My first BMW was an E46 with the 2.2 litre inline six cylinder. I bought it when it was 10 years old, as a second car to be used during the winter months. Next, I asked the local BMW dealer to find me a two year old F10 535i and they found me a great car with only 26,000 miles on it. It has the X drive and M Sport package options. It was a leased car that the dealer had serviced since day one. I still have both cars. The F10 is put away for the winter and the E46 is my daily driver, and currently has 301,000 miles on it, still running great. Now, I want the dealer to locate a mint condition M5, but I've been concerned about the oil burning issues with the tirbocharged V8 engines. This video has helped to clear up some of my concerns. Thank you.
I appreciate you sharing your personal experience with the engine. So many people on YT just regurgitate what they heard without never have owned or worked on one of them. Thx
You had me on the edge of my seat with wondering what you would say about the engine in our 2014 650i Gran Coupe. I dug out the paperwork and it has the N63T engine. Apparently, if i understood you, it has had many improvements over the original N63, thank god. With only 50K miles we hope to get another 50K trouble free miles, although local BMW repair shop just gave us a bath costing about 3 grand to replace high pressure fuel pump, installed new $700.00 battery, $100.00 to replace key fob battery that I had already replaced 2 weeks previously, etc. I wish we could be happy with a Chevrolet or Ford but after 6 BMW's there is no going back to American made. They got us hooked, damn it.
@@studmuffin8859 13 650x GC. All started with an e46 3 series for me, there was no going back. Motor just blew on my Tu at 105k out of nowhere. I would suggest around 80k if you have time do valves and bearings and timing guides and chains yourself if you have time. Or pay to have it done. Or get rid of it quite honestly.
Things to keep in mind since ive been around the insides of lots of n63s / s63, they all have forged cranks, they all have similar rods, known to bend around 700wheel torque in the m5s, the older n63s before 02/11 rods were actually used in the newer v12 tt rolls royces and look beefier than the newer rods, n63tu fuel pumps and injectors are still known to go out, biggest benefit of a tu is the head cooling was redesigned and the newer stem seals
Have you heard of or dealt with the aftermath of this issue where the oil pressure relief valve is accidentally thrown out during oil changes on the n63's? Evidently, the retainer clips at the bottom of the oil filter cover become brittle and break off and then if not paying attention, the pressure relief valve gets tossed out with the old filter. Anyway thanks for what you do... you have the most thorough and balanced technical reviews of BMW's and what to expect of them out there. Keep it up!
I've learned something new! Very nicely explained, especially the difference in each and not just combining everything in one which would be hard differentiate
Thanks for explaining in great detail about this engine. I am leasing a 2022 M550i and a number of people told me not to get the N63 engine. So far I have put 6k miles and no issues. Fun car to drive. I am wondering to keep it after the lease.
Finally an accurate description of the history of the N63 engine and subsequent updates. I have a 2015 650i XDrive with 48k miles, I change the oil every 5k miles or one year. No issues! Love the car and got the car for a steal for a MRSP $115k. The car came with every option! Thanks again for setting everyone right!
Glad to report the truth about the engine! I was also 'scared' by others when I got my 2014 550i years ago, but people seem to forget there are so many version of the same N63 engine! Take care of it and it will take care of you. Enjoy your awesome 650i!
@@SimpleCarGuy Currently looking at buying a 2012 550xi with 120,000 miles great service records all at a bmw dealership. They are selling it to me for low blue book because it's a family member. What do you think? Safe buy?
First the bmw N63 did have these problem, that being said, Bmw finally after a decade they finally built got the N63 engine right. If you have a 2014 and up bmw with the N63 engine all of those problems have been dealt with. I have a 2013 550i and had the engine blown because of rod bearing problems. If you keep up with regular maintenance your bmw will last you one hundred thousand miles and beyond. That being said you common sense if you beat on it and don't take care of it, it will blow up on you.
Thank you! Great video. I have test driven a 2019 750i and I really like it. It has the N63TU2 engine. But the horror stories I have heard break my heart. I really like this car, but I have been resisting purchasing it in fear of making an absolutely regrettable decision. The last thing I want is to purchase a maintenance nightmare. Thank you for putting me at a just a bit of ease.
@@usmanjnc8872 my tu1 made it to 105k. I drive it moderately mostly but am not afraid to use the pedal when I get a safe chance to. I would expect similar results or slightly better honestly. Plugs coils injectors maybe some hoses and other random small things until then. Nickel and diming just a little but nothing bad, just the big problems that really hurt like a blown n63 😂 hell the transmission is cheap even
I have a 2010 750i with almost 120,000miles . Original engine and transmission. Just go oil changes regularly make sure spark plugs and coils are doing good . Coolant leak is common so make sure that’s dealt with and should be ok .
On the newest n63b, get a lower tstat put in right away. Dealer will never be able to detect this either. This will help to keep temps down. Secondly, if you maintain your car, get Funk turbine inside out blanket. Can install these without taking out the turbos and will help to reduce hot spots and timing reduction for middle cylinders. Just check the blankets during oil changes ( every 3-5k miles!) for oil contamination.
Great video, exactly what I was looking for - I was getting nervous about trying the 2021-2022 M550i after all the bad press - but your video puts the uneasiness to rest…can’t wait to get it this summer/fall - just need to find the right one
Thanks for the history on this engine and all the subsequent improvements and upgrades. I watched a similar review trashing the older versions and was getting cold feet on the deposit I put down on a 22 X6 M50i. Your knowledgeable assessment helped me stick with that decision and I’m sure I’ll love the car. I’ve owned several BMW’s and many BMW motorcycles and have bled with the cutting edge of technology at times, but it seems like BMW has done some very good improvements to this engine over time. Great concise review!
