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Hello i have a simmiliar request on Mecca and Medina, who hold those holy city for the longest time, i am curious about the famitid and the sharifian Dynasty rule on that city, the sharifian Dynasty or today the hashemite of Jordan has held that region since fatimid era and keep hold those city until the Ottoman era but as vassal , they have become vassal of the fatimid , ayyubid , mamalik , Abbasid( ayyubid and mamalik both were nominal vassal of abbasid) and the Ottoman z they being defeated by the Saudi Arabia like in your Asian monarch chart , o have to ask you because of the sectenarian tendency i have. Sorry for telling you this, but the salafi sect claimed the those two holy city always at their hand , yeah i have sectenarian intention but what they claim is very far from the truth , i cannot let this false claim
I visited, and what amazed me is the Roman architecture is actually some of the newer stuff. They have to dig through this to get to the pre Roman buildings. Truly a historic city.
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want. Simple. Very simple. It's not a thousands of years matter. Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
It is a challenging place for archeology because of the sensitive politics and the religious demands that the public often tries to place on the practice of archeology. It also is famous for drawing lots of pseudoarcheology, as are al sites with any connection to the bible. Curiously, however, most of the pseudoarcheology is from a Christian POV.
Archaeologists been searching for salmon temple for years they don't find it till now . Either there is no salmon temple and it is just religious myths that have nothing to do with real history, or they are searching in the wrong country. They should try to searche for salmon temple in Iran or Africa or yemeni
I'd love to see more of these city charts, maybe for places like Rome, Istanbul, or London. It's interesting to see how broader historical events can impact specific places.
Those cities have far fewer times that they change hands. Jerusalem was always on the periphery of larger empires so changed hands quite often. Those cities were the centres of empires.
London could be interesting between the Roman invasion up to the unification of England as it changed hands a few times during the Viking era. However after that it’s not really worth continuing as it would always be a part of England/Great Britain.
Based on this presentation, Italy should administrate Jerusalem. Muslims can use the Dome on Friday, Jews on Saturday, and Christians on Sunday. Monday thru Thursday it is open to tourists.
I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation on media. Well it should not surprise me. So many look at history since 1900s and don't understand the amount of conflict this land has had. This is an important video! Thank you
Currently ILLEGALY OCCUPIED BY THE ZIONIST STATE. Jews lived there 1300 BCE, but that does not mean they can come now and colonize it! Imagine if descendants of Pharo come and say we want Egypt back, ancient Egypt was ours 2000+ years ago, and now I want my Egypt. INSANE. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS INSANITY
@@asemyamak3984 Jews were THERE TILL 636 CE. Only during / after Caliph Umar's invasion... the JEWS were totally driven out of their land. New Temple which was NEVER THERE before... was built on the same destroyed site of the Jewish Temple!!! Usurping somebody's land and religious sites!! IF.... the Pharoh's happen to return and have the required POWER to reclaim their land... give it back... and return to where you belong...to the place from where you started conquering all the adjacent lands...... the Arabian Deserts! Digest it and learn to coexist 'Salaam'fully.
the whole graph has been green since 600 AD but the guy still manages to put the Romans and the Jews at the top of the ranking! intellectual dishonesty... the truth is that Jerusalem has been in a Muslim fold for 14 centuries, that is the truth
@@bait5257 Of the 3 Abrahamic religions Judism is the oldest, Christianity came next, and Islam came last. The Muslims of Islam owned Jerusalem longer than the Christians, who owned it longer than the Jews. Basically, the younger religions had the holy land longer than the oldest
Let's fix it! it should be a Atheist Ohio controlled city. No religion allowed in the city. Why? Because YOU ALL WON'T PLAY NICELY. why ohio? because it's all ohio
Don't forget Rome as well -it was besieged many times starting with the Gauls in 300 BC and then by many others like Hannibal then the Vandals and Goths/the Byzantines too/the Goths again and the worst occupation of the lot was in about 1517 when the armies of the Holy Roman Empire of Charles V who was fighting the pope is supposed to have wreaked more death and destruction than any of the ancient sieges and plundering.
The root cause of the wars is because of religious nutters, Muslims and Jews and Christians. NONE of them have ANY right to rule over a land, They are just religions. People who live there need to run the place, and their religious faith should stay in their homes, never brought into consideration in real life. The people that live there, come from many nations and cultures, they are multicultural, no religious cult gets to lord it over the next cult of religious nutters.
I mean, it wouldn't be that surprising if you told him a year ago that a conflict was going to start again between Israel and Palestine. It's sorta been on and off for the past 80 years.
Going into this video I kindof rolled my eyes at the thought of "yet another RUclips video which would probably devolve into bias", but was pleasantly surprised to see nothing glossed over in early history and a fairly objective view of the whole matter. Well done! Edit: Do not delve into the replies to my comment if you value your sanity. To the commenters, never change.
@@Nooticus Clearly I do not. I've seen a good number of their videos, but this topic in particular I have seen cause pitfalls in many history youtubers before.
@@thegamingwolf5612 Depending on the author's bias, discussion on the ownership or the religion of the Levant usually glosses over the periods of time when it was under a religion they do not like - thus giving the respective periods far less attention and appearing to the audience as unimportant.
I disagree with the count of the control by religions, I find it inaccurate for the Arab Empire segment. The period of Jerusalem under the Rashidiun till the 1st Crusade was still a mostly Christian city, although under Islamic rule. Jews were banned from the city under Roman law since the Bar Kochba revolt (other than in the brief Persian period), and so the city had a Christian population beforehand. When the Rashidiun conquered the city and the region in general, they did not replace or forcefully convert anyone, rather Jews and Christians ("Ahl al Qitab", people of the book) lived under a set of Islamic laws. In general, after the Arab conquest of this region, the conversion of locals to Islam was particularly slow and not on large scale at all, unlike places such as Persia which converted almost in an instant.
@@mustipunyaemail Probably people taking the Islamic State and thinking that they represent all of Islam, although to be fair it was Jews and Christians (and Zoroastrians?) who were not forced to convert, Pagans for example were definitely forced in some places...
There was no instant conversion in Persia either. First known mosque in Persia was dated to 10th century and until then and even afterwards for many decades, many people known to history from that area didn't have Arabic names. The Caliphates didn't really like when people converted to Islam because this lowered their tax revenue, conversion was mostly a very gradual process of intermingling and absorption.
@@postyoda I really can't remember what was the name of the book but I have a memory of reading somewhere e that even untill the 10th century there were a ton of Zoroastrians in Persia, probably a majority
I think it's really interesting that the city has been totally destroyed several times and also most of it's citizens killed, and still it's been rebuilt by new people over and over.
Jesus said ''The citizens of Jerusalem will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. *Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles* until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled''. Luke 21:24. Recorded by Luke around 60 AD, before the destruction of Jerusalem.
I'm glad you counted the Byzantines as the Romans, because while the distinction is important, it'd feel disingeuous to call the direct continuation of the same empire a "different" owner Edit: ware the replies, people here LOVE to pretend that romans aren't romans because their capital city moved
@@irdorath356 Well, Greek speaking Romans still consider themselves as Romans. They were the Roman Empire. I guess it would be similar if English speaking Canada were to be conquered by someone but the French speaking area would remain being Canada and their inhabitants would keep feeling and being called Canadian.
@@tock02 Well, only the ruling elite had SOME Roman origin, not even all of them. As for the population, it genetically always remained Greek or Eastern or whatever.
@@irdorath356 the fact is that they referred to themselves as romans, continued every roman institution that was present, etc. it's not like someone came in and conquered the eastern half of the empire and proclaimed themselves romans, it was the same people, the rest of the mediterannean (and the persians, and arabs, and pretty much all subsequent muslims that battled them) considered them the romans as well, until it was more convenient to pretend they weren't romans so they could claim that lineage instead. Ethnicity and Nationality are two entirely different things.
@@bakubread9308 pretty much any Germanic tribe resettled on Roman territory called themselves Romans and adopted the Imperial lifestyle. Longbeards an Ostrogoths at least posessed the city of Rome, unlike the Byzantines.
This is BY FAR THE BEST historical & factual presentation of the timeline of Jerusalem. Love all your videos. Please continue your great work. Supporting from the South East Asia, Malaysia 🇲🇾
For some reason he didn't make the Fatimids part of the Arab Empire, though they were arabs. Adding them to the Arab Empire gives it 463 years to Arab political control, making it the 2nd longest political control, under the romans and above the israelites.
@@Vichikumano they are not. There are European Jews there as well but some Jews were already there. Palestinian Arabs are from Egypt and Jordan. They literally share the exact same DNA
Can you do a video on the various sects and schisms within Judaism? Especially the second temple period? Also, I would like to know the differences between the rabbinical Judaism and the Pharisees and where they differed in regards to theology (cuz we all know they that Rabbinical Judaism offshooted from the Pharisees Sect, but they weren't identical)
Oooo! I wonder if Matt can talk about controversies caused by potential contradictions in the writings of the different authors. On the top of my head, it's more of a Christian schism but it's Old Testament: I wonder if scholars believe Exodus 20:4 to be written by the same author(s) as let's say Exodus 25:18-22. Those seem to be the two most commonly talked about lines in the iconoclast/iconophile thingy.
You can ask the same about the various sects and schism within Islam? Which were even more varied and disparate during that entire timeline. Today the Arabs don't even acknowledge the Ottomans. So much so, turkish tv series Ertugal is NOT shown and/or banned in Arab nations. Lol
It’s “nothing and everything”… referring to how it’s nothing to the Christians because they were prepared to burn it down rather than give it to the muslims. And how it’s everything for the muslims because they would rather die than see it burn.
Jerusalem belongs to the Jews! I’m not even Jewish but it’s their city originally so why should Arabian Muslims get it when it was founded by Jews and Abraham of monotheism is originally a Jewish concept? Arabs are so envious of Jews it’s actually embarrassing.
AMAZING! This is exactly the video i had been wishing someone did for years! The fact that in the end it was you that did it, with your in-depth research, your unbiased ways of explaining the facts and your truly remarkable way of showing data, is just perfect! Thank you.
If that historical timeline has proven anything it's that military power decides the legitimacy of claim to dominion not only of Jerusalem but any plot of land. The jewish state of Israel currently holds dominion over it because they have the military strength to assert that claim. The Palestinians disputing it doesn't mean anything because they don't have the military strength to invalidate Israels claim. Might may not make right but it certainly does decide who makes the rules in the real world.
What logic is that? so what about WW2? Germany had the power, why did the world fight them? and what about Russia and Ukraine? if Russia have the military power that give them the right to occupy Ukraine? When Christians occupied it, they killed both Muslims and Jews, and when Jews occupied it they killed and still killing Muslim and Christians, but when Muslim took it they did not kill anyone, and you can read about Umar the 2nd Khalifa and Salahuddin.
@@amjadabdullah1878false, look at the chart right here, Islam was invented by zealots in the 600s ad, Judaism was invented by fertile crescent farmers on 3000 or so BC, so how did Islam spread so far and wide? Murder, Slaughter, Conversion by sword, exile of Jews and Christians, Exile of Seculars which were often slashed to bits during the 700-1500 ad periods. 800 years of mass slaughter and 1600-today was rife with Exile and Murder of Apostates. You are a joke and thankfully hold no power in the west.
@amjadabdullah1878 get your facts straight. The muslims who took Jerusalem from the christian crusaders did so by killing them. In the past 150 years, muslims have killed numerous jews in the city, not to mention the country as a whole. It is only when jews defend themselves that the arabs cry that they're the victims. Only yesterday a boarder-policewoman was killed by a Palestinian attacker. These attacks have been happening every once in a while for god knows how many years. In the '90s there were palestinian suicide bombers blowing up busses. The list goes on and on. My wife's grandfather witnessed his grandmother being killed in an ally in the old city of Jerusalem when he was a young boy sometime in the 1920s. So don't just chant slogans. Look for the facts and seek the truth.
@@amjadabdullah1878That was not the claim the poster was arguing for. He did not state that military force makes someone right, but rather effective military strength determines who occupies what set of lands. Germany did not have the effective military strength to maintain and conquer The USSR and the other Allies. Russia does not have the necessary military strength to occupy all of Ukraine. The poster is not claiming might is right; they are simply stating an observation that might is involved in occupation.
@@TitaniusAnglesmithAnglesmith, "There not too much we can know about this city between the years 2000 and 1000BCE...The only thing that be safely assumed about this period is that the city was likely under the control of the Egyptian new kingdom...because we know that the Egyptians controlled most of the Levant during those years." . Thus, he contradicts himself. . Then he gleefully talks about how that basically negates what the Holy Bible says. . He needs to repent of his denigration of the holy words of God, and refrain from contradicting himself in the future. .
@@earlysda None of that is a contradiction. The bible is wrong. Might want to look up the dictionary definition of the word, but seeing as you presumably think the bible is accurate, a book with truth in it must be witchery.
@@earlysda obviously you are no less delusional, but you are correct in saying that he contradicted himself by creating the arbitrary start of control of the land with the Judahites. The Egyptians reigned and there were likely a number of civilizations inhabiting in the thousands of years prior. History has clearly been tampered with by the religions of past and present (including the scientific religion)
It's wild how relevant this video has become and honestly important with all the misinformation being spread on Social Media. You do important work in this case you could say "Gods Work". Thank you.
@ADSHYN the misinformation that Jerusalem belongs and should belong to palestinian colonizers, which is false. Even more so if we are talking about gazans, who were never in Jerusalem, and were not for thousands of years.
