The MacMaster is WRONG about ELECTRIC CARS and I'll PROVE IT!
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I met MacMaster about 18 months ago when he asked me to make a vlog with him (I’m on my second Taycan). We discussed what we would do (a road trip from Holland to Yorkshire). I pulled out before we made it because his videos just became utter click bait nonsense, and he was out-and-out lying in them. I even have WhatsApp messages where he tells me to keep it a secret that he actually likes his Taycan. I’ve called him out on his RUclips channel but he mutes people in the comments. He’s even threatened to go to my employer! He’s an utter prat.
The guy is an absolute dick. "I was told it would hold it's value", he said about is Taycan. Told by who? HE made the decision to buy it and has no one to blame but himself. He claims it left him in mountains of debt which proves that a car like that is way out of his affordability. I've seen 2 videos of that twat. The first about people stealing EV charging cables by ripping them out of cars and then the one about the value hi lost on the Taycan. Just another load of clickbait nonsense. I cannot believe that prat has 170k plus followers!!! He's a clickbait bullshitter and out of his depth with a Taycan.
The fact is, the diesel did the trip in the shortest time and was much cheaper. In a diesel or petrol car, you stop when you want to and not because you have to.
As the video said, there was no way any EV could beat that diesel, if it was driven by someone determined not to stop and good at endurance driving. But in normal driving you take breaks, and these breaks are the times you charge. It works out fine. The EV will take you 200-300 miles (if you have a decent car, not a short-range track car, this was like expecting a thoroughbred sprinter to win an endurance ride) and by then you're more than ready for a break. If you like, the EV promotes road safety by enforcing the breaks we should all be taking to prevent driver fatigue.
Also bear in mind that the Taycan does the equivalent of about 20 mpg. An EV with normal fuel economy would have done that distance on about half the charge Lee needed. Also, the price of diesel remains more or less constant. There is no supply of diesel at 10% of the filling station prices you can tap into when you're not on the motorway. But EVs are normally charged at home, at less than 10p per unit. That's where the savings come. For the occasional road trip most people don't really care that they're paying about the same as they'd pay for petrol.
@@moragkerr9577 Do you believe that every home can have a charger fitted? Some people don't live in a house with a drive. Fact is, even if they both stopped for the same amount of time, the diesel was far cheaper. The diesel engine has been perfected over many years and takes about 5 minutes to fill the tank. Charging an EV in 5 minutes will never happen. As many people say, time is money.
@@rileybenstead3574 The fact that some people are not in a position to run an EV at the moment doesn't change the fact that for those who are, the cars are brilliant, and spectacularly cheap to run. Why this hate campaign aimed at people who already have EVs, as if it's our fault that some other people don't have driveways, so we shouldn't have an EV in sympathy or something?
Infrastructure is also getting better for those without drives. Just last week a friend in that position discovered four new AC chargers had been installed ten minutes walk from her house. Price £0.00 per unit. She's happy with the ten-minute walk, and is now looking at car brochures. Maybe in a couple of years they'll put chargers on all the lamp posts in her street. And lots of other people's streets.
But for those of us with driveways, we spend literally seconds fuelling our cars. Gone are the regular trips to fuel stations. It's bliss. Time is money. (Charging an EV in five minutes could well happen - the boffins say it will. But really, it's not needed. People charge when they leave their cars to do something more interesting than driving.)
I drove to Wales this summer from East Suffolk on holiday in my EV, went with extended Family so wife took her diesel too. Both there and back I got there first, I was able to charge whilst we stopped for food, wife had to stop an additional time to fill up with diesel.
Morags in the comments ..... 🥱
I think the macmaster proved his point many times over Andover Andover
He did - the EV crowd and just spitting venom as they cannot do anything else - why would Lee slag off EVs when he has committed over £120k of he didn’t need to - he obs love Porsche
@@msjcars2317 Pretty obvious why. Because all the suckers lap up his anti EV content. How else can he afford a 120k Porsche?
@@msjcars2317For clicks. I met Lee about 18 months ago when he asked me to make a vlog with him. I’m a fellow Taycan owner. However, I pulled out when he started to change the angle of his videos when he realised he got more traction from being negative. He started making stuff up and deliberately creating situations which were simply lies. It’s a bit sad really.
After driving hgv class 1 for 35 years (so I know my way around the country) I took early retirement 2 years ago and now work part-time for a main car dealer delivering new and almost new cars and vans. I can do the same journey with a petrol car then next week an electric car. When it's an electric car I have to go to work the day before to make sure it's plugged in charging, I then have to work out where to charge on the way to my delivery. As sometimes I have to catch the train back,when delivering the electric one I missed the last train back and had to stop overnight in a hotel, even though I left earlier than I did in the petrol one. The reason I was late was mainly due to the chargers I planned to stop at were not working or were already in use and i had to wait. This is quite a regular occurrence, it's so much easier in an ice vehicle, I can stop when and where I like, not when I have to. The last thing I want to do is spend time sat waiting about in a car. Local trips in electric vehicles is good but any distance work is rubbish, unless you've all day (or 2) to get to where you're going.
@@peter_peter_pumpkin_eater He's not trying to he is and has shown that it can be a lot easier than Lee portrayed his journey and renting a car suitable for the journey is quite alright in my mind as Lee had a suitable car for his journey.
The people you deliver cars for are disorganised if they can't have the car ready for you to get in and go. I used to be a car transporter driver so I know these things.
Don't forget to fairly document all your charge costs against mileage.
Lee's car depreciated more during the trip than Geoff spent on the whole thing, including the BMW!
Who cares? Not Lee. He leases that car, and his monthly payments will be the same irrespective of the value of the car. At the end of the lease he can just hand it back for the lease company to worry about.
He likes it so much though that I imagine he'll be looking for another electric sports car to succeed it. He's certainly dropped enough hints that he's not going back to a petrol car.
@@moragkerr9577 Any diesel could do the trip and win. EV's are not selling and I wonder why.........
@@johnclarke2997 Of course any diesel could do the trip and win. Nobody is even disputing that. In a race, a diesel driver who is prepared to do endurance driving and forego breaks is a shoo-in. In real life, people take breaks when they drive. That is when they charge their car.
EVs are not selling as fast as they might because new ones are expensive compared to similar ICE models, and there aren't many good used EVs on the market yet. The capital cost is the main issue, followed by a severe shortage of charging opportunities for people with no access to home or work charging.
They are absolutely great cars to drive and own, and so economical to run. But there are barriers, still. In countries where these barriers no longer exist they are selling like hot cakes.
A chimp could do it faster than the spaz master. He intentionally makes it look bad to push his anti EV nonsense. Even though he won't return it and end the lease.
@@moragkerr9577 No such thing as a good used or new EV. What countries are they selling like hot cakes?
I'm a big supporter of the Stop Burning Stuff Campaign. Stop burning cargo ships. Stop burning multistory car parks. Stop burning homes down. It's all important stuff.
Yes I do wish those ICE vehicles would stop catching fire, it’s terrible.
Imagine owning an electric vehicle that could potentially wipe out a multistorey car park, and expecting affordable insurance@@ModernHeroes
Much more chance of an ICE vehicle wiping out a multi storey car park as has happened in the past yet insurance remains affordable for those. Stop liking your own comments you tragic bastard 😂
@@ModernHeroes Strange how ICE vehicles didn't seem to destroy car parks and ships, until they started sharing space with EVs.
Sofas don't start fires, yet were the cause of many house fire deaths until new regulation in the 80s.
Same principle applies with EVs, when they get warm.
Whether they started the fires on that ship or the Luton car park was an irrelevant distraction from the elephant in the room, that those fires would have been controlled and extinguished fast, without the presence of Lithium batteries.
@@matthewjenkins1161 Of course they did. They didn't make the news until people started trying to claim it was EVs burning things down.
Interesting but I will stick with my turbo diesel for the foreseeable future.
Each to his own. I suspect you don't know what you're missing, but if you drive many hundreds of miles frequently then you're probably right.
@@moragkerr9577 My guess is that ev's have peaked and will fade away like most fads do.
Good idea. There is a reason why EV's are not selling and it is not down to a videos on RUclips.
@@kenoverton7918 Ok, let's assume they "fade away". Then oil dries up in 25 years. What's the plan then? One thing guaranteed *not* to fade away are ULEZ emissions charges. These will be all over the place in 5+ years, along with the latest one - emissions based parking charges.
@@johnclarke2997 Insurance price hikes is one of the reasons, and vehicle tax to be.
You should prove it by bringing your family along, that's what they are complaining about too. No point if you alone can wait for it to charge for a long time alone, but you wouldn't want the same to happen to your family traveling the same way experiencing that
Very true. I would imagine dependent on family size that the stops for recharging will become expensive. Add 2 kids plus a partner and you will have to pay for the snacks that you hope will keep them happy while the car is charging assuming you get an open charger when you need one.
So if you are one of the battery operated carts cult it’s seems there is a big need to explain your decision to validate your purchase.
Why this burning desire to validate your position? Oops sorry burning is a bad word in EV cult circles.
Anyway your choice to live in this cult mentality and hope you can afford the consequences of higher insurance payments.
Massive depreciation and high tire prices.
Your choice just don’t push this crap on everyone it’s not for those who need to plan on where they need to schedule stops as they run out of charge unlike an ICE cars ability to stop when desired.
ICE cars can fill a tank in minimal time whereas what seems to be the recommended practice for battery carts is to charge to 80 % due to a couple of factors, extended time to get to 100% plus not good to have a battery constantly being charged to this level therefore you will not achieve the range as advertised when you were sold on your cart.
BTW the car you are sitting in is a? The headliner sure looks great with those lines or wrinkles on it.
The point is it does not take a long time to charge. My Kia Ev6 just like MacMasters Porche uses the 800v charging infrastructure which means he could have been on his way in 15 mins. He claimed to have planned the journey if he did it was because he wanted to plan to use the worst chargers. When he was on the very fast chargers he charged to 100% This meant he could take even longer to charge. If you don`t own an EV or you don't understand how they work it is easy to be fooled
@@lewisdillon8524 What is the point of having to plan around a stop that is dictated by your car. Why do they advise to charge only to 80%, because going to 100% is very time consuming and not good for battery life.
