I think people are just nitpicking. She mentioned "why did Monica have 2 glasses on the singing planet", who cares? That has nothing to do with the story, and its easy to deduce that one of those people next to her gave her a drink. The movie was just fine, it was good.
I think regardless of what people think of where marvel is now, we have to keep in mind that writers, actors, vfx artists and everyone involved with the industry just got a huge win in terms of how they can do things. So going forward, I think we should expect to see much better finished projects hitting the screens (theatrical and streaming)
It'll take a bit I think. Echo was still made with a lot of crunch I assume, but stuff like Darkhold Diaries or whatever are just far away enough to benefit more I reckon
I really don't understand all the criticism of the Marvels. I really enjoyed this movie and it was worth seeing in theaters. I don't think the problem of its low box office is the movie (directing, writing, production, etc.), the problem is this is a family-friendly film and going out to a movie is waaaaaaayyyyy too expensive now for a family when we all know that in three months or so it can be watched at home on streaming, which we are already paying for.
How is the Kang build up too slow?? What more do you want?? Thanos was in 2 post credit scenes and made a small cameo in 6 years before Infinity War. Kang has already played a major role in 3 projects in the first 3 years of the Multiverse Saga.
@@jus10420real. I literally unsubscribed bc of her. I couldn’t tell if she were just super critical, racist, annoying or just a bad person in general I was like it’s too much work trying to figure out her personality rather than simply enjoying the entire panels content. It was enough. On the off chance I was just upset at her opine, I came back to another video, went straight to comments to see the takes…and they were singing her specific praises and I was like oh yeah someone definitely said something about it or they saw some comments and I settled on not bothering with this specific sector anymore. now this is a performance and you’re not real, if that was you being real before so be it we don’t have to like that Or if you didn’t switch and you told people to flood the comments that’s crazy but good on you but at any rate, it’s a no thanks for me. A shame though because I love new rockstars and want to support all they do but this one all because of these two women is not going down a treat.
I enjoy Kim’s realism to a point, but I do not think she’s a good fit with Jay. She does not seem comfortable with his dirty jokes and his very positive takes on the future of the MCU.
Man I appreciate Kim’s conversation truly but does she like ANYTHING y’all have been talking about recently it would be nice to see her talk about a project she enjoys
I feel that Carol and Monica's relationship was meant to be awkward and people are uncomfortable with that but it had to happen they haven't scene each other in ages.
This movie had the impossible job of trying to humanize a character that it was also going to show had almost destroyed a whole civilization, and for me it worked.
If The Marvel's released before Secret Invasion I feel it would feel less awkward, so I think the reshuffle of release order made things like Valkyrie taking on refugees less weird.
30:16 all of HWR’s backstory is technically/loosely “implied” through the fast paced finale of both seasons. The way they presented it was soo.. “for the fans” because we should be able to tell by the MOMENT HWR froze Sylvie and then DROPPED his entire Theatrical Demeanor and completely leveled with Loki in the moment with the absolute best delivery for us to completely understand. HWR is honestly “Taskmastering” his presentation of his personality depending on who’s in the room, and when he realized Loki outgrew the road he himself had paved, he could see that Loki was now smart and strong enough to do what could potentially keep the multiverse’s lights on a little longer. And only in this scene do we officially see the truest identity of He Who Remains. THAT was Nathaniel Richards
Victor Timely wasn’t supposed to be threatening. The scary thing was supposed to be finding out that he who remains planned all of this as well. Victor Timely isn’t really a Kang variant. As in he doesn’t become a Kang. Kang does become he who remains. Victor isn’t he who remains. He’s a variant on the timeline that doesn’t lead to another Kang. He’s literally a plant. If you take out the ending of Antman, Kang has actually been awesome. That’s even with the bad writing and poor creative choices. I’m ready to see the actual Conqueror
Fury from Secret Invasion makes more sense if he had just gone through The Marvels and getting SABER back online. The changing of release order really hurt Fury's story.
