@@nicholasvaldez8322 (+5) means the Sports Book thinks Team A is not as good as Team B, so Team A gets a 5 point lead. So for the bet to win Team A can’t lose by more than 5pts. If Team B wins by 6pts you lose. Now let’s look at it the opposite way. Team A is minus (-9) which means Team A is much better than Team B, so for the bet to win, Team A must win by more than 9 points.
what I've learned from these vids is that profitable sports betting is more of a data analytics job than anything else. as someone looking to transition into the data analytics field, that's an interesting proposition.
always was funny thing, ppl should get more into cryptobetting for games like league of legends, knowing some stuff about the game and how late the broadcast is between regions should give a good edge
@@JesseS. maybe but I have a friend that makes a good amount of money betting hockey and baseball and he’s never watched a game. he follows the data and bets the edge just like these guys. he loses a lot back betting football because he loves football and the emotions of fandom get in the way.
@@JesseS. it's better if they don't. the more you like it, the greater the vexation of sentimental attachment. you want to remove all feelings and focus on the logistics, math, and statistical distributions. introducing feelings into a business governed by probabilities and expected values is the easiest way to blow up your account. it's the same with market securities. you're seriously going to trade stocks simply because you have feelings about the companies? invest in companies only because you enjoy their products?
I tend to think the more legit you are about something, the simpler you can explain that something. This dude explained it better than anyone I’ve heard.
There's a stretch from around 13:00 onward where I have no idea what .. i mean I know those are 'words' and 'numbers' but yes its like some different language lol. I don't really know an gambling terms but to your point - it makes me think he wins because he really does know.. and in some freaky 'autistic' ways, he legit has a freak-brain for these numbers and very complex combinations and its 'live' in his head so its not some formula he just follows from some scheme he saw and memorized.
This highlights to me that recreational bettors have virtually no chance of long term success. Just look at the hoops they have to go through if they have a good streak on a single platform. Props to them for hustling hard to beat the system
The trick is to place a few “dumb bets” or “parlays” just for throw away money cuz they know any real sharp bettor wouldn’t “parlay.” I’m s profitable bettor but I will admit I don’t bet 5 figures on games I only bet a few hundred, it pays my rent and car and I live comfortably.
@@BillBondsHasAPosse a few mug bets dsnt detract frm the fact u have a winning accnt mikey m8, tht is the 1 and only governing factory whn bookies asses an account
why don't the guys just make the phones fake the mac address provided to the app? the application can't tell if it is being ran on a phone or an emulator that lies to it(perfect drm doesn't exist, as the application is running on an users phone the environment can't be trusted).
Yeah, this might not see an instant return, but I hope he keeps it up because it could really differentiate his channel in the long run being the “on the ground” guru detective
His own dime? lol sure spend a few hundo on a plane ticket to make a video that is going to make him thousands of dollars for the next multiple years. hahah I love spencer, but lets not act like this trip was "charity" for his fans/viewers. This is his job and how/why he makes so much money on youtube.
Exactly. You hear about the 99% of guys losing on sports? These are the 1%. Here in the U.K. it’s people like this who win most. I’m in the business- the hardest thing is actually placing the bets. This shows it can be done
With small margins you need to place large bets. $5k with a 1% edge is only $50. That’s why you need to have four/five figure bets when betting professionally. You need contacts- not everyone can do this
I don’t gamble, so at 15 minutes it was like he was speaking French… however… you can tell dude is the real deal. Respect for being a master of your craft.
What this guy's doing has nothing to do with gambling to be honest. It's all probability/statistics. The part where he explains that he can pretty much calculate what he's going to win if he puts down $1M in volume is where he sort of mentions that. If he has a 6% edge, every $1M he bets with that same edge, he'll win $60-70k. It has nothing to do with picking winners to these guys and everything to do with getting the best number possible - and anyone that wins in sports betting long term does this - anyone out there "handicapping games" and trying to pick winners is a fraud.
@@nickchep Exactly, it's a large numbers game that requires a lot of data extraction, data entry, working on statistical models, calculating "true" odds, comparing with the odds presented by the books, finding significant discrepancies, checking historical data, performing trend analysis. A lot goes into it before a bet is being placed.
Winning bettors will never try and sell you their picks because that diminishes THEIR edge!! Easy to tell the touts from the real ones Spencer you the 🐐
Hes just using don best software bro.....its nothing special lol, the ONLY edge he has is that they can afford to spend $5,300 a year to use a software program to place positive ev bets taking advantage of line discrepancies. #thatDosentTakeSKILL
I think you definitely proved a great point. Exposing all those influencers. That are just robbing their audience's. These guys are workin harder than most ppl at a 9 to 5. Which is what it takes to be a winner apparently
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I would never have thought I'd have to work harder AND smarter to make millions of dollars!! xD
Most 9-to-fivers aren’t making a million at a time though. They’re paying the bills, mortgage, child support 😄, and likely have little left or none for retirement.
@@shitmandood most 9-5 people don't actually work, we watch youtube, play games on our phones. gossip at the water cooler. Don't act like corp people actually work.
@@nocommentarygaming2517 Slacker! It's complete bullshit btw. A lot of corp jobs aren't busy all year long. Some months have slow periods, or if the company is about to go tits up. It's no different from reading a magazine or a newspaper at work in the past. When it gets busy however and you don't work, people that don't work at work end up on the shortlist to get shit-canned.
@@shitmandood hey man fuck off. We only have so much attention span and energy. I feel drained after work. Trying to read a book or study is so difficult after busting my ass making sandwiches and cleaning the restaurant.
I literally never comment, this was one of the coolest videos I’ve seen. Especially with what your doing it makes sense. When he was explaining his edge I couldn’t help but feel like he was speaking another language yet it wasn’t deceptive, it came off as Rain Man trying to explain how his brain works. Lol
First time i've ever seen a real sports betting operation. I've seen similar people that trade forex and options like Rain Man, bet never sports betting.
When u were a kid, did you ever think you'd be truly reporting and traveling to interview ppl? You are the new age journalist! We need more of this Spencer, we with you for the long haul.
They're definitely missing an IT guy. If i was in this operation, this would all be ported into a single notebook, with a modded android emulator generating new MAC IDS for every single session, automatic anti-idle, and a management interface to post the bets accross all accounts, automatic new account creation, deposits/withdraws, and a vpn tunnel for each of the sessions so they can't be tracked to the same IP. They could probably increase their operation by 100x with the proper tools.