The Mac not only in this particular trip in the UK north to south has shown many instances of charger available on screen only to arrive with many not functioning or there is a waiting line, therefore I can see why he is willing to get a charge when he could as there are not that many available to him.
Planning to use the worst chargers I cannot answer to but he has some Porsche provided card he seems to use. Having to use so many apps to get the chargers to work is a painful exercise unless it seems your tied to a tesla. But as always as a battery cart owner I’m not surprised by your answers thank you.
@@TheTruth-dy8ze Why is the stop dictated by my car. On a recent trip from Brighton to brigg, The car was able to do the journey without stopping However I was not. So a pit stop at Watford Gap and The car was charged before I had time to finish my coffee. There is a misconception about charging to 80% which is not true let me explain.
All cars have a charging curve which is dictated by the BMS. As you approach the so called 80% mark the charge speed drops off. so in my case when I have reached 87% the charge slows down. when it is 90% the charge is so slow it is no longer worth staying on charge.
The Porsche Charging card is run by Ionity which have 350kw chargers The Mac`s car like mine uses the 800v charging infrastructure and like mine uses the Ionity charging network at discounted prices about .35p per kw hour. All chargers have contactless payment with no need for an App which is mandated in law Grid serve for example there is no App. My answer is only based on fact just like the video by rsymons who did the same journey in a Tycan in record time.
Ev`s are not for everyone I accept that. but I think treating the viewers as gullible is wrong
Yes ICE or EV we all like to stop for breaks, maybe a smoke, maybe just stretch the legs .... But, in an ICE I can stop anywhere of my choosing, a layby with a scenic view, or just pop in a newsagents, but none of these places I want have EV chargers....
Lee and Jeoff nailed it. Who, in their right mind would want to Fanny about charging, I can fill my van in 10 mins and drive 500 miles no problem even with my heaters on.😀
If you never do anything spontaneous, get an EV. If your journeys are; Work - Home - Charge overnight, repeat, repeat, repeat. Home - Mum's house - Charge over dinner, see you next week, etc etc. Fine, get an EV.
If you want to drive a distance without worrying if there will be anywhere available to charge your car on the drive, at your destination, wherever you go on a whim, don't get an EV. And when I drive somewhere (I've just driven to Greece from England so I've a fair idea of what I'm talking about) I want to get there quickly ,not break the journey every time I replenish the tank by having a sit down, a coffee and maybe a sandwich or some cake. Five minutes to walk off the sitting, fill up with diesel, then hit the road again. No, I'm not saying I would want to drive 800 miles in one sitting, but 800 miles without worrying where I'm filling up, if there will be a spare machine to fill the car, will it be compatible, will it have been vandalized for the copper cable, etc etc, and then filling up anywhere that sells fuel, in a few minutes, has to be better. The first thing you admitted is the diesel would obviously win, negating the rest of your video.
Don't park an ev within 15.. Of the house due to fire risk amd don't charge over night. You could not make this up
Lets talk EV battery warranties, which generally dont get honoured unless your full charge range drops below 70% of when new.
So if your 200 mile range car drops to 141 miles of range you still dont qualify for a warranty replacement.
Not for me thanks, 200 is already only barely enough
If your 8 year old petrol only does 40mpg instead of the advertised 55mpg around town in the middle of winter does the warranty cover the reduced efficiency?
@@ItsAllJustBollox@ItsAllJustBollox and does the mpg of my car always go back up in summer, yes.
It gave me 55mpg at 70mph in summer 8 years ago, and does that today still.
Not so with an EV, and like I said, you won't qualify for a new battery until the range drops over 30% below when it was brand new
@@ItsAllJustBollox 'IF' ?
But it just doesn't happen :)
@@chrisbarron5861 it does you just dont keep accurate records of it.
@@ItsAllJustBollox my record keeping is accurate enough to satisfy scrutineering by the tax authority.
You need to be doing it in your own car as he did
Why? If he made an arse of it in a Porsche what difference does it make what car I did it in?!
I would also take a look at how much these cars loose as his has plus do you really want to spend half your life waiting for them to charge plus getting wet in the process when you can fill up and go in five mins think about it none of that makes sence
@@ModernHeroes why? Because the average family has to use the car that they have and not go through the expense of hiring another car just because the one they have is inadequate. You are doing it because you know it is going to be excruciatingly painful doing it in your Zoe with such shite range yet years ago we drove all around the country in a petrol Nissan Micra! Just got it in a went no worrying and no planning about where we were going to stop, stop when we had to for few minutes and carry on. Face it EVs are no good for anything other than short city runs if you can charge from home, but in which case it becomes a very expensive toy!
If you consider the extra costs and pollution associated with making EVs, as well as the time it takes to "fill them up", then bio fuels should be considered as a major part of a green car strategy. In Brazil they've been running most of their cars on ethanol for decades, and hydrogen which can be produced by the electrolysis of water using renewable sources of electricity is probably another viable alternative. I am not anti EVs but I don't think thy should be made out to be the only solution as they are clearly not suitable for everybody.
You seem to be proving everything Lee said is true ..
Apart from all of the bits that are clearly bollocks? Sure.
@@peter_peter_pumpkin_eater why do I need to use a supermini to prove its not as hard as was shown in a £120k Porsche?
@@ModernHeroes why did you hire a higher spec vehicle to also try and disprove this... why didnt you hire a like for like car say ....a £120k Porsche
I think Lee's main point was that you generally need to plan an EV journey a lot more than in an ICE car, and I can say from personal experience leaving the battery to the last few percent on a motorway and getting to a broken charger can be a bit stressful (especially when customer service wont even answer - thanks GridServe).
That being said I'm thinking of doing John O' Groats to Lands end next near in my MG ZS EV!
Good luck on your road trip!
I think though everyone accepts that chargers need improving , and it is not as easy driving an EV on long journey's as it is an ICE car. But he goes out of his way to paint a false image of driving an EV and for me that doesn't make him a nice guy. But someone on the make....
@@rico4229 I live in The Netherlands and do a few road trips to Germany every year... I never plan ahead, the car or ABRP app just tells me where to stop to charge and how much... My experience with Ionity, Alego, Fastned, Tesla and MANY others (EnBw) is they are all very good and reliable... and with all these networks charging is getting close to be as abundant as gas stations along the Autobahn. I do not see much difference anymore between my previous gas car and the current EV on road trips, it takes just as long as with my previous gas car as I would stop anyways to have a coffebreak and a lunch break.
Maybe it is still a bit dodgy in the UK, but I am sure they are working on making it a lot better.
He said he planned, but the only planning that was in evidence was a plan to find the slowest chargers, the busiest chargers, and the broken chargers. Also to charge in entirely the wrong places and at the wrong times so it took as long as possible. He faffed around as if he had no idea what he was doing or where he was going, but his actual choices were so bad they could only have been deliberate.
On that first leg, charging at Aviemore first was a no-brainer, but he drove past the chargers as if they weren't there (open Tesla superchargers). He chose a slow village-green chargepoint ten miles further on. Then he stopped at Perth, which left too long a leg to Killington Lake, so that he had to waste time charging to 100% there.
First stop Aviemore, Tesla Supercharger, go to 80%. Second stop Hamilton Fastned, go to less than 80%. Fast charging, timed right to minimise delay. Simples. And a good chance of not having to wait.
Bear in mind his car has a satnav that shows his current range superimposed on a map of Britain, with the best chargepoints marked. He could simply have gone where the car told him to go and not thought about it any more than that, and he'd have done better.
@@moragkerr9577 But that's exactly what he was trying to demonstrate! If you have an ICE car, there is no wrong time or place to "charge". I've not seen the whole video, but just the fact the he encountered broken chargers shows how rubbish they really are in the UK. A lot of motorway services I stop at only have 2 or 3 CCS chargers, there's one I know of and only has 1 CCS! It's pathetic!
Also not every EV has charger locations built in, mine certainly doesn't. Heck, my car still has the option for changing fuel consumption units despite it being an EV 🤣
@@paulsdashcam544 Of course you plan when you have an ICE car. You plan to stop when you're low enough to make it worth your while stopping, but before you're in any danger of running out. And sometimes that goes wrong too. You don't drive just 60 miles from full, stop for a toilet break (does Lee have a prostate problem or something?), and decide just to top up while you're there. You don't head for a destination that's beyond your current range and say you'll chance it. Lee did both of these things.
There is no evidence that he encountered any broken chargers, if you watch the whole video. He made a big performance of not getting one or two to work and announced they were faulty, but they didn't look faulty to me. Broken chargers are a lot less common than Lee would like you to believe. Also, they usually show as broken in ZapMap, so you don't go there. Unless of course you want to play the martyr in front of a broken charger.
You are quite right that the upgrading of the motorway service stations has been lamentably slow, and this is the fault of the government. It allocated a £2 billion fund to do this three years ago but still hasn't spent a penny of it. But note that Lee is not running a campaign on behalf of EV drivers to get this fixed and bring our infrastructure up to Norwegian standards. He's using this one issue, which doesn't impact on the lives of most EV drivers often if at all, to insist that the CARS THEMSELVES are shit. He doesn't want the infrastructure fixed, he wants EVs banned. or so he says.
My point about Lee's car having all the bells and whistles is that he has no excuse at all for the performance he turned in. His car was showing him his range superimposed on the satnav map all the way, and the locations of the best chargers. He could just have let the car do it all and he'd have been fine. Instead he pretended he was clueless and flying blind.
But everybody has ABRP and ZapMap. I went from Scotland to Brighton and back, without even a satnav, just noting 2 or 3 likely-looking chargers at the 25%, 50% and 75% points on my journey, and going there. I never even had to leave a charger and go for another. Straight on every time, except for a ten minute wait at Ionity Stafford.
There is every reason to get angry about the infrastructure on the motorways and trunk roads, but the object of the anger should not be the cars themselves, which are great, but the government.
This is a Tesla model Y battery. It takes up all of the space under the passenger compartment of the car.
To manufacture it you need:
--12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be
extracted from sea water)
-- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made
as a byproduct of the processing of copper
and nickel ores. It is the most difficult material
to obtain for a battery and the most
expensive.)
