You know at any time, Viv can pull the plug on the whole series and everyone will have nothing to hate about. Or rather they’ll slander her into the grave and then wonder why no one likes them.
@@estebangutierrez160 I mean, they can do that and let people cry about it. Sure the ones that are chill and enjoy the show might be sad but at this point it’s getting out of hand
Depends on how much rights they have over the Show now that they gave it to Prime they might not have complete control Fairy Oddparents is big evidence of this.
@@tbeast151 No I don't, I already see and acknowledge the problems: not giving their female characters the spotlight, plotholes , and ect. Most of the criticism I'm seeing isn't criticism, it's being a jackass
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@@EggsBenedict-te4njThey keep saying, “Oh you’ll see Viv the show will come out and Karma will rise!” I bet them four hundred thousand dollars their asses will be on their couch watching Hazbin on Amazon Prime just to Shit on it, *MARK MY WORDS!*
I may not like vivzie for her writing and character favoritism, but I will say she needs a media manager. The slander has gotten out of hand, and it's just escalating beyond normal at this point.
@CipherRage-tp5ql she's not supporting it its obviously bad. in universe the characters acknowledge its bad and those around them, its toxic on purpose for the reasons illustrated by both characters and their motivations. How she goes about it a lot of the time is very easy to rub people the wrong way, but it's evident its toxic because of self destruction, on both ends, and one of the characters is planning to take the initiative to leave it because of the fact its unhealthy and probably for the best/what he thinks the other would want. And a bad habit of his. I will say its flawed, believe me it is very flawed amongst other helluva things, but its the endgame of healing and being healthy people (at least normal people I'd hope--) as well as viv and team are cheering for, not the toxicity part. And unfortunately, and usually, you gotta trudge through mud to get to gold. TL;DR: its flawed and toxic yes, but she obviously doesn't support it. the toxicity is just an evident roadblock for the endgame.
@@acejascentExactly, if people went into analysis they'd realize we all already know, Stolas and Blitz are not in a healthy relationship right now, for reasons you would know watching the show (Blitz's Mindset holding him back + being a dick, Stolas being to giving, one sided) and since the song they'll address their relationship in the show. They're not even aware of themselves misunderstanding each other's actions, so, it's not like abuse, but it's not healthy either. So you're right
Ugh. I’m tired of all this hate being thrown her way for no reason other than people are jealous at her success of such a wonderful show. Please leave her alone and just enjoy the show. Thank you.
I half-agree since it depends on who you’re referring to. I personally think she has things to improve on when it comes to writing and should hire someone to check the writing’s consistency but that’s about it. I’ll agree some stuff she’d held up for is stupid and if it was anyone else they’d be given a pass.
I am both excited and scared for when Hazbin Hotel comes out. Excited for obvious reasons, scared because now the critics are going to have so much ammo to critic. If one pilot caused so much drama, I'm scared what an entire season will do.
I hate how some members of this fanbase have behaved towards Viv. It's perfectly fine if Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss isn't to their type of media, but that gives them no right to hate on a team who have worked so hard to give us these episodes.
exactly. me personally, i physically cant watch helluva boss because it fucks with my mental health with all the graphic stuff. but if you like it, go for it, man, it aint hurtin me none.
This is exactly what happens when you pamper and protect the very people who created cancel culture. One thing they lack is consistency and (as usual) will eat their own
@@blacknonbinarydisabledlesbian Tf you're talking about ? Noone ever pampered or protected the people that created cancel culture. That doesnt even make sense. That kind of behaviour has existed for years, it just now got a name.
@@lucky4d725 are you blind or stupid? That shit BECAUSE those idiots ARE pampered and protected from censorship, demobilization and any consequences from spreading hate, propaganda and misinformation. You forget how tf twitter was in 2019? Who tf MADE it a thing? The SAME idiots who USED IT against people who had different opinions. It may have existed prior but it was NOWHERE NEAR the scale it's at now. All because one specific group of people use it like fkin mob rule. Common sense to see and address that unless you're part of the problem
The fact that this has to happen to Viv is genuinely heartbreaking. I understand not liking something but to slander it like this is so fucking petty. I’mma tell y’all I *LOATHE* antis
Yeah the whole “why make merch of Crimson? He’s abusive and bad.” When Darth Vader brutally killed a bunch of kids and is also a messed up father as well, and he’s one of the most selling character merch items in the Star Wars. At this point I think the people complaining about Viz are just jealous that she had a show idea that was able to become a hit.
Come to think of it, how will Twitter react when they find out that many of our popular villians in media that can be described as “space Hitler” who are responsible for horrific events, are some of the most best selling action figures and toys of all time that companies make out of, and people buy, case and point, I’m waiting for my TLK Megatron figure to come. The same Megatron who caused a entire mass murder of Chicago while trying to enslave humans.
