How the NEW REPUBLIC destroyed the first YUUZHAN VONG WORLDSHIP | Star Wars Battle Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- On today's Star Wars Battle Breakdown, we examine how the New Republic destroyed the first Yuuzhan Vong worldship at the Battle of Helska IV.
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The Battle of Helska IV, from Vector Prime of the New Jedi Order saw the New Republic attempt to destroy a Yuuzhan Vong Worldship. Lando, Luke, Jaina, Jacen and Anakin Solo, with the help of Kyp Durron, fight thousands of corralskippers in a losing war.
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EckhartsLadder well that's a weird and cheap way of deleting an entire planet (star wars logic never makes sense)
Please make Star Trek Battle Breakdown!
EckhartsLadder
It's ok
EckhartsLadder I think they might have mint heated instead of cooled if the ice had methane pockets in large amounts it could trigger a large explosion
well a rise in heat is an influx in the vibrations of particles: so by adding energy into the system (whilst counterdicting basic thermodynamics) the excess energy can be used to slow the micro-vibrations in a way similar to how lasers are used to cool matter to near absolute zero
but that's just a theory
an EU theory thanks for reading
Judging by where that worldship landed, it seems like even in a galaxy far far away, the Balkans still can’t catch a break.
Justafan IV buaaahaha i noticed the same thing.. bloody ship landed right dead smack on the Balkans.. good eye
LMAO
I didn’t even notice it was earth until I saw this, that’s amazing😂
I was wondering if anyone saw this as well, its really strange to use that
payback for causing WW I and indirectly every war after that
I'm an astrophysicist, and yeah… I was really disappointed by the explanation given in the book, since it really didn't make any sense. It would've been fine if they hadn't insisted the strategy was based in actual thermodynamics, because cooling a system by adding *more* energy to it doesn't really work unless you manage to use the energy to remove the hotter particles and leave the colder ones (this is what evaporation does). But then the planet explodes…? So I think they could've skipped the "we're cooling it with this method" entirely and it would've been better.
However… The shieldships were built to *dissipate* energy from the nearby sun at Nkllon, not concentrate it back. That's why they had an umbrella shape, basically. So I doubt the plan would've worked unless you keep the six of them close together in a concave configuration, and definitely not just a couple of them reflecting a bit of energy back…
I wonder whether the World Ship drew so much power (because it's defense was not very effective due to the Shield Ships) from the planet's core that it just imploded? If it cooled the core by absorbing all the thermal energy to power it's energy needs too fast it would make sense. Shielding against that kind of energy is exactly what those ships were designed to do.
I know I'm massively late to the party, but wouldn't adding heat to water in one place of the planet, causing it to evaporate, shift air and water currents locally, causing a big cooldown in the rest of the planet? That vapor rises into the athmosphere, both generating a vacuum and displacing the cold air around, which goes down to the surface and cools the planet's surface down in the area around the heating (because evaporation is the convective transfer of energy from a liquid to a gas/vapor, and planets work, as far as I know, as a set of big ass convection "cells")
Imma pretend I understood what the fuck u just said
But the alternate way to blow up the planet is to magicly find a death star in luke's back pocket
@@chuahseongteik4488 Was there a real need to blow it up, though 😄
It's funny how yuuzhan vong worldships are shaped like a galaxy,symbolising their invasion for control of the star wars galaxy.
Darth Vader shaped like pizza.....*mouth waters*
BXOTROT ___ now i'm gettin real hungry...
That's why we don't let italians travel to space.
Darth Vader star destroyers ARE pizzas
Nguyen Ngoc Phi Ho you underestimate the power of pepperonis.
Now this is why you need an Eclipse in your fleet. Superlaser VS World. World Is badly damaged. Superlaser VS thing smaller than World. Blown to hell. Well, unless Base Delta Zero works on World Ships. Then you don't need an Eclipse. I'd still have one though. Just in case.
Might have worked, not sure how the Eclipse would have dealt with Dovin Basals and the gravitic effects they have though. So there is that hole in your plan.
