gang up on Finn the one time he says something horrible to someone, but everyone laughs or something when ppl do that to him on a regular basis? Then they will use that one instance to say that Finn's a horrible person. That's exactly what happened with the whole "accidentally outing Santana" thing
I don't care if he's good or bad. What I care about is the use of the "R" word! My late brother had Downs Syndrome and we were so close people used to say we were like twins. I got in plenty of fights because of people saying that to him. He along with many other people with mental or physical disorders deal with hate all the time. If people don't want hate being spread about race, gender, or sexual orientation, then I think everyone deserves respect. I know my brother would agree.💜🌎🌐🚫👹
Kat M I agree
"If people don't want hate being spread about race, gender, or sexual orientation, then I think everyone deserves respect"
I agree too, but Finn said this out of anger in the heat of the moment. You can't say the same for Sue in this case. If she didn't want Finn saying something hurtful like that *out of anger*, maybe she shouldn't push him like that. Lesson to be learned here, if you're going to dish something out, be prepared to have some thrown back at you whether it be intentional or not. That's just reality, sadly. We can be nice and accepting, but we are still people and as we all know, we can be pretty nasty when poked and pushed to our limits.
As someone with special needs, this scene did hurt but I do admire Finn for immediately apologizing. And Unique deserved the role of Rizzo
should finn have said it? no. did he immediately realize how wrong he was and instantly apologize? yes. that's what's important. he made a mistake, and apologized for it. sue 100% had every right to be angry with him, but what's important is that he understood he was in the wrong. what's also important is that sue was saying awful things about unique, and finn reacted in anger. neither of them are in the right here.
That is the truest comment I have seen
period
Even tho i hated what Finn said, Sue has said worse things to the Glee Club so she its karma in a sense but still Finn could of used a better word.
Kelsie Phillips yeah he could have used a better word
It just came out. He was talking fast. I'm glad he apologized. I think sue knew he didn't mean it
Kelsie Phillips Same!
Kelsie Phillips well he is dead. Karma wasn't on his side after all.
omega that's a really fucked up thing to say
A strange, weepy man-child who has lotion in his hair but no adult friends 😂😂
Love sue
lol wtf she's going around calling Unique a shemale and a "gender confused boy in a dress" but the second Finn accidentally used a bad word bc he was mad, and apologised straight away, hes the bad guy. I hate the way the show portrayed Unique tbh, they just confused people's views on the trans community when they could've empowered it and raised awareness.
true! It really upset me when they would call Unique a he as I am FTM and that just hits home.
Unique is gender confused tho.
+AnimeOtaku no not really because SHE identifies as a WOMAN.
+AnimeOtaku bitch unique is a woman no matter what you fucking say. if unique says she is a woman you don't have to agree but PLEASE respect that and call unique a woman or if you don't feel comfortable with that, call her they. and also what do cats have anything to do with this lol
+AnimeOtaku can you please get your head out of your ass please? I'm seriously done with transphobia in this world. I'm a trans woman so do you really think I don't know anything about this? I'm trans, you are cisgender. How would you fucking feel if I started telling that you aren't the gender that you actually are? be honest with your answer and again, pull your head out of your ass.
1:24 Will's face expression 😂 he's like, "damn it she's right"
What Finn said was bad, but Sue called Unique a 'She Male' and even Will said Unique is 'Definitely a Guy'
that bitch at that time she was only out to very close friends,will didnt know
Unique is a man.
@@morningivy Unique is a female in here. She identifies as a female so she's a female. If someone thinks they're a specific gender, then respect them and their decisions instead of being rude. If everyone respected everyone in this world, then we wouldn't even be having all these dumb provlems between humans.
Tbh. This is why I love Glee. It shows how disgusting the real world is now and how being different can lead you to being bullied to the point you break. Glee really was ahead of its time.
@@morningivy I have to disagree. You can at least respect her pronouns. As a trans man it means a lot to just use our desired pronouns. You don't have to agree or support us, but at least give us the respect of using our pronouns.
