EV vs Diesel - John O'Groats to Lands End - Part 3 - THE NUMBERS
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024
- Welcome to an EPIC Top Gear style challenge between @GeoffBuysCars and @TheMacMaster ...! What's CHEAPEST and FASTEST to drive between the most Northerly and Southerly tips of the United Kingdom?
We're driving a 2008 BMW 320D and a 2021 Porsche Taycan between John O'Groats and Lands End, over two days.
Part 1 - John O'Groats to Kendal
Part 2 - Kendal to Lands End
John O’Groats to Lands End, Diesel vs EV
2008 BMW 320D vs 2021 Porsche Tacan EV
Watch the full video series!
The Pre-Trip Chat
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Part 1 - John O’Groats to Kendal
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Part 2 - Kendal to Lands End
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Part 3 - The Numbers and Post Trip Chat
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 1 - The B Roll
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 2 - The Country is BROKEN
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 3 - Pulled Over Already
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
Outtakes 4 - The Problem with EV Repairs
• EV vs Diesel - John O'...
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Just a quick point, I've never in 49 years of driving ever had to phone a oil company to tell them the fuel pump is not working.
I’ve been driving for 50 years and even being offered an electric car for nothing would I even consider taking it I will stick to my 3 litre X5 diesel
@@thomasshepard6030 So you are saying they wanted you to have the electric car for NOTHING? they did not offer to pay you to take it off them?
Not sure BMW have ever made a 5 litre diesel, im not clued up on modern engines though
I've turned up at filling stations to find it completely closed
Though I have had to inform forecourt workers that a pump is out of order and moved to another pump. And we have all occasionally experienced fuel shortages and restrictions when panic buying kicks off.
As a retired Taxi driver I have done some real long distance jobs in the UK. Many Manchester Airport runs that clocked over 200 miles round trip, Barrow to Aberdeen and Barrow to Dover even a couple of Heathrow fares. I cannot for the life of me believe that customers would be happy sitting around for 40 minutes plus waiting for me to charge an EV. mid journey. They just wouldn't want an EV to take them on a long distance fare. Bloody glad I am now retired.
By the way my Son who was a PT Instructor in the British Army Did this run avoiding all Motorways, in 6 Days. Lands End to John O Groats on a push bike.
I am ex taxi and once did Hereford to Heathrow and back. 165 one way. Then did Hereford Birmingham 85.and back
Then the next day did both again.
Was knackered for 5 days.
i just looked into that. regardless of the route and hours spent riding each day, 6 days is an absolutely cracking time. i wouldn't match his average speed on a 60 mile course. downhill. even the shorter route is almost a 1000 miles with 55000 feet of total ascent. 😮💨 that's like everest twice. ⛰⛰🚵♂ well done your lad!
record on a bike less than 44hrs!
and
I have both a Tesla model 3 and a Mercedes CLA. We do all of our long trips in the Tesla, cost to charge at home is £9.50 for 310 mile range, and charging upto 80% battery takes only 15 minutes at superchargers for 220 miles and about £20. I’ve never had to wait for a supercharger ever in 2 years. The problem here isn’t the EV, it’s the Porsche EV in particular, seems as though it’s range is over estimated and not as good as Tesla charging or battery usage.
This is how I gauge the winner: Geoff was on his 5th beer when captain EV finally got to his first!
the money he saved on fuel he spent on beer👍
@@pilkipilki4472
Sounds ace to me🍻🍻
That's how you judge stuff ain't it 🤣
The Porsche EV cost $143,000 (117,400 pound sterling) more than the Diesel BMW... Invest $143k instead of buying the Porsche and it MORE than pays for beer and gasoline for the rest of your life & eventually will pay for a house or a ridiculous expensive car. So the 120,000 pound car is not only not saving you money it is literally COSTING YOU A FORTUNE!!!!!! 😅 @@pilkipilki4472
Try doing that in Australia, you would be calling a towtruck for the EV.
Nice one guys. Imagine do the EV journey with kids to look after and entertain - absolutely nightmare.
I wouldn't be taking kids in any car from JOG to LE - that's insanity
For the EVangelists, “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain
£120k Porsche vs a £2.5k BMW. Porsche loses hands down- what a crazy world we live in.
@Lookup2Wakeupfunnily enough, if you put in the amount the BMW was new (from £27k) into the inflation calculator, it comes out as £42k 😄
@Lookup2Wakeup cheapest used Taycan on autotrader today is £53,964. Even if you take that figure - still a huge difference.
Not correct just the battery in the Porsche costs £40,000
It's crazy because those who can afford and can benefit from EV's are in positions in which they can dictate what the rest of us do.
@@BayLuke96the rabbit hole goes deep into the push for EV’s by governments and the so called elite. Push back now will help their 15min cities agenda. We all need to fight this. The whole climate crisis is yet another rabbit hole…
No wonder Lee was wrecked. Huge cost, dealing with queues for the chargers, range anxiety, money spent on coffees etc. Everybody should be watching this road trip for a real world view
And he did it in a Taycan, 🤣 🤣 what did you expect.
I need to watch this to see how it compares to my real world view. Covered everywhere between Aberdeenshire to Cornwall to Hampshire and never queued, never had range anxiety. Our EV is a doddle to run, quiet and comfortable and massively cheaper than our previous ICE vehicles.
@stephenclutton Good luck to you mate, just don't garage it next to your house.
In the voice of J̶e̶r̶e̶m̶y̶ C̶l̶a̶r̶k̶s̶o̶n̶ an EVangelist "but nobody drives John o' Groats to Land's End"
And everybody shouts back "except The MacMaster"
Proud of Lee putting effort in to attempt something that should be possible 'according to the experts' with a sensible approach and proven that EV's are only good for city runabouts so long as the infrastructure is available.
Yes...if you daily commute is 30 - 100 miles and you're lucky enough to have a driveway/charging point at home & work....then go for it.
Anything else.........we're just not [and probably for the next few years of turmoil, wars, political change etc.] ready for all this - unless you're rich with money to burn (excuse the pun)
@@MrSabrecat or mine...
Whatever camp one is in I think the most important thing to extrapolate from this is that you two are both very good sports and that there’s still enough humour and goodwill left to make life fun .
Great set of videos guys. Next challenge ... Crossing 'The Land of 20' North to South WALES, without losing the will to live !
What an epic journey! I have absolutely no idea how I got to see you and Lee on this journey but I’m so glad I did! You guys are phenomenal! Just like the top gear of old days! Subscribed and I can’t wait to watch more content!
A petrol Porsche would also have cost twice as much in fuel as a diesel BMW, but a petrol Porsche would not have been *five hours late.*
My 997 Turbo S was extremely good on fuel, 30mpg unless I was ragging it round the country roads. I struggle to get that out of my 2016 BMW 3 l.d. X5.
Sure as hell the petrol porche would stop for fuel twice more
My, much older 944S2 has got 36mpg on a run at 65-70mph. On this journey thats still (£170) a lot cheaper than Lee's Taycan.
