Thank you for the presentation and if there was one thing you should mention here is that is the result of Parley Revival's trials to fix their Lagoon after the bulkheads revealed design and execution flaws. Build quality is vitally important and I am glad Privilege takes that seriously .
Agree that this topic was very much brought to the forefront by parlay revival but you can’t honestly think one manufacturer is going to get on RUclips and start bad mouthing another? That’s silly.
I don’t have a boat, and have no plans to buy one. But I enjoy watching Parlay Revival’s videos. I believe hat Colin has done a tremendous service for Lagoon owners. He has shown structural flaws in those boats that could cost lives if not addressed. So, I’m glad to see other catamaran manufacturers showing us how their boats are built. You are showing us the bulkheads without some poor owner having to tear up their precious and expensive catamaran to see what secrets lie hidden in darkness. These cats look amazing! You obviously are proud of your boats! I wish you continued success!
Of course they have. But few consumers really seem to understand carbon. Carbon isn't magic, it is simply stronger for a given weight than fiberglass. For most bulkheads, why would you do it? It's in a place that doesn't need more strength than glass provides, and it's in the lowest priority location for reducing weight. Carbon rigs make the most sense to lower the center of gravity. Carbon may make sense in supporting large openings or spans that simply can't be done strongly enough in glass, like a cantilevered bimini or something. But on a prioritized basis, most bulkheads will only be all carbon in an all carbon boat trying to save every last ounce. You'd get a similar effect by packing boxed wine vs. bottled, or limiting yourself to only 6 pairs of shoes etc.
@@secondstartotherightYou know what else is stronger than steel? Plain old fiberglass. Tell me again why a perfectly strong enough foam core glass bulkhead wouldn't be the last thing you upgraded to carbon?
@@secondstartotheright Cool, and I tried to explain why not. It's because foam core glass is strong enough, and any desire to save weight will be done elsewhere first. Typically higher up and/or where long spans can benefit specifically from carbon's stiffness. Roughly speaking, carbon is 5x the cost for -15% weight OR + 20% strength. That's a better investment in a mast or dagger board than it is in a bulkhead. It may be worth noting that the lagoon problem this is obviously responding to isn't because their bulkheads aren't strong enough. The lagoons just weren't fitted and attached well. Which is why that is exactly the focus of this video. If parlay revival had been made with carbon fiber bulkheads it still would have fallen apart.
@@secondstartotheright OK, enjoy yourself. Fiberglass is literally stronger than steel, pound for pound, in several aspects. If you want to argue about though, I can't help you. (Guess what is also much more brittle than steel? Carbon fiber...) Have a good night, or grab the last word, whatevers, I'm out. (Enjoy googling "is fiberglass stronger than steel" or "is carbon fiber brittle") Cheers.
3 questions: * Have you built an aluminum version of any of your boats? Explorer style? * Why not throw on a sheet or two of carbon fiber over the current side bulkheads' foam core panels? There are only two main bulkheads and the extra rigidity will save cracking throughout the whole boat over time. * When are you going to design a dry foredeck catamaran similar to the Bali/Catana line? Seawater spray equals salt and constant nuisance cleanups with freshwater washdowns. I've also seen Priviledge front lockers flood badly. Bali's 5.4 "higher above the water" design - came in fifth in the ARC Rally in 2015, so the design does not impede performance nor sea worthiness. I'm not crazy about Bali's top deck stair access (its too exposed) but otherwise it's spacious, works well, and gives you the whole boat that makes every inch usable.
The lagoon 450 bulkhead fiasco is not giving potential catamaran buyers much confidence about other boat builders are any better. I alway like the Privilege 510 and this video did answered some bulkhead concerns. Only time will tell if this construction method will hold up in real sea conditions.
Cutting a cured fiberglass sheet in it self is worst than using the lagoon style bulkheads. Edit: apparently there's no CNC cutting or whatsoever since your boards are all cut with a jigsaw as seen here 0:44 here 0:58 and here 2:03 etc.. 2. Love those finger cutting fans on the master bed, especially when it's dark and you want to shut it down. Good job!