Honestly, I don't think Nia Dacosta wanted a longer movie, didn't she explicitly say the runtime was perfectly average for a film? I do think specific things were taken out so other parts could be put in outside of her control though. I wouldn't mind if the film was 10 minutes longer to flesh out the singing planet (partially because I enjoyed it lol). I also think Jay is sorta right with The Marvels being told through Kamala's perspective because all three leads have their own cut of the film. Maybe that was the reason for the title change? The movie could be looked at through any one of the three's lenses.
I was looking forward to this movie as a Ms. Marvel sequel more than a Captain Marvel sequel cuz I loved Ms. Marvel. And that's how I watched it, as a Ms. Marvel movie. And I really loved it
Flerkans would be used to revolutionize the freight shipping industry. Have em eat a freight container,ship a kitty on a plane for a fraction of the cost, have em barf of millions in freight. 😂
I think the reveal of movies to be released at Comic-Con’s has been looking too far into the future with too many possible variables. Less reveals would lead to more excitement leading in. It’s hard to stay excited for so long
I don't agree that this is a different Nick Fury. I have suffered from depression, and have been a different person at times when I was suffering from depression. And I did feel for Nick Fury during Secret Invasion. Now he's back and feeling better. And I don't mention friends all the time when I'm with other friends. So why should Nick Fury talk about Talos or G'haia when he is with the Khans and the Marvels? We don't need a mention of everyone just to have a mention of everyone.
I would be willing to bet money that originally there was no Skrull planet and the scenes in the musical planet was much longer, but Marvel made them shoehorn in that Skrull planet to tie it with Secret Invasion and that made them cut down the other planet considerably. I think the criticisms you guys made are very valid, but I still think the final product was a fun time. It was still a good movie, just frustrating because we can pretty much see from the editing that there was a lot of interference.
Thank you!!!!! I always thought that secret invasion should have been after The Marvels....I believe that's when it was scheduled anyway right? It would make sense why V sent them to Earth....BUT noone on NEW ROCKSTARS has mentioned how there wasn't many Skrulls on Saber like the post credit of Spiderman
Ok here's my pitch: We've heard Ironheart is about the intersection between science and magic with Anthony Ramos as the villain right? Have it teased in the later part of the season that he's reporting to someone else in sort of an apprentice/master relationship. Then, at the very end of the last episode, have Doom turn around revealed as the master. Then make a Young Avengers movie where for whatever reason, they are up against Doom. Have them foolishly go to Latveria to take him down (because they're young and dont understand politics) and have him win decisively with them barely escaping. Leave us with a 'could even the legacy avengers have won?' type vibe. Then lead that into a bigger team up like Secret Wars
Given marvels history do you think a movie named secret wars will have anything to do with the comics? I’m surprised that people are still expecting marvel to deliver the stories we’re expecting.
Can we just never have Jay and Kim together ever again? She clearly doesnt like him, and his jokes work better off of people who like him. She's good in videos with other people, and he's good in videos with other people. Just those two together NEVER again! I'm begging you!
Yeah, cus she’s a savage 😂🙏🏼 She kept it real the whole time She’s not a yes man or a 24/7 marvel defender she gave honest opinions that a lot of other ppl would agree with It’s good to see honest friendly debates for once 👏🏼
I think yall too impatient for kang cause I really been liking the kang build up I like big stories especially when it’s time travel cause it’s always more to it
Kang fits anywhere. In Marvel canon Kang arcs almost always start from subtle timebased anomalies or suddenly. I suspect Kang Dynasty will start from basically zero. That's a Kang story. I think you're over thinking Kang. Kang is a disrupter of time and space, always who doesn't really need anymore of a lead in.
Marvel didn’t want to announce Kang Dynasty did they? I thought the title got leaked prior to Comic Con and so they were forced to announce Phase 6 to get ahead of it?