I think mine could do it on a fill at Lands End , then a fill at Kendal.@@hoonaticbloggs5402
yes it would have been 5 hours early
Here in cold, remote Canada, I can’t see EVs as a realistic alternative
It's not .....
don't you guys have diesel trailered generator every battery car should not leave homw without one, lee would have had a totally different experience if he had only hired a 12kva genny and started with the tank full and running plugged into the the pooch.
In most of Canada will work just fine. Norway has lots of EVs and is just as cold.
Work ok in Norway and North Pole....
@@Derick-s7u Work yes of course , define ok ? You can't argue against physics , well lefty morons argue against it and biology but that's another story. Cold weather badly effects all current battery technologies, performance,range , lifespan
Let's not forget that Lee's charging time is almost a full working day, so adding a days work to the cost. For those saying that he should have driven down at night, I did 20 years of night trunking and there are dozens of major road closures at night which would add almost as much time as the daytime traffic
But if we add in all the journeys to a petrol station over the period of ownership, once a week at 10mins at the petrol station still adds up ;)
And that would be an important factor if people drove this distance all the time but they don't. There are stats on the average distance most people drive their car in a day and it's like 25 miles or so. So if you had an EV with a 250 mile range then you're looking at plugging it in once a week and charging when you're asleep. For people doing longer trips on a frequent basis, then maybe it becomes a big deal so there need to be public chargers and EVs with longer range. But most people won't be using them much and if they did could probably plan breaks to coincide with their bodily functions.
But if you also include the extra cost of buying said EV, then charging it, the sums don't work. For context my ex brother in law bought an Audi EV running it approximately 30 miles per day to work and back, plus the general running around, in 10 weeks charging it put £440 onto the electricity bill, I was doing similar mileage in a V8 diesel range rover for just over half that
@@drxym agreed - it's an extreme outlying case that car manufacturers won't design cars for!
When I went to lands end from Bristol I drove in the EV, when I went and did the north coast 500 I flew to Inverness and hired a car (this was before i had an EV)
So why anyone would drive that journey is beyond me
@@drxym SO ! How do people who live in terraced housing and flats (the majority of the UK population, charge their cars whilst they are asleep ? I don't suffer with constipation so I do not spend 40 minutes a go sat on the throne at Costa Coffee or Starbucks. In the last 50 years, I have used public facilities for a sit down job less than half a dozen times.
This trip exactly mirrors my long journeys. I have made four 1300 km round trip (return) journeys in the last year. I have planned my route carefully and I now know the charging stations very well. I have not had one hassle free trip. My first trip took me nearly 16 hours for each 650 km leg. I've gradually whittled that down to 12 hours for each 650 km leg. That is still nearly twice as long as in my old petrol car. When I drive within range of my home charger, all's fine, but long trips are a total charging nightmare - though my costs are on a par with petrol. And you are quite right about the EVangelists. They are delusional. We need more rational discussion re ev's.
I make regular trips up the west coast of Ireland, a journey involving 8 hours driving.
Out of interest, I asked Tesla for a route that would keep me charged. They came back with a route, via Cork and Dublin, both on the east coast, which was useless because I visit friends along my normal route. The driving time was 23 hours, but included a charge at a hotel that gives priority to guests and closes its carpark at midnight. To make matters worse, from my final destination (a remote farm) I would not have enough fuel to get back to the last charging point.
Even worse than that, normal breakdown services in the area do not cover EV's
The owner of the garage near my final destination has never even seen one.
I see the only future of electric vehicles being hybrid, for at least the next 10 years.
You can't have a rational discussion use gaslighting language like "range anxiety"
My biggest issue with cost/fuel savings of an EV never seem to take into account the purchase price.
I could pay the Ulez charge daily for two years, plus fuel, insurance tax etc and still not have spent enough to buy a low level second hand EV.
@@Patrick-857 Good plan - redefine the terms! Range anxiety is a big factor in the real world.
@@SteamCrane It isn't range anxiety, it's a legitimate concern.
I drive long distance light haulage, my Sprinter Truck does about 30mpg, I often do 600 miles in a day. If the green morons force me to go electric, I doubt I could do 150 miles, and God knows the cost too. I saw Jay Leno looking at the Tesla Artic a little while ago, he was being told how great it was by the engineers, but nobody even mentioned the crucial questions that are the first any truck buyer will ask - weight, costs, and range. And still the electricity comes mostly from burning fuels! This was a great series by the way Geoff and Lee.
I occasionally used to drive as much as 1000 miles/day in my 1.1 T Citroen Nemo Turbo Diesel van - Porstmouth Navy Dockyard to Faslane on the Clyde and back in 17 hours in mostly driving snow with a heavy folded up life raft in the back. An atomic submarine couldn't go out on patrol until I delivered their replacement life raft - I was told to get a move on, and I did. Two stops for diesel toilet and crisps. Tell me about ANY electric vehicle that could compete with that EVER.
@@philiptownsend4026 Yes, quite possible, I used to get up at 4am every Wednesday, arrive in Edinburgh at 12.30, 10 minutes loading plastic mouldings, back home by 9pm feeling fine. Good money for a day's work but that contract ended eventually.
drive at 47-50mph... you will profit more mate. i started doing it in my movano & went from 32mpg to 40-43mpg.
make £15-30 more per run. like £3000 less a year on fuel for sake of 10-15 mins each way.
@@S.ASmith If I cruise at 60 I can average 50mph over a straightforward run up North, which means 10 hours driving for a 500 mile day. If I cruise at 50 then it probably means an average of 40mph, which would be 2.5 hours extra driving. I can get about 35mpg at the slower average, instead of 30, which would amount to about £13 saving (10 litres). I don't think it's worth the extra time for myself, but then your mpg saving is about 40%, whereas mine is only about 15%,.
600 miles in a day. Is that 600 miles non-stop? Of course it isn't. Unless you have no bladder, no stomache and spend every spare minute driving instead of having a life. In the UK the average speed on long journeys is no more than 55mph and more usually 44mph. 600 miles would take between 10.9 and 13.6 hours non-stop driving. If you're a professional driver it's actually borderline illegal to drive for those kinds of hours in one day never mind in one go. You are talking absolute bollocks.
Lee deserves a bloody medal, that must have been painful - we all know it, tired on a route and then dealing with extra shi7e is soul destroying. Super job lads
Yes I agree he does deserve a medal for trying to get to lands end. Lee is trouper well done👍👍🥇🏅xx
yep. The VC
@@pamnuman1619please don’t devalue the UK military’s highest award for valour.
More like an Oscar.
Lee hit the nail on the head when he said EVs are great for running around town. That's the whole point of them, the bastards don't want us travelling outside our 15 minute cities. Journeys like the one you guys just did (very well done btw 👍) or even Reading to Birmingham, will be a thing of the past.
Depressing.
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Just buy a Tesla, then its no problem.