These Petty People Are not giving her series a chance just because they saw the music or the trailer until you see the full series. These guys just can wait and see or just get out the fandom She has been criticized ever since she got popular went with the company. If these people have got nothing better to do Besides Criticizing Her They need to get alive.
There’s this one nsfw artist on Twitter who seemingly tried to paint Viv in a bad light showing that Viv blocked them, with a caption that says “guess she didn’t like my art”. This artist made nsfw of Octavia, who is 17, a minor. There’s a chance you (the person reading) knows who I’m talking about, they’re kind of a more well known artist.
Even worse is that the artist didn’t bother bringing up that post and was vague about what drawing possibly set her off. Because of this, that whole post has comments hating on Viv for that.
The more days go by, the more I realize that a Tweet getting 30k or more likes means jackshit. Just because you get that many doesn’t mean your hate is justified.
That and twitter isn't even a reliable platform to gauge general audience enjoyment by any means. I've always felt that it was filled with all the kids in grade school that were borderline addicted to reading up on celebrities and such.
Now that I've had single RUclips comments go over 30k three times, it just doesn't really feel like anything to me. I feel the same tiny little boost when I get 1 like, and it's not even that much. These lonely children out there who genuinely feel like they're famous when they get 1k likes and edit their comments crying in joy are really scary to me. Social media is leading to such a bleak future!
@@de-lich-ious I heard that some people dug up dirt on her from many years ago. Which is just so petty. The things people have said to her on Twitter are so gross. It's why I don't understand why she even bothers to have an account there. Since it's known to bring out the worst in people. I really do think it would be better for her to take down her Twitter account.
@@lightning3641 yeah, I mean what is there to complain about, though there were a few EPS I didn't like, like the camper episode and seeing stars, but in fairness that doesnt make the show bad.
The fact that the chaggie pins were part of a Valentine's day collection where ALL the characters were dressed sexy. Also the voice of Sallie Mae called out the thread saying she requested for the bulge to be there and that their argument is transphobic, as it implies that trans women are not allowed to be sexy and should hide their bodies.
What's nuts is how *personal* folks are makeing their critiques, beyond the show(s) an more at Vizz herself. (An some of the VAs too) Helluva Boss/Hazbin has its flaws, an so has the company as they navigate through the growing pains an legal loopholes that is getting a new fully animated show(s) up off the ground. It's admirable to me at least that they have gotten to this point.
Oh lord not Chai again I swear they need to get a life. Like all the evidence that they have in their tweet about Viv are bs out of context screenshots or making a mountain out of a mole hill. They love to make stupid tweets on this lady Meanwhile, there are actual terrible people that has a fanbase they’ve done terrible things like Camila Cuevas.
@@Bulldozer0330 she was an undertale au creator who apparently defended her ex who cheated on her with a minor and was generally just a terrible person in general, I don’t really know the details though.
Cropped discord msgs used to be universally scorned as evidence since they are so easily faked or taken out of context. It is very troubling to see how many people would still quickly believe them if it involved hating Vivziepop.
I mean, I'm not happy that Viv kinda George Lucas'd her show to Amazon(personal writer bias, she probably had a reason) but jesus christ. VIv needs therapy and the fans need a chill pill. I wanna watch a show about horny demons without the fanbase collapsing over my ears
Sadly, this is not the reality you live in. If Viv wasn't so chronically online all the damn time, we wouldn't even be here. She needs to delete her Twitter account and touch grass.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 yk, personally idk why everyone just defaults to the touch grass argument. Liek, I go for a walk every other day or everyday, depending on if I’m having a lazy day or smth of the sort. I touch grass plenty; doesn’t change the way I am online (not saying I hate Viv or anything, honestly im rlly excited for HH n the HB eps that r coming next year, n i personally rlly like the shows)- anyways my point here is i jst dont rlly get why ppl online so quickly default to the "touch grass" argument.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 I never understood that argument. The ehole "touch grass thing" is stupid. Online is where many people's entertainment and lives lie, I could go to to park, do stuff all day, i'll still come back to same old internet at the end of it all.
@@fredericksaxton9782 "Touch grass" doesn't simply mean going outside and taking a walk. In a broader context, it's telling someone to take a step back and realize that not everything in life revolves around the internet. It means disconnecting from social media and remembering that all the buzz and gossip online doesn't really matter in the end. Some people are just so addicted to the internet and social media that they forget these things, hence the phrase.
A couple times when I commented on something i got a couple comments of people wishing that bad things would happen to Crimson and Stolas. They both got an instinct block from me because heck no.
I understand Crimson. Bros just hater for his own son. But all Stolas did was be zesty and try and resolve his Love, Family, and personal problems and now people want him on a cross.