@bwolos when are yall gonna realize that both Jews and Palestinians have valid claims to the area? Just fucking stop killing each other, live next to each other as neighbors, peacefully. I know that's idealistic and unrealistic of me to want, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why it's such a radical and unlikely idea/ outcome
@@bwolosneither were zionists but you ain't complaining about that now are you?! The notion that one is entitled to a land based on the presumed devine is inherently racist and suggests superiority which goes against every single virtue of judaism. And if anything disgracing the religion. Zionists are the colonizers not the palestinians
The analysis was fantastic and completely unbiased. On the question on who should be in control, my question is what point in history do we go back to? Should the Romans or Italians be put back in control? Treaties that try to go back in history and remake a country have failed miserably throughout history with the biggest failure of all time being the Treaty of Versailles that tried this exact same thing and has caused ten of millions of deaths. Why does the world care that the Jewish people are given a tiny strip of land of really no importance. The Palestinians have no claim to the land and why doesn’t Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Syria give them some land.
“Treaties that try to go back in history and remake a country have failed miserably throughout history…” I agree with this, but you then contradict yourself by saying the Palestinians have no claim to the land. How does that make sense? Who *does* have a claim to the land? The vast majority of Israelis are descended from Europeans who colonized Israel after WW2. The Palestinians are not. Who do you think has a “claim” on the land if you think that: 1. “Treaties that create historical nations fail miserably”… and: 2. “The Palestinians have no claim on the land” It seems you don’t think either should live in the Levant?? “Why does the world care that the Jewish people are given a tiny strip of land of really no importance.” Well, apparently you should considering you stated that treaties that attempt to re-create historical states “have failed miserably.” “why doesn’t Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Syria give them some land.” What? Why? Why would a foreign country give people of another country land?? How does that make any sense? It isn’t the fault of those nations that the West Bank (the majority of de jure Palestinian territory) has been illegaly occupied by Israel since 1967. “On the question on who should be in control, my question is what point in history do we go back to?“ Well, we don’t have to answer that as it was decided in 1948. If our predecessors had gone about the creation of the modern state of Israel in a competent way then the situation in the region might not be so turbulent. Although, extreme zionism and Israeli colonization of Palestine as well as Islamic terrorism also deserve much of the blame. Calling the land of Israel and Palestine “a tiny strip of land of really no importance“ severely downplays the religious and cultural importance the area has had for followers of Abrahamic religions for millennia. Judaism + Islam = good, can co-exist peacefully Zionism, colonization + Islamic terrorism = bad, will cause unending warfare
@@Bubba___ I dunno, isn't the area trending towards peaceful? That is what it looks like to me. Maybe not in the 1000 year perspective, but looking at the last 75 it seems to cool down.
@@davidwebber8454the Canaanites, Philistines and the first Arab tribes who lived there centuries before prophet 1braham even born and moved to it whom modern Palestinians are the decedents so ur claims are false only ppl who have the right to claim this land are the modern Palestinians livin there for centuries who are mvslims, J3ws and Chr1stians who are the decedents of th0s3 Canaanites and 2 tribes of ppl m0vin there I mentioned not the European j3ws who's ancestors are European k1cked from their countries and f0rcibly st3alin their land and that's the only truth here
Based on it's history, I believe it should be one state tolerant of all religions as well as equal representation. In my opinion, the two state solution will alienate people further, and create conflict/boarder wars down the line.
When it's one state, the muhammedans will try to get in power, and dominate over Jews and Christians. If they make one state with Jews and Palestinians, the Palestinians will try to take over. They will try to get more and more children, until they have larger numbers, than marginalise non muhammedans.
@@Thumper17 No, that will only work for a short amount of time. The Jews will always claim Jerusalem, it's their most important city, for Christians it is also the holiest city, But we know when Jesus was in Jerusalem it was Jewish so why should we fight the Jews to make it Christian. we could take Jerusalem in 1 day I promise you, but we can never keep it, because the Jews will always want it back and respect for that. We could take it and make it UN Neutral city, but in 200 years there is no UN, paradigms changes, but forever Jerusalem is the Jews's home, you people don't understand this. As an ally of Israel we can only support them, and hope they will be kind to the descendants of those who conquered their home.
I think an interesting video to do would be "Who would be Caliph today?" following some of the main lines of successions: Ali's Dynasty through Hasan, Ali's Dynasty through Husayn and Musa al-kadhim, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Fatimids, and the Ottomans. Some of these would be pretty easy, but I think others would be extremely difficult, or at least interesting. Where'd the Abbasids go, and the Umayyads and Fatimids?
Will bro the caliph system in it's first days didn't have to do anything near blood line it was election conceal give a certain name and if people like ok if people didn't they go for another name will until the Umayyad came and they miss it up and make it blood related thing
Harun Osman is the current head of the Ottoman dynasty. The other caliphates are more complicated because they weren't necessarily hereditary but were instead controlled by clans.
Why would he ask something so controversial? Considering that Jerusalem today already belongs in a country and an attempt to change that would definitely lead to war.
If we're using the Bible as a historical source, I'm curious why you started counting from the reign of David and not from the conquest of Joshua, which would have added several hundred years to the "Judaism" tally. Thanks for a great video!
Because there are no records to suggest a Jewish exodus from Egypt, nor is there evidence to suggest Joshua’s conquest of Jericho. The story of the Exodus is false because the Israelites always lived in Canaan alongside the Canaanites. Sorry to break it to you
@@aegis408Leave it to some guy on youtube to tell you what happened. Rather than a 3,000 year old collection of testimony. Let me tell you something very important: A lack of history from one nation does not discredit a surplus of evidence from another nation. Especially since the Jews, I dare to say, are the only group of people in the middle east to have survived from ancient times to present day. The egyptians are gone, the persians are gone, the babylonians are gone, the assyrians are gone, the phillistines are gone, the Hittites are gone, and the list goes on. Their records left abandoned or destroyed.
That was actually a very good summary of the history of Jerusalem for an outsider like myself. Lots of information in a short and concise narrative. Thanks very much. I will have to look at what you have to say for other cities/nations in the region including Egypt which has a similar story to tell.
No it wasn't! It was pure propaganda trying to justify a "two state" "SOLUTION" what a disgusting word choice. What we see is some maybe archeological vague evidence of a people group named Judahites maybe controlled the land for 400 years some 2500 years ago and therefore have equal claim to it as the people who have been there steadily for some 1300 years? Unless you are ready to move out of your home and return it to the people who lived there 2500 years ago you'd better wake up and think this bullshit through. This is pure mind fuckery.
This info is misleading. The Jebusite tribe were the one living in the region of Jerusalem, their capital was called Jebuse, part of it was occupied the rest Kind David bought with money to build the City of David which later was the site for Solomon Temple since his son finished the construction of the Temple. Israelites always lived in this land they didn't just came from the Exudes in Egypt, the conquest over the land of Canaan specify the name of the tribes they defeated in that time. Arabic as a language evolved much much later with the influence of Yemenite tribe that immigrated to the Petra area which are called Nabataeans, later they returned to the Arabian peninsula influencing the local language forming the Arabic language, this is after the Roman arrival to the region by the way, meaning thousand years before Arabs even knew what Salam means. Phoenician which is the more early form of Hebrew was one of the oldest languages in the region even influencing Greek, evolving parallel to Sumerian which in between the nations had Aramaic from kingdom of Aram, this fake info makes it look like the Arab claims to the city make some sense, Arab's didn't exist outside the Arabian peninsula until the 7th century during the Islamic caliphate occupation, that's common knowledge.
You are on the right track. Phoenician, Aramaic, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic, and a lot of other languages were derived from an ancient language called Proto Semitic. The Canaanites, who were never united and included all the peoples displaced by the Israelites, also spoke Semitic languages. Apparently, Hebrew and Arabic developed as spoken languages about the same time, each confined to its own region. However, Hebrew became a written language almost immediately, and Arabic didn't. Arabic only became a written language when oral tradition failed Islam and something was needed to write the Quran in. The Phoenicians were trading people with principal cities Tyre and Sidon, and later Carthage in North Africa. The Philistines were originally not local. They were originally one of the nine sea peoples, probably from Crete, who the Egyptians recorded defeating. They disappeared completely when, like the Israelites, Nebucadnezor hauled their survivors off to Babylon, only the Philistines didn't come back. Naturally, there was intermarriage and cultural mixture between all these peoples. The Israelites varied between tolerance, peace, and genocide towards the various Canaanite tribes. Were always at war with or fighting to end occupation by the Philistines. They were usually at peace with and sometimes allies of the Phoenicians. The status with the Aramaans ( Syria) seems to have changed with every change of ruler by either one. The Judeans were taken to Babylon speaking Hebrew and returned speaking an Aramaic dialect but retaining Hebrew for religious purposes. The Samaritans were foreigners speaking many languages and worshiping many idols brought in by the Assirians to replace the ten lost tribes. They adopted their own dialect of Aramaic and a twisted form of Judaism. Then came the "Greeks" and at the time of Christ, the area was bilingual. Coine Greek and Aramaic, with many also knowing Latin or Hebrew. Arabic only showed up with Muslim conquest, as you said.
@@asafheller5720 iirc jebusites weren't even judaic. I hate how he considers the pre-council/pre-torah judaism as judaism, it's like saying Islam and Christianity are Judaism because they have the same basis. He also blatantly ignores how egypt was the one country to not fall in the bronze age collapse and had records that they won and held onto that region. There's tons of minor inconsistencies too.
Jerusalem is a terrible place. I visited as a pilgrim but instead of feeling closer to god all I felt was hopelessness for Mankind. You can feel the animosity on every street. The blood spilt in an effort to control that city 🤯.
I would have liked for Jerusalem to become a city-state of its own, where all religions would be represented equally. I think it’s the most symbolic place to try and create such a place where freedom and respect of religion reigns supreme
@@jonnymcgrath4816 All religions. Even though there has only been (mostly) these three religions in control of Jerusalem, there’s few other cities in the world that have seen so much religious conflicts between religions still existing today as a major religion. So Buddhism, Hinduism or Taoism for examplr wouldn’t be excluded either Even though realistically the actual people in the city would probably be mostly just jewish and muslim
@earlysda He's wrong, there's a good explanation with archeological basis that they crossed the sea to what is modern day Saudi Arabia, which was settled by Midianites and not part of the Egyptian Kingdom, so his info is false
I took a class in college specifically on the city of Jerusalem, we read Jerusalem besieged and the list of conflicts over Jerusalem takes up the first 3 whole pages
Great video. My late Father said decades ago that it's good that Jerusalem has a wall, because it should be filled with concrete to stop people fighting over it. Given recent events, I think they will fight over the concrete...
Many sources for late Ottoman period show Christians as second biggest group, behind either Jews or Muslims, depending on the exact year and the source. If you don't attribute this period to a single group, it would make more sense to split it three-way, instead of just two
@@Freshbott2 Jews are generally secular.. about 30% religious.. but of course, many religious Jews prefer living in Jerusalem. Palestinians Muslims are almost entirely religious, with more than 90%.. and with Christians more than 95% But it's a nice dream having an all secular world.. the world is still mostly religious.. probably your country too, just by pure probability.
@@JackOfAlbion not really. Christianity was born in Jerusalem, sure, but since the 600s, there has never been a Christian majority in Jerusalem until maybe the early periods of British colonialism. Islam and Judaism both have claims to the city (although I personally believe the Jewish one is stronger), but almost everyone agrees that if there is a single rightful governance of Jerusalem, it is not Christian. The Vatican, the centre of Christianity, even recognises both israel and Palestine as sovereign nations, essentially forfeiting their claim to Jerusalem, thus making complete inclusion of the religious base in this video unnecessary.
"Meaning that a literal version of the Exodus story is very unlikely because it would have the Israelites escaping from one part of the Egyptian empire simply to travel to anoter part of the Egyptian empire" Somehow that doesn't seem like the biggest hurdle for a literal reading of the Exodus.
His version of history is based on secularist scepticism. So no wonder he denies the exodus. They somehow expect a 4000 BC document talking about the exodus to be excavated somewhere for them to believe it.
This was really insightful, thank you for presenting, I get the timelines mixed up a lot, constantly going back to sites like this to see it in a new and refreshing way. Thank you. (I also buy a chart everyone once in a while as they are really awesome to have.)
1) the calculations are not correct for Jews rule and inhabitance of the land according to biblical sources Judges(rulers of Jews) ruled Israel for 400 years before the first King of Jews - Saul ruled 40 years that is 900 BC then - you should straight away add 400 years to JEWS( because now Jerusalem is part of ISRAEL - PALASTINE kingdome has more countries including ISREAL) 2) Christians always claim that Jerusalem and ISRAEL belong JEWS - that includes 500 years of Christian rule to JEWS, Christian Bible, says Abrahama is father of Christians. The Bible says to bless Jerusalem. now you need to add total 1000+ years to JEWS. == total 2200 years for JEWS. 3) What is the need for Muhamad to claim Jerusalem in his Quran? it belongs to JEWS 1500+ years already; in Quran Muhamad repeatedly told Allah gave the Torah to JEWS, Muhammad tried to take the essence of JEWS history to ISLAM, and Muhammad repeatedly included Jesus as a Muslim sent by Allah - this is PURE evil starts from here. So I condemn this stealing - Jewish's legacy and their land and their consecrated places; Muhammad tried to steal - Jesus Christ and his legacy by making him as A-ll-ah's messenger; M-u-ha-mad is the trouble maker, the whole violence in the world - the father fo J1HAD1S; just get ridd of his book, peace will come.