Use the massive number of conventional turbolasers focused into a small area to saturate them, THEN lay out the superlaser punch.
Geez, well I guess I better go grab that Eclipse SSD that I had just laying around in my wardrobe ffs
They should have kept some blueprints for a Eclipse star destroyer after destroying the first one that was owned by the cloned palpatine.
Random Typer002 they would have never had enough time or resources to build it
Planet made of cold, u add some warm, and boom. Got eem
-scientific explanation
yep. i see nothing wrong with this^
You could technically make it explode by sublimating a lot of the ice, turning it directly into steam. I'm not sure what you would need to do this, but I would think it would work.
What happened was isostatic rebound- the melting ice caused the tectonic plates to lift up- on a weak planet interior a barrage of twisted tea and hillary clintions batty clinkers and the whole planet goes kaboom bitch
Any analysis of the Yuuzhan Vong is worth a watch. One of my favorite sci-fi factions of all time.
wait a moment, that's earth in an ice age that you used for the planet
Even in the Star Wars galaxy, the Balkans can't catch a break.
Exactly one my thoughts.. if so and that ice as WE KNOW IT. That's not how science works. Can respect they tried a real world, science approach that would possibly make sense. But the only way that works is if basicly we're ACTUALLY talking about Venus in an ice age here full of Methane and other frozen known explosive gases here.. question is how much would be required to actually do THIS an have the kinda effect seen here.. An they said by "cooling" but MOST explosive gases known explode like that by some kinda HEAT source.. so I guess plot is also a good detonator too...
Star Wars trying to be Star Trek.
That's exactly what is used. This is also sound science in theory. When the oceans warm up, they evaporate more, and water vapor is way stronger as a greenhouse gas than CO2. Here's where the climate change crew lies to you all. They continually claim that the greenhouse gases will warm the planet when in fact the opposite is true. The greenhouse effect pushes more of the sun's EM radiation away from the Earth, MUCH more than is trapped within the atmosphere. This will actually have a net cooling effect, not a warming effect. This is actually reflected in the first climate change theory in the 20th century which claimed that we were heading for a cooling cycle. I trust this analysis because it was the most uncorrupted analysis before the whole climate change thing became a scandal.
@@marty7442 You sir, makes zero sense whatso ever. Water vapor today is literally the clouds above our heads. When they get too heavy (due to too much water vapor trapped in them) they let go of the vapor in the shape of rain. That's how it's worked on Earth for millions of years. Water is heavy as fuck, so it won't ever stay long enough in the atmosphere to cause any climate change. I don't even think that saying is scientifically plausible. CO2 and Methane isn't heavy at all. You need a planet wide atmosphere like the one on Venus before any of that starts to fall like rain. Which won't happen before all life on Earth has gone extinct (literally nothing we know of can survive on Venus. We can't even craft a spacecraft that can survive on the planets surface for more than a few minutes before it gets crushed).
You have a lot of science to read up on
This story goes to show you how different canon and Legends content are different in so many ways. I've never heard this battle until now. I'm liking this channel. Just found it a couple of days ago before the new year.
Yeah it makes no scientific sense whatsoever.
*but then again, this is Star Wars*
That is not an argument. Every Universe has its own internal rules and those rules have to be maintained, otherwise, it just does not make sense and you get the Disney trilogy. For example. The rule of Simpsons is a very selective continuity. And we understand that. But it is not something you can pull off in Star Wars, that universe has different rules.
@@kofola9145 agreed. This new set of movies doesn't follow the established rules and universe at all.
I've always assumed that the planet was more of a dead comet in a captured orbit rather than its own world. In that case, shielding it from the nearby star could force to freeze even more but it would definitely take a significant explosion to start the planet shattering.
The energy redirection was the equivalent of singing a note of the exact frequency to make glass shatter. The energy front caused the planet to fragment, made those moon-sized shards shatter further, so on and so forth.
That's my interpretation at least.