@@DreamWaker I agree with the last part but I don’t think Crimson deserves to be told that he deserves to be killed of. It doesn’t matter how bad he is. Saying he deserves to be killed off doesn’t make anyone no better than him.
@@davinmcdonald3989 I mean, one can argue that Joker dying early on would have saved significantly more lives than whatever justice Batman tried to pull. I don't necessarily want to see Crimson die, but wouldn't really mind if they decide to kill him off.
It's because they know Viv has a bit of a reaction problem and people are taking advantage of it. They're intentionally pushing her buttons to get a reaction out of her because they think it's funny when someone they don't like gets angry or suffers.
The only reason this is getting out of hand is because everyone loves to complain about everything. I've seen similar complaints with the FNAF movie and I think that all these complaints are just ridiculous.
@@DjangoYT07 Normally that is to a movies benefit not a detriment. Not my fault the writing was atrocious. Matthew lliard was the best part of the movie but that final act should have been the entire film
Exactly, the sense of humor isn’t for everyone. But that’s why different shows *exist*, because this IS some people’s humor. If people don’t like it, just don’t watch. It’s such a simple thing people “forget” they can do just because they feel spiteful since THEY don’t like it.
@@NartSadiku-ws4ow Almost like they’re watching it specifically TO hate on it. Like, they’ve already made up their minds about the show, so now they’re just being insufferable about it. People suck sometimes.
@@EVH596 Honestly don’t know why Viv hasn’t just left Twitter Feel like being anonymous might help just a little since who knows people might start witch hunting her
As a Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fan, I'll be the first to admit that there is some actual critism you can have about the show, and Viv seems to actually listen to that. (Such as people complaining about the overuse of red in the Hazbin Hotel pilot, or when people called her out for using the R slur in the Helluva Boss pilot and in a later episode she had Blitz literally stop himself from saying it again. Showing she listens to genuine critism). But most of the "drama" comes from Vivziepop ignoring "critism" that boils down to "I don't like this show there for it's bad and if the creator refuses to pander to my taste they are awful". I can admit there are flaws if Viv's writing that I think she should improve (Which she seems to be improving as the series continues), but simply because I personally feel like Viv does in fact overuse swearing as comedy and a lot of time it falls flat (for me specifically) but I don't believe that means that she's a bad person. It means an aspect of the show isn't to my taste. Honestly like 80% of the people who critize Viv's content really need to just walk away. It comes across less like they genuinely have stuff to say and more like they refuse to mind their business. Like they can't just "not like something" and move on, they need to make sure nobody else likes it either and need to justify their dislike by saying the creator is a horrible person. Update: I watched the series on Prime and I want to back track on my comment about "swearing as comedy". For context around the beginning of Helluva Boss season 2, I stopped watching cause I lost interest. So most of what I got of Helluva Boss was from other creators. So I believe that I might have warped how I remembered the show based off of critism that I saw, which I will say is on me. She doesn't use swearing as comedy, or at least not as often as people portray her to. She doesn't use swearing as comedy, she uses it as dialog. And I feel like since when she makes jokes, and the jokes have swear words in them, people portray as the joke itself being the swearing, and not the swearing being simply dialog within the joke. I feel like adult animation has used swearing as comedy so much that people now just assume that if a cartoon swears that the writer is simply a hack that thinks the audience will go "Haha, the kid said a bad word". But Viv doesn't seem to be this way. We see this in the songs where the songs are meant to be taken seriously, yet she still swears in them. She doesn't use swearing as a crutch for poor comedy, swearing is simply how she writes dialog. Again depending on the person that can be a good, bad, or neutral thing, but I simply wanted to put in my new opinion on the matter.
What they do to justify their belief she's a horrible person is dig up dirt of her that took place so long ago, like her back then and her now would be very different people. Whatever she's done, she's grown and it does nobody good to actively search the internet for bad experiences of her. Not to mention is oh so petty. Plus, I heard some derranged Twitter user sent her something... Just god awful, to spread more hatred.
Sticking the demonetization symbol in the background during Mamon's Special made me ponder something; the amount of swearing may not just be the creators' brand of comedy for the show, but specifically to ensure it does not end up getting auto-filtered into RUclips Kids, because RUclips has a problem with animated content that isn't supposed to be for kids and is marked as "not for kids" ends up getting banished to the "For Kids" zone by RUclips's algorithm, especially stuff that doesn't make use of profanity.
Well y'all are finally seeing why no one gives a fuck about the lgbtq as a whole. A bunch of pampered entitled narcissists that WILL eat their own when their individual tastes aren't met. This is exactly the reason why saying "yes you're valid" to everyone is NEVER a good thing. People need to be told NO and stop demanding accomodations or risk harassment.
The "over use of swearing" never even registered with me, because where I'm from, that's how people talk. There's a "fuck" in every other fucking sentence. Not because there's any malicious intent, just... that's how they talk. As soon as you turn 14 you're cussing.