I have a 2011 550i tuned with some upgrades pushing 647HP on the original N63. I change the oil every 3000 miles, I am running an oil valve cooler and a cooler thermostat to keep the heat down significantly. It works. One note. Smoke coming out of the tailpipe can also be the PCV valves. If they are cracked and broken. It will cause smoke. Use thicker motor oil, Forte seal conditioner with every oil change and you'll be good.
This is very helpful! I am currently shopping 2020 750i's and almost stopped after all the bad press about the V8. Sounds like the 2020 is a fairly safe buy - I absolutely love the look, build quality/look/feel. I am coming from multiple Lexus LS and most recently 10 years in an A8L - I keep coming back to the 750 but so far have been afraid to pull the trigger - your video provided great input - thanks!
Not old enough to have the kinda prolonged heat failures n63s are prone to. Time will tell. I suspect they get better over time but will never be truly reliable just because it’s a hot v heat cannon. - 2013 650ix GC
Motor went down at 105k no warnings for me. It’s not the worst thing to make it to 105k on a borderline supercar but for 105k sticker you’d like it to go a little longer maybe closer to 150.
Thank you brother for your information about this engine,i have a 2012 Bmw 750i xdrive F01 and i was very worried about the reliability because i have heard many bad news about these engines and it was AFTER i have bought the car, but now that YOU said that it was upgrade in 2012 and it became N63TU i feel relief.
@@MrFlyNikolai No brother you are wrong...i read it on ( wikipedia) Bmw N63 engine it says i quote... In 2012 a technical update was APPLIED to the N63 engine and not " released in the 2013 model " NO it doesnt say that... thats your own opinion. Resulting in the N63TU variants also known as N63B4401.the main upgrade was the additional of valvotronic,other changes include revised turbocharger,removal of the blow off valves,lighter pistons,forget connecting rods and cranckshaft,additional of valves cover labyrinth oil catch/return system,new valves stem steal,revised fuel system, and additional of a second cooler pump. So dont scare me now...come one man Beside since i bought the car is been now almost 2 years and the only issues i have had with my car is ( air bag light ,traction light and engines light are on and i am taking it next week for diagnostic) other than that STILL with those lights on on the instrument cluster,the car drives strong ,smooth shifting and very quiet.
I wish this video was out in 2015 when I bought a 2012 X5 50 with 50,000 miles from a BMW dealer through the CPO program after it came out of a 3 year lease. First and foremost, I loved the car. It was my 3rd X5 and had all the bells and whistles. It now has 120,000 miles. It goes through oil like a fart through a French horn. Over the last 2 years it has increased consumption to a quart about every 500 miles. I also just found out that both valve cover gaskets are starting to leak. Nothing to do now but nurse it along and trade it in in about a year or so. I understand that the majority of oil consumption comes from the poorly engineered valve stem seals. But at the current value of the car, that is a ridiculous repair expense since it is probably more than the value of the car.
I had an Audi that had mechanical problems which Audi took care of under a recall. But like BMW the new parts that they used to replace the old ones were no different than the old parts that broke down. So several months later I had the same issues all over again. A lot of BMW owners with this engine have had the same problem the second time around after spending thousands of dollars getting it all fixed. The point is the "new"replacement parts that they put in have the same issues as the old ones because it's the same thing just brand new. The idea of replacement parts is supposed to mean something that is a completely different design mechanically than the old one that malfunction.
To my knowledge the valve stems perish due to heat which in turn leaks oil into the pistons which I suspect is a side effect of the Hot V arrangement. As I am not a mechanic or a BMW owner you can take my suggestion with a grain of salt. I would personally run an Interchiller ( not an Intercooler ) keeping the engine temps down will most likely reduce valve stem depreciation and prevent excessive oil consumption and blue smoke in the exhaust ( in theory ) and improve engine longevity and possibly regain those longer service intervals unless you drive your vehicle on the track
5:33 you made a mistake. The N63TU2 doesnt include model year 2020 for the m550i. The 2020-2023. m550i has the n63tu3. i have a 2020. the extra 75 hp is what made me pay the extra for the 2020 model instead of the 2019
My N63TU is at 118K miles and I’ve done normal maintenance besides changing a radiator under warranty and next week I’m getting new rotors and pads plus O2 sensors she runs just fine and 5-6K oil changes with 5W40 euro full synthetic
Question: The carbon on the intake valves was not discussed. Why wasn't this issue brought up and what's the easiest way to clean up the intake valves ?
Lovely summary! I have a 2018 M550i with the TU2 @ 38k miles and so far just my coolant lines have been replaced under warranty. Unfortunately I've had issues with the "bulletproof" ZF gearbox though. Guess I'm lucky!
@@7mdmd875 don’t know if you already figured it out. Mustang and M550i are complete different cars. Mustang 5L is slightly faster (0-60 3.5s) than M550i (0-60 4.0s) on straight line. Mustang is not a luxury car yet it is very comfortable to drive. M550i is Luxury, roomier, and have actual second row.
@@manofsesame3024 Well, I know they are not comparable cars in general. However, they can be compared in terms of power as they both have similar power outputs. I saw some races between them and the M550 actually smoked the Mustang. Nevertheless, the M550 has the advantage of X-drive (all wheel drive), while the mustang is RWD.
N63 orginal engine coolant thermostat replacement 90c. Lower psi water cap. Oil change every 7500km. Did not do the oil valve since I live in a 25c average climate. Replace all the water coolant t junction with aluminum t junction. Catch can installed. Use liquid moly oil saver ever 30,000.. never had to top up my oil between service. I use intake cleaner for carbon build up. Every 15,000 km And injector cleaner every 7500 with ptfe
Engine replacement or rebuild is GUARANTEED....... because I just got the engine of my 2016 X5 4.4 Twin Power Turbo V8 rebuild at my local BMW....it's all covered under the extended warranty...so I paid nothing other than the deductible
@@SimpleCarGuy Yes sir we are going on 3.5 years as well with the first N63 to run 10s in the qtr mile. Congrats sir ours has been honestly pain free knock on wood!
