So 2 years on how is that swing? I discovered tom around 2021 and have moved on since then from his moves although i still tend to have my weight forward. just wondering how is it going for ya?
Golf is such a personal journey with land mines and pit falls around every corner. I am so grateful that I found my swing on my own and good or bad, it’s mine… swing thoughts limited to the bare minimum and I’ll ride it as long as I can.
Mine has evolved over 30 years but all self taught. I’ve got myself down from a 30 handicap to a 9 without lessons and now that I’ve had more time to play it’s been getting even better
Tom is the best teacher on you tube for me. Completely saved my game. I couldn't break 80 ever before trying his method. Now every round is mid 70's and I'm loving playing golf again.
100% changed my game 6 months ago and went from 7 to 4 handicap in 1,5 months and hitting it pure, best coach on the RUclipss, and I have seen them all.
Tom Saguto is a no nonsense instructor. His vids have put me on the right track after watching millions of other vids. Also, he’s a very good guitar player and started RUclips with a guitar instruction channel. I like that since I’ve been playing guitar for over 50 years. I’m a better guitar player than golfer. With Sagutos help I hope to change that.
Dude before I even noticed your comments I could see what had changed in your swing and I was not surprised you mentioned Tom Saguto. Sorry for the long comment, but I had to chime in on this one. This is from a senior golfer's perspective and someone who has been working on his swing a long time. I ran across a tip from Saguto a while back after spending the winter and most of the spring working on my swing and just not making good solid contact - or at least not consistently and I have always struggled to hit the ball first and take a divot. Plus it was not the smooth effortless swing I really wanted. I cannot recall what I searched for specifically but I saw a video from him on keeping you left arm straight (something I did not do) and putting your weight on the lead side. Well I was fricking amazed at how much better my ball striking got and I mean like immediately. I had not struck the ball that pure....pretty much ever. It was a game changer. He also encourages taking a more comfortable back swing and not trying to overturn which I was doing in spades which made for a very effort-full swing not effortless. But like you I have watched so many YT videos and been down so many rabbit holes I was leery to say the least. I also wanted that less complicated swing like you mentioned too. I chatted with Tom a bit and watched some other videos of his pretty much re-enforcing these main concepts and have spent the summer practicing in my yard - 150+ swings a day. Due to health issues and recent surgery, I was not able to use anything but my irons, but still the results seemed to be there - it was undeniable… this one single video had transformed my swing. I have never hit the ball so pure and the sound is nice and crisp. Plus the big one…it’s effortless, consistent and fricking fun. So far I have just hit mainly birdie balls (a very accurate feeling and flying limited flight ball that has proven to be very accurate) with an occasional real ball mixed in just to see if it’s the real deal and the game changer I was looking for - and it appears to be all of that. I just don't see to hit real bad shots anymore. I know it sounds crazy, but it's true. Just so happens I will be taking my new swing to the course for the first time tomorrow. Just a small par 3 because I can’t swing a driver yet, but I am very confident it will go well and I will be on my way to breaking 80. I am not saying this will work for everyone because we are all different and one swing style might work for someone and not for others - I just know it worked for me. But I am a student of the game and practice junkie and retired so I have the time and desire it takes to work on my game. If all goes well I plan to become a member and see what else he has to offer. I'd love to get to a single digit Hcp if possible. Great stuff Rob and thanks for sharing. Nice to see this sort of validated by someone a lot better than me.
I’m now 66 years old and I began playing golf by accident when I was 15 due to a broken right leg. I actually played 27 holes a day with six clubs, a few golf balls . . . and using crutches. I was stack and tilt in 1973. Was not only able to spin my club spl golf balls back 2’-8’ but made my first hole in one that first year. No more baseball. . . hooked on golf. Played college golf, turned pro after school and am a pga life member. It’s the simplest way to swing a club. If I miss hit shots, it’s usually a thin shot. And ya know what we say about thin shots. Tom’s honesty and personality is very enlightening, entertaining and refreshing. I highly recommend that folks follow him.
As soon as I saw you take a swing in the intro I went "Hey that's gotta be Saguto". He's completely changed how I look at golf. He's the Pareto of golf. 20% of the effort for 80% of the results. You're not gonna go compete on tour or drive it 350, but you'll be consistent, straight, and confident in your shots.
@@The1badgolfer Harold Varner III is probably the closest? But frankly, who cares? I'm not gonna be a tour pro, I just want a simple, repeatable swing that allows me to have fun and score well without spending 100s of hours on the range to keep it dialed in.
@@ryanoneill585 right on, now I have to give up my dreams on the tour. Thanks for the reply, and I love how Harold Varner III plays as well as his demeaner.
Tom's guide to stack and tilt helped me get my game back on track after an 8 year hiatus. I had heard about this method before but totally forgot about it and stumbled onto one of his videos and like you, his thoughts and suggestions resonated with me. I gave it a go and after a few swings I was making consistent contact and my ball flight resembled what it once looked like 8 years ago. Enjoy the journey!