-- 3 tons nickel ore
-- 12 tons of copper ore
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 26.5 pounds of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 48.5 pounds of manganese
-- 15 pounds of cobalt
To manufacture the battery also requires:
-- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
-- 112 pounds of graphite
The Caterpillar 994A is used for the earthmoving to obtain the essential minerals. It consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.
Finally you get a “zero emissions” car.
Presently, the bulk of the necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor for getting the minerals in Africa is done by children! If we buy electric cars, it's China who profits most!
BTW, this 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries is:
Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990)
Model Y -- $5,000-$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740)
Model S -- $13,000-$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990)
Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)
It takes SEVEN years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the batteries is 10 years (average). Only in the last three years do you begin to reduce your carbon footprint. Then the batteries have to be replaced and you lose all the gains you made in those three years.
Oh dear, blindly copying and pasting things you see on social media isn’t a good idea.
Have a good EV time when the freeze and snow hit😊
Why? I've used mine over 3 Winters now. What problems do you think there will be?
One of the perks of an EV is being able to preheat or via app. No more scrapping ice off windows or getting into a freezing car.
It was pretty cold during the second half of my journey - no snow but -3c/frosty, made pretty much no difference to how smoothly the journey went 🤷♂️
@@frankelf3151 You do know ICE cars can do that too right?
Wow this video did not age well. I think he proved exactly why ICE is better and the EV left at home on charge, 😂 To be fair one day that may change but not today.
So you are saying you have to be a font of knowledge about every EV charging location in the UK. I regularly drive from SW Wales to Aberdeen and have to do it in ONE day, even with a ICE car and filling up once on route it often takes 10 hours, if I had to do this in an EV having to stop at least twice during the journey how long would it take me? I also live in an apartment so how would I charge an EV if I bought one? How would the EV be if it was left standing not charging for 6 weeks, would the battery die?
No, I’m not saying that at all - it’s quick and easy to find where to charge using an app like ABRP and anyone willingly ignoring that is setting themselves up to fail. Don’t care about the rest of your whataboutery tbh - if it’s not for you right now then fine.
YOu can use the app but does the app tell you if the chargers are going to be busy when you arrive in a couple of hours, I think not. Your " I dont care about" the rest of my comments only proves you have been brainwashed into EVs and can see no wrong in them. Think why are many insurance companies now refusing to insure not only EVs but hybrids as well.
Let us consider the evironmental impact of building EVs, you will argue this is offset after around 70,000 miles, but with so many EVs being written off after the smallest of bumps because no garage wants to touch them, means many will not see 70,000 mile and therefore do far more damage to the environment than any ICE car. I have worked in the offshore renewable energy sector and it is only there because of government funding, without massive government funding renewable energy is not viable.
If every one in the UK switched to EVs tomorrow the network would collapse.
Any way good luck with your trip, I hope all goes well for you.
I disconnect the battery on my car when I go away which mean all I have to do is connect 2 wire and i can drive away. the fuel I have paid for in my tank is still good and has not dissapeared.@@retiredbore378
Battery would not die. Better still, there'll be little loss. My BMW was idle for 9 weeks and no issues.
@@charlessetterfield6776 I think you are brainwashed by Mainstream media outlets like the daily mail or the SUN... isn't it?
There are public chargers at parking lots and parking garages in appartment buildings, maybe not many right now, but this will change, and this can change very rapidly, I have seen it changing where I live. In just a couple years from zero public chargers to hundreds of them scattered throughout the city.
I did not have any problems finding insurance for my EV, just as expensive as with my old gas car. So I do not know where you got that nonsense from that EV's cannot be insured. Many studies have now shown that EV's are 20 times less likely to burst into flames than gas cars.. and this will only get better because we transition to much less flamable chemistries the coming years. EV's tend to last much longer than gas cars, like most early Tesla Model S' with old tech batteries, still driving around with hundreds of thousands of miles on them.... relatively few have been scrapped.. same for these cute little Nissan Leafs, almost all of them still do fine.. not much range, but for around town its a perfect car. Schiphol Taxi sold their first batch of Tesla Model S taxis back in 2019 or so, all had more than 80% of the original range and some had 450.000Km on them, with the original battery. Warranty on EV's battery+drive train is in general 150.000 to 200.000 miles or 8 to 10 years, whichever comes first.... Did you ever see a gas car with a warranty of 200.000 miles on the engine!? It takes me 10 years to get to 150.000 miles.. Man you are so terribly wrong about the durability, you really have not done your homework on this (= using google a bit more)
The CO2 footprint is offset within 10.000 miles for my car, that 70K has been debunked so many times... its only true if the car is produced with 100% fossil fuel generated energy, and using old tech batteries that consumed gobbles of energy to be produced. Most car companies use renewable energy for their production facilities these days, the roofs of the factories are covered with tens of thousands of solar panels, and they buy green energy from the energy companies as much as possible (because that is CHEAPER). new battery chemistries and production methods also reduce the CO2 footprint significantly.
The offshore windfarms built in the Northsea right now off the coast of the Netherlands are built WITHOUT subsidies, however Tennet is responsible for building the infrastructure between the farms and the main land, which is a state owned company.. But that is their duty, we would expect that anyways and is perfectly normal onshore as well, so that is not a subsidy. But the energy companies were screaming for the permits to start building, because it makes them money! and have no problems to shut down gas and coal power plants, because these COST them money. Right now it is more expensive to keep a coal or gas power plant running than building NEW wind and solar capacity plus batteries. The increased gas prices only have made this difference even bigger, so it gets even more profitable to build wind and solar farms right now.
Of course the grid will be adjusted and beefed up, and more renewable capacity will be added... but EV's will be part of the solution of this peak capacity problem as EV's have all a huge battery in them when coupled with smart chargers can be used as a buffer in peak times and send a little of their capacity back into the grid when needed. This is already done with home batteries in virtual power plants, but cars will also be part of these VPP's.. Btw the most energy will be used for air conditioning and heating, as we want to get rid of burning gas (from Russia) .. EV's are the least of our energy problems... EV's are charged mostly during nightime, when there is an abundance of cheap (wind) energy anyways.
And this will of course not happen overnight, we will grow into this situation gradually. Energy companies are already planning ahead and building new capacity as quickly as possible throughout Europe... Like this HVDC cable between Morocco and the UK, transporting many GWH of solar energy from Morocco to the UK.. construction already started.. or this mega wind farm on Doggersbank, this is an international effort...
We should stop looking at it as a problem, this are huge opportunities to cut down our dependance on dodgy regimes sitting on fossil fuel reserves. Abundant cheap clean energy, it is possible and it will happen, just look at what is planned and what is already being built, it will only accelerate the coming years because gas and oil will get really expensive when the demand goes down, while solar and wind get even cheaper than it already is today.. Solar has dropped 50% in price this year, panels got cheaper while capacity per square meter has increased.. My 2014 solar panels are 250Wp, same size panels now are 350 to 400Wp and 60-70% cheaper! Batteries will get about 80% cheaper by 2030, and they already got 80% cheaper than in 2014... We WILL transition to EV's and 100% renewable energy, because of economic reasons, not because of tree hugging reasons.
So you admit the EV is nowhere near as good as the old diesel over a long distance. Thanks for confirming that.
Good luck on the trip! It's a good comparison to not doing it in a Tesla given they are more advanced on the charging infrastructure side. Hopefully the weather is a bit nicer for your trip as well 😉
It´s still brave to do it in anything else then a Tesla. It is also way more expensive, the Tesla no trouble super charger network is usually not only the fastest, but also the cheapest way to top up. Look at EV against EV, like the new MG4 long range (cheaper then the Model 3 on paper) against a Model 3. Just the charging cost for the MG was double (50 pounds) and hours longer on a rather short 600mi trip (return), something way more common then cross country.
His first stop should have been at the Tesla supercharger at Aviemore. He drove right past it and charged on a 50 Kw village green charger that took 35 minutes to give him about 50 miles.
With so many superchargers now open to non-Teslas, the gap is closing.
Never heard of these guys, but amused at RUclipsrs handbags at dawn 😂
I did Bedford to Montrose (Angus Scotland) and back a few weeks ago and it was all smooth and straightforward if rather expensive - although my ICE car is an AMG, so no more expensive than that would have been on premium!
Used ZapMap with the minimum-number-of-chargers and minimum-charging-speed filters - not complex, but still requires a bit more thought than doing it in an ICE.
Hope you trip goes well
Did you take a direct route on your trip using Zapmap or does it take you off your route to go to chargers in nearby towns?
@@wastefulungratfuls - direct route, but I opted to select the chargers - so Stafford Ionity, Carlisle Ionity and Perth Ionity
All well and good but evs are more for retirees ,who have the time to charge and no pressing engagements.nothing wrong with petrol or diesel engines?happy days👍
As long as you can't go into a tank and fill a liquid on an power element, as I think Toyota is trying to find out, an EV is to my opinion a "Dead Duck"! And if stuck somewhere, without power, you can't fill from a tank, which you may have brought (So you need to add the price for an Emergency Service to be able to pick you up, at some time!). As every present, some kind of fuel car can! My range in a small luxury Diesel, with a Diesel Heater in advance for no Cold Starts and Ice Free windows before the start, during winter, is optimally 1300 km and it takes 5 minutes, max to fill my tank for 1300 km again, at any tank to find and I have hardly never met one which is closed, non functioning or occupied by other cars for more than 5 minutes!
I don't care about using my air condition on top for comfort during summer or winter, or wipers during rain, because of a loss of range! I don't need to bring an extra, expensive "phone" to be able to Charge or find a tank (And I get a receipt when finished, for what I have got or paid!) . In fact I don't even own a phone! I'm not on Instagram or Facebook and don't care!
And I have all the filters needed for as little pollution as possible. Besides, where does all this Electricity come from? Atomic Power, without that much Dangerous Waste, to be taken care of for the next 10.000 years, when it's still highly dangerous!
Finn. Denmark
Why would you run out? Do people still run out of petrol and diesel? Oops yes they do and yet it's so easy to find and fill from.
@@djtaylorutube It is definitely much more easy to find an ordinary tank, and in my youth in the seventies I drove to the North Cape from Denmark, with a friend, through Sweden, in a not very economical BMW 2002, And they had some times far between open tanks up north in Norway, so we saw to not to come too low on a tank, before filling it again. And in a "Terrain Car", as I have also seen as EV, I would certainly like to be able to bring some extra fuel, if stuck somewhere in an open area. But I admit it is hard to find areas at lest without a tank.