I recently bought a 2012 BMW 550I that had its engine replaced thanks to a third party warranty the previous owner took out. I am hoping to get a long life out of the engine. Any advice on what to do to keep it on the road?
I have a 2014 X6 drive 50i...nothing but problems. It's in the shop right now, engine is toast (bearing rods). I took it to BMW multiple times in 2018 for excessive oil consumption and smoke out the tailpipe. They did the absolute bare minimum to comply with the CCP. The direct result is my engine failure. Multiple issues with multiple components due to the immense heat from the HOT V design. I would avoid any BMW with this engine.
The engine on my 550i 2013 locked out of nowhere all maintenance was up to date no codes on the dash so now thinking up just upgrading the turbos and getting same (v8) but more reliable engine
BMWNA replaced the engine and turbos in my 2011 X5 and I've been fine over the last 20k miles. I change the oil every 3,000 miles, and take it to redline regularly, but I don't dog it and you don't need to in order to get well above 120mph. Downpipes, upgraded turbos and a tune are planned for the spring. Stay away if you don't have the money for maintenance and definitely stay away if you can't warranty the vehicle....
You’re doing it right! Had the turbos replaced, changing oil often and having fun! I did the same thing in mine for 4 years and no issues. Butttt that’s not what people expect to do on a fancy luxury car..
@manofsesame3024 not sure what to tell you. Oil changes are cheap and engines are expensive. For me, that's two oil changes a year. Mine is not my daily and isn't likely ever to be, but it hasn't given me any trouble after the replacement.
Hey car guys, if anyone could answer. In the tech sheet of my F06 from 2012 it says my engine is N63B44B. could someone tell me which of the versions mentioned in the video is it? Thanks.
Tengo una BMW 550i Gt año 2011y aveces se calienta y no veo coolant en el piso tampoco por las mangas pero no se calienta siempre es aveces, que podría ser
I have a 2013 F10 N55 looking to replace my 2nd car with another bmw I was looking at the 4 series but I think you sold me on the N63TU. I’ll be looking for a ’14-16 F10 N63
Best way to keep any and specially this engine healthy is to not rev it high when cold, use 5w-40 oil, and a lower thermostat, these run extremely too hot. BMW cooks their engines in order to get better MPGs
Great content, i have n63 original x5. Luckily small things like coolant lines and gaskets the only issue. Oil consumption is liter per 5-6000kms. Seems Europe has less issues
Nice video, man ! I am looking at a 750x drive and it has this engine. Apparently is good to stay away. What about the 3 Liter diesel? 730d as example?
im lookong forward to buy a 650i and i dont want the trouble that comes with the base N63, so what i could look out for is basicly the power? bcs u showed that the base n63 was used in the 650 from 11-17 but the second generation was first used in 2013. sorry for my english i hope its alright haha
I have a question about this car, why the engine model of the 2019 m850i I found is n63b, which is not one of the ones introduced in the video, and there is no introduction to this model of engine, why is this
Do you know how to fix “roof movement impaired” when I was putting the top up it stopped midway now it won’t close completely, the Windows will not go up and the trunk will not open. Thanks for anything
I am planning to buy a 2019 BMW M550i X Drive. That engine is B63TU3 or better right ? It will be the most reliable version of N63 yet. Would you recommend buying it ?
Hey guys I’m looking into buying a 2018 bmw 550i xdrive it has about 61k miles and it’s a good price, I’m new into bmw so idk much should I get this car and if so what are some common know problems I should fix or upgrade as soon as I get the car
I’ve got the same car year and model as you. No issues at all. Alpina redesigned the heart of this engine to make it live longer. It’s got upgrades to basically everything that’s gone bad in the n63 engines. Alpina took care of it all. Just do oil change frequently for better performance 👍🏽
Hi, Roland D again and as I saud before, I just moved back to The Netherlands. I just asked you about the 550i which I'll follow your advice. What can you advice me on a F10 2.3 3.0 2010 at 80K miles?
Hi Roland! I'm not familiar with the 2.3 as they don't sell those here. As for the 3.0. Which 3.0 is it? What's the model? They had a couple 3 liter engines.
@@SimpleCarGuy Good morning Just drop all other stuff. I thought I did send you a message yesterday I closed a deal on a 2017 F10 550i. As I go along you will hear from me. Compliments of the season🌋
RUclips decided your comment was spam for some reason and I never saw it! Congratulations on the car, I hope you have been enjoying it! Let me know how you like it a few weeks later now.
Would This Be More Reliable Than An M3 Or M6 Ive Been Looking Around And Seen A Few M3 And M6 Around 90k -85k Also Some Fairly Decent 650i Coupes And Grand Coupes I want M3 Turbo But Im Thinking Its The Same As 650i If Not I Was Just Going To Get A C6 Corvette Or Cla45 AMG
Hey man great video, thanks I'm from Chicago too. I have left a comment for your other video, not sure if you are still replying, but would appreciate your help. Getting 2016 BMW 550i with 65k miles. I never had a BMW before. First thing I will do is take it to the local BMW dealership and ask them to do diagnostic on the list of issues you mentioned in the video. Do you know what are other recommended maintenance I should do besides changing the oil every 5k miles? Thanks in advance.
Hi there! On a 2016 BMW 550i there shouldn't much more than you need to do other than change oil. If the spark plugs and coils have not been changed, I'd get those changed as well. The rest should be as needed. Congrats on an awesome car (when you get it)!
Currently looking at buying a 2012 550xi with 120,000 miles great service records all at a bmw dealership. They are selling it to me for low blue book because it's a family member. What do you think? Safe buy?