Fury's character make sense if you look at his character arc post coming back to till end of secret invasion as the stages of grief. We first have denial. Denial that things are out of his control. The only way he can deny this is but quarantining himself in space. Coming back to earth we get cycles of Anger, Bargaining and Depression from Fury as he works through the simple fact, he can't fix everything and he can't save everyone. It is out of his control. He loses everyone he cares about. Maria Hill? Dead. Talos? Dead. His wife? Well she is a traiter and the marriage is over. But it the end Fury starts to accept things. These things, they are out of his control. He can work toward a solution but someone like the president will come along and fudge it all up. The people he cares about, pushing them away, it didnt keep them safe and it didn't make it hurt any less when they eventually did get hurt. Then, just as he is about to leave, something unexpected happens, his wife shows up to see him off. Despite everything that happened, the pushing away, the words said, she was there. It was then that he full accepted everything. That the everything is fucked and you can do your part, but you have to remember that whatever you do is just part, part of something much bigger. He no longer wants to push the people he loves away and decides to ask his wife if she will come with him. She agrees. This is where fury really starts to heal. What we get in the marvels is that healed Fury. A Fury that, with every fiber of his being wants fix and help and make better, but also understands his limitations. That he can't do it all when he is just a small part of a much larger system. And that makes him lighter.
The Loki Finale lets Marvel completely skip over Kang and move onto something else. The TVA is Loki's personal police force that monitors Kangs. If a Kang becomes a problem and is causing incursions either the TVA deals with it or they reach out to Loki and he personally prunes that Kang.
@@Eireternal Any time a Kang does an incursion, Loki personally prunes them. Random Kangs doing their crazy ish in their own universe is fine. The Finale was all about Loki learning it's okay to destroy and not to lose sight of the bigger picture.
@@jiffypoo5029 the whole point of Lokis multiverse is free will. The tva are no longer pruning branches. Loki is not pruning timelines. He's literally just there to keep the multiverse alive. So if the TVA doesn't have infinite resources and Loki acts as a Loom, they are living it up to the heroes out there to deal with Kang. They are simply monitoring. They saw the Conqueror and Ant man took care of it.
@@Eireternal Kang War in the natural multiverse destroys every universe in a cascade from incursions. Loki, allowing free will, also allows the Kang War to happen. Every Kang wants control and opposes free will. Loki personally keeps all branch timelines alive despite the incursions. If a Kang threatens the multiverse, he just stops keeping him alive preserving free will.
@@EireternalBig Picture talk from Mobius. Protecting Free Will sometimes doing some nasty things. Loki told HWR he will never stop fighting against the Kang variants now Loki has the power to deal with them himself... Big Picture, better than loom not perfect.
my theory is that in offing herself in MoM wandas final act was to somehow create her kids out of herself and her magic then charged agatha with being their guardian. kinda like an equivalent exchange thing. and her kids will factor in to bringing her back
They would invest in a different univers because when the different universes go to war we aren't supposed to know who to pull for because we love characters from all of them
If only marvel had a CEO that would review scripts and make sure it all makes sense and there’s actually continuity instead of letting people “have fun” with their films.
I remember sometime before phase 4 began feige said that they might not use the 3 phase method to tell this story. Im starting to think this story might run into phase 7.
heres the truth. Yes they are in the same universe, the creators of both the show and movie likely werent able to see each others work since they werent done and rushed until the end. Saying it was planned from the start is straight copium. Could they reveal all of this later to be different universes? yes, but I dont think that was planned at all.
I don't think marvel will back away from Kang ..I do think we see him a lot less but when it comes to battleworld there needs to be a architect...someone who's moving the chess pieces in his favor and that's Kang, you guys are forgetting that it's not just variants of the Heroes we'll see, it's going to be the villains as well, good versions of them and bad versions of the heroes too. I do think leading up to Avengers 5 we will see Kang in projects like Eyes of wakanda, fantastic 4, the nomad project, maybe in the Hulk movie, if we get a Scarlett witch movie he could offer Wanda the same thing he offered Janet, we could see him in Moonknight season 2, Thor 5 where we will get to see loki again and thor variants, shang chi 2... between avengers 5 and secret wars there could be a few projects like Ms Marvel season 2 that might have something to do with Nathaniel Richards iron lad, a young avengers series where they defending earth while the bigger heroes are on battleworld, doctor strange 3 and a movie about the multiverse avengers coming together...most likely deadpool 4, i mean a deadpool movie with the toby maguires spiderman, deadpool, wolverine, wong, captain carter, loki and sylvie would be as big as avengers 5
Fury was in a much better place by the end of Secret Invasion of you watch it . There wasn’t a “sharp characterization change” between projects. The Fury in Secret Invasion expressed he was down because his actions we’re responsible for the invasion . After stopping Gravik and rekindling his relationship with his wife he was in a much better mood
Well Marvels was supposed to release before SI so thats why it feels so funky - also why the skrulls going to Earth makes no sense but thats what happens when Marvel needed to shift dates around
I don't have any lingering questions lol. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this movie and its issues. Can we move on and talk about the good in this movie? Like we get it, it's flawed ... what now?