Round my present home, Copenhagen, it is easy to find chargers but going to Jutland, you will have to search much more for chargers in open areas with a minor population! Finn
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 "population", there you have it, i'd make friends with people and use their house electric ;)
I don't doubt what you say, there will always be sparse areas but we're also at the beginning of the infrastructure, it ain't done yet! ICE has 100 years of fuelling infrastructure in place.
@@djtaylorutube I have run out of fuel on a Motorway during the evening. I expected to be able to reach a tank some km further on, and had to find a known tank to the side (just before closing time!), buying an extra 5 liter container to hold it! The car was also a Diesel but luckily managed to - start anyway, without having to to pump the fuel system!
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 yeah at the weekend there was someone on the side of the autoroute in Belgium filling up from a can. The last time I did that was several decades ago, doesn't take much learn that it's annoying and avoidable for any type of vehicle.
I am not against EVs. Small ones with a top speed of about 30 miles an hour and a range of 40 miles to go shopping in are a really good idea with a petrol car for long journeys. I like the little AMI and nearly bought one but a few months ago the insurance was £300 now it is £640 because of all the trouble when they go on fire. I have decided not to buy.
Insurance premiums for Ami are absolutely nothing to do with “all the trouble when they go on fire” 🤦♂️
@@ModernHeroes The fire problem is exactly why the insurance for EVs is going up
Think you're already trying to paper over some of the EV disadvantages that Lee points out by hiring a Polestar 2 with a longer range than the Zoe. I would have loved to see how the Zoe would have faired from John O'Groats to Lands end against a diesel or petrol Renault Clio.......I alway remember my sister-in-law going from Teesside to Newquay in the 80's in a 950 Ford Fiesta Pop without issue, so why couldn't you use the Zoe?
Mac is very good and bringing an audience along and he as realised that knocking EVs is good business :)
Good luck, it will be interesting to see what your journey is like
Absolutely, it's a act he's perfected well, and he knows his audience and feeds them exactly what they expect to hear....
Audience or not, it's the truth!
And let's not even get started on depreciation 😂😂
@pashwesty3313 well you obviously speak from experience, I have had many types cars and very happy with my EV, it ain't the truth for me
have egolf and just ordered 2023 diesel passat and it drives amazing.Ev is great for city travel but the moment you need to do more km its shit specially in winter my range went from 250 to 150 in -15
Fair play to you sir but there is no comparison if your not going in the holidays when everyone is on the road but still interesting all the same. Good luck safe journey 👍🏻
Also perhaps there is a famous Norwegian/German/Thai who does 1000km challenges! 🤦 “oh the agony” 😀
Hi. I've worked in the green energy business as a director. EV like wind and solar are around 30-50 years away from being effective. Simply put. The battery required for opperation is as yet not good enough to be commercial. Governments, however, didn't want to wait, so they ploughed ahead anyway.
Stellantis recalls more than 32,000 hybrid Jeep Wrangler SUVs because of potential fire risk
So the potential fire risk of ICE cars doesn't bother you at all then? Around 300 petrol and diesel cars catch fire in Britain every day. Around 190'000 ICE cars were recorded as having caught fire in the US during 2022 (NTSB statistics). As a contrast, less than 100 EV fires have been recorded in Britain since electric cars went on sale.... So, 100 EV fires in 10 years, against 100'000 ICE car fires in the last 10 years. Which would you say is the riskier one to travel in?
@@Brian-om2hh buy the ev. i dot care. stop forcing it on others you little communist fascist and wef lapdog. now go suck scwab dongle.
Yes, because of a potential fire risk originating in the hybrid part, the petrol engine. it´s getting too hot.
@@chrisspain All you proved is your a gullible lapdog for wef controlled MSM. INDIA/AUSTRALIA/CHINA BOOSTING COAL PRODUCTION BY 400% TO 800% Your EV is a FART in the wind.
BMW recalled thousands of their diesel cars because of a fire risk. Around 300 petrol and diesel cars catch fire in Britain each day. That's around 10'000 per year....
If MacMaster was alone in his criticism, I'd agree with you but there are too many articles on the woeful state of the charging network, their poor state of repair, and design and the huge disparity in charge prices. At the moment, EV's are bought by people who want them and consequently they work around the shortcomings. When we all have no choice but to buy EV's, the infrastructure (and the cars themselves) need to be a damn sight better than they are now. Imagine a Bank holiday weekend when 100's of caravans are being towed by EV's on the motorway. With virtually every charger being end-on rather than drive-through, what's going to happen. We're pushing through a massive change in everyone's lives before the technology is sufficiently mature, the manufacturing capability is sufficiently resolved, the infrastructure is sufficiently provisioned and researched, and the country is sufficiently prepared. Ultimately, EV's won't make a single jot of difference to the climate catastrophe unless we tackle the root cause of the climate catastrophe which is global over-population.
Ah, a Daily Mail reader.
If you live in your own little echo chamber you will always be proven right...
@@michaelgoode9555 What a smug, arrogant person you are! By the way. I don't read the Daily Mail.
Norway now has above 60% new cars every month which are EVs. Can be done. Also happening in Sweden.
@@bshah4831 Probably because Norway is incredibly wealthy and also the fact that EV's are exempt from the 25% VAT.
The over population is worked on, population would actually decline in western Europe, including the UK, if we did not have this influx of refugees and immigrants. In Japan they have an concerning aging population. In Russia, also declining population, in China also declining population as result of a decades long one kid policy, but right now having a kid in China is very expensive and economically not viable for young couples.. That is one.
EV's will make a huge difference, because first of all, EV's are 5x more efficient with the energy it carries in the battery, and more and more of the energy comes from renewable sources, and yes also the manufacturing of EV's uses more and more renewable energy... It will stop local airpolution, which will increase our health and save us BILLIONS in healthcare costs and improve our productivity because we do not call in sick so often.
If we ever get to 100% EV's it will REDUCE mining, because batteries need to be produced only once.. oil you need to get out of the ground every day, to keep your car going, wind and sun are readily available and are easily converted into electricity to charge your EV, with just a FRACTION of the mining needed to extract oil and gas! Also when we drive EV's for many decades at some point, there is hardly any new mining needed because we get the materials from recycled batteries.... Don't say this will never happen.. because its IS already happening.. about 2-3% of the materials in currently produced 2170 cells in Nevada already come from recycled materials, Redwood Materials is supplying Panasonic in Nevada with recycled battery materials... and this will grow the coming years to larger percentages.
Almost 20% of all cars sold in the UK are fully electric, so this means 20% of the people already came to the conclusion 'they want them' and may have come to the conclusion the 'shortcomings' are not so bad after all... Of course the charging infra structure will grow with the rising adoption of EV's, of course that will get better...
I live in The Netherlands, and here it is already no problem at all... Fastned is everywhere as well as Tesla super chargers, residential neighborhoods are scattered with destination chargers, I have one just at the parking lot near my house I use about 2 times per week... In my neighborhood nobody has to walk more than 150 yards to find an AC 22Kw or 34Kw charger..
THIS MONTH At the big parking lot at the shopping center they have installed a couple fast chargers, at the BP gas station they have installed 2 fast chargers as well, In my neighborhood I have seen 3 or 4 more destination chargers installed, this all happened this month alone... Also this month, near my work I have seen a fast charging station installed opposite the Tesla supercharger with I think 10 stalls. Also this month AT my workplace 6 destination chargers installed at the parking lot.
So that are in one month maybe 20 or so new plugs, that I have personally seen being installed!.. So imagine what happens in the rest of the country in areas I will never see! The charging infra is expanding very, very rapidly at the moment, no doubt in my mind the same is happening in the UK!
It’s almost as though he is disingenuous and is committed to getting views by rage clicks
It's his income, so yes, he is committed to it....
@@Brian-om2hhno it's not his only income, he has his own graphic design company.
@@pparker2861 He's not spending much time on it then, is he?
Does the route planner add minutes or hours to the route .. instead of a direct route
Good for you Gary, hope it's going well. I don't do TwiXtter so I'll wait for the full video to come out. 👍👏
We have just done manchester up to john o groats and done nc500 , 1200 miles round trip . We stopped 6 times to charge and break absolutely no issues or waiting at charges. The car plans the charging stops for you by the way i was in mach e awd long range.
Good points well made. I look forward to the results. Safe travels.
I hope he gets the new Rear wheel drive Polestar 2 but rentals may not have the new one yet I guess
Surely a Porsche Taycan, which is a GT, should be able to do more than 220 miles on a charge.
Not everything is as it seems, your comment! The same way your own video may or may not be all that it seems. Who's to say that you won't have any issues finding an available charger either because they are in fact free or you'll only film when they are free? Off course, the opposite could be said about macmasters' own video. Also, he's never said to his viewers not to buy an electric. I'm a new driver to EV and, when many people place too much emphasis on range, I got myself a Mazda MX-30. When it absolutely annoys me to high heavens when people say its' range is rubbish! It's a city car and there is most definitely a market for it. Between my wife and I we average 50 miles per week. This car is perfect. Each their own but both EV and ICE have their own usage but also is a fact, electric is the way to go. Not only my service charges have come down by 25% my weekly fuel bill has dropped by two thirds and this on a full tariff. We are saving around £20 per week on fuel. At least for us, an EV was a straightforward choice. All the best to everyone.
Enjoyed this video and look forward to your coming trip . MacMaster seems a nice guy but all he has done is destroyed the value and saleability of his Porsche. It seems mind boggling to me that someone should spend 120k on a EV without dipping your toe into water first and start off with a cheaper EV to see if it fits your lifestyle first. He has buyers remorse I guess. The GBC channel is quite amusing sometimes when he not slagging off EVs but I suppose that wont get many subscribers. RSymons RSEV did a much more balanced video of his J-O-G to Lands End so well worth a watch.
Do we perhaps think he bought the car because he loved it, and then realised that slagging off EVs was a great way to monetise his RUclips channel? He only ever complains about the public charging network, although he has a wall box at home. He waxes quite lyrical about the Taycan's capabilities, then calls it a milk float and complains that it doesn't go broom broom, as if he feels he has to throw some sort of a bone to the Luddite acolytes..
