am i the only one who was amazed by the ingenuity of having tiles with two sides to lay them on borders, commiting to certain values for TWO battlefields via ONE decision ??
Yes, very awesome. Also has the added benefit of allowing randomness, while no tile can be said to be worse than the others. Every tile has 6 force total, so you can’t complain about drawing crap tiles. While in Blitzkrieg it’s quite possible to just draw a few tiles that are just less good than the cool upgrades you are waiting for
Yes. I think Blitzkrieg! and Caesar! are both excellent games, but Caesar seems to be more elegantly designed, and less random through the double sided-chips. Blitzkrieg might be more thematic in its rules, I think Caesar counters with being more thematic in how war actually plays out. I'd say (without having played them) Blitzkrieg is more tactical, while Caesar is more strategic. A copy of the latter is on the way, so I'll know soon enough how it plays.
Compared to many of the old classic SU&SD videos, this was a very minor production. Just one man with no props, no gimmicks, no costumes, and even the scenery changes are irrelevant. And yet the humor has matured and the review cuts deep into the core of the game. Great job as always, Quinns.
I love games that are elegant in their simplicity, but still draw you in. Both of these look like games me and my friends would enjoy. Thank you for the review.
@@mahna_mahna Yes! You know all the rules, cause it's Pandemic, but at the same time you're so not playing Pandemic. I never expected it to work so beautifully.
What a great review! Thank you for spending so much time discussing the dramatic arc of each game and how they differ. That is usually how I shop for a game, by the somewhat abstract story that it tells in terms of tension and release. Anyway thank you for this fantastic review and all the hard work you put into making these videos so accessible and enjoyable. "Bananas" - hahaha!!😂
Do I need any more suggestions for 2-player games? No. Have SU&SD provided me with more great suggestions for 2-player games? Yes. Am I going to be adding these to our collection? Definitely.
et tu, saccus would actually have been latin (well no, it would be sacce since it is in the vocative, as in the original et tu Brute (well no, Caesar said it in Greek))
“They’re above all that” about the planes. Oh my. It’s bad jokes like that ….. that give me life haha! 💜 I couldn’t agree more about the joy of designers creating big fun in small boxes! I think it’s why I love card games so much. Think out of the two, blitzkrieg will be first to find it’s way into my personal collection once I’ve overplayed games like watergate a bit more 👍
@@MasterHigure sometimes it’s like watching the office. Haha. Last week’s card game with matching jumpers and Tom looking at table “not yet”. Cringe but funny haha
When I really started in the hobby, I had a couple of Paolo Mori games (Dogs of War, Ethnos later) that had some very specific design flavors. He was the first designer that I could kind of tell when a game was designed by him, and so it kind of blew my mind when I later found out he wasn't one of the big names at the time. Just because of that, even though he's probably not my *favourite* designer of all time (he's up top in the list of course), he's my *favourite* designer.
"It's an alternate victory condition! That's the best kind of victory condition." Ha, nice. I almost agree, but surely the best kind of victory condition is a self-imposed victory condition! For instance, not coming in last, or making your friend win without them knowing you were responsible, or making it through a whole game night without yelling or crying!
Definitely intrigued! Also my favourite board game is from Paolo Mori, one of his earliest work: Ur. The simplicity and depth of that game baffles me every time I play it!
Blitzkrieg appears to have a lot in common with one of my favorite Paolo Mori titles, Dogs of War. Having a 2-player version of that around sounds pretty great.
I still cry myself to sleep some nights over the theming of Ethnos. Everyone I show it to is super skeptical at first, but then they want to play it again once we finish a game. Any theme that was even vaguely appealing to a general audience would have shot this one into the stars.
I just played my first game of this. Loved it. Great game. To me, it has a lot in common with Samurai by Reiner Knizia, a game I also enjoy. For 2p, Blitzkrieg! wins hands down.
We do own Blitzkrieg plus the Nipon expansion (really like eiher base or expansion board, and you get your own Godzilla). It is never gonna leave the collection. I was not aware of Cesar! and when you described the closing regions mechanic my eyes went wide open... I might have to search for it XD
I'm glad you've had fun. I'm sorry that a designer you so clearly like has been let down by his publishers. Hopefully, someone can republish his games. By the way, where the heck was that?