@@jonnya245tesla is no better. moved a model y last winter. charged it full in nottingham, 293 miles range. drove it to the customer in darlington, roughly 120 miles. i had 90 miles remaining range when i got there. i used the heated seat when i left home for about 10 minutes and the rest i had the climate on set at 20.5 ... i burned 200 miles of range in 120 miles of road covered. i deliver cars 5 days a week and drove tons of electric cars. they all suck including the polestar 2 which is probably the best electric car on the road at the moment. long distance driving in electric cars is a nightmare. my 16 years old 3l diesel e class estate does almost 800 miles on a full tank and it costs less than charging an electric car for the same distance from chargers along the way. the only use for electric cars is 200 miles roundtrips from home and charging overnight at the lowest rate. if you need to do more than 200 miles electric is not the way. charging that model y at the supercharger from 20% battery to full was £38. 120 real life miles for £38 is not feasible. i can probably do double that with diesel for the same amount in my car which is far from being fuel efficient. with a newer 2l diesel i do more than 300 miles to glasgow. ev sucks balls
@@jonnya245 They are just as garbage and the charging problems are the same have you not been watching? Tesla have just slashed the price of their cars by 20% why because they are not selling. Why because they are expensive and do NOTHING better than an ICE car. FACT!
Absolutely brilliant best three evenings better than any Tv.
great road trip series geoff and lee - who needs Netflix when we have you two
Yep, best bit of fiction ina long time!
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 plenty of fiction available these days, glad you liked the road trip, Geoff will be delighted
You two are brilliant. That was better than any of the best top gears hands down👏👏
Wow what an amazing compliment,thank you.
@@GeoffBuysCars yer "just ANOTHER, right wing, petrol head, conspiracy theorist"
and "NOTHING SPECIAL". (let that sink in a bit hey).
Great content Geoff and Mac. People need to see this and wake the chuff up. 😁⭐️
Lee, good to see you smiling a bit easier towards the end of this, just take some heart at the fact that yourself and Geoff are doing a damn fine job of entertaining us. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed watching this unfold, all credit to you guys.
Ask any lorry driver! Driving at night has so often become disadvantageous in recent years as Motorways are totally closed for maintenance. For me in the last 10 years this has happened twice for the M3, once for the M5 and twice for the A38 Expressway! Other roads are closed more regularly at night. Driving at night is therefore very often not an option!😊
You're spot on!
Also, google maps don't always show road closures do You're left following the diversion signs which is a ball ache
@@danharte6645 Google is also good at saying a road is closed when its not, i often find myself zooming in on the slip roads to see if they are green, that means traffic is going up and down them and the road is actually open.I have even logged into the Motorway camera website and you can see if there is traffic on the motorway.
Just made a return trip Kent to Cornwall at night. MAJOR motorway services all but shut down, faulty card machines so even when they had food (Not till after 06:30, Sir) they could not sell any and they could not get it fixed "till office hours"! Previous day they'd had a three hour power cut. One not open for food or drink until 06.30, another shutting down at 21.30 closing shutters so only access to Toilets. Filthy toilets, tired broken furniture, etc, etc. Drive at night better?............... Yea, right..............
There is a definite move towards making travel in a private vehicle a difficult and unpleasant experience, weather engineered or not.
Brilliant job guys. 👏👏👏
Deepest sympathy to The MacMaster😢
EV's are crap for long journeys because the powers that be don't want anyone doing long journeys!
ladyhawke1357. No. EVs, relatively speaking, are just crap by nature.
I've recently done, London to Lands End and back, a 600 mile round trip,
in my Mini Cooper Electric, (that has a manufacturers stated range of 145 miles)
NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER and I'm an ex international HGV1 driver too.
Great info guys I feel better
Another glorious nail in the EV coffin 😂👏🏻
Funny, but coffins are for dead things. Diesel and petrol are coughing their last cough. Meanwhile EVs at least double their sales every year. For the first few months of this year the Tesla Model Y was the biggest sellilng car in the world. Not biggest selling EV, biggest selling CAR regardless of power source. EVs must be the most active corpses since zombies were invented. 😂😂
A Public Service Film about definitely never buying an EV whatsoever at all.
@@badchefi Mr Delusional right here.....
@@badchefi Or.........they suck.
@@badchefias ever, the ev evangelists defensive and replying to every comment. Without governments and tax breaks, no one would buy. Just look at collapsing second hand values and only 20% ev purchased privately. They are a joke driven by jokers
@@badchefi Nobody tries to make EVs look like they suck, they do it for themselves. Without Government subsidies EVs and wind power are just not feasible.
@@badchefiTheir interest seems to be far more related to showing the reality of owning an EV vs all the fluff pieces and marketing of EV’S being rammed down our throats. How anybody with half a brain cell, can look at all the draw backs of EV’S (the charging time, the lack of range, the faffing with EV chargers not working or queueing for them, the battery degradation) and says oh yeah thats a much better solution than those ICE cars we had before, needs their head examined…..
They can install chargers till the cows come home but there's no more juice in the grid so it's pointless!
Actually the grid works by syncing supply and demand. If the demand increases so does the supply.
@davidocall
To an extent but its not instant otherwise why do so many chargers not work?
@@roberthiggins6401 Poor maintenance, vandalism, infant stages of new infrastructure. If it was a supply demand problem it would end up with a black out, not a broken charger. If supply doesn't meet demand all the lights go out. See the kettle blackouts during world cup half time 😂
There was less petrol on offer until more stations were built. You can't have the product before you have the place to put it
@@BennyHarveyBigManOh come on that is sooooo disingenuous. How long do you think it takes to build power stations 🤣🤣🤣
@@BennyHarveyBigMan stop pretending their isn't a limit to the power available.
The other problem with lots of charging stops is your more tempted to buy a coffee and at £4 a time it adds up.
Don`t forget the shovelling in of...sticky buns, crisps, Big Macs etc.
Well said Janie. This point is conveniently brushed over by EV supporting channels. If you have your kids with you the cost becomes vast.
John O’Groats to Land’s. End.
874 miles. = approx 440 miles per day.
Average EV = 270 miles range (mine does more) = 4.2 mKwh. Based on a 64 KWh usable battery.
Drive 150 miles. Stop for Loo break and snack 20 mins charge at Avg 100 KWh. adds 140 miles range.
Start next section with 260 miles range. Drive another 150 miles. Stop for lunch and another WC visit. 40mins. Charge up at (let’s be fair) Avg 75kwh. More than enough time to fill battery even though it will slow down significantly towards 100 %.
Start last section for the day with 270 range. Drive to hotel (with charger or one near by)
Repeat next day. And yes, I know there is some leeway in distance to suitable hubs. If and it is increasingly a big if, there are no chargers available, there is no need to queue, just go to the next one. Apps or the car will tell you which have free units.
Cost:
100% battery from home = £6.08
Charges on road 33 KWh + 38Kwh @ £0.69 KWh (Gridserve) = £48.99 less the % left In battery on arrival = 33Kwh (£22.77)
Total electricity used = £32.30.
Diesel knackerheap doing 50mpg = (8.8 gallons) 40 ltrs @ £1.85 ltr [motorway)= £74.00 !!!!
It will also need filling up on second day.
So how is the diesel cheaper and quicker.
Why does one use an expensive top range EV. With a shorter range and compare it economically with an old filthy diesel? Even so the Tycan can refuel a further 180 miles range in less than 15 mins! Add that to the 190 ish it can start with makes 440 achievable, easily in a day. God knows where all these long delays for charging come from.
This has to be the most obviously contrived and dishonest stunt on RUclips re. EVs.