But he's moving in the new year, and he threw away the remark that he's going to get an Octopus tariff in the new house. He has no intention of going back to petrol.
@@moragkerr9577 Yes you are right, MM and GBC have both found the golden key to opening the door to new subscribers. The road trip challenge was so contrived just like some of the old Top Gear road trips. It was pointless in one way as everyone knew what the outcome would be but it was obviously a great way to get more anti EV subscribers.
Oh Morag ... You know very well that he's driven Porsche cars most of his life ... He trusted the brand and thought EVs were the future... Turns out that they're not so he's going to laugh at the not very funny situation he's now finding himself locked into due to negative equity...
It's far better to laugh than cry although I dare say he finds his current predicament quite depressing at times...
Any revenue he makes from RUclips is nothing compared to the money he's lost due to depreciation on the value of his car and he deserves that income just for the
time he spends considering and perhaps writing script/bullet points for the video,
setting up shots,
filming the shot walking/driving out of camera shot then going back to retrieve the camera,
the expense of charging on the longer trips,
time editing,
the internet to upload,
the cost of the phone/go pro
and probably a few other things...
He puts together a very well conceived and created show which is entertaining and enjoyable... That takes time, effort, planning and costs money...
If he's found a winning formula (bashing EVs) to pull in the viewers then good for him, I don't begrudge the man growing his channel and making some income from sponsors and views.
Oh and every comment, positive or negative helps his channel have a wider reach through the RUclips algorithms. Any viewer interaction helps so keep up the good work Morag but try not to copy and paste comments otherwise the algorithm may flag your comment as Spam 👍
@@wastefulungratfuls You're pretty gullible, aren't you? Absolutely nobody can test drive an EV and not notice that is sounds and feels very different from an ICE. No confirmed petrolhead (as Lee is claiming to be) will buy one in the first place. Most people prefer the quiet, smooth ride of an EV, but if you don't, don't buy one. Lee bought that car because he really liked it, and all the evidence from what he says is that he still really likes it. His criticisms are all about the charging network, with only the odd throw-away line about "milk float" and the lack of a broom broom noise.
He leases the car. He's not locked into any negative equity. He just pays the agreed leasing fee every month, regardless of the resale value of the car. At the end of the lease he can just walk away and any negative equity will be the leasing company's problem. I have a feeling that when that day comes he'll either keep it or get another fast EV. Meanwhile he's absolutely coining it in RUclips views.
He's not at all depressed. He loves the car, he has a home charger, and the entire carry-on at the public chargers is performance art. As you seem on some level to realise. A performance which is very profitable. It's also utterly cynical of course, but as you say, you have to admire the enterprise and the dedication to his "cause".
@@moragkerr9577 he bought the car on HP.. He has to pay back the amount outstanding on the debt regardless of what the car is now worth...
My partner wants us to get an electric car because I do a lot of short trips during the week and we have a driveway and a garage. However he's a complete petrol head riding motorbikes and owning sports cars all his life. He also loves technology and loves new toys so is open to the idea of embracing new technology. MacMaster strikes me as a similar kind of guy and for pottering around and charging at home it's a good car however it's totally conceivable that his situation has changed and moving to a rural location maybe without somewhere to have a charging point means that this car is no longer fit for purpose. I know people who live in rural locations and they've not been permitted to install the faster chargers because the infrastructure can't support it locally. So no, I'm not gullible and the fact that you have to open your response with a personal attack on someone you don't know is quite shameful.
Something struck me about that Taycan. I'm not sure about the battery size but I think it's as much as 90 KWh. That is HUGE. But the car has such poor fuel consumption that its range in practice is little more than my 51 KWh MG4. You can practically do the same rule-of-thumb on both cars - 2 miles for every 1% of battery in summer conditions. His starting range was only 210 miles. (My MG4 has a nominal 218 miles.) The Tesla that did the run in a day didn't stop till it got to Abington, 313 miles from John O'Groats.
Nevertheless, the Taycan has a *blistering* charging speed. I think it's about 250 Kw. So at least charging should be quick? Well, no, for two reasons. The car is only going to reach its potential speed on a 350 Kw charger, and Lee was heading for 50 Kw ChargePlace Scotland sites. On a 50 Kw charger it can't charge any faster than my car can charge, but because it's charging a huge battery for the same mileage, it actually puts on range on a 50 Kw charger at only about half the speed my car does! I only need 5 KWh to get 20 miles of range, he needs nearer 10 KWh.
Kingussie was a laugh a minute. A 50 Kw charger for a "splash and dash", and he was charging for 35 minutes. He took on 26% battery capacity and 62 miles of range in that time. (He only needed about 20-25 miles to get to Perth.) To get to Kingussie he had to drive right past the open Tesla supercharger at Aviemore, which is rated at 150 Kw. He could and should have done a full charge there to maybe 90%, and it wouldn't have taken 35 minutes. He has a satnav in that car that shows him his range and the chargers within range. It must have been screaming at him "Go to Aviemore you idiot!" but he drove right past.
If he had charged to 80% at Aviemore he could have got all the way to Hamilton and the Fastned chargers there, where another 80% or even less would easily have got him all the way to Killington Lake. But he was fixated on stopping at Perth, which is 180-190 miles from Killington Lake depending on the route. To have any hope of avoiding a third charge after that, he had to waste time (47 minutes charging time altogether) going all the way to 100%.
He started out saying he had a plan but no plan was evident. First you decide, given the length of the journey, how many charging stops do you need? A long-range EV could do that with one stop, and Perth might be the sensible one. But the Taycan doesn't have the range to do that, certainly not the first part, so it's obviously a two-stop journey. Once you realise that, you forget Perth and look for the best chargers around the one-third and two-thirds marks. The Aviemore Tesla superchargers and the Hamilton Fastned chargers are the no-brainers.
So he drives past Aviemore without apparently registering the presence of the open superchargers, and spends 35 minutes on a village green 50 Kw charger just to get to Perth. The carry-on at Perth was ridiculous, because he knew about the Porsche chargers but went to the Ionitys first although they were all occupied. Which of course ZapMap or even his satnav would have told him. Which is probably why he went there. He wandered around complaining for quite a while before eventually confessing that he knew a better hole to go to, and going there. Where he wasted even more time charging to 100%.
It did work, because he got to Killington Lake with 13% battery left, so he did do it in only two charges. But the first one was 35 minutes on a 50 Kw village charger when he could have got far more range into the car in less time on the superchargers he drove past. The second one was, as a result, much too soon after the first one, and necessitated a wait of 47 minutes because he needed to get to 100%.
It's all a complete act. He must have known about the Aviemore superchargers, and the Porsche Centre in Perth. He must have known that Perth wasn't a good place to stop anyway. He added an extra stop in Brora where he tried to charge during a toilet break only 63 miles into the journey when he's on 70% charge. (Does he have a prostate problem?) He pretended the charger wasn't working, but even if it had been, the amount of charge he could have got into the car in the time it took to find a café and go to the loo would have been minimal. All that faffing around for nothing was what let Geoff get ahead in the first place.
So good luck, but you won't need luck to do better than that.
Before he set off I commented that Tesla superchargers as a non Tesla user would be useful for him.Ce la vie.
@@johnmcconville6055 At that time there were only three open supercharger sites in Scotland (more have since been added) but Aviemore was one of the three. Someone questioned whether it was closed for upgrading in October, but if it had been I think it's safe to say Lee would *definitely* have gone there for a long moan about it, before driving on another 10 miles to find the 50 Kw village charger.
I was gobsmacked by how slowly the Taycan was putting on range at that charger. I use these ChargePlace Scotland village chargers quite often, and my car seems to charge a lot faster than that on them. But then I realised his problem. For me, 20% of my battery is only 10 KWh. 20% of his battery is more like 18 KWh. And yet his car only gets about 2 miles per 1% battery, same as mine. His terrible fuel economy means it takes him twice as many KWh to put on the same number of miles. As a result, his car actually puts on *range* at just over half the rate mine does, on a 50 Kw charger! His car can charge at 250 Kw, I believe, but that isn't going to do him any good on these village chargers. He needed to choose chargers that would let him take advantage of the speed the car was capable of - so he drove past the 150 Kw Tesla site.
The reason he has such poor fuel consumption is because he does not use regen braking something he admitted to in a video. I think what surprises me more is the gullible that believe him
@@lewisdillon8524 I'm sure that's part of it, but that car is the EV equivalent of the petrol sports car that does 15-20 mph on a good day. I'm never quite sure how much difference regen makes because I always have it on - I like the increased "engine braking" feel.
If they wanted a fair comparison on fuel costs, Lee should have been driving an ordinary EV at twice the efficiency. And imagine taking a car that can charge at 250 Kw to a 50 Kw village-green charger rather than the 150 Kw superchargers. He was putting on range at half the speed my car would do on the same charger, because of his poor efficiency.
@@bootburner4544 What make of car?
I don't see how you hiring a vehicle is any different to him hire purchasing his Porsche. He's doesn't own his either until the final payment has been made.
I live in Bulgaria .I have to travel once in a month to Greece Thessaloniki. With my Nissan Micra gasoline I had 300 km costs 70 e. With Nissan leaf 25 same route every time. So for me is already proven. Plus maintenance who I wonder nobody speaks. Oil dpf etch
Clearly the ONLY EVs that can travel the length of England with a carefree smooth journey are the ones that can charge easily. At chargers that work and chargers that are cheap to use. The only brand that offers this ease of charging is Tesla.
Although that will change once the charging network becomes more established. Very few people actually travel the length of England on a regular basis anyway. The vast majority of people use their cars for commuting, with the odd trip out at weekends, and one or two longer holiday trips per year.
Well I go to France three times a year in my etron tank, never had any issues although I do notice more demand in UK than 18 months ago
I have a SR model 3 - I do Sydney-Melbourne-Sydney (600mi each way) start with 100% at home , 2 stops each direction, charge for free at the hotel in Melbourne and do the same in reverse. Not only is it cheaper than my previous diesel car but it also takes less time, my 2 stops are late breakfast and early dinner, instead of having to line up, refuel, pay, find a parking spot then go in to eat I simply rock up and plug in. I spend about 1/2 hour at each location and I'm good to go.