@@UnknownZax9oiooa8Christians persecuted, massacred and genocided Jews, Muslims never did any of that, they let the Jews back into Jerusalem after the Byzantines kicked them out
@@UnknownZax9oiooa8also muslims also say that Jerusalem belongs to Jews, thats why we let them back in, while you guys and the romans before you tried to exile them out
Very cool chart, and interesting to see the history of the city! I was surprised by the final count. Have you considered doing any videos on the Cossacks? I know the eastern regions of Ukraine have changed hands a bit (and of course, a lot of stuff about that recently).
Love the detail this video goes into, and while I haven't independently verified the dates and data, I am inclined to believe them because your conclusion does not fall into a blanket declaration that one side wins and the other loses, but rather concludes that multiple cultures / religions / people have a right to Jerusalem and it should be shared (presumably in peace)
Why? for 3,000 years that has not been the case. What makes you think that other countries have a right to the land on which another country currently sits? Does Brittan have a right to American soil or India? Obviously they do not. No where else in the world do we say other countries and people have a right to the land on which they do not control. But lunatics think it's ok to oppress the Israelites and say they need to allow their land to be accessed by other people and religions that want to destroy them.
@@Valkaneer not to mention that the religion in question prioritizes another city (and others) over Jerusalem, to the degree that they will point their rear ends at Jerusalem in order to face said other city when praying. They have enough land and cities already. Let the Jews keep what they have in peace.
When Muslims talk about peace, they mean a peace that comes from after conversion to Islam or surrender to Muslim rulers. And for centuries they taxed non Muslims for not being Muslim. In a world where Islam exists, there can be never freedom of religion AND peace at the same time. Only conflict. If there are periods of peace between Muslims and Christians, it’s only because genocide or total subjugation wasn’t logistically possible (which was the case for the Ottoman empire).
Also, the places with the most conflict tend to be in the places with the most “diversity”. Too many diametrically opposed cultures, in close proximity to each other (like in a large city), makes for a ripe recipe for chaos.
@@atronitediversity is not the cause of violence in big cities. It’s just blacks and Mexicans killing their own people mostly. If you mix Asians and whites, Indians and so on together there won’t be any crime. It’s not really diversity causing it tho
Absolutely excellent video as always! I'm very much looking forward to visiting this great city again in August, B"H, a city that feels very special and magical but yet in some way also terrifying at the same time!
Of course items were not mentioned in this video: 1) Jerusalem is never even mentioned in the Quran and was never considered "holy" by Islam until the Jews took it in 1967 when it suddenly became "holy" to Muslims, 2) Recent DNA studies from a newly found Canaanite burial site show that the "Canaanites" were descendants of the Minoan culture and not Arabs at all. Further, Jerusalem/Israel has had a "Jewish" population (sometimes small, sometimes large) for over 3500 years!
Prophet abraham was a muslim. His belief was there is no God but only one allah. He rejected polytheism. And he was friend of allah ( god) and prophet abraham was the first who lived in Jerusalem. And his son prophet issac and grand son prophet jacob was also muslim there belief was also monotheism there is no god but only one allah(god). and prophet jacob's son prophet Joseph was also muslim. He also had same faith like his great grandfather, grandfather and father. Hence proved Jerusalem was always under Muslims by the will of allah (God) . And it shall remain under Muslims till the dooms day.
Great great video. My take away is the crude notion that I've held for some time that every square foot of this planet is available to whoever has the most and best weapons and their current ambitions.
This is what most people either don't realize or accept. No one owns anything - you only get to keep the things you can defend - if you can't defend something, it can (and will) be taken from you. Jerusalem belongs to whoever can defend it, it's that simple really.
@mytoll6529 well as recently as the 40s we had a land grab world War so I can't see us getting over it any time soon. The world map is only shaped like that through war - and it will continue to be shaped and reshaped long in to the future. Countries don't spend trillions on the armed forces for no reason :)
@@mytoll6529 it will still be about who can defend it. Either through their own power or the power of their allies, in which it is still about who can defend it.
Excellent! Seeing it now, when all seems to be blowing (Oct 23). It helped tremendously to keep the record straight. I had a general idea, but missing important info, and of course no idea of the precie account. Thank you very much!
Very informative and good way of opening up discussions on the current situation regarding the war against Palestine. I always find it sad that the people who are forgotten in all this are the local peasant, those who survived and stayed, the common workers.
"Unbiased" lmao. Yeah right. Historically religion was never monolithic as it's presented here. Further, the Judaic timeline is based on the Torah, *not* Historicity, which he basically glosses over. Muslims equally believe they are the descendants of the Judahs, so this is entirely a Jewish intrepretation. Then he starts the with 350 years of Egyptian rule, but never even adds that to the calculation. Wtf is that? We have genetic evidence today that modern egyptians are directly related to ancient egyptians. Moreover, only Judaic states are treated monolithically, mulsims states are considered separate for every new faction that took over the city. Furthermore, "Paganism" is not a thing. It comes from the Latin, "pagano" meaning country dweller, aka hill-billy, because the country folk held onto the old religion longer. They however, never referred to themselves as "pagan" which was essentially born as a derogatory term. Ascribing that term is inherently biased to a post-judeo-christian intrepretation. There are no "unbiased" interpretations, buddy. Don't be guiled by a monotone voice into thinking this is unbiased.
It's very biased this info is misleading. The Jebusite tribe were the one living in the region of Jerusalem, their capital was called Jebuse, part of it was occupied the rest Kind David bought with money to build the City of David which later was the site for Solomon Temple since his son finished the construction of the Temple, nothing to do with the Canaanites. Israelites always lived in this land they didn't just came from the Exudes in Egypt, the conquest over the land of Canaan specify the name of the tribes they defeated in that time. Arabic as a language evolved much much later with the influence of Yemenite tribe that immigrated to the Petra area which are called Nabataeans, later they returned to the Arabian peninsula influencing the local language forming the Arabic language, this is after the Roman arrival to the region by the way, meaning thousand years before Arabs even knew what Salam means. Phoenician which is the more early form of Hebrew was one of the oldest languages in the region even influencing Greek, evolving parallel to Sumerian which in between the nations had Aramaic from kingdom of Aram, this fake info makes it look like the Arab claims to the city make some sense, Arab's didn't exist outside the Arabian peninsula until the 7th century during the Islamic caliphate occupation, that's common knowledge.
I'll be honest, i always got confused when the history gets brought up when claims are made. But it's clear to see that it's always been diverse and will continue to be diverse. I went there years ago, and even my secular classmates said, "it's easy to understand why people view this place as the holy land". Pictures don't do it justice, it's definitely a site to see in person. And a heartbreak that people who live there do not get along. Also understandable, as there are people in their 90s still waiting to return to their homes. A 2 two state solution sounds good on paper, but it'd be so hard to implement. It would probably be better to break down the boarders and create a new government, but this proposal has also been shut down by everyone involved. Who knows what the future holds, but i really hope we dont go into a world war over this.
When Christian Rome Controlled Palestine, Christians, Jews, and pagans were prosperous and relatively peaceful under the law. Then came the Arab Caliphate from Saudi Arabia. Misery ever since.
In the meantime there are many places in Australia, including from Tasmania, right up the east coast and high country, through Victoria, NSW and QLD, that look like the land of milk and honey to me. Aside from ancient connection, I don't know what the fuss is all about in Israel. It ain't the land of milk and honey anymore. Apparently, Israel averages 508 mm's PA. Well, I live near a place called Dorrigo, that averages 2 metres of rain PA. It is a subtropical paradise, as green as green can be. I'd prefer to be in a place where the rainfall is very reliable. A drought in Dorrigo is when they might only get a metre of rain during the year. In the meantime...Israel 508 mm PA? No thanks. Not worth killing people over it.
No it would not be a world war because the Palestinians don't have the firepower or a major league player sitting in their pocket (USA). Even if Russia interfered it doesn't have the firepower to sustain a war against the USA and their allied partners. China could care less about Jerusalem. China is not a warlike country, like the USA. China wants and probably will rule the world economically. because China doesn't have to buy anything. While the world has to buy what China offers...Just like the British.
Its crazy to think that had the Romans and Mongols existed at the same time, they together would stretch from Portugal to Korea. Their battles reaching from Scotland to Indonesia.
Feels a little weird to count the modern years as joint Jewish and muslim without doing so for any other period. What about the Roman pagan period? Christiaans were a sizeable minority in those days, while not completely comparable to the modern situation in Jerusalem, its still a comparison that should be made.
@@fluffysheap yeah just seems a bit politically charged. like i mean if you count the years from 1948-1980 something when Jerusalem was divided yes. but it seems right or more correct to do defacto (ie Isareli) control after the Jerusalem annexation law.
Very interesting. I am sure it will become even more complicated the deeper you go into the historical archives and facts. I also think the same complexity applies to just about any major city in Europe and Middle East. With our world becoming increasingly mixed and integrated, it feels like the fights about who can claim what is becoming more obsolete every day.
Yes, exactly! Europe for example has had so much conquering and re-conquering of land over centuries. We can't get hung up on the past. Let the past inform the future, but release attachments to it and move on for a more peaceful future. Easier said than done, of course. Humans tend to hold grudges and maintain a competitive nature overall.
Europe as well as the region referred to as Israel, today. That land has exchanged governing authorities many times. It has been conquered over and over again. After the Israelites were taken into exile by Babylon they NEVER regain authority over the land. They were only allowed to reside in the land if they chose. That's why I think it's utterly ridiculous to claim DNA markers prevalent in an area or region means you can without error or any doubt link people having those markers to ONE SPECIFIC group of people, ancient Israel. How? The land passed through so many hands and was settled by many different nationalities.
@@skaetur1 Not really, because: 1) In the video is explicitly stated that the origins are unclear and that the Jews came/developed at some later stage. 2) Regardless, they have been conquered several times for very long periods of times by various other nations, in which case you effectively loose any rights to claim a place (if you can't hold it, you loose it). Just search and look into the concept of "Right of conquest" Also, my point is that the concept of nationalities have become so eroded with cultural mixing that no single person can really claim anymore that they are "pure" A or B or C or whatever. So, if you say place X belongs to A, then who do you actually include? It's almost impossible to draw a line these days. Genetically we are becoming more and more mixed each passing day. I am myself a mix of English, Dutch and German (and more)... So, if I could claim any land based on nationality,, where would it be??
imagine thinking ownership of Jerusalem was what this was all about and not the 20th-important question it is in reality. also, Western Ukes had (everything east of Lviv) for only, like, 30 years.
There was no Byzantine state until well after the take-over of Constantinople by the Ottomans, when German historians renamed it to “Byzantium” ex post facto, to make their Holy Roman Empire as the only Roman Empire of that time (from 476 to 1453, when its capital fell). While they spoke Greek rather than Latin, the land and people were called Roman, spelled something like “Rhomanoi“, and the people continued to use that name until years after the Greeks got their Independence from the Ottomans and began reusing the ancient name of Hellas and the Hellenes. In short, it is the Romans or the Rhomanoi, not the Byzantines.
Byzantine is used semantically in English to understand and conceptualise a certain timeframe and Greek dominated area. Its well understood and used for Common history. 90% of people know it wasn't called that along with 99% of names you've learnt about historical national are ones we made up. Lol. Short version: it's fine
@@varkr2066 Yes we call it Byzantine after the old colony name of the city that became constantinople. I'd be interested to know how the caliphates referred to themselves.
Mr. Baker, thank you. I'm deep in Simon J. Montefiore's book "Jerusalem: The Biography" and your charts helped me to understand clearly the timelines and sieges of the many, many factions that controlled the city. The book's footnotes could stand alone as books themselves. My opinion is that there will never be peace in the middle east (Jerusalem). Why? Hatred, aggression, and greed in the name of religion.
The Islamic world is in crisis and the Arab nations are beginning to ignore the Palestinian 'claim' on Jerusalem. I am positive about peace coming to the area, with freedom of worship for all people, now that Jerusalem is back under Jewish control.
@@sandytatham3592 yeah the whole world saw of the "freedom of worship under jewish control" in ramdhaan of '21 when muslims had gathered to pray in Al-Aqsa and got interupted and shot at by israeli millitary/police. Most of the jews of today don't care about following their tradition because they've secularised, libralized, so eventually, the whole area will be captured by muslims and only then will there be freedom for every religious people (muslim or not) to worship just like the past.
@@theuncausedcause5780: Yes we all saw the Muslim gangs with molotov cocktails, rocks, firecrackers, and other things that they had weaponised to throw down on people praying at the Temple's Western Wall. Even the older Muslims who came to pray were horrified at what those Muslim gangs were doing, having been spurred on by the terrorist group Hamas. Thank god for social media. We all saw the young guys with shoes on in Al-Aqsa mosque playing football, and their stockpiles of rocks, bricks and stones. It reminds me of what the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan once said "The mosques are our barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets and the faithful our soldiers. I'm super happy that the Jews are back in control of the Temple Mount, their holiest site.
Kind of pathetic that towards the end the author splits Israel with others because "there's a dispute", when the whole time, whoever controlled the city was counted -- whoever wins battles an conquers, is the one that controls -- there's no such thing as "disputed" -- Israel won and conquered... if they lose (again); they'll be out (again). Easy.
