it does feel like a punishemnt without frostbite proccs and 3xcritting them down, running rafm build severly punishes your singletarget dmg and ability to easily solo high dmg elites
@@freddiet8639 it's not as easy tho one single mistake and you're dead and you have to run all the way back And sometimes those mistakes aren't even your fault if like 4 mobs resist your frost nova twice after cold snap you're just dead the pull is fucked Also if you blink in the wrong time you used too much mana that mean you can't cast like 2 or 3 blizzard which is needed to kill the pack so then you just run Or you can get really really unlucky and a pack spawn when you're pulling and fucks up the whole thing So casting is easy but positing and keeping calm and deal with mistakes are really hard
I've actually turned the tides in a wpvp situatiom with this. 1 mob from ding. Start killing mob Get jumped by a horde Cc and focus horde. Low on health? Cc horde.kill mob Ding And profit 😂 Or it fails when the attacker brings iron grenades, speedpots, healingpots, free actionpots and WHATTHEFUCK NOT. You know...the aspiring rank14 geek...
All those locations are marked on your map clearly. If you have a map add on installed that shows the full map before you've explored the zone, all you have to do is look at it and you'll know where to go.
As a warlock i get multiple messages every single Day asking me if i wanna do spellcleave runs. First in SM and now in ZF. I havent done a single one and dont plan doing it...
DALE is over there getting power leveled on his 3000 dollar cookie cutter PC and what am i doing? leveling on my laptop with ruined gear. What do you think about that DALE?
Good point on frostbite... I was arguing in chat about how it’s not in the true AOE build and why; but ofc there were a few spergz wanting to fight over it. Having played gnome mage through vanilla as my first class I learned what was efficient and what was a headache. The problem that I ran into most of the time was on busy serves where the spots that didn’t have ranged/caster mobs and were melee only are taken most of the time. There are a ton of secret spots but they are hidden and usually take long travel times. But once u make those things happen it works well. I actually chose a really low pop almost dead server once just to have almost no competition and then by the time I was ready I was able to transfer out.
Sometimes we would focus groups that were green to us and we could actually get two different ranks of flamestrike early on which I think they ended up changing that. But nothing was more redeeming than getting multiple ranks of flamestrike ticking while blizzard was doing its thing. The best advice is to get on wowhead and search for melee mobs in the non popular zones. There’s usually really good spots that counter the populated zones. Sometime they’re not as dense with mobs but end up being higher efficiency since there’s no competition for mobs. Don’t forget to look at islands just off the coast to some zones... not just the Murloc camps off north of theramore. There are a ton of great spots. And when expansions come sneaking into older raids where the mobs are still green become very lucrative.
Having just hit the point where I could aoe farm this guide is great. Going over the finer points was super helpful because as others have pointed out it takes a bit of practice, lol.
@@londonw182 You get blizzard and a lot of other spells at 20, so it's a good time to start. You can aoe grind a few mobs before with frost nova, flamestrike and arcane explosion but it's a lot harder.
On wowhead they have a recommended regions for 20's/30's/40's with links to Jokerd videos as well. Personally I try to find the groups 1 to 2 levels ahead of me or the same level. Granted I'm still in my 20's, but I've encounter a lot of resists from orange mobs that can really screw up a pull. 9 times out of 10 I can get away from a bad pull if I get too reckless or greedy.
you can always flamestrike out of frost nova and follow immediately with blizzard, now the coverage of this blizzard would have to be on point, but what will happen is the flamestrike will likely unfreeze most enemies but the blizzard with slow them, adding to your combo a good direct damage but also the slowed target will walk on the burning patch left by flamestrike taking extra dot. i'm experimenting with pull, nova, fs, bliz and coc combo followed by nova and fs+bliz again.
the melee range is so busted haha its like 8yrds...makes aoe farming have a higher skill cap, not mad but just want newer players to be aware and dont expect to just crush shit right away, it takes practice and skill to be good at it and do it well :D
Does it though? Just use frost spec to slow and freeze enemies meanwhile kiteing away. Seems pretty basic tbh. I think some players just dont remember how older warcraft used to be.
@@trapsrus5611, it can be tricky for people who don't have amazing spacial awareness. Not knowing when to start running or to attack, how much distance to keep, etc.
Sadly the aoe lvl video is outdated. the blizzard slow ticks much later. makes some spots harder, other reguire perfect play, wich you wont have if you watch this to learn. Learn spellcleave. more reliable, faster and socialzing. spending 5hours straight in brd in voice with 4 randoms was so much fun
Completely argee clips dont accurately show the melee leeway either...i could pull just like Jokered n die before i can frost nova....some say use mana shield..doing this allows for only 1 blizzard and u go oom before u can finish off mobs....bottomline in actual classic you right it takes pretty much perfect play to make it worth doing, not to mention other factors.
Guys, im lvl 23 mage, i am following the talents as shown in this video, i am currently trying to aoe gnoll camps in menethil harbour (no casters in camps) but my blizzard does so little damage that by the time the mobs are close to me they still have like 2/3 of their total hp. These mobs are lvl 19-20, am i missing something here? Are these videos showing actual official blizzard servers? Have blizzard tweaked mage abilities lately?