Well you do need to examine the flaws to know what to do better. You can’t just see the good and move on and be completely positive that consumers will accept it no matter what. That doesn’t work well for anything, especially movies.
I thought it was weird that dar-ben couldnt breath on halla because that planet didnt have an atmosphere, but in the beginning of the movie she and her guards were on a moon (i assume that moons dont have atmospheres) without breathers but had no problem talking and breathing when they were on it. And that was the whole reason why she was fracking other planets atmospheres. 😅
They syphoned air from MB19 so I think it did have an atmosphere. I think it was more of a small planet than a moon esp. considering things buried there and them being able to breath
No no no. No need to make things more complicated than they have to be. With the MCU already introducing the multi-verse nothing needs to be any more complicated and it needs to be more simplified and makes sense. Simple as that.
I bet the Xmen quick silver, Mr. Boner in Wanda will still a part to play. Also Sylvie is probably still key. She could show up, and whose to say 616 is only important and the MCU main storyline because this is the universe where the real big bad for the multiverse comes from?
Even if they decide it does take place in a parallel universe to forget their mistakes, I'm ok because the shows alright but the last episode was more of a what if and Rhode was ruined
I think people are just nitpicking. She mentioned "why did Monica have 2 glasses on the singing planet", who cares? That has nothing to do with the story, and its easy to deduce that one of those people next to her gave her a drink. The movie was just fine, it was good.
No one ever said “how did joker plant those bombs at the hospital?”
Modern audiences are so exhausting. Always looking to nitpick …
@@rantalmore true
I think regardless of what people think of where marvel is now, we have to keep in mind that writers, actors, vfx artists and everyone involved with the industry just got a huge win in terms of how they can do things. So going forward, I think we should expect to see much better finished projects hitting the screens (theatrical and streaming)
It'll take a bit I think. Echo was still made with a lot of crunch I assume, but stuff like Darkhold Diaries or whatever are just far away enough to benefit more I reckon
I really don't understand all the criticism of the Marvels. I really enjoyed this movie and it was worth seeing in theaters. I don't think the problem of its low box office is the movie (directing, writing, production, etc.), the problem is this is a family-friendly film and going out to a movie is waaaaaaayyyyy too expensive now for a family when we all know that in three months or so it can be watched at home on streaming, which we are already paying for.
How is the Kang build up too slow?? What more do you want??
Thanos was in 2 post credit scenes and made a small cameo in 6 years before Infinity War.
Kang has already played a major role in 3 projects in the first 3 years of the Multiverse Saga.
For real. The infinity stones weren’t even a thing until James Gunn basically fixed the MCU for Feige…
Imagine if every time you saw Thanos in those early movies he was beaten. That's the problem Kang comes off of garden variety since he never wins
Can we not have someone who is constantly pessimistic about everything? Kim is exhausting.
lol maude is worse
she is actually pretty fun@@jus10420
But Maude actually gets excited about things and seems like she likes being there, she fits in more
@@jus10420real. I literally unsubscribed bc of her. I couldn’t tell if she were just super critical, racist, annoying or just a bad person in general I was like it’s too much work trying to figure out her personality rather than simply enjoying the entire panels content. It was enough. On the off chance I was just upset at her opine, I came back to another video, went straight to comments to see the takes…and they were singing her specific praises and I was like oh yeah someone definitely said something about it or they saw some comments and I settled on not bothering with this specific sector anymore. now this is a performance and you’re not real, if that was you being real before so be it we don’t have to like that
Or if you didn’t switch and you told people to flood the comments that’s crazy but good on you but at any rate, it’s a no thanks for me. A shame though because I love new rockstars and want to support all they do but this one all because of these two women is not going down a treat.
“North Carolina, WHHAYYYT VISION”🤣☠️💀☠️ 23:10
I enjoy Kim’s realism to a point, but I do not think she’s a good fit with Jay. She does not seem comfortable with his dirty jokes and his very positive takes on the future of the MCU.