@@TaranTaranov your reaction seems to me pretty british and Lucca Matt , you are right : if taken on account any other piece of land, i.e. in Europe or America or Africa, your logic would examine you by A but the point is that in the development of people´s mind the city called Jerusalem has a totaly different status, that is why we deal here with world sensitivness to that place, not only Israeli (Jewish and Christian Jewish) and Palestinian ( Muslim plus Arab Christian).
Before even watching this video im super excited to see this put together by you! Im reading through the Hebrew Bible and sometimes have a hard time keeping track of all the kings names, especially when they were renamed by other kings.
I mean this timeline pretty much show my gripe with any historic claims to any region or city ever. Often they have been under control of various peoples throughout the ages. Which makes historic claims never ending.
The question isn't who should control it. The question should be which religion lets the rest of the religions visit it without any problem. Hint, there is a single religion that calls to kill all who don't believe it, so I doubt they fit the criteria.
Which religion recognizes the three abrahamic religions? Two out of the religions are monotheistic. And, two of the three religions recognize the first and second coming of Jesus (PBUH). Did you get it?
Yeah you are right.... Christians historically prohibited the entry of Jews in jerusalem... while muslim during the time of Umar settled some jews in that city...
Actually if the call is for the indigenous to have it, the longest does matter. However in this case God gave it to Jews. Thousands of years before Christianity or Islam. It’s why Christ/Isa born there. A Jew. One of the few writings we have passed down for thousands of years is Torah. It’s plain as day. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Aaron, etc.. it is theirs. Israel should be larger when looking at history. There are 1 million Muslims and 200K Christian’s living inside Israel outside of Gaza or West Bank. The people who are Muslim in Israel, Gaza and West Bank are Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese. Those places still exist and Israel is multi faith place anyway.
@@kristinesharp6286A crash course on history of PALESTINIAN STATE: 1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state 2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state. 4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. 20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE
Palestine is a name given by Pagan Roman Emperor during the time the Jews lived there. There were no Muslims. Jordan exists, Egypt exists, Lebanon exists and Syria exists. Every Muslim in Israel itself, Gaza or West Bank comes from those places in actuality. @@12mak
Who should control Jerusalem?Who are we to decide. As this vid has pointed out, Jerusalem has been besieged, captured, controlled, recaptured many times by many different people of different ethnicities, cultures, and religions. With that fact, and in addition to another fact that many other areas of land around the world has been subjected to the same human behavioral dynamic, Jerusalem should stay in the hands to those who can keep it theirs. That has always been the natural law of, not just humans, but most living things. If you capture a land from an inferior people (militarily, technologically), and keep it from being captured by others, it's yours... The history of Jerusalem shows just that. Let it be.
Thanks for the fascinating overview. I was familiar with most of the content, but to have it presented in this different, yet clear and concise, manner helps in gluing together the bits of history floating in my memory. I have no (significant) Middle Eastern heritage, and so am not inclined to venture my own opinion on how the area should be governed. It would be good if those that do have a say in such things could be as informed and level-headed as Matt appears to be.
@@Monkeyboy707 The oldest peoples we know of in Jerusalem were the Canaanites. This was well before there was a group that historians refer to as the Proto-Israelites (the precursors of the Israelites from biblical times). I don't know that there is any modern group we can identify as the descendants of the Canaanites. The next group we know of that controlled Jerusalem was the Egyptians. So, by the principle you espouse, maybe we should give control of Jerusalem to Egypt. (I'm sure that would solve everything).
@@BobHutton Obviously the descendants of the people who lived in that area are broadly the people now living in that area. Languages, religions and names change over thousands of years, and new generic add mixtures included, but these are the same people. That shouldn't come as a surprise. Frankly, I find the relevance of who controlled or founded a city thousands of years ago quite stupid. This has no relevance to people's right to self determination.
@@charles5a I'm not sure that it is obvious. Migrations and ethnic cleansings have occurred throughout recorded history. But I do agree, the issue of who established or controlled the city thousands of years ago is of little relevance as to how the city would best be controlled now. (Hence my previous tongue-in-cheek suggestion).
@@BobHutton exactly, but a lot of Zionists would try to argue for control of all of Palestine(the entire region) just because of some events 2000 years ago, while also ignoring the millennia of Islamic rule in the city and the current reality of most of the people of Palestine being Muslim and not Jewish.
that is very strange, we keep being told that the jews are colonialists in Israel, when they obviously have been there first and for all that time non stop for about 3500 years. muslims didn't appear in sight until the last 1400 years.
Brilliant and much needed at the moment. Too many forget the British were hardly the first colonial empire and this was a wonderfully factual recounting of that without emotion. I shudder at modern education.
@@suiz1781 There's zero difference. Colonial can describe ANY empire. Every piece of conquered land outside of Rome was a colony of Rome. People really need to learn what "colonial" means. It isn't some newer form of conquering nations that only Europeans took part in...
When it comes to the exodus being an escape from Egypt to another part of Egypt, although the Egyptians claimed the part of the Middle East where the Jews escaped to, they did not have a lot of control over it
Yeah, based on what I know of Egyptian history, although they claimed the Levant, most of their time was spent focusing on Egypt proper. The Amarna letters for example are from what I assume would be Egyptian governors of the major cities begging the pharaoh for help from invaders, but there is no record of said pharaoh responding. Interestingly, the letters correspond to the traditional date of Joshua's conquest.
Quite often with these empires it was more a case that the Great King would be happy to leave the vassal Kings to their own affairs, so long as the regular tribute arrived on time and the vassal King provided an army to the Great King as and when he demanded.
Also escaping from one part of a country to another is not unprecedented even by modern standard -- the Mormon Migration, Underground Railroad, the Great African American Migration.
You are missing a very important piece of information here! The city of Jerusalem was established by the Cannanes 4500BC and named after their king ايروشاليم 3500 years of the history of ancient canon the real indigenous people of the land if we don’t start from the beginning we would have incomplete picture of what happened in this land.
The problem with your idea is that the canaanite people no longer exist. Of the ancient groups mentioned in this video, the only one who still exist in modern history are the Jews, which gives them the longest ties to the land of any people who currently exist.
If you are to call Palestinians Canaanite indigenous then you invalidate the ahl al bayt lineage of many who claim Said, companions of the prophet, bedouin lineage and descent from Khalid ibn al Walid- a Hejazi. Not to mention those Husseini who are Asiri. One cannot have it both ways.
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Hello i have a simmiliar request on Mecca and Medina, who hold those holy city for the longest time, i am curious about the famitid and the sharifian Dynasty rule on that city, the sharifian Dynasty or today the hashemite of Jordan has held that region since fatimid era and keep hold those city until the Ottoman era but as vassal , they have become vassal of the fatimid , ayyubid , mamalik , Abbasid( ayyubid and mamalik both were nominal vassal of abbasid) and the Ottoman z they being defeated by the Saudi Arabia like in your Asian monarch chart , o have to ask you because of the sectenarian tendency i have. Sorry for telling you this, but the salafi sect claimed the those two holy city always at their hand , yeah i have sectenarian intention but what they claim is very far from the truth , i cannot let this false claim
By explaining that Mecca and Medina plus Jerusalem wasn't in their hand you also have take part in undermine extrimism
who was Jerusalem gold construction. do you know?
@@youkurban can you rephrase that? I don't understand.
Mom said it's my turn to control Jerusalem
HAHAHAHAHAHA
I am suppose to have it when the Big three finally settle their Difference
@@thebandit0256 until the time comes!
LOL
OMG! Are you the Missiah?
It's insane to think that the Mongols tried to fight for Jerusalem! Speaks volumes about how vast their empire and the reach was. Damn!
Even Further. the city would go to the crusaders. The Mongols were fighting for Egypt, probably all of North Africa was their final objective.
Only reason the Fatimids were separated was to hand the numbers 🤡
Can you imagine the logistics of a government from Mongolia(China) conquering and ruling Jerusalem?!?!
@@ktcarlit wasnt controlled from mongolia or china. it was indipendent warlords freedom to decide
They destroyed Iraq and most muslin countries
Imagine being an archeologist or geologist studying jerusalem. Must be fascinating to have so much cultural change embedded in the ground/remains.
I visited, and what amazed me is the Roman architecture is actually some of the newer stuff. They have to dig through this to get to the pre Roman buildings. Truly a historic city.
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want.
Simple. Very simple.
It's not a thousands of years matter.
Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
It is a challenging place for archeology because of the sensitive politics and the religious demands that the public often tries to place on the practice of archeology. It also is famous for drawing lots of pseudoarcheology, as are al sites with any connection to the bible. Curiously, however, most of the pseudoarcheology is from a Christian POV.
Archaeologists been searching for salmon temple for years they don't find it till now . Either there is no salmon temple and it is just religious myths that have nothing to do with real history,
or they are searching in the wrong country. They should try to searche for salmon temple in Iran or Africa or yemeni
Jews were living in Israel since when Palestinians were living in caves
Archeologists: Every 2 feet you dig is another empire
THE KINGDOM OF JUDA AND JERUSALEMA,IN THE SOUTHERN KNIGDOM,AKA SOUTH AFRICA
I'd love to see more of these city charts, maybe for places like Rome, Istanbul, or London. It's interesting to see how broader historical events can impact specific places.
Those cities have far fewer times that they change hands. Jerusalem was always on the periphery of larger empires so changed hands quite often. Those cities were the centres of empires.
@Dawood Aamir yes, it was always besieged, but the Romans always held it, only failing in 1204 and 1453. Istanbul didn't change hands that much.
London could be interesting between the Roman invasion up to the unification of England as it changed hands a few times during the Viking era.
However after that it’s not really worth continuing as it would always be a part of England/Great Britain.
factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual factual
It’s Constantinople.
Based on this presentation, Italy should administrate Jerusalem. Muslims can use the Dome on Friday, Jews on Saturday, and Christians on Sunday. Monday thru Thursday it is open to tourists.
lol u fool
Why?
What is your position base on.?
In islam, we pray 5 times a day and everyday, not only on fridays. ❤
@@TheEmpressWhohasitall and Jews pray 3 times every day, not only on Saturday.
@@kasurtipis2439 you tagged the wrong person 🙏🏼
I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation on media. Well it should not surprise me. So many look at history since 1900s and don't understand the amount of conflict this land has had. This is an important video! Thank you
The middle east has been at war for thousands of years, but people think it's only been an issue since 1917
That sounds more like illinformation then disinformation.
Currently ILLEGALY OCCUPIED BY THE ZIONIST STATE. Jews lived there 1300 BCE, but that does not mean they can come now and colonize it! Imagine if descendants of Pharo come and say we want Egypt back, ancient Egypt was ours 2000+ years ago, and now I want my Egypt. INSANE. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS INSANITY
@@asemyamak3984 Jews were THERE TILL 636 CE. Only during / after Caliph Umar's invasion... the JEWS were totally driven out of their land. New Temple which was NEVER THERE before... was built on the same destroyed site of the Jewish Temple!!! Usurping somebody's land and religious sites!!
IF.... the Pharoh's happen to return and have the required POWER to reclaim their land... give it back... and return to where you belong...to the place from where you started conquering all the adjacent lands...... the Arabian Deserts!
Digest it and learn to coexist 'Salaam'fully.
@@asemyamak3984 Caliph Umar, Salaudin, Ottomans legally occupied that area?! 😂😂
It’s kinda funny how the nations that dominated Jerusalem the longest are in opposite order that the religions are in.
the whole graph has been green since 600 AD but the guy still manages to put the Romans and the Jews at the top of the ranking! intellectual dishonesty... the truth is that Jerusalem has been in a Muslim fold for 14 centuries, that is the truth
Sorry can you explain what that means?? Even though my English isn't that bad , i still couldn't understand it
@@bait5257 Of the 3 Abrahamic religions Judism is the oldest, Christianity came next, and Islam came last. The Muslims of Islam owned Jerusalem longer than the Christians, who owned it longer than the Jews. Basically, the younger religions had the holy land longer than the oldest
@@arandomlemon6707 thx for explaining 👍😊.
@@arandomlemon6707owned?
It's amazing how important one city could be to so many people!
yes it is!
Meh
Constantinople is More important with much more sieges and alot of cool names
@@jeremias-serus israel is committing genocide on the palestinians
@@Spinozathecat lmao where . They still fighting for Jerusalem they not fighting for Istanbul
Let's fix it! it should be a Atheist Ohio controlled city. No religion allowed in the city. Why? Because YOU ALL WON'T PLAY NICELY. why ohio? because it's all ohio
0:23 I always thought Jerusalem was the most besieged city in history, but it's actually Constantinople... 34 times
Watched Emperor Tigerstar talking about it too?
@@robertjarman3703 I don't remember where I learned it but yeah I think perhaps it was him
Don't forget Rome as well -it was besieged many times starting with the Gauls in 300 BC and then by many others like Hannibal then the Vandals and Goths/the Byzantines too/the Goths again and the worst occupation of the lot was in about 1517 when the armies of the Holy Roman Empire of Charles V who was fighting the pope is supposed to have wreaked more death and destruction than any of the ancient sieges and plundering.
Constantinople was Napolean's dream city and dream world capital. It is one hell of a city.
@@kaloarepo288 i doubt rome was besieged more than 30 times if even that much. Edit: probably not even close to 15 times
He made this a year ago, not knowing how applicable and essential it will be in Oct. Of 2023 👏👏 Bravo 🎉
The root cause of the wars is because of religious nutters, Muslims and Jews and Christians. NONE of them have ANY right to rule over a land, They are just religions. People who live there need to run the place, and their religious faith should stay in their homes, never brought into consideration in real life. The people that live there, come from many nations and cultures, they are multicultural, no religious cult gets to lord it over the next cult of religious nutters.