I really enjoyed your video and discovery. I too have tried the stacked golf style swing with some pretty good success. The issue I ran into and still from time to time run into is over analyzing the details of the swing and just get in my head with all sorts of thoughts. The swing style works best (at least in my experience) when I simply allow myself to "feel" like I'm staying on my left side and then only focusing on the target (very very important) and swing away. The logic in your mind allows you to automatically swing hands forward and not needing to shift the weight and worry about wrist flex and whatnot. Anyhoo, I've been plagued with my own thoughts and just yesterday after a horrible first 9 holes, discovered that I had gotten WAY away from stacked golf swing and out of frustration, made the adjustment and it was like putting on an old favorite leather jacket; it just felt right again. While it may not be a big deal to many, I ended up only shooting 4 over par for the 2nd nine holes and that's awesome for my game. Just thought I'd share. Really looking forward to your future content.
Hi Rob, like you I would never have given this a go but I have been at a loss for nearly 6 years (6 hcp to 12) so have tried it since you posted the video and very impressed so far. Mainly for the simple understanding of it all rather than complicated hip bump ect. I will let you know how I get on in a comp at the weekend!
Hey Rob - welcome to the family! Tom is indeed a really good coach and it is interesting the different interpretation you took away! S&T is nowhere as bad as people suggested years ago and yup it works!
It’s amazing after watching lots of golf channels and instruction that from the first swing I recognized it was stack and tilt. Glad it’s working for you, I have not been successfull in my attempts at learning it.
Watched a lot of sagutogolf videos and definitely worth a watch as it's helped my golf tremendously, great video and great shout out keep up the great work Rob :)
Oh my!! That looks so good Rob. That's completely in balance, no sway looks totally in control. Good job. So stand on the left foot - stay centered no head movement - and don't over cock the shaft, or overswing it. All looks so very connected.
One of the better videos I have seen; very good. `in and around: should feel like you have a shorter back swing'. `Keeping centered over the ball with more weight on your lead leg.' Yes it is excellent that you are bringing together much of the main points given to us by SagutoGolf. Liked this video even though I have seen most of SagutoGolf's videos.
Hi Rob , great to see you back on RUclips. I had the same experience as you with S&T a few years ago. It makes total sense. Most top coach’s now advocate the methods in one way or another , it just that at the the time S&T for a bad reputation for no reason really. I’ve had lessons with certified S&T instructors and that helped a lot. On Tom’s channel you can see him getting lessons from the coaches that developed the system. Definitely watch Rob Cheney and Nick Taylor , they are certified teachers and highly regarded PGA teachers also. Stick with it and ingrain and you will definitely play better golf. It got me from 18 to 6 over 2 years. Good luck 👍🏼
I changed my swing to Tom's stack and tilt 2 years ago and got my handicap back to under 10. Now it's a bit higher with some other swing thoughts, maybe have to try it again. It's a very simple technique, many senior golfers would surely benefit using it. I'm 63.
Fantast every time a swing comes together. I was on the course the other day, hitting poorly, and tried s&t. I hit the green, and my first par of the day. Finished the round that way, shot my best this summer. Need to get to the range and dial it in a bit. Have watch Tom's youtube for some time, just never tried on a course. I'm thinking this will be my new swing. Thanks for the report, and play well.
Good day Rob, I started this swing 2-months ago and I can't tell you how much my game has improved to a single digit handicap. I was hitting behind the ball so much and even my driver was hitting the ground at times. I was a player that tried everything to see what would work and I can tell you I will not be trying anything else but this from here on out. I'm glad to see there is others out there experiencing the same thing I have with this swing. Good Luck and keep it in the fairway.
Great video. I just found Tom on RUclips as well which is probably why the algorithm brought you up on my feed. I am learning through your video and experience as well. Thanks for sharing…
I’m all about Porzak Golf at the moment. Just seems to resonate with me. Not loads of technical thoughts, well explained, plenty of different drills so if 1 way doesn’t work for you then you can try others
Porzak Golf has helped me the most out of all the channels I've found. Fixed my set up problems. Much more consistent now. I think finding someone you resonate with is the most important aspect of golf videos.
Interesting to watch ‘ I’ve watched Tom for a while now and need to start trusting it on the course ‘ I have a classic RUclips golf swing at the moment and need to stick to one theory ‘ Thanks for posting and reminding me ‘
Thanks Rob for posting this video. I've started using this down the range today, and can't believe how simple it is! I checked out Tom's channel and signed up for his 3 videos which are a must to watch. Thanks again I look forward to seeing more of your golf journey.
First rule of stack and tilt is you don't talk about stack and tilt! 🤫 🤣 stick with it mate, it completely revolutionised my game! Also Tom is by far the best coach on RUclips!
Good to see you back Rob. I tried Stack and Tilt ( Saguto style) and yes it worked better than PGA style golf for me, yet my back did get rather sore. I tried a variant which encouraged " stillness" in the body and I found I could do that without the back issue. It was the Jim Venetos system. In time I have incorporate a slightly open stance ( ideas from Steve Jonson's Eureka swing) which helped with my alignment, and maybe when I am looking for a big draw with driver I try Marcus Edblad's method.
I discovered Tom about a year ago and he has changed my swing for the better. My ball contact is more pure and consistent than before. My only issue is that I have not been able to transfer my range shots to the course consistently. I am hoping this comes soon. I really enjoyed the fact that a non-PGA professional, like yourself, is bringing Tom's teachings to RUclips for all to view. Good luck on your journey and keep hitting your shots "crispy like KFC".