Did anyone notice that blizzard "fixed" that? Try'd this now a lot times - its always 1-2 mob not frozen in frostnova - its looks like its no longer possible to freeze more than 3-4 mobs at the same time
This is not to persuade people to not aoe grind as mage (im doing it and having fun) but it takes a bit to get the hang of it, watched many nub mages try and fail. But I will admit it gets mind numbing at times, hours of just staying in one zone killing the same mobs. Also when layerying is removed aoe grinding wont really be as viable people / factions already fighting for AoE spots with layers.
they already put time limits on layer jumping thanks to him lol plus its pretty easy to do when your followers are feeding you silver, gold and items to get you going lol
This is all fine and dandy but GL if you're on a high pop server because the biggest issue is other people. I gave up AOE leveling because anywhere I went there was either another Mage already farming or there was a ton of other people killing quest mobs.
true, its a shit method on these super high pop servers, it only worked for jokerd because he was in like the top 0.01%, every zone he went to was empty, I checked his stream vods. As a mage you are better off going in spellcleave groups and spamming dungeons.
You're explaining all the basics. My problem is I need a guide for zones by level or dungeons. Which I haven't seen yet. Just explaining what everyone already knows about mage
I come to learn a few tips on aoe pulling to find I have been doing everything exactly the same as this to the letter just out of trial and error haha 😂 I died many times before perfecting my aoe pulls
What is with the huge delay I always get in classic before the first blizzard damage tic? Not lagging or anything, just takes like 1.5 seconds before they get damaged and slowed.
7:05 this is misleading information, due to leeway which isn't in the footage being shown , you need to be within 10 yards for arcane explosion and the mobs reach 7 yards, again because of leeway, grouping mobs tightly enough (within 3 yards) to hit them all with arcane explosions is extremely unviable. thats why jokerd almost never did arcane explosion kiting, and never did on pulls that could gib him
If you go 3/3 into IMP Blizzard, then your Cone of Cold slow will not be applied if your targets are still being affected by Blizzard. Is it me, or..? I'm pretty sure you go 2/3 into IMP Blizzard and use Cone of Cold to control the mob packs. They will NEVER hit you if you do this because Frost Nova and CoC cooldowns don't overlap, so you can always kite or CC by freezing everything in place.
I just don't agree with using this guide. It's so hard to aoe farm these spots during peak hours. Jokerd was able to use these areas because he was ahead of the leveling pack. If you notice, there's no one around him in those clips. A much more useful video would have been alternate grinding spots.
How are you upgrading your gear as you level since you aren't doing dungeons/quests to get those gear upgrades? is it all from dropped greens/blues or buying off AH? If i lvl from 35-40, my gear is going to be at 35ish when I want to transition to the new grinding spot from 40-45?
Not sure who uploaded what first but you and Kargoz are using the same videos, saying the same things in the same order almost. One of you watched the other person's guide.
from 44 to 52 you can solo AoE ZF gy (750 xp per mob at 44 / 400-500 at 51) no problem with other mages :D You can start earlier but at 44 u wont have problems killing patrol
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I forgot about Fortnite Seasons 3-6. Not gonna lie, I tried to go pro on Xbox 🤣😭 I def only played 1 hr total S8-10. They lost me. Before ow and flossnite it was Battlefield 1. Then reliving the glory days of both CSGO Halo via Halo MCC. Damn it was rough for competitive gaming for a while.
The only reason why Jokerd was able to do this is because he was ahead of the zerg and utilized layering to his advantage. If you try to farm like this now, you will have competition at every spot every single time. I have levelled from 1 to 40 and have never AoE farmed because someone is always there, and if by the grace of God no one is there... just give it a minute or two, someone will show up to ruin your fun. If you wait a few months, you might be able to do this, but until then you will have to level normally:(
No, that's incorrect, holy shit this is like the 4th comment. He leveled 1-58 completely legit and has done 1-60 on private servers multiple times.... ahead of the zerg yes, the strat is to have a good questing/aoe route to 30 something then AOE farm while you're ahead to get even more ahead so you are completely uncontested... it's part of the strat and layering isn't necessary to do it. He was so far ahead by lvl 58 he would have gotten world first WITHOUT LAYERING most likely.
@@WoWUndad Hmm, no, I commented to let people know that this method of levelling is highly popular and all spots always seem to be taken. Kindly go fuck yourself and have a nice day:)
@@serialperson4133 I am fully aware of who Jokerd is and his accomplishments within the private server scene, and while layering is not necessary, it helped him out a lot in this case. Since he was on a PVP server and also streamed his 3+ day grind, he faced a lot of trolls and griefers on his journey but would simply layer hop to a different phase if this happened and carried on farming. I am not diminishing his achievement by any means and my original comment was simply to let other watchers know that every spot Jokerd used to level is highly known and your chances of finding a free spot is next to impossible even with layering at this point.