Morning When you’re completely dismissing my entire gender? I take hormones, I’ve had surgery, its not just “dress up”, its who I am. Its not the same as someone who is a schizophrenic, I’m not delusional or psychotic. But its whatever, I’m obviously not going to convince you to give other human beings a sliver of respect. You don’t deserve respect if you can’t even say the right pronouns. Good day.
Finn was totally in the wrong, but he apologized immediately amd then a couple more times afterwards. I get Sue being mad, but she KNOWS Finn is a good guy and didn't need to hold a grudge for that long.
Broadway Baby he was but he realised it was the wrong word to use/say almost immediately, his face dropped the second it came out of his mouth. Although I understand Sue’s anger she should know Finn isn’t like that
@@wishfulaudios2319 Sorry to Jump in the discussion here when I haven't been a part of it, but I wanted to say this- Even when you know somebody isn't like that, you have trouble letting it go. Normal Moms end lifelong friendships because a former friend said something hurtful about their child. The maternal instinct drives you to protect your child above all else. And this isn't just any normal mom, it's Sue. She can hold a grudge longer than anybody. And when somebody talks shit about her baby, who also has the same disability as her sister and Becky that she fiercely loves and protects, that is the ultimate reason to hold a grudge. Sue just listened to him use the same slur that she probably heard used toward Jean a million times before, and to see it used on her daughter so many years later would have been a hard blow. Because it would have proved to her that that particular cruelty is still not dead. Plus, in Theatricality when Finn used the word "Faggy" toward Kurt and Burt had used other examples of hurtful terms (that being one of them) He'd told Burt Hummel that he would never use that term in reference to Becky Jackson. The fact that he used it in reference to Sue was used not toward her child, but to hurt her, and she knew that. She didn't want her daughter to be used as a scapegoat, because no mother wants that. Sue can be a total piece of work sometimes, absolutely. But using a child to hurt a mother is crossing every line imaginable. There's no going back from that one. Not even for the nice guys like Finn.
It was a low blow for Finn to say that shit knowing how she has a strong history with DS in her family
Broadway Baby
Okay but sue always makes fun of the students’ appearances and calls them names and smacks them with objects. I get Finn was way over the line but at least he apologized immediately after. Sue never apologized once
Finn has a hard time thinking before he speaks in the heat of the moment (him calling kurt a 'fag' and accidentally outing santana) but I'm happy he apologized, and he really means it. Though, i understand sue being upset, it's her child
Finns character arc was so incredible and complex, and Cory absolutely killed it in the acting department
What's really heavy about this scene is that this is one of the few times in the series where Sue was genuinely hurt. After Finn said that, she didn't storm out of the office and start throwing stuff (and students) around while "O Fortuna" played. She quietly walked out of the room, and, I suspect, went to her office and cried. Finn really hurt Sue here.
He apologized when sue never apologizes
- May he Rest In Peace
Just remember when Finn died, Sue had nothing but positive, good things to say about him (yes I know this is a show and that is the context of what I am saying it in). Finn screwed up but in the end, it doesn't appear Sue held it against him forever about it.
Besides sue desereved it for being transphobic.
How did Finn screw up?
@@unorthodoxblackgirl8112 Finn called Sue's baby (who had Down Syndrome) the R word.
It’s always hard because you know Finn never means the words he says, like when he called Kurt’s lamp “f*ggy” and this for example. His acceptance of everyone including Unique shows that however he just struggles with his words
I struggle with my words. And I still manage not to say slurs. If you don't use a word you won't say it in everyday language.
Yes and no. To a certain extent that's true and easy to understand. We all make mistakes and it's fine since we're just humans - but there is a line there. I mean, calling names is always bad but some slurs are seriously vile - toxic and harmful, stigmatizing.
For instance. A lamp being called "f*ggy" - ok, that's mean and nasty, but not venomous. But calling a disabled person or a person with special needs as a r*tarded? That's just horrible. Saying it means that the person actually thinks that way. That the other person is broken/a failure/f*cked up. THAT'S what this is about - this is the core of it all.
We need to change this way of thinking in our society. Different people matter too - and we can succeed despite all. I myself have ADD and even though I'm doing just fine (beginning to work on my master thesis this autumn), I struggle with my self-esteem constantly because of the challenges it causes me. And dear lord, if someone would call me that slur... it would hurt like hell. I'm tough and been through a lot so I'd get over it with time but some of us are more on the edge. That kind of language can do a lot of damage. Todays society should know better.