"A refreshing glass of ice water, blasted at you from an unexpected direction!" Sounds like my first experience with a bidet and accidentally hittting the blue button instead of the red one.
This review was just all kinds of next level, the excitement is clearly dripping from every detail. I just always wonder if somehow world war 2 is already so long ago that we can make goofy games about it and not feel bad about playing as the germans. I guess I wish they chose a different theme. But maybe I'm being too sensitive!
I appreciate the bit of humor yall have had in the this video and the last few as well, reminds me of a time, back in the mists of time with purple power magic bowls and cuddle rooms, and learning about Race for the Galaxy from an alien in a seedy bar.
Is Caesar! language independent? I am in the market for a short end of Roman Republic war game, preferable without much text needed for actual play. Thanks.
Best job ever for me was demo ing the game (badly but did revise the SUSDs teach videos) for PSC games in Airecon 2020 when we were just starting to Lockdown.Best job ever! Great game...cant wait for Caesar!
It's a bit rough that so many great games from him kind of got the short end of the stick. Blitzkrieg seems to take some things from dogs of war. Interesting.
The combat mechanic is similar to one of the "war scenarios" in Vampire The Masquerade Heritage (legacy game, VtM themed, political, and each "age" you fight across three battle fronts for dominance). This looks very similar in nature, though of course the theming is different. And... its the only battle you get. Where as in VtM:H, you get like 9 or so? more?
I'm definitely a Paolo Mori fan boy! I managed to find Dogs of War at a random game store and snatched it up. I'm low-key collecting all his games :) I want both of these, but I'm unsure about Fairy Tail Inn.
Thanks for mentioning sustainability. It's been on my mind lately when purchasing games. I know a few Kickstarters are starting to address this and look for sustainability in the production of their games. Worth a discussion/thought in the future.
It never happened that I see a video in SUSD, think "Wow, I will buy it now" and it is still available on the link they offer, lol. I wonder if the companies have measured the SUSD factor on their sales. Beyond the Sun took me weeks to track it down.
I really wish the designers (or publishers?) would start to choose more innovative... dare I say.....diverse scenarios? I have dozens of "strategy in the mediterranean" games up to this point and in germany you have a hard time finding a normie to play with if you ask if they'd like to play "blitzkrieg" with you. :P
It is a shame that SU&SD never reviewed Red Alert: Space Fleet Warfare (also from PSC), since it is very much Memoir 44 But In Space But Also With Some Cool Extra Moves That Make The Game A Lot Better (But It Also Takes Up A Frightening Amount of Table Space). I've been hesitating over Blitzkrieg Exclamation Mark for a while, but I think this may have sold me.
Was Quinns drunk when he said "like some cardboard mother that I keep in my cupboard"? Upon hearing him say "bon-oos" I understand that he was not drunk, simply...excited?
I like the point about environmental concerns. Something I’ve been thinking more and more of as some of these things, especially these giant tabletop miniature kickstarter board games are getting ridiculous. 👍
What’s up with all the ‘Bahn-OO-ses’? 😂 Is this like the ‘meow’ game in super troopers? I wouldn’t have thought anything of it except for Tom did it in one his recent videos as well! Loved the video, thanks for the great content!
Blitzkrieg is so good, and I love how Caesar looks to shake it up. Blitzkrieg's Nippon expansion would've been worth a few good jokes. Ethnos is so underappreciated, and its map is also Slovakia for some reason. Now if we can just get a reasonably-priced Dogs of War reprint...
Unfortunately, I couldn´t finish the video. Since the sentence "let´s start with Blitzkrieg" is not allowed in my country. Jokes aside, love the enthusiastic approach and the puns. The game was renamed "Winziger Weltkrieg(tiny world war) over here😅
I was thoroughly engrossed in watching this review video, up to the point when I saw that upside-down house in the background... I'm far too distracted by that to listen to the rest of the words...