Well, it helps to exploit the layering system by constant party jumping (an exploit Bliz is working to fix) and having an army of stooges prop you up doesn't hurt either.
@@tarb1320 yeah except he didn't, didn't get a single mob tag and only started layering into lvl 58, so all of 1-58 works? and 58-60 works, it's just slower.... why are people saying this...
Good guide. It needs to be said though that most footage in there is from private servers that don't have leeway mechanic. I've seen so many mages trying to aoe grind in classic and dying horribly because they thought it's gonna be easy. I've lvl'd to 58 by now by grinding and I can tell you it is by no means as easy as it was on private servers.
AoE grinding is amazing, BUT on herod, you can only do it at like 3AM otherwise there are 15 mages at every AoE spot. Most of these clips are people that were ahead of the lvling pack.
Frost is really good for both single target and aoe grinding but if you want to aoe grind then you have to spec for that. Since you’re a mage even if you’re not specced for single target your dps will be good enough for dungeons (up until engame).
So nervewracking doing stuff slightly similar to this on HC. Levelled a war to 60 on HC first time but when it came to mage I died 3 times before I got a char to 60.
Why does nobody say in these guides what talents to get first? Yeah it's all well and good telling us what talents to use, but if I'm level 22 how do I know exactly what I'm putting my points into and what order
Frost Tree: 1. 3/3 elemental precision 2. 2/5 imp fb or 2/2 frost warding 3. 2/2 frost nova 4. 3/3 permafrost 5. 3/3 imp blizzard 6. 1/1 cold snap 7. 1/3 piercing ice 8. 3/3 frost channeling 9. 2/2 arctic reach 10. 1/1 ice block 11. 3/3 improved cone of cold 12. 3/3 piercing ice After this its preference between finishing improved frostbolt, shatter, and ice shards. Obviously get ice barrier immediately at level 40. Once you get ice barrier go into the arcane tree: Arcane Tree: 1. 2/2 arcane subtlety 2. 3/5 arcane focus 3. 5/5 clearcasting Rest of your points are preference, I like to continue down arcane tree for improved counterspell (pvp purposes). If you don't care about pvp just throw the rest of your points into the frost tree (shatter, ice shards, improved frostbolt) Hope this helps :)
ah man, what a throwback. mages were all using layering exploits through changing groups to quickly level and then again for farming money quickly for their epic mounts. good times.
How do you do this right at level 20 when you can only have one point in imp blizzard? it feels like mobs are just too fast still. EDIT: The general principle of AOE grinding is easy enough to understand and execute, once you've got the talents and everything. The biggest hurdle to learning this tactic is the early 20s, when you first get blizzard, but can't have the max slow yet.
I personnally have this kind of build (46 already) but i think you could take over those 3 points in damage (piercing ice) because the impact will be not that much. I prefer 5 points improve arcane missile (because pvp serv and hunter OP) + arcane subtlety 2 so 13/0/37
My dude, I'm waiting on my laptop to come Thursday, and you just made it so much harder to decide which class I want to play lmao. Preist, Mage or Warrior.
So to my knowledge you cant farm murlocs anymore, half of them will cast only and its too hard to kite them. Also frost nova will not dismount you anymore you will need to make a dismount macro. The dismounts from getting hit is like 100 % ! Can anyone else confirm this for me ?
Man I just can’t seem to get the hang of this. Try as I might it feels like I’m just not doing something right. I don’t understand how he’s face tanking so many mobs without getting Insta gibbed. I have sta/int gear but when I break ice block with as many mobs as he’s showing here I damn near get killed before I can even nova and move away. Just gotta keep practicing I guess
Could anyone comment for having a frost mage talented for AOE farming / lvling / whatever, what would be a good enchant. Im currently in my early lvl 30s and have the SM dagger and orb offhand with some spell power. Would it be more beneficial to put +30 spellpower enchant on my mainhand or +22 INT. Im not sure if the coefficeint for spell power enchant is worth it for Blizzard grinding and aoe damage in general.
I gave aoe grinding a go but it really ruined the fun of the mage for me. Granted I wasn't very good, but I'm far more enjoying st frostbolt levelling now. You still rinse through mobs, especially with crits
@No you yeah i get that, but by excluding frostbite and 5/5 frostbolt + shatter you kinda limit yourself for single target. Just wasn't worth it for me
EarlZMoade that spec is hypothetical. You could just as easily aoe farm with 5 more points in Frost. as opposed to arcane. The clear cast fishing thing is retarded.
I don’t understand why people complain about layering. First they complain about questing and ads being too hard that require you to team up with other people and make friends. Now they complain about people doing the complete opposite and going into layers where there is practically nobody because they’re much better at the game than they are.
43-46 might be rough. At worst do some quests in Tanaris. From 46 if you can get a Maraudon group & get the Scepter - you can grind Borers in Mara 46-51(52).
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Make playlist of the different series. I wanted to check out the other guides and gonne have to look through all the videos
@@aquual1462 done
Question: Why not take the 'Frost warding' talent, instead of the 'Arcane Resilience'? :)
@@pabstxp yea not a bad idea, can swap over some imp frostbolt talent points to it too. get the double increased armor.