Yea it’s like dude had a feeling
Problem is its of prophecy in biblical scriptures Scrolls 📜 🤔 hmmm??
@@geedee7632 Which prophecy exactly are you referencing?
I mean, it wouldn't be that surprising if you told him a year ago that a conflict was going to start again between Israel and Palestine. It's sorta been on and off for the past 80 years.
Cool video, thanks for creating it!
Going into this video I kindof rolled my eyes at the thought of "yet another RUclips video which would probably devolve into bias", but was pleasantly surprised to see nothing glossed over in early history and a fairly objective view of the whole matter. Well done!
Edit: Do not delve into the replies to my comment if you value your sanity. To the commenters, never change.
You clearly did not know the sheer level of quality regularly found on this channel then!
@@Nooticus Clearly I do not. I've seen a good number of their videos, but this topic in particular I have seen cause pitfalls in many history youtubers before.
@@SarudeDanstorm how would something like this devolve into bias
@@thegamingwolf5612 Depending on the author's bias, discussion on the ownership or the religion of the Levant usually glosses over the periods of time when it was under a religion they do not like - thus giving the respective periods far less attention and appearing to the audience as unimportant.
Not really, since it was under Israeli control it was mainly jewish but he made it only have jewish
I disagree with the count of the control by religions, I find it inaccurate for the Arab Empire segment.
The period of Jerusalem under the Rashidiun till the 1st Crusade was still a mostly Christian city, although under Islamic rule. Jews were banned from the city under Roman law since the Bar Kochba revolt (other than in the brief Persian period), and so the city had a Christian population beforehand. When the Rashidiun conquered the city and the region in general, they did not replace or forcefully convert anyone, rather Jews and Christians ("Ahl al Qitab", people of the book) lived under a set of Islamic laws.
In general, after the Arab conquest of this region, the conversion of locals to Islam was particularly slow and not on large scale at all, unlike places such as Persia which converted almost in an instant.
Why media now tell Islam will force ppl to convert or kill them? Propaganda?
@@mustipunyaemail Probably people taking the Islamic State and thinking that they represent all of Islam, although to be fair it was Jews and Christians (and Zoroastrians?) who were not forced to convert, Pagans for example were definitely forced in some places...
There was no instant conversion in Persia either. First known mosque in Persia was dated to 10th century and until then and even afterwards for many decades, many people known to history from that area didn't have Arabic names. The Caliphates didn't really like when people converted to Islam because this lowered their tax revenue, conversion was mostly a very gradual process of intermingling and absorption.
@@postyoda I really can't remember what was the name of the book but I have a memory of reading somewhere e that even untill the 10th century there were a ton of Zoroastrians in Persia, probably a majority
@@getreal3148 I think you may have "In God's Path" by Robert Hoyland in mind.
I think it's really interesting that the city has been totally destroyed several times and also most of it's citizens killed, and still it's been rebuilt by new people over and over.
Anywhere humans have lived for thousands of years has seen wars and replacements of populations.
its citizens
It's just a really good location.
I imagine that's what happened to Troy.
Jesus said ''The citizens of Jerusalem will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. *Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles* until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled''. Luke 21:24. Recorded by Luke around 60 AD, before the destruction of Jerusalem.
great job matt as always. THIS is why this city is so special.
I'm glad you counted the Byzantines as the Romans, because while the distinction is important, it'd feel disingeuous to call the direct continuation of the same empire a "different" owner
Edit: ware the replies, people here LOVE to pretend that romans aren't romans because their capital city moved
Well Latin and Greek is quite the difference. Different people, so how is the "owner" the same?
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Well, Greek speaking Romans still consider themselves as Romans. They were the Roman Empire.
I guess it would be similar if English speaking Canada were to be conquered by someone but the French speaking area would remain being Canada and their inhabitants would keep feeling and being called Canadian.
@@tock02 Well, only the ruling elite had SOME Roman origin, not even all of them. As for the population, it genetically always remained Greek or Eastern or whatever.
@@irdorath356 the fact is that they referred to themselves as romans, continued every roman institution that was present, etc. it's not like someone came in and conquered the eastern half of the empire and proclaimed themselves romans, it was the same people, the rest of the mediterannean (and the persians, and arabs, and pretty much all subsequent muslims that battled them) considered them the romans as well, until it was more convenient to pretend they weren't romans so they could claim that lineage instead. Ethnicity and Nationality are two entirely different things.
@@bakubread9308 pretty much any Germanic tribe resettled on Roman territory called themselves Romans and adopted the Imperial lifestyle. Longbeards an Ostrogoths at least posessed the city of Rome, unlike the Byzantines.
This is BY FAR THE BEST historical & factual presentation of the timeline of Jerusalem.
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I concur!
I don't care who controls it, I only care who build it.
The Jews and Christians built the city and if they wanted to they could build another Jerusalem, cause they have the knowledge and skills.
London was meant to be a second Jerusalem 😡AND LOOK WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO IT
This is the right time to share this video with the public
so that we know its the israelis land?
For some reason he didn't make the Fatimids part of the Arab Empire, though they were arabs. Adding them to the Arab Empire gives it 463 years to Arab political control, making it the 2nd longest political control, under the romans and above the israelites.
well, regardless the modern day israelis and palestinians are basically the same people lol. @@Vichikuma
@@tace_nomercy9274 Israelites are european, so no.
@@Vichikumano they are not. There are European Jews there as well but some Jews were already there. Palestinian Arabs are from Egypt and Jordan. They literally share the exact same DNA
Great history lesson! Much needed. Well done!
This is a misleading crap!
Can you do a video on the various sects and schisms within Judaism? Especially the second temple period? Also, I would like to know the differences between the rabbinical Judaism and the Pharisees and where they differed in regards to theology (cuz we all know they that Rabbinical Judaism offshooted from the Pharisees Sect, but they weren't identical)
Rabbinical Judaism were the pharisees, at least that is what the texts they produced suggests. Their rival group was called the Sadducees...
Oooo! I wonder if Matt can talk about controversies caused by potential contradictions in the writings of the different authors.
On the top of my head, it's more of a Christian schism but it's Old Testament: I wonder if scholars believe Exodus 20:4 to be written by the same author(s) as let's say Exodus 25:18-22. Those seem to be the two most commonly talked about lines in the iconoclast/iconophile thingy.
After the Second temple period? It's called Christianity.
Sam Aranow has a lot of good videos on Jewish History, definitely covering that period.
You can ask the same about the various sects and schism within Islam? Which were even more varied and disparate during that entire timeline. Today the Arabs don't even acknowledge the Ottomans. So much so, turkish tv series Ertugal is NOT shown and/or banned in Arab nations. Lol
Balian of Ibelin: What is Jerusalem worth?
Saladin: Nothing... Everything!
Long live muslim 🇵🇸
Israel above all 🇮🇱
It’s “nothing and everything”… referring to how it’s nothing to the Christians because they were prepared to burn it down rather than give it to the muslims. And how it’s everything for the muslims because they would rather die than see it burn.
@@ohadhoffman7078 keep barking
Jerusalem belongs to the Jews! I’m not even Jewish but it’s their city originally so why should Arabian Muslims get it when it was founded by Jews and Abraham of monotheism is originally a Jewish concept? Arabs are so envious of Jews it’s actually embarrassing.
I think you did great, let’s give Jerusalem to the Buddhist for a while ;)
WTF😂?
I agree then maybe the Hindu religion, or some Sikh dudes , hell even scientologists ? Then some aboriginal group. 👍🙏
Indian religions are not interested in your sacred and cursed place called Jerusalem😂
So then the Chinese get it?
Good idea! 🎉 But, what branch of Buddhism? Theravada, Mahayana or Vajrayana? 😁
Beautifully written and explained. Thank you
AMAZING! This is exactly the video i had been wishing someone did for years! The fact that in the end it was you that did it, with your in-depth research, your unbiased ways of explaining the facts and your truly remarkable way of showing data, is just perfect! Thank you.
If that historical timeline has proven anything it's that military power decides the legitimacy of claim to dominion not only of Jerusalem but any plot of land.
The jewish state of Israel currently holds dominion over it because they have the military strength to assert that claim. The Palestinians disputing it doesn't mean anything because they don't have the military strength to invalidate Israels claim.
Might may not make right but it certainly does decide who makes the rules in the real world.
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Honest Soldier
What logic is that? so what about WW2? Germany had the power, why did the world fight them? and what about Russia and Ukraine? if Russia have the military power that give them the right to occupy Ukraine?
When Christians occupied it, they killed both Muslims and Jews, and when Jews occupied it they killed and still killing Muslim and Christians, but when Muslim took it they did not kill anyone, and you can read about Umar the 2nd Khalifa and Salahuddin.
@@amjadabdullah1878false, look at the chart right here, Islam was invented by zealots in the 600s ad, Judaism was invented by fertile crescent farmers on 3000 or so BC, so how did Islam spread so far and wide? Murder, Slaughter, Conversion by sword, exile of Jews and Christians, Exile of Seculars which were often slashed to bits during the 700-1500 ad periods. 800 years of mass slaughter and 1600-today was rife with Exile and Murder of Apostates. You are a joke and thankfully hold no power in the west.
@amjadabdullah1878 get your facts straight. The muslims who took Jerusalem from the christian crusaders did so by killing them.
In the past 150 years, muslims have killed numerous jews in the city, not to mention the country as a whole. It is only when jews defend themselves that the arabs cry that they're the victims.
Only yesterday a boarder-policewoman was killed by a Palestinian attacker.
These attacks have been happening every once in a while for god knows how many years. In the '90s there were palestinian suicide bombers blowing up busses. The list goes on and on.
My wife's grandfather witnessed his grandmother being killed in an ally in the old city of Jerusalem when he was a young boy sometime in the 1920s.
So don't just chant slogans. Look for the facts and seek the truth.
@@amjadabdullah1878That was not the claim the poster was arguing for. He did not state that military force makes someone right, but rather effective military strength determines who occupies what set of lands.
Germany did not have the effective military strength to maintain and conquer The USSR and the other Allies. Russia does not have the necessary military strength to occupy all of Ukraine.
The poster is not claiming might is right; they are simply stating an observation that might is involved in occupation.
Amazing lesson, you are doing an incredible job educating people.
Excellent video! Thanks! And thanks for allowing the comments on this sensitive issue.
This is great video enlightening the history of Jerusalem in an objective way! Many thanks.
You didn't catch the narrator contradicting himself between about 4:20 - 4:35?
@@earlysda How so? He said the story is literally false but may have been inspired by real events. Are you fluent in english?
@@TitaniusAnglesmithAnglesmith, "There not too much we can know about this city between the years 2000 and 1000BCE...The only thing that be safely assumed about this period is that the city was likely under the control of the Egyptian new kingdom...because we know that the Egyptians controlled most of the Levant during those years."
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Thus, he contradicts himself.
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Then he gleefully talks about how that basically negates what the Holy Bible says.
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He needs to repent of his denigration of the holy words of God, and refrain from contradicting himself in the future.
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@@earlysda None of that is a contradiction. The bible is wrong. Might want to look up the dictionary definition of the word, but seeing as you presumably think the bible is accurate, a book with truth in it must be witchery.
@@earlysda obviously you are no less delusional, but you are correct in saying that he contradicted himself by creating the arbitrary start of control of the land with the Judahites. The Egyptians reigned and there were likely a number of civilizations inhabiting in the thousands of years prior. History has clearly been tampered with by the religions of past and present (including the scientific religion)
It's wild how relevant this video has become and honestly important with all the misinformation being spread on Social Media. You do important work in this case you could say "Gods Work". Thank you.
can you tell me what kind of "all the misinformation being spread on Social Media. " ?
@@skarhabekgreyrukh8601 I won't waste my time because your question alone tells me you gobble that shit up with a spoon.
@ADSHYN the misinformation that Jerusalem belongs and should belong to palestinian colonizers, which is false.
Even more so if we are talking about gazans, who were never in Jerusalem, and were not for thousands of years.
@bwolos when are yall gonna realize that both Jews and Palestinians have valid claims to the area? Just fucking stop killing each other, live next to each other as neighbors, peacefully. I know that's idealistic and unrealistic of me to want, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why it's such a radical and unlikely idea/ outcome
@@bwolosneither were zionists but you ain't complaining about that now are you?! The notion that one is entitled to a land based on the presumed devine is inherently racist and suggests superiority which goes against every single virtue of judaism. And if anything disgracing the religion. Zionists are the colonizers not the palestinians
I'm glad you didn't treat it as a competition to control the city longest. Your conclusion made a lot of sense!
The analysis was fantastic and completely unbiased. On the question on who should be in control, my question is what point in history do we go back to? Should the Romans or Italians be put back in control? Treaties that try to go back in history and remake a country have failed miserably throughout history with the biggest failure of all time being the Treaty of Versailles that tried this exact same thing and has caused ten of millions of deaths. Why does the world care that the Jewish people are given a tiny strip of land of really no importance. The Palestinians have no claim to the land and why doesn’t Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Syria give them some land.
“Treaties that try to go back in history and remake a country have failed miserably throughout history…”
I agree with this, but you then contradict yourself by saying the Palestinians have no claim to the land. How does that make sense? Who *does* have a claim to the land? The vast majority of Israelis are descended from Europeans who colonized Israel after WW2. The Palestinians are not. Who do you think has a “claim” on the land if you think that:
1. “Treaties that create historical nations fail miserably”… and:
2. “The Palestinians have no claim on the land”
It seems you don’t think either should live in the Levant??