I usually don’t mind these people in most fandoms since they seem to be the minority. However in Vivziepop related fandoms the hate crowd makes sure to flood the fandom with their hate. It’s literally so annoying, all I want to see is some nice fan art and fanfics not “Vivzie needs to go down” kind of crap.
I love how they hate Vivziepop but then promote their crappy "art" for 15 dollars that looks like something from MSpaint in 2004. No shading, no modern techniques. Really shows this is all based on jealousy from terrible artists who never grew or got better.
@@kunju972 All of these haters keep saying their art is better, "fixing" Vivie's art, and harassing her. They hate on her art but they can get a free pass? This is absolutely about their insecurity as artists, and instead of getting better they take it out on an innocent woman. No one is obligated to like your product because you put effort into it. People only like it if its good. Real life isnt mom's fridge, if you want to be a professional artist you need to grow every single day and meet customer expectations not stagnate and expect people to come running. Every single person who hated on vivziepop was either an artist who failed out of the industry for bad work like Erin Frost, or someone like this who never had a professional career in the first place but feel they are better than her without the receipts to back it up. Just because the truth hurts doesnt make it wrong.
Unfortunately it’s difficult to find something online enjoyable nowadays, and helluvaboss has a lot of negativity and drama surrounding it. However, I’ve become very attached to the characters, and I love the way they explore how difficult it can be for some people to be vulnerable, they show that really well in Blitz.
I really like how they portray Moxxie's relationship with his father; he's clearly not accepting of him, he's _barely tolerant_ of the fact Moxxie's not straight, and that's a really relatable conflict for me.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup for me it’s Blitz problems with expressing emotion and excepting vulnerability, it’s hits so close to home for me. His guilt and fear and how much he cares about so much but expresses himself in the opposite direction is so well written.
tbh i dont even keep up with the drama, i just watch the Helluva Boss (and soon Hazbin) to support her. morons on the internet are always gonna hate on someone who has made it in life but thats all they can do, hate. watch Helluva and stream Hazbin ✌️🔥
I always loved Vivziepop as my favorite personal creator and the series, If I had a Blue Christmas without vivzie, I'll be so blue thinking about her and I'll have a blue, Blue Christmas. 😥😢🎄🎅💖
Yeah! Believe it or not but if you watch the newest episodes she’s uploaded it’s SUPER GREAT!!! The writing, the animation, everything in those episodes was PEAK awesomeness
“Oh no! A western adult show has swearing!!” It’s crazy how so many people making that point are South Park fans 💀and like the merch thing is so stupid, like bro are people not allowed to make merch of popular villain characters anymore??
Viv really needs a media manager. Whys she picking fights with small twitter accounts???????? Shes supposed to be a professional. She should grow up and act like it. Either take the criticism and improve or ignore it and get off social media
@@quentinking8469 Most of the "critics" in social media are just nobodies though, so I don't think it would spiral that far. Some people just hate you for existing, best to ignore them rather than go down that pointless rabbit hole.
I agree with this to an extent but honestly I think it's more so that twitter has just been chipping away at her over time. Like at the end of pride month she straight up went after them. I'm happy that she isn't afraid to stand up for herself but the problem is that it just gives them more ammo to hit her with.
@@kyleco9185they aren't talking about twitter "critics" they are talking about actual critics that are able to give a show its rating and most of the time know what they are talking about. Especially since the show is on prime
The biggest problem i have is the sheer amount of f bombs and other cursing. Sometimes it feels as if Vivziepop's stuff goes too far with the adult "humor" because it can, like a kid saying "look, i can curse now and no one can stop me. Look at me saying edgy adult stuff and talking about sex". That's how it can come off.
I like that though. I get so bored when all shows have ti be reserved or hold back in fear of being "too much". I want a show that's "too much" now and then. Bojack Horseman did great at bring more reserved, I love that shoe, absolute masterpiece...now I want chaos and swearing out the asshole. Just...to let loose.
I'm starting to wonder if the point of the swearing isn't necessarily because the writers think it's funny and more to stop RUclips's auto-mod algorithms from assuming any of the episodes are "For Kids" just because it's animated content - because that's an actual issue on this platform.
@@fredericksaxton9782But the amount of swearing they’re doing is the opposite of letting loose. They’re trying to hard. Like the commenter said, it sounds like a kid who’s trying way too hard to look cool or make his friends laugh by saying all the funny words. Piss and shit comedy is still comedy, but it’s not creative nor requires any skill/
The biggest problem is that it’s just lame and lazy. The characters are intended to be unlikable but she seems to think that sailor mouthed sex addicts are the only possible variation of that. The swearing also gets used as a crutch for actual jokes.