Interesting. These games look really good, however I own both liberatalia and ethnos and hate them immensely. Think if I had to pick one of these it would have to be Blitzkrieg!
You guys should look at this game called Shasn! It's a political strategy game, which was successfully KSed 2 years ago, and they are doing their 2nd KS with an expansion (tackling freedom fights). I have a feeling it's right up your alley Quin! :)
am i the only one who was amazed by the ingenuity of having tiles with two sides to lay them on borders, commiting to certain values for TWO battlefields via ONE decision ??
Nope, I also immediately was struck by it!
Yes, very awesome. Also has the added benefit of allowing randomness, while no tile can be said to be worse than the others. Every tile has 6 force total, so you can’t complain about drawing crap tiles. While in Blitzkrieg it’s quite possible to just draw a few tiles that are just less good than the cool upgrades you are waiting for
Yes. I think Blitzkrieg! and Caesar! are both excellent games, but Caesar seems to be more elegantly designed, and less random through the double sided-chips. Blitzkrieg might be more thematic in its rules, I think Caesar counters with being more thematic in how war actually plays out. I'd say (without having played them) Blitzkrieg is more tactical, while Caesar is more strategic. A copy of the latter is on the way, so I'll know soon enough how it plays.
Compared to many of the old classic SU&SD videos, this was a very minor production. Just one man with no props, no gimmicks, no costumes, and even the scenery changes are irrelevant. And yet the humor has matured and the review cuts deep into the core of the game. Great job as always, Quinns.
I think this is the most detailed referencing that Reference Pear has done on this channel in some time.
Alright, you convinced me. I'll buy Ethnos.
Wizard sugar!
I love games that are elegant in their simplicity, but still draw you in. Both of these look like games me and my friends would enjoy. Thank you for the review.
Pandemic Fall of Rome is also co-designed by Paolo Mori, it is one of the best versions of Pandemic to date.
Yes. I enjoy playing it much more than regular Pandemic. It's really not *that* different but it feels so different.
@@mahna_mahna It definitely does. And it is beautifully produced.
@@mahna_mahna Yes! You know all the rules, cause it's Pandemic, but at the same time you're so not playing Pandemic. I never expected it to work so beautifully.
Couldn't agree more
How is it compared to Rising Tide? It's one of my favorite pandemic games for the same reason.
What a great review! Thank you for spending so much time discussing the dramatic arc of each game and how they differ. That is usually how I shop for a game, by the somewhat abstract story that it tells in terms of tension and release. Anyway thank you for this fantastic review and all the hard work you put into making these videos so accessible and enjoyable.
"Bananas" - hahaha!!😂
Do I need any more suggestions for 2-player games? No.
Have SU&SD provided me with more great suggestions for 2-player games? Yes.
Am I going to be adding these to our collection? Definitely.
love to imagine caesar dying and shouting dramatically "Et tu, bagus"
Bag, as a loanword, would not have a vocative form. Cool.
Bagus dickus)
et tu, saccus would actually have been latin
(well no, it would be sacce since it is in the vocative, as in the original et tu Brute (well no, Caesar said it in Greek))
@@DrWhom
Wasn't it just a few names that kept a voccative case, Brutus being one of them?
7:51
Today I learned that Quinns's favorite game structure is "pear-shaped."
“They’re above all that” about the planes. Oh my. It’s bad jokes like that ….. that give me life haha! 💜 I couldn’t agree more about the joy of designers creating big fun in small boxes! I think it’s why I love card games so much. Think out of the two, blitzkrieg will be first to find it’s way into my personal collection once I’ve overplayed games like watergate a bit more 👍
I'm still snickering 😂
The SU&SD reviews have exactly the right kind of corny humor for me. Love it.
@@MasterHigure sometimes it’s like watching the office. Haha. Last week’s card game with matching jumpers and Tom looking at table “not yet”. Cringe but funny haha
If you're laughing so hard then maybe the jokes are... actually good? Like, that's the purpose of jokes, right? To make you laugh?
@@Medytacjusz I wasn’t throwing shade at SU&SD. I was just chuckling at the silly humour.