@@flav2689 Except the idea that "retarded" means "fucked up" literally came from the people who decided to start taking offense on behalf of others. Retardation is simply delayed mental development. It's also a musical term. The fact that it isn't used anymore is irrelevant. The term "ADD" isn't used more either, and I doubt you just offended anyone. Also, while ADHD is a class of intellectual disability, I don't think it really fell under the umbrella of how mental retardation was defined in the DSM. So, you're just kind of taking someone else's problems and making them your own.
Also, before "retardation," the acceptable legal terms for mentally disabled people were "idiot," "imbecile," and "moron." So, if you've ever used any of those words, you were using a slur. Enjoy that fun fact of the day.
they misgendered unique so damn much 😭😭😭😭😭
fr it’s so sad tbh
Who is unique? sorry still learning the characters names after haven't seeing this show in a long time.
I don't think they did tho, at this point. The person playing Unique/Wade was on the glee project and wanted to portray not knowing what gender they wanted to be, instead going between both genders, to show a more nonbinary part of transitioning before going fully by "she"
Whatever nobody cares to trans ppl anyways
@@msb46 yes we do, ur weird
I can't be mad at Finn, he realized he messed up and at the same time Sue kept calling Unique trans slurs, why isn't she getting all this hate?
She was calling everyone in that room something worse than what Finn said
exactly
Lalisa T the r word and making transphobic slurs are equally bad. One is not worse than the other.
@@sofiaozuna5992 but Finn immediately apologized after. There's a difference.
Everyone loves Sue
Sue's insults are my favourite thing is the whole series of glee. doesn't make her a good person but she is still hilarious
He immediately apologized tho!
Danni Liliac he shouldn't have said that.
AMAYA SAPPLETON it's the character, sure the director made the "actor" say it but the character still said it.
Danni Liliac it doesn't matter he still said it you can't take words back
+Danni Liliac Yup already better than Sue, who almost never apologizes.
The people saying it doesn’t matter are delusional.
Bro she says crap all the time but now she can't handle I understand he shouldn't have said it but she shouldn't be the omenfutios
I'm sorry but principles figgins face throughout this whole scene including the end was priceless.😆😂😄
This has always been finns problem. He's a sweetheart but when someone pushes him too far he says things he doesn't mean out of anger and they're often cruel... Like when Kurt was crossing the line and he said faggy, or when he called Brittany stupid, or when Santana bullied him to the point that he outed her." He always tried to go above and beyond to make up for it though
Finn telling Sue she wasn't being open-minded but then being so close-minded to her point of view.
Finn Apologizing just ..... "....I apologize" my heart
You're talking about a baby though Robin can't stick up for herself 💔
but he apologised straight away what he said was accidental
Watching this scene I understand Finn's point of view. The R word is an outdated word that used to be used frequently for a description of someone with special needs. It then became offensive when people would replace words like "stupid" and "dumb" with r*****. The R word only used to be used as a medical term for people who were diagnosed with a special needs by Doctors its Medical Language that is only not offensive when it is used to diagnose people. I don't think Finn deserves as much hate as he is getting because he apologized, and most people don't. It's sad but true, I know because I have someone very close to me that has Down syndrome like Sue's baby
Sue's roasts are the best
Let's all be honest here. Sue can be a real jerk, but she always cares for the students. It's not that she doesn't respect Unique, she just worries that going on stage will lead to even more bullying for Unique. She doesn't want things to get out of hand like it did with Kurt. This time, I actually agree with Sue. She's just looking out for the students.
But she also misgendered Unique. Even if she cared about Unique the way she showed it was completely wrong.
she handled it in the wrong way
Did you even watch the show? She didn’t give a crap about most of them
What the hell none of this is true lol
Shannon Sunshine did you watch it? Because that’s most certainly not true, yes sue was rude and a bully but she was helping those kids see that not everyone is all nice and sunshine and all your dreams are gonna come true if you just believe, no sometimes the world is a rude and scary place with rude and scary ppl and that what she was portraying she didn’t want Unique to play the part because that backlash Unique would get
My best friend has Down syndrome, we’ve known each other since preschool, which was twelve years ago. Back then, I didn’t know there was anything different about her. But then we grew up, and I saw how other people treated her, and It broke my heart. Hearing someone kind and loving get called such a hateful word, it’s so unfair that it happens.