Totally agree. It''s really hard to trust, but the real secret is how you set the legs SLIGHTLY to the target (Both of them) And NOT go stupid on them. Wink, wink. KInda downward and in maybe? Aka Ben Hogan.
I've been playing golf for a long time. I have that exact problem of "fanning the wrists" taking the club back. It's engrained now. So had come across that advice, I was told hands in and clubhead outside off the hands. Also tried stack and tilt a coulple of years ago. Worked for awhile but I tend to have a low ball flight and found long irons were too low. With driver staying stacked give me a fade to slice. Another golf pro teacher told me when I was having swing problems to imagine swinging as if I was in a barrel. So seems to be much along the lines of what you are saying. Looked a bit of a bleak, windy practice area 😀. Sometimes I wonder on practice area where you are hitting ball after ball have you just got into a nice rhytmn shot after shot. Then it's different on course. Another teaching pro said after a certain age it's just about rhytmn. Good luck with it all you put in some dedicated practice there. Interesting video.
I knew right at the beginning that you were talking about stack and tilt and Tom Saguto. Stack and tilt works but like all golf systems it depends on how you process the whole thing.
I'm seeing my problems thru you as we speak and I'm changing everything about my swing based on moving the weight forward, when it happens correctly and the ball flies smoothly, it's such a great feeling. I'm also a Tom Saguto fan :)
For sone time over the winter my golf was getting worse and worse and I ended up in the net in the rain shanking balls into the corner of the net. I could have easily given up. I happened upon one of Toms short tips. Just about keeping the left arm straight. The next day the very first ball I hit had compression on it like I hadn’t had for weeks. This gave me hope. I still have problems don’t get me wrong, mainly mental blocks, but I was nutting the ball again as good as I have ever done. Now I’ve signed up to tons course so that I feel commitment and also to days thanks to him for this ONE tip that turned things around. Anyway, roll on 2024, I have hope at least. It’s funny but as soon as I saw your swing I thought “stack and tilt” and then “Saguto”. 😂😂😂play well.
Saguto, seems a very popular way to play the game and I’m sure helps to improve strike. This is definitely a quick fix swing for amateurs. It’s like anything in this game however if you get too fixated on one part of the swing ie loading 85% of your weight over the lead side may work wonders at first but you may find it puts extra stress on the back and you could end up loosing much needed hip rotation. If the golf swing should be like throwing a ball, the natural way to do it wouldn’t be keeping 85% of the weight over you lead leg in doing so. Would be interesting to see how this pans out for you. I’m open to all ideas. Good luck 🍻
as soon as you stood with your weight forward is said Tom Saguto. Tried his swing and it helps get better contact. my issue is my trail foot slipping and over drawing it.
I like it, some months back I tried keeping my weight on my led foot and I was striking the irons very good, then I watched some instruction videos and everyone said not to do that, so I went back to trying it there way and it didn’t work for me. I’m excited to try it again your swing looks very simple and compact without a lot of moving around. Thank you for this tip, I will get back and let you know how it works for me. Questions do you do the same for Driver, fairway woods and hybrids ?. Can you tell your ball flight also draw or fade?Thank you.
Been following Tom for several years ...after back surgery needed to change my swing. He is the best . There is another guy from Fla Jess Frank who teaches st..he is very good too.
So that’s what stack and tilt is eh? I’d heard the term plenty of times but never bothered to look into it. Interesting concept and you definitely looked like you were swinging well there Rob so best of luck with it 👍 Get a course vlog up soon. Think we’d all enjoy that. One thing you mentioned in the video was that your thin and heavy shots with the new method were happening when you felt like you rushed it or were pulling down excessively. I don’t use the method you were displaying but, after watching Xander Schauffele win at the Scottish Open in July, I have really concentrated on adopting his amazing tempo into my swing. Got my handicap down from 4.5 to 0.1 since then, shot under par a few times and had my lowest ever round of five under a couple of weeks ago so results have been great. Appreciate that it might be hard to incorporate another swing thought into your mind when you’re learning and trying to ingrain new patterns but it’s a simple, non technical thought that could be the final piece of the puzzle for you 👍
Some of those shots sounded so pure, Will defo be interesting to see how you get round on the course with it. Look forward to it. I'll check the Tom out as well.
I’m definitely going to give this a try. Quick question though… where should ball placement be when you’re leaning that far towards the lead side?? Thanks.
Hi Rob. It seems remarkably similar to Rob Cheney’s wrench drill. I tried it for a while, initially with remarkable results. However on the course the draws became hooks and I gave up with it. Perhaps as amateurs correct weight transfer on the downswing is our biggest difficulty and keeping weight on the left side accounts for why most people , at least at first, find it great. But this was of course just my experience!
What you've effectively done is slowly convinced your brain to keep the clubface in a more modern toe-down orientation on the way back and through - obviously different than the old-school toe-up to toe-up then rotate the forearms through impact technique. Now that you are comfortable doing this, you can make the first move back, less inside, and straighten out your curvatures. Welcome to the new world of clubface matching your spine angle. Great video
I stumbled across Tom's channel n YT's algorithm a year or so ago and became an instant fan of his approach. As you were introducing the film, the way you were talking I was thinking is he talking about Saguto?! And yes, you were! Crispy Mash Potatoes!! Your ball striking even sounds like his :)
I have been very inconsistent after coming back to golf after 2 years of not playing, will give this a go. And it would be really nice to see you on the course with this swing.