As a mage, after learning AOE grinding, killing singular mobs feels like a punishment.
it does feel like a punishemnt without frostbite proccs and 3xcritting them down, running rafm build severly punishes your singletarget dmg and ability to easily solo high dmg elites
Learning? 😂 You press like 3 buttons
@@freddiet8639 it's not as easy tho one single mistake and you're dead and you have to run all the way back
And sometimes those mistakes aren't even your fault if like 4 mobs resist your frost nova twice after cold snap you're just dead the pull is fucked
Also if you blink in the wrong time you used too much mana that mean you can't cast like 2 or 3 blizzard which is needed to kill the pack so then you just run
Or you can get really really unlucky and a pack spawn when you're pulling and fucks up the whole thing
So casting is easy but positing and keeping calm and deal with mistakes are really hard
@@sleakseal2133 i know... I have a mage 🧙♂️
@@freddiet8639 Then you shouldn't have posted a stupid ass comment. Like the one I am posting in response to your stupid comment.
area and mob level
(sorted correctly)
wetland gnolls camps 21-22
Skellingtons duskwood 23-25
worgen camps duskwood ~29
Hammerfall grunts&peons arathi -35
mirefin murlocs northern dustwallow marsh ~36
Undead Ravagers Desolace ~38
Stonevault bonesnappers - giant buzzards badlands 40~
Raptors and stalkers STV 41~
Deathstrike tarantulas swamp of sorrows 41~
Dockworkers Tanaris 45
WPL Zombies 52-54
Hearthglen 55
Where did he grind while being lvl 20 I seen him aoe farm somewhere
@@MMRRSasuke late but 14-20 is Westfall gnolls.
I just started at 23 and I'm struggling, this guide made me realize I may have neglected my gear too much. Thanks for the tips!
7:30 pro tip: just level real quick if you're running low on mana
learned this from D2
5head strats
I've actually turned the tides in a wpvp situatiom with this.
1 mob from ding.
Start killing mob
Get jumped by a horde
Cc and focus horde.
Low on health? Cc horde.kill mob
Ding
And profit 😂
Or it fails when the attacker brings iron grenades, speedpots, healingpots, free actionpots and WHATTHEFUCK NOT.
You know...the aspiring rank14 geek...
Excellent guide, it's exactly what I was looking for. As a newer player, I find your guides invaluable.
Biggest challenge to AOE grinding, other people.
and resist :D
i wish for me it's the walk back after i eat dirt.
the armor repairs
AllegedPhilo lol mad
@AllegedPhilo you're just mad because you suck at WoW lol
For people wanting to know Joker's actual build, you can find it here: on-winning.com/jokerd-mage-aoe-leveling-guide-talents-spec-addons-wow-classic/
Clear, concise and to the point with nuances of importance
For the farming spots, atleast coordinates or even better shown on the map would have been great. Otherwise great video.
Yeah next time you go shopping ask him for the supplyer
All those locations are marked on your map clearly. If you have a map add on installed that shows the full map before you've explored the zone, all you have to do is look at it and you'll know where to go.
Just started AOE grinding, thx for the upload bro!
Probably the best guide for this ngl . 10/10
Mage/Lock AOE speed levelling is the Chuck Norris meme of Classic. Chat is effing drowning in it.
As a warlock i get multiple messages every single Day asking me if i wanna do spellcleave runs. First in SM and now in ZF. I havent done a single one and dont plan doing it...
@@cooper1101 I have done the dungeons and got great gear. I just do it with normal groups instead of those cleave groups
Probably they dont kill boss just mobs and reset that is my guess
@@elitestar I just dont like it. Why not just play retail if you play to level as fast as possible and dont care about the content at all
@@juandeag5194 Because classic raiding and endgame is way better and the leveling is monotonous as hell.
8:36 tops left. Lenny from the delray delinquents.
how about that dale
IT PISS IT SICK
DALE is over there getting power leveled on his 3000 dollar cookie cutter PC and what am i doing? leveling on my laptop with ruined gear. What do you think about that DALE?
4:50
nice
I like how you don't mark the locations on the map
lmao
Right
Good point on frostbite... I was arguing in chat about how it’s not in the true AOE build and why; but ofc there were a few spergz wanting to fight over it. Having played gnome mage through vanilla as my first class I learned what was efficient and what was a headache.
The problem that I ran into most of the time was on busy serves where the spots that didn’t have ranged/caster mobs and were melee only are taken most of the time. There are a ton of secret spots but they are hidden and usually take long travel times. But once u make those things happen it works well.
I actually chose a really low pop almost dead server once just to have almost no competition and then by the time I was ready I was able to transfer out.
Sometimes we would focus groups that were green to us and we could actually get two different ranks of flamestrike early on which I think they ended up changing that. But nothing was more redeeming than getting multiple ranks of flamestrike ticking while blizzard was doing its thing.