“Don’t put this kid in danger just because you wanted make a grand gesture about how open minded you are.”
Why did he have to bring an innocent baby into this? He couldn’t have said something rude to Sue? Cause Sue just called Unique a shemale. Finn should’ve dissed Sue, not Robin. Also, Finn isn’t the only bad one here. Sue was just calling Unique a man before so they both messed up here.
he was mad... you use what weapons you have. Sue is not a fragile nun. But sue is right that thing called Unique has no talent. He belongs on some reality show or instagram. Virtue Signaling was what Finn was up to.
@@eduardochavacano Sue does have a weakness that doesn’t involve another person. Her hair. She hates how it’s so short and is jealous of Mr. Shues hair. Finn could’ve dissed Sue’s hair. And Unique is a she not a he.
@@eduardochavacano Okay Eduardo let’s see you perform some musical numbers. She has a killer voice.
@@eduardochavacano what vocals do you have compared to unique? lets see em transphobe!
@@eduardochavacano if so why was that a weapon to him while sue may not be a fragile nun that baby might as well be finn had absolutely no right to say any of that not to mention if a word just “slips out” chances are you’ve said it before
Kind of thought Finn learned his lesson after using the words 'fag/faggy' but nope. I would accept his apology and not see it as actual hate towards the disabled, but I'd never let my guard down with him either after seeing how venomous he can be.
Then again, going off clips. Don't follow the show. But I respect it
hes a teenager in america. im shocked he even bothered to apologize.
Finn is a good guy but seems to have one major flaw of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time
This was Sue's fault. She would ALWAYS AND I MEAN ALWAYS, push and push and push and push and push and push and push and push people with her rude, disrespectful, inconsiderate, tereible words to the point wherw they FINALLY snap and say something awful and sometimes unforgivable. Then she jumps back and plays the victim. It ain't right.
but he made the good point? even if he used a word he shouldn’t have, he was right. he was calling out sue for her hypocrisy. finn was the only one who really helped unique here at all. also this is what, one of 3 times anyone has ever apologized on glee? lmao
Lmao chill😂 he obviously didn’t mean it and he actually likes Becky Jackson so he definitely isn’t discriminating
You know someone's in the wrong when Figgins seems like the sane one
Finn has somehow never faced any consequences for any the things that he did
Death is funny like that sometimes
He did when he used the F slur at Kurt...
“ im sorry i didn’t mean to say that. that was the wrong word to use i apologize. “ my heart ! finn the way you apologize is so sweet
Sue always kind of liked the glee club and even acknowledged it that she would constantly challenge the glee club to make them stronger, stood up for a bullied victim, and felt sympathy towards Santana being outed.
What does that have to do with this video? Sue literally spent the entire time misgendering and saying transphobic things about unique.
The amount of slurs Finn said and got away with is just not okay
it is OK and there is NOTHING you can do about it now!
I mean he did apologize here but I do think they could’ve done more to show why he was wrong
Words have no more power than we give them. Take it from someone who was bullied their whole life and didn't let any of it bother them.
Ah but you don't have to give "you're under arrest" from a cop any power at all for it to still affect your life
Why are people arguing over this lol
Yes, Sue has said things before & hardly apologized, but deep down she cared for them all even Finn, remember what she's said about him in The Quarterback later.
People talk fast when they're mad to a point where they say something they don't mean & Finn reacted to that fast & immediately apologized. Yeah, it was wrong for him to say that but you can tell he didn't really mean it.
Goddamnit Finn! I like you but by god...
Also, first time Sue eve genuinely scared me
As much as I try to feel sorry for Finn, he keeps saying the wrong words and keeps messing up.
What Finn said was wrong but the fact that sue wasn’t held accountable for calling unique a gender confused boy isn’t right either.
Even the AC turned off.