Very Nice! -- QUESTION -- One thing we learned when looking into one production builder, that has had enormous bulkhead issues, is that they claimed to build to a standard, but when you are not watching them build it, they skip important steps. It just seems when no one is watching them, that they cut corners. This may be because of lack of care or even lack of training or skills and, maybe even a level of dishonesty. When their boats were inspected during the construction phase by independent inspectors, the construction was much better. This is a big issue. I suspect that Privilege has much tighter controls and inspections of crucial steps in construction as I have never seen a failure or deviation on those parts on the boats we looked at. My question is this: do you take pictures of the key bulkheads before they are covered up, as part of your manufacturing control function? If not, you may wish to adopt that simple step. Most modern manufacturers now take pics of key components and keep those records on file in case of claims made in the future. It is an excellent way to protect yourself and the customer.
Thanks for the comment and yes, it is an excellent suggestion. In fact, we currently take photos throughout the entire build process to document progress on the build. These photos are sent regularly to the owner while the catamaran is under construction.
This is the type of construction specified by Derek Kelsall in the 46 footer I built. Most production catamarans are basically wooden boats with a skin of fiberglass with all the attendant problems of wood in a marine environment. There was some talk about shroud tension contributing to the bulkhead problem. Have you considered shroud tension?
Excellent build quality! -- QUESTION --- We just watched this weeks episode of Parlay Revival and saw the horrible deck joint failure on that Lagoon. A factory installed line block connected to the bow deck, pulled apart the deck from the hull and lifted a three foot section clean back. This happened in only 12 knots of wind and exposed the front hull to the ocean. Turns out it was lightly glued to the hull and in several sections they had failed to apply any glue at all. Total nightmare. How does Privilege connect the deck to the hull and are they aware of the importance of keeping that joint completely attached and water proof? Parlay could have sunk had they been in an Ocean crossing. This Lagoon Cat needs to have the entire deck completely removed and reattached properly (if that is even possible).
Hi Coleen, if you've watched any of our production videos you'll see that we don't glue and screw bulkheads, they are fully glassed. This is also true for the deck and hull joint - they are glassed in and become a 'holistic' structure. It would be virtually impossible to take the deck off a Privilege in any wind conditions,
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica ..I thought so but wanted to check after watching this weeks Parlay Revival video. Their Lagoon actually had the deck peel back, at least three feet, only to discover it was glued (very poorly glued) and a few rusty screws . Such a sad builder I must say. Really sad actually. They clearly don't care.
Well you might have a cheap ass single helm but the hull and bulkhead construction is definitely up to ocean sailing. the same can't be said for some other manufacturers.
Really nice looking I must say! -- QUESTION -- I know that buildinrs have it down to a science, but how many layers of fiberglass is on each side of that foam? Is it one? On the carbon structures, is it one layer of carbon fiber per side of foam? For the paranoid among us, can we order it with more layers??
Great question and your paranoia is born out. The very thing that differentiates one yacht builder from another is rarely the thing people take any notice of at a boat show. The FRP layup methodology is critical to a well built vessel and is much more complicated than how many layers of fabric are used. We have included discussions on this subject in some of our earlier videos. Again great question.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica ...must say that the bulkheads look so nice compared to Lagoon's. Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but in my experience things that look good tend to be good. We are all taught not to think that way but rarely are neat, good looking construction methods actually bad construction methods. It is possible but I have yet to find such an example. When I saw how Lagoon put their boats together, with all that ugly adhesive gunk and very little fiberglass tabbing, I knew that it was a bad job. Your Catamaran construction looks amazing. Still not sure how many layers are on it but I am confident that there are enough.
I was at the Southampton boat show recently, when I asked one of the French manufacturers why they used balsa I was told that it was more environmentally friendly and that the higher end manufacturers would be forced to change in the near future. Any plans?
If I am going to buy a 50 foot catamaran for my private enjoyment, please don’t lie to me about how “environmentally friendly” I am by using balsa for the core instead of foam. I care more about safety and quality. I don’t need pretend I am doing the environment a favour.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica Ive recently been looking at Privilege catamarans and am in New Zealand. Do you know of anyone I can speak to down here about your catamarans? Also, what is the weight limitations on the dinghy davits vs cost and weight capability of the lifting/lowering platform? Keep up the great vids!!