Viv has really become the new Rebecca Sugar in being a queer afab creator who is ritualistically mobbed with hate for mass entertainment and to discourage other queer creators. I think it's telling that VIV is the one receiving hate for Brandon Rogers's comedy style. Brandon can't receive this sort of harassment due to being an overtly edgy man, he doesn't fit the architype people like to destroy, even though his comedy is far more potentially objectionable. I mean, look at all the hate Goose is getting, her show and her fit the architype. I think people need to realize that social media isn't a moral space, or at least this sort of behavior isn't, this has always been a tabloid moving from person to person ripping them apart for the entertainment of the masses.
The person who was trying to have a "gotcha" moment with Viv's merch sexualizing her main sapphic couple and the only trans character that was at the forefront of any of the episodes of HB clearly doesn't pay attention, because if they were, they would see that most characters in her shows are sexualized. Almost every main character has some sexualized merch, man woman or otherwise. And the mention of it seems pretty rooted in homophobia and transphobia. Straight couples in the media are sexualized in merch all the time, including in Viv's own work (Millie and Moxxie), but because it's two women it shouldn't be treated the same way? And trying to frame Sallie May being sexualized as fetishization or something is just stupid, and implies that trans women should always hide their bodies and aren't allowed to be sexual.
I feel like a majority of the hate that Vivziepop gets is undeserved, as a lot of the "critiques" that she's getting aren't valid. there are other shows that do the same things that Vivzie does, but since she's not a company or a huge billionaire, people go after her since they have nothing better to do. She's accomplished so much and people are only focusing on the negative. It pisses me off.
2:10 ok I'm gonna talk the Sallie Mae stuff the thread talks about since I'm genderfluid and under the trans umbrella, honestly it comes off more wrong than anything. Like, Sallie Mae is a popular character despite having only a few lines, so of course they're gonna make merch of her including sexual merch cuz trust me I've seen quite a lot of people thirst over Sallie. And then complaining about her bulge being visible, not every trans person is gonna hide their birth genitals or get top/bottom surgery immediately, trans folks who are fine with keeping their birth genitals exist, there's even other factors like not having enough money for surgery or not having any safe method available to hide your birth genitals. so complaining about Sallie Mae having her bulge showing in the sexual merch just gives me really icky vibes. Like, who cares if she has a bulge or not? If a trans man has boobs and no bulge does that make them any less of a trans man? No, it doesn't. So it shouldn't be hard to comprehend the same goes for trans women with bulges. I'd understand somewhat if it was in the actual show but, the actual show shows no bulge, and this is merch intended to make her look sexy and revealing. Who the fuck cares if her bulge is showing? The only place you'll see this stuff advertised is in the community tab anyway. Honestly speaking as someone who hasn't gotten top surgery or binders, seeing people complain about a trans character having their birth genitals vaguely showing makes me feel kinda dysphoric and disheartened.
Ay, Viv does the same thing with her swear words, kinda hypocritical @@MarshieMarshWriting. Not really trying to frame it as Viv's fault, I'm just under the assumption that everyone is awful in this drama.
i cannot understand why ppl hatin a show bc of dark humor..........IT FUCKING HELL 😡🤬 i dont know, why drawn together or south park dont gettin so much hate.....those shows was even worser than hazbin/helluva (speaking of the dark humor)
@@The_Forever_Man yes I have seen every episode and it rarely strays away from sex jokes and they aren't good sex jokes either. There's no punchline and it just expects you to laugh at the blandness
Something is written by Vivzie, there's a lot of cursing, and that's le bad. Meanwhile, stuff written by Dan Harmon has more "owganic" cursing, but LOTS of dick jokes, jokes about life being meaningless, and characters with annoying high pitched voices that go "I'm mister something grose or weird, lmao!", and that's le good.
Of course there is going to be swearing, blood, 18+ stuff and gore... it's hell! What do people expect? Rainbows and candy?? How immature can people get these days?
I've seen early indie animations with more swearing and grotesque content and people didn't have a problem back then. Why is everyone so damn prudish these days?
So does the fandom, VivziePop, me, you, and everyone else involved in this tar pit of drama. I'm trying to convey... Yeah. Everyone is awful. Everyone has good points or bad points. Basically a very unideal grey area.
It's envy. People hate that she's successful, but they hate even more that she has worked for it. It's so much easier to get mad at someone for doing something with their lives than to do anything with yours
I don't really get why they are hating them for selling merchandise of crimson because he's abusive like so what, Valentino and so is Stella( to judtify stolas horrible actions as he also ignored his own daughter despite his how much he cares about her as he more focused on his romantic feelings on Blitz more than Octavia's existence.) is also on the merchandise as well so it's stupid to be mad at.