When I really started in the hobby, I had a couple of Paolo Mori games (Dogs of War, Ethnos later) that had some very specific design flavors. He was the first designer that I could kind of tell when a game was designed by him, and so it kind of blew my mind when I later found out he wasn't one of the big names at the time. Just because of that, even though he's probably not my *favourite* designer of all time (he's up top in the list of course), he's my *favourite* designer.
"It's an alternate victory condition! That's the best kind of victory condition." Ha, nice. I almost agree, but surely the best kind of victory condition is a self-imposed victory condition! For instance, not coming in last, or making your friend win without them knowing you were responsible, or making it through a whole game night without yelling or crying!
Or reaching a funny number with VPs
I particularly liked the clip of quinns not quite believing how quick it was to set up
“Tests of tactical talents” was good alliteration Quinns. Don’t think we missed it
And gladly he did not fumble and say "Tact of testicle talents". Or did he and there is an outtake somewhere?
Excellent reviews. The "Bonus is Latin for... bonus" bit was hilarious.
Can we have an intervention for those purple shoes!? I feel like Blitzkrieg could induce analysis paralysis and is very back stabby - I love it!
Definitely intrigued! Also my favourite board game is from Paolo Mori, one of his earliest work: Ur. The simplicity and depth of that game baffles me every time I play it!
Blitzkrieg appears to have a lot in common with one of my favorite Paolo Mori titles, Dogs of War. Having a 2-player version of that around sounds pretty great.
0:53 I am simultaneously amazed and scared by those purple-glittery-boot-sneaker things 😨
Glad im not the only one that was drawn in by them
Yes - we definitely need more info about what is going on with those.
I still cry myself to sleep some nights over the theming of Ethnos. Everyone I show it to is super skeptical at first, but then they want to play it again once we finish a game. Any theme that was even vaguely appealing to a general audience would have shot this one into the stars.
Ethnos is one of my favorite games, but my family hates it.
Don't get why
Yea a theme like Root's would've worked wonders. Now it looks like a KS-bait miniatures game
Upside-down house! Upside-down house!
I just played my first game of this. Loved it. Great game. To me, it has a lot in common with Samurai by Reiner Knizia, a game I also enjoy. For 2p, Blitzkrieg! wins hands down.
The pronunciations of those theaters of war made me laugh hard enough to wake up my wife.
I'd really have a tough time choosing between the two so I'll just get both!
How are they going? I have blitzkrieg ww2 in 20 minutes and I love it.
Sad the old guy from Up! (another title with an exclamation mark btw) crashed his house where Quinns lives. Hope you rendered aide SUSD crew...
We do own Blitzkrieg plus the Nipon expansion (really like eiher base or expansion board, and you get your own Godzilla). It is never gonna leave the collection.
I was not aware of Cesar! and when you described the closing regions mechanic my eyes went wide open... I might have to search for it XD
I'm glad you've had fun. I'm sorry that a designer you so clearly like has been let down by his publishers. Hopefully, someone can republish his games.
By the way, where the heck was that?
"A refreshing glass of ice water, blasted at you from an unexpected direction!" Sounds like my first experience with a bidet and accidentally hittting the blue button instead of the red one.
Definitely picking up Blitzkrieg! My partner and I love Air, Land & Sea and this feels like another easy hit.
"Et tu Bagus!" - Quinns 2021
This review was just all kinds of next level, the excitement is clearly dripping from every detail. I just always wonder if somehow world war 2 is already so long ago that we can make goofy games about it and not feel bad about playing as the germans. I guess I wish they chose a different theme. But maybe I'm being too sensitive!
I just rewound the word-play on the areas of Blitzkrieg 3x - hilarious like always!
I appreciate the bit of humor yall have had in the this video and the last few as well, reminds me of a time, back in the mists of time with purple power magic bowls and cuddle rooms, and learning about Race for the Galaxy from an alien in a seedy bar.
Is Caesar! language independent?
I am in the market for a short end of Roman Republic war game, preferable without much text needed for actual play.
Thanks.
aside of instructions, yes
Best job ever for me was demo ing the game (badly but did revise the SUSDs teach videos) for PSC games in Airecon 2020 when we were just starting to Lockdown.Best job ever! Great game...cant wait for Caesar!