@@zeroT720 well i haven't tried it but I am pretty confident it is possible to do it without them detecting and banning faster. Maybe in your implementation you didn't get an exclusive VPN Tunnel for each session? If you just throw 20 sessions in the same IP then i do agree it's pretty much instantly detected. For them to detect anything, they either would need to use an identifying information from Android, like MAC Address/IMEI, which can be fully controlled/randomized by the emulator, or the IP Address, which can be hidden into multiple TCP Proxies / VPN tunnels / Tor connections. All of these can be fully controlled/spoofed to avoid detection. There's even an easy (but inefficient) way of doing this, by simply running multiple different Android instances on the notebook and installing a VPN app for each of them. This can probably be setup in less than a day.
@@capisenior They could definitely use someone like you to increase their value. I have to imagine these VPN tunnels would have to be custom setup by them though with a bunch of fresh servers. Any commercial VPN service is using proxies that are already marked.
That`s what I thought, I use Kali Linux and you can change MAC numbers on a dime, so it would only take a script and a Powerful COmputer to handle several Android Emulators at once, Only Problem is that girl would be out of a job.
Excellent video Spencer! This is what the mainstream investigative journalism used to be like. Keep up the great work!
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Well there still is a lot of good journalism in the mainstream media, however you're talking about the 24h news cycle and it has always been trash, literally since the inception or newspapers!
Side note, it is extremely scummy how casino apps and other sports betting platforms try to cheat and shut down successful players from actually betting. I wish more people brought light to this.
The house ALWAYS wins. Casinos thrive off taking money off Mark's, and it's all set in their favor. They count all the numbers. They look at all the odds
@@Jimbo8012 tough. You don't have the right to bet. You want to start a business to win over another business, and then whine when they don't let you? That's clown talk
Just so everyone is clear here, they are not making money because they are good at picking teams. They are playing straights odds and difference of odds. They play on the fact that these companies aren't super up to date on the real odds, and they play that difference.
You can tell after 5 mins that these guys know their stuff. Doing it for 20 years, understand how to work the system, find vulnerable companies who themselves are more interested in building volume than spending R&D on locking out high rolling winners on the fly. Makes you see those social media dimwits and wince.
This guy is just as bad as the others. He sells his trash picks just like the other guys do. Idk why spencer chose to do a video on this guy trying to pretend hes legit.
I’m really starting to appreciate your content. This was above and beyond hope people take your advice. I can see your only out to help people this was a really good job on this video.
Damn! This was honestly amazing to watch Spencer 😲 to see ACTUAL legit sports betters with an edge, seems like it's only a myth due to just how rare it actually is. BTW, these past 6/7 weeks, every upload has been bigger and better with more effort and investment back into your content. Don't know if the numbers are reflecting it (can't way for your next breakdown) but either way it 100% is being noticed and appreciated by the real ones who have been here from the start and not missed an upload 👌🏼 So impressed you put the money and time to bring us this video, mad respect my man!
@@TzUuup You forgot the part where they change IP addresses and phones. Now if the sports better send people to rough them off then that's a different story.
@@TzUuup This isn't roulette or blackjack where you have to be in person showing your face.. That's how you get escorted off premises rather quickly. Sports betting is a whole different kettle of fish 👌🏼
@@hendrikstoter3532 Think I covered everything that could be said about Spencer and his content. You can take credit for the bottom line, OK? 😂 All jokes aside, it's soooo cool to see an ACTUAL genuine, honest guy succeeding on YT without even having to show a dead body or hire an IG model for his thumbnails 🤦🏼 I really appreciate how open and transparent he is with his monthly financial breakdowns, by far the video I look most forward to as month on month the income is just getting crazier and crazier and I feel genuinely happy and in a weird way 'proud' of how far he's come and how well he's doing. I look at a lot of content and the views and just think 'WTF is my life.. These people do not deserve 1\10th of what they are getting' With Spencer I'm always trying to work out his percentage growth for the next month and last 4/5 months have been getting pretty good at it. Can't wait for him to get another rental and finally get his god damn money pit which is his Tesla on Turo and follow that adventure. I feel the same with 'Investment Joy' and his channel. Just genuine guys you can actually feel happy for when they are succeeding and wish them all the genuine best of luck
it's not that complicated once you know definitions and understand the terminology. this is assuming that you have uncommonly above-average knowledge of probability theory and statistics already...
What he does is called arbitrage. It's not a new system. Betting companies hate it and will limit/ban your account once they suspect you are arbitraging. That's why they are using different devices (IP's) to get around it. It is 100% legal just like counting numbers in Blackjack. Bookies just hate it cos it's technically a guaranteed profit. Betting companies offer different odds. The profit is really small, like 1-2% per bet but it could be risky too especially if one Bookie accepts your bet and the other rejects it.
I liked this positive inside look. It would be great to see an inside look at a hedge fund or trading company to illustrate the difference between fake online gurus vs professionals.
This is amazing!! There are ways to win when you find a small edge, bet big enough and make enough bets so the odds take over. Your videos just keep getting better and they were already so good.
i'm loving that you're also platforming people are legit! i think it 100% confirms to everyone watching that (not that we ever thought you were) you're not a "hater" and are also showing people that these things are possible but it takes EFFORT!
Amazing how much work Spencer must have put into this video - can’t imagine the costs associated with flying out, hotels, meals, Ubers all to get a story for a RUclips video, I’m sure he makes it back 10x but it’s nice to see someone who actually works to make their videos and not just sitting in front a computer and chirping
This was honestly such an amazing video Spencer! Would love to see more of this style of video, along with your regular content. You are honestly a goldmine of content.
Great content. I really enjoyed seeing the other side of things. Scammers feed off the desire for “easy” money but there’s no such thing. These guys are working hard 👍🏽
Great video. I am up 300 dollars from sports betting. I pulled my money out since it’s almost impossible to win long term. Thanks for the enlightenment Spencer
Similar! I made a few thousand on memecoins. But pulled and then began watching CoffeeZilla’s bids and stuff and I stopped “investing” my friends that didnt lost almost every time
Thank you for showing us the real ppl who do this. I was wondering if you can also show us real real estate investors as well? Love you man thank you for doing this.
Amazing content, these guys show you how to immerse one’s self into something and play to win. You can do anything and succeed if you just put the effort and commitment. I personally don’t gamble but their attitude and passion is infectious and shows from the video. Thanks!