@@BlitzkriegBop82 Your contact in NZ is Anthony Bishop with Windcraft Australia/NZ - www.teamwindcraft.com Your davit question depends on the vessel you choose. As an example, the pendular system offered on the 510 can easily manage the weight of any dinghy available that will fit. Contact Anthony and he'll be able to go into detail with you.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica absolutely agree with you in relation to fires. I’m not worried if the closed cell foam is highly flammable or not. My wife and I are still going to purchase a Privilege regardless. I was just interested to know.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica excellent, thanks. I noticed many holes through the bulkhead and was just wondering what they were for and how they would then make them watertight afterwards?
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica ok, the same cheap option used by many other builders, pity to cut corners on a critical item like that. For the electrical cables and hard walled plumbing, marine grade MCT’s would be the professional approach which are relatively cheap. For soft walled plumbing, bulkhead fittings could be used which are also relatively cheap. We see too many business these days cutting corners to save a few cents here and there that only serves to turn what would have been a great product into a cheaper product that is easily identified by the knowledgeable prospective customer. I encourage you to have the discussion with the builder to use the MCT’s and bulkhead fittings instead. Firstly they are more secure and are far more watertight (they are actually gas-tight), secondly are far better for maintenance, and thirdly are much neater which looks far more professional.
@@nuffsaid7952 very valid point. It is a shame that there are builders that choose to take the cheap option on an otherwise quality build. It is truely these little 1% indicators that are telling of the actual overall quality of a product and the possibility of other shortcuts that may have been taken that aren’t readily visible to the naked eye. It really is a case of buyer beware, and buyers should look past the spit and polish and have a sound knowledge on what to look for to recognise these 1% indicators for the actual build quality. Attention to detail when viewing a boat to purchase is critical in knowing where to look and to be able to identify these indicators to the actual quality of the product. 👍
@@tylordid2695nope wrong price, the 580 with good options goes for 2.5ml or even less ( parlay is a 450 so its 13 ft shorter ).. also you get what you payed for , people have crossed the Atlantic in barrels
@@tylordid2695 you can build your own boat on privilege website and you get to see your boat cost, try it .. it's better than spewing nonsense and random numbers
I am a fan of this Privilege guy. I am just wondering why he talked so briefly in this video wherein he talks a lot in walkthrough interviews while giving his views portion by portion of a privilege boat. Yeah I know that by making a boat in a longer process is quite expensive but considering the competition nowadays there are lots of new innovative and cost-wise other cats being produced.
There is dozen video's about almost everything, this one is about one and only one subject .. bulkheads , there is no need or point in making it long or talking about other points
This video is shorter because it’s a technical discussion about a specific topic and not an interior walk-through of an entire 50 foot catamaran. You get that right?
He was right up until he talked about TIME. TIME is simply a matter of number of employees working on a single hull at once which gets back to number of orders. Good looking Tabbed Bulkheads.
This answered so many questions specially for those who watched parlay catamaran video s
Thank you for the presentation and if there was one thing you should mention here is that is the result of Parley Revival's trials to fix their Lagoon after the bulkheads revealed design and execution flaws. Build quality is vitally important and I am glad Privilege takes that seriously .
I think prior to the reveal on Parlay Revival, I think a lot of us thought, all manufacturing of Cats was of a similar quality! We now know better!
Agree that this topic was very much brought to the forefront by parlay revival but you can’t honestly think one manufacturer is going to get on RUclips and start bad mouthing another? That’s silly.
I don’t have a boat, and have no plans to buy one. But I enjoy watching Parlay Revival’s videos. I believe hat Colin has done a tremendous service for Lagoon owners. He has shown structural flaws in those boats that could cost lives if not addressed.
So, I’m glad to see other catamaran manufacturers showing us how their boats are built. You are showing us the bulkheads without some poor owner having to tear up their precious and expensive catamaran to see what secrets lie hidden in darkness. These cats look amazing! You obviously are proud of your boats! I wish you continued success!