I have similar experience with my Model Y whilst towing a 800Kg glider trailer. 700Km, start with 100% SOC from home, 2 stops one shorter one for coffeee and a longer one for lunch, arrive with 30% SOC. I have found tesla superchargers where I can pull up with the trailer attached (Emsburen, Hilden, Eemnes, Zwolle, Kirchheim and another one I forgot about, but I know a couple options now, which is good)
Comfort breaks at charge points are as "useful" as comfort breaks at regular petrol stations. Not happening.
Gid rid of my EV for a diesel. I hate wasting time.
Most public chargers have "no" facilities at all for a comfort break.
You have taken it wrong then. When you do it right it saves you time... When you park you charge, don't try to imitate a gas car, and visit a charging station and 'wait' for the damn thing to get charged its a different system need different habits.
I have an EV for over 2 years now, no way I will ever give up the convenience of charging while I sleep, work, shop, or having fun... I never wait and never waste time... Most fast charging stations are along highways and almost all of them are combined with restaurants, coffeeshops, cenvenience stores. So I don't know on what planet you live, but my experience is the polar opposite of yours.. I will never ever go back to a gas car, compared to my EV these are utter rubbish, wasteful, always break down at the most inconvenient moments, cost a ton to fuel and maintain.
I total agree with you well said .
We have a Zoe, but for longer trips we rent a more suitable car. Thus far petrol rentals, but next time we are renting electric. Good luck with the trip.
Looking forward to the results. Good luck.
The McMaster is actually helping EVs he’s just highlighting the inadequacy of the current UK public EV charging network. It’s usable but still no where good enough.
But that depends on your motoring profile. There are people who rarely use the motorway network, and people who may only drive 50 to 60 miles per week. There are lots of variables, and it's a bit unfair to say the network is nowhere near good enough. Some EV owners will probably never use public charging at all. I personally haven't used one for over a year...
You wouldn't be able to have fun and do a track day.
20 mins fun......4 hours charge.
Remember RC cars at Xmas, you spend more time charging than playing.
Forget about cost as Government will start raising taxes from you charging, take away the 50-80 % tax fuel,
How many people do track days with their daily driver? 🤷♂️
i gave up on his vids after a few weeks after it was clear he *deliberately* went out of his way on every single occasion to put EVs in the worst light. Some nice examples of that you've shown here.
As suggested by others, if you buy a Porsche (because "it's a Porsche "?) and find out you bought the wrong car, you need to recoup your losses.
How to achieve that?
Pander to the maximum "easy" audience.
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That'll be the "ICE FUD" crowd.
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Plenty of triggered comment.
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(Hopefully we'll see them here when this filters through.... "Any click is a good click"!?)
Yes def agree , he is unashamedly misleading people. All he is doing is using his audience to pay for his Porche .... He even deliberately ran out of charge in the snowy weather last winter then claimed it was the car that was rubbish and was dangerous to drive in bad weather. He's a complete k****b ...
Drove past the Carlisle Ionitys. Drove past the Aviemore open supercharger. Went to a village-green 50 Kw chargepoint with a car that can charge at 250 Kw. Went to dinner and slept the night at Killington Lake without even trying to put his car on charge, when those Gridserves are so slow that they'd take about three hours to charge that car up. Maybe more. Then came over all shocked in the morning when his phone told him the car wouldn't be charged till lunchtime.
Bear in mind that Taycan has a satnav that will show him the best chargers within range. He could practically switch off his brain and just go where the car tells him. Instead he's doing the opposite.
To be honest I have blocked him now and the other guy. I've left several comments on there trying to set the record straight , but I can't be doing with it now.
@@rico4229 It's not about him, or even about persuading his Luddite acolytes. It's about having something there that tells the uncommitted reader that Lee and Geoff are at it.
Have fun I know it's been done before but it will be good to see how you get on now
Interesting to see if the UK infastructure really can accommodate the 2 to 3% of cars that are EVs, currently on the road.
The National Grid are anticipating around 9 million EV's on Britain's roads by 2030 or thereabouts.....
It can’t!
Sky News: Eligible properties with smart meters will be offered cash and other rewards in return for cutting their usage between 5pm and 6.30pm today. Officials have insisted the public "should not be worried". What a joke. @@Brian-om2hh
Probably so but its well known that when you are driving towards the end of your battery power as a Petrol or Diesel car, for example here in Germany a smart car in think it was three different models showed in the end that the Petrol and diesel were better but the one other model did aktuell best mileage what is called "Wasserstoff"which drove the widest Kilometer and had enough to drive even more than the others. So start looking at the proper information.
Ive have a Rover 75 V6 Saloon and she is my daily from A to B and back to C plus queit often in my work that suddenly ive got to drive some extra Miles of which a EV wouldn't be able to do.
My wife and I like to stop every hour to 90 minutes so an EV suits us perfectly. This more relaxed style of driving does wonders for stress and the road toll.
You must be retired, where time isn't money.
@fredfred2363 no. I work on an EMS (medivac for our North American friends) helicopter and have seen too many deaths and lives destoyed from people rushing and not resting.
You can not just stop in layby, or pop into a shop to grab snacks because they don't have charging points....🤡
RETIRED? 🤔
You might as well get the train 🚆 if you need to stop that much 😂
You had 2 EV haters "proving" EVs were bad. Shocked and stunned.
Other people manage John O'Groats to Lands End in a day in an EV and yet he fails to do it in two. (Richard Symons did it in 15h 24min in a Model S - he figured 15 hours was possible)
Macmaster planned his route impeccably, for his intended audience.
Best of luck with the traffic - that's what decides things.
Not only planned it, but acted the part for his devoted fans. "Oh, I feel for you Lee, all that stress!!"
Don’t forget he was driving a Porsche not a tesla that has adequate charging facilities plus fast charger so it’s meant for drivers of battery carts of other than the overpriced tesla.
@@TheTruth-dy8ze so he always charges to 100% (even while saying it's only sensible to charge to 80%) - he always goes places where there's one 50kW charger, even if it means driving past four 150kW chargers to get there.
He has his charges scheduled with military precision, but in absolutely the way to mess him up most.
EV drivers call him out on it every time.
Non EV drivers believe him.
How well do you think diesel car would do if you misfuelled at every fill up? That's what watching him is like.
"I'll just drive past the Tesco pumps as I have an eighth of a tank left and fill up in the motorway services - that'll save me money" - if I did that driving an ICE car in a "challenge" with an EV I'd understandably be called out for the utter stupidity or trying to make the ICE car look bad. Now imagine Macmaster has an audience that doesn't know supermarket petrol is cheaper than motorway petrol. The ones who call him out get decried as EVangelists.
Do you know wether Lee used ABRP to plan his charging stops, as you mentioned that he had a cheap subscription deal so maybe he planned his stops based on those chargers. You need to take into account all the factors that were used in the Macmaster trip but I really don't know how you can account for the weather and traffic conditions that they had.
I don’t know what he used to plan but he made a big song and dance about how long he spent planning to then ignore said plan most of the time 🤷♂️
I once did a 900 mile trip in one day, stopped twice, once for gas/bathroom/fast food that I ate on the road, and once for a bathroom break. Fifteen minutes total for the two breaks. I would have had to stop at least three times for electricity, at much more than 15 minutes each. That's just reality. If you are concerned about CO2, that's just a price you pay. I probably should have rested more as I was drained and wooden at the end of the drive.
A total of 15 minutes break in ~16 hours of driving is nothing short of dangerous negligence - I hope I’m never near you on the road 🤷♂️
I think that Lee actually loves his Taycan and has realised that he can make a popular channel by dissing Evs. He’s laughing at us all, EV or ICE drivers alike.
Exactly. Man buys/leases Porsche EV, and enjoys driving it wouldn't get many clicks/views, would it?
Yes, Porsche offered him 53 grand part ex, a bit of a drop from the original cost of 120 thousand pounds😳
My conclusion exactly. He has found a successful business model. He shows every sign of loving that car, to the point where he dropped in the information that when he moves house in the new year he's going to get an Octopus tariff. His schtick is to criticise the public chargers, not the car. He often praises it, and just throws in the odd comment about milk float or lack of soul or no broom broom noises to keep his Luddite acolytes happy. No confirmed petrolhead buys a £130,000 electric sports car!
@@jamieh46 Uh, no. He is leasing the car, so he just pays the lease every month at the agreed price. At the end of the lease he can just walk away. Any depreciation is not his problem. What he has said is that it's not economical to end the lease early, but these leases are usually only for three years so it's hardly killing him to keep the car for that length of time.
It's also obvious that he loves the car. Loves driving it, loves the way it handles. All that "milk float" and "no soul" and hankering after broom broom noises is so much window dressing. If he hadn't liked the smooth, quiet ride he'd have walked away after his test drive. He also mentioned that when he moves house next year he's going to get a special variable EV electricity tariff from Octopus. Doesn't sound like someone who is planning not to be an EV driver for much longer.
@@jamieh46 But he is leasing the car! The whole idea of a lease is that you know the monthly lease cost from day one, and it doesn't change. There are no nasty depreciation shocks when the lease period ends. You simply hand the car back, and start again with another vehicle, or not, whichever is your choice......
Good on you for doing this.
I watched some of their video , which was so painful to watch.
Even Google Maps will tell you if chargers ahead are busy or not. At one point he said he was heading for Exeter to charge then said "Im putting my foot down" and ended up having to charge at Ionity Cullompton where the chargers were all down. Then at the same time the guy in the BMW was saying "If I can keep my speed down I can fill up at ****" the Mac master is just living off the RUclips revenue to pay for his Taycan .... A complete k*****b ....
Absolutely. His car has a satnav that will do all the thinking for him. The parts in Scotland and the north of England (the bits I know) were bloody transparent. He drove past 12 Ionitys at Carlisle. And the open Tesla supercharger at Aviemore. He chose to charge too early at Perth which meant he had to go to 100% there which wasted more time. He left the car sitting all evening and all night not charging, then pretended he'd just charge up in the morning - on the Gridserves at Killington Lake that are rated at 40 Kw and would have taken about three hours to fill his car up. He could have charged on one of these connectors overnight. In the morning he faffed around pretending to be horrified, even though he knew about Porsche Centre South Lakes and its 350 Kw chargers just down the road.