Fantastic video Spencer! You went above and beyond with this! Kudos for taking the risk flying out there not knowing what you’d really uncover. I’m a little surprised they were so open and almost felt like a behind the scenes drug manufacturing business. Very compelling and eye-opening. Thank you.
Spencer, This video was truly amazing. Watching some of fake guru videos really get repetitive, just banging it home that none of these people can be trusted. Then you drop this gem, just being able to see inside for the glimpse we got is more insightful than anything a fake guru has done in their lives. Thank you for this one, blessings and guidance for the rest of your 2022!
This is the most transparent video on sports gambling and how casinos and online books limit “sharp” or wiseguy money. This is why a lot of these guys have tons runners to make their bets for them. Casinos and betting apps are only interested in whales, amateurs, and consistent losers and will limit or cutoff anyone who is consistently winning. You can tell this guy knows exactly what he is doing and isn’t loud like the Touts online.
Man, between this and the Micky video, it’s great to see fair time being given to people actually succeeding in the (on paper) ridiculous things they claim. Hard work and innovation never get the attention the frauds do, so this warms my cynical little heart to see. That said, please keep clowning on the frauds, we all need a good laugh these days.
Excellent vid. Nice to see there are real sports bettors with actual winning strategies. It's telling that they don't feel the need to be flashy.. often people with real money don't
This video was awesome to see. Love the behind the games look into sports betting. I just hope something gets done with all the used up phones, when the only problem with a phone is its banned from sports betting that's not a problem at all. Otherwise its a lot of e waste.
That was the best video I have ever seen from you it was nearly impeccable! To have somebody with this deep knowledge of finances show the real deal and give some kind of look behind the scene is just great. The only thing I would have loved to see is their reaction to some fake guru sport bettors but maybe in part 2 one day. I hope you keep on doing these documentary style videos in the future they really suit your format in my opinion.
This is about how I expected it to be with the aspect of having to have a ton of phones, multiple accounts/ essentially multiple identities and I’m sure multiple bank accounts they can access. I’m sure they have to be running proxies/ VPN/ or at a minimum using Cell Data on each phone since their Home/ WiFi IP is likely flagged by all these books. They likely flag more than just Device ID/ UDiD. There is a lot of Time/ Overhead associated with this that people don’t take into account either. The it is portrayed in the video honestly makes it seem easy but it is likely just a fraction of what they need to do to keep an account on an app for as long as possible before being limited. If you try to game the system properly, they’ll do everything to stop you and you will have to resort to some sketchy things to be able to continue to do what you should be allowed to do.
Now this was awesome content! I really enjoyed this video. And while i really enjoy you exposing FAKE guru's, i would love to see more videos like this one of the hard work successful people put into their craft.
Finally a video that shows just enough to a real sharp. This guy was a wealth of knowledge. I liked watching him think really hard before he said anything. You could tell he wanted to prove he was real without giving away to much . That guy is a true sharp . I am glad he kept the phones out of view.
Guys, really nice insights. Good work! As I have no access to us bookies, I'm wondering on what sports can u bet? Are u able to bet on European soccer games or soccer games in general?
Well done! You're really hitting your stride with the interview/documentary videos! It would be great to infiltrate a whale or a fake guru...before you become too recognizable.
These guys are obviously really smart and can find inefficiencies in the market. I wonder how would they do if they apply their skills in finding inefficiencies on the stock market. You cannot get banned there for finding good deals.
@@SpencerCornelia I believe it's been mathematically proven that it's impossible to be profitable day trading etc. The market is too efficient supposedly. So could potentially be another avenue you could explore in terms of fake gurus. I know there's a ton of guys selling expensive day trading courses on RUclips
@@Alex_3fl Bring in the "Everything is priced in" meme shit post on wall street bets...makes me laugh every time. "Don't even ask the question. The answer is yes, it's priced in. Think Amazon will beat the next earnings? That's already been priced in. You work at the drive thru for Mickey D's and found out that the burgers are made of human meat? Priced in. You think insiders don't already know that? The market is an all powerful, all encompassing being that knows the very inner workings of your subconscious before you were even born. Your very existence was priced in decades ago when the market was valuing Standard Oil's expected future earnings based on population growth that would lead to your birth, what age you would get a car, how many times you would drive your car every week, how many times you take the bus/train, etc. Anything you can think of has already been priced in, even the things you aren't thinking of. You have no original thoughts. Your consciousness is just an illusion, a product of the omniscent market. Free will is a myth. The market sees all, knows all and will be there from the beginning of time until the end of the universe (the market has already priced in the heat death of the universe). So please, before you make a post on wsb asking whether AAPL has priced in earpods 11 sales or whatever, know that it has already been priced in and don't ask such a dumb fucking question again."
This is legitimately the first guy I believe who talks about sports betting. I feel like this is me explaining online poker to my friends. I play over a million hands a year and only bet money where I have a small edge. It's not my feet kicked up on a table having a beer.
No way this guy is genius ,he paid someone to put a phone up to the radio on Craigslist to get a up on the betting this guy deserves all the money he has
Great video! Gambling gets a bad rep in public eyes a lot of the time it’s nice to have this to give people a better understanding and show what it really is.
Great content! As a professional poker player and total square when it comes to betting on sports, which I enjoy doing, it's awesome seeing what really goes into a winning outfit.
Really great behind the scenes video, very interesting and great to see the team talk so openly. We have access to some very market efficient betting exchanges in the UK which act as a barometer for market price on a number of sports, would be interesting to see what happened if they allowed these types of markets / products in the US.
Brilliant film, tank you Spencer. Great to see successful and legit ''hustlers''. Nice that he spend a year with his child and not so much at work, Nice to see no fake glamour and all this bs, just a hard work as it is. Thanks again 💕👍❤️
He should probably consider looking into opening his own shop if he has a good long term edge. Frankly he might even be able to approach some of the groups that limit/ban him as partners because they know he has potentially relevant edge but easier said than done obviously 🤷♂
Hey Spencer, I know you used to make models and data sheets when you sports bet back in the day. I'm curious to see your new results and how successful are with all of the tips and tricks you learned from these actual professionals. Look forward to hearing how it goes.
Well it’s awesome to see someone here in Denver killing it! If they ever need a real estate agent I’d be more than happy to help them all find multiple places.