“Why does the world care that the Jewish people are given a tiny strip of land of really no importance.” Well, apparently you should considering you stated that treaties that attempt to re-create historical states “have failed miserably.”
“why doesn’t Saudi Arabia, Jordan or Syria give them some land.” What? Why? Why would a foreign country give people of another country land?? How does that make any sense? It isn’t the fault of those nations that the West Bank (the majority of de jure Palestinian territory) has been illegaly occupied by Israel since 1967.
“On the question on who should be in control, my question is what point in history do we go back to?“ Well, we don’t have to answer that as it was decided in 1948. If our predecessors had gone about the creation of the modern state of Israel in a competent way then the situation in the region might not be so turbulent. Although, extreme zionism and Israeli colonization of Palestine as well as Islamic terrorism also deserve much of the blame.
Calling the land of Israel and Palestine “a tiny strip of land of really no importance“ severely downplays the religious and cultural importance the area has had for followers of Abrahamic religions for millennia.
Judaism + Islam = good, can co-exist peacefully
Zionism, colonization + Islamic terrorism = bad, will cause unending warfare
@@Bubba___ I dunno, isn't the area trending towards peaceful? That is what it looks like to me. Maybe not in the 1000 year perspective, but looking at the last 75 it seems to cool down.
@@davidwebber8454the Canaanites, Philistines and the first Arab tribes who lived there centuries before prophet 1braham even born and moved to it whom modern Palestinians are the decedents so ur claims are false only ppl who have the right to claim this land are the modern Palestinians livin there for centuries who are mvslims, J3ws and Chr1stians who are the decedents of th0s3 Canaanites and 2 tribes of ppl m0vin there I mentioned not the European j3ws who's ancestors are European k1cked from their countries and f0rcibly st3alin their land and that's the only truth here
@@rihamashraf4493which first Arab tribe are you talking about? From which history book?
Based on it's history, I believe it should be one state tolerant of all religions as well as equal representation. In my opinion, the two state solution will alienate people further, and create conflict/boarder wars down the line.
Muslim rulership solved all the problems,all it took is angloid imperialists to cause years of war
When it's one state, the muhammedans will try to get in power, and dominate over Jews and Christians. If they make one state with Jews and Palestinians, the Palestinians will try to take over. They will try to get more and more children, until they have larger numbers, than marginalise non muhammedans.
Jerusalem itself should be a UN administered Neutral city or something. Some sort of Secular council to mediate issues between religious groups.
Equal representation wouldn’t happen with an Arab-majority population, because they are by and large anti-democratic.
@@Thumper17 No, that will only work for a short amount of time. The Jews will always claim Jerusalem, it's their most important city, for Christians it is also the holiest city, But we know when Jesus was in Jerusalem it was Jewish so why should we fight the Jews to make it Christian. we could take Jerusalem in 1 day I promise you, but we can never keep it, because the Jews will always want it back and respect for that. We could take it and make it UN Neutral city, but in 200 years there is no UN, paradigms changes, but forever Jerusalem is the Jews's home, you people don't understand this. As an ally of Israel we can only support them, and hope they will be kind to the descendants of those who conquered their home.
I think an interesting video to do would be "Who would be Caliph today?" following some of the main lines of successions: Ali's Dynasty through Hasan, Ali's Dynasty through Husayn and Musa al-kadhim, the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Fatimids, and the Ottomans. Some of these would be pretty easy, but I think others would be extremely difficult, or at least interesting. Where'd the Abbasids go, and the Umayyads and Fatimids?
Will bro the caliph system in it's first days didn't have to do anything near blood line it was election conceal give a certain name and if people like ok if people didn't they go for another name will until the Umayyad came and they miss it up and make it blood related thing
This has a lot of potential
Harun Osman is the current head of the Ottoman dynasty. The other caliphates are more complicated because they weren't necessarily hereditary but were instead controlled by clans.
The Caliphate isn't hereditary, whoever the Muslim agree upon should be Caliph
The caliphate isn't a royal family or "kingdom" Ummah (practicing Muslims) will decide who will be the caliph.
Dude says "who do you think should control Jerusalem in the future? Comment below!". Can't wait to see how that turns out.
Why would he ask something so controversial? Considering that Jerusalem today already belongs in a country and an attempt to change that would definitely lead to war.
@@msicvbes4977 why not just seek the kingdom not of this world.
@@msicvbes4977 Well the Israeli too did just that, through war too.
Jerusalem will belong to Israel as long as Israel has USA as it's ally. You know, having a world superpower as an ally is a big deal.
@@pelinalwhitestrake3367 except Iran, no other neighboring country can seriously threaten Israel, whether it's allied to US or not
If all RUclips video creators spent this much effort on their videos, we'd all be geniuses.
If we're using the Bible as a historical source, I'm curious why you started counting from the reign of David and not from the conquest of Joshua, which would have added several hundred years to the "Judaism" tally. Thanks for a great video!
Because there are no records to suggest a Jewish exodus from Egypt, nor is there evidence to suggest Joshua’s conquest of Jericho. The story of the Exodus is false because the Israelites always lived in Canaan alongside the Canaanites. Sorry to break it to you
Not exactly. There are a lot of points that prove the exodus is based on reality. Just not like the Bible says.
@@aegis408 She said using the bible as a historical source
@@aegis408Leave it to some guy on youtube to tell you what happened. Rather than a 3,000 year old collection of testimony. Let me tell you something very important: A lack of history from one nation does not discredit a surplus of evidence from another nation. Especially since the Jews, I dare to say, are the only group of people in the middle east to have survived from ancient times to present day. The egyptians are gone, the persians are gone, the babylonians are gone, the assyrians are gone, the phillistines are gone, the Hittites are gone, and the list goes on. Their records left abandoned or destroyed.
there is some archaelogical evidence crediting David's existence but not Joshua's existence
That was actually a very good summary of the history of Jerusalem for an outsider like myself. Lots of information in a short and concise narrative. Thanks very much. I will have to look at what you have to say for other cities/nations in the region including Egypt which has a similar story to tell.
Most every region has a history of conquest and migration for various reasons.
No it wasn't! It was pure propaganda trying to justify a "two state" "SOLUTION" what a disgusting word choice. What we see is some maybe archeological vague evidence of a people group named Judahites maybe controlled the land for 400 years some 2500 years ago and therefore have equal claim to it as the people who have been there steadily for some 1300 years? Unless you are ready to move out of your home and return it to the people who lived there 2500 years ago you'd better wake up and think this bullshit through. This is pure mind fuckery.
I saw this video a year ago and found it so informative that I’m watching again.
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@@DelbertCook-zp4uv sooooo funny...
Extremely good lecture, clear & comprehensive, made complex history easy to understand
Except that he contradicted himself.
It's not too accurate, I made a comment about some discrepencies.
This info is misleading.
The Jebusite tribe were the one living in the region of Jerusalem, their capital was called Jebuse, part of it was occupied the rest Kind David bought with money to build the City of David which later was the site for Solomon Temple since his son finished the construction of the Temple.
Israelites always lived in this land they didn't just came from the Exudes in Egypt, the conquest over the land of Canaan specify the name of the tribes they defeated in that time.
Arabic as a language evolved much much later with the influence of Yemenite tribe that immigrated to the Petra area which are called Nabataeans, later they returned to the Arabian peninsula influencing the local language forming the Arabic language, this is after the Roman arrival to the region by the way, meaning thousand years before Arabs even knew what Salam means.
Phoenician which is the more early form of Hebrew was one of the oldest languages in the region even influencing Greek, evolving parallel to Sumerian which in between the nations had Aramaic from kingdom of Aram, this fake info makes it look like the Arab claims to the city make some sense, Arab's didn't exist outside the Arabian peninsula until the 7th century during the Islamic caliphate occupation, that's common knowledge.
You are on the right track. Phoenician, Aramaic, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic, and a lot of other languages were derived from an ancient language called Proto Semitic. The Canaanites, who were never united and included all the peoples displaced by the Israelites, also spoke Semitic languages. Apparently, Hebrew and Arabic developed as spoken languages about the same time, each confined to its own region. However, Hebrew became a written language almost immediately, and Arabic didn't. Arabic only became a written language when oral tradition failed Islam and something was needed to write the Quran in.
The Phoenicians were trading people with principal cities Tyre and Sidon, and later Carthage in North Africa.
The Philistines were originally not local. They were originally one of the nine sea peoples, probably from Crete, who the Egyptians recorded defeating. They disappeared completely when, like the Israelites, Nebucadnezor hauled their survivors off to Babylon, only the Philistines didn't come back. Naturally, there was intermarriage and cultural mixture between all these peoples. The Israelites varied between tolerance, peace, and genocide towards the various Canaanite tribes. Were always at war with or fighting to end occupation by the Philistines. They were usually at peace with and sometimes allies of the Phoenicians. The status with the Aramaans ( Syria) seems to have changed with every change of ruler by either one.
The Judeans were taken to Babylon speaking Hebrew and returned speaking an Aramaic dialect but retaining Hebrew for religious purposes. The Samaritans were foreigners speaking many languages and worshiping many idols brought in by the Assirians to replace the ten lost tribes. They adopted their own dialect of Aramaic and a twisted form of Judaism.
Then came the "Greeks" and at the time of Christ, the area was bilingual. Coine Greek and Aramaic, with many also knowing Latin or Hebrew.
Arabic only showed up with Muslim conquest, as you said.
@@asafheller5720 iirc jebusites weren't even judaic. I hate how he considers the pre-council/pre-torah judaism as judaism, it's like saying Islam and Christianity are Judaism because they have the same basis. He also blatantly ignores how egypt was the one country to not fall in the bronze age collapse and had records that they won and held onto that region. There's tons of minor inconsistencies too.
Jerusalem is a terrible place. I visited as a pilgrim but instead of feeling closer to god all I felt was hopelessness for Mankind. You can feel the animosity on every street. The blood spilt in an effort to control that city 🤯.
By who primarily?
As an ex Muslim, I found Santiago de Compostela to be spiritually uplifting
I’ve been twice and it was great, don’t know when you went??
So what you felt is the absence of God but that felling is also important
What? It's a beautiful city. I call BS.
I would have liked for Jerusalem to become a city-state of its own, where all religions would be represented equally. I think it’s the most symbolic place to try and create such a place where freedom and respect of religion reigns supreme
All religions or just the 3 Abrahamic religions?
@@jonnymcgrath4816 All religions. Even though there has only been (mostly) these three religions in control of Jerusalem, there’s few other cities in the world that have seen so much religious conflicts between religions still existing today as a major religion. So Buddhism, Hinduism or Taoism for examplr wouldn’t be excluded either
Even though realistically the actual people in the city would probably be mostly just jewish and muslim
Do not let paganism enter Jerusalem 🙏🙏
It was offered with the 2 state solution and Jerusalem being international. but the arabs rejected it. greed and ego is a hell of a thing
@@bluemist3115 the Palestinians say the deal they were offered was crap.
I think this is one of the most objective point of view that can be referenced about Jerusalem conflict of control
Did you miss the part where he contradicted himself around 4:30?
@@earlysda I didn't, but at least this video is more objective than others. Most information about Israel-Palestinian tend to be extremely biased
@@Zain-gf4mfits essentially impossible to find information that isnt skewed by propaganda or bias since the war started so i agree
@earlysda He's wrong, there's a good explanation with archeological basis that they crossed the sea to what is modern day Saudi Arabia, which was settled by Midianites and not part of the Egyptian Kingdom, so his info is false
@@averdadeeumaso4003aver, you speak truth.
I took a class in college specifically on the city of Jerusalem, we read Jerusalem besieged and the list of conflicts over Jerusalem takes up the first 3 whole pages
Great video. My late Father said decades ago that it's good that Jerusalem has a wall, because it should be filled with concrete to stop people fighting over it. Given recent events, I think they will fight over the concrete...
Many sources for late Ottoman period show Christians as second biggest group, behind either Jews or Muslims, depending on the exact year and the source. If you don't attribute this period to a single group, it would make more sense to split it three-way, instead of just two
If they could just be secular it wouldn’t matter, you wouldn’t have to scheme up how to split a city and it’s people apart.
@@Freshbott2 thanks captain obvious
@@Freshbott2 Jews are generally secular.. about 30% religious.. but of course, many religious Jews prefer living in Jerusalem.
Palestinians Muslims are almost entirely religious, with more than 90%.. and with Christians more than 95%
But it's a nice dream having an all secular world.. the world is still mostly religious.. probably your country too, just by pure probability.
@@JackOfAlbion not really. Christianity was born in Jerusalem, sure, but since the 600s, there has never been a Christian majority in Jerusalem until maybe the early periods of British colonialism. Islam and Judaism both have claims to the city (although I personally believe the Jewish one is stronger), but almost everyone agrees that if there is a single rightful governance of Jerusalem, it is not Christian. The Vatican, the centre of Christianity, even recognises both israel and Palestine as sovereign nations, essentially forfeiting their claim to Jerusalem, thus making complete inclusion of the religious base in this video unnecessary.
@@JackOfAlbion you haven’t provided any valid arguments yet. Why is it the only solution? Why is their claim valid? I’m waiting.
This Channel is so good, addictive and worthy of binging all its contents.
"Meaning that a literal version of the Exodus story is very unlikely because it would have the Israelites escaping from one part of the Egyptian empire simply to travel to anoter part of the Egyptian empire"
Somehow that doesn't seem like the biggest hurdle for a literal reading of the Exodus.