Great video!! Ppl are concerned about the recent discovery of Lagoon bulkheads failing.
Of course they have. But few consumers really seem to understand carbon. Carbon isn't magic, it is simply stronger for a given weight than fiberglass. For most bulkheads, why would you do it? It's in a place that doesn't need more strength than glass provides, and it's in the lowest priority location for reducing weight. Carbon rigs make the most sense to lower the center of gravity. Carbon may make sense in supporting large openings or spans that simply can't be done strongly enough in glass, like a cantilevered bimini or something. But on a prioritized basis, most bulkheads will only be all carbon in an all carbon boat trying to save every last ounce. You'd get a similar effect by packing boxed wine vs. bottled, or limiting yourself to only 6 pairs of shoes etc.
@@secondstartotherightYou know what else is stronger than steel? Plain old fiberglass. Tell me again why a perfectly strong enough foam core glass bulkhead wouldn't be the last thing you upgraded to carbon?
@@MrJhchrist I never said anything against foam core fiberglass, just suggest adding a layer of carbon fiber thats all
@@secondstartotheright Cool, and I tried to explain why not. It's because foam core glass is strong enough, and any desire to save weight will be done elsewhere first. Typically higher up and/or where long spans can benefit specifically from carbon's stiffness. Roughly speaking, carbon is 5x the cost for -15% weight OR + 20% strength. That's a better investment in a mast or dagger board than it is in a bulkhead.
It may be worth noting that the lagoon problem this is obviously responding to isn't because their bulkheads aren't strong enough. The lagoons just weren't fitted and attached well. Which is why that is exactly the focus of this video.
If parlay revival had been made with carbon fiber bulkheads it still would have fallen apart.
@@secondstartotheright OK, enjoy yourself. Fiberglass is literally stronger than steel, pound for pound, in several aspects. If you want to argue about though, I can't help you. (Guess what is also much more brittle than steel? Carbon fiber...)
Have a good night, or grab the last word, whatevers, I'm out. (Enjoy googling "is fiberglass stronger than steel" or "is carbon fiber brittle")
Cheers.
2021, the year of the bulkheads.
Exactly my thought ! 🙌😂😂 and still very interesting to follow.
3 questions:
* Have you built an aluminum version of any of your boats? Explorer style?
* Why not throw on a sheet or two of carbon fiber over the current side bulkheads' foam core panels? There are only two main bulkheads and the extra rigidity will save cracking throughout the whole boat over time.
* When are you going to design a dry foredeck catamaran similar to the Bali/Catana line? Seawater spray equals salt and constant nuisance cleanups with freshwater washdowns. I've also seen Priviledge front lockers flood badly. Bali's 5.4 "higher above the water" design - came in fifth in the ARC Rally in 2015, so the design does not impede performance nor sea worthiness. I'm not crazy about Bali's top deck stair access (its too exposed) but otherwise it's spacious, works well, and gives you the whole boat that makes every inch usable.
The lagoon 450 bulkhead fiasco is not giving potential catamaran buyers much confidence about other boat builders are any better. I alway like the Privilege 510 and this video did answered some bulkhead concerns. Only time will tell if this construction method will hold up in real sea conditions.
Cutting a cured fiberglass sheet in it self is worst than using the lagoon style bulkheads.
Edit: apparently there's no CNC cutting or whatsoever since your boards are all cut with a jigsaw as seen here 0:44 here 0:58 and here 2:03 etc..
2. Love those finger cutting fans on the master bed, especially when it's dark and you want to shut it down. Good job!
this video just had to be made. no way around it. well done Privilege.