Fr, I feel like Jay had to walk on eggshells around her this whole episode. Not a great Breakroom pairing.
hmmm, I wonder why?
Man I appreciate Kim’s conversation truly but does she like ANYTHING y’all have been talking about recently it would be nice to see her talk about a project she enjoys
Every time I see her she hates everything.
Look at her reactions and expressions. She doesn't look like she even wants to be there.
Nah fr tho - Im all for being critical of things but the takes are so subjective
I'm good on Kim
I feel that Carol and Monica's relationship was meant to be awkward and people are uncomfortable with that but it had to happen they haven't scene each other in ages.
Mr Jay Washington running the show like he does on the BBC podcast ... Love it!
18:20 Jay’s out here doing Primm impressions 😂
I hope we get Moon Knight. I love the show and story.
Meeeeee tooooo!♡
This movie had the impossible job of trying to humanize a character that it was also going to show had almost destroyed a whole civilization, and for me it worked.
It looks like the breakroom needs an overhaul as well. 👀
If The Marvel's released before Secret Invasion I feel it would feel less awkward, so I think the reshuffle of release order made things like Valkyrie taking on refugees less weird.
30:16 all of HWR’s backstory is technically/loosely “implied” through the fast paced finale of both seasons. The way they presented it was soo.. “for the fans” because we should be able to tell by the MOMENT HWR froze Sylvie and then DROPPED his entire Theatrical Demeanor and completely leveled with Loki in the moment with the absolute best delivery for us to completely understand. HWR is honestly “Taskmastering” his presentation of his personality depending on who’s in the room, and when he realized Loki outgrew the road he himself had paved, he could see that Loki was now smart and strong enough to do what could potentially keep the multiverse’s lights on a little longer. And only in this scene do we officially see the truest identity of He Who Remains. THAT was Nathaniel Richards
Great take, was thinking along the same lines.
This felt like the guardians 1 movie. Imo
Victor Timely wasn’t supposed to be threatening. The scary thing was supposed to be finding out that he who remains planned all of this as well. Victor Timely isn’t really a Kang variant. As in he doesn’t become a Kang. Kang does become he who remains. Victor isn’t he who remains. He’s a variant on the timeline that doesn’t lead to another Kang. He’s literally a plant. If you take out the ending of Antman, Kang has actually been awesome. That’s even with the bad writing and poor creative choices. I’m ready to see the actual Conqueror
Hes literally called white vision.....
Once the Skull said we have no where to go, I believe that was after secret invasion. Obviously earth wasn’t a choice
I think I'm going to retire from watching Disney+ Marvel speculation "how does it all make sense" videos. Wake me up when "Echo" drops.
Fury from Secret Invasion makes more sense if he had just gone through The Marvels and getting SABER back online. The changing of release order really hurt Fury's story.
Honestly, I don't think Nia Dacosta wanted a longer movie, didn't she explicitly say the runtime was perfectly average for a film? I do think specific things were taken out so other parts could be put in outside of her control though. I wouldn't mind if the film was 10 minutes longer to flesh out the singing planet (partially because I enjoyed it lol). I also think Jay is sorta right with The Marvels being told through Kamala's perspective because all three leads have their own cut of the film. Maybe that was the reason for the title change? The movie could be looked at through any one of the three's lenses.
I was looking forward to this movie as a Ms. Marvel sequel more than a Captain Marvel sequel cuz I loved Ms. Marvel. And that's how I watched it, as a Ms. Marvel movie. And I really loved it
Flerkans would be used to revolutionize the freight shipping industry. Have em eat a freight container,ship a kitty on a plane for a fraction of the cost, have em barf of millions in freight. 😂
pleaseee i need moonknight s2!!!! it was so good
Kim really hating
Refreshing to have Jay here...thx 4 sticking up for Photon🙌🏾🙌🏾
I think the reveal of movies to be released at Comic-Con’s has been looking too far into the future with too many possible variables. Less reveals would lead to more excitement leading in. It’s hard to stay excited for so long
I genuinely wish Jay would be a Daily Regular for the show😢🙏🏼
Love everything Jay said Thank God!, kept 100.