Figgins having a crush on Unique is one of the funniest side lines
It’s creepy tho that’s a student 😭
This and the one with Kurt are the only real times when Finn really lost it, but to be real : He was fighting for Unique and something like this can happen to anyone and I'm sure that everyone here had on of those moments, when they talked faster than the thought... At least he realized it and said sorry
S1 Finn about calling someone r****d : of course not thats cruel (about a teen girl wholesome student)
S4:*calls baby the same thing *
What is wrong with finn though
iLoveRainbows4life no he thought burt meant becky but he meant Brittany
@@loganhunt5995 burt was talking about Becky
Uh he was pissed with sue for being transphobic and calling chubby.
@@tomsautocadstudio6446 that’s no excuse
bad writing and inconsistent characterization
Sue is for sure not the best person, but that was totally uncalled for
at least he apoligized immediately after he realized what he said. It was a mess up of words
I think everyone forgets this is a show and the writers made him say say this..😛
2:25 Sue's EYES!
I feel like Sue was doing this to try to protect Unique
This is one of the many reasons that I don’t like Finn. He outed Santana, he was homophobic towards Kurt, he was extremely hypocritical when it came to relationships and cheating, and he was ableist towards Sue’s baby. And even after all of that, he rarely apologised, and if he did it was insincere and he would just continue doing it.
I’m sure Cory was a great guy, but Finn was just awful.
C FF he did apologize to her directly after though...
Rose if I punch you and then say sorry does that make it okay? No.
@@cff9581 sue said horrible shit all the time and NEVER apologized once. Finn always apologized either right away or soon after. He's a better person than sue.
marrissa Lambert oh lmaoo everyone is a better person than sue but Finn was still a horrible guy
Santana was out already, Kurt was being predatory at the time, he was a teenage boy, he didn’t mean retarded as an insult, & he literally apologized in the same scene
i like that finn said sorry straight away, and that he acknowledged that it was the wrong word to use. he's a good guy. i miss cory
@@milkisreallygood8957 really?
Finn outed Santana called Kurt’s stuff f*gy and this whole clip I still don’t get how people defend his actions
@@Idkwhattonamethis08 I remember reading a study once that people who form parasocial relationships with fictional TV characters actually experience a lot of the same sociological effects as someone who has friends in real life. So when people defend Finn, they think they're defending their actual dead friend.
i love how they try to make finn this huge ally when he literally just called kurt the f slur and publically outed santana.. i fight so hard to like this show
back when glee actually let their characters grow and face repurcussions from problematic shit they did.....i miss how much the episodes showed learning and growth
If I was there, I would’ve told Sue that I agree with Will and Finn.
What made me laugh is in the next episode Finn apologizes for the word he used and Sue said he has hate in his heart...Have you met yourself Sue? Even with Finn's mistakes he still had more love in his heart than she did. God rest his soul.
The moment when Finn said “ENOUGH” is when you he’s the new Will
"Unnecessary lubrication of lightning"
Finn was having really good opinions here, but then the writers had to fuck it up...
Finn was a horrible person. He called Kurt 'faggy,' he would laugh whenever Santana insulted Rachel, he cheated on Quinn, he outed Santana, he stole Quinn from Sam, he called Sue's baby 'retarded,', he didn't call Rachel for months and expected her to go back to her after she had moved on, he was creepy as hell to Rachel at the wedding, he beat up Brody (which was none of his business) he hardly spoke to Rachel afterwards and didn't even go see her in New York after he beat Brody and he kissed his best friend's fiancee. Finn was a dick
@@newxromantic everyone on glee was a dick. That’s what happens when the writers don’t know what the fuck they’re doing with the characters.