I've been toying with the idea of having 20+ Interdictors to use their gravity wells to rip apart or even crush opposing navies/planets. Would that work? And if so, would that be able to fight the Vong?
The navy that doesnt have to fire a single shot.
Potentially, but you eould need a lot of them. You could also maybe use tractor beams (which in Star Wars can only 'pull') for a similar effect.
Gravity wells don't work like that. Vong dovin basals (I hope I spelled that right) are miniature black holes so they manipulate gravity, but an Interdictor only simulates a planets effect on hyperdrive. I suppose if you got enough it might work, but those ships aren't cheap. There are better uses, like a Thrawn Pincer.
Interesting idea, but it would be very difficult for several reasons.
1. You want to crush your opponents ships not your own. Therefore it's important to calculate the necessary safety distance between your ships. But if your ships are too isolated from eachother, they become an easy target until the gravity wells are activated.
2. I would always recommend to crush them, since the gravity pull makes Interdictors into a flying magnet. Enemy torpedoes won't miss their target, because of the gravity well.
All in all it's an interesting tactic, but there are much more efficient tactics. For example gravity bombs. Use Separatist style boarding craft and ram them into a cruiser. Activate the bombs and pull every enemy starfighter and frigate into the cruiser. Or use a rope tactic, if a black hole is present. Create a tug-of-war situation were your Interdictors "fight" with the black hole over the enemy ships. Once enough energy is built up, deactivate the gravity wells of your Interdictors and observse how the released energy pushes the enemy fleet into the black hole. But remember that enemy torpedoes won't miss their target.
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96th Attempt:
Yuuzhan Vong vs. Reapers
* Love the vids Eck keep it up
"The planet blows up, because of science"
Science baby
Drunk Anakin: Hey guys! I am totally sober, let’s blow up that planet with shields!
The planet looks like earth covered in ice
2:09
Thats basically our Earth in the Ice Age😂
Fallout prewar America Vs. Brotherhood of Nod at the start of the third Tiberium War
Idea: do an episode where you describe your “perfect fleet”, with access to ships from Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, and/or other sci-fi universes.
(29th try)
Probably a powerful main capital ship, like the Eclipse or the UNSC Infinity, and then pepper in a bunch of corvettes and light cruisers to screen for fighters, and some interdictor ships to prevent escape.
5:47 "The planet blows up - because of science."
I love how you were honest in the beginning. Keep up the good work!
Oh real star wars how i have missed you. I CRY FOR LEGENDS EVERYDAY
Plot > science and logic
By far
Corsuscant defense fleet vs UNSC home fleet
Clone Trooper Depends which era you are talking about. Coruscant defence fleet in the Empires or Kryats time would thrash the UNSC home fleet! However the clone wars variant could be closer
@@joshuakielty also depends on which UNSC home fleet. During the human covenant war, or after? Afterward, even lowly frigates have some decent shieldpower.
The real reason they won: Anakin told them to have the High Ground
Also, great video
But the plan Anakin hatched made no logical sense
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways:
Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!*
I have made this request: Forty-two times.
Going to end at... fifty? Sixty? Let's find out.
Don’t you mean the recapture of Coruscant
2:48, I just noticed, your image of the planet is earth, but iced up. The image is around Anatolia, and the middle east. Just between the Caspian and Mediterranean seas.
I love these Videos! But, I like the Clone Wars. Could you make some Clone Wars videos on Battle Breakdown?
No
Okay, so theoretically the only thing you need to do to blow up a planet is apply more energy to it than is holding it together. Effectively you simply need to apply greater force than the mass of the planet, and boom. So if the Vong thingy (sorry, new to all this, basically working off Eck's videos) was outputting a great enough quantity of energy, then it is theoretically plausible that the Shield Ships redirecting and thus magnifying the amount of energy directly being applied to the planet could literally blow up the planet. Now I am not a physicist, plausible doesn't mean possible, and we're talking about a stupidly large amount of energy, BUT, I'd consider it plausible enough to suspend my disbelief and just accept it.
love your videos by the way man, the production is absolutely top notch keep up the good work.