Get rid of it asap.!!! Anything v8 before 2014/2015 is a no no.! Trust I told you this .!! Just the turbo alone cooks every single rubber seal in that thing and once it’s on it’s on, Third party mechanics don’t want to do the work. It’s too labor intensive. Dickhead BMW dealer want to charge 10k for the work , instead of charging a customer 2k because they know it’s their fault they build a shitty engine . BMW should have replaced n63 with tu’s for all of its customers. Care package is bullshit.! A bandaid on a bad wound .! For anybody I’d suggest once a year.put deal conditioner in the engine drive for two weeks and then get an oil change
thank you so much, always been afraid of N63 .. looks like still a bad engine even the latest TU3 .. I am sure they will upgrade again.. I go with my 6 in line best engine ever
im looking at 2014 550i with 121k miles and a 2011 550i with 83k i know you should go with 2014 but is safe for me to buy if the miles is 121k there is no problems with car at all
I have X5 M 2011 with only 50K miles on it but it has multiple issues including engine overheat, fuel pump, misfire, etc. As you mentioned BMW came up originally with their "Customer Care Package" but that was years ago. Do you think they will still perform the same service after all these years if the previous owner hasn't done it yet?
I have owned the E70 N63 since 2016 now. I can attest that it is WORST engine I have ever seen in my life. I had ALL of the issues and then more ( valve cover gaget and knock sensors). It ended up blowing up and destroying the rod bearings. I was forced to replace it with a new one because I had been left with a worthless piece of %*=÷. Dont buy it. Just dont
Real talk., that original n63 is nothing but horror The tu is a bit better….but you still have to maintain them like babies. Get a car with the tu3 if u can and save yourself the headaches .! Once a year put some sort of seal conditioner in their when you 500 miles from an oil change
My first BMW was an E46 with the 2.2 litre inline six cylinder. I bought it when it was 10 years old, as a second car to be used during the winter months. Next, I asked the local BMW dealer to find me a two year old F10 535i and they found me a great car with only 26,000 miles on it. It has the X drive and M Sport package options. It was a leased car that the dealer had serviced since day one. I still have both cars. The F10 is put away for the winter and the E46 is my daily driver, and currently has 301,000 miles on it, still running great. Now, I want the dealer to locate a mint condition M5, but I've been concerned about the oil burning issues with the tirbocharged V8 engines. This video has helped to clear up some of my concerns. Thank you.
2012 650i - never an engine problem. Still runs and looks new. Regular maintenance, timely service, no abuse of the car is a key to happy ownership.
Yes - I agree. . .
What mileage did you get it at. How many owners. And define no abuse.
@@HebrewAmaz 70k miles. I never raced it or drove exceedingly hard.
I never really drove mine that hard, bought at 68k 2013 n63tu. My cyl 8 has 60 psi compression at 105k. Something’s blown internally
@@shanejones578the guy before you has drove it hard then.
I appreciate you sharing your personal experience with the engine. So many people on YT just regurgitate what they heard without never have owned or worked on one of them. Thx
You had me on the edge of my seat with wondering what you would say about the engine in our 2014 650i Gran Coupe. I dug out the paperwork and it has the N63T engine. Apparently, if i understood you, it has had many improvements over the original N63, thank god. With only 50K miles we hope to get another 50K trouble free miles, although local BMW repair shop just gave us a bath costing about 3 grand to replace high pressure fuel pump, installed new $700.00 battery, $100.00 to replace key fob battery that I had already replaced 2 weeks previously, etc. I wish we could be happy with a Chevrolet or Ford but after 6 BMW's there is no going back to American made. They got us hooked, damn it.
@@studmuffin8859 13 650x GC. All started with an e46 3 series for me, there was no going back. Motor just blew on my Tu at 105k out of nowhere. I would suggest around 80k if you have time do valves and bearings and timing guides and chains yourself if you have time. Or pay to have it done. Or get rid of it quite honestly.
Things to keep in mind since ive been around the insides of lots of n63s / s63, they all have forged cranks, they all have similar rods, known to bend around 700wheel torque in the m5s, the older n63s before 02/11 rods were actually used in the newer v12 tt rolls royces and look beefier than the newer rods, n63tu fuel pumps and injectors are still known to go out, biggest benefit of a tu is the head cooling was redesigned and the newer stem seals
Thanks for that info!! Thats good to know.
Absolutely. Everyone is a Tech on the net
Any idea if the old n63s can be updated with the new heads etc? I believe I have an 09 750LI but no idea what it really has
Getting a generic code for low rail pressure. Having your experiences, was the culprit the HPfp’s? Or do the low pressure ones go out too
@@F10Joosbi Test the fuel pumps.
Have you heard of or dealt with the aftermath of this issue where the oil pressure relief valve is accidentally thrown out during oil changes on the n63's?
Evidently, the retainer clips at the bottom of the oil filter cover become brittle and break off and then if not paying attention, the pressure relief valve gets tossed out with the old filter.
Anyway thanks for what you do... you have the most thorough and balanced technical reviews of BMW's and what to expect of them out there. Keep it up!
Thanks for this video this is exactly what I was looking to find. I’m an Audi 3.0t fan but this is on the radar when the prices come down.
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching.
I've learned something new! Very nicely explained, especially the difference in each and not just combining everything in one which would be hard differentiate
Thanks for explaining in great detail about this engine. I am leasing a 2022 M550i and a number of people told me not to get the N63 engine. So far I have put 6k miles and no issues. Fun car to drive. I am wondering to keep it after the lease.
Thanks for watching! 2022 n63 engine is soooo much better than the original n63 and people don’t seem to grasp that and think they are all the same
Finally an accurate description of the history of the N63 engine and subsequent updates. I have a 2015 650i XDrive with 48k miles, I change the oil every 5k miles or one year. No issues! Love the car and got the car for a steal for a MRSP $115k. The car came with every option! Thanks again for setting everyone right!
