Yosemite Bowline vs Double Bowline

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  • Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024

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  • @nicksheen7619
    @nicksheen7619 3 года назад +4

    totaratree99, thanks for the good info. I came here from EducatedClimber talking about Yosemite finish, and I think there are a few issues with the Yosemite finish - one being as you point out that there is a spare loop that if pulled on will untie the knot. The other being if you tie it subtly incorrectly (by going the wrong way around the loop leg, and especially if you don't dress and set the knot) that it can morph into a Zeppelin hitch. As a rock climber for many years I have used a single bowline but finished as you finished your double bow, by feeding the tail up through the loop with the standing end. I also used just a thumb knot around the standing end to secure (not the fishermans that you show). There are several difference in rock climbing if you have the philosophy of "if you aren't flying you aren't trying", you knot gets repeated "tested", whereas with tree work it is mainly hanging and sometimes swinging. The single bowline finished as I describe is easier to untie after a fall (or repeated falls) than a figure 8, is stronger than an unfinished bowline because the loop around the standing end is not as tight (passing around 2 ropes instead of just one resulting in a less tight bend for this critical part of the knot), and is more fool-proof than the Yosemite finish. In comparison to the double bowline, it uses less rope which is important for a weight weenie rock jock wanting to climb long pitches, but probably not so important for tree work. Interested in your thoughts on this.
    Also nice to meet a fellow kiwi on the interweb. It's a big place out there.

    • @nicksheen7619
      @nicksheen7619 3 года назад +1

      PS, if I were to use a bowline in a place such as the anchor at the bottom of a tree, where I couldn't periodically inspect it, I would recommend using a fishermans as you show, rather than a thumb-knot to secure the tail. The fishermans won't loosen whereas a thumb knot is much more likely to loosen.

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  3 года назад

      Hi Nick, thanks for your comments and useful insite. I do know of tree companies that switched from a bowline (one variation or another) to the double figure of eight due to the fact that bowline knots can be tied incorrectly. The problem has reduced in recent years as many companies and individuals are now using splices. A splice of course wouldn't work in rock climbing as, obviously, it requires a carabiner. I like your "if you aren't flying you aren't trying" saying:)

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  3 года назад +1

      Agree, although I use different terninology with those knots. I assume you are refering to what I would call double overhand knot and single overhand knot. Sorry to be picky, but in my opinion too many knots get called "fishermans".
      Again thanks for your comment.

    • @nicksheen7619
      @nicksheen7619 3 года назад +1

      @@totaratree99 Yep, and yep.

  • @climberevan
    @climberevan 11 месяцев назад +1

    I've started using the Scott's Locked version of a single bowline for lead climbing. It's secure and easy to untie, and not prone to the slight risk of failure that plagues the Yosemite finish.

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for that. Stay safe. Cheers 👍

  • @paulmitchell5349
    @paulmitchell5349 4 года назад +6

    I have been using the double bowline for the last 8 years.Hasn't come loose at all by itself.

  • @666haydn
    @666haydn 4 года назад +2

    just found you and just started a very, informative piece of information thank you

  • @christiangraves9340
    @christiangraves9340 2 года назад +2

    ive converted to strictly the double bowline especially if i’m leading and will take falls, its way easier to untie than the figure 8 when loaded and pumped from a climb

  • @arboristupatree7390
    @arboristupatree7390 Год назад +2

    Another useful vid from your channel. Cheers :)

  • @jacksonhall5725
    @jacksonhall5725 2 года назад +1

    I'm coming from a background in rock climbing, not tree climbing, so the context is a little different. That said, I've taught (and been taught) to tie the bowline onto a harness or other anchor point- and not just to tie it free-standing and clip it into something else. This prevents this mixup with the Yosemite bowline.

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  2 года назад

      HI. Yes good point. This is one of the big differences between rock and tree climbing. The reason a connector is used for tree climbing is to make advancing your rope more efficient when changing from one Tie in Point (TiP) to another.
      Agree that for rock climbing the knot should be tied to the harness directly thus eliminating the risk.

  • @thecookieling8280
    @thecookieling8280 4 года назад +4

    on the yosemite i am pretty sure the tag end should have been on the left side

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  4 года назад +3

      Hi. Thanks for your comment. Most publications I can find have the tail on the right. Some have it behind. Regardless the Double Bowline is safer and stronger so should be chosen instead of the Yosemite for life support systems.

    • @thecookieling8280
      @thecookieling8280 4 года назад +2

      @@totaratree99 yeah I am with you on that, gotta start using the double instead of yosemite

  • @scenicnz4296
    @scenicnz4296 Год назад +2

    Well explained thanks.

  • @NoWayJose.50
    @NoWayJose.50 3 года назад +2

    Would wrapping and finishing the double like a yosemite kinda like giving a third wrap compromise the knot?

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  3 года назад +2

      Good question. I do not think it would compromise the knot, however it could create the problem loop that is the issue with the yosemite. Also it would make the knot extra bulky. Cheers.

  • @JohnZdon-j2m
    @JohnZdon-j2m Год назад +1

    I hear that Yosemite finish end is supposed to go on the left side otherwise it'll slip through and fuck up the bowline knot. Not sure though, I think it can slip through either way.

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  Год назад

      I think left is better but either way not super secure like you say. Thanks A.

    • @TJB270
      @TJB270 10 месяцев назад

      How you dress it is what matters. Dress it properly & if the tail slips out, it’s still a bowline

  • @arianvakili8964
    @arianvakili8964 2 года назад +2

    What knot do you recommend then mate I'm very fond of your videos

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  2 года назад +1

      Thanks Arian. Out of these two the double bowline for sure. If you want a self tightening knot go for a scaffold knot. Although best yet is a factory splice on the rope end.

  • @marksatterfield
    @marksatterfield 2 года назад +3

    What is the advantage of this compared to a normal bowline

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  2 года назад +1

      Good question. Both of these knots are stronger under load and more secure (less likely to undo on their own). Obviously as explained in vid the double is more fool proof in my opinion too.

  • @simonparker4992
    @simonparker4992 3 года назад +3

    good video

    • @totaratree99
      @totaratree99  3 года назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed. thanks for saying. Cheers