Best transforming fighter:
VF-11 thunderbolt from Macross Plus vs the Union Flag from Gundam 00 vs the Viking from StarCraft vs the Mecha Tengu from Command and Conquer vs the Legioss from Genesis Climber Mospeda.
The “New Republic” in this case is mostly the efforts of the Solos and Skywalkers.
meanwhile if the empire would have still been in full control:
-millions dead ---) local warlord gets his fleet and oblidarates the worldship with his executer stardestroyer --) day saved
The Empire would had done a lot better job than the New Republic at fighting the Vong.
They would str8 up blast the planet with the Death Star.
@@404found00 Do you think we got him?
@@nukclear2741
Moffs and Admirals,
we got them.
@@404found00 That was a last jedi reference.
404 found no, Han was right, they would a have tried to build a giant super weapon, say the Nostrils of Palpatine to combat the Vong, only it’d have one fatal flaw and be relatively easily destroyed
Read this last night, was quite interesting how they came to this solution
The explanation is always the force
Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader
Spartan Abrams yes
Vader is a eunuch so he has the high ground in that fight.
Dark helmet solos because his Schwartz is bigger than vader’s
Please keep up the good work man this battle is pretty interesting
Energy is never destroyed, it's either moved or changes form. It can also be amplified. You said the thing output massive amounts of energy, and those shield ships were basically gigantic mirrors, rebounding and focusing all that energy onto a single location. Think Resonance Cascade from Half Life meets the mother of all fission reactions.
My dad read these books too me and I know this is an old video but thank you for the memories
Thank you, EckhartsLadder. Please keep this Yuuzhan Vong series going.
I can imagine Anakin Solo screaming "Science, bitch!!!" after his plan worked.
I have a question you could maybe talk about in a future video: How would the Catana-fleet impacted the clone wars, if it never got lost?
Watched this after the tapcaf on Vector Prime to get a better understanding of the battle.
Ecks, Your batte breakdowns in Legends and other content for Legends have taught me alot about the old Star Wars. Thank you! I love your content.
I haven't used the audible link or listened to either of the book series you mentioned, but I really appreciate your honesty in addressing it.
Calling this science is like when only-child authors write sibling dialogue like “hey bro” “hey sis” “oh you, you goofball” “oh yeah sis I am a goof”
2 or 3 Harrower's Vs a Resurgent.
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(Even if you dont do the matchup you're still the dopest channel on YT and the reason I started loving Star Wars so much so ty homie)
Loving these yuuzhan vong vids! Wish there was more of them.
“The New Republics scientifically questionable plan works”
I love it
Hell yeah eating pizza and watching eckharts this is the best!
Your animations are really amazing! :D
With subtitles on it said what’s up guys eckharts slaughter back with another video
You know, mentioning how the flash freeze doesnt make sense reminds me of something; all throughout the star wars novels space is cold. When Anikin and Tahiri (at least i think its them) are stuck in a box together (their kiss scene) anikin talks about the box getting cold because the atmosphere outside is venting into space. In reality it would get uncomfortably hot since the heat inside couldnt be transferred away from the box except by radiation. This is why vacuums are used in expensive thermoses. (End physics nerdiness) love the series, keep up the great work! Im a huge fan of your channel and adorable puppo :)
Fun fact: the background planet is snowball Earth
I think the mezzacan wave wouldn't blow up the planet but Crack it apart. It'd be like melting an ice cube too fast. It makes the ice cube shatter from extreme Temperature change. It makes more sense to reflect sunlight and down the vong in they're ice fortress tunnels but that's just me.
Hey Ek, the science kind of makes sense, salt on ice cools the ice to a lower temperature, the temperature differential causes more heat techincally
Could The First Order Defeat Godzilla Earth (Planet of the monsters) On Star Killer Base?
Godzilla Earth if they had a siege dreadnaught yes
No. Even those siege turbolasers would be useless against its EM shield. Remember, this thing shrugged off pretty much all the nukes like they were nothing, and that was when it was a fraction of it's current size. They just don't have the tech to discern its weaknesses. The only way they could kill it would be by shooting it with the superlaser or blowing up the planet.