I picked the game up at that show after a demo from someone!
3:30 "Oh my word! We're in the background of a SU&SD video review. Quick let's get out of here."
I'm glad they are bringing back the reference 🍐
It's a bit rough that so many great games from him kind of got the short end of the stick.
Blitzkrieg seems to take some things from dogs of war. Interesting.
Paulo Mori? I guess Callie's dad (dad's dad?) is just as much a geek
I can't believe I found a hololive joke on an su&sd video
Best you do not expect me to reference Jojos bizarre adventures now and warhammer 40K
Bet**
The combat mechanic is similar to one of the "war scenarios" in Vampire The Masquerade Heritage (legacy game, VtM themed, political, and each "age" you fight across three battle fronts for dominance). This looks very similar in nature, though of course the theming is different. And... its the only battle you get. Where as in VtM:H, you get like 9 or so? more?
I'm definitely a Paolo Mori fan boy! I managed to find Dogs of War at a random game store and snatched it up. I'm low-key collecting all his games :) I want both of these, but I'm unsure about Fairy Tail Inn.
Your channel is murder on my wallet! But thanks so much for the joy in what you do!
An abstract game settled in the war between Caesar and Pompey? I want 24!
Thanks for mentioning sustainability. It's been on my mind lately when purchasing games.
I know a few Kickstarters are starting to address this and look for sustainability in the production of their games. Worth a discussion/thought in the future.
Too much plastic nowdays. I'm a sucker for a nicely themed wooden meeple though. Not much of a fan of cardboard chits.
It never happened that I see a video in SUSD, think "Wow, I will buy it now" and it is still available on the link they offer, lol. I wonder if the companies have measured the SUSD factor on their sales. Beyond the Sun took me weeks to track it down.
I can't find blitzkrieg in the U.S. Sold out on Amazon... probably 30 seconds after this video was posted. And not at any local gamestores either.
The gameplay makes both Ceasar! and Blitzkrieg! Mori-sh.
Caesar sounds like Go with extra steps
Anyone else distracted by the upside down house in the background?
Very much so.
I really wish the designers (or publishers?) would start to choose more innovative... dare I say.....diverse scenarios?
I have dozens of "strategy in the mediterranean" games up to this point and in germany you have a hard time finding a normie to play with if you ask if they'd like to play "blitzkrieg" with you. :P
Et tu Baggus?! Lol.. awesome review as always. Thanks!
Those purple shoes made me forget why I came here in the first place 🤩🤩
I agree about Paolo Mori (not the dad part… that was weird 🤣). He is one of my favorite game designers! I own almost all of his games.
Et tu baggus?! Lol.. Your review is awesome as always.. Thanks!
Every time I sit down to watch a SU&SD review, I get the dream crush ad and I’m like wait blitzkrieg! is a dating game!?!
You know these games mean business because they end in exclamation points!
But 18xx games don't have exclamation points
The real star of the video, everyone behind Quinns
4:30 good job whoever wrote that joke
It is a shame that SU&SD never reviewed Red Alert: Space Fleet Warfare (also from PSC), since it is very much Memoir 44 But In Space But Also With Some Cool Extra Moves That Make The Game A Lot Better (But It Also Takes Up A Frightening Amount of Table Space).
I've been hesitating over Blitzkrieg Exclamation Mark for a while, but I think this may have sold me.
Was that a Youngstar from Terrahawks impression at 0.46? What an obscure reference. I love it.
Was Quinns drunk when he said "like some cardboard mother that I keep in my cupboard"?
Upon hearing him say "bon-oos" I understand that he was not drunk, simply...excited?
Had a Dream Crush SU&SD add before the video. Thought I had clicked the wrong link for a second.
'military issue lingerie' broke me. I'm gonna be chuckling about that for a while.
Well those sound like perfect games to play at lunchtime at work
That ending was...certainly a way to end a video
I think we got locked in the closet with the Cardboard Mother, and now I'm scared.