Glad to report the truth about the engine! I was also 'scared' by others when I got my 2014 550i years ago, but people seem to forget there are so many version of the same N63 engine! Take care of it and it will take care of you. Enjoy your awesome 650i!
@@SimpleCarGuy Currently looking at buying a 2012 550xi with 120,000 miles great service records all at a bmw dealership. They are selling it to me for low blue book because it's a family member. What do you think? Safe buy?
@@strangeclouds7 did you buy it? if so how has it been?
@@SimpleCarGuyu didn't have any issues with the n63tu?
I know this post is old hopefully you respod I just resently got mines any advice for maintenance?
I have a 2014 550i and it has over 121000 thousand miles and runs like a beast I love my 5 series
Would you pull trigger on 2015 90k miles for 16k...I seen it on buy now at auction site
@@sirmoney2762I did on my 80K mile 650i 2015 and she’s at 118K miles
@@sirmoney2762yes but for 13-14k
@@sirmoney2762Damn 1 year late, id buy on the spot
@@kacper.6537 it's cool I made move on Lexus GS-F sport... Love it
First the bmw N63 did have these problem, that being said, Bmw finally after a decade they finally built got the N63 engine right. If you have a 2014 and up bmw with the N63 engine all of those problems have been dealt with. I have a 2013 550i and had the engine blown because of rod bearing problems. If you keep up with regular maintenance your bmw will last you one hundred thousand miles and beyond. That being said you common sense if you beat on it and don't take care of it, it will blow up on you.
Thank you! Great video. I have test driven a 2019 750i and I really like it. It has the N63TU2 engine. But the horror stories I have heard break my heart. I really like this car, but I have been resisting purchasing it in fear of making an absolutely regrettable decision. The last thing I want is to purchase a maintenance nightmare. Thank you for putting me at a just a bit of ease.
@@usmanjnc8872 my tu1 made it to 105k. I drive it moderately mostly but am not afraid to use the pedal when I get a safe chance to. I would expect similar results or slightly better honestly. Plugs coils injectors maybe some hoses and other random small things until then. Nickel and diming just a little but nothing bad, just the big problems that really hurt like a blown n63 😂 hell the transmission is cheap even
Thanks!
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching.
I have a 2010 750i with almost 120,000miles . Original engine and transmission. Just go oil changes regularly make sure spark plugs and coils are doing good . Coolant leak is common so make sure that’s dealt with and should be ok .
On the newest n63b, get a lower tstat put in right away. Dealer will never be able to detect this either. This will help to keep temps down. Secondly, if you maintain your car, get Funk turbine inside out blanket. Can install these without taking out the turbos and will help to reduce hot spots and timing reduction for middle cylinders. Just check the blankets during oil changes ( every 3-5k miles!) for oil contamination.
Great video, exactly what I was looking for - I was getting nervous about trying the 2021-2022 M550i after all the bad press - but your video puts the uneasiness to rest…can’t wait to get it this summer/fall - just need to find the right one
Thanks for the history on this engine and all the subsequent improvements and upgrades. I watched a similar review trashing the older versions and was getting cold feet on the deposit I put down on a 22 X6 M50i. Your knowledgeable assessment helped me stick with that decision and I’m sure I’ll love the car. I’ve owned several BMW’s and many BMW motorcycles and have bled with the cutting edge of technology at times, but it seems like BMW has done some very good improvements to this engine over time. Great concise review!
Should have gotten a Lexus. Much much much more reliable
How has it treated you so far ?
I have a 2011 550i tuned with some upgrades pushing 647HP on the original N63. I change the oil every 3000 miles, I am running an oil valve cooler and a cooler thermostat to keep the heat down significantly. It works.
One note. Smoke coming out of the tailpipe can also be the PCV valves. If they are cracked and broken. It will cause smoke.
Use thicker motor oil, Forte seal conditioner with every oil change and you'll be good.
What coils do you use because I have a 2016 550i and was thinking about buying eldor coils before I tune
@@maddogyoyo228 eldors are the best. Those are what I currently have. Also if you tune it. Run NGK step 2 colder plugs.
@UCqwfd1Wgp9C-amkcD0cKMBw are the ngk plugs on fcp euro
@@maddogyoyo228 should be. That's where I bought mine.
@UCqwfd1Wgp9C-amkcD0cKMBw and what downpipe is the best
This is very helpful! I am currently shopping 2020 750i's and almost stopped after all the bad press about the V8. Sounds like the 2020 is a fairly safe buy - I absolutely love the look, build quality/look/feel. I am coming from multiple Lexus LS and most recently 10 years in an A8L - I keep coming back to the 750 but so far have been afraid to pull the trigger - your video provided great input - thanks!
Not old enough to have the kinda prolonged heat failures n63s are prone to. Time will tell. I suspect they get better over time but will never be truly reliable just because it’s a hot v heat cannon. - 2013 650ix GC
Motor went down at 105k no warnings for me. It’s not the worst thing to make it to 105k on a borderline supercar but for 105k sticker you’d like it to go a little longer maybe closer to 150.
Thank you brother for your information about this engine,i have a 2012 Bmw 750i xdrive F01 and i was very worried about the reliability because i have heard many bad news about these engines and it was AFTER i have bought the car, but now that YOU said that it was upgrade in 2012 and it became N63TU i feel relief.
He meant it was upgraded in 2012, but released in the 2013 model. You still have the original N63 in your car
@@MrFlyNikolai No brother you are wrong...i read it on ( wikipedia) Bmw N63 engine it says i quote...
In 2012 a technical update was APPLIED to the N63 engine and not " released in the 2013 model " NO it doesnt say that... thats your own opinion.
Resulting in the N63TU variants also known as N63B4401.the main upgrade was the additional of valvotronic,other changes include revised turbocharger,removal of the blow off valves,lighter pistons,forget connecting rods and cranckshaft,additional of valves cover labyrinth oil catch/return system,new valves stem steal,revised fuel system, and additional of a second cooler pump.