Very Nice! -- QUESTION -- One thing we learned when looking into one production builder, that has had enormous bulkhead issues, is that they claimed to build to a standard, but when you are not watching them build it, they skip important steps. It just seems when no one is watching them, that they cut corners. This may be because of lack of care or even lack of training or skills and, maybe even a level of dishonesty. When their boats were inspected during the construction phase by independent inspectors, the construction was much better. This is a big issue. I suspect that Privilege has much tighter controls and inspections of crucial steps in construction as I have never seen a failure or deviation on those parts on the boats we looked at. My question is this: do you take pictures of the key bulkheads before they are covered up, as part of your manufacturing control function? If not, you may wish to adopt that simple step. Most modern manufacturers now take pics of key components and keep those records on file in case of claims made in the future. It is an excellent way to protect yourself and the customer.
Thanks for the comment and yes, it is an excellent suggestion. In fact, we currently take photos throughout the entire build process to document progress on the build. These photos are sent regularly to the owner while the catamaran is under construction.
love the videos, just hate the streaming quality.
This is the type of construction specified by Derek Kelsall in the 46 footer I built. Most production catamarans are basically wooden boats with a skin of fiberglass with all the attendant problems of wood in a marine environment. There was some talk about shroud tension contributing to the bulkhead problem. Have you considered shroud tension?
Excellent build quality! -- QUESTION --- We just watched this weeks episode of Parlay Revival and saw the horrible deck joint failure on that Lagoon. A factory installed line block connected to the bow deck, pulled apart the deck from the hull and lifted a three foot section clean back. This happened in only 12 knots of wind and exposed the front hull to the ocean. Turns out it was lightly glued to the hull and in several sections they had failed to apply any glue at all. Total nightmare. How does Privilege connect the deck to the hull and are they aware of the importance of keeping that joint completely attached and water proof? Parlay could have sunk had they been in an Ocean crossing. This Lagoon Cat needs to have the entire deck completely removed and reattached properly (if that is even possible).
Hi Coleen, if you've watched any of our production videos you'll see that we don't glue and screw bulkheads, they are fully glassed. This is also true for the deck and hull joint - they are glassed in and become a 'holistic' structure. It would be virtually impossible to take the deck off a Privilege in any wind conditions,
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica ..I thought so but wanted to check after watching this weeks Parlay Revival video. Their Lagoon actually had the deck peel back, at least three feet, only to discover it was glued (very poorly glued) and a few rusty screws . Such a sad builder I must say. Really sad actually. They clearly don't care.
I'm surprised to see squared inside corners on the bulkhead door openings, does that not cause a stress riser?
You only need to answer with three words; "Not Like Lagoon"
Really good detail. Thank you
No surprises why this question has come up.
Well you might have a cheap ass single helm but the hull and bulkhead construction is definitely up to ocean sailing. the same can't be said for some other manufacturers.
Really nice looking I must say! -- QUESTION -- I know that buildinrs have it down to a science, but how many layers of fiberglass is on each side of that foam? Is it one? On the carbon structures, is it one layer of carbon fiber per side of foam? For the paranoid among us, can we order it with more layers??
Great question and your paranoia is born out. The very thing that differentiates one yacht builder from another is rarely the thing people take any notice of at a boat show. The FRP layup methodology is critical to a well built vessel and is much more complicated than how many layers of fabric are used. We have included discussions on this subject in some of our earlier videos. Again great question.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica ...must say that the bulkheads look so nice compared to Lagoon's. Maybe I shouldn't admit this, but in my experience things that look good tend to be good. We are all taught not to think that way but rarely are neat, good looking construction methods actually bad construction methods. It is possible but I have yet to find such an example. When I saw how Lagoon put their boats together, with all that ugly adhesive gunk and very little fiberglass tabbing, I knew that it was a bad job. Your Catamaran construction looks amazing. Still not sure how many layers are on it but I am confident that there are enough.
I was at the Southampton boat show recently, when I asked one of the French manufacturers why they used balsa I was told that it was more environmentally friendly and that the higher end manufacturers would be forced to change in the near future. Any plans?
If I am going to buy a 50 foot catamaran for my private enjoyment, please don’t lie to me about how “environmentally friendly” I am by using balsa for the core instead of foam. I care more about safety and quality. I don’t need pretend I am doing the environment a favour.
One could say it's a Privilege to know such information.
Great video, out of interest what is the tender at the start of the video?