Omg I loved Finn (Rest In Peace Cory 😢) but I hated him so much in this scene!It's not baby's fault what happen between him and Sue
I can’t believe he said that after Burt talked with him about saying fag in season 1 (also hello I’m gay and I don’t think it’s offensive unless you’re using it in a hateful way like Finn was)
I’m surprised no one is really commenting on this tied with that incident in 1x20
Finn always had a bad case of foot in mouth
This scene gets me so mad like point 1 Sue: just gonna correct you there is no teen pregnancy in Grease it was a false alarm! Point two: Unique is transgender and should not be called slanders like "she male" or "sexually confused boy in a dress" like that is low even for Sue! 3: Sue has done nothing to help the glee club unless you include not sabotaging them at every chance she got! But on the flip side: you never use the word r****d! Like I HATE that word with a passion! It is so wrong! xx
'weepy man child' had me dead
why is everyone in the comments borderline defending finn’s use of a slur bc “he apologized immediately after”,,,,,
I think Sue was trying to help Unique she didn't want people bullying her about it but the way she said it made Finn feel like she was just being mean
she did say, how to put this nicely, incorrect words to explain why he would get bullied. but yeah I agree. I keep watching it and I think the knew the reality is even if it has always been a thing in theater, it doesn't mean people wouldn't be nasty about it even though there is nothing to be upset about.
'CHUBBT ONE CANOBY' DEAD
Mashed potato pants got me
“Weepy man child who has no adult friends” sue 😂
I love this scene!!!!!!😍😜
Lol in season one, Finn said he'd never say that word. Yikes
People don't understand that sue knows how to treat outcasts. She didn't want that unique gets hurt by other Student
People don't seem to understand that calling somebody transphobic slurs and staying transphobic things, isn't protecting a student from being hurt.
at least he has the decency to apologize. he fucks up sm
seeing will refer to unique as a man and just claim that having her play rizzo as “cross-gendered casting” is infuriating, i’m glad finn spoke up about her identifying as a woman.
The way Sue looked at Finn with such absolute disappointment was bone chilling!
He handled that incredibly well. 'That was the wrong word to use I apologize' Claps to Finn, that is the way forward
This was maybe Finn's biggest flaw. When he gets frustrated he is so offensive. Remember when he called the room Kurt decorated faggy and when he called Brittany idiot for leaving glee
Will: "Unique is definitely a guy"
Figgins: "wot"
😂😂😂
I personally think that Sue is trying to protect Unique. Since she stated that they lived in Lima with some close-minded people and still being old-fashion. Ok maybe Lima is accepting gay people, but trans? Or cross gendered musical? Maybe not since Sue stated that. What Sue is trying to say that if Unique play Rizzo it will bring more harm to Unique herself, she/he will be booed and more bullied. Sue is protecting her.
Sue spent that entire time misgendering and saying transphobic things about unique, in no way was she trying to protect her.
I get her monologue actually. she just doesn't want to see another kid bullied. she really loves these kids. her vocabulary is just of her age group. quite literally of her times.
What were these WRITERS THINKING? putting that into the characters lines Wow.
Finn did things like this all the time. He was a horrible person and he got away with it all the time
Same with Sue, Rachel, Santana, and Britney
2:26 Sue Death Glare
And stats when Finn knew, he fucked up.....
Finn will be amazing for 15 episodes, and then say or do something so stupid I-
Even though what finn said was wrong sue has said FAR worse things to all the new directions
Finn has said ever slur in the book, but you guys forgive him because he’s tall lmao
No it’s cuz he genuinely apologizes unlike literally most of the other people who’ve done the same thing like Sue. Or when he outed Santana, Santana did the same thing to Kurt “as a joke” but that’s when people REALLY dismiss it.
He wasn’t using it as an insult, “mentally retarded” is a medical term. Plus he realized what he said and immediately apologized. It was the heat of the moment and he was trying to make a point that Sue should understand what its like to be marginalized because she had a sister and a child who’s disabled
Sue forever dishing out but can’t take it
this scene made me laugh so hard
I obviously hate that Finn used that word. But sues second word in her lines was idiot. idiots just as bad as what finn said in terms of insults against disabled people. also she called a trans girl a shemale. so she should practice what she's preaching before playing victim the one time someone insults her instead of insulting them.
I can see your happy Finns dead.....
3Of1Mil the actor dying has nothing to do with the character. Fiction is a thing
@@pong9867 girl who said that
Let's all be honest. Finn (as a character) was an actual asshole. He's said and done horrible things. That being said. I love Cory and he was a good actor❤️ rip Cory
2:32
No words were needed
(Powerful acting)
0:29 how is nobody talking about how fucked it would be if a real principal said that