So dont scare me now...come one man
Beside since i bought the car is been now almost 2 years and the only issues i have had with my car is ( air bag light ,traction light and engines light are on and i am taking it next week for diagnostic) other than that STILL with those lights on on the instrument cluster,the car drives strong ,smooth shifting and very quiet.
@@MrFlyNikolai 😅😅
I wish this video was out in 2015 when I bought a 2012 X5 50 with 50,000 miles from a BMW dealer through the CPO program after it came out of a 3 year lease. First and foremost, I loved the car. It was my 3rd X5 and had all the bells and whistles. It now has 120,000 miles. It goes through oil like a fart through a French horn. Over the last 2 years it has increased consumption to a quart about every 500 miles. I also just found out that both valve cover gaskets are starting to leak. Nothing to do now but nurse it along and trade it in in about a year or so. I understand that the majority of oil consumption comes from the poorly engineered valve stem seals. But at the current value of the car, that is a ridiculous repair expense since it is probably more than the value of the car.
I had an Audi that had mechanical problems which Audi took care of under a recall. But like BMW the new parts that they used to replace the old ones were no different than the old parts that broke down. So several months later I had the same issues all over again. A lot of BMW owners with this engine have had the same problem the second time around after spending thousands of dollars getting it all fixed. The point is the "new"replacement parts that they put in have the same issues as the old ones because it's the same thing just brand new. The idea of replacement parts is supposed to mean something that is a completely different design mechanically than the old one that malfunction.
I noticed my Mercedes doesn’t keep me in shop an I had a bmw before
@@cashgogetter6737 - Same! I had a 2003 and also a 2002 S Class before and they both ran like a champ!
@faznout those year Mercedes were reliable. It's totally different story now.
To my knowledge the valve stems perish due to heat which in turn leaks oil into the pistons which I suspect is a side effect of the Hot V arrangement. As I am not a mechanic or a BMW owner you can take my suggestion with a grain of salt. I would personally run an Interchiller ( not an Intercooler ) keeping the engine temps down will most likely reduce valve stem depreciation and prevent excessive oil consumption and blue smoke in the exhaust ( in theory ) and improve engine longevity and possibly regain those longer service intervals unless you drive your vehicle on the track
Wonderful elaborations on several sub-types of N63 V8 of Bimmer Engines. Very Informative and Educational for me.
5:33 you made a mistake. The N63TU2 doesnt include model year 2020 for the m550i. The 2020-2023. m550i has the n63tu3. i have a 2020. the extra 75 hp is what made me pay the extra for the 2020 model instead of the 2019
Yea that’s what I was thinking to
Thank you for this video! Finally the correct information on the N63 motor reliability!
My N63TU is at 118K miles and I’ve done normal maintenance besides changing a radiator under warranty and next week I’m getting new rotors and pads plus O2 sensors she runs just fine and 5-6K oil changes with 5W40 euro full synthetic
Nice man hopefully it runs great for you
Question: The carbon on the intake valves was not discussed. Why wasn't this issue brought up and what's the easiest way to clean up the intake valves ?
This video was useful, I have a 2016 BMW 550i xdrive that I recently bought, I heard the N63TU was more reliable, I think mine has the N63TU2
Yours should have the N63TU. N63TU2 was only the M550i G30, I believe. Still a great engine and I'm happy you found the video useful!
Lovely summary! I have a 2018 M550i with the TU2 @ 38k miles and so far just my coolant lines have been replaced under warranty. Unfortunately I've had issues with the "bulletproof" ZF gearbox though. Guess I'm lucky!
Nice One👍🏻 …& other volgs don’t really go into detail with all the updates over the years which is what you did
best explanation about this engines differences
thanks....
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching.
Looking at a 2018 m550i this video has me feeling more certain of making the purchase thank you
I love my 18' M550i
@@tanman7627 is it faster than a 5.0 mustang?
@@7mdmd875 don’t know if you already figured it out. Mustang and M550i are complete different cars. Mustang 5L is slightly faster (0-60 3.5s) than M550i (0-60 4.0s) on straight line. Mustang is not a luxury car yet it is very comfortable to drive. M550i is Luxury, roomier, and have actual second row.
@@manofsesame3024 Well, I know they are not comparable cars in general. However, they can be compared in terms of power as they both have similar power outputs. I saw some races between them and the M550 actually smoked the Mustang. Nevertheless, the M550 has the advantage of X-drive (all wheel drive), while the mustang is RWD.
About 20k on the new engine in my E70 so far so good since I’ve had it in March only thing I had to deal was a HPFP
N63 orginal engine coolant thermostat replacement 90c. Lower psi water cap. Oil change every 7500km. Did not do the oil valve since I live in a 25c average climate.
Replace all the water coolant t junction with aluminum t junction.
Catch can installed.
Use liquid moly oil saver ever 30,000.. never had to top up my oil between service.
I use intake cleaner for carbon build up. Every 15,000 km
And injector cleaner every 7500 with ptfe
Thanks for review! I bought X6M50 G06, now waiting for my car from Copart :)))
Engine replacement or rebuild is GUARANTEED....... because I just got the engine of my 2016 X5 4.4 Twin Power Turbo V8 rebuild at my local BMW....it's all covered under the extended warranty...so I paid nothing other than the deductible
Great video! Thank you!! I feel a lot better now as I am getting ready to take delivery of an 2022 850i GC (N63TU3)…Whew…Thanks for the great info!
But we still love them when there in great working order! Nice vid.
Had one for over 4 years and I loved it! Worth it!
@@SimpleCarGuy Yes sir we are going on 3.5 years as well with the first N63 to run 10s in the qtr mile. Congrats sir ours has been honestly pain free knock on wood!
This video saved me thank you great video
Glad it helped
Great info! Thanks.