It seems to get a lot of attention! It's an OC Tender out of New Zealand - octenders.co.nz/
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica Ive recently been looking at Privilege catamarans and am in New Zealand. Do you know of anyone I can speak to down here about your catamarans? Also, what is the weight limitations on the dinghy davits vs cost and weight capability of the lifting/lowering platform? Keep up the great vids!!
@@BlitzkriegBop82 Your contact in NZ is Anthony Bishop with Windcraft Australia/NZ - www.teamwindcraft.com Your davit question depends on the vessel you choose. As an example, the pendular system offered on the 510 can easily manage the weight of any dinghy available that will fit. Contact Anthony and he'll be able to go into detail with you.
Hi Rob. Great video. Question for you about the close cell foam used between the fibreglass - how fire resistant is this?
This is a question best answered by Divinycell. Risk of fire is a reality no sailor should take lightly.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica absolutely agree with you in relation to fires. I’m not worried if the closed cell foam is highly flammable or not. My wife and I are still going to purchase a Privilege regardless. I was just interested to know.
Are the bulkheads between the engine compartments and main cabins watertight by specification and design?
Yes they are.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica excellent, thanks. I noticed many holes through the bulkhead and was just wondering what they were for and how they would then make them watertight afterwards?
@@nuffsaid7952 Holes are required for electrical and plumbing lines. The areas are sealed with a watertight, flexible compound.
@@PrivilegeCatamaransAmerica ok, the same cheap option used by many other builders, pity to cut corners on a critical item like that. For the electrical cables and hard walled plumbing, marine grade MCT’s would be the professional approach which are relatively cheap. For soft walled plumbing, bulkhead fittings could be used which are also relatively cheap.
We see too many business these days cutting corners to save a few cents here and there that only serves to turn what would have been a great product into a cheaper product that is easily identified by the knowledgeable prospective customer.
I encourage you to have the discussion with the builder to use the MCT’s and bulkhead fittings instead. Firstly they are more secure and are far more watertight (they are actually gas-tight), secondly are far better for maintenance, and thirdly are much neater which looks far more professional.
@@nuffsaid7952 very valid point. It is a shame that there are builders that choose to take the cheap option on an otherwise quality build. It is truely these little 1% indicators that are telling of the actual overall quality of a product and the possibility of other shortcuts that may have been taken that aren’t readily visible to the naked eye. It really is a case of buyer beware, and buyers should look past the spit and polish and have a sound knowledge on what to look for to recognise these 1% indicators for the actual build quality. Attention to detail when viewing a boat to purchase is critical in knowing where to look and to be able to identify these indicators to the actual quality of the product. 👍
good man .
Any plans for a 42 foot ?
Bit small for Privilege. maybe FP is your go-to
Its also more than double the price as Lagoon
ask Parley if that is worth it
@@alexmeyjes5533 4 million-dollar boat compared to $400,000 boat.
@@tylordid2695nope wrong price, the 580 with good options goes for 2.5ml or even less ( parlay is a 450 so its 13 ft shorter ).. also you get what you payed for , people have crossed the Atlantic in barrels
@@muumoo111 2.5 keep dreaming fully specked out is 5 mill
@@tylordid2695 you can build your own boat on privilege website and you get to see your boat cost, try it .. it's better than spewing nonsense and random numbers
I am a fan of this Privilege guy. I am just wondering why he talked so briefly in this video wherein he talks a lot in walkthrough interviews while giving his views portion by portion of a privilege boat. Yeah I know that by making a boat in a longer process is quite expensive but considering the competition nowadays there are lots of new innovative and cost-wise other cats being produced.
There is dozen video's about almost everything, this one is about one and only one subject .. bulkheads , there is no need or point in making it long or talking about other points
This video is shorter because it’s a technical discussion about a specific topic and not an interior walk-through of an entire 50 foot catamaran. You get that right?
He was right up until he talked about TIME. TIME is simply a matter of number of employees working on a single hull at once which gets back to number of orders. Good looking Tabbed Bulkheads.
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Using your competitors' troubles to promote your own product? That's just low. If I had any respect for Privelege I just lost it.
😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Not like Lagoon