Also if God had just destroyed the Egyptian army then it is very likely the Egyptians could have defended the levant
Is that dude going to talk of the israelites without mentioning the Old Testament? Lol...
His version of history is based on secularist scepticism.
So no wonder he denies the exodus.
They somehow expect a 4000 BC document talking about the exodus to be excavated somewhere for them to believe it.
This is so well done!
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This was really insightful, thank you for presenting, I get the timelines mixed up a lot, constantly going back to sites like this to see it in a new and refreshing way. Thank you. (I also buy a chart everyone once in a while as they are really awesome to have.)
This is so good and such a fair and objective analysis. I am really impressed.
1) the calculations are not correct for Jews rule and inhabitance of the land according to biblical sources
Judges(rulers of Jews) ruled Israel for 400 years before the first King of Jews - Saul ruled 40 years that is 900 BC
then - you should straight away add 400 years to JEWS( because now Jerusalem is part of ISRAEL - PALASTINE kingdome has more countries including ISREAL) 2) Christians always claim that Jerusalem and ISRAEL belong JEWS - that includes 500 years of Christian rule to JEWS, Christian Bible, says Abrahama is father of Christians. The Bible says to bless Jerusalem.
now you need to add total 1000+ years to JEWS. == total 2200 years for JEWS. 3) What is the need for Muhamad to claim Jerusalem in his Quran? it belongs to JEWS 1500+ years already; in Quran Muhamad repeatedly told Allah gave the Torah to JEWS, Muhammad tried to take the essence of JEWS history to ISLAM, and Muhammad repeatedly included Jesus as a Muslim sent by Allah - this is PURE evil starts from here.
So I condemn this stealing - Jewish's legacy and their land and their consecrated places;
Muhammad tried to steal - Jesus Christ and his legacy by making him as A-ll-ah's messenger; M-u-ha-mad is the trouble maker, the whole violence in the world - the father fo J1HAD1S; just get ridd of his book, peace will come.
@@UnknownZax9oiooa8Christians persecuted, massacred and genocided Jews, Muslims never did any of that, they let the Jews back into Jerusalem after the Byzantines kicked them out
@@UnknownZax9oiooa8also muslims also say that Jerusalem belongs to Jews, thats why we let them back in, while you guys and the romans before you tried to exile them out
@@UnknownZax9oiooa8the KJV bible is not a reliable source for historical information
@RohYesusterimakasih idol worshipper
Mr. Jude, thank you for bringing light that liberates out of ignorance.
Very cool chart, and interesting to see the history of the city! I was surprised by the final count.
Have you considered doing any videos on the Cossacks? I know the eastern regions of Ukraine have changed hands a bit (and of course, a lot of stuff about that recently).
Seconded, very interesting topic.
Delhi
Love the detail this video goes into, and while I haven't independently verified the dates and data, I am inclined to believe them because your conclusion does not fall into a blanket declaration that one side wins and the other loses, but rather concludes that multiple cultures / religions / people have a right to Jerusalem and it should be shared (presumably in peace)
Why? for 3,000 years that has not been the case. What makes you think that other countries have a right to the land on which another country currently sits? Does Brittan have a right to American soil or India? Obviously they do not. No where else in the world do we say other countries and people have a right to the land on which they do not control. But lunatics think it's ok to oppress the Israelites and say they need to allow their land to be accessed by other people and religions that want to destroy them.
@@Valkaneer not to mention that the religion in question prioritizes another city (and others) over Jerusalem, to the degree that they will point their rear ends at Jerusalem in order to face said other city when praying. They have enough land and cities already. Let the Jews keep what they have in peace.
When Muslims talk about peace, they mean a peace that comes from after conversion to Islam or surrender to Muslim rulers.
And for centuries they taxed non Muslims for not being Muslim.
In a world where Islam exists, there can be never freedom of religion AND peace at the same time. Only conflict.
If there are periods of peace between Muslims and Christians, it’s only because genocide or total subjugation wasn’t logistically possible (which was the case for the Ottoman empire).
Also, the places with the most conflict tend to be in the places with the most “diversity”.
Too many diametrically opposed cultures, in close proximity to each other (like in a large city), makes for a ripe recipe for chaos.
@@atronitediversity is not the cause of violence in big cities. It’s just blacks and Mexicans killing their own people mostly. If you mix Asians and whites, Indians and so on together there won’t be any crime. It’s not really diversity causing it tho
Absolutely excellent video as always! I'm very much looking forward to visiting this great city again in August, B"H, a city that feels very special and magical but yet in some way also terrifying at the same time!
Matt Bakers reign over the holy city is undefeated in the act of Charts .
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Jerusalem rightfully belongs to the Filipinos.
Ah, a man of culture.
lol agreed
nope to the original hebrews (the negros)
Awesome video, it's amazing to truly see how important the city was
*still is
@@giladwasheretravel3553 yes that is true, didn't mean to use past tense
I like how you create these videos without portraying your personal beliefs and religion. These days we need more of these unbiased talks.
Of course items were not mentioned in this video: 1) Jerusalem is never even mentioned in the Quran and was never considered "holy" by Islam until the Jews took it in 1967 when it suddenly became "holy" to Muslims, 2) Recent DNA studies from a newly found Canaanite burial site show that the "Canaanites" were descendants of the Minoan culture and not Arabs at all. Further, Jerusalem/Israel has had a "Jewish" population (sometimes small, sometimes large) for over 3500 years!
So bcz native Americans r indigenous to America it means they should conquer America and kick the white people out??
@Byebyebye22-mv3xh Talking about DNA? Did Isreali jews not claim palestinians are hebrew themselfs? more closer then modern jews themselfs?
of course YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG. Sunce 637M, Dome if The Rock its The Holy Land of Moslem.
Prophet abraham was a muslim. His belief was there is no God but only one allah. He rejected polytheism. And he was friend of allah ( god) and prophet abraham was the first who lived in Jerusalem. And his son prophet issac and grand son prophet jacob was also muslim there belief was also monotheism there is no god but only one allah(god). and prophet jacob's son prophet Joseph was also muslim. He also had same faith like his great grandfather, grandfather and father. Hence proved Jerusalem was always under Muslims by the will of allah (God) . And it shall remain under Muslims till the dooms day.
You know nothing John Snow
Great great video. My take away is the crude notion that I've held for some time that every square foot of this planet is available to whoever has the most and best weapons and their current ambitions.
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This is what most people either don't realize or accept. No one owns anything - you only get to keep the things you can defend - if you can't defend something, it can (and will) be taken from you. Jerusalem belongs to whoever can defend it, it's that simple really.
@mytoll6529 well as recently as the 40s we had a land grab world War so I can't see us getting over it any time soon. The world map is only shaped like that through war - and it will continue to be shaped and reshaped long in to the future. Countries don't spend trillions on the armed forces for no reason :)
@@mikesmithz In that case, Israel's defeat is imminent.
@@mytoll6529 it will still be about who can defend it. Either through their own power or the power of their allies, in which it is still about who can defend it.
This was a fantastic summary and just the right length and level of detail!
Excellent! Seeing it now, when all seems to be blowing (Oct 23). It helped tremendously to keep the record straight. I had a general idea, but missing important info, and of course no idea of the precie account. Thank you very much!
its vastly inaccurate. the first settlement around the euphrat was more than 10000 bce, why should jerusalem be settled so late?
Very informative and good way of opening up discussions on the current situation regarding the war against Palestine. I always find it sad that the people who are forgotten in all this are the local peasant, those who survived and stayed, the common workers.
Meh, ancient history doesn't concern me as much as the current peoples of the world who bake babies in ovens into charcoal.
Finally a very complete, unbiased and easy to understand video❤
Exactly what I was thinking
"Unbiased" lmao. Yeah right. Historically religion was never monolithic as it's presented here. Further, the Judaic timeline is based on the Torah, *not* Historicity, which he basically glosses over. Muslims equally believe they are the descendants of the Judahs, so this is entirely a Jewish intrepretation. Then he starts the with 350 years of Egyptian rule, but never even adds that to the calculation. Wtf is that? We have genetic evidence today that modern egyptians are directly related to ancient egyptians. Moreover, only Judaic states are treated monolithically, mulsims states are considered separate for every new faction that took over the city. Furthermore, "Paganism" is not a thing. It comes from the Latin, "pagano" meaning country dweller, aka hill-billy, because the country folk held onto the old religion longer. They however, never referred to themselves as "pagan" which was essentially born as a derogatory term. Ascribing that term is inherently biased to a post-judeo-christian intrepretation. There are no "unbiased" interpretations, buddy. Don't be guiled by a monotone voice into thinking this is unbiased.
It's very biased this info is misleading.
The Jebusite tribe were the one living in the region of Jerusalem, their capital was called Jebuse, part of it was occupied the rest Kind David bought with money to build the City of David which later was the site for Solomon Temple since his son finished the construction of the Temple, nothing to do with the Canaanites.
Israelites always lived in this land they didn't just came from the Exudes in Egypt, the conquest over the land of Canaan specify the name of the tribes they defeated in that time.
Arabic as a language evolved much much later with the influence of Yemenite tribe that immigrated to the Petra area which are called Nabataeans, later they returned to the Arabian peninsula influencing the local language forming the Arabic language, this is after the Roman arrival to the region by the way, meaning thousand years before Arabs even knew what Salam means.
Phoenician which is the more early form of Hebrew was one of the oldest languages in the region even influencing Greek, evolving parallel to Sumerian which in between the nations had Aramaic from kingdom of Aram, this fake info makes it look like the Arab claims to the city make some sense, Arab's didn't exist outside the Arabian peninsula until the 7th century during the Islamic caliphate occupation, that's common knowledge.
@@asafheller5720 and ....? What is your point?? Arabic evolved from the languages that were there before the same way French evolved from Latin.
Incredibly well written & researched video
What a great analysis. What a wonderful overview and timeline. Thank you very much, indeed. Greetings from Austria.
As an Israeli I even learned some new historical facts. Great video! Thank you
I'll be honest, i always got confused when the history gets brought up when claims are made. But it's clear to see that it's always been diverse and will continue to be diverse. I went there years ago, and even my secular classmates said, "it's easy to understand why people view this place as the holy land". Pictures don't do it justice, it's definitely a site to see in person. And a heartbreak that people who live there do not get along. Also understandable, as there are people in their 90s still waiting to return to their homes. A 2 two state solution sounds good on paper, but it'd be so hard to implement. It would probably be better to break down the boarders and create a new government, but this proposal has also been shut down by everyone involved. Who knows what the future holds, but i really hope we dont go into a world war over this.
When Christian Rome Controlled Palestine, Christians, Jews, and pagans were prosperous and relatively peaceful under the law. Then came the Arab Caliphate from Saudi Arabia. Misery ever since.
In the meantime there are many places in Australia, including from Tasmania, right up the east coast and high country, through Victoria, NSW and QLD, that look like the land of milk and honey to me. Aside from ancient connection, I don't know what the fuss is all about in Israel. It ain't the land of milk and honey anymore. Apparently, Israel averages 508 mm's PA. Well, I live near a place called Dorrigo, that averages 2 metres of rain PA. It is a subtropical paradise, as green as green can be. I'd prefer to be in a place where the rainfall is very reliable. A drought in Dorrigo is when they might only get a metre of rain during the year. In the meantime...Israel 508 mm PA? No thanks. Not worth killing people over it.
No it would not be a world war because the Palestinians don't have the firepower or a major league player sitting in their pocket (USA). Even if Russia interfered it doesn't have the firepower to sustain a war against the USA and their allied partners. China could care less about Jerusalem. China is not a warlike country, like the USA. China wants and probably will rule the world economically. because China doesn't have to buy anything. While the world has to buy what China offers...Just like the British.
@@anastunyaweren’t the Roman’s the ones who kicked them out enslaved them and renamed it Palestine in the first place.
@@newstation795 he is referring to the Christian roman period from 328 to 614. This is discussed at right around the 11 minute mark.
Its crazy to think that had the Romans and Mongols existed at the same time, they together would stretch from Portugal to Korea. Their battles reaching from Scotland to Indonesia.
They did exist at the same time. They formed an alliance
Feels a little weird to count the modern years as joint Jewish and muslim without doing so for any other period. What about the Roman pagan period? Christiaans were a sizeable minority in those days, while not completely comparable to the modern situation in Jerusalem, its still a comparison that should be made.
Perhaps, but there aren't as many ancient Romans around to take offense
@@fluffysheap yeah just seems a bit politically charged. like i mean if you count the years from 1948-1980 something when Jerusalem was divided yes. but it seems right or more correct to do defacto (ie Isareli) control after the Jerusalem annexation law.
Because he isn't actually non bias, throughout history there was a Jewish minority in Israel
He has to keep up the guise of being impartial while being fairly blatantly politically-geared against Israel.
@@aguy6771 Because the what the zionist did is completely illegal under international law and therefore not recognised.
Religion is not ethnicity. Many Jews were Arab and many Christians were Arab too.
but 99% of arabs are muslim
@@korkukokusu8311 LMAOOOOOOOOOO, when youre already a bigot, you dont need to fact check yourself. You make it up and believe it.
@@ai9862 :)
@@korkukokusu8311Lebanon was Christian and Arab 60 years ago.
@@Jackaljkljkl was.
Now I understand where these conflicts rose thank you for the very comprehensive explanaition.