And like others have said, there’s merch of way worse characters out there and no one bats an eye, not just Helluva Boss characters, like Springtrap is one that I see getting brought up a lot here, William Afton wasn’t just an abusive father, he was a fucking serial child murderer, don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a great villain for FNAF, but if people are gonna complain about Moxxie’s dad getting his own merchandise then they should acknowledge the fact that there are worse characters out there that have merch as well.
@@katylepetsos7512 Yes, exactly like even the protagonists in the show did way worse things as they are willingly to kill innocent people without any hesitation as it shows on the murder family.
People aren't allowed to sell merch of villain characters anymore? Selling merch of villain characters and/or wanting merch of villain characters is now equivalent to approving of and promoting every action those villains ever make? I better not see anybody in an eye of sauron shirt or I'm gonna call them a facist and say they approve of genocide. Anybody who wears a Allen Yeager hoodie must also believe that slaughtering humanity is necessary
This is something I have said before Hazbin hotel is her main work helluva boss is her side story she’s more focused giving episodes then actually working on the storylines because people want them out faster than get upset when certain characters stories are not. getting them done. She’s working on two stories at once at some point where she has to delay she work on two different projects She doesn’t have all the help in she may have more writers for one of the series, but doesn’t mean they have all the time in the world working on other stuff this true or not if she has more writers or animators, they don’t have all the time in the world they keep popping out stuff real quickly especially with has Hazbin hotel coming out soon and working on helluva boss She still work on helluva hope to have four seasons well Hazbin three and the in the making of season two so yeah she has a lot things to work but does have all the time in the world no she probably overworked herself at times hell some of us act like work on two things at once is easy but not for everyone I heard someone say she end all her Series is there any time you want know she trying giving everyone what they want but she can’t do to how much she to you also forget she has a life to with friends and family
I get people don't like a vivzie series but why call them out? The concept literally takes place IN HELL, like do you expect demons to circle around the campfire and sing over the rainbow? Now, to my question is, where do you think criminals go in the afterlife after they die, because criminals don't go to heaven. All of the characters ARE DEMONS not normal peaceful citizens or angels, because of course they are going to be depicted as criminals. However, if you don't like it cuz its "problematic" just dont watch the show
i feel like Viv would end up like Jocat, to the point that if Hazbin fails and it breaks her heart on a very personal level to see it then fail, she will then post a video saying she quits and it be a depressing ending for all of us. Perhaps then Shell just give the rights all to Brandon Rodgers and tell him: "Your in charge now, my time has passed."
@@estebangutierrez160 yup. I'm not sure what Viv will do with her life if she ever retires Hazbin weather its go back to Zoophobia or retire being an artist alltogether and just hide somewhere and reset her life.
That's why I support her decision to keep saying her mind on Twitter, fuck the haters and speak to her fans. We've stuck through for years, some even since her Tumblr years, we'll stay and support her vision. Twitter hates her anyway and it never forgives nor forgets, so why should she bother pandering to them? Fuck 'em all, the show goes on and anybody actually bothering to read what she says wouldn't be mad.
They did NOT just compare Viv’s writing to Bojack. Nonono. Bojack horseman doesn’t say the f word every 30 seconds or so and uses it as a tool to show how Bojack (or Geena in Season 6) messed up big time, and cannot recover for this. Also, Bojack Horseman is more consistent with its story and doesn’t gloss over the main character’s obviously dickish moves, they remain as things he can never be forgiven for. Viv’s writing? Well Stolas got injured badly in an episode and it was made a big deal but his later appearances don’t reflect that. Conflicts are rarely if never followed through.
practically nothing could ever live up to the amazing standards that Bojack Horseman set. that being said, Helluva Boss is only a side project for Viv. she focused most of her time into Hazbin Hotel which is her MAIN show so we'll have to WAIT and see how that goes. im also a tad bit upset with the inconsistencies in helluva but ultimately i really do not care cuz i mainly watch it for the animation.
The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you. So why bother?
The only two ones that I know that are justified are the passive aggressive tweet about the TADC shitpost and the recent thing with Alastor. I'm pretty sure the rest are either only halve her fault or unwarranted. IDK I'm only some guy with a pea brain.
What a suprise! Well no. Viv should look at this things like a free advertisement and ignore mean people or answer them to generate more ads xD People fell jealous becouse having own show is most creators and artists dream.
I don't understand why there's so much hate towards a creator who does a wonderful job. I have no reason to hate her. Her shows are amazing. Her scripts are amazing. Her animations are amazing and if I had the money too I'd buy all of her merch x 3
People really don’t seem to be willing to remember the human…Viv is a person, and she doesn’t deserve to get shat on for a bit of bad language - there are so many shows that go so much harder on bad language that get none of the same shit. Yes she shouldn’t respond to it because that just feeds the troll, but she shouldn’t really have to worry about it in the first place. No-one should. I mean, I assume the people shitting on Viv are adults given that they’re even aware of the show, so maybe they could just…act like it? Maybe it’s just me, but going after a single creator like this for over a week in such a mean-spirited way seems like something edgy contrarian 13-year-olds would do.