Im not familiar with those areas , so I hadn't picked all that up. The first thing I noticed was that he hadn't charged overnight. Which is an advantage of an EV , ie you start with a full tank (so to speak). From there on I could guess everything he did was deliberately idiotic.
The thing is you speak to any EV driver and everyone will agree that the charging infrastructure needs improving. But if you think how we have come on in the last few years it's amazing really. I just hope for an improvement at Peterborough. It could do with another 12 high speed Chargers.... It's always very busy there.
At any given time as a charger becomes vacant then it will be indicated as such but what is missing is if there is queue waiting for the charge stations.
Plus an ability to validate your place in line once you decide to queue up.
@@TheTruth-dy8ze yes it's definitely not perfect. If a charger is broken down , that's not always differentiated either. The queuing issue should be addressed, because when a station is busy it's normally chaos with people not knowing where to wait etc...
But , from where we were even 5 years ago the progress has been quite amazing really.
Did his hotel have an overnight charger? .... That unplugged itself to allow others to use while he slept?
If so that's brilliant. If not - shhh.
I have stoped youtube from recommending those two channels. Dont feed the trolls please.
Actually he has never said he hates his porsche Taycan, in fact he rather likes it. Its the infrastructure of charging ect that he hates .
Calling it a milk float isn't exactly praise
@@pokerman111111111111 think that's just a bit of tongue in cheek humor.
If you think ev's are the future you are delusional . The UK can't produce enough electricity for home usage without buying it how can it support every car being an ev
Shhh, those comments are not allowed to be heard because Keir Starmer has a magic electricity bunny to power all our EV’s.
Can't wait for your trip.
I watched his video and felt irritated by his attitude. I would not want to spend any time in a car with him. I think he is all about getting views and unfortunately, there are quite a few anti EV nuts out there.
I *Didn't* watch his video and I was still "irritated"! 😁
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I knew that wouldn't change and wasn't about to advance the channel.
You can actually tell the purpose of his posts by the fact that even quite aggressive responses to his clear and deliberately false information, get a heart emoji from him.
There's also plenty of brain washed evangelist out there too
@@pparker2861 Yep, possibly, but they don’t go around constantly dissing ICE vehicles. They just point out the falsehoods put about by the Luddites.
It's a clever marketing strategy, you have to admit.
His £120k Taycan is now worth around £75k so....
But that shouldn't bother him, because he lease it....
I'm looking forward to the updates on your trip. Some long trips in the ami would be good too.
What about the fact that the ev he has lost £70k in two years? That's £35k a year, absolutely insane loss. A new battery £40k dam . I'm sorry, but an ev is simply not an economic car to have over time.
The Taycan is a PCP,PCH or company car lease.I have called him out repeatedly and he never answered.Just hands it back but then he wouldn't have a channel.
The batteries in modern cars will outlive the cars themselves. And anyone who buys a £130,000 sports car had better be prepared to swallow a bit of depreciation. My EV cost £26,950 new, so it can't possibly lose me £35,000 a year, can it?
Well, you do not buy a Porsche to hold its value, that is not the case with a Cayenne, but also not the case with a Taycan.. Its a Porsche thing, not an EV thing
Tesla Model 3 is one of the least depreciating cars on the planet right now. and in about 500.000 miles you will not need a new battery. New Model 3's with LFP batteries may last a million miles
EV's tend to last much longer than gas cars, almost all Model S' from 2012, with old tech batteries are still driving around happily with their first battery and hundreds of thousands of miles on them.. Even Tesla themselves are a bit surprized their cars hold up so good.. A colleugue of mine has such a car, still very happy with it, it has over 300.000km on the clock and about 80% of the original range.. There is a Model S in Germany who has done over 1 million Km and needed 1 battery replacement at around 450.000 Km, which was replaced under warranty (unlimited miles warranty, only a time constraint of 8 years), but he also has had a handfull of motors replaced! Also under warranty.
He hasn't lost anything. He leases the Porsche, and his monthly lease payments stay the same irrespective of the car's value.
he aint "wrong"" just more honest in that all metrics are considerd n NOT ignored....
If you think it’s honest to deliberately go to sites with few/slow/broken chargers rather than the other alternatives clearly known about then I don’t know what to say 🤷♂️
Challenge The MacMaster to a show down ......👍
I'd prefer it if he shut down....
I don't see the point in this journey. As 70 plus year old I recently drove from UK to South of Spain, in my new Niro EV that I had only charged once on a commercial charger. We normally take breaks on our trips anyway. The drive down was a bit of a nightmare. Mainly because of faulty information in some of the charger location maps, also because a charge card we had failed to do what it said it would. However having sorted those problem the trip back was quite easy!
Agree, iv'e given up on the McMaster, he clearly plays for clicks, titles his videos in a click bait manner and if you listen, he clearly has very close connections with Porsche Nottingham, so use that to create some videos. A creative guy who creates great, amusing videos, but that was his business I believe. Good to hear actual facts from videos such as yours.
The Ami is the EV to get for round town as Me and Mon Ami in France on their RUclips channel have done 5 thousand miles in theres and its cost them literally peanuts to charge it around £300 a year , where as my fuel bill this year has been £2500 and i drive a small 1.2 hatchback , I think the main thing stopping normal people buying EVs is the price as i only paid for my i10 £2500 if i bought an Ami for example that would be like £8000 so near 4 times the price , Govt if they are serious about cutting Co2 emissions would give people like me £5000 towards an EV but they wont.
@@tonyireland2234 Yeah but the older of the 2 I can't remember his name he is a good driver, in latest episode he managed to reverse that Ami out of his garage without hitting anything, I've been driving 20 years and still struggle lol
How can you portray an EV in a good light?
By driving it?
@@adamodavis why on earth would you want to drive an EV? What can an EV do better than a petrol or diesel car? Other than burn underwater.
@@keithb2055 google is your friend. I’m not doing your research for you.
@adamodavis Well, Google was very helpful, I looked, and apparently, EVs are better at cutting co2 emissions (over so many years), but we all know that is a lie, as it is out weighed by the mining of the minerals for the batteries and the amount of rubber used by an EV. That's not including how you produce the electricity (not all electric is produced green) and how the electric is stored. So basically, EVs are no better than petrol or diesel cars... except, EVs, do make powerful fires that firemen can't put out.
Interesting, but seems a lot of hassle owning a EV, planning this and planning that just to get somewhere. I am happy to stick with my diesel 4x4.
Don't be sucked in. 10 mins to set up zapmap once with the correct filters, and you're sorted for life.
Then it's maybe 30 seconds of planning to look up the motorway and pick a charger a suitable distance away.
In most EV's now, that'll be at least 2.5-3 hours up the road. Repeat the 30 second plan at each charge to find the next one.
Mine magically fills up overnight. Couldn’t be more convenient.
@@HoltAlex Like I said I don't want that. I don't have to plan, I can fill my tank, which can give me 500 mile range. I stop on long journeys like Cornwall just for a waz and a stretch of legs for 15 mins and off again, no hassle, no planning.
And you’re not chasing the algorithm ? Diesel wins what ever you do. It’s the time difference between the diesel and the BEV that counts. Be interesting to see how you present this. 👍
You didn't watch the video then?
Or are you just calling his integrity into question?
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The challenge came from the "test"
"Put your money where your mouth is...."
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A quick check suggests a cost of ±£300 for 3 days, 1800 miles,
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Then there's the charging cost.
For a channel with 9k subscriptions, that'll be
" *putting you money where your mouth is* "?
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Be interesting to see if you accept a sincere attempt to compare a dubious challenge.
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Maybe you shouldn't judge others by your standards?
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(And if you question my right to judge you ... Take your own advice?)
@@rogerstarkey5390 keep taking the medication! You still need it 👍
I would suggest there won’t be much “time difference”. (Others have already proved that) You shouldn’t be taken in by the blatantly clickbait anti EV brigade’s vids.
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 and this isn’t a pro EV clickbait video ?
@@lesliecarter4295 I expect it to be a honest account of the journey. I am certain the two buffoons vids were highly stage managed.
Evangelist will never except the fact that ev’s are not up to the job
The macmaster is spot on...nothing more than overpriced rubbish, not fit for purpose...
Aww……MM has an audience, and that’s a market he’s selling to - those susceptible to having their beliefs confirmed.
You know that marketing matters if you want to survive as a RUclipsr.
Yep, he's worked out the audience that will generate the most revenue and then puts videos out to cater for them. Good business sense.
You wont make many friends or subs by calling out other RUclipsrs as liars.
Not particularly interested in having the majority of these people as subs or friends that are butthurt about this video 😂
@@ModernHeroes Its still bad form to call out others as liars, but you be you.?
If I travelled all over the country doing hundreds of miles a day I would have a diesel but I like most people who dont drive for a living or part of their job I have a normal job doing normal shifts and know where I will be driving most days its 50 miles a day an EV is saving me a fortune in running costs.
Its a good job we have a choice so choose what fits your needs.
You already lost when you had to rent a different car to do the challenge as your own E.V would take days maybe even a week 😂
Nonsense - Zoe would take longer given its slower charging speeds but the comfort is a far bigger issue.
*The early adopters were rich and stoooopid had too much money as well as being gullible to MSM hype. The fact remains most people dont have 40000 to 60000 plus 600 insurance first year and 2000 to 5000 thousand second year bait and switch...plus the risk of the thing catching fire and needing a 20 meter empty space as well as as 17000 to 34000 for a replacement battery after a fender bender..plus range anxiety. plus time waste on charging plus poor charging infrastructure. Sales will plateau and then decline as the the middle class and working class can't afford them.*
Wel said.....👍
Yes there are a lot of people out there who either don't want an EV or they are not suitable for their needs. But the rest of what you say I can't agree with. My first EV , 9 years ago was leased at £180 per month with a £100 deposit over 4 years. Plus it saved about £60/month in fuel. We used it as our second car and it was ideal. We've now got two EVs in the family and the second is ideal for long range travel and the lease is £330 per month. Insurance is £350 per year. There are also fuel savings too , to account for. Now not everyone can afford that , but for a modern car , that's not too bad. I'm not going to be baited to switch . I will probably by a second hand EV next time , as prices are good.