I don't agree that this is a different Nick Fury. I have suffered from depression, and have been a different person at times when I was suffering from depression. And I did feel for Nick Fury during Secret Invasion. Now he's back and feeling better. And I don't mention friends all the time when I'm with other friends. So why should Nick Fury talk about Talos or G'haia when he is with the Khans and the Marvels? We don't need a mention of everyone just to have a mention of everyone.
I would be willing to bet money that originally there was no Skrull planet and the scenes in the musical planet was much longer, but Marvel made them shoehorn in that Skrull planet to tie it with Secret Invasion and that made them cut down the other planet considerably.
I think the criticisms you guys made are very valid, but I still think the final product was a fun time. It was still a good movie, just frustrating because we can pretty much see from the editing that there was a lot of interference.
Yelena is like 30, but I guess Kate Bishop is 23 so dos it even matter
Give me a new young cast for the xmen. Perfect example DR. Who. He gets recast and you grow to love him because they all play the same character.
Hi Kim! I remember you from a few episodes from Movie Fights! Good to see you again!
Thank you!!!!! I always thought that secret invasion should have been after The Marvels....I believe that's when it was scheduled anyway right? It would make sense why V sent them to Earth....BUT noone on NEW ROCKSTARS has mentioned how there wasn't many Skrulls on Saber like the post credit of Spiderman
How do you explain and show different TV shows and Movies being in different timelines?
What glasses are they talking about?
Can I apply for new rockstars
Ok here's my pitch:
We've heard Ironheart is about the intersection between science and magic with Anthony Ramos as the villain right? Have it teased in the later part of the season that he's reporting to someone else in sort of an apprentice/master relationship. Then, at the very end of the last episode, have Doom turn around revealed as the master.
Then make a Young Avengers movie where for whatever reason, they are up against Doom. Have them foolishly go to Latveria to take him down (because they're young and dont understand politics) and have him win decisively with them barely escaping. Leave us with a 'could even the legacy avengers have won?' type vibe. Then lead that into a bigger team up like Secret Wars
27:11 tbh it was such a let down for doom to not even be mentioned in Wakanda forever
Given marvels history do you think a movie named secret wars will have anything to do with the comics? I’m surprised that people are still expecting marvel to deliver the stories we’re expecting.
Can we just never have Jay and Kim together ever again? She clearly doesnt like him, and his jokes work better off of people who like him. She's good in videos with other people, and he's good in videos with other people. Just those two together NEVER again! I'm begging you!
Man... I loved Moon Knight LoL
She’s wrong. We will see the older cast of the X-men in secret wars and that resets the MCU. So that’s that.
Moon Knight was amazing why don't people like it?
Who ever this lady is shes very annoyed by Jay lol like literally everything he says.
Cutie tho
She been working at the same places as Jay Washington for 10 yrs. Screen junkies and Marvel movie news.
You can almost see the Trauma in Jay's eyes. 😅
@@brian6101Looking like AJ Lee and Aimee Garcia's daughter.
Yeah, cus she’s a savage 😂🙏🏼
She kept it real the whole time
She’s not a yes man
or a 24/7 marvel defender
she gave honest opinions that a lot of other ppl would agree with
It’s good to see honest friendly debates for once 👏🏼
She is right, NRS needs to start being more careful when it comes to spoilers…just keep a scroll that says “spoiler alerts for (whatever projects)”
I think yall too impatient for kang cause I really been liking the kang build up I like big stories especially when it’s time travel cause it’s always more to it
Kang fits anywhere. In Marvel canon Kang arcs almost always start from subtle timebased anomalies or suddenly. I suspect Kang Dynasty will start from basically zero. That's a Kang story. I think you're over thinking Kang. Kang is a disrupter of time and space, always who doesn't really need anymore of a lead in.
Madison?
The movie is called the Marvels not Captain Marvel and Nic Fury!! Damn
14:39 I think she needs to go away…
Marvel didn’t want to announce Kang Dynasty did they? I thought the title got leaked prior to Comic Con and so they were forced to announce Phase 6 to get ahead of it?
what about Kang in What if 2???