We would love to hear your opinion about new S68, too.
I recently bought a 2012 BMW 550I that had its engine replaced thanks to a third party warranty the previous owner took out. I am hoping to get a long life out of the engine. Any advice on what to do to keep it on the road?
I thought the first update was on the 2014+ 550i ?
Very good presentation. Thank you so much.
I have a 2014 X6 drive 50i...nothing but problems. It's in the shop right now, engine is toast (bearing rods). I took it to BMW multiple times in 2018 for excessive oil consumption and smoke out the tailpipe. They did the absolute bare minimum to comply with the CCP. The direct result is my engine failure. Multiple issues with multiple components due to the immense heat from the HOT V design. I would avoid any BMW with this engine.
Thanks for the great info. Would you buy one with 100k km? (60k miles) - looking at an m850i
The engine on my 550i 2013 locked out of nowhere all maintenance was up to date no codes on the dash so now thinking up just upgrading the turbos and getting same (v8) but more reliable engine
BMWNA replaced the engine and turbos in my 2011 X5 and I've been fine over the last 20k miles. I change the oil every 3,000 miles, and take it to redline regularly, but I don't dog it and you don't need to in order to get well above 120mph.
Downpipes, upgraded turbos and a tune are planned for the spring.
Stay away if you don't have the money for maintenance and definitely stay away if you can't warranty the vehicle....
You’re doing it right! Had the turbos replaced, changing oil often and having fun! I did the same thing in mine for 4 years and no issues. Butttt that’s not what people expect to do on a fancy luxury car..
Every 3,000 miles would be a bit annoying tho. That’s like a maintenance before and after every trip across states back and forth.
@manofsesame3024 not sure what to tell you. Oil changes are cheap and engines are expensive.
For me, that's two oil changes a year. Mine is not my daily and isn't likely ever to be, but it hasn't given me any trouble after the replacement.
Do ALPINA models, say B7 2017 and up have similar issues or does the fact ALPINA has reworked the vehicle corrected any of these?
Hey car guys, if anyone could answer. In the tech sheet of my F06 from 2012 it says my engine is N63B44B. could someone tell me which of the versions mentioned in the video is it? Thanks.
Hi, you have the N63TU engine in your F06.
@@SimpleCarGuy Heck yea. Thanks for the good news :)
I need an urgent opinion on 750 li x drive 2016 v8 biturbo. It has 130000 miles on. Any issues I shoul be aware of?
Doesn't N63 have issues with oil feed and return lines and the housing? Thats the first ones I fixed in my 2012 550.
Tengo una BMW 550i Gt año 2011y aveces se calienta y no veo coolant en el piso tampoco por las mangas pero no se calienta siempre es aveces, que podría ser
Great video!!
I have a 2013 F10 N55 looking to replace my 2nd car with another bmw I was looking at the 4 series but I think you sold me on the N63TU. I’ll be looking for a ’14-16 F10 N63
Best way to keep any and specially this engine healthy is to not rev it high when cold, use 5w-40 oil, and a lower thermostat, these run extremely too hot. BMW cooks their engines in order to get better MPGs
Great content, i have n63 original x5. Luckily small things like coolant lines and gaskets the only issue. Oil consumption is liter per 5-6000kms. Seems Europe has less issues
Thanks for letting us know! Liter per 5-6000 kms is about what I've heard from people which obviously isn't great, but not too bad to deal with!
Thank you so much for this video! I’ve been debating on trading my 2016 Taco for a more fun sportier SUV!
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching.
Is there some modification that can be done to the hood get the heat out on 650 i
Nice video, man ! I am looking at a 750x drive and it has this engine. Apparently is good to stay away. What about the 3 Liter diesel? 730d as example?
I would like to buy a bmw series 6, 650i 2015-2016. Which engine should I choose?
im lookong forward to buy a 650i and i dont want the trouble that comes with the base N63, so what i could look out for is basicly the power?
bcs u showed that the base n63 was used in the 650 from 11-17 but the second generation was first used in 2013. sorry for my english i hope its alright haha
I have a question about this car, why the engine model of the 2019 m850i I found is n63b, which is not one of the ones introduced in the video, and there is no introduction to this model of engine, why is this
N63B is the code on every 50i engine. If your car is an M850i later than 2018 it should be the Tu3.
How are they in 2024? I hear Conuner Reports is giving have reviews for BMW
Should I buy 2014 BMW X5 5.0 ??? 70K ml on it
Do you know how to fix “roof movement impaired” when I was putting the top up it stopped midway now it won’t close completely, the Windows will not go up and the trunk will not open. Thanks for anything
I am planning to buy a 2019 BMW M550i X Drive. That engine is B63TU3 or better right ?
It will be the most reliable version of N63 yet.
Would you recommend buying it ?
That’s correct, I would not worry getting that car.
Hey guys I’m looking into buying a 2018 bmw 550i xdrive it has about 61k miles and it’s a good price, I’m new into bmw so idk much should I get this car and if so what are some common know problems I should fix or upgrade as soon as I get the car
Just got a 2013 650i xdrive . 90,000 miles . Dad idea or no ?
Well done, thanks
What about new x6 50i 2022 it's reablity?
Are you sure 2012 they added the horse power or was it 2014
Hello guys does someone have experience with the BMW 650i from 2015 (coupé with 449 HP)?
excellent video thank you very much, you recommend a 2018 bmw x5 50i with 33554 Miles it would be a good option, only 1 owner services in agency
Anyone have any insight on Alpinas N63 for the 2011 B7? Any problems or things to look out for?
I’ve got the same car year and model as you. No issues at all. Alpina redesigned the heart of this engine to make it live longer. It’s got upgrades to basically everything that’s gone bad in the n63 engines. Alpina took care of it all. Just do oil change frequently for better performance 👍🏽
I'm consused about thr 650i as it seems it had the original and the TU on the same years?
im wondering too, im lookong forward to buy one
Thank you. You calm my nerves 😅.
