Building a cyclone dust collector (part 3 of 3)
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2022
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Part 1, Building the Cyclone:
• Building a Cyclone (DI...
Part 2, Building the Blower:
• Building a Blower (DIY...
Website article with CAD model:
(Link coming soon. Or just email me for the CAD if you don't want to wait)
Thanks to Bill Pentz. His website provides useful info about dust collection:
billpentz.com/woodworking/cycl...
I was also inspired by Marius Hornberger to do this build. Here are Playlists to his fantastic dust collector builds:
• Building a Small Dust ...
• Building a Big Dust Co...
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Jer, I don’t know where to start. I throughly enjoyed every part of this build. The things that really stand out are your ability to achieve excellent fits between components using readily available shop items, your use of guides and clamps is pure genius, the features are novel and effective and your narrative is outstanding. You are part of an elite group of craftsmen I watch on RUclips. I hope your life is satisfying and that you have a stable source of income so you’ll be able to continue to entertain and educate people like myself. God bless you,
I was struggling to think of a good comment for this great video and then I spotted this one my Harold here, he said everything I wanted and more. Keep up your good work well done.
I'll join you on this comment. Couldn't have said it more clearly.
I second that emotion. Elite craftsman sum Jer's work up for me. Brilliant
I couldn't have said it better.
Mad skills, man, mad skills!!!
In spite of your misgivings at the end of this video, I think it's clever, ingenious, and built with an attention to detail showcases the precision needed in the construction of the cyclone dust collector. Well done, Jer.
It's more important that you built it and made it work (with legendary attention to detail and aesthetics) than that it works as well as the store-bought version. Any old fool (such as myself) can throw down a credit card. Only a few can build. BTW, I thought being burned-out on projects was only my personal pathology. I'm encouraged to know I'm not the only sufferer.
Relate to the project burn out pathology. Good to know I can put it down to that, rest up snd come at it again.
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I enjoyed every minute of the build. Your attention to detail is outstanding. The planning and craftmanship make it a work of art. Please continue to post your work.
I totally agree with every word. 👍👍
Your builds are legendary. I hope you're doing well mentally and keep bringing us more.
You can do anything you want to, and for that you should be proud, and yes, the Cyclone "Looks Cool!"
At least you are honest about what is good/bad about the build and finally how it actually performed.
My favorite times logging into RUclips? Is when I get notifications that Jer Schmidt and also when My Mechanics have a new video!
the modified hose clamp to the filter was a genius idea
Hey man don’t beat yourself up, it’s an awesome project and you proved that you could do it not to mention the fact that you learned a lot of new skills so mark it as a win!
Looks really good. I especially like the way the dust bin latch mechanism turned out. I think you're absolutely right that the impeller needs to be larger. Higher CFM means increased air speeds, which should help with the efficiency of the cyclone I think. The faster the air is spinning in it, the more the dust will keep pulled to the outer edge.
Agreed. The cyclone will need a certain amount of airflow to properly establish itself. I'd guess what's happening is the air is slow enough that the cyclone separates from the walls partway down the cone and starts flowing upwards before it gets to the opening at the bottom, which will lead to turbulence and some of the dust that's falling down the sides being pulled back in and up the centre.
Higher CFM should both improve separation of the fines and also make sure the cyclone generated can actually fill the whole cone and dump out at the bin opening.
That said, this is an awesome build Jer and I'll be watching to see what improvements get eventually made when you're over the burnout!
Also, when you were testing you sucked up a few huge clumps of dust that went up the hose in one go. Those play havoc in cyclones and most of them typically blows right through. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% or more of the dust in your filter came from those big blobs, and in actual use the cyclone performance is much better as dust produced in actual operation is much more evenly distributed rather than coming in big chunks.
It's always a good day when there's a new Jer Schmidt upload. Like a ThisOldTony video, it's well worth the wait.
I'm sorry you're burnt out from the project, because I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the series. It looks great, if that's any consolation. Thanks for sharing!
I can almost feel your pain at the very end, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching every episode.
So excited to see more builds from you. There's a clarity to your design that I really admire.
When the Hubbel telescope first sent images to Earth, the builders were shocked - the images were blurry. The engineers cried into their pillows one night and then worked on a solution. In the end it was a great success! I am sure that a jack of all trades like you will find a solution and your Hubble, sorry, your dust collector will end up working great! I admire your skills and wish I had half of them! 👍🙋♂
I have not seen so many videos that are this organized, complete with details and the great narration.
I watch far, far too many hours of RUclips but there are probably only 3 builders where I get genuinely excited for a new video - Marius Hornberger, Pask Makes and you!!
the hoseclamp idea is just genius, gonna adapt and use that so often from now on :D
I love that the grinder was a building block for the future. Your work is improved, both faster and easier, because of the grinder.