Fury's character make sense if you look at his character arc post coming back to till end of secret invasion as the stages of grief. We first have denial. Denial that things are out of his control. The only way he can deny this is but quarantining himself in space. Coming back to earth we get cycles of Anger, Bargaining and Depression from Fury as he works through the simple fact, he can't fix everything and he can't save everyone. It is out of his control. He loses everyone he cares about. Maria Hill? Dead. Talos? Dead. His wife? Well she is a traiter and the marriage is over. But it the end Fury starts to accept things. These things, they are out of his control. He can work toward a solution but someone like the president will come along and fudge it all up. The people he cares about, pushing them away, it didnt keep them safe and it didn't make it hurt any less when they eventually did get hurt. Then, just as he is about to leave, something unexpected happens, his wife shows up to see him off. Despite everything that happened, the pushing away, the words said, she was there. It was then that he full accepted everything. That the everything is fucked and you can do your part, but you have to remember that whatever you do is just part, part of something much bigger. He no longer wants to push the people he loves away and decides to ask his wife if she will come with him. She agrees. This is where fury really starts to heal. What we get in the marvels is that healed Fury. A Fury that, with every fiber of his being wants fix and help and make better, but also understands his limitations. That he can't do it all when he is just a small part of a much larger system. And that makes him lighter.
TLDR
@@Webbii-92 TL;DR secret invasion made Fury accept his lack of control and to embrace what he has while he has it.
Kelsey Grammer all the way!
The Loki Finale lets Marvel completely skip over Kang and move onto something else. The TVA is Loki's personal police force that monitors Kangs. If a Kang becomes a problem and is causing incursions either the TVA deals with it or they reach out to Loki and he personally prunes that Kang.
But the problem is the tva shouldn't be able to stop infinite kangs. It's a scaling problem. They can't use this excuse to pivot.
@@Eireternal Any time a Kang does an incursion, Loki personally prunes them. Random Kangs doing their crazy ish in their own universe is fine. The Finale was all about Loki learning it's okay to destroy and not to lose sight of the bigger picture.
@@jiffypoo5029 the whole point of Lokis multiverse is free will. The tva are no longer pruning branches. Loki is not pruning timelines. He's literally just there to keep the multiverse alive. So if the TVA doesn't have infinite resources and Loki acts as a Loom, they are living it up to the heroes out there to deal with Kang. They are simply monitoring. They saw the Conqueror and Ant man took care of it.
@@Eireternal Kang War in the natural multiverse destroys every universe in a cascade from incursions. Loki, allowing free will, also allows the Kang War to happen. Every Kang wants control and opposes free will. Loki personally keeps all branch timelines alive despite the incursions. If a Kang threatens the multiverse, he just stops keeping him alive preserving free will.
@@EireternalBig Picture talk from Mobius. Protecting Free Will sometimes doing some nasty things. Loki told HWR he will never stop fighting against the Kang variants now Loki has the power to deal with them himself... Big Picture, better than loom not perfect.
my theory is that in offing herself in MoM wandas final act was to somehow create her kids out of herself and her magic then charged agatha with being their guardian. kinda like an equivalent exchange thing. and her kids will factor in to bringing her back
12:05 I think the The Marvels is before Secret invasion. I think it is right after Ms. Marvel
They would invest in a different univers because when the different universes go to war we aren't supposed to know who to pull for because we love characters from all of them
Lmao at White Vision 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If only marvel had a CEO that would review scripts and make sure it all makes sense and there’s actually continuity instead of letting people “have fun” with their films.
I think all the workers at Sabre were Scrolls
They added the musical portion because of Kamala Khan and a nod to Bollywood dancing.
They're gonna scare kim 😂
denzel and giancarlo would make an amazing Xavier and magneto
I remember sometime before phase 4 began feige said that they might not use the 3 phase method to tell this story. Im starting to think this story might run into phase 7.
heres the truth. Yes they are in the same universe, the creators of both the show and movie likely werent able to see each others work since they werent done and rushed until the end. Saying it was planned from the start is straight copium. Could they reveal all of this later to be different universes? yes, but I dont think that was planned at all.