The difference between the honest, intelligent professionals and the imbecile shyster scammers is literally night and day! Whilst I have no interest whatsoever in gambling, its really good to see those that are masters of their art, and put in really hard work to make it happen. I have the utmost respect for this group, and very well done on your achievements. Another excellent video from an outstanding channel.
By far the best video you have made !! I enjoy watching the clowns , but videos explaining where the edge comes from and how to put in work and what it takes to create an edge is awesome !!
Great video! My wife and I used to do something similar when we lived in Las Vegas: there are some electronic poker games that are set to zero house edge, or even a slight player edge. And even if the house edge is very small, it can still be worth it to play for a little while and quit after a decent win. We were methodical about it, tracking our wins and losses, enjoying visiting new properties. We used to spend some nice nights earning a little bit of cash while getting free drinks.
I remember taking sports economics in college. The professor brought a guy that helps create the odds for Vegas. He was writing out the formula on how they came up with the spreads for the giants and patriots super bowl game. At the end he told the class to bet on the giants. I put 100 on the game and won. I was actually really impress.
There’s no need, here in Las Vegas literally we have the largest dispensary in the entire world. there are dispensaries on almost every other corner like Starbucks! LOL
Dude, they don't need to buy phones and do all of this manually, if they get a dev they can get something coded that will emulate all this. I could do it in like a week. Wish I had their contact info...
Ya you should be able to cycle MAC addresses on Android but you can't emulate the operating system as it's easily identifiable by the app. There could be other reasons for this though. The app could be using multiple data points and internal serial numbers / IEMI to identify the phone.
@@Zarrx There are ways to make sure it's not identifiable though. It's work, but it can definitely be done. Even without emulation, there are tons of options to cycle MAC addresses, and to automate a lot of the work they do. Can even go CNC if you want it to look extra authentic/human to the app. It's sad to see them waste all of this hardware and effort...
Finally a real sports bettor that’s makes a lot of money and is able to show it
In sports betting what does the +5 or -9 mean when betting on a game? Like what does that actually symbolize in the game?
@@nicholasvaldez8322 (+5) means the Sports Book thinks Team A is not as good as Team B, so Team A gets a 5 point lead. So for the bet to win Team A can’t lose by more than 5pts. If Team B wins by 6pts you lose. Now let’s look at it the opposite way.
Team A is minus (-9) which means Team A is much better than Team B, so for the bet to win, Team A must win by more than 9 points.
This guy sucks .. I've got his picks before he ain't all that don't be fooled
@@chrisadams104 how about constructing a coherent sentence?
@@wasd3108 hush u nerd .. you probably don't even have 100k in your account bum
what I've learned from these vids is that profitable sports betting is more of a data analytics job than anything else. as someone looking to transition into the data analytics field, that's an interesting proposition.
you also have to enjoy sports
@@JesseS. nope
always was
funny thing, ppl should get more into cryptobetting for games like league of legends, knowing some stuff about the game and how late the broadcast is between regions should give a good edge
@@JesseS. maybe but I have a friend that makes a good amount of money betting hockey and baseball and he’s never watched a game. he follows the data and bets the edge just like these guys. he loses a lot back betting football because he loves football and the emotions of fandom get in the way.
@@JesseS. it's better if they don't. the more you like it, the greater the vexation of sentimental attachment. you want to remove all feelings and focus on the logistics, math, and statistical distributions. introducing feelings into a business governed by probabilities and expected values is the easiest way to blow up your account. it's the same with market securities. you're seriously going to trade stocks simply because you have feelings about the companies? invest in companies only because you enjoy their products?
Dudes are BEAST! No need for flashy stuff when you're actually winning and putting in the work 👊🏼
Exactly!
This goes 100% for traders as well. Every successful trader I know could care less about flashy shit. They just love winning. That's literally it.
People who work hard for their money tend be more responsible with it.
What? They are literally gambling
Just a biz expense.
You know he’s legit when he’s trying to explain it and it sounds like he speaking a completely different language
I tend to think the more legit you are about something, the simpler you can explain that something.
This dude explained it better than anyone I’ve heard.
@@hwftechdecks he did both really well, he explained it simply but didn't "dumb down" his language
If that makes sense
There's a stretch from around 13:00 onward where I have no idea what .. i mean I know those are 'words' and 'numbers' but yes its like some different language lol. I don't really know an gambling terms but to your point - it makes me think he wins because he really does know.. and in some freaky 'autistic' ways, he legit has a freak-brain for these numbers and very complex combinations and its 'live' in his head so its not some formula he just follows from some scheme he saw and memorized.
@@hwftechdecksIndeed. Wise observation bro.
This highlights to me that recreational bettors have virtually no chance of long term success. Just look at the hoops they have to go through if they have a good streak on a single platform. Props to them for hustling hard to beat the system
The trick is to place a few “dumb bets” or “parlays” just for throw away money cuz they know any real sharp bettor wouldn’t “parlay.” I’m s profitable bettor but I will admit I don’t bet 5 figures on games I only bet a few hundred, it pays my rent and car and I live comfortably.
Lol you obviously don't know what you're doing.
@@mariqstigler2197 Please stop.
@@BillBondsHasAPosse a few mug bets dsnt detract frm the fact u have a winning accnt mikey m8, tht is the 1 and only governing factory whn bookies asses an account
why don't the guys just make the phones fake the mac address provided to the app? the application can't tell if it is being ran on a phone or an emulator that lies to it(perfect drm doesn't exist, as the application is running on an users phone the environment can't be trusted).
Massive respect for Spencer to spend on his own dime to get to the front lines to see what's behind the curtain.
Great viewing 👌🏼
Yeah indeed, I like how he's going into the wild these days and refreshing to see some pro's
That’s the reason Spence is gonna be huge in his space
Yeah, this might not see an instant return, but I hope he keeps it up because it could really differentiate his channel in the long run being the “on the ground” guru detective
His own dime? lol sure spend a few hundo on a plane ticket to make a video that is going to make him thousands of dollars for the next multiple years. hahah I love spencer, but lets not act like this trip was "charity" for his fans/viewers. This is his job and how/why he makes so much money on youtube.
Spencer be out in the STREETS getting his research lol good job man keep it up
Ikr he makes great content
Bra cold 🥶
And then he gets free hookers and blow from these degenerates 🤣🤣
New series: Real Gurus Exposed, Feat. Spencer Cornelia
Louis Theroux eat that!