How about watching this ? ruclips.net/video/bM5hYkEXOVM/видео.htmlsi=YUIpQpwkNWMEtITh
2019 model S Tesla. Current value approx £38,000. (Not £120,000]
This was a proper, (and honest) challenge.
Or this one; ruclips.net/video/X5bFUMGEN48/видео.htmlsi=RTSiJgc0-FObJ9OW
500 miles with the car needing just one of 30 minutes.
Still, I expect you will carry on with your disingenuous bovine excrement just to get your clicks.
You utter knob. Honestly, if you think this was a scam DO IT YOURSELF AND FILM IT....! I can't be bothered to tear apart your comment but let's start with this one.... 100% battery from home. Do you live at John O Groats? Next up, £1.85 litre motorway fuel. Who needs motorway fuel? The diesel was fuelled up once, in Wick, and again, off the motorway, only for a £30 top up. All you EV nutters are the same, you will not admit that you've been sold an expensive turd.
'500 miles with the car needing just one of 30 minutes'
how many minutes does a diesel need for 500 miles? I'll give you a clue, the BMW can do 800 miles on 8 minutes.
@@GeoffBuysCars Well done; resorting to insults. Typical tactic of those loosing an argument!
Do you live in JoG? How often do you travel from there? You, and we all know, you were trying to discredit the range of EVs with a ridiculous and unrealistic “challenge “.
Strange you try to pick me up on cost diesel at Motorway pricing but didn’t you and your lapdog in crime price all his charging at rapid charge costs? It’s not EV drivers fault that Luddite, dirty diesel, antiquated technology junkies can’t refuel at home, whilst they sleep.
We don’t have to “admit we have been sold an expensive turd”, became know we haven’t. Thankfully, we have not been influenced by pretend, anti EV clickbait grifters!
Your “figures “ have been proven, by others, to be bogus. The fact is you keep pushing all the lies and misinformation despite having it proven that is exactly what it is, simply because it gets you clicks and ad revenue.
It’d rather be a “knob” compared to the female equivalent you are!
@@GeoffBuysCars I don’t need to do it ! Watch the links, people already have and proved you and your Muckamaster mate misleading charlatans.
Just like Geoffbuysknackerheaps and his sheeplets (of which you are clearly one) have to revert to ad hominem arguments and personal abuse. You are so clever you prove my figures incorrect!
I can't believe I have spent about 3 hours plus watching the videos on two guys driving their cars...
...and enjoyed it.
Mrs Starsky is worried. Come to think on it, I am worried too.
That was some absolutely quality content and a challenge that us motorists are genuinely interested in - if you're a petrolhead you know about MPG, if you're an EVangelist you know about charging costs/rates/range - but this has been a great way to compare the two. I had thought diesel would win but I don't think anyone could have been confident.
I feel sorry for @TheMacMaster. No shame in it, he clearly did his best and you could feel his pain. Well done to you both for this most excellent adventure.
Great comment thank you!
Me too, thoroughly enjoyed every minute. What an eye opener.....and I've still got Lee's videos to find and watch.
@@liamtheurchin5569 Likewise, I have the notification flagged for when it goes live. I'm interested to see the challenge from his perspective.
I did see a few comments that were bordering on the cruel with Lee which is t fair. Geoff did the decent thing of waiting for him and recognised that he was having a low moment when he'd reached Lands End and helped him through. Cracking example of old school Britishness and fair play.
Credit to both of them - dare I say it? Yes, I think I will... Should I? ... Stuff it, I will... _(Ahem)_ *At the risk of being unpopular, that low budget version of a Top Gear challenge was better than a Top Gear challenge.* There, I said it.
He didn't make it to Lands End, but he was there in spirit, and in the hearts of all his new fans and subscribers after this epic trio of videos. And why on earth are charging points not under cover like pumps?
Putting the chargers under cover costs. It will probably happen in time but the cost needs to be past on to EV owners, who it would seem are already paying twice as much for fuel as their ice counterparts. It could take a while 😢
That’s a very good point
Yes, this I don't understand - even though EV drivers are saints, they are not being treated like them - or perhaps they are...?
Safer to be out in the open when the charger catches fire
Much to do with planning. Getting permission for canopies at that height could delay approval for a year or so.
I realise traffic conditions are much worse than they were thirty years ago, but in 1992 twelve Austin Sevens (all over fifty years old at the time) managed John O'Groats to Lands End in less than 24 hours - that's less time than Lee's overall time spread across the two days!
Yes there is a extra 30,000,000 people in this country since then and everything has gone to crap
@@hannahtimson2526 The UK population has increased by about 10,000,000 since 1992, so about a 17% increase. The world population has gone up by 46% since 1992, so the UK has got off quite lightly in terms of population increase. The state of roads and transport infrastructure since then has got worse, but I don't think the population size is really to blame.
@@davem9204 How do you explain the poop survey that estimates there is a very large extra unseen unaccounted for population with an estimate far above the 68,000,000 people here stated.. Now you go anywhere in a car and the roads are packed 24/7 thats not 10,000,000 only in clown world
Well done to you both, this is just the kind of info that people considering buying an EV should see…
Ye people should consider not buying an EV if they plan on driving from the very bottom to the top of the UK on a regular basis.
If you are considering buying an EV and drive less than 400km a journey on 99% of the time then an EV is a no brainer.
Yes. The time taken to drive from John o’groats to lands end is probably in the top 5 things to consider when buying a car. Most people probably do that journey every week so it’s super important that they understand how an EV just isn’t very good at doing it.
Whereas for the tiny tiny fraction of people who drive to work, school, or the shops and therefor charge at home every single time, it probably isn’t that useful. But that is probably less than 1/10th of the population compared to the 99% of people who make the John o groats /lands end trip on a weekly basis.
@@snirptacularbuy an old Model S and you can do the journey for less than a diesel, plus have a non-rattley drive train, lower running costs, tons more torque etc. You could get a similar pair of clowns in a 20k model S vs a 100k lambo urus and the model S would look cheaper to run and be faster on the journey.
EVs have a place...short range commuting, only home charging.
@@ollyrukes I live in John O Groats and usually drive to my local supermarket,
in PENZANCE, each week, with my 6 kids in the car, towing a caravan too,
(THAT is my personal driving limit, as I dont want to risk,
driving over the edge of, the FLAT EARTH).
This has been a crackin' series of three - no, four - episodes covering an epic trip which changed from a bit of a laugh into a serious and very valid investigative report on the reality of driving long distances in the UK today. It's sobering to think that in Sunak's mythical 2035 all-electric nightmare, the infrastructure will probably not be appreciably better than it is now. Looking forward to this evening when I can watch Lee's vlog of his soul destroying experiences.
Why do you think it won’t be better in 12 years? In the space of 2 years it’s been significantly improved. I use a site off the M25 in Surrey. It started with 6 chargers and now they’ve started to install another 18 to take the total to 24. I’ve lost count of the number of new sites being opened. IONITY last week announced 33 new sites in the UK to be opened in the next 12 months. And that’s just ONE company.