I don't think marvel will back away from Kang ..I do think we see him a lot less but when it comes to battleworld there needs to be a architect...someone who's moving the chess pieces in his favor and that's Kang, you guys are forgetting that it's not just variants of the Heroes we'll see, it's going to be the villains as well, good versions of them and bad versions of the heroes too. I do think leading up to Avengers 5 we will see Kang in projects like Eyes of wakanda, fantastic 4, the nomad project, maybe in the Hulk movie, if we get a Scarlett witch movie he could offer Wanda the same thing he offered Janet, we could see him in Moonknight season 2, Thor 5 where we will get to see loki again and thor variants, shang chi 2... between avengers 5 and secret wars there could be a few projects like Ms Marvel season 2 that might have something to do with Nathaniel Richards iron lad, a young avengers series where they defending earth while the bigger heroes are on battleworld, doctor strange 3 and a movie about the multiverse avengers coming together...most likely deadpool 4, i mean a deadpool movie with the toby maguires spiderman, deadpool, wolverine, wong, captain carter, loki and sylvie would be as big as avengers 5
Fury was in a much better place by the end of Secret Invasion of you watch it . There wasn’t a “sharp characterization change” between projects. The Fury in Secret Invasion expressed he was down because his actions we’re responsible for the invasion . After stopping Gravik and rekindling his relationship with his wife he was in a much better mood
Shouldn’t have been called secret invasion should’ve been called fury.
@@Benito722 facts
@@Benito722 and it should have just been an appetizer for a bigger Secret Invasion film in phase 5
Well Marvels was supposed to release before SI so thats why it feels so funky - also why the skrulls going to Earth makes no sense but thats what happens when Marvel needed to shift dates around
I don't have any lingering questions lol. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this movie and its issues.
Can we move on and talk about the good in this movie? Like we get it, it's flawed ... what now?
Well you do need to examine the flaws to know what to do better. You can’t just see the good and move on and be completely positive that consumers will accept it no matter what. That doesn’t work well for anything, especially movies.
@@KristenYolandawho are you to tell them how to see things? Weirdo
@@rantalmore 🤭😂😂😂😂
I think you missed that it was a general point and not for the specific person and more for writers and people in the industry. 🤣weirdo.
I thought it was weird that dar-ben couldnt breath on halla because that planet didnt have an atmosphere, but in the beginning of the movie she and her guards were on a moon (i assume that moons dont have atmospheres) without breathers but had no problem talking and breathing when they were on it. And that was the whole reason why she was fracking other planets atmospheres. 😅
They syphoned air from MB19 so I think it did have an atmosphere. I think it was more of a small planet than a moon esp. considering things buried there and them being able to breath
Is that Kim from mff marvel future fight?
This lady is not a good fit up here why she looks scared 😱 big up’s to Jay 🫡
In my headcanon, I like to believe this nick fury is a cyborg or skrull of some sorts. 😅
I’m not feeling this chicks vibe. Maybe she will grow on me. She looks uncomfortable/awkward.
maybe next kang arrives from Qeng Industries in any of the "street-level" shows.
Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤
Also why doesn’t ms marvel have both bangles?
Oh wow i remember Kim from the nerd alert days
I like to believe she hulk and secret invasion take place in the new branched timelines.
Jay is also in the mcu via the rap shit universe !
It's too early for doctor doom
Marvels was good idk what the girl the middle has to say who is she to think her opinion matters replace her asap
The flerkins would make a great replacement for loki, or the loom
t.ihis is still phase 4 .
These two seriously don't get Jay's humour 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
No no no. No need to make things more complicated than they have to be. With the MCU already introducing the multi-verse nothing needs to be any more complicated and it needs to be more simplified and makes sense. Simple as that.
Love J’s input here
Four different universes
marvel won't get rid of kang also Yelena will not be in the younger Avengers
I loved moonknight
I think Doom is going to kill Kang and take over….
I bet the Xmen quick silver, Mr. Boner in Wanda will still a part to play. Also Sylvie is probably still key. She could show up, and whose to say 616 is only important and the MCU main storyline because this is the universe where the real big bad for the multiverse comes from?
The movie is great! Don't pull at the strings
Deadpool 3 July
Even if they decide it does take place in a parallel universe to forget their mistakes, I'm ok because the shows alright but the last episode was more of a what if and Rhode was ruined