I came back to golf after twenty years. It's fair to say that I have struggled to improve consistently despite getting one on one coaching. I saw your video and immediately signed up for the three free sessions. Tried it tonight and I have never hit the ball better, even 20 years ago when I was a single figure player. It just felt effortless. Question though, are you going to do his golf swing simplified programme?
Looks much more solid/compact, good work mate. I took one of those inflatable balls that you put between your arms to the driving range and felt like a total knob.
I recently saw this fella on a youtube short, looked really good and I tried it too! Interesting you came across it at a similar time it seems, interested also to see how easy the changes translate to playing on the course (my experience is that's really hard to do)
Had this a go today after watching your vid. I've watched Tom a fair bit but loved how you summed it up. I only did parts 1&2 and found it worked really well! There was no chance it was going right and the ball striking was great. 1 under par for last three holes and i play off 13 so that was very tidy! Cheers for this mate!
I am totally amazed when I see players like you striping the ball. I have tried so many swing methodologies and have yet to find a better swing than the mediocre one I possess. Breaking 90 continues to elude me.
Tom method is straight stack and tilt. Which isn’t new but people in the industry have hated on it. Part of it cause of tour players. But what Tom does better than the majority of other teachers of this method is how he explains it. My buddy and somebody I coach from time to time watches Tom’s vids as well. When I can’t explain something as well I refer to his videos.
Hi I've just watched your video I new it was Tom who you are talking about I'm still mixed about whether to continue with the stack and tilt no one where I live teachers it I spoken to 3 coaches and they all have said leave it alone I live in Peterborough so I'm looking for others who use this swing. It's a very simple swing if it works for you I do quite well with it on the range but playing golf I end up to now always going back to my old swing. Steven
Hey Rob, I remember the left knee thing in your video with Liam, I've watched a lot of Tom's videos and can also recommend Shawn Clements who's also basically Stack and Tilt and is excellent at describing the feel you need to get. Good luck on your journey, I've been following your channel for quite some time, and it's good to see the optimism back.
Very interesting Rob. I have tried Saguto/SAT golf off and on. Recently returned to it. I have given up on this technique with driver as I saw no benefit from it. Loved your hair buzz video. I’ve been considering that myself.
Hi Rob, I have also signed up to Tom but would also like to reinforce it with a actual SnT coach in England, but am really struggling to find one, have you had any luck finding one
Some elements of this swing are similar to Jim Venetos. JV’s swing is even more simple and easy to do. I highly recommend it. It has made golf fun for me again!
Haven't tried it yet but will be tmrw, looks a great way to help players who don't get weight transferred on to left side , almost guaranteed to finish swing, no sway is the way forward for me , Cheers for this.
See what happened the first time I took the new swing to the course: ruclips.net/video/mKREDa0OcbI/видео.html
So 2 years on how is that swing? I discovered tom around 2021 and have moved on since then from his moves although i still tend to have my weight forward. just wondering how is it going for ya?
Tom Saguto is a great instructor. Been watching him for a couple of years now.
Golf is such a personal journey with land mines and pit falls around every corner. I am so grateful that I found my swing on my own and good or bad, it’s mine… swing thoughts limited to the bare minimum and I’ll ride it as long as I can.
Very true…it couldn’t be thought..you need to find it yourself…
Mine has evolved over 30 years but all self taught. I’ve got myself down from a 30 handicap to a 9 without lessons and now that I’ve had more time to play it’s been getting even better
@@krispybowgod9656 That’s awesome!!!
I've been watching Tom for a year or so. I even subscribed to his online school for a couple of months. Brilliant .
Tom is the best teacher on you tube for me. Completely saved my game. I couldn't break 80 ever before trying his method. Now every round is mid 70's and I'm loving playing golf again.
Stack and Tilt changed everything for me. And Tom was the man.
I found Tom about a year ago and he saved my game. His teaching is simple straight forward and best of all IT WORKS!!!
100% changed my game 6 months ago and went from 7 to 4 handicap in 1,5 months and hitting it pure, best coach on the RUclipss, and I have seen them all.
Tom Saguto is a no nonsense instructor. His vids have put me on the right track after watching millions of other vids. Also, he’s a very good guitar player and started RUclips with a guitar instruction channel. I like that since I’ve been playing guitar for over 50 years. I’m a better guitar player than golfer. With Sagutos help I hope to change that.
Dude before I even noticed your comments I could see what had changed in your swing and I was not surprised you mentioned Tom Saguto. Sorry for the long comment, but I had to chime in on this one. This is from a senior golfer's perspective and someone who has been working on his swing a long time.
I ran across a tip from Saguto a while back after spending the winter and most of the spring working on my swing and just not making good solid contact - or at least not consistently and I have always struggled to hit the ball first and take a divot. Plus it was not the smooth effortless swing I really wanted. I cannot recall what I searched for specifically but I saw a video from him on keeping you left arm straight (something I did not do) and putting your weight on the lead side. Well I was fricking amazed at how much better my ball striking got and I mean like immediately. I had not struck the ball that pure....pretty much ever. It was a game changer. He also encourages taking a more comfortable back swing and not trying to overturn which I was doing in spades which made for a very effort-full swing not effortless.