As I built my first grinder I was constantly finding that a grinder would make this a lot easier.😁
lol "where someone /else/ drilled into my table". awesome work, as always. keep it up.
Awesome as always 🍻
Hope you keep it up and stay positive. You have so much to offer, my friend.
You have such clever solutions to obstacles in this project. When I see your ideas this quick, it seems they come naturally to you. In reality, I'm sure you waste just as much time as me project planning and cleaning up!
Haha, the admission at the end reminds me of most of my projects. I still learned a lot of tricks from your clever mind like always, thanks for sharing! Hope you keep uploading more projects.
I wish I had half of your brain power. Would love to see you and Marius H. do a collab. Two of the smartest guys on the planet!
Hey Jer, you've done a tremendous job with this and made one beautiful machine. Don't be too worried about the efficiency you've seen in just this video as there are a couple simple improvements you can make, and the filters do need to get somewhat loaded with a little dust to break them in. The fact that there was basically no dust at the bottom of your clean out tray is a good sign.
As you mentioned, you can absolutely put a larger more powerful impeller on, and they are even relatively cheap if you just want it done. More draw might not seem like necessarily the way to increase efficiency, but it can tighten the spiral of dust in the main body and that will help.
But the biggest thing is that there is an enormous efficiency loss is non laminar flow into the cyclone, so make sure that you have ~5' of pipe that smoothly transitions from your 8" main trunk to the square inlet.
I am the foreman of a large scenic events shop, and we just built out the dust collection system. We had two massive improvements. The first was switching to a clearvue cyclone, and the second nearly as great an improvement in terms of efficiency, was re routing the pipes to have a long, clear, straight shot into the machine.
Do that and I think you'll have a very satisfying result. But either way, I love your work man and am currently building your grinder (two actually).
Thank you for the suggestions! I am designing the ducting with a ~5ft straight shot before the inlet. I knew that was a good idea but figured it wasn’t that big of deal. Thanks for the info.
That sir was an amazing video. I'm a retired millwright and never had to do some of these things and if i did i had blueprints. This work takes a level of genius to do this without instructions or blueprints. It sounds like you almost have it.
The inventor of WD 40 didn't get it right in 39 tries. Don't give up.
If I won the lottery, I'd built and fund your dream shop and share in the spoils of your imagination. You're a legend.
Everything you make is amazing. Leonardo of the Americas.
The word "Genius" comes to mind
I totally appreciate the conclusion. No time was wasted, if it was easy everyone would be making cyclone dust extractors. The experiences and demo of skills is worth more than it weighs in gold.
"Lofting" the octagonal to rectangular duct was epic! never seen that stuff outside of CAD lol!.
ALWAYS worth watching your videos, Jer! I always walk away having learned something new and I always feel inspired to get out to my shop after. Really enjoyed this entire build.
Great for the series: Stuff money can’t buy. 🎉 wow, what a build.
Those hose clamp modifications and the bin retention latches are strokes of genius. Thanks for sharing!
See Mr. Choate's comments. Ditto from me. Stunning work, brilliant innovation, honest evaluation. Nice job. I'll be surprised if a design-manufacture skunk-works doesn't make a job offer you cannot refuse. All the best.
That is an awesome looking dust collector! No failures, just more experience!
I was worried when I saw your channel captured. Happy to see you didnt gave up.
Dear Jer, this cyclone is beautiful. Thank you for sharing the build. Best wishes, John
Jer, congrats on finishing a long-term project! Bill Pentz' decades-old work stood the test of time. Your detailed narration about the build is appreciated. $500 saved may not seem worth the effort and feeling burned out. However, the experience and learning you gained while inspiring or giving other builders ideas are priceless.
Great content as usual..your hair barrettes are cute..
This video is best described as a master class in metal and timber fabrication. It is just brilliant.
This looks like something a Spider-Man villain would make. And I love it.
Astonishing ! Next project : a new earth axis. Number one !!!
I just watched till the end. Those remarks are only acceptable because WE, your audience, KNOW that you're a perfeccionist and that to raise the bar is your lifestyle (which we appreciate so much. Makes no good of a channel to simple build stuff in a hurry and with no precision). What makes Clearvue miles behind your project are your videos. Period. Those are free classes on how to do stuff. I'm amazed.
Yeah, but it is a work of art not just a tool. Great video Jer thumbs up.
This was a fascinating series. Thank you for posting your project online.
Cyclones don't work well when sucking up a lot of fine dust at once.
Hose clamp trick is brilliant!
Holy shit you are good at this. Thanks for the content! You can tell it's VERY well made. Hope your mental health is better. You deserve to be happy doing what you enjoy
Even if you are partly happy with the outcome, your solutions are ingenious and you are an inspiration source! Well done!!!