I love these guys. This is what a professional and legitimate sports betting venture looks and sounds like. Great work Spencer.
Not really
Exactly. You hear about the 99% of guys losing on sports? These are the 1%. Here in the U.K. it’s people like this who win most. I’m in the business- the hardest thing is actually placing the bets. This shows it can be done
With small margins you need to place large bets. $5k with a 1% edge is only $50. That’s why you need to have four/five figure bets when betting professionally. You need contacts- not everyone can do this
Look at Spencer with the top notch journalism. This is better journalism than 98% of people on TV with $500K budgets. Good job Spencer.
I don’t gamble, so at 15 minutes it was like he was speaking French… however… you can tell dude is the real deal. Respect for being a master of your craft.
What this guy's doing has nothing to do with gambling to be honest. It's all probability/statistics. The part where he explains that he can pretty much calculate what he's going to win if he puts down $1M in volume is where he sort of mentions that. If he has a 6% edge, every $1M he bets with that same edge, he'll win $60-70k. It has nothing to do with picking winners to these guys and everything to do with getting the best number possible - and anyone that wins in sports betting long term does this - anyone out there "handicapping games" and trying to pick winners is a fraud.
@@nickchep Exactly, it's a large numbers game that requires a lot of data extraction, data entry, working on statistical models, calculating "true" odds, comparing with the odds presented by the books, finding significant discrepancies, checking historical data, performing trend analysis. A lot goes into it before a bet is being placed.
Winning bettors will never try and sell you their picks because that diminishes THEIR edge!! Easy to tell the touts from the real ones Spencer you the 🐐
Hes just using don best software bro.....its nothing special lol, the ONLY edge he has is that they can afford to spend $5,300 a year to use a software program to place positive ev bets taking advantage of line discrepancies.
#thatDosentTakeSKILL
this guy sells shit too though, im skeptical
@@mrcool76789 where does he sell them at?
@@XYZCBA50 150k for a live feed of his picks, it seems fairly legit though
@@XYZCBA50 follow link on his instagram
I think you definitely proved a great point. Exposing all those influencers. That are just robbing their audience's. These guys are workin harder than most ppl at a 9 to 5. Which is what it takes to be a winner apparently
I would never have thought I'd have to work harder AND smarter to make millions of dollars!! xD
Most 9-to-fivers aren’t making a million at a time though. They’re paying the bills, mortgage, child support 😄, and likely have little left or none for retirement.
@@shitmandood most 9-5 people don't actually work, we watch youtube, play games on our phones. gossip at the water cooler. Don't act like corp people actually work.
@@nocommentarygaming2517 Slacker! It's complete bullshit btw. A lot of corp jobs aren't busy all year long. Some months have slow periods, or if the company is about to go tits up. It's no different from reading a magazine or a newspaper at work in the past. When it gets busy however and you don't work, people that don't work at work end up on the shortlist to get shit-canned.
@@shitmandood hey man fuck off. We only have so much attention span and energy. I feel drained after work. Trying to read a book or study is so difficult after busting my ass making sandwiches and cleaning the restaurant.
I literally never comment, this was one of the coolest videos I’ve seen. Especially with what your doing it makes sense.
When he was explaining his edge I couldn’t help but feel like he was speaking another language yet it wasn’t deceptive, it came off as Rain Man trying to explain how his brain works. Lol
First time i've ever seen a real sports betting operation. I've seen similar people that trade forex and options like Rain Man, bet never sports betting.
The dichotomy between a true sharp and any of the "fakes" has been forever defined with this video from Spencer. Excellent!
When u were a kid, did you ever think you'd be truly reporting and traveling to interview ppl? You are the new age journalist! We need more of this Spencer, we with you for the long haul.
They're definitely missing an IT guy. If i was in this operation, this would all be ported into a single notebook, with a modded android emulator generating new MAC IDS for every single session, automatic anti-idle, and a management interface to post the bets accross all accounts, automatic new account creation, deposits/withdraws, and a vpn tunnel for each of the sessions so they can't be tracked to the same IP.
They could probably increase their operation by 100x with the proper tools.
That'll get you banned faster. I reverted to manual after I found a working formula
@@zeroT720 well i haven't tried it but I am pretty confident it is possible to do it without them detecting and banning faster. Maybe in your implementation you didn't get an exclusive VPN Tunnel for each session? If you just throw 20 sessions in the same IP then i do agree it's pretty much instantly detected.
For them to detect anything, they either would need to use an identifying information from Android, like MAC Address/IMEI, which can be fully controlled/randomized by the emulator, or the IP Address, which can be hidden into multiple TCP Proxies / VPN tunnels / Tor connections.
All of these can be fully controlled/spoofed to avoid detection.
There's even an easy (but inefficient) way of doing this, by simply running multiple different Android instances on the notebook and installing a VPN app for each of them. This can probably be setup in less than a day.
@@capisenior They could definitely use someone like you to increase their value. I have to imagine these VPN tunnels would have to be custom setup by them though with a bunch of fresh servers. Any commercial VPN service is using proxies that are already marked.
@@silenc3x yep, known VPN services might turn into a problem. Probably would need to get a little creative for that one.
That`s what I thought, I use Kali Linux and you can change MAC numbers on a dime, so it would only take a script and a Powerful COmputer to handle several Android Emulators at once, Only Problem is that girl would be out of a job.
Excellent video Spencer! This is what the mainstream investigative journalism used to be like. Keep up the great work!
Well there still is a lot of good journalism in the mainstream media, however you're talking about the 24h news cycle and it has always been trash, literally since the inception or newspapers!
Hey buddy !
Man Spencer's doing on field investigation. This channel is legit turning into a crime channel.
Plot twist- Spencer really went to CO to try different legal weed strains and this was a chance to write the trip off on taxes🤣🤣
@@id10t98 Weed is legal is Nevada 🤷🏾♀️ he could do it at home if he wants to
@@se2664 What part of "... try different legal weed strains...: was confusing to you?
Side note, it is extremely scummy how casino apps and other sports betting platforms try to cheat and shut down successful players from actually betting. I wish more people brought light to this.
That's how they stay in business, they aren't operating to lose money. I think almost everyone knows that the house is supposed to have the edge
it's part of the game, no such thing as free money
The house ALWAYS wins. Casinos thrive off taking money off Mark's, and it's all set in their favor. They count all the numbers. They look at all the odds
@@scrub3359 - No, the gambling companies make so much money off serial losers that winners like this barely dent their profits. This is just greed.