The best advice is to get on wowhead and search for melee mobs in the non popular zones. There’s usually really good spots that counter the populated zones. Sometime they’re not as dense with mobs but end up being higher efficiency since there’s no competition for mobs. Don’t forget to look at islands just off the coast to some zones... not just the Murloc camps off north of theramore. There are a ton of great spots. And when expansions come sneaking into older raids where the mobs are still green become very lucrative.
Having just hit the point where I could aoe farm this guide is great. Going over the finer points was super helpful because as others have pointed out it takes a bit of practice, lol.
Jon Johnston what level did you start AoE? Seems like around 20 this method would start to work?
@@londonw182 You get blizzard and a lot of other spells at 20, so it's a good time to start. You can aoe grind a few mobs before with frost nova, flamestrike and arcane explosion but it's a lot harder.
@@londonw182
I started at level 14. Get 2-4 mobs, Nova then AE just out of reach of them and they drop really fast.
Would be nice to see which lvl you should be per different spot
On wowhead they have a recommended regions for 20's/30's/40's with links to Jokerd videos as well. Personally I try to find the groups 1 to 2 levels ahead of me or the same level.
Granted I'm still in my 20's, but I've encounter a lot of resists from orange mobs that can really screw up a pull. 9 times out of 10 I can get away from a bad pull if I get too reckless or greedy.
you can always flamestrike out of frost nova and follow immediately with blizzard, now the coverage of this blizzard would have to be on point, but what will happen is the flamestrike will likely unfreeze most enemies but the blizzard with slow them, adding to your combo a good direct damage but also the slowed target will walk on the burning patch left by flamestrike taking extra dot. i'm experimenting with pull, nova, fs, bliz and coc combo followed by nova and fs+bliz again.
that random square of usless picture is blocking the skills your using wish i could see kinda triggering
Scarecrow If you can’t tell what spells he’s casting from watching his character then just don’t bother with this
^^^^ win.
Wtf dude gif gut it’s literally 3 spells
what addon is the one shown at 7:27 where it tracks the duration of your debuff on the right side?
TheUnderPantsMan101 I think it’s Quartz
Could be weak auras, omnicc+classicaura or nugrunning (I prefer this, easy setup and looks very similar to what you see in the video)
It was Chronometer. But thats on Elysium 1.12 server. Might have to look for an alternative on Classic.
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Anyone know what add-on shows the bar timer right next to the player? 4:20 - Thanks!
Thank you for all of the videos! Loved watching all of these when wow classic first launched
Thank you. Excellent clear explanation. Thank you for the time you put I to this.
the melee range is so busted haha its like 8yrds...makes aoe farming have a higher skill cap, not mad but just want newer players to be aware and dont expect to just crush shit right away, it takes practice and skill to be good at it and do it well :D
Does it though? Just use frost spec to slow and freeze enemies meanwhile kiteing away. Seems pretty basic tbh. I think some players just dont remember how older warcraft used to be.
@@trapsrus5611, it can be tricky for people who don't have amazing spacial awareness. Not knowing when to start running or to attack, how much distance to keep, etc.
@@jackbedford-harman4589 fair enough.
Sadly the aoe lvl video is outdated. the blizzard slow ticks much later. makes some spots harder, other reguire perfect play, wich you wont have if you watch this to learn. Learn spellcleave. more reliable, faster and socialzing. spending 5hours straight in brd in voice with 4 randoms was so much fun
Completely argee clips dont accurately show the melee leeway either...i could pull just like Jokered n die before i can frost nova....some say use mana shield..doing this allows for only 1 blizzard and u go oom before u can finish off mobs....bottomline in actual classic you right it takes pretty much perfect play to make it worth doing, not to mention other factors.
When I did it back in vanilla It helped substantially when I had staff of Jordan and all sorts of enchants. Then I didn’t have to play perfectly lol
Guys, im lvl 23 mage, i am following the talents as shown in this video, i am currently trying to aoe gnoll camps in menethil harbour (no casters in camps) but my blizzard does so little damage that by the time the mobs are close to me they still have like 2/3 of their total hp. These mobs are lvl 19-20, am i missing something here? Are these videos showing actual official blizzard servers? Have blizzard tweaked mage abilities lately?
Did anyone notice that blizzard "fixed" that? Try'd this now a lot times - its always 1-2 mob not frozen in frostnova - its looks like its no longer possible to freeze more than 3-4 mobs at the same time
I'm hoping that's not true, but I'll see in a day or two when I'm in my 20's
Completely not true, how are mages still selling mass aoe runs then?
I know they did this on pre-patch for retail but I can't find any info on them doing it on classic
Having a hard time on my lvl 21 Is this true
@@supermonk-y69 Its probably just tough because you dont have all of the aoe talents yet I still dont think they have made this change.
This is not to persuade people to not aoe grind as mage (im doing it and having fun) but it takes a bit to get the hang of it, watched many nub mages try and fail. But I will admit it gets mind numbing at times, hours of just staying in one zone killing the same mobs. Also when layerying is removed aoe grinding wont really be as viable people / factions already fighting for AoE spots with layers.
they already put time limits on layer jumping thanks to him lol plus its pretty easy to do when your followers are feeding you silver, gold and items to get you going lol
what addons did u use for this?