@@scytheseven9173 If they blow up the planet then they'll probably just end up with a massive Space Godzilla
Nice works as always but some blunders,
1. The Vong base on Helska was not a Worldship, but an underwater Coral reef transformed by the Vong and combined with an matalok to use as a base. (read book 2 again)
2. The Spiralform of the Worldships is just Fanart (adapted by some comics). The ships are described as Disks with an ballshape in the center and long arms at all sites ... ! (For more details the book with Nem Yim on the Baanu Rass or book 12 when they fight the Hul Domain at Borleas) They are more like Jupiter with tantakels.
Not a scientist by profession but I know this much: you cannot evaporate planets without emitting energy equivalent to that planet's binding energy. If the War Coordinator was actually emitting enough energy to melt the planet, then the NR wouldn't have to do anything: They could just wait.
Another great video
It sounds like the reflected energy was gravitational in nature rather than thermal. The gravity tore the planet apart in a similar way to a large planet destroying another because of the Roche limit.
Using heat to destroy the planet wouldn't work very well as you'd need a lot of it to destroy the planet.
Great video, but I had a hard time looking away from planet. Very clever lol
Your scientific explanation is SPACE WIZARDS
As explained in later SW Legacy novels, the Yammosk&most Vong tech communicates by gravitic fields. The Shield ships acted like a mirror feeding itself until it shattered the planet. It has powerful repulsors to prevent itself from crashing into the Star due to its proximity&massive gravity well. The Vongs' gravitic fields just bounced off the Shield ship like a light bouncing off a mirror. It repeats&lifies the gravitic field sending it back&forth not only on the Yammosk but the planet's core too creating a localized gravity differential. It's like a magnet holding into a localized slice of the planet's core&magma. The planet's inner&outer core is slowing down while the rest is still speeding up creating differences in the magma's density but also affecting the gravity. It would literally rip apart the planet as the tidal forces are too strong in one side&the gravity is being amplified in a negative feedback loop by the Shield ship as it approaches the planet. It's like a heavier moon is getting closer while the planet is still rotating creating tidal forces to rip the planet apart.
For galactic verses: could the flood from halo beat the necromorphs from dead space? (Suggestion)
Probably i mean if they can beat the borg and the tirranids then they can
Andrew Leclair here's what's interesting. Could the flood infect the necromorphs or would the necromorphs infect the flood?
"And the planet blew up, because science."
And people say the new canon makes no sense...
Thank you again man for this video! I love watching anything about Star Wars Legends especially anything about the vong!!🤟🏻🤣
You should do vs videos like this after the ship explanations, so like in the acclamator vs the covenant corvette you should do it like this, what I mean is doing a battle breakdown for the engagement between the two ships and their fighters
"The planet explodes. Because of science" Loved it :)
The ice on the planet was actually methane ice. The redirected the energy and made the methane melt, which at some point made the atmosphere saturated in methane which is highly flammable. All that's left is for the vong to have a source of ignition, like an engine
Great vid Eck! Love the series!
God I love that exit video with the dog so much 😂
Lando was the new republic's go-to guy during the Yuuzhan Vong war.
I just can't wait for Borleias.... Wedge was awesome on this battle
Theoretically the plan works, but that depends on how much energy is put out in a certain area, and if it really puts out that much energy, the mere existence of it on a planet would cause enormous damage alone.
The plan to cool the planet should work, because it's basically how our sweat works. Vaporizing water cools the surrounding area as it draws energy from its surroundings and thus would dramatically cool the planet if enough water is there.
But I do not know if the planet would explode
Amazing comtent! I just love how your vids are so amazing, and i want to keep supporting you. Have a great day!
basically it was a result of a lot of principles of physics that work individually, but don't really work in conjunction when applied to a planet sized scale.