Hi Jer, very well done. cyclone. I'm glad because you have the right hands, you teach everyone with this, thank you again!!!!!!
I've been admiring your work and skills since the begining, so long live your channel !! Keep posting!!!
As a Technician and Fabricator I can say you did a great job overall. For it's a great layout and compact enough to be functional. Indeed the impeller itself might be wrong size and profile for such a large system to function optimally but that's no reason to be discouraged. As for the noise levels, that can be somewhat reduced to an extent with some stick on rubber pads on the larger metal surfaces and the impeller casing or some spray on/brush on sound dampening rubber paint that can be found in most automotive or hardware stores. Looking forward to seeing what your next projects might be!!!
That's the most awesome and awesomly overbuilt dust collection system ever. I enjoyed every minute of watching you building it.
watching you problem solve and figure out ways to accomplish your goals is truly wonderful. I hope you keep at it and find a project that you can love
I love the simple jig using the drill bit as the pivot point for grinding the radius.
Long video but I can say your attention to detail is what kept me glued to the screen, those little hose clamp ideas, brilliant! Your welding is great, I personally appreciate seeing MIG, people on RUclips over use and under deliver on TIG. You probably already know Jody at Welding tips and tricks. He has an old video on distortion that was a game changer for me. In a nut shell think of lacing up your shoes when welding and this will help your distortion issues. Cheers and keep enjoying the journey!
Btw, I’d like to add to all of the accolades, and say that no matter what Jer is building, whether something uneventful and boring or something one of a kind, he makes it so interesting to watch because of the attention to detail, precision, ingenious and simple solutions to various problems that we may run into, hacks, beautiful engineering and design, he never fails to surprise me constantly. I have learned so much from just this 3 part series. The first thing I thought whenever I watched him work was “I could definitely hang out with this guy”
I haven't seen anyone this passionate about collecting dust. Highly enjoyable to watch!
I agree. My dust collection system is a broom and dustpan.
kudos my dude. that's the fanciest dust collector i've ever laid me ol eyeballs on
This was a great watch, and your bucket design is super clever...I just have a galvanized trash can, and it's an ordeal to empty. Nice job, even with what you're calling drawbacks.
Those hose clamp mods were really smart, thanks.
Jeremy, regardless of how you are feeling about it, and how well it is or isn't working, you are truly brilliant and an inspiration. Amazing build!!! Thank you.
you make those holes in your drillpress table look like a feature!
You didn’t just make a dust collector, you made a work of art! You’re incredibly talented!
The skill to design and build this thing is amazing. Great to see.
"I'm not drilling a /new/ hole into my table. I'm drilling into an old hole in the table." xD
And that idea of the modified hose clamps is extremely clever.
Even if it didn't even turn on.... its a thing of such beauty! Your craftsmanship is top notch.
man your welding is complete eye candy. I don't know how to weld, I want to and I don't want to. Watching you makes the decision harder. I appreciate all you work and effort is showing your skills. You have a gift.
you should learn to weld if you think you’d like it!!
so much detail, finesse and your priorities align highly with mine. I dont click sub very often but yes.
Loved watching. You can go to the store and buy a Monet print already framed for under $100… it may do the job of providing decoration on the wall, but that’s it. The store bought version is not a work of art. Your cyclone is the real deal!
Jer, I really enjoyed all 3 of the videos on this project. The other series I remember weel was building the grinder and the improvements you made to it.
I hope to see more of your videos. Thank you for doing them.
I really like the octagon design theme you're developing; I see that in the legs of your welding table as well. It's really good to see you doing fun things!
Ooh, gosh, I guess not fun after all. I'm sorry - I commented before I got to the end.
Hi Jeremy. Well, I for one definitely enjoyed watching it, and I never cease to be amazed at some of the tiny tricks you use to mark out / 'machine' / assemble etc., the various items. Some of which I will definitely use in my future projects.
May also compliment you (as I have before), on your fantastic build explanations along the way, and the mix of real time, and speeded up/time lapse video which, I would say, just about perfect.
Thanks for taking the (considerable amount of) time to share these projects with us.
Regards Mark in the UK
Enjoyed it immensely. Definitely a bigger impeller 16" min with 3 phase motor and VFD to solve the current draw/soft start issues, convert from single to 3 phase & allow you to tune to requirement. When you re-do the impeller, go for 4mm backing plate, 3mm fins. Allow the fins to overhang the outer edge of the backing plate by 35mm, which saves a lot of rotating mass on the backing plate. Pay attention to rounding/easing the exposed edges of the fins because the edges are where a lot the turbulence/noise/inefficiency comes from. Great job... I learned a lot from watching.