6 months in Brighton, my hunt for quins contuines. My training in the sherlock holmes games have helped but my foe has run away again.
Can someone explain me why tF there is an upside down house i the back at 2:50
Tourist attraction!
@@Spearca I think it’s funny haha - I’m going to Google all the upside down houses now!
POV: You are the unthinkable cardboard mother kept in the cupboard.
Quacks of World War 2, I am into it.
Blitzkreig! Looked fun, but Ceaser! Now that looked like my type! of game. Looking forward to its release!
Same
When you were sitting outside I really thought that you were going to be handbagged. That woman was walking with a purpose.
2:07 I thought that lady was supposed to be upset with Quintin's description of the game.
The fact that he chose the clip with the random woman walking at a conserincaly fast pace was one of the best things.
I've occasionally checked to see if Libertalia is in print again. I've always been disappointed.
I know it is rubbish but seeing Caesar in that bag reminded me of Lego packaging.
Imagine a board game that used Lego for the board pieces.
Lego made some board games
I like the point about environmental concerns. Something I’ve been thinking more and more of as some of these things, especially these giant tabletop miniature kickstarter board games are getting ridiculous. 👍
Dammit, Quinns! I am the one who loves Paolo Mori! Away with thee, thou third wheel!
Whaaattt! That ending was class!
I feel for those who clicked out and missed it.
Another one for the quote box: "Back to war!"
How did you find 'Three Body Problem'? Funny to see it nestled next to the Culture novels.
What’s up with all the ‘Bahn-OO-ses’? 😂 Is this like the ‘meow’ game in super troopers? I wouldn’t have thought anything of it except for Tom did it in one his recent videos as well! Loved the video, thanks for the great content!
I think Tom’s “bonusse” was inspired by the game title Oriflamme. And now it’s a running gag?
"et tu, baggus",
Baggus is the brother of Biggus Dickus
Slap that heavy metal boy? Splash that long fellow down? Have you been hanging out with Tom?
Libertalia is one of my favorite games! So happy I have a copy :)
Don’t forget Augustus, one of Paolo Mori’s best design
Blitzkrieg is so good, and I love how Caesar looks to shake it up.
Blitzkrieg's Nippon expansion would've been worth a few good jokes.
Ethnos is so underappreciated, and its map is also Slovakia for some reason.
Now if we can just get a reasonably-priced Dogs of War reprint...
A re-themed Ethnos from a different publisher would be great.
holy sht u right, the sicilians just took it over in past couple years btw cold war bs been goin on in the area since past decade lmao
Ethnos *IS* a classic!
I always liked the theme and the artwork of Ethnos
It's really good(aside from the board), just doesn't sell it to the fitting target audience(family gateways instead of epic minis warfare)
i can't help but love how you said bonuuuses xD
tiny baby giraffes killed me.
why is that house upside down
Libertalia is such a great game!👍
I just suddenly realized Quinns has taken quite a lot of inspiration from Robert Webb!
Nuuuuu, they did Blitzkreig! I couldn't get it before now I will never be able to get it
wtf is up with the huge pink shoes and then later the upside down house what kind of dimension is quinns living in
Unfortunately, I couldn´t finish the video. Since the sentence "let´s start with Blitzkrieg" is not allowed in my country.
Jokes aside, love the enthusiastic approach and the puns. The game was renamed "Winziger Weltkrieg(tiny world war) over here😅
I was thoroughly engrossed in watching this review video, up to the point when I saw that upside-down house in the background... I'm far too distracted by that to listen to the rest of the words...
Any Thoughts on the Nippon Expansion for Blitzkrieg! ?
Dammit, I had been pondering picking up Blitzkrieg! but I put it off and now it's sold out at my board game store!
THAT HOUSE IS UPSIDE DOWN!!!
Interesting. These games look really good, however I own both liberatalia and ethnos and hate them immensely. Think if I had to pick one of these it would have to be Blitzkrieg!
You guys should look at this game called Shasn! It's a political strategy game, which was successfully KSed 2 years ago, and they are doing their 2nd KS with an expansion (tackling freedom fights). I have a feeling it's right up your alley Quin! :)