Eh, she's also getting shat on for passive aggressive tweets, the POC drama, and the other things that unlike the first two were completely unwarranted.
@@thesamsquatch2704 Apparently VivziePop decided that using the symbols of Voodou (a closed religion mainly for black people and sorry if when I say that comes of as racist because everything is woke now) to portray EVIL, which is very offensive. Now, some people are just using this as an excuse to hate VivziePop but there are in fact people of the religion of POC who have spoken out against this.
I wouldn't know about the supposed drama if i didn't randomly come across videos like this. Are we getting all puritanical over swearing and sex now? People know there is no magic behind swearing words and adults use them all the time when not working retail
This is why, if you're a big content creator, you NEED to stay as far away as possible from the internet, especially Twitter. Ignore everything that's being thrown at you and pretend that it doesn't exist, and keep working on what you love.
“Look at them, they act like they are so above the rest of us, what an aloof shit.” Is what these people would be saying if she did. Ignore the hate or not, there is no way to ‘win’
@@MrSailing101 If they wanna bitch and cry and complain about how big content creators are "active like they're above the rest of us", then so be it. Let them cry all they want. Who cares about what some echo chamber goblins are saying when you got a massively successful franchise on your hands that is loved by MILLIONS? In Vivziepop's case, Hazbin Hotel and Hulluva Boss. Keep doing what you love, ignore them, and if they wanna cry, then let them. In comparison: Celebrities like Daft Punk managed to stay relevant and beloved for almost 30 years because they kept a low profile, and kept pumping out the music they loved making for their audience that loves listening to it. Did they have haters? Yes. Did that stop them? Hell no. They were the ones who chose to call it quits. The angry mob didn't force that choice onto them. Meanwhile, before his most recent video, Dream had been chronically on Twitter fighting with people over the controversy surrounding him instead of either ignoring it, or properly addressing it without writing an endless barrage of angry tweets. And I hope to god Vivziepop doesn't fall down that rabbit hole.
Viv needs to ignore the hate and get off of social media. The haters on the other hand need to get a life and stop hating on someone who is more successful than her. If the haters hate Viv then they can freely not watch her stuff.
Can critics NOT?! Or people stop being butts for five whole minutes or whatever. I like/ love these series! If people don’t understand on hate something just don’t go and act on it. This is when people actually fear for their lives. Why can’t everyone get along? 🥺
Well, that's because this show has attracted EVERYONE! Here's my educated guess on what happened. You see, the first season attracted the NORMIEST OF NORMIES, the INVADIEST OF ZIM FANS, and the people with VERY HIGH TASTE! ... Season 2 attracted the dream stan knock-offs, my fellow hormonal teenagers, and high-school girls. The differences and poorer quality combined with the cliches can caused a chain reaction, causing some of the OG fans to complain. The more recent fans (which are the majority) began to defend the show's newly acclaimed poor writing, causing the fan base to become what it is now. ... Oh yeah, and VivziePop somehow kept on getting into drama that fall into two categories, and two sub-categories. The she caused it and is completely her fault category, and the she caused it and it isn't her fault. The sub-categories include accidentally drawing the attention to herself and people drawing the attention to her. That's just my guess on what happened to this fandom.
One thing you need to prepare for when you put your stuff out there is that some people will love it and some people will hate it. That's just how it is.
What you say is true and understandable but the hatred is getting out of hand if people don't like to show that's perfectly but to hate on the Creator isn't cool
What's funny is that Chai seems to be a furry himself, but doesn't support stuff that is made for furries in some kind of ways. It's so hypocritical and pathetic. I had a similar experience with people who hated on my art, even tho they were furries and should've supported it. That's why I don't care about this fandom or any other fandom anymore, because they all are just full of toxic losers, who are so insecure about themselves and have nothing better to do in life than being hypocritical and hating on other peoples stuff because they are jealous.
Vivzie reminds me a lot of girls i knew growing up who were really fun to be around for about a week but their insecurities and self-loathing would slowly make the entire relationship either extremely caustic or would just implode into a kind of burnt-out emotional exhaustion
With the stuff Chai is doing, I'm starting to wonder if some of these whackjobs are just pulling a Matt Rife, and manufacturing outrage as a way to draw attention to their own crappy work.