Wow, what a build!!! So it could be better??? You can make it better!! The attention to the details and problem solving was amazing. Looking forward to seeing more videos from you . Thanks for sharing!!
Thats the most honest take I have ever heard at the end of a project. Very rare. Normally from other creators, what they built is the best thing ever, and then 10 weeks later it has some how disappeared from the background of their videos... Great quality on the parts made, so I'm sure with the tweaks mentioned, performance will be good.
Totally enjoyed watching it. As Jimmy DIresta says, " You go to school on the first one." You got the basics soundly implemented, it just needs fine tuning but, yes, it looks awesome. Be proud, you earned it.
Love this build and your attention to details. I can completely sympathise with your frustration. Thanks for the video. 😊👍🏻
You are one talented and inventive kid!
Best Saturday of the month!
Personally, I think this whole project has been awesome.
Man that is some good engineering. If I ever get a shop I’m probably going to make one like this or very similar
Definitely enjoy watching your OCD builds. Most beautiful and finely detailed dust collector out there. It's a shame you didn't enjoy it, though. The reason I pour time into infrastructure projects like this is because I gind the process a lot of fun :-) PS, cyclones work best for bigger chunks. That stuff looked fine and it seems like it caught the vast majority of it anyway.
Thanks! I enjoy this type of projects, but after the first month or two I was burnt out, and just had to push through the last 70% of the project.
Outstanding build Jer!
The tricks for making the sheet metal ducts were great.
I second several of the other comments about the larger impeller that has tighter clearances to the housing will prevent blow-by. Alternately, instead of a larger impeller, you may be able to add a layer of rigid foam insulation inside the housing to take up the space. If the impeller rubs on the foam, it'll just wear away and turn to dust.
Your age combined with your fab skill and ingenuity is nothing short of astonishing. The frame alone, is chef's kiss, the entire thing is a dream setup. There's nothing like this on the market. Nothing that even so much as kisses the feet of this machine. Awesome.
Also, don't sweat the details. Rome wasn't built over night, and each rendition improves an item. The most important lesson i've learnt over the years is this. "GET THE ITEM DONE". There's no substitute for having the framework in place, when it comes to improvements. So even if it doesn't meet your expectations, you'll now be able to effect changes that are based on actual, touchable items, not just theoretic or thought experiments/math.
wow I will say one thing you really know how to weld those are very nice welds
I thoroughly enjoyed this series. You are a craftsman with incredible attention paid to details!!! Well done.
"It's FINISHED! And I hate it!"
Definitely know those feels.
I don't think I've ever heard someone on here candidly admit that a project sucked this much to do, and I love that you did it! It was funny, and puts things into perspective. Nonetheless, like everyone else said, you did a fantastic job and we love seeing your work. Cheers Jer
Its more then “ looks cool “ its genius, mind blowing.
And Im sure your perfectionist skill will figure out a way that makes you happy with that project.
Great job 👏
And to be fair, the amount of dust you’ve tried to vacuum is massive, just try it with a regular wood work and I guarantee you will be happy 🥰
I don’t use this phrase often, but you are brilliant.
I certainly enjoyed watching the series, learned a lot of neat little tricks. Thanks a lot for looking forward to more of your projects
Your design and fabrication skills, and attention to detail is on a whole ‘ other level. Super impressive!
the sawdust heart was *chefs kiss*
Great to see you still making videos of your projects 💪🏼
Impressive build, love the ending, I definitely enjoyed watching it.
I have also made a cyclone, to use with a sandblasting cabin. It has been working extremely efficiently for 6 years now. Mine is much smaller, maybe 1:3 1:4 scale of yours and it runs with a regular shop vac. I believe you have seriously oversized your cyclone or undersized your blower, it's really the same thing. Cyclones work by creating a very strong vortex in the cone periphery, the stronger the vortex(which is maximized by high velocities and relatively small cone sizes) the more difficult it is for the smaller mass dust particles to escape the vortex (because of centrifical forces) and be sucked into the blower, so they fall in the collection section. So you most likely need a much bigger cfm blower to generate much higher velocities and create a much stronger vortex if you want your cyclone to work more efficiently and also trap finer dust.
At 24:00 when you first turned it on, I couldn't shake the visual of it being so powerful that it just sucked you in through the little port :D
I appreciate the review of the project at the end. I've done more than one project that has been a slog like that, and for little apparent benefit, but I wouldn't change a thing, because of all the lessons learned and experiences gained. I think that the whole dust collector is literally a work of art. Loved the steel transition especially. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Craig
Man I feel that ending on a personal level. When you make something right it takes a long time, costs a lot for good materials, and in the end if youre not already an expert in that field chances are its performance isnt going to blow you out of the water. When it comes to making stuff you gotta choose your battles. The final product is super nice looking though, and of course the attention to detail is amazing.