@@Jimbo8012 tough. You don't have the right to bet. You want to start a business to win over another business, and then whine when they don't let you? That's clown talk
Just so everyone is clear here, they are not making money because they are good at picking teams. They are playing straights odds and difference of odds. They play on the fact that these companies aren't super up to date on the real odds, and they play that difference.
Yup different ways to skin a cat
Arbitrage in other words
You can tell after 5 mins that these guys know their stuff. Doing it for 20 years, understand how to work the system, find vulnerable companies who themselves are more interested in building volume than spending R&D on locking out high rolling winners on the fly. Makes you see those social media dimwits and wince.
Finally. Someone super legit, non flashy and just puts in the work. Thank you Spencer. A truly fascinating look into this world.
This guy is just as bad as the others. He sells his trash picks just like the other guys do. Idk why spencer chose to do a video on this guy trying to pretend hes legit.
@@troop5100 does he??? How does he sell over 200 picks a day? He said himself that's the only way to make money. Please link to his page.
@@laa0fa502 he's on instagram.
they have an excel tracking everithing so yeah they are not just for show they care to put data on a sheet
Now THIS is the type of shit we need to be seeing on the news. Great job Spencer, your videos have really been increasing in quality lately.
Guy is absolutely telling the truth. I bet the same way they do and I’m limited on just about every book I use
I’m really starting to appreciate your content. This was above and beyond hope people take your advice. I can see your only out to help people this was a really good job on this video.
Damn! This was honestly amazing to watch Spencer 😲 to see ACTUAL legit sports betters with an edge, seems like it's only a myth due to just how rare it actually is.
BTW, these past 6/7 weeks, every upload has been bigger and better with more effort and investment back into your content.
Don't know if the numbers are reflecting it (can't way for your next breakdown) but either way it 100% is being noticed and appreciated by the real ones who have been here from the start and not missed an upload 👌🏼
So impressed you put the money and time to bring us this video, mad respect my man!
Yeah it's a cool video but I bet this video just exposed him and he won't be as profitable
I wanted to give the exact same compliment, so I figured I just second you!
@@TzUuup You forgot the part where they change IP addresses and phones. Now if the sports better send people to rough them off then that's a different story.
@@TzUuup This isn't roulette or blackjack where you have to be in person showing your face.. That's how you get escorted off premises rather quickly. Sports betting is a whole different kettle of fish 👌🏼
@@hendrikstoter3532 Think I covered everything that could be said about Spencer and his content. You can take credit for the bottom line, OK? 😂
All jokes aside, it's soooo cool to see an ACTUAL genuine, honest guy succeeding on YT without even having to show a dead body or hire an IG model for his thumbnails 🤦🏼
I really appreciate how open and transparent he is with his monthly financial breakdowns, by far the video I look most forward to as month on month the income is just getting crazier and crazier and I feel genuinely happy and in a weird way 'proud' of how far he's come and how well he's doing.
I look at a lot of content and the views and just think 'WTF is my life.. These people do not deserve 1\10th of what they are getting'
With Spencer I'm always trying to work out his percentage growth for the next month and last 4/5 months have been getting pretty good at it. Can't wait for him to get another rental and finally get his god damn money pit which is his Tesla on Turo and follow that adventure.
I feel the same with 'Investment Joy' and his channel. Just genuine guys you can actually feel happy for when they are succeeding and wish them all the genuine best of luck
Interesting. Definitely crews out there like this. MOST would not want to talk to anyone. Keep it going boys!
This is all too rich and complex for my blood, but I love hearing about it and exposing fakes. Keep up the good work and fun videos!
Bro exactly 😑
Yeah I was lost during dudes explaining everything haha but what a BOSS
it's not that complicated once you know definitions and understand the terminology. this is assuming that you have uncommonly above-average knowledge of probability theory and statistics already...
What he does is called arbitrage. It's not a new system. Betting companies hate it and will limit/ban your account once they suspect you are arbitraging. That's why they are using different devices (IP's) to get around it. It is 100% legal just like counting numbers in Blackjack. Bookies just hate it cos it's technically a guaranteed profit.
Betting companies offer different odds. The profit is really small, like 1-2% per bet but it could be risky too especially if one Bookie accepts your bet and the other rejects it.
@@seuna.8438 Do you know which websites and casinos he uses?
Best video I've ever seen from you, one of the best videos I've seen on RUclips... Please make more.
Spencer. I’m don’t bet on sports but I just wanted to say this is one of the best videos you’ve put out. Love the deep dive!
I liked this positive inside look. It would be great to see an inside look at a hedge fund or trading company to illustrate the difference between fake online gurus vs professionals.
This is amazing!! There are ways to win when you find a small edge, bet big enough and make enough bets so the odds take over. Your videos just keep getting better and they were already so good.
i'm loving that you're also platforming people are legit! i think it 100% confirms to everyone watching that (not that we ever thought you were) you're not a "hater" and are also showing people that these things are possible but it takes EFFORT!
I love how Spencer is taking his efforts on the road. Next level brother!
Amazing how much work Spencer must have put into this video - can’t imagine the costs associated with flying out, hotels, meals, Ubers all to get a story for a RUclips video, I’m sure he makes it back 10x but it’s nice to see someone who actually works to make their videos and not just sitting in front a computer and chirping
This was honestly such an amazing video Spencer! Would love to see more of this style of video, along with your regular content. You are honestly a goldmine of content.
love too see the constant uploads, i hope nothing but the best and thanks for the amazing content
For the past months spencer has been the only person who I watch 9/10 videos made and I get entertained by all of them
This dude and his operation is absolutely genius. Hat's off to them 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great content. I really enjoyed seeing the other side of things. Scammers feed off the desire for “easy” money but there’s no such thing. These guys are working hard 👍🏽
Great video. I am up 300 dollars from sports betting. I pulled my money out since it’s almost impossible to win long term. Thanks for the enlightenment Spencer
Similar! I made a few thousand on memecoins. But pulled and then began watching CoffeeZilla’s bids and stuff and I stopped “investing” my friends that didnt lost almost every time
@IslandVibes they loose bets, but ensure they make money. It’s a business. If you aren’t seeking to venture…then don’t hesitate to hustle your $300 🤙🏼
I don't have capital Sir, I'm good in sport betting, may you help me sir
Dropping some more heat for us 🔥!! Thanks my guy!!