Very interesting. I am sure it will become even more complicated the deeper you go into the historical archives and facts. I also think the same complexity applies to just about any major city in Europe and Middle East. With our world becoming increasingly mixed and integrated, it feels like the fights about who can claim what is becoming more obsolete every day.
Yes, exactly! Europe for example has had so much conquering and re-conquering of land over centuries. We can't get hung up on the past. Let the past inform the future, but release attachments to it and move on for a more peaceful future. Easier said than done, of course. Humans tend to hold grudges and maintain a competitive nature overall.
Europe as well as the region referred to as Israel, today.
That land has exchanged governing authorities many times. It has been conquered over and over again. After the Israelites were taken into exile by Babylon they NEVER regain authority over the land. They were only allowed to reside in the land if they chose.
That's why I think it's utterly ridiculous to claim DNA markers prevalent in an area or region means you can without error or any doubt link people having those markers to ONE SPECIFIC group of people, ancient Israel. How? The land passed through so many hands and was settled by many different nationalities.
Seems pretty clear it was a place of Jews first.
@@skaetur1 Not really, because:
1) In the video is explicitly stated that the origins are unclear and that the Jews came/developed at some later stage.
2) Regardless, they have been conquered several times for very long periods of times by various other nations, in which case you effectively loose any rights to claim a place (if you can't hold it, you loose it). Just search and look into the concept of "Right of conquest"
Also, my point is that the concept of nationalities have become so eroded with cultural mixing that no single person can really claim anymore that they are "pure" A or B or C or whatever. So, if you say place X belongs to A, then who do you actually include? It's almost impossible to draw a line these days. Genetically we are becoming more and more mixed each passing day. I am myself a mix of English, Dutch and German (and more)... So, if I could claim any land based on nationality,, where would it be??
imagine thinking ownership of Jerusalem was what this was all about and not the 20th-important question it is in reality.
also, Western Ukes had (everything east of Lviv) for only, like, 30 years.
There was no Byzantine state until well after the take-over of Constantinople by the Ottomans, when German historians renamed it to “Byzantium” ex post facto, to make their Holy Roman Empire as the only Roman Empire of that time (from 476 to 1453, when its capital fell). While they spoke Greek rather than Latin, the land and people were called Roman, spelled something like “Rhomanoi“, and the people continued to use that name until years after the Greeks got their Independence from the Ottomans and began reusing the ancient name of Hellas and the Hellenes. In short, it is the Romans or the Rhomanoi, not the Byzantines.
Greek lies. How can you be roman if you don't control the city of Rome. Plus Rome it self considered the Greeks illegitimate and their pagan religion
Byzantine is used semantically in English to understand and conceptualise a certain timeframe and Greek dominated area. Its well understood and used for Common history. 90% of people know it wasn't called that along with 99% of names you've learnt about historical national are ones we made up. Lol.
Short version: it's fine
@@varkr2066 Yes we call it Byzantine after the old colony name of the city that became constantinople. I'd be interested to know how the caliphates referred to themselves.
I piss on the Holy roman empire
Holy Roman Empire is such a Joke, it wasn't Holy it wasn't Roman it wasn't even an empire for most of the time.
Ironic that a city that shares it's name with "peace" would be so fraught with conflict for it's entire existence
Really enjoyed this video! Would love to see more of these on some other historical cities.
i like how fair this list was - how you considered majority religions, religious freedoms, etc. instead of just state control
Mr. Baker, thank you. I'm deep in Simon J. Montefiore's book "Jerusalem: The Biography" and your charts helped me to understand clearly the timelines and sieges of the many, many factions that controlled the city. The book's footnotes could stand alone as books themselves. My opinion is that there will never be peace in the middle east (Jerusalem). Why? Hatred, aggression, and greed in the name of religion.
The Islamic world is in crisis and the Arab nations are beginning to ignore the Palestinian 'claim' on Jerusalem. I am positive about peace coming to the area, with freedom of worship for all people, now that Jerusalem is back under Jewish control.
@@sandytatham3592 yeah the whole world saw of the "freedom of worship under jewish control" in ramdhaan of '21 when muslims had gathered to pray in Al-Aqsa and got interupted and shot at by israeli millitary/police. Most of the jews of today don't care about following their tradition because they've secularised, libralized, so eventually, the whole area will be captured by muslims and only then will there be freedom for every religious people (muslim or not) to worship just like the past.
@@theuncausedcause5780: Yes we all saw the Muslim gangs with molotov cocktails, rocks, firecrackers, and other things that they had weaponised to throw down on people praying at the Temple's Western Wall. Even the older Muslims who came to pray were horrified at what those Muslim gangs were doing, having been spurred on by the terrorist group Hamas.
Thank god for social media. We all saw the young guys with shoes on in Al-Aqsa mosque playing football, and their stockpiles of rocks, bricks and stones. It reminds me of what the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan once said "The mosques are our barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets and the faithful our soldiers.
I'm super happy that the Jews are back in control of the Temple Mount, their holiest site.
Kind of pathetic that towards the end the author splits Israel with others because "there's a dispute", when the whole time, whoever controlled the city was counted -- whoever wins battles an conquers, is the one that controls -- there's no such thing as "disputed" -- Israel won and conquered... if they lose (again); they'll be out (again). Easy.
So british?
@@TaranTaranov your reaction seems to me pretty british and Lucca Matt , you are right : if taken on account any other piece of land, i.e. in Europe or America or Africa, your logic would examine you by A but the point is that in the development of people´s mind the city called Jerusalem has a totaly different status, that is why we deal here with world sensitivness to that place, not only Israeli (Jewish and Christian Jewish) and Palestinian ( Muslim plus Arab Christian).
Before even watching this video im super excited to see this put together by you! Im reading through the Hebrew Bible and sometimes have a hard time keeping track of all the kings names, especially when they were renamed by other kings.
I mean this timeline pretty much show my gripe with any historic claims to any region or city ever. Often they have been under control of various peoples throughout the ages. Which makes historic claims never ending.
various religion does not mean various genetic that's not the same
I've always found that watery tarts giving out swords to be the best way of establishing dominion rights over land
The question isn't who should control it. The question should be which religion lets the rest of the religions visit it without any problem. Hint, there is a single religion that calls to kill all who don't believe it, so I doubt they fit the criteria.
Which religion recognizes the three abrahamic religions? Two out of the religions are monotheistic. And, two of the three religions recognize the first and second coming of Jesus (PBUH). Did you get it?
Yeah you are right.... Christians historically prohibited the entry of Jews in jerusalem... while muslim during the time of Umar settled some jews in that city...
@@Az_Zubur_Theologianyes, only if they pay the special tax. Not totally free.
@@kevinng7462 yeah taxes... which muslims had to give more as compare to others
Great video and totally agree with your summary and conclusion!
I really appreciate your RUclips content. Thank you for making it you do a great job!
Group 1: *takes over Jerusalem
Group 2: so, same time next year?
Great vid. Thanks.
I think if history can teach us anything, it’s not who was there first or longest, it’s who can hold it or take it.
Actually it's not just the land everything in life even if it's as little as your sandwich if you can't hold it the school bully will take it
Actually if the call is for the indigenous to have it, the longest does matter. However in this case God gave it to Jews. Thousands of years before Christianity or Islam. It’s why Christ/Isa born there. A Jew. One of the few writings we have passed down for thousands of years is Torah. It’s plain as day. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Aaron, etc.. it is theirs. Israel should be larger when looking at history. There are 1 million Muslims and 200K Christian’s living inside Israel outside of Gaza or West Bank. The people who are Muslim in Israel, Gaza and West Bank are Jordanian, Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese. Those places still exist and Israel is multi faith place anyway.
@@kristinesharp6286A crash course on history of PALESTINIAN STATE:
1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE
@@kristinesharp6286 palestinians arent going anywhere
fourth crusade will be over soon
Palestine is a name given by Pagan Roman Emperor during the time the Jews lived there. There were no Muslims. Jordan exists, Egypt exists, Lebanon exists and Syria exists. Every Muslim in Israel itself, Gaza or West Bank comes from those places in actuality. @@12mak
Who should control Jerusalem?Who are we to decide. As this vid has pointed out, Jerusalem has been besieged, captured, controlled, recaptured many times by many different people of different ethnicities, cultures, and religions. With that fact, and in addition to another fact that many other areas of land around the world has been subjected to the same human behavioral dynamic, Jerusalem should stay in the hands to those who can keep it theirs. That has always been the natural law of, not just humans, but most living things. If you capture a land from an inferior people (militarily, technologically), and keep it from being captured by others, it's yours... The history of Jerusalem shows just that. Let it be.
It should be in hands of Jews because King Solomon temple was there years before the Mosque was built on top.
Thanks for the fascinating overview. I was familiar with most of the content, but to have it presented in this different, yet clear and concise, manner helps in gluing together the bits of history floating in my memory.
I have no (significant) Middle Eastern heritage, and so am not inclined to venture my own opinion on how the area should be governed. It would be good if those that do have a say in such things could be as informed and level-headed as Matt appears to be.
I don’t think you can deny the nation of Israel sole claim of the city, seeing as it was founded by their ancestors for them
@@Monkeyboy707 The oldest peoples we know of in Jerusalem were the Canaanites. This was well before there was a group that historians refer to as the Proto-Israelites (the precursors of the Israelites from biblical times). I don't know that there is any modern group we can identify as the descendants of the Canaanites. The next group we know of that controlled Jerusalem was the Egyptians. So, by the principle you espouse, maybe we should give control of Jerusalem to Egypt. (I'm sure that would solve everything).
@@BobHutton Obviously the descendants of the people who lived in that area are broadly the people now living in that area. Languages, religions and names change over thousands of years, and new generic add mixtures included, but these are the same people. That shouldn't come as a surprise.
Frankly, I find the relevance of who controlled or founded a city thousands of years ago quite stupid. This has no relevance to people's right to self determination.
@@charles5a I'm not sure that it is obvious. Migrations and ethnic cleansings have occurred throughout recorded history.
But I do agree, the issue of who established or controlled the city thousands of years ago is of little relevance as to how the city would best be controlled now. (Hence my previous tongue-in-cheek suggestion).
@@BobHutton exactly, but a lot of Zionists would try to argue for control of all of Palestine(the entire region) just because of some events 2000 years ago, while also ignoring the millennia of Islamic rule in the city and the current reality of most of the people of Palestine being Muslim and not Jewish.
that is very strange, we keep being told that the jews are colonialists in Israel,
when they obviously have been there first and for all that time non stop for about 3500 years.
muslims didn't appear in sight until the last 1400 years.
Not true
@@shafsteryellowit is the Vaticans created yall and backstab Muslims religion
@@shafsteryellowit you don't believe me I dare you to read or watch Alberto reveras books especially "godfather"
A most interesting and useful historical analysis that properly debunks modern claims to exclusivity.
Depends on who was from the area as compared to outside invaders.
Here's an idea: You could do academic genealogies! That would be super interesting. And could be a nice look into some history of science.
Brilliant and much needed at the moment. Too many forget the British were hardly the first colonial empire and this was a wonderfully factual recounting of that without emotion. I shudder at modern education.
At least for me I never thought in the British, while having Spain or the Roman Empire, or even the incas
Those other empires were not colonial, so there’s a huge difference
@@suiz1781 he never talk about colonialism
@@suiz1781 really how so? Frankly, I find that.m ridiculous
@@suiz1781 There's zero difference. Colonial can describe ANY empire. Every piece of conquered land outside of Rome was a colony of Rome. People really need to learn what "colonial" means. It isn't some newer form of conquering nations that only Europeans took part in...
Maybe the real Jerusalem was the friends we made along the way
This reminds me of how my theology teacher used to call Jerusalem the city of peace that never saw peace
Yes, they're likely all about controversy.
But actually it makes more sense, becaue it is for the peace of what ? Just itself pr the whole world ?
I think you've summed it up pretty well, thanks.
When it comes to the exodus being an escape from Egypt to another part of Egypt, although the Egyptians claimed the part of the Middle East where the Jews escaped to, they did not have a lot of control over it
Yeah, based on what I know of Egyptian history, although they claimed the Levant, most of their time was spent focusing on Egypt proper. The Amarna letters for example are from what I assume would be Egyptian governors of the major cities begging the pharaoh for help from invaders, but there is no record of said pharaoh responding. Interestingly, the letters correspond to the traditional date of Joshua's conquest.
Quite often with these empires it was more a case that the Great King would be happy to leave the vassal Kings to their own affairs, so long as the regular tribute arrived on time and the vassal King provided an army to the Great King as and when he demanded.
Also escaping from one part of a country to another is not unprecedented even by modern standard -- the Mormon Migration, Underground Railroad, the Great African American Migration.
But you are missing it is really not very hard to raid a massive group of hungry people attacked by flaming serpents.
You are missing a very important piece of information here! The city of Jerusalem was established by the Cannanes 4500BC and named after their king ايروشاليم
3500 years of the history of ancient canon the real indigenous people of the land if we don’t start from the beginning we would have incomplete picture of what happened in this land.
The problem with your idea is that the canaanite people no longer exist. Of the ancient groups mentioned in this video, the only one who still exist in modern history are the Jews, which gives them the longest ties to the land of any people who currently exist.
@@shaikatz3816Palestinians are descendants of Cannanes. They're not 100% Arab
If you are to call Palestinians Canaanite indigenous then you invalidate the ahl al bayt lineage of many who claim Said, companions of the prophet, bedouin lineage and descent from Khalid ibn al Walid- a Hejazi. Not to mention those Husseini who are Asiri. One cannot have it both ways.