But like you I have watched so many YT videos and been down so many rabbit holes I was leery to say the least. I also wanted that less complicated swing like you mentioned too. I chatted with Tom a bit and watched some other videos of his pretty much re-enforcing these main concepts and have spent the summer practicing in my yard - 150+ swings a day. Due to health issues and recent surgery, I was not able to use anything but my irons, but still the results seemed to be there - it was undeniable… this one single video had transformed my swing. I have never hit the ball so pure and the sound is nice and crisp. Plus the big one…it’s effortless, consistent and fricking fun.
So far I have just hit mainly birdie balls (a very accurate feeling and flying limited flight ball that has proven to be very accurate) with an occasional real ball mixed in just to see if it’s the real deal and the game changer I was looking for - and it appears to be all of that. I just don't see to hit real bad shots anymore. I know it sounds crazy, but it's true.
Just so happens I will be taking my new swing to the course for the first time tomorrow. Just a small par 3 because I can’t swing a driver yet, but I am very confident it will go well and I will be on my way to breaking 80. I am not saying this will work for everyone because we are all different and one swing style might work for someone and not for others - I just know it worked for me. But I am a student of the game and practice junkie and retired so I have the time and desire it takes to work on my game. If all goes well I plan to become a member and see what else he has to offer. I'd love to get to a single digit Hcp if possible.
Great stuff Rob and thanks for sharing. Nice to see this sort of validated by someone a lot better than me.
I’ve watched this video a few times and that “not even close” cracks me up every time 🤣😂🤣 - plus there’s good info to be found here.
I’m now 66 years old and I began playing golf by accident when I was 15 due to a broken right leg. I actually played 27 holes a day with six clubs, a few golf balls . . . and using crutches. I was stack and tilt in 1973. Was not only able to spin my club spl golf balls back 2’-8’ but made my first hole in one that first year. No more baseball. . . hooked on golf. Played college golf, turned pro after school and am a pga life member. It’s the simplest way to swing a club. If I miss hit shots, it’s usually a thin shot. And ya know what we say about thin shots. Tom’s honesty and personality is very enlightening, entertaining and refreshing. I highly recommend that folks follow him.
I just stumbled across Tom’s videos, and I agree, his videos are great, and funny! Simple instructions with great results!
Wow...the sound coming off the club is sooo beautiful...I might use it as a ringtone
As soon as I saw you take a swing in the intro I went "Hey that's gotta be Saguto". He's completely changed how I look at golf. He's the Pareto of golf. 20% of the effort for 80% of the results. You're not gonna go compete on tour or drive it 350, but you'll be consistent, straight, and confident in your shots.
Exactly what I thought😂
are there any tour pros using the stack and tilt?
@@The1badgolfer Harold Varner III is probably the closest? But frankly, who cares? I'm not gonna be a tour pro, I just want a simple, repeatable swing that allows me to have fun and score well without spending 100s of hours on the range to keep it dialed in.
@@ryanoneill585 right on, now I have to give up my dreams on the tour. Thanks for the reply, and I love how Harold Varner III plays as well as his demeaner.
What's Dechambeau use? haha
Tom's guide to stack and tilt helped me get my game back on track after an 8 year hiatus. I had heard about this method before but totally forgot about it and stumbled onto one of his videos and like you, his thoughts and suggestions resonated with me. I gave it a go and after a few swings I was making consistent contact and my ball flight resembled what it once looked like 8 years ago. Enjoy the journey!
Great video, desperate too see how you get on at the course.
Just about Every shot looked and sounded pure 👌
The sound of those shots was so good. Been a fan of Saguto for some time. When you do what he says it works.
I really enjoyed your video and discovery. I too have tried the stacked golf style swing with some pretty good success. The issue I ran into and still from time to time run into is over analyzing the details of the swing and just get in my head with all sorts of thoughts. The swing style works best (at least in my experience) when I simply allow myself to "feel" like I'm staying on my left side and then only focusing on the target (very very important) and swing away. The logic in your mind allows you to automatically swing hands forward and not needing to shift the weight and worry about wrist flex and whatnot. Anyhoo, I've been plagued with my own thoughts and just yesterday after a horrible first 9 holes, discovered that I had gotten WAY away from stacked golf swing and out of frustration, made the adjustment and it was like putting on an old favorite leather jacket; it just felt right again. While it may not be a big deal to many, I ended up only shooting 4 over par for the 2nd nine holes and that's awesome for my game. Just thought I'd share. Really looking forward to your future content.
Yeah I've always found that one swing thought is plenty for the course!
Hi Rob, like you I would never have given this a go but I have been at a loss for nearly 6 years (6 hcp to 12) so have tried it since you posted the video and very impressed so far. Mainly for the simple understanding of it all rather than complicated hip bump ect. I will let you know how I get on in a comp at the weekend!
I saw your first swing and knew you had found Tom Saguto. Stack and Tilt is the best and Tom describes it perfectly!