Which Addon is showing your Cooldown timers as a bar? I’d love that
I also have been looking for this if anyone replies to you!
Heya, hopefully this might help, the one I personally use is called “TellMeWhen” downloadable via Twitch App > Mods > WoW Mods
what is the name of the addon to see the time remaining in the debuff
I have been looking for that too, looks helpful!
Hello - looks very similar to Quartz - feel free to check that out here: www.wowace.com/addons/quartz/
This is all fine and dandy but GL if you're on a high pop server because the biggest issue is other people. I gave up AOE leveling because anywhere I went there was either another Mage already farming or there was a ton of other people killing quest mobs.
true, its a shit method on these super high pop servers, it only worked for jokerd because he was in like the top 0.01%, every zone he went to was empty, I checked his stream vods. As a mage you are better off going in spellcleave groups and spamming dungeons.
@@NiceEvils For sure..after I specd to AOE and failed to find clear zones..I just spammed SM/ZF/BRD etc.
@@TuneRawkz right on man :)
You're explaining all the basics. My problem is I need a guide for zones by level or dungeons. Which I haven't seen yet. Just explaining what everyone already knows about mage
I come to learn a few tips on aoe pulling to find I have been doing everything exactly the same as this to the letter just out of trial and error haha 😂 I died many times before perfecting my aoe pulls
What is with the huge delay I always get in classic before the first blizzard damage tic? Not lagging or anything, just takes like 1.5 seconds before they get damaged and slowed.
Same
Same. That's so anoying.
Probably a dumb question, but how do I stop mobs from resetting during round up? Just pop an arcane explosion to keep them interested?
7:05 this is misleading information, due to leeway which isn't in the footage being shown , you need to be within 10 yards for arcane explosion and the mobs reach 7 yards, again because of leeway, grouping mobs tightly enough (within 3 yards) to hit them all with arcane explosions is extremely unviable. thats why jokerd almost never did arcane explosion kiting, and never did on pulls that could gib him
At 4:04 can u guys tell me which addon list the cooldown on the right of the character plz ?
What is the name of the add-on that shows the debuff timers?
weakauras classic for debuff on targets and omniCC for the duration of the aura's
Is decursive not a thing anymore?
Any Horde suggestions for the early stages? Don't really think going to Duskwood and Wetlands is very viable at level 20 something on a PvP server.
Stephen Zerbe probabaly quillboar camps in the barrens there's tons of them and very dense with varying levels of camps
Stephen Zerbe oh but I forgot they have casters.. hmm the goblins in northeastern barrens probably good then as well as lion packs
I New you would make it bro keep the good work up
Alot of these early spots were really only ally specific, any suggestions for Horde farming? I really only know of the farmers in hillsbrad
don't bother aoe leveling atm, all spots are full and ur exp/h will not be better or only the same as questing
@No you that's what i am doing :D level 40 with mount already next goal 60
@@stanislavangelov1179 Doesn't that depend on server? Or are all just full?
How to level as a level 60
Sorry for this question, what addon do you use for the cast bar?
If you go 3/3 into IMP Blizzard, then your Cone of Cold slow will not be applied if your targets are still being affected by Blizzard. Is it me, or..? I'm pretty sure you go 2/3 into IMP Blizzard and use Cone of Cold to control the mob packs. They will NEVER hit you if you do this because Frost Nova and CoC cooldowns don't overlap, so you can always kite or CC by freezing everything in place.
I just don't agree with using this guide. It's so hard to aoe farm these spots during peak hours. Jokerd was able to use these areas because he was ahead of the leveling pack. If you notice, there's no one around him in those clips. A much more useful video would have been alternate grinding spots.
this guide is pretty useless
Great video dude!
How are you upgrading your gear as you level since you aren't doing dungeons/quests to get those gear upgrades? is it all from dropped greens/blues or buying off AH? If i lvl from 35-40, my gear is going to be at 35ish when I want to transition to the new grinding spot from 40-45?
Not sure who uploaded what first but you and Kargoz are using the same videos, saying the same things in the same order almost.
One of you watched the other person's guide.
Great vid, Punkrat
from 44 to 52 you can solo AoE ZF gy (750 xp per mob at 44 / 400-500 at 51) no problem with other mages :D
You can start earlier but at 44 u wont have problems killing patrol
Nice Tipps mate
Aoe farming with Flamestrike involves Ignite+Shatter, so remember to respec if you wanna try this, or you will be severely gimped while farming :P
This is super good but I didn’t see you mention jumping while frost nova and arcane explosion to increase the range via leeway
In the video towards the end what arson was that mage using where it actually said *clearcasting* across the screen?
Job has wanted me to work harder than ever at a time when I ACTUALLY wanna game. Haven't went hard on a game since Overwatch. I stopped OW when they changed Mercy.
But the big project is done. Time to game, boys.
Rival lets Get it
I forgot about Fortnite Seasons 3-6. Not gonna lie, I tried to go pro on Xbox 🤣😭 I def only played 1 hr total S8-10. They lost me.