Thank you for showing us the real ppl who do this. I was wondering if you can also show us real real estate investors as well? Love you man thank you for doing this.
Working on it. Shift in 2022 is to do a few more positive videos to balance out the channel
Amazing content, these guys show you how to immerse one’s self into something and play to win. You can do anything and succeed if you just put the effort and commitment. I personally don’t gamble but their attitude and passion is infectious and shows from the video. Thanks!
Fantastic video Spencer! You went above and beyond with this! Kudos for taking the risk flying out there not knowing what you’d really uncover. I’m a little surprised they were so open and almost felt like a behind the scenes drug manufacturing business. Very compelling and eye-opening. Thank you.
Spencer,
This video was truly amazing. Watching some of fake guru videos really get repetitive, just banging it home that none of these people can be trusted. Then you drop this gem, just being able to see inside for the glimpse we got is more insightful than anything a fake guru has done in their lives.
Thank you for this one, blessings and guidance for the rest of your 2022!
Let them know a coder could easily automate the inactivity thing to avoid being logged out
And then get “banned” from the app quicker? Or do you mean have a hot dog hooked up to a rotating drill to click the screen?
@@dirtydan6098 Incorrect. They could also possibly use android emulators, makes it really easy to setup a new instance.
Probably doesn't want anyone knowing his techniques
@@patyfatycake they can see what device you're using and see its an emulator
@@geams You can use things to spoof the mac address. Not sure if they bother with root detection or to what level.
Spencer taking it to the next level with this one! Great job man. This is real investigative work.
This is the most transparent video on sports gambling and how casinos and online books limit “sharp” or wiseguy money. This is why a lot of these guys have tons runners to make their bets for them. Casinos and betting apps are only interested in whales, amateurs, and consistent losers and will limit or cutoff anyone who is consistently winning. You can tell this guy knows exactly what he is doing and isn’t loud like the Touts online.
Love when you finally place 1st & your winnings are shared with 1000 other people & you walk away with $24.57 instead of $5k. Good times!
Take your "skills" you learned 8n fantasy and get out of that shit and start betting prop bets 👌
Leave fantasy for the fantasy players.
Man, between this and the Micky video, it’s great to see fair time being given to people actually succeeding in the (on paper) ridiculous things they claim. Hard work and innovation never get the attention the frauds do, so this warms my cynical little heart to see.
That said, please keep clowning on the frauds, we all need a good laugh these days.
Still don’t believe Micky but love this video style nonetheless. This guy seems like the real deal
@Oguntuase Tolulope did you watch until the end he gave most of it back only ended up a couple thousand
Very, very cool Spencer. Always giving credit where it’s due and calling out BS as needed.
This is a whole new level of production. Great Job and keep making great content!
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you for showing the contrast between a professional seeking an edge and a shill trying to sell picks.
Awesome vid mate! And props to these guys and their operation. Great to see a real group who knows what to do
Thank you for making this video! Lots of people make it seems like everything is so easy on instagram but the reality is different
This was really interesting and well put together. Great job Spencer and we’ll done to the guys taking the casinos down.
This was a dope video. Crazy how much work a legit bettor puts in. Honestly never thought about it like this. Really cool perspective!
man im so proud of spencer hes come along way in his youtube career
I'm loving these videos because my curiosity is getting itched on what actual winners look like. It's a fun change of pace
Excellent vid. Nice to see there are real sports bettors with actual winning strategies. It's telling that they don't feel the need to be flashy.. often people with real money don't
Perfect timing, Spencer saves the day
This video was awesome to see. Love the behind the games look into sports betting. I just hope something gets done with all the used up phones, when the only problem with a phone is its banned from sports betting that's not a problem at all. Otherwise its a lot of e waste.
Really shows the difference, grit, hustle, etc needed to really be successful at a craft
That was the best video I have ever seen from you it was nearly impeccable! To have somebody with this deep knowledge of finances show the real deal and give some kind of look behind the scene is just great. The only thing I would have loved to see is their reaction to some fake guru sport bettors but maybe in part 2 one day. I hope you keep on doing these documentary style videos in the future they really suit your format in my opinion.
This is about how I expected it to be with the aspect of having to have a ton of phones, multiple accounts/ essentially multiple identities and I’m sure multiple bank accounts they can access. I’m sure they have to be running proxies/ VPN/ or at a minimum using Cell Data on each phone since their Home/ WiFi IP is likely flagged by all these books. They likely flag more than just Device ID/ UDiD.
There is a lot of Time/ Overhead associated with this that people don’t take into account either. The it is portrayed in the video honestly makes it seem easy but it is likely just a fraction of what they need to do to keep an account on an app for as long as possible before being limited.
If you try to game the system properly, they’ll do everything to stop you and you will have to resort to some sketchy things to be able to continue to do what you should be allowed to do.
Now this was awesome content! I really enjoyed this video. And while i really enjoy you exposing FAKE guru's, i would love to see more videos like this one of the hard work successful people put into their craft.
Finally a video that shows just enough to a real sharp. This guy was a wealth of knowledge. I liked watching him think really hard before he said anything. You could tell he wanted to prove he was real without giving away to much . That guy is a true sharp . I
am glad he kept the phones out of view.
outstanding and dave was a champ for allowing you in
Guys, really nice insights. Good work! As I have no access to us bookies, I'm wondering on what sports can u bet? Are u able to bet on European soccer games or soccer games in general?
Well done! You're really hitting your stride with the interview/documentary videos!
It would be great to infiltrate a whale or a fake guru...before you become too recognizable.
Spencer, this was an excellent video. Yes, more content like this where you go to show the actual people and their operation!
These guys are obviously really smart and can find inefficiencies in the market. I wonder how would they do if they apply their skills in finding inefficiencies on the stock market. You cannot get banned there for finding good deals.
Good question. My guess is the edge is much smaller in the stock market
@@SpencerCornelia maybe the crypto market has a bigger edge
@@SpencerCornelia I believe it's been mathematically proven that it's impossible to be profitable day trading etc. The market is too efficient supposedly.
So could potentially be another avenue you could explore in terms of fake gurus. I know there's a ton of guys selling expensive day trading courses on RUclips
@@Alex_3fl Bring in the "Everything is priced in" meme shit post on wall street bets...makes me laugh every time.