Tom Saguto!!! I had the same reaction my first time out on the driving range.. Made me want to keep hitting more and more balls... Feels incredible.
You have greata impact on your swings. I have better impact on my 3 wood, which was always hard to get distance. thanks.
That is the way Tom Saguto teaches people how to swing. All weight on lead leg just like your doing. Thank you for the video
Looks really different! Much less swaying. Glad it's working for you. Good luck on the course, looking forward to hearing how you get on.
Yeah, makes sense to me that not moving off the ball so much will help with the chunks!
Rob has been swaying a lot in his recent videos and swinging a bit too long and loose. But you're still way better than me.
Hey Rob - welcome to the family! Tom is indeed a really good coach and it is interesting the different interpretation you took away! S&T is nowhere as bad as people suggested years ago and yup it works!
It’s amazing after watching lots of golf channels and instruction that from the first swing I recognized it was stack and tilt. Glad it’s working for you, I have not been successfull in my attempts at learning it.
Watched a lot of sagutogolf videos and definitely worth a watch as it's helped my golf tremendously, great video and great shout out keep up the great work Rob :)
Been a member of Saguto golf for years he's a great teacher definitely improved my game 6 hdcp
Oh my!! That looks so good Rob. That's completely in balance, no sway looks totally in control. Good job. So stand on the left foot - stay centered no head movement - and don't over cock the shaft, or overswing it. All looks so very connected.
One of the better videos I have seen; very good. `in and around: should feel like you have a shorter back swing'. `Keeping centered over the ball with more weight on your lead leg.' Yes it is excellent that you are bringing together much of the main points given to us by SagutoGolf. Liked this video even though I have seen most of SagutoGolf's videos.
Looks soooo smooth and effortless.
Hi Rob , great to see you back on RUclips. I had the same experience as you with S&T a few years ago. It makes total sense. Most top coach’s now advocate the methods in one way or another , it just that at the the time S&T for a bad reputation for no reason really. I’ve had lessons with certified S&T instructors and that helped a lot. On Tom’s channel you can see him getting lessons from the coaches that developed the system. Definitely watch Rob Cheney and Nick Taylor , they are certified teachers and highly regarded PGA teachers also. Stick with it and ingrain and you will definitely play better golf. It got me from 18 to 6 over 2 years. Good luck 👍🏼
I changed my swing to Tom's stack and tilt 2 years ago and got my handicap back to under 10. Now it's a bit higher with some other swing thoughts, maybe have to try it again. It's a very simple technique, many senior golfers would surely benefit using it. I'm 63.
Fantast every time a swing comes together. I was on the course the other day, hitting poorly, and tried s&t. I hit the green, and my first par of the day. Finished the round that way, shot my best this summer. Need to get to the range and dial it in a bit. Have watch Tom's youtube for some time, just never tried on a course. I'm thinking this will be my new swing.
Thanks for the report, and play well.
Thanks for giving us a glimpse at the changes!
Thanks for this Rob - I have been having issues with my swing as well - I'm going to give this a try - Cheers
Good day Rob, I started this swing 2-months ago and I can't tell you how much my game has improved to a single digit handicap. I was hitting behind the ball so much and even my driver was hitting the ground at times. I was a player that tried everything to see what would work and I can tell you I will not be trying anything else but this from here on out. I'm glad to see there is others out there experiencing the same thing I have with this swing. Good Luck and keep it in the fairway.
Your swing looks so much better! You can hear the compression and the rip as the ball flies.
Love the opening montage with you loving every shot. So different from the more common moan after a terrible shot on the course!
Stack and tilt looking good. Keep it up Rob
Great video. I just found Tom on RUclips as well which is probably why the algorithm brought you up on my feed. I am learning through your video and experience as well. Thanks for sharing…
I’m all about Porzak Golf at the moment. Just seems to resonate with me.
Not loads of technical thoughts, well explained, plenty of different drills so if 1 way doesn’t work for you then you can try others
Porzak Golf has helped me the most out of all the channels I've found. Fixed my set up problems. Much more consistent now. I think finding someone you resonate with is the most important aspect of golf videos.
Interesting to watch ‘ I’ve watched Tom for a while now and need to start trusting it on the course ‘ I have a classic RUclips golf swing at the moment and need to stick to one theory ‘
Thanks for posting and reminding me ‘
Tom's vids transformed my game to start my golf season and Ive been rolling with it ever since. Crispy Contact all day.
I also discovered this and it has changed my game
Thanks Rob for posting this video. I've started using this down the range today, and can't believe how simple it is! I checked out Tom's channel and signed up for his 3 videos which are a must to watch. Thanks again I look forward to seeing more of your golf journey.
Hi tried this out today for the first time am a 15 handicap golfer and had the best round ever shot 78 it felt so easy 👍
First rule of stack and tilt is you don't talk about stack and tilt! 🤫 🤣 stick with it mate, it completely revolutionised my game! Also Tom is by far the best coach on RUclips!
Good to see you back Rob. I tried Stack and Tilt ( Saguto style) and yes it worked better than PGA style golf for me, yet my back did get rather sore. I tried a variant which encouraged " stillness" in the body and I found I could do that without the back issue. It was the Jim Venetos system. In time I have incorporate a slightly open stance ( ideas from Steve Jonson's Eureka swing) which helped with my alignment, and maybe when I am looking for a big draw with driver I try Marcus Edblad's method.