Considering a used 2018 M550i it’s perfect for me but it won’t be my daily driver.
My dad owns a f01 leaky valve seats, crazy oil consumption and a constantly dead battery
So I’m looking at a 2020 m550i would that be a tu3 or tu2?
It can be both, you have to see what month it was manufactured and if it's LCI or not. (Pre facelift or after).
what engine is in the 2013-2018 650i gran coupe? the video says both the n63 and n63TU
Sorry for the confusion! It depended on the version of the car. The grand coupe (4 doors) had the N63TU from the start to the end, though.
So all 2013 gran coupe have the n63 tu ?
Perfect video
Hi, Roland D again and as I saud before, I just moved back to The Netherlands.
I just asked you about the 550i which I'll follow your advice.
What can you advice me on a F10 2.3 3.0 2010 at 80K miles?
Hi Roland! I'm not familiar with the 2.3 as they don't sell those here. As for the 3.0. Which 3.0 is it? What's the model? They had a couple 3 liter engines.
@@SimpleCarGuy Hey, gues what?
Tomorrow I go see a F10 550i 2017 at the dealer.
Thanking you for convincing me to wait.
Roland D/The Netherlands
@@SimpleCarGuy Good morning
Just drop all other stuff. I thought I did send you a message yesterday I closed a deal on a 2017 F10 550i.
As I go along you will hear from me.
Compliments of the season🌋
RUclips decided your comment was spam for some reason and I never saw it!
Congratulations on the car, I hope you have been enjoying it! Let me know how you like it a few weeks later now.
Why did they keep the original N63 in the 650i for so long? How can you tell if a 2013-2017 650i has a n63 or n63tu?
I believe n63TU had 450hp and n63 had 400, thats how you instantly know..
Would This Be More Reliable Than An M3 Or M6 Ive Been Looking Around And Seen A Few M3 And M6 Around 90k -85k Also Some Fairly Decent 650i Coupes And Grand Coupes I want M3 Turbo But Im Thinking Its The Same As 650i If Not I Was Just Going To Get A C6 Corvette Or Cla45 AMG
If you had a 2015 650I Gran coupe which engine is that?
N63TU
Hey man great video, thanks I'm from Chicago too. I have left a comment for your other video, not sure if you are still replying, but would appreciate your help. Getting 2016 BMW 550i with 65k miles. I never had a BMW before. First thing I will do is take it to the local BMW dealership and ask them to do diagnostic on the list of issues you mentioned in the video. Do you know what are other recommended maintenance I should do besides changing the oil every 5k miles? Thanks in advance.
Hi there! On a 2016 BMW 550i there shouldn't much more than you need to do other than change oil. If the spark plugs and coils have not been changed, I'd get those changed as well. The rest should be as needed. Congrats on an awesome car (when you get it)!
Watch out for purchasing in IL. From what I've read they have different lemon laws with titleing.
Currently looking at buying a 2012 550xi with 120,000 miles great service records all at a bmw dealership. They are selling it to me for low blue book because it's a family member. What do you think? Safe buy?
Get rid of it asap.!!!
Anything v8 before 2014/2015 is a no no.!
Trust I told you this .!!
Just the turbo alone cooks every single rubber seal in that thing and once it’s on it’s on,
Third party mechanics don’t want to do the work. It’s too labor intensive.
Dickhead BMW dealer want to charge 10k for the work , instead of charging a customer 2k because they know it’s their fault they build a shitty engine .
BMW should have replaced n63 with tu’s for all of its customers.
Care package is bullshit.! A bandaid on a bad wound .!
For anybody I’d suggest once a year.put deal conditioner in the engine drive for two weeks and then get an oil change
Which n63 engine is in the 2016 550 Drive
The 2016 BMW 550 has the N63TU engine.
thank you so much, always been afraid of N63 .. looks like still a bad engine even the latest TU3 .. I am sure they will upgrade again.. I go with my 6 in line best engine ever
Any comments on the N63M30?
I’m not familiar with the Alpina engines so I didn’t want to make any remarks.
I am guess not all n63 are twin turbo ...saying this while looking at my n63 non turbo 4.8 8 cyclinder
All N63 engines are twin turbo and are 4.4l (exception being China where it was detuned to 4.0l)
look straight to the point - do not buy bmws with this engine if you do not work on your own car
So did the US models have much more problems than the EU models
im looking at 2014 550i with 121k miles and a 2011 550i with 83k i know you should go with 2014 but is safe for me to buy if the miles is 121k there is no problems with car at all
I would definitely go with the 2014 as long as the maintenance items have been done properly. Even with higher mileage.
@@SimpleCarGuy alright yea cus I been seeing 2014 with 117k miles and 121k miles but the owners state everything been maintenance correctly
I have X5 M 2011 with only 50K miles on it but it has multiple issues including engine overheat, fuel pump, misfire, etc.
As you mentioned BMW came up originally with their "Customer Care Package" but that was years ago. Do you think they will still perform the same service after all these years if the previous owner hasn't done it yet?
Did u figure out i have same question
Have you ever heard a whistling noise?
Get an N63TU,more reliable pick
I have owned the E70 N63 since 2016 now. I can attest that it is WORST engine I have ever seen in my life. I had ALL of the issues and then more ( valve cover gaget and knock sensors). It ended up blowing up and destroying the rod bearings. I was forced to replace it with a new one because I had been left with a worthless piece of %*=÷. Dont buy it. Just dont
Real talk., that original n63 is nothing but horror
The tu is a bit better….but you still have to maintain them like babies.
Get a car with the tu3 if u can and save yourself the headaches .!
Once a year put some sort of seal conditioner in their when you 500 miles from an oil change
Nothing like a dependable AMG Mercedes!!!