"Don't even ask the question. The answer is yes, it's priced in. Think Amazon will beat the next earnings? That's already been priced in. You work at the drive thru for Mickey D's and found out that the burgers are made of human meat? Priced in. You think insiders don't already know that? The market is an all powerful, all encompassing being that knows the very inner workings of your subconscious before you were even born. Your very existence was priced in decades ago when the market was valuing Standard Oil's expected future earnings based on population growth that would lead to your birth, what age you would get a car, how many times you would drive your car every week, how many times you take the bus/train, etc. Anything you can think of has already been priced in, even the things you aren't thinking of. You have no original thoughts. Your consciousness is just an illusion, a product of the omniscent market. Free will is a myth. The market sees all, knows all and will be there from the beginning of time until the end of the universe (the market has already priced in the heat death of the universe). So please, before you make a post on wsb asking whether AAPL has priced in earpods 11 sales or whatever, know that it has already been priced in and don't ask such a dumb fucking question again."
The odds in sports betting reflect probabilities, it’s much easier in sports betting to quantify edge even though it’s hard to find/data mine
This is legitimately the first guy I believe who talks about sports betting. I feel like this is me explaining online poker to my friends. I play over a million hands a year and only bet money where I have a small edge. It's not my feet kicked up on a table having a beer.
Damn, I wasn’t expecting this video to turn out the way it did. Good stuff. You legitimately looked in awe while talking to him. Lol.
Looks legit to me. The casino wants to limit you to $1 bets when you win then burner phones are free game
No way this guy is genius ,he paid someone to put a phone up to the radio on Craigslist to get a up on the betting this guy deserves all the money he has
That was only one edge he gave out. Cg doesn't exist anymore they were the first to offer in play in Vegas and they didn't know what they were doing😂
you cant precdit even if you do live edge teams make up 18 points and they are dogs@@brownhippy
Great video! Gambling gets a bad rep in public eyes a lot of the time it’s nice to have this to give people a better understanding and show what it really is.
this.
@@VladRadu-tq1pg ?
Great content! As a professional poker player and total square when it comes to betting on sports, which I enjoy doing, it's awesome seeing what really goes into a winning outfit.
Best and most honest video on sports betting I have seen nice one ....
This guy clearly knows what he’s talking about and can back it up with proof and theory, and not a single diamond chain or MCM bag in sight haha
Really great behind the scenes video, very interesting and great to see the team talk so openly. We have access to some very market efficient betting exchanges in the UK which act as a barometer for market price on a number of sports, would be interesting to see what happened if they allowed these types of markets / products in the US.
Another amazing video. Keep goin bro
Brilliant film, tank you Spencer. Great to see successful and legit ''hustlers''. Nice that he spend a year with his child and not so much at work, Nice to see no fake glamour and all this bs, just a hard work as it is. Thanks again 💕👍❤️
First vid where I actually like the guy. He doesn't care about being flashy and knows who he is and how to make a buck. Good vid thanks
He should probably consider looking into opening his own shop if he has a good long term edge. Frankly he might even be able to approach some of the groups that limit/ban him as partners because they know he has potentially relevant edge but easier said than done obviously 🤷♂
Anyone else wondering what these guys do with the cellphone that they don't use anymore?
Sell them? Can have a freaking used phone online store as a side business, report loses and get some taxes back.
I was thinking about that. I hope they're not just tossing them in the trash!
I was just thinking that too, hope we get an answer
Hey Spencer, I know you used to make models and data sheets when you sports bet back in the day. I'm curious to see your new results and how successful are with all of the tips and tricks you learned from these actual professionals. Look forward to hearing how it goes.
This was actually surprising to see how much information they gave you. Sick vid Spencer
Well it’s awesome to see someone here in Denver killing it! If they ever need a real estate agent I’d be more than happy to help them all find multiple places.
The man paid a stranger from Craigslist to go to a game and be on a phone call of the radio so they can hear the game before they seen it. Lmao
You’ve made me realize I have no business sports betting
The difference between the honest, intelligent professionals and the imbecile shyster scammers is literally night and day!
Whilst I have no interest whatsoever in gambling, its really good to see those that are masters of their art, and put in really hard work to make it happen.
I have the utmost respect for this group, and very well done on your achievements.
Another excellent video from an outstanding channel.
By far the best video you have made !! I enjoy watching the clowns , but videos explaining where the edge comes from and how to put in work and what it takes to create an edge is awesome !!
Great video! My wife and I used to do something similar when we lived in Las Vegas: there are some electronic poker games that are set to zero house edge, or even a slight player edge. And even if the house edge is very small, it can still be worth it to play for a little while and quit after a decent win. We were methodical about it, tracking our wins and losses, enjoying visiting new properties.
We used to spend some nice nights earning a little bit of cash while getting free drinks.
I remember taking sports economics in college. The professor brought a guy that helps create the odds for Vegas. He was writing out the formula on how they came up with the spreads for the giants and patriots super bowl game. At the end he told the class to bet on the giants. I put 100 on the game and won. I was actually really impress.
Stand up for something you consider relevant even if you may lose everything
My bro from distill bar Las Vegas! Keep doing your thing fam!
Over the past year, this has become my favorite RUclips channel. Keep up the good work.
I wonder if Spencer went to a dispensary for research purposes
There’s no need, here in Las Vegas literally we have the largest dispensary in the entire world. there are dispensaries on almost every other corner like Starbucks! LOL
@@milky216 right this guy living under a rock. That comment was relevant 10 years ago tho
@@milky216 I know what I used to live in Vegas and Planet 13 was my spot
Dude, they don't need to buy phones and do all of this manually, if they get a dev they can get something coded that will emulate all this. I could do it in like a week. Wish I had their contact info...
Ya you should be able to cycle MAC addresses on Android but you can't emulate the operating system as it's easily identifiable by the app. There could be other reasons for this though. The app could be using multiple data points and internal serial numbers / IEMI to identify the phone.
@@Zarrx There are ways to make sure it's not identifiable though. It's work, but it can definitely be done. Even without emulation, there are tons of options to cycle MAC addresses, and to automate a lot of the work they do. Can even go CNC if you want it to look extra authentic/human to the app. It's sad to see them waste all of this hardware and effort...
@@ArthurWolf wasting hardware? I'm sure they aren't just trashing the phones when they can no longer use them. Offer up, Craigslist are a thing
@@TzUuup Sure, but that's a lot of effort, and a lot of cost, still.
@@ArthurWolf he's got other guys with him that can handle that part come on now.