I discovered Tom about a year ago and he has changed my swing for the better. My ball contact is more pure and consistent than before. My only issue is that I have not been able to transfer my range shots to the course consistently. I am hoping this comes soon. I really enjoyed the fact that a non-PGA professional, like yourself, is bringing Tom's teachings to RUclips for all to view. Good luck on your journey and keep hitting your shots "crispy like KFC".
Totally agree. It''s really hard to trust, but the real secret is how you set the legs SLIGHTLY to the target (Both of them) And NOT go stupid on them. Wink, wink. KInda downward and in maybe? Aka Ben Hogan.
Tom Saguto is great. Ive been following him for quite a long time. It’s works 😊
I've been playing golf for a long time. I have that exact problem of "fanning the wrists" taking the club back. It's engrained now. So had come across that advice, I was told hands in and clubhead outside off the hands. Also tried stack and tilt a coulple of years ago. Worked for awhile but I tend to have a low ball flight and found long irons were too low. With driver staying stacked give me a fade to slice. Another golf pro teacher told me when I was having swing problems to imagine swinging as if I was in a barrel. So seems to be much along the lines of what you are saying. Looked a bit of a bleak, windy practice area 😀. Sometimes I wonder on practice area where you are hitting ball after ball have you just got into a nice rhytmn shot after shot. Then it's different on course. Another teaching pro said after a certain age it's just about rhytmn. Good luck with it all you put in some dedicated practice there. Interesting video.
I knew right at the beginning that you were talking about stack and tilt and Tom Saguto. Stack and tilt works but like all golf systems it depends on how you process the whole thing.
I'm seeing my problems thru you as we speak and I'm changing everything about my swing based on moving the weight forward, when it happens correctly and the ball flies smoothly, it's such a great feeling. I'm also a Tom Saguto fan :)
For sone time over the winter my golf was getting worse and worse and I ended up in the net in the rain shanking balls into the corner of the net. I could have easily given up. I happened upon one of Toms short tips. Just about keeping the left arm straight. The next day the very first ball I hit had compression on it like I hadn’t had for weeks. This gave me hope. I still have problems don’t get me wrong, mainly mental blocks, but I was nutting the ball again as good as I have ever done. Now I’ve signed up to tons course so that I feel commitment and also to days thanks to him for this ONE tip that turned things around. Anyway, roll on 2024, I have hope at least. It’s funny but as soon as I saw your swing I thought “stack and tilt” and then “Saguto”. 😂😂😂play well.
For me golf is like hitting a softball. We all develop our own swing based on fabulous videos like this one.
Saguto has some really great content. Thanks for the in depth review.
Saguto, seems a very popular way to play the game and I’m sure helps to improve strike. This is definitely a quick fix swing for amateurs. It’s like anything in this game however if you get too
fixated on one part of the swing ie loading 85% of your weight over the lead side may work wonders at first but you may find it puts extra stress on the back and you could end up loosing much needed hip rotation. If the golf swing should be like throwing a ball, the natural way to do it wouldn’t be keeping 85% of the weight over you lead leg in doing so. Would be interesting to see how this pans out for you. I’m open to all ideas. Good luck 🍻
as soon as you stood with your weight forward is said Tom Saguto. Tried his swing and it helps get better contact. my issue is my trail foot slipping and over drawing it.
Its the sound. The contact with the ground and the ball flight sounds amazing keep up the good work.
I like it, some months back I tried keeping my weight on my led foot and I was striking the irons very good, then I watched some instruction videos and everyone said not to do that, so I went back to trying it there way and it didn’t work for me. I’m excited to try it again your swing looks very simple and compact without a lot of moving around. Thank you for this tip, I will get back and let you know how it works for me. Questions do you do the same for Driver, fairway woods and hybrids ?. Can you tell your ball flight also draw or fade?Thank you.
Been following Tom for several years ...after back surgery needed to change my swing. He is the best . There is another guy from Fla Jess Frank who teaches st..he is very good too.
So that’s what stack and tilt is eh? I’d heard the term plenty of times but never bothered to look into it. Interesting concept and you definitely looked like you were swinging well there Rob so best of luck with it 👍 Get a course vlog up soon. Think we’d all enjoy that.
One thing you mentioned in the video was that your thin and heavy shots with the new method were happening when you felt like you rushed it or were pulling down excessively. I don’t use the method you were displaying but, after watching Xander Schauffele win at the Scottish Open in July, I have really concentrated on adopting his amazing tempo into my swing. Got my handicap down from 4.5 to 0.1 since then, shot under par a few times and had my lowest ever round of five under a couple of weeks ago so results have been great. Appreciate that it might be hard to incorporate another swing thought into your mind when you’re learning and trying to ingrain new patterns but it’s a simple, non technical thought that could be the final piece of the puzzle for you 👍
Hello. As you were hitting balls into the sun, will you be investing in a ball tracker for our visual aid?
Some of those shots sounded so pure, Will defo be interesting to see how you get round on the course with it. Look forward to it. I'll check the Tom out as well.
oh man.. your reaction when you hit that first 2i... gold! Going to give this a go.