Before ow and flossnite it was Battlefield 1. Then reliving the glory days of both CSGO Halo via Halo MCC. Damn it was rough for competitive gaming for a while.
@@djcezcez8120 Yupp
Why would you put 5/5 into frostbolt?
The only reason why Jokerd was able to do this is because he was ahead of the zerg and utilized layering to his advantage. If you try to farm like this now, you will have competition at every spot every single time. I have levelled from 1 to 40 and have never AoE farmed because someone is always there, and if by the grace of God no one is there... just give it a minute or two, someone will show up to ruin your fun. If you wait a few months, you might be able to do this, but until then you will have to level normally:(
The only reason you comment is to make yourself feel better about not finding a non obvious crowded spot
No, that's incorrect, holy shit this is like the 4th comment. He leveled 1-58 completely legit and has done 1-60 on private servers multiple times.... ahead of the zerg yes, the strat is to have a good questing/aoe route to 30 something then AOE farm while you're ahead to get even more ahead so you are completely uncontested... it's part of the strat and layering isn't necessary to do it. He was so far ahead by lvl 58 he would have gotten world first WITHOUT LAYERING most likely.
@@WoWUndad Hmm, no, I commented to let people know that this method of levelling is highly popular and all spots always seem to be taken. Kindly go fuck yourself and have a nice day:)
@@serialperson4133 I am fully aware of who Jokerd is and his accomplishments within the private server scene, and while layering is not necessary, it helped him out a lot in this case. Since he was on a PVP server and also streamed his 3+ day grind, he faced a lot of trolls and griefers on his journey but would simply layer hop to a different phase if this happened and carried on farming. I am not diminishing his achievement by any means and my original comment was simply to let other watchers know that every spot Jokerd used to level is highly known and your chances of finding a free spot is next to impossible even with layering at this point.
Well, it helps to exploit the layering system by constant party jumping (an exploit Bliz is working to fix) and having an army of stooges prop you up doesn't hurt either.
Yep, that exactly how he did it, cheated.
@@tarb1320 yeah except he didn't, didn't get a single mob tag and only started layering into lvl 58, so all of 1-58 works? and 58-60 works, it's just slower.... why are people saying this...
What addons shows the duration of your active effects such as polymorph as a bar that counts down?
Classic aura durations
What Addison are you using for the cooldowns on the right of your character ?
Why are you starting a "How to level" guide with a max level build?
Thought the same thing. Trying to see tips on how to level a mage and this clickbait video teaches me nothing.
great video man
1:04 Video starts
Would frost ward be worth specking if you're body pulling?
Good guide. It needs to be said though that most footage in there is from private servers that don't have leeway mechanic. I've seen so many mages trying to aoe grind in classic and dying horribly because they thought it's gonna be easy. I've lvl'd to 58 by now by grinding and I can tell you it is by no means as easy as it was on private servers.
Mages have been skipping improved cone of cold because unless you are actually Jokerd, you get SLAMMED by melee when you get in CoC distance
Xeno Entertainment backwalking doesn’t trigger leeway. When mobs get close, just walk backwards for a second to cast coc and then strafe away
I cant undertand how that can work in low levels with how low our mana stats are
hey @Punkrat should i use cone of cold rank 2? or stick to rank one
use the highest rank, cone of cold is one of your bigger aoe dmg spells
"How to level like Jokerd"
Completely changes Joker's spec.
exactly.
What do you expect it's punkrat
Where can I find jokers spec??
still plays the exact same
@@Punkrat you should still show his build too.
AoE grinding is amazing, BUT on herod, you can only do it at like 3AM otherwise there are 15 mages at every AoE spot. Most of these clips are people that were ahead of the lvling pack.
Just ask for a random to invite you to a different layer.
@@seanbailey8545 layers have been reduced to basically 1-2 fyi
@@runek12 not from what I've seen,I've been layer hoping all day to farm mobs
frost tree good for everything? bcs i like to do instas too so just wondering what talent tree should i focus on
Frost is really good for both single target and aoe grinding but if you want to aoe grind then you have to spec for that. Since you’re a mage even if you’re not specced for single target your dps will be good enough for dungeons (up until engame).
So nervewracking doing stuff slightly similar to this on HC. Levelled a war to 60 on HC first time but when it came to mage I died 3 times before I got a char to 60.
Thanks Punk. I tried to make a toon on Faeruna (sp?), but the wait was just too crazy. GL.
Hey brother, what add-on actually tells you the timer that CoC has until the debuff is removed off an add?
it looks like weakauras to me
At what levels should I pick these talents? I.e. At what level should I drop a point in shatter? Im level 24 right now.