I remember seeing a comment on insta saying “omg you live Viv? That’s awful she’s a terrible person you shouldn’t support her” and when someone asked why, they had no backup other than just saying they don’t like her, that’s really all it is, if you don’t like someone don’t interact with their stuff, it’s so simple rather than slandering and wasting time trying to find a reason to hate them istg
As much as I dont like Viv, I can understand her current situation (also helluva boss is not that bad and hazbin hotel does in fact have lots of potential). However, shes also doing it to herself by responding to the hate and giving into trolls. And I say trolls because they dont give real criticism on the actual show, and they know that if they say something they know shes gonna react especially with how shes handled actual criticism. This wouldnt be happening if she just learned to just accept this is part of being a content creator. And if you cant handle that dont be a content creator.
I don't get why people are getting all upset over her stuff. She makes stuff for Mature audiences and we're very aware of what it entails. So idk why now everyone is upset.
So...in little to barely any words, people are getting upset over something stupid that they shouldn't even be getting upset about... But seeing as the fact that this is the Internet and people enjoy the attention from others or just enjoy causing unneeded drama, this is happening anyways.. I hate seeing the Internet and the world go to sh*t, but with how people are nowadays, humanity and life itself is just continuing to plummit and go downhill 😔😕
By the thread's logic; Lesbian couples must never show attraction to one another nor express physical desires, villian merch is bad because villians are bad, and trans people who don't 100% "pass" by their standards must never be perceived
Honestly she’s so hated and there’s so much slander mixed in with the little tidbits of good criticism that they’ll just run her brand into the abyss to the point where amazon is forced to drop her show out of necessisity for their own brand. A sad but increasingly likely outcome as she’s already one of the most disliked online creators.
Yes but also no. It would be bad writing if that were the reason for everytime a character does or says something bad. I mean it is true still but at some point it's just forced.
@@quentinking8469 There is a concept called likeable villains and unlikeable villains. I don’t particularly like either of those two characters in particular though.
I don’t know what the drama is, I am not informed about anything going on. But what I know is that people really need to shut the fuck up real quick before viv will cancel season 2 due to backlash
Her art is incredible its just her ego needs a check her writing in the dhow is generally bad and ill admit the swearing joke is bloody old old but she needs to understand that these people are trying get on her nerves and she she just needs to ignore ... She has a big fan base she needs to understand that
These haters are so unaware its actually worrying. Conplaining about Moxxies dad being turned into merch when there are far worse people who've been "turned into a marketable plushie" so to speak. Palpatine, Vader, Darth Maul, Springtrap, William Afton in general, Magneto, and so on. And on people being upset at Angel being in a pron film..........hes a pornstar. One of, if if not, the most famous and successful one in Hell. Like cone on. Its like getting mad that Katie Killjoy is in a newsroom 😂
I seriously have never heard of any hate comments towards Vivzie. Even though I followed the show since the first episode of Helluva Boss. Maybe I'm just surrounded by the right community. 😊 I love you guys!
Eh, it's mostly the haters on twitter and they're nobodies really. If you don't actively try to seek out the hate surrounding Vivziepop you won't hear or read much about it. Keep surrounding yourself with those great people.
This entire video was made to cover up any of the legitimate criticism, in favor of only highlighting the unneeded hate. Sad that no one actually cares or understands.
Man we should not give drama any attention,we will fight and enjoy what we like no matter what happens,who cares what some of the haters think we will give support to the creator be the good people as best as we can and the haters can’t stop us
If that person was so upset over merch of Moxxie dad, don’t let them find out about Plushie Springtrap.
springtraps probably done way worse honestly
Dear god, they actually did it! THE BASTARDS TURNED HIM INTO A MARKETABLE PLUSHIE!
I don't really why they are mad about when Stella is there too but no one is complaining about it.
no literally straight up tho LMAO@@RedDeadSpider343
@@RedDeadSpider343 Probably because she's hot lmao
You know at any time, Viv can pull the plug on the whole series and everyone will have nothing to hate about. Or rather they’ll slander her into the grave and then wonder why no one likes them.
I think that's something that every creator of any series that they created need to remember. They can always cancel their projects.
@@estebangutierrez160If I were you, I loved Viv like the creator when it could be out of control as spiral
I guess. 😕😞
@@estebangutierrez160 I mean, they can do that and let people cry about it. Sure the ones that are chill and enjoy the show might be sad but at this point it’s getting out of hand
I won't miss it, season 2 of hellboss is like a bad omen
Depends on how much rights they have over the Show now that they gave it to Prime they might not have complete control Fairy Oddparents is big evidence of this.
Twitter is a hell of our own creation
Who "ingeniously" rebranded themselves as "X" for some reason (they should know that some of us will vandalize that name by adding two more X's😂)
@@MetroXLR99 I don't think you understand how rebranding works...
It's a sarcasm since the ingeniously has quotation marks. Of course the rebrand is stupid when it is also largely unsanctioned.
theres much worse stuff on twt than the super mild stuff explained in the video
So is your group
the fact that most of these "critics" aren't even giving criticism anymore.
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Exactly