The risk of a fire in an EV is far less than an ICE car , and it's proven that batteries are ultra reliable. Plus most have at least an 8 year warranty. But they will last far longer than that. They don't need to be replaced after a fender bender either.
I'm not trying to persuade you to buy one , because you obviously don't want to. But I wanted to put a more balanced view out there.
@@rico4229 your a promoter for WEF policies. India China Australia has increased coal production by 400% to 800% so you saving the planet bs is like a fart in tbe wind.
Also your lying about insurance.
Complete and utter nonsense....
@@Brian-om2hh really. No comeback with facts and figured. Just admit you made a terrible mistake and 70000 out of pocket for a ticking bomb with a fading battery and few chargers and you suffer from range anxiety plus spiralling insurance. Also you fart in the wind won't stop the 680% increase in coal production increase.
Geoff and Mac are just very anti EV,even so after not doing your homework when buying a new Tycan and losing over £50k in depreciation in just 2 years,he got very much what he deserved,great video fella,looking forward to the road trip 👍😉💪
Wouldn't surprise me if his videos have paid him back for that expenditure though, and I bet he loves driving it. Of course, anyone who buys a Porsche of any kind ever, was never a fan of engineering or quality.
Do you think they are both as clueless and dim as they seem, or are they presenting this ‘dumbed down’ idiot persona as part of their pitch to the basement dwelling conspiracy nuts that follow them?
With Porsche's record for one of the very lowest rates of depreciation I doubt very much he bought the car expecting that to be so bad. Nor would he have bought an EV if he was "anti EV".
@@alunjones2550only for petrol models.
Maybe he’s trying to make the money back in views
Bring Back 4 Star.
Its a shame we didn't do the run together as a proper comparison on the day
Thank god I don't do twitter, so I won't be following anything to do with EV's
EVs are great if you can find a charging station, if the station works, if the connector fits, if there's no line of cars ahead of you, and if you have an hour or so. I can fuel my Toyota GR86 ICE most anywhere in 5 or 10 minutes to get 300+ miles of travel. Also EVs aren't allowed at any of the tracks where I normally compete for some reason.
I forgot to say that if you have an EV, bring along a bag of marshmallows with you.
This exactly where a decent app such as ZapMap comes in. It can provide you with constant real-time information regarding charger availability, waiting times, pricing information, charger power in kw, connector types on the charger you are considering using etc.....
EV's are not allowed because they put the gas cars to shame.. every stock Tesla would beat whatever hyper gas car costing 20 times more. Hypercar performance in a family SUV, that is what track owners don't like for some reason.
My EV can do 300 miles easily, and I can charge near my home while I sleep, so I save myself a visit to the gas station. No waiting in line, all plugs are standard CCS2 these days and on the destination chargers in the street you must bring your own cable.. easy peasy.
During the occasional road trips I use the charging stops to go to the bathroom, have lunch or whatever.. before you are ready the battery is charged enough to do the next stint. My experience is it does not add any time to my journey compared to when I had my gas car doing the same trips, I have done several 700Km+ road trips to Germany, whilst towing a glider trailer with my EV. The experience was much better than I expected before I had my EV, I expected I would need more stops and these stops would be much longer.. none of it has become a reality, stops are just as long and just as many as with my gas car.... and total time actually decreased somewhat, because I do not have to slow down to a creep when towing my glider trailer uphill.. With the EV I can maintain the highway speed of about 90Km/hr, and the fun part is I get the extra burned energy back when going downhill.. try that with a gas car.. your tank does not fill up when going downhill and use the brakes
EVs are great because you charge overnight while you sleep, without needing to spend even five or ten minutes filling them up. And with a range of 200-300 miles, magically renewing itself every night, hardly anybody needs anything more.
EVs mostly go like a bat out of hell, too. My bog-standard MG4 feels almost as fast as my previous GTi.
The MacMaster is after clicks. He did not buy the right EV for his business travel. He's not that keen on facts and researching good value cars such the MG4
Good luck on the journey.
Let’s be honest - MacMaster is trolling his own subscribers. He knows he is lying to them and he knows they will swallow it whole and ask for more.
I’ve had a load of MacMaster and Geoff Buys Cars people over on my channel, and they all say the same thing. Someone is feeding them this nonsense knowing they don’t ask questions. So as I just did when you do a video debunking them, they really don’t like it.
Good luck on the trip - oh no, you don’t need any!
Are you being inundated with the same brace of braying fuckwits copying and pasting paragraphs of bollocks about depreciation and mining too? 😂
@@ModernHeroes just wait until it catches fire! (I'm claiming HOUSE on the BINGO card, there are far more to tick first)
The EV comfort brake argument is ridiculous you Could do a 300 miles return trip 150 miles averaging 3 : 30 hours each way meaning no need for any confort brakes
I ve been to my Neece 1st birthday on a Diesel the confort brake was my destination😳 I ve arrived back at London around 23:00 if I had an EV I would be arriving midnight after a extremely anxious drive,
car still had 350 miles left when I arrived, there was 5 in the car plus 2 large speakers
On that 300 mile round trip you could top off the battery after 150 miles during your stay, and would not add any time to your trip.. That is where 'granny' chargers are for (adapters you plug in a normal AC power plug). But there are EV's that could do that trip just fine on one charge.
@@MarcoNierop I know what you trying to say, because I m technical enough to have built my own EV there for knowing its limitations
What you saying is to connect a Granny charger AC they max around 3kwh which would take around 26 hours to charge a regular EV with 60kwh
Issue number 2 if you max your AC socket for extended periods there's a risk of house electrical faults & fire, heaters use around 3kw however they tougle on & off to prevent electricals being burnt if you were to leave a 3kwh heater for 26 hours stuff would get burned
Issue number 3 no EV reaches 300 miles at 70 mph in the cold & rain with the Heater on you will be luck to get 200 miles ( in non ideal conditions)🥶
@@niceboy60 The charger that comes with the Tesla can charge up to 16 amps on a 220V socket, and senses the voltage and throttles back if voltage drops too low. Tesla's have heat pumps which helps in winter to keep range normal. My own experience is range drops maybe 10% max during temperatures below freezing.. but that is rare these days, so in The Netherlands drop in range during cold weather is no issue, in the UK temps are on average even higher during winter. Preheating the battery also helps.... Beside this, Norway has already 20% EV's on the road and 90% of new car sales are fully electric... If you look for a cold, windy and rainy country.. You end up with Norway... Well they do not seem to have any problems with driving EV's in winter conditions, so why should a much warmer country like the UK have any problems with that? Only crap EV's drop 30% in range like that really bad Toyota Bc4x, heck this thing refuses to charge when temps drop below zero!
@@MarcoNierop all this Evs seem massive compromises, I ve Travelled with my Family from London to Lisbon 12 years ago my Diesel Car got 960 Miles Range 😳 my brother in law was Amazed🤯 he was getting 200 miles range there was a couple of istances he was concern for his Range duo to a couple of fuel stations not Working however when that happened I still had 400 miles left, having 960 miles is not about driving for 15 hours straight although I could on a Emergency with multiple drivers, it's simply about Freedom to choose when to Stop, how long & where to stop, or skip multiple stops, if Basics are not met, such as Toilets, good lighting, food, good working pumps/chargers......
@@MarcoNierop 16 amps at 220v that's 20+hours charge at 3520w that's almost full socket power , house electrics are not made to sustain this current for more than 20+ hours is Dangerous my heater Burned the Socket at 2kwh for 8 hours plus is not practical I ve only stayed in Birthday party for 5 hours that is less than 50 miles range I would have gained, not practical I will keep my diesel for now
So MacMaster was right then?
Bullshit its not possible,we have evs at Work and the drivers have told only to use Eco Drive as this is the cheapest and just recently one of them was in repairing and it was out for two months because of parts waiting for Delivery
You appear to be arguing with yourself, I’ve absolutely no fucking idea what you’re on about 😂
MacMaster is a troll, he bashes the EV for views, nothing else. I've called him out on it several times on his videos. The audience he's catering to just lap it up and think "haha, told you so"
Yes, spot on... He's making a decent living from his "act". Making money from controversy isn't a new concept. The likes of Piers Morgan, Jeremy Clarkson, Nigel Fromage and Katie Hopkins have made decent livings from it for years......
Yes, mcmaster is lapping it up by cashing in from the gullible lemmings that are easily manipulated and controlled by his propaganda.
Cntu's the lot of you thicko's...ha ha ha.
Yeh, a troll who spent a fortune on a Porsche EV just for fun anf is now in £20k negative equity 😂
They like to imagine that all the happy EV owners are somehow trying to pretend that they haven't made a colossal mistake. Most of them have never even sat in an EV.
If you can make an ev work for you then well done, good for you👏👏.
But, how do you square the extortionate cost of buying, insuring and running an ev against; 1) the catastrophic drop in value from the minute you put it on the road - 2) the rediculous cost of public charging and the lack of charging infrastructure - 3) extremely high insurance costs for both car and home - 4) greater fire risk - 5) depletion of battery charge when not in use - 6) increased tyre wear - 7) environmental damage from lithium and cobalt mining - 8) the fact that EVs are not a green and environmentally friendly option, as claimed - 9) cost of replacing the battery as well as disposal of the old one - 10) where the hell are you going to park it now that carparks are banning them!!
I've had a 9 year old turbo diesel from new. Its quiet, comfortable, well maintained, reliable, still drives like new, its economical - 50mpg+, insurance is reasonable and having done a little over 60k miles, it has a lot of life left in it.
There isn't even the remotest chance of it being an economic or environmentally viable proposition to swap my diesel for an ev. It just doesn't make any sense... Scrapping my diesel at such a low mileage is the equivalent of Logans Run for cars... it'd be a ridiculous heinous waste of a good car and replacing it with a new ev will only cause greater damage to the environment.
Let's see how you go on your trip without any fudging and, maybe also address the 10 points above with some honesty.
I know it’s the internet, but even so very impressive to get all ten points incorrect! Quite an achievement.
Hey wanta share the recipe for the koolaid??
If only there were A Better Route Planner, but sadly no it must be pen, paper, trial and error 😅
If only he had a car with more gizmos than the Starship Enterprise, including a satnav that also displays the current range of his car and the best charging places within reach. He barely needs ABRP with that thing.