Why does nobody say in these guides what talents to get first? Yeah it's all well and good telling us what talents to use, but if I'm level 22 how do I know exactly what I'm putting my points into and what order
Frost Tree:
1. 3/3 elemental precision
2. 2/5 imp fb or 2/2 frost warding
3. 2/2 frost nova
4. 3/3 permafrost
5. 3/3 imp blizzard
6. 1/1 cold snap
7. 1/3 piercing ice
8. 3/3 frost channeling
9. 2/2 arctic reach
10. 1/1 ice block
11. 3/3 improved cone of cold
12. 3/3 piercing ice
After this its preference between finishing improved frostbolt, shatter, and ice shards. Obviously get ice barrier immediately at level 40. Once you get ice barrier go into the arcane tree:
Arcane Tree:
1. 2/2 arcane subtlety
2. 3/5 arcane focus
3. 5/5 clearcasting
Rest of your points are preference, I like to continue down arcane tree for improved counterspell (pvp purposes). If you don't care about pvp just throw the rest of your points into the frost tree (shatter, ice shards, improved frostbolt)
Hope this helps :)
@@khmarabroona Literally this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
@@wilson0213 np m8 good luck
I've just realized that i never had the permafrost talent... I'm level 51. I did ZF and AOE'd so much xD
What about gear that increases frost damage like the Azure set from tailoring? is stacking int and stam still better than those?
ah man, what a throwback. mages were all using layering exploits through changing groups to quickly level and then again for farming money quickly for their epic mounts. good times.
Do you plan on doing more class guides? its been helpful leveling alts
How do you do this right at level 20 when you can only have one point in imp blizzard? it feels like mobs are just too fast still.
EDIT: The general principle of AOE grinding is easy enough to understand and execute, once you've got the talents and everything. The biggest hurdle to learning this tactic is the early 20s, when you first get blizzard, but can't have the max slow yet.
I personnally have this kind of build (46 already) but i think you could take over those 3 points in damage (piercing ice) because the impact will be not that much. I prefer 5 points improve arcane missile (because pvp serv and hunter OP) + arcane subtlety 2 so 13/0/37
What addon is that where it shows the time of the slows and freezes?
Debufftimer
My dude, I'm waiting on my laptop to come Thursday, and you just made it so much harder to decide which class I want to play lmao. Preist, Mage or Warrior.
Ryan Deeter mage all day
Ryan Deeter Shaman
Same classes I'm deciding between. Lolz
all of them good
Ryan Deeter I went with a warrior.. and let me tell you what.. absolutely TERRIBLE solo lvling a warrior haha
So to my knowledge you cant farm murlocs anymore, half of them will cast only and its too hard to kite them. Also frost nova will not dismount you anymore you will need to make a dismount macro. The dismounts from getting hit is like 100 % ! Can anyone else confirm this for me ?
Man I just can’t seem to get the hang of this. Try as I might it feels like I’m just not doing something right. I don’t understand how he’s face tanking so many mobs without getting Insta gibbed. I have sta/int gear but when I break ice block with as many mobs as he’s showing here I damn near get killed before I can even nova and move away. Just gotta keep practicing I guess
Could anyone comment for having a frost mage talented for AOE farming / lvling / whatever, what would be a good enchant. Im currently in my early lvl 30s and have the SM dagger and orb offhand with some spell power. Would it be more beneficial to put +30 spellpower enchant on my mainhand or +22 INT. Im not sure if the coefficeint for spell power enchant is worth it for Blizzard grinding and aoe damage in general.
Hearth Glen has elites, also the mobs are 55 to57 and the resit and fear you, beta is not the same as classic man
So what point are you trying to make but failing to make? Lmao
you can AoE farm the elites lol
I gave aoe grinding a go but it really ruined the fun of the mage for me. Granted I wasn't very good, but I'm far more enjoying st frostbolt levelling now. You still rinse through mobs, especially with crits
@No you yeah i get that, but by excluding frostbite and 5/5 frostbolt + shatter you kinda limit yourself for single target. Just wasn't worth it for me
EarlZMoade that spec is hypothetical. You could just as easily aoe farm with 5 more points in Frost. as opposed to arcane. The clear cast fishing thing is retarded.
I don’t understand why people complain about layering. First they complain about questing and ads being too hard that require you to team up with other people and make friends. Now they complain about people doing the complete opposite and going into layers where there is practically nobody because they’re much better at the game than they are.
Prot Pally Heaven! So many spots no one lists to farm!
whats that dark but still classic ui add on?
Frost mage is so broken I love it
And for noobs
@@HM-uu9ug less qq, more pew pew
@@HM-uu9ug haha, blizzard goes brrrr
Any Alternatives to the 43-50 grind from Pirates? great spot but obviously 4 mages each layer.
why not play the game yourself instead of being pathetic and expecting someone to hold your hand!
43-46 might be rough. At worst do some quests in Tanaris. From 46 if you can get a Maraudon group & get the Scepter - you can grind Borers in Mara 46-51(52).
@@Yann4eg Thanks alot ! :)
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy I try to play the game myself thats why i layer bro
@@ErikvsLenny exactly, people like you and the video poster are cancers on the game, go back to retail loser!
Forgot to mention the part where you get leeway'd from 15 yards lol
ye this is for the private server smellyballsacks
Much better than your last mage video, and also I appreciate it NOT being such a toxic dis as that stupid gnomed video.
Is this footage all from classic wow? Or is it a mix of private server and classic footage?
mostly private server and a few clips from jokerd