@@mofomat In twelve years "they" expect 80% - 90% of us to be using EVs. At the same time they expect every home in the country to be using electricity for heating. Where's the power supply going to come from? Lee came across a little group of four chargers where one of the users had to volunteer to switch off so that the others could get a reasonable charge rate. I feel I can be forgiven for suspecting that it doesn't matter how many chargers there are - they could even put roofs over them - but if they're not be supplied with juice they're not much good. What's going to change in the next twelve years to provide power for everybody?
@@ranavalona24 You’re only seeing what the creators of this video want you to see. I’m on my second Taycan and have used both mainly for 1,000 mile return journeys between Holland and the north of England, EVERY month. I’ve never had any issues. The worst situation I’ve had is having to wait 15 minutes ONCE for a charger in Surrey. I’ve never had to wait other than that. The charging network is not as bad as they’re making out. It creates more clicks than a video where everything goes ok. The truth is, there are a few areas where the Taycan is inferior to ICE, but there are many ways it’s superior. These people are only interested in creating a specific situation in order to film what generates the most clicks. If it was bad, why would I be on my second Taycan? And no, it’s not for tax purposes as it’s not a company car.
I was stunned when my electric bicycle was so much worse than a trip in my 320d. Because they are exactly the same thing and so it's a fair comparison. to be fair though, I would be more interested if the costs were totted up as well as the times.
“ A serious and very valid investigative report”…😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yeh, right.
There has been a 123% increase in the number of Rapid charger hubs in the U.K. between Sept. 2022 and Sept. 2023. 68% more ultra rapid chargers in that time,
There are three new rapid charger hubs on the motorway between Warwick and Bicester. In the unlikely event that Warwick is full just a few miles gives you two more opportunities to charge. Don’t make ridiculous comments such as “the infrastructure will probably not be appreciably better” when you are ignoring the actual facts.
Massive cost difference, and time obviously. Much respect to you both.
I cant get over the different prices for electricity at different charging stations seems like a bit of a scam to me.
Notwithstanding of course, the amount of money Lee had to spend on food and drink consumed whilst charging.
Wouldn't he had had food and drink anyway? Or does diesel come with free food...
@@BennyHarveyBigMan The free food for diesels is a bit of a diesel owners secret. But we don't talk about it.
@@BennyHarveyBigManMy sister has a Tesla Model X and 4 kids. Every time they head off on a trip their hour long charging stop becomes lunch for 6. In a diesel, the same stop (if any is needed) is 5 minutes - drinks and crisps at best.
Exactly, we should add on an extra £30 or so for that.
@@BennyHarveyBigManDiesels don't stop as often as EV, so no need to buy food.
This went exactly how I thought it would. I'm in Australia and I could tra vel further than you guys did and still be in the state I live in. Plus the infrastructure for charging here is worse than the UK. Someone the other day posted a picture of a charger that was powered by a diesel generator, that's what we face with so many remote areas.
I’m in Australia as well and I totally agree with you. An EV is an utterly impractical choice if you live anywhere other than the inner city. The EVangelists wifully ignore the obvious limitations when spruiking them. “You just need to be well organised and plan your route” is a frequent defence. This disregards the fact that most of us have no interest in doing that. If I’m on a motoring holiday, I have no interest in having to muck about worrying about refuelling. I like exploring different parts of the country and being spontaneous. Even on a day trip from home you can’t easily plan to go further away than 1/3 of the range of your car given the limited infrastructure in the rural areas. It’s hardly surprising that the taxpayers have to heavily subsidise theEV industry to promote sales.
@@bruiser6479inner city. Parking buildings, parking in the basement of apartment buildings, fire? No thanks, not until the spontaneous combustion business has been sorted.
@@avid6186I agree, technology will improve and hopefully safety with it. I'm not totally against EV'S but they are not a complete replacement. The average 2 car family could have one EV and one ICE car, no doubt the EV is suitable for local short trips in towns and cities where air quality is more of an issue.
@@avid6186 Excellent point. I really think the current generation of EVs are a technical cul de sac. They are a niche product that really aren’t a very good substitute for an ICE car. Battery fires will be just the icing on the cake to persuade most people that EVs are not for them. EVangelists remind me of Ducati riders back in the 70’s and 80’s. Nobody was ever going to convince them that their 900ss was an unreliable pus box. At least those old Dukes were stylish, fun to ride (when they ran) and, as it turns out a pretty reasonable store of value.
I have no interest whatsoever in getting an EV. All these EVangelists create a strong opposition reflex in me. It almost makes me want to buy a seventies muscle car with a stonking big v8 in it.
Even with the people who had to charge on the network for their 2x holidays per year, they still get the benefit of charging at home the other 360 days of the year. So even if it take an hour or two extra onto a journey to go on holiday, thats probably still offset by the 50 times you normally need to stop at a petrol station the rest of the year in an ICE
I’ve watched this with interest! I once had a contract to work in Aviemore for six months.
I live in Newquay Cornwall.
I was driving up and back every other week. My car was an Audi A6 Avant 2.0 tdi.
My quickest time was 10.5 hours including, one stop - splash and dash.
On one occasion I did it on one tank of fuel 700 miles with some left in the tank…
That summary just shows that we are a long way from being able to discard petrol/diesel
100+ Years.....
petrol and diesel have the advantage of most of the fuel needed is not carried by the vehicle it is the air around the vehicle. (petrol air to fuel ratio 14.7:1 i.e. for every one gram of fuel, 14.7 grams of air are required)
No we're not. All we have to do is whip a pen around and let the masses just put up with the hassle! Nothing wrong with that! 😅
Not that long! 2035 is just 12 years away. By then, Geoff's BMW could still be a runner, but Lee's Taycan in 2035?
Correct, and may i also add we are a long way from stopping using our cars in favour of public transport. Recently needed to go Swindon from Nth London at short notice and thought to use the train instead and take a break from driving. 2 people, same day return, with links to the main hub £350. Went in the car instead and less than £40 in diesel. OK, a train cannot do it for that price, i get it, but £350 is ridiculous.
Thanks to both of you for this, i have really enjoyed watching this 'challenge', irregardless of which vehicle 'won' you have both shown yourselves to be first class blokes.
Fantastic viewing loved all 3 vids, thanks to you both 👍🏻
Fantastic videos, Top Gear rebooted 👍 very much looking forward to the east/west and USA challenges 😁
*Love the chemistry between you both. More challenges and videos together.*
Well done chaps.
I'm pleased you found the 'delights' of the cart track called the A9.
The SNP promised (in about 2011 if I remember correctly) to have the whole length between Perth and Inverness dualled by 2025 and as you have now seen most of it has yet to be done. Another of many promises they have failed to deliver to the good people of Scotland.
So who would you have running Scotland? Let me guess, being a colony of our betters in London?
@@channelbree I would just like competent people to run Scotland, but they seem to be in very short supply in any part of the UK.
@@channelbreewell at least you can admit it 😂
Seriously though, the snp has been a shit show. It's hard to argue otherwise.
Just for balance, when I was about 14, I remember my father telling me that the A1 would be dual carriageway from London to Edinburgh, I'm now 75, and it's still not completed
I live in South west Turkey, I saw a Tesla on UK plates last week 😳 I spoke to the guy and said how was your trip from the UK , he put his hand over his eyes and said" never again it's been a bloody nightmare" Ah ok !!
Have a great day everyone 👍
That`s the realty of no charging infrastructure just like in the mid 2000s....
@@Derick-s7u it's crazy , there are charging stations here in Turkey but still the same issues as the rest of the world, I was going to congratulate him for having a go but he looked kinda peeved ..
😁
Oh dear, this has helped me decide on my future vehicles.
Electric cars have taken driving back to the 1950's. We drove from Chesterfield to Scarborough on minor roads (no dual carriageways or motorways) on holiday in three stages. Stop for fuel, stop to top up the radiator when the car overheated on the hills, stop for loos (kids in the car) and stops for sandwiches as it was taking so long we had to eat.
Just like the EV trip.
drive an ICE and indirectly fund that VILE, women's Human Rights abusing Saudi Arabian regime,
EVERY TIME yer fill up, and "explain THAT to yer, wife, on yer next Chesterfield to Scarborough trip" LOL.
A foregone conclusion and no contest. Who would have thought it.....? Just every sensible person with a brain....! Well done and thanks to you both for making the effort! Top stuff!
Much respect to you both. What turned into a bit of fun for entertainment, had actually turned into a truthful , realistic and highly informative vlog. It had confirmed everything I suspected about EVs . Good for city driving, crap for everything else. Things will only get worse as more and more devices need charging putting more and more pressure on the grid. If we all went to EVs by 2030, the grid would collapse and the economy would collapse..maybe this is why Rishi made the announcement about 2035, as they know the truth about Grid capacity.
Boys , thank you. It's not often I look forward to YT posts . Keep up the great work.!!!!
This is true and with the rising demand depending on the country the electricity doesn't even come from renewable sources. Germany for example has resorted back to coal.
A good analogy I use (and we have an EV), they are like air-fryers. Good for some things/instances (sausages/pieces of chicken etc...), but not practical for doing the Sunday/Xmas roast dinner. EV's - good for city driving PROVIDING you can charge at home/driveway off peak/solar etc... If you live in a flat, or no adjacent parking space to charge at home then probably not for you. Forget doing the long journeys, especially if you have to recharge en-route, much like attempting to cook the Christmas dinner in the air fryer = not really that practical. Horses for courses as they say and in most cases EV's will not be a practical form of motoring for most people
Rishi only put the ICE ban date back to 2035,
to get the retired old gammon wagon owner votes.
Respect to Lee for this, EVs may be the future, but not this generation with this battery range and charging infrastructure.
By the time EV's are the future they'll have been superseded by something else!
Electricity is fabulous stuff and perfect for a lot of things. However; you can't store enough of it efficiently for proper motive power. And turning it back into heat isn't efficient either...
@michaelsimpson9779 Heat is what wasted energy ends up being. An electric heater is extremely efficient. Converting electrical energy into stored battery energy is inefficient leading to production of heat, hence the need to monitor battery temperature when charging. Converting electrical energy into kinetic ("moving ") energy is also inefficient producing heat in both the motor and the battery.
Never the future 😂.....❤🛢🛢🛢🛢🛢⛽⛽🔥👍
I bet you that they're not the future. There's an entire rest of the world to Europe.
I drove to Sweden and back a several years ago. After disembarking the ferry from Sweden to Germany, I filled the tank with some particularly cheap diesel somewhere in North Germany, and continued home. I drove through Germany, Belgium, Holland, France, got in the ferry and then drove from the coast to my home in the English Midlands and still had two bars showing and making only local trips was using the German diesel for the next fortnight.
The car had a K9K Renault 1.5dci engine which regularly achieved 80mpg on a longer haul with careful driving.
Just came back from a 500+ mile US road trip. Mix of freeway and steep twisty mountain roads, some heavy rain. 2003 RAM 2500 gas hemi, 6 person crew cab, 8 foot bed, 7000 lbs empty, at 236,000 miles. Drives like a dream. Very low maintenance, original engine, expect to keep it a while. Had to stop for a quick splash on the way back. Avg 20 mpg, but our gas is cheaper than UK. Total fuel cost $90 US. In the 20 years the truck has been in existence, no environmental cost was incurred for manufacturing a couple replacement vehicles. Truck has ground clearance to wade most floods. Sometimes haul loads at legal 3/4 ton weight limit, good trailer puller. Millions of Americans can say something similar. "Goodol truck!"
I loved watching this Geoff although I've not watched any of Lee's footage and think I can do without the stress. It's been great and an indisputable victory. Well done to you both !
For use as a second car or just a city run about maybe EVs make sense, but as a long distance GT car, absolute madness.
It's funny, but the transport companies keep buying 38 tonne lorries instead of Fiat 500...
Each car has a purpose and buying one that doesn't suit is the lunacy, not the car.
I have run an EV for more than 10 years, do 15,000 miles a year and they are perfect for me. If I had an occasional long journey of this type I'd hire a car, just the same as if I had a lot of furniture to move I'd hire a Luton van. It's not rocket science!
@@kravdraa7 That's what I was thinking. I have two cars. One is big and thirsty and is more of a hobby, the other is a more practical runabout and I've looked into replacing the runabout with an EV.
But anyone who spends a small fortune on a bloody great big electric Porsche as their only car, and then complains that it's impractical, has only themselves to blame for making an obviously stupid decision..
Buying a second car, is not really helping the planet, is it?
@@johnnunn8688 many families have more than one car. Even as a single man I have two cars. One is my "daily driver" the other is a classic which is more of a hobby.
This was a great series and well worth your efforts 👍 Longer journeys = turbo diesel ..... local/city travel, EVs make sense with home changing....if you have a garage or driveway...but then your BMW only cost £2600 😮 turbo diesels still make a lot of sense !!
WRONG Tesla Superchargers can add up to 172 miles of range in just 15 minutes. 172 x 3 = 516miles... or 45 mins....
18 May 2022 Tesla has officially opened up its Supercharger network to non-Tesla owners across the UK,
Best comparison, challenge videos ever 💯
Really looking forward to the USA road trip
The fact that this battery Porsche has lost two thirds of its value over just two years when every other model from Porsche has proven to be an excellent investment says it all...
Geoff could probably have done it in a smart car and still got there first 😀
I very much doubt that
@iancampbell3202 He absolutely could have, what do you think he was doing, 150mph?
A smart car would do 55mpg the same as his bmw hence the times would have been the same minus 2 extra fuel stops
@@iancampbell3202
Oh he absolutely could have and much cheaper too!!
I would have done it in my 2016 Smart .90 turbo White Edition no probs, they’re great cars, though I’d rather take the SL…..
Hats off to both of you for just showing the gap. Just a great demonstration of what the disconnect looks like in real life. Make more... Lots more.... If Lee can take it.... Maybe swap cars?
I have so enjoyed the camaraderie between you and for first time in ages I left all thoughts of the matrix behind, thank you ❤
Hi Geoff buys cars, you and the Macmasters have save myself and my wife from switching in EV. Not sure EVs are tough enough to do the journeys I do. I am keeping my Phev and my wife keeps her diesel car. Thanks.
Great videos Guys. Thanks. It reminded me that last New Years I drove from Bristol to the Lake District for a short break (in a petrol car). We stopped at a services on the M42 & it was packed (I kind of expected that). Queuing for ten mins for a Costa was nothing compared to the cars queuing to get to the EV charge points! If we had been in an EV, that one stop would have put 2 hours on our journey easily! Ridiculous. Keep up the good work!
Both of you showed great sportsmanship. ♥️
A pro production - Pro edit job and all that - You are miles ahead of the bbc top gear team - Well done Geoff & Lee - looking forward to you next " top gear special" style production 😎😎🚗🚗
Agreed, and on a shoestring budget too. Keep it real!
So much more entertaining than the BBC Top Gear trio! Geoff & Lee are just down to earth and relatable.
@@peter_peter_pumpkin_eaterBBC seem to pull off the impossible, and with virtually unlimited funds produce some of the most dire crap imaginable. Top Gear has been unwatchable since the C.H.M trio departed.
Now that wally Flintoff has trousered £9,000,000 of license payers cash because he managed to overturn a Morgan at 20mph!
He presumably didn’t want to wear a helmet as it might ruin his hair, and consequently has a face like a rather unsuccessful amateur boxer.
Hammond nearly died and was back at work as soon as fit enough!
The fact RUclipsrs can produce perfectly watchable content like this for the price of the fuel, food and accommodation makes the BBC seem rather useless.
Yup this just confirms everything I already knew about Electric cars, but the difference in price was staggering.
Because its a porscheeeee
Brilliant and very enjoyable set of videos thank you. I have just worked out that I could have done that trip for about £30.00 less than Lee but about £100 more than Geoff in my Xj8 4.2 2008 Jaguar.That is nuts. Again, like Geoff, I would only have had a couple of short pitstops for refuelling etc. Something is terribly wrong in the world of EV Evangelism. Can't wait for your next challenge.
Good sport Lee - Fair play to ya - I'd have thrown in the towel in Kendal - No BS and truthful comparison- Well done lads !
It was great to watch this as it confirmed all along what I’ve told my friends about EVs ,in particular the Porsche,as my friend who has one but hardly ever leaves the city ,,was ignorant to what I was saying,logistically it’s not viable cost wise and reliable,plus cost ,,so I thank you both for a excellent choice of task for EVs ,, can’t wait to show this mr know it all 😅.
How much did Lee spend in Costa and Mac Donald’s that he wouldn’t have spent if he hadn’t stopped so many times
Who spent the most? The MacMaster
Who waited the most? The MacMaster at the charging stations, Geoff at the hotels
Who drunk the most beer at the hotel? Geoff, The MacMaster was too stressed and too late for boozing...
You'll be really glad to know after we stopped filming we had a good old man-chat and drank the bar dry
Listen if the greenies want to get serious about the EV thing then they're gonna have to ditch the distance thing & just have a town hopping ability. If the deviants stopped hiding the science that shows diesels can be cleaner then this whole situation wouldn't be happening. No little kids digging poisonous minerals out of the ground to satisfy the loonies
Don't be silly , the real reason for driving an EV is running costs , you can charge the car for free from solar and there's no servicing costs, oil spills don't count right ! ,look if you drive more than 250 miles a day you need a diesel . @@zubeystinzen540
@@GeoffBuysCars For future reference the drink laws are stricter in Scotland 1 pint will put you on the limit.
@@scudosmyth784 you mean the drink driving laws... You can drink as much as you like in Scotland... and they do!
This is a great example of why I now only use RUclips for interesting viewing. Well done gentlemen, you're doing work that the mainstream media aren't doing. Relative topics investigated and some interesting points discussed.
I think that a nightmare will occur at Christmas for those travelling in EVs. Just like last year, still not enough chargers.
EVs ok for local journeys, but not for long trips.
can you tell me, what a "long trip??? is,
as I've recently done, London to Lands End and back, (a 600 mile round trip)
in my Mini Cooper Electric, "NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER",
hm, to me (I'm an ex international HGV1 driver)
a 300 mile drive, from my home in London to Lands End, is "just a LOCAL journey" LOL
@@organickevinlondon I lived in Australia and a 'local' social journey is about 200 Kms. My mate used to do the west coast to east coast run....long distance. So diesel/petrol is still the answer there.
I'm waiting for the solid state batteries to come, before I'm convinced. The range and availability of charge stations need more development before I switch.
Best of luck with your travels.
Hey Guys,
Loving the videos guys, keep up the great work!
The furtherest point west on mainland UK is Ardnamurchan Point in Scotland....
A great challenge that I have enjoyed watching. A reflection of how utterly crap the UK's EV charging infrastructure is. It doesn't particularly matter if EV drivers normally do shorter journeys as they are still subjected to the same infrastructure which is shared between an increasing number of EVs. Based on £1.60 a litre, £122 and 900 miles, I work out that Geoff has averaged 54mpg in his BMW. Based on the same cost per litre, £259 and 875 miles, mileage reduced as Lee did not go to Lands End, the Porsche Taycan did the equivalent of 24.5mpg - worse than most ICE Range Rovers. EV drivers must be so glad that they are doing so much to save the planet!!!
matter, if you charge only at home, the cost will drop significantly (probably) and if you need only night charge at home, than the charge time and the network does not matter.
it is literally the charge is the problem. if you can do it with only night charging, it is great, if you have to wait for an hour or more to charge (instead the few minutes of an ice) you suddenly burning time. and the charger cost is insane.
@@thorin1045Do you think any Government in the future are going to let you charge your car at home on the cheap, you will be required to install a separate meter and that will be the end of cheap motoring.
@@martynashwood8623 i don't think that in the future cheap electricity will exists, if we let the green idiots get away with their insanity. so no need for the separate meter, just one very smart meter, that will give you barely affordable electricity, as long as you recite the pledge to all the relevant current day cause to it every day. and if you offend the current day cause, well, you obviously do not need electricity to your forced electric stove, your forced electric heater, your forced electric water boiler, etc.
@@martynashwood8623 There's already the infrastructure in place to Tax at the point of delivery in your home. VAT (And fuel duty at the pump) works by having the supplier of the service charge you and then repay the government, generally quarterly.
All the government needs to do is mandate the already mandatory (by the energy company) and/or heavily incentivized smart meters which are very common in the home. This means energy companies know exactly what electricity you use.
According to EV charger regulations, all chargers installed must be Smart chargers. That is, they must communicate demand and electricity usage to balance the energy demand in the local grid (Substation etc).
The government have a means to tax you (Tax at point of supply) and a means to know exactly how much energy you used to charge your car.
It isn't a "They will require you to". The means are already there, all they need to do is make make the tax law.
@@Komrade_juiceThanks even more reason for me not to have a EV.
Another great video @Geoff Buys Cars. I’m shocked at the massive cost difference in the end. I’d have maybe expected a bit of a difference.
I hope you both definitely do some more challenges as discussed. You bounce off each other so well. It’s like “Old Top Gear minus One” 😁👍🏼
Fantastic vids lads😁 really enjoyed and have shared around! Really opens ones eyes to "the agenda" becoming more obvious to the day!
I’m a Blackcountry boy who lived in Mousehole (Mouzel) for 25 years. Great place but you don’t know how lucky you were parking on the Harbour piers. Where Geoff parked, I’ve seen cars flattened to knee height by waves crashing over the sea walls in sudden Autumn storms. I also saw Annette, the female parking attendant, mischievously direct one of our EU friends in his huge posh Merc down to where you finally took Lee - ‘We cannot go there!’ he protested. ‘Pity you didn’t think that when you drove into Poland’, she responded! They drove off. 😀
Proper real world challenge. I live in Scotland myself where, as you noticed, the weather can be 'a bit iffy'. Quite a few times now in weather where it's dull and raining where you really need your lights on i've seen a few EVs, mostly Teslas, driving with no lights. Just makes me think they're trying to nurse their battery. "Wipers or lights?, wipers" kinda thing. Thanks guys👍
I think You both are absolutely right about EVs. If You did have to do it again, just don’t. Small evs as a third car, to go around town for one person, make sense, but then they have to cost in range of 10-15k max. Not 120k
A 2.5k scooter makes more sense in cities.
@@VictorCopeland lack of roof and some accident and criminal protection would persuade me to small car. Only if it was cheap of course
Just a shame E makers say there is no demand for small EVs or if they do they want £40k for a Fiesta equivalent.
Don't blame the EVs for poor charging in infrastructure. This would have not been an issue in Norway.
They only make sense if you don’t need a second car for long journeys etc
Like the idea of an East to West trip, and also a USA trip next summer. Go for it boys!
Yes, Bangor Maine to San Francisco, really across the country.
You both did a great job guys. It was a fantastic watch. Thank you!!
WOW! This is epic and a real eye opener. We all knew, I think, that your BMW diesel would win the challenge hands down, but I was shocked to see the difference in the cost of the journey. Great vlog.😅😊
With those numbers my 1997 Volvo 940 would have beaten the ev.
Yep, and like all Hollywood epics it bears no resemblance to the truth or facts
Mini Cooper Electric would have done this journey for £63
The cost comparison you shared pretty much sums up the whole thing. Not even taking the terrible waste of time waiting for the charge process and the additional time waiting for a charger and the non-working chargers. Lastly, I love that manual transmission diesel BMW you found for $3300. US. Normally I’d run very fast from any BMW here in The States. That car looked quite nice too.
Without knowing it you just trolled another anti-EV troll on this thread. That's how thick trolls are.
That was a great few videos, I really hope you do some more road trips together. I think it's a good idea to make the focus "two friends on a road trip" rather than a competition between cars that go "suck squeeze bang blow" and cars that go "whirrrr" because there's only ever going to be one winner. If the challenge becomes "who can find the best places to eat", Lee's going to win.
Absolutely brilliant Geoff.
Me and the missus sacked the teLIEvision off a few years ago and not missed the garbage one bit.
There's great content out there that's much better. Really enjoyed this and we think you and mac make a great team
Brilliant, more road trips yes yes yes! Coast to coast in the US 💖👍🏻💖and maybe just a short winter one in the UK? Perhaps invite a guest EVangelist along to 'help' Lee manage his trip better this time...? That'd be funny
I used to drive a parcel van around the narrow roads of Mevagisey and Goran Haven, that's not much fun either. Great series of video's Geof.
I discovered Hemmick beach years ago, the only downside is getting there in my 3.5 tonne sprinter.
Yes! You both gotta do those challenges !!! Love it.. looking forward to it already 😮😂😊
Mr MacMaster is 100% right, small electric cars are brilliant for local journeys. Our BMW 13S can deliver a realistic 150 miles which allows us to do London to Oxford and back with a safety margin, any further and I would take my petrol or diesel car. Also, these 'private' charging stations are free to charge whatever they want whereas we charge overnight at home with no drama and at domestic electricity rates.
Just hope it doesn't go up in flames on the driveway.
Agreed. The fly in the ointment is that the car can catch fire, and kill you. Not to mention the high electromagnetic emissions all modern cars have, but more so in ev.
@@7s29No more risk than a ICE cars for fire, though.
Electromagnetic fields are a non issue, its not dangerous to humans at all, despite what many think.
Fair do's to Lee for being a good sport
Great job on the videos on this trip. And well done for demonstrating the reality of electric cars. I truly hope a LOT of people see this and actually understand the massive pitfalls of this crazy situation.
Unfortunately this isn't the reality of owning an EV.
How many times have you done this journey, that's what I thought.
If you are considering buying an EV and drive less than 400km a journey on 99% of the time then an EV is a no brainer.
I really feel it for Lee, I did that run in an Ex police Sierra many years ago, the roads were quieter, and no speed cameras. 12 hours driving, with an overnight stop in Inverness, (waking up to lovely Scottish mist and rain for my run down through Fort Willian and Glen Coe)....
In reality, the drive the guys did was not from John o Grots to Cornwall, it was from Kendel to Cornwall, which is a much more 'normal' journey for people coming on holiday, therefore a very typical trip people will be making.
Just imagine a couple of hundred electric cars descending on Mousehole in the peak Summer and all needing a charge! It's Simply not going to happen!
Why would all the cars need a charge on arrival? 🙄
@@FFVoyager Because you know all EVs need charging at the same time and that EV drivers can’t arrange their day or charging requirements.
Really useful test, thanks both for going to the effort to get these numbers. Will come in useful as a reference.
Lee, next time fit a tow hitch to the Porsche and tow a trailer with a diesel generator on it to constantly charge your car , lol - great and epic adventure well done for sticking at it. 👍👍😊😊 looking forward to Lee's video / side of this journey
I strongly suspect it would be faster to go by national coach or similar operator than it took this e.v. , on this occasion.
Even if not, it wouldnt cost £250 f ing quid!
This is amazing, fantastic work guys, love you both. Cheers
Geoff & Lee, my every day car is a 54 reg Nissan Almera (yes it's 20 years old next year!) with 58,000 miles on the clock. We live in Cheshunt Hertfordshire and drive up to Edinburgh (400 miles) several times per year to visit family. Here is our entire journey plan baring in mind we break up the journey with an over night stay in Corbridge Northumberland:-
(1)Book hotel accommodation. (2) Car is serviced, is road worthy and has correct tyre pressures. (3) Fill tank with petrol = 60 litres - £90 (minimum 600 miles range at 55-60 mph). (4) Route plan - A1 north, exit at J58 onto A69 to Corbridge. Our final leg to Edinburgh is 94 miles - A68 north and A702 to Edinburgh which usually takes around 2 - 2.5 hours.
This entire route usually takes us around 7 hours of driving depending on traffic and includes one stress free comfort break on the first leg to Corbridge. That's it! We usually leave at around 10.30am and arrive early to mid afternoon in Corbridge. No travelling over night and overall a very nice relaxed journey.
Our biggest stress point is at best finding a parking space within 50m of the hotel in Corbridge!
If the range anxiety and extortionate vehicle charging expense Lee experienced is the future of EV motoring then its not for me. This EV planet saving scam has to be shown for what it really is and these two RUclips videos demonstrate this perfectly. This experiment had to be done and proves without doubt the EV market is dead in the water!! Thank you both!
ev's....an excellent way of preventing people from straying to far away from where they live.