I’m definitely going to give this a try. Quick question though… where should ball placement be when you’re leaning that far towards the lead side?? Thanks.
Please give us an update from the course .... thank you very much for this interesting swing ideas ... 😀
Hi Rob. It seems remarkably similar to Rob Cheney’s wrench drill. I tried it for a while, initially with remarkable results. However on the course the draws became hooks and I gave up with it. Perhaps as amateurs correct weight transfer on the downswing is our biggest difficulty and keeping weight on the left side accounts for why most people , at least at first, find it great. But this was of course just my experience!
What you've effectively done is slowly convinced your brain to keep the clubface in a more modern toe-down orientation on the way back and through - obviously different than the old-school toe-up to toe-up then rotate the forearms through impact technique. Now that you are comfortable doing this, you can make the first move back, less inside, and straighten out your curvatures. Welcome to the new world of clubface matching your spine angle. Great video
I stumbled across Tom's channel n YT's algorithm a year or so ago and became an instant fan of his approach. As you were introducing the film, the way you were talking I was thinking is he talking about Saguto?! And yes, you were! Crispy Mash Potatoes!! Your ball striking even sounds like his :)
Stack and tilt is a great and consistent method.
Hate golf, hate golf. Great shot. Love golf, love golf.
I have been very inconsistent after coming back to golf after 2 years of not playing, will give this a go. And it would be really nice to see you on the course with this swing.
Tried it after watching your video and was like ‘OMG’ never struck a ball like that before! You got me saying have I solved golf! Lol
Ya can always tell when ya hit it clean. Shshshsh!! Sounds great.
Definitely try this out!
Yet another great video Rob!
I came back to golf after twenty years. It's fair to say that I have struggled to improve consistently despite getting one on one coaching. I saw your video and immediately signed up for the three free sessions. Tried it tonight and I have never hit the ball better, even 20 years ago when I was a single figure player. It just felt effortless. Question though, are you going to do his golf swing simplified programme?
Looks much more solid/compact, good work mate. I took one of those inflatable balls that you put between your arms to the driving range and felt like a total knob.
I recently saw this fella on a youtube short, looked really good and I tried it too! Interesting you came across it at a similar time it seems, interested also to see how easy the changes translate to playing on the course (my experience is that's really hard to do)
Looks so good!
You could tell with the sound you were striking it nice be interesting to see how you get on in a round.
Had this a go today after watching your vid. I've watched Tom a fair bit but loved how you summed it up. I only did parts 1&2 and found it worked really well! There was no chance it was going right and the ball striking was great. 1 under par for last three holes and i play off 13 so that was very tidy! Cheers for this mate!
I've been trying same thing with the weight forward and it worked for me too
I am totally amazed when I see players like you striping the ball. I have tried so many swing methodologies and have yet to find a better swing than the mediocre one I possess. Breaking 90 continues to elude me.
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Tom method is straight stack and tilt. Which isn’t new but people in the industry have hated on it. Part of it cause of tour players. But what Tom does better than the majority of other teachers of this method is how he explains it. My buddy and somebody I coach from time to time watches Tom’s vids as well. When I can’t explain something as well I refer to his videos.
Yes be good to see it on the course Rob , I use some of Toms Odesa’s especially left shoulder down I think it makes backswing so much easier.
Hey man, I been following you for years. I'm chasing the same thing. Good to see ya back at it. If it works go with it
Tom is great he changed my entire game. Good stuff man please follow up on this.
Hi I've just watched your video I new it was Tom who you are talking about I'm still mixed about whether to continue with the stack and tilt no one where I live teachers it I spoken to 3 coaches and they all have said leave it alone I live in Peterborough so I'm looking for others who use this swing. It's a very simple swing if it works for you I do quite well with it on the range but playing golf I end up to now always going back to my old swing. Steven
Hey Rob, I remember the left knee thing in your video with Liam, I've watched a lot of Tom's videos and can also recommend Shawn Clements who's also basically Stack and Tilt and is excellent at describing the feel you need to get. Good luck on your journey, I've been following your channel for quite some time, and it's good to see the optimism back.
Cheers dude!
Shawn clement isn't a&t.
@@jimwocha4949 I was just going to say Clement is not s&t.
Very interesting Rob. I have tried Saguto/SAT golf off and on. Recently returned to it. I have given up on this technique with driver as I saw no benefit from it. Loved your hair buzz video. I’ve been considering that myself.
Great video, can’t wait to see how the new swing goes on the course
How is your swing thought in the down swing? How do you get the speed with this method?
Hi Rob, I have also signed up to Tom but would also like to reinforce it with a actual SnT coach in England, but am really struggling to find one, have you had any luck finding one
Some elements of this swing are similar to Jim Venetos. JV’s swing is even more simple and easy to do. I highly recommend it. It has made golf fun for me again!
looking forward to the course version!
Haven't tried it yet but will be tmrw, looks a great way to help players who don't get weight transferred on to left side , almost guaranteed to finish swing, no sway is the way forward for me , Cheers for this.
Please do he on course video 📹 looking forward to it 😀
Shots sounded good & centred 👍
What Tom Saguto video did you watch & learn from?
Really interesting vid mate…curious to know if it would discourage a fade - which I wouldn’t really want?