-redirect the thermal energy produced by the Vong facilities
-use the heat to melt and evaporate the water
-evaporation draws thermal energy out of the planet's surface
-resulting cooling freezes the planet
-planet, now frozen solid, is smaller
-smaller planet rotates faster
-faster rotation and greater centrifugal force causes planet to shatter
That's how they explain it I guess? individually each part checks out, but putting them together seems dubious at best.
Love your vids keep up the good work
Get the Thrawn book its amazing. Also evaporation would cause heating, condensing causes cooling. Cold air is heavier than hot air so no it makes no sense. Just look at an air conditioner with the evaporation / condensing cycle and the hi/low sides,
I think it has something to do with air evaporating, the way our bodies cool down. They said that it froze the planet further and when it started back up the heat and/or friction caused the planet to crack.
Arpeggio of Blue Steel battle breakdowns, come on, it'll be fun
A better plan would have been to use the shield ships like giant mirrors, redirecting the sun’s energy.
Listened to vector prime 4 days ago. Wasnt that good. I thought it seemed rushed and short. Makes sense that itd been chopped. Ive had audible for years though. A good service if you can listen at work. I consume books during my 12 hour shifts.
Hey dude it's 1 in the morning for me
Was waiting for u to upload
And it was worth It
Good video
Also I like staying up late
The first part of his plan makes a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense is a chain reaction
just watched this today after finding your channel a few days ago. I believe what Anakin Solo's idea was the energy would cause a massive amount of heat and the cold air of the planet would flash freeze, however that is not what caused the destruction. The energy being redirected back to the world ship over loads the reactor causing basically a thermal nuclear explosion in the core, that explosion being strong enough to replicate a Death Star's beam.
Because of science, eck, because of science
The planet is destroyed because of science- eckhart's ladder greatest quotes 2018
4:27 it actually makes perfect sense, the influx of energy causes extreme heat, which causes the evaporation, and evaporation absorbs that heat, cooling the planet even more (it’s the same you reason you sweat) but I don’t understand why that’s important for their objective
I love the Yuuzhan Vong War, great vid
I always had a rough go at reading that part of the book. Normally I have a fair grasp of what is going on. But now that you explain it, I understand. Space Magic.tm
Anakin solo: This is where the fun begins
Force ghost Anakin : THAT'S MY BOY
Obi wan and yoda and the force ghost jedi: He really does like anakin now there is 2 of you now
1:15
Ahh a man of culture I see
I haven't read the book, but the way you explained it, the planet was entirely ice, or at least frozen. If you vaporize the underground ice using the reflected energy, the water vapor, since it is trapped underground, is at a very high pressure, which eventually explodes out, destroying the planet and the worldship with it. It would take quite a few quintilion (100000000000000000000=1 quin.) terajoules of energy all converted to heat to destroy an entire planet, though, and that is if the entire world was ice and you melted to the center of the world. If that was true, the gravity of the world pulled the still solid surface into the now gaseous core, which caused the world to slowly collapse in on itself, and then violently explode outward as the extremely pressurized gas escaped through the cracked crust.
An analogy is like putting a wet sedimentary rock in a fire. The pores soak up the water, and when the water is rapidly vaporized. the pressure is too great and it explodes like a shotgun shell
It sounds like the plan kinda makes sense, it sounds as if the plan was to basically make a nuclear winter on an extreme scale.
Space Wizards Science for the win
The planet was covered in a glacial sheet, but below that it was an sub-arctic ocean. Supercooling the planet made the entire ocean freeze. Ice expands, so the planet blew apart.
Matt Spriggs expanding ice doesn't explode. It would just crack the surface ice and probably increase the diameter of the planet.
CedarHunt I don’t think you know how a planet grows. The expanding ice would rupture the surface, and that amount of expansion at that rate would make the planet explode. It’s why you don’t freeze a water balloon: the expanding ice ruptures the balloon’s surface tension, causing it to burst. A planet can’t just expand like that without becoming destabilized. It takes millions if not billions of years for a planet to form or expand.
@@DDragon501 That's nonsense.
wow Anikin's have a nasty habit of destroying worlds