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As someone who appreciates and understands turbochargers and development. Turbosmart is the only aftermarket turbo supplier in Australia (that I have seen) who produces their own compressor performance map for their product. I have checked this, and they are correct. Which means everything from Mesh metrics, to their output parameters and engineering is correct. They really need to leverage the fact that they provide compressor performance maps! Because all the other guys (apart from the largest garret, borg etc) wouldn't have a clue of their products performance range or design limits. 👍
The biggest thing that will help them sell is having a few people available to call. Just tried to call the California location after watching and got no answer. Being able to directly talk about a customers goals and requirements is paramount in making sales to the general public.
@@ryanp6138 true, but most people also don’t know how to read compressor maps or don’t know how the housing size effects the output in cfm, the kind of stuff that an expert would be able to quickly answer and make a recommendation
@@ryanp6138 They don't even have compressor maps on their website and half the turbos don't even have pictures or anything. You have to make a support inquiry for every single compressor map and information about missing turbos.
The next big thing is an electric-assist turbo without a waste-gate. See Porsche GTS engine. Basically, a proper anti-lag system that doesn’t destroy your turbo.
Took the aftermarket 37 years to get big enough for it to be worth these guys while to get a bite of the garret cake. People will buy these just to have all turbo smarts parts, rather than a mix.
If that's the Harry I'm thinking of they are working with the founder of Precision Turbo. I live near Hebron Indiana and have worked as a machinist in Hebron. If they are partnered with him these turbos are no cheap knock off.
@Gamesplaytoday I don't think so, but I'm not sure. Harry started precision, then sold to turbonetics. Then he started hpt and now they help manufactur the turbosmart turbos as well.
Smart guy. Roughly 20 years ago the mod in the UK developed software for cfd. It was available for £80k. They had 5 guys working on it for 6-7 years by 2004 and were still learning and No. crunching, when they were forced to down size the No off staff.
One thing which they haven't leveraged and really should is using priority wastegate positioned as a variable AR turbo system to have parallel exhaust flow - TurboSmart you are perfectly positioned to start thinking about it!
@@LuckyFruitRacing Instead of using a wastegate as just a boost control device, use it as a way to increase total flow through the exhaust system bypassing the turbine at higher engine output to increase VE
@@Upperfoot you've essentially just described what a wastegate typically already does.... Most quality turbo manifolds already prioritize wastegate flow to avoid boost creep at the top end
Doing some math and trying to make an equal jump between sizes, you could probably have a set of roughly 6 turbo families to cover everyone, maybe 7. 300hp, 400hp, 550hp, 700hp, 900hp, 1200hp, and optionally a 1600hp capable turbo. That should cover everything from a 1.0L to an 9.0L engine and 6500-12000+rpm depending on the hot side. Especially if you could mix and match hot and cold sides a few sizes up or down for different applications. One example that comes to mind is a 550 hot side with the 300hp or 400hp cold side for something like a roll race-only superbike. Sure, it's only an 0.75 to 1.4L engine, but they rev literally twice as high as any comparable or near-comparable car engine, so the flow is roughly equal to 2x the displacement for cars. The exact opposite example would be matching a 700hp hot side with a 550 or 400 cold side for something like a 3.5-4.5L 6-cylinder that you just DON'T need to make excessive power on. Or two turbos with a 400hot/300cold. Or twin turbos with 550hot/400cold for a V8 application that doesn't need 1000hp plus worth of forced induction potential. I might just be entirely ignorant on the subject of matching cold to hot side and how much overhead (or lack thereof) with the former is required for a system to even be functional, but still, you guys get the idea, especially with my generalized sizing thing.
Agreed to an extent except for the not needing 1k hp or more in V8 applications. I love my twin turbo 6.3L V8 with twin 88mm turbos. They get pushed to 80%+ when I can get all the engine can hold to the track. I ran out of turbo using 66mm turbo's that once scared the crap out of me on gate pressure making 700hp. Now I have bigger turbos with 5 settings from 750-1600hp at the wheels and can't get enough of that beast at high RPM and high boost now I'm used to the power 🎉 I do love my tiny fast spool turbo on my RB30 swapped holden Torana. 400hp from 2700rpm and 600hp at 3500rpm is plenty in that light car on the street and I was extremely happy to down size with a larger hot side and smaller cold side custom built Garrett for the least possible lag. It was dangerous and sucked when it had far more power that all came on at 4,800+rpm.
@@danielwitham1791 If your V8 was 4.6-5.2 you might think a little different, but yeah with a 6.3 there plenty of ass there to push those big snails. For engines in the 2.3-4.5-ish liter range I feel like I'd absolutely prefer peak response with a maximum output of about 200whp per liter.
Purely from a wheel sizing perspective that's actually not far off the number, then you add multiple flanges into each of the rear housings and within each flange multiple AR's, water cooled and oil cooled, regular plus reverse rotation and all of a sudden I've lost count again ! But yeah you are 100% on the right path with your thoughts here.
@@Drunken_Hamster As a general rule, no. All the same types of damage can occur on a journal bearing turbo that has been overheated as a ball bearing turbo. With that said - all Turbosmart turbos are a full compliment ceramic ball bearing either way
As long as these are twice as responsive as PTE, they should be good. Hopefully almost as responsive as BW EFR. The days a 73+mm turbo comes on a thousand rpm earlier than the old PTE 6466. Let's hope the Turbosmart version keeps up with the times.
Thanks for the video HPA, Ive been interested in these since they came out but tbh I feel a bit like they havnt taken it too seriously. The turbosmart website doesnt show all the models and variants and finding out infomation is difficult. For example Im keen on the 6870 large frame but it appears to be only offered in 0.96 in the t4, what if I want to put a larger rear housing in the future say 1.20 or similar. Same goes with say the 6870 small frame and its rear housings, HPT do a t3 1.10 housing but its not listed on turbosmart website either. As well as by now I would have expected alot more dyno testing videos but only a few. Obviously they are selling them all and dont need to be serious Im guessing. Also FYI turbosmart, its absolutley shit that customers cant just come into your Sydney shop and buy products / find out more info on these things.
@najstephy5565 Absolutely you are on point with the range on the website not being complete yet, that's not because we haven't taken it seriously, it's more a matter of we are still working on new sizes from a design, supply chain (and to be completely honest a cashflow) point of view. I think I mentioned it in the video, but each AR is a new design, which requires a new tool, which has a lead time, then there is machining, testing, validating etc - all of that takes time and money. Trust me, I wish we had unlimited housings at our disposal right away - what did pantene say? - it won't happen overnight, but it will happen....
@Turbosmart_Matt These were released 12 months ago to only have 1 or two rear housings available is a let down for people seriously looking to upgrade when garret and precision have multiple offerings. We understand Turbosmart design is slightly modified from HPT but if he already has them why are we waiting. It is extremely hard to believe cash flow is a factor in this, we also understand that there maybe issues from HPT themselves in supplying the housings and we sincerely hope you guys will somehow be able to manufacture some of the components if not all here in the future to potentially assist with that. I get your in the middle but I feel najstephy pain man even we can't just roll up and buy direct is not good. Rang up was told to go to Mtq, absolute worst service ever I walked out never again. Loyal to the brand and run fpr, bov and wastegate but this entry into Turbochargers could have been handled better. Optimistically pessimistic about the future. Cheers
From what I gather, you don't see many gas engines with VGTs because they tend to have hotter EGTs than diesel which makes it harder to make them durable. Not everyone can be Porsche and have a efficient combustion cycle keeping egts down lol.
@RRninja-jq6lp RWB owns Haltech yes, but they don't own Turbosmart. They probably wouldn't mind having it on the books though for sure 😂 - Taz. www.racewinningbrands.com/our-brands/
Love the tech that gets developed. The brushing off of casting the turbos over seas is weird to me. It then falls to “well we don’t have a foundry in the US so may as well assemble overseas too.” Well, I get it, but I bet the US has a foundry. It’s the union cost you’re avoiding. This is the setup that is counterintuitive to the idea of US jobs. Unions want high pay but companies will just move the job over seas. Then the job is already there so why not just conveniently give them more jobs? Hey, it may even be done better AND cheaper. It’s just a shame that a month long boat ride is required to get that. It’ll be interesting if the tariffs involve this sector.
Rather than just shooting from the hip, have a compare and note what is said around 9:10. From there chat to your trusted supplier of either option and work out what suits you best 😎 - Taz.
I wanna know how they compare to Borg and Holset. Given what I've seen underground guys do with old Holsets and the raw numbers of Borg (both BB and JB borgs), those are my gold standards, both for performance and longevity, especially over Garrett which have much smaller and weaker bearing sections compared to Borg. Nevermind that I heard a rumor that Garrett copied the borg EFR geometries for their G series, but then made them slightly worse somehow AND then went ahead and overrated them compared to their actual flow performance per pound of air.
They're basically just leveraging their brand name with a white labeled product... . He tried to cut through some of the BS by saying "you partnered with a turbo manufacturer", but the guy still tried to act like it was a ground up design... . I have this odd feeling that they're going to be 90% relabeled product, with a couple iterative designs.
Turbosmart, how is it that your CFD package outputs a carbon copy of my design of compressor and turbine aero? Fuck, even the fins on the bearing housing a a knockoff of my design. The tool that supplies your turbos most likely cannot explain why they are shaped that way for an engineering purpose. Granted, it is artistic but sometimes form meets function. I agree, the Chinese do make the best copies. Hi. Dan Barlog here. I am The engineering director behind Precision Turbo and Engine for over 25 years now. This video mentioned Harry. Great "big picture idea guy". The best general statement I can endorse. God, I love a challenge but wish this guy offered more of one. If turbochargers improve, I'm down for any challenge. Give me a novel design to compete against! Turbosmart, if you would like to subcontract the real deal instead of a cheap China knock-off, give us a ring. If not, give me a ring anyway. I'd like to hear about your "innovative CFD", advanced computing power, and material science. I'd then like to introduce some knowledge into your public statements. Do you even realize you are working with a 12 year old copy of PTE designs? Yes. It will out-perform the best Garrett has today but kinda of stale if you want to be a leader of the performance turbocharger market. If would like to learn about my antiquated design approach to the products that you are selling and degrading today, give me a call. I can tell you my latest story of how my designs are outperforming multiple doctorate aerodynamicists and their $3mil cluster running ANSYS within the Wabtec turbocharger group. As I said, I love a challenge. Harry knew this. I believe that is why he sold the company. He said himself he couldn't compete with my ideas and wanted a change. I really think that he sold the company to grow ideas that were beyond the current understanding of PTE. I give tremendous respect for that forward thinking.
I would love to chat with you about your new designs that outperform the best that the propeller heads at Wabtec can come up with (I mean absolutely no disrespect to the highly educated design engineers at Wabtec - Anyone who has earned a PhD in turbomachinery design should proudly get to wear the label of Propeller Head IMO). Genuinely though it would be great to have a discussion about turbocharger design with you. I'll shoot you an email for sure, if for any reason it doesn't end up in your inbox please reach out to me directly.
Why not, buy from china for $500, sell it for $2000 PSR started it with affordable roller bearing turbos, now others like aeroflow do it. I have one, 67mm on my daily and 28,000kms later it still goes strong on my barra. China turbos work and many ppl have proved it. People running 6s and 7s on these things. Boosted boiz is proof.
Having fully built my m3 engine from n/a to turbo. Adding a top mount, I can confirm a divided 6466 is the JAM for a street car. It's just about the sweet spot. I really would like to test a divided g40900.... Should be real similar on paper, with less back pressure.
They talked about their specific qualifications and approach in the chapter called airflow & material science and computation power and the subsequent sections. If you're looking for something as breakthrough as their electric wastegate, you probably won't get that for some time from a new product line. Maybe they'll eventually do an internal electric wastegate in the future as a new product.
I took a look at drift squid at the turbo smart vs Efr turbo. Looks like they had developed a crack on the rb previously and discovered it after the dyno. I would like to see the comparison again with all issues sorted out. They most likely been driving with the crack with the efr. During that dyno session they were trying to push more boost and they couldn't make no more power.
Certainly not a "cheap china knock off brand" Every component in a Turbosmart turbo is manufactured specifically for turbosmart to our design specifications (ie these are not "off the shelf" china turbos - also lets not confuse the location of where some of the components are made with the quality of the finished product. If you think nothing of quality can come out of china, you are mistaken (iPhones anyone)....that's not to say everything out of china is of high quality, it's not. But having a component manufactured in China alone is not an indicator of its quality. Materials, procedures, management oversight, design, machining, QC are far more important than location.
@markcozzie Your right I should of mentioned engine size etc. EFR 9174 Vs turbosmart 6466 on a rb26 by drift squid showed the efr had a tiny bit more torque under 5000rpm but then the 6466 made 70hp more on the same boost around 34psi making 600 odd kw. On a 1jz garret g35 900 vs turbosmart 6466 the turbosmart 6466 made the same torque at lower rpm with less aggressive boost and made more power with less boost at higher rpm. The 1jz video has dissapeared of youtube soon after it was put on.
In the driftsquid video they had issues with they discovered a crack in the block and they couldn’t push any more boost. It is possible they were driving with the crack with the efr. Not a good comparison video. Test need to be done where both turbos are tested with no issues.
Not at all - lets not confuse the location of where some of the components are made with the quality of the finished product. If you think nothing of quality can come out of china, you are mistaken....thats not to say everything out of china is of high quality, it's not. But having a component manufactured in China alone is not an indicator of its quality, materials, oversight, design, machining, QC are far more important than location.
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As someone who appreciates and understands turbochargers and development. Turbosmart is the only aftermarket turbo supplier in Australia (that I have seen) who produces their own compressor performance map for their product. I have checked this, and they are correct. Which means everything from Mesh metrics, to their output parameters and engineering is correct. They really need to leverage the fact that they provide compressor performance maps! Because all the other guys (apart from the largest garret, borg etc) wouldn't have a clue of their products performance range or design limits. 👍
He will always be Matt from Haltech!
Any company is lucky to have people like Matt onboard for sure 😎 - Taz.
Maltech
Props for actually not bullshitting about the realities of modern day manufacturing...
The biggest thing that will help them sell is having a few people available to call. Just tried to call the California location after watching and got no answer. Being able to directly talk about a customers goals and requirements is paramount in making sales to the general public.
I couldn’t agree more.
In Australia you can call them and they answer every time.
I'm sure the information is there but people don't want to read
@@ryanp6138 true, but most people also don’t know how to read compressor maps or don’t know how the housing size effects the output in cfm, the kind of stuff that an expert would be able to quickly answer and make a recommendation
@@ryanp6138 They don't even have compressor maps on their website and half the turbos don't even have pictures or anything.
You have to make a support inquiry for every single compressor map and information about missing turbos.
The next big thing is an electric-assist turbo without a waste-gate. See Porsche GTS engine. Basically, a proper anti-lag system that doesn’t destroy your turbo.
Hey, its the guy from haltech!
I was trying to remember where i seen him at before🤔
Took 37 years for turbosmart to wake up one day and live up to it’s name
Took the aftermarket 37 years to get big enough for it to be worth these guys while to get a bite of the garret cake. People will buy these just to have all turbo smarts parts, rather than a mix.
If that's the Harry I'm thinking of they are working with the founder of Precision Turbo. I live near Hebron Indiana and have worked as a machinist in Hebron. If they are partnered with him these turbos are no cheap knock off.
yep that harry
@@THENUBANDIT same guy who made apex turbo?
@Gamesplaytoday I don't think so, but I'm not sure. Harry started precision, then sold to turbonetics. Then he started hpt and now they help manufactur the turbosmart turbos as well.
So turbosmart outsourced and teamed up with precision turbo?
Smart guy. Roughly 20 years ago the mod in the UK developed software for cfd. It was available for £80k. They had 5 guys working on it for 6-7 years by 2004 and were still learning and No. crunching, when they were forced to down size the No off staff.
Turbosmart turbos and Artec manifolds 😍😍😍
One thing which they haven't leveraged and really should is using priority wastegate positioned as a variable AR turbo system to have parallel exhaust flow - TurboSmart you are perfectly positioned to start thinking about it!
So basically, a qsv(quick spool valve) directly integrated into the hot side ?
@RRninja-jq6lp Would only need a well designed manifold that prioritised the wastegate flow first before the turbine
Could you explain what you mean? I'm not getting it
@@LuckyFruitRacing Instead of using a wastegate as just a boost control device, use it as a way to increase total flow through the exhaust system bypassing the turbine at higher engine output to increase VE
@@Upperfoot you've essentially just described what a wastegate typically already does.... Most quality turbo manifolds already prioritize wastegate flow to avoid boost creep at the top end
Andre has alot of knowledge, Please share a live video or video of you doing a tune and a dyno pull. Thanks
Doing some math and trying to make an equal jump between sizes, you could probably have a set of roughly 6 turbo families to cover everyone, maybe 7. 300hp, 400hp, 550hp, 700hp, 900hp, 1200hp, and optionally a 1600hp capable turbo. That should cover everything from a 1.0L to an 9.0L engine and 6500-12000+rpm depending on the hot side. Especially if you could mix and match hot and cold sides a few sizes up or down for different applications.
One example that comes to mind is a 550 hot side with the 300hp or 400hp cold side for something like a roll race-only superbike. Sure, it's only an 0.75 to 1.4L engine, but they rev literally twice as high as any comparable or near-comparable car engine, so the flow is roughly equal to 2x the displacement for cars. The exact opposite example would be matching a 700hp hot side with a 550 or 400 cold side for something like a 3.5-4.5L 6-cylinder that you just DON'T need to make excessive power on. Or two turbos with a 400hot/300cold. Or twin turbos with 550hot/400cold for a V8 application that doesn't need 1000hp plus worth of forced induction potential.
I might just be entirely ignorant on the subject of matching cold to hot side and how much overhead (or lack thereof) with the former is required for a system to even be functional, but still, you guys get the idea, especially with my generalized sizing thing.
Agreed to an extent except for the not needing 1k hp or more in V8 applications. I love my twin turbo 6.3L V8 with twin 88mm turbos. They get pushed to 80%+ when I can get all the engine can hold to the track. I ran out of turbo using 66mm turbo's that once scared the crap out of me on gate pressure making 700hp. Now I have bigger turbos with 5 settings from 750-1600hp at the wheels and can't get enough of that beast at high RPM and high boost now I'm used to the power 🎉
I do love my tiny fast spool turbo on my RB30 swapped holden Torana. 400hp from 2700rpm and 600hp at 3500rpm is plenty in that light car on the street and I was extremely happy to down size with a larger hot side and smaller cold side custom built Garrett for the least possible lag. It was dangerous and sucked when it had far more power that all came on at 4,800+rpm.
@@danielwitham1791 If your V8 was 4.6-5.2 you might think a little different, but yeah with a 6.3 there plenty of ass there to push those big snails. For engines in the 2.3-4.5-ish liter range I feel like I'd absolutely prefer peak response with a maximum output of about 200whp per liter.
Purely from a wheel sizing perspective that's actually not far off the number, then you add multiple flanges into each of the rear housings and within each flange multiple AR's, water cooled and oil cooled, regular plus reverse rotation and all of a sudden I've lost count again ! But yeah you are 100% on the right path with your thoughts here.
@@Turbosmart_Matt Water cooled would only apply to BB turbos though, right?
@@Drunken_Hamster As a general rule, no. All the same types of damage can occur on a journal bearing turbo that has been overheated as a ball bearing turbo. With that said - all Turbosmart turbos are a full compliment ceramic ball bearing either way
As long as these are twice as responsive as PTE, they should be good. Hopefully almost as responsive as BW EFR. The days a 73+mm turbo comes on a thousand rpm earlier than the old PTE 6466. Let's hope the Turbosmart version keeps up with the times.
they should be ok ,they are in a partnership with Htp turbos who was started by the guy who originally started precision turbo
Thats awesome they offer mirror image turbos ? It looks like it in the videos
Yup, they label them as 'reverse rotation' on their site - Taz.
www.turbosmart.com/performance-turbochargers/reverse-rotation-turbochargers/
Definitely want to try and eGate on my 2JZ
What is that twin turbo Dohc twin intercooler engine at :03 in the beginning of the video.
I hope there be more v-band twin-scroll turbine housing options from turbocharger producers.
3D printed adapters?
Thanks for the video HPA, Ive been interested in these since they came out but tbh I feel a bit like they havnt taken it too seriously. The turbosmart website doesnt show all the models and variants and finding out infomation is difficult. For example Im keen on the 6870 large frame but it appears to be only offered in 0.96 in the t4, what if I want to put a larger rear housing in the future say 1.20 or similar. Same goes with say the 6870 small frame and its rear housings, HPT do a t3 1.10 housing but its not listed on turbosmart website either. As well as by now I would have expected alot more dyno testing videos but only a few. Obviously they are selling them all and dont need to be serious Im guessing. Also FYI turbosmart, its absolutley shit that customers cant just come into your Sydney shop and buy products / find out more info on these things.
@najstephy5565 Absolutely you are on point with the range on the website not being complete yet, that's not because we haven't taken it seriously, it's more a matter of we are still working on new sizes from a design, supply chain (and to be completely honest a cashflow) point of view. I think I mentioned it in the video, but each AR is a new design, which requires a new tool, which has a lead time, then there is machining, testing, validating etc - all of that takes time and money. Trust me, I wish we had unlimited housings at our disposal right away - what did pantene say? - it won't happen overnight, but it will happen....
@Turbosmart_Matt These were released 12 months ago to only have 1 or two rear housings available is a let down for people seriously looking to upgrade when garret and precision have multiple offerings. We understand Turbosmart design is slightly modified from HPT but if he already has them why are we waiting. It is extremely hard to believe cash flow is a factor in this, we also understand that there maybe issues from HPT themselves in supplying the housings and we sincerely hope you guys will somehow be able to manufacture some of the components if not all here in the future to potentially assist with that. I get your in the middle but I feel najstephy pain man even we can't just roll up and buy direct is not good. Rang up was told to go to Mtq, absolute worst service ever I walked out never again. Loyal to the brand and run fpr, bov and wastegate but this entry into Turbochargers could have been handled better. Optimistically pessimistic about the future. Cheers
Start using variable geometry turbos on gas engines, makes a world of difference on diesel engines
Only the 911 turbo uses them really. It's crazy what VGT does for TDis
From what I gather, you don't see many gas engines with VGTs because they tend to have hotter EGTs than diesel which makes it harder to make them durable. Not everyone can be Porsche and have a efficient combustion cycle keeping egts down lol.
I knew i recognized that voice! Surprised Matt left Haltech
He did an interview about leaving haltech. New owner wants to mass produce smaller ecus for specific markets rather then focus on progression.
Finally! First. Clean and undisputed.
Isn’t that the guy from Haltech? Did he leave and go to Turbosmart?
Except these are off the shelf OEM designs from HPT-Turbochargers with bespoke front covers ..
Really? Have a link to a HPT water cooled turbo or a HPT turbo with an internal wastegate? 🧐
Still weird seeing Matt not talking Haltech 😂
I’m happy with my wastegate and blow off valve from them. They should allow me to demo a turbo
they shoulda try Mitsubishi. They’re very underrated, but very, very, very strong.
Oh hey, It's Matt from Haltech 😁
The artist formally known as....
@Turbosmart_Matt
And just like that, a new Matt was born 🙂👍
Great to see more choice in the range of turbos I can't afford 😂
hahaha it feels a bit like that sometimes eh! You just need to find someone that sells theirs before they ever really used it =) - Taz.
Since when does Matt not work at haltech? I never knew he was with turbosmart
Yeah that's the first I'm seeing it too
Can he be doing two jobs perhaps?
That's what i just found in his info - Works at Turbosmart · Worked at Haltech
Turbosmart and haltech are owned by the same parent company. I believe they also own ,,je pistons" and some camshaft company.
@RRninja-jq6lp RWB owns Haltech yes, but they don't own Turbosmart. They probably wouldn't mind having it on the books though for sure 😂 - Taz.
www.racewinningbrands.com/our-brands/
Love the tech that gets developed. The brushing off of casting the turbos over seas is weird to me. It then falls to “well we don’t have a foundry in the US so may as well assemble overseas too.” Well, I get it, but I bet the US has a foundry. It’s the union cost you’re avoiding. This is the setup that is counterintuitive to the idea of US jobs. Unions want high pay but companies will just move the job over seas. Then the job is already there so why not just conveniently give them more jobs? Hey, it may even be done better AND cheaper. It’s just a shame that a month long boat ride is required to get that. It’ll be interesting if the tariffs involve this sector.
Brand off original turbo unit?, Garrett or holset?
Negative
That catchcan filter has seen some mileage😂
# IT'S NATURAL
Actually weird that they took this long to bring out their own turbos.
We need VGT turbos in all sizes 😅
@@mastercricket7626 look at gturbo for this one
Are these not just HPT turbos (founder of precision) with a turbosmart logo on it?
I think so.
Rather than just shooting from the hip, have a compare and note what is said around 9:10. From there chat to your trusted supplier of either option and work out what suits you best 😎 - Taz.
@@hpa101 cheers Taz
It looks like a Mashup of a Garrett and Precision
I thought Matt was with Haltech?
Same Guy - New T-Shirt.
This guy work for haltech aswell ?
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I wanna know how they compare to Borg and Holset. Given what I've seen underground guys do with old Holsets and the raw numbers of Borg (both BB and JB borgs), those are my gold standards, both for performance and longevity, especially over Garrett which have much smaller and weaker bearing sections compared to Borg. Nevermind that I heard a rumor that Garrett copied the borg EFR geometries for their G series, but then made them slightly worse somehow AND then went ahead and overrated them compared to their actual flow performance per pound of air.
these are made in partnership with hpt turbos which is the new company from the original founder of precision turbos before he sold the company
wait.... that's not the guy from Haltech? It sure looks like the guy from Haltech. do Australians come in multiple trims?
All Australians are actually just one guy in a different costume to suit the occasion. 'Matt' just forgot he'd worn this one before - Taz.
Lmfao 😂😂
@@hpa101 I knew it
This is the TS trim Matt. The HT trim was shelved a while back - Blue and Red look better on him that Yellow
Who's "Harry" and what's his involvement?
They're basically just leveraging their brand name with a white labeled product...
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He tried to cut through some of the BS by saying "you partnered with a turbo manufacturer", but the guy still tried to act like it was a ground up design...
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I have this odd feeling that they're going to be 90% relabeled product, with a couple iterative designs.
thats fukin awesome
Turbosmart, how is it that your CFD package outputs a carbon copy of my design of compressor and turbine aero? Fuck, even the fins on the bearing housing a a knockoff of my design. The tool that supplies your turbos most likely cannot explain why they are shaped that way for an engineering purpose. Granted, it is artistic but sometimes form meets function. I agree, the Chinese do make the best copies.
Hi. Dan Barlog here. I am The engineering director behind Precision Turbo and Engine for over 25 years now. This video mentioned Harry. Great "big picture idea guy". The best general statement I can endorse. God, I love a challenge but wish this guy offered more of one. If turbochargers improve, I'm down for any challenge. Give me a novel design to compete against!
Turbosmart, if you would like to subcontract the real deal instead of a cheap China knock-off, give us a ring. If not, give me a ring anyway. I'd like to hear about your "innovative CFD", advanced computing power, and material science. I'd then like to introduce some knowledge into your public statements. Do you even realize you are working with a 12 year old copy of PTE designs? Yes. It will out-perform the best Garrett has today but kinda of stale if you want to be a leader of the performance turbocharger market. If would like to learn about my antiquated design approach to the products that you are selling and degrading today, give me a call. I can tell you my latest story of how my designs are outperforming multiple doctorate aerodynamicists and their $3mil cluster running ANSYS within the Wabtec turbocharger group.
As I said, I love a challenge. Harry knew this. I believe that is why he sold the company. He said himself he couldn't compete with my ideas and wanted a change. I really think that he sold the company to grow ideas that were beyond the current understanding of PTE. I give tremendous respect for that forward thinking.
"Yes. It will out-perform the best Garrett has today". Hi Dan, which models are your comparing? I would like to check it out.
I would love to chat with you about your new designs that outperform the best that the propeller heads at Wabtec can come up with (I mean absolutely no disrespect to the highly educated design engineers at Wabtec - Anyone who has earned a PhD in turbomachinery design should proudly get to wear the label of Propeller Head IMO). Genuinely though it would be great to have a discussion about turbocharger design with you. I'll shoot you an email for sure, if for any reason it doesn't end up in your inbox please reach out to me directly.
Why not, buy from china for $500, sell it for $2000
PSR started it with affordable roller bearing turbos, now others like aeroflow do it. I have one, 67mm on my daily and 28,000kms later it still goes strong on my barra. China turbos work and many ppl have proved it. People running 6s and 7s on these things. Boosted boiz is proof.
lol bmw guys just want a 6466 T4 divided 1.0AR.
I just bought a turbosmart 6466 T4 divided 1.0AR for my bmw yesterday hahaha.
hahaha they know you all too well! Hope you enjoy getting it up and running 😎 - Taz.
Having fully built my m3 engine from n/a to turbo. Adding a top mount, I can confirm a divided 6466 is the JAM for a street car. It's just about the sweet spot. I really would like to test a divided g40900.... Should be real similar on paper, with less back pressure.
VW turbos ko4 etc!!!
only 3000$ for a turbocharger....
Didn’t hear anything that makes these turbos better…sounded like they just wanted a part with their name on it to sell..
They talked about their specific qualifications and approach in the chapter called airflow & material science and computation power and the subsequent sections. If you're looking for something as breakthrough as their electric wastegate, you probably won't get that for some time from a new product line. Maybe they'll eventually do an internal electric wastegate in the future as a new product.
Google turbosmart 6466 vs Garret 35 900 should answer it for you. or turbosmart 6466 vs EFR turbo. They are better.
I took a look at drift squid at the turbo smart vs Efr turbo. Looks like they had developed a crack on the rb previously and discovered it after the dyno. I would like to see the comparison again with all issues sorted out. They most likely been driving with the crack with the efr. During that dyno session they were trying to push more boost and they couldn't make no more power.
Material quality and aero optimisation
He hasn't been with tm for that long so it's hard to take him serious good guy tho from healtech
What everyone wants to know is original maker?,is it quality like Garrett or just a cheap china knock off rebranded???
Certainly not a "cheap china knock off brand" Every component in a Turbosmart turbo is manufactured specifically for turbosmart to our design specifications (ie these are not "off the shelf" china turbos - also lets not confuse the location of where some of the components are made with the quality of the finished product. If you think nothing of quality can come out of china, you are mistaken (iPhones anyone)....that's not to say everything out of china is of high quality, it's not. But having a component manufactured in China alone is not an indicator of its quality. Materials, procedures, management oversight, design, machining, QC are far more important than location.
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Looks very like cheap "pulsar" units,a £7/800 unit rebanded now 2k, car enthusiasts getting ripped again?
@@markcozzie A turbosmart 6466 makes more power down low and up top then a garret g35 900. That should answer your question.
@blrn54 how silly to say that,how was the test done to compare?,way to many variables to even say such madness
@markcozzie Your right I should of mentioned engine size etc.
EFR 9174 Vs turbosmart 6466 on a rb26 by drift squid showed the efr had a tiny bit more torque under 5000rpm but then the 6466 made 70hp more on the same boost around 34psi making 600 odd kw.
On a 1jz garret g35 900 vs turbosmart 6466 the turbosmart 6466 made the same torque at lower rpm with less aggressive boost and made more power with less boost at higher rpm. The 1jz video has dissapeared of youtube soon after it was put on.
In the driftsquid video they had issues with they discovered a crack in the block and they couldn’t push any more boost. It is possible they were driving with the crack with the efr. Not a good comparison video. Test need to be done where both turbos are tested with no issues.
@@Tkz9000 Yeah nah they put 34psi through both turbos they showed the dyno graph of both.
Cheap china knock off with just name change?
Not at all - lets not confuse the location of where some of the components are made with the quality of the finished product. If you think nothing of quality can come out of china, you are mistaken....thats not to say everything out of china is of high quality, it's not. But having a component manufactured in China alone is not an indicator of its quality, materials, oversight, design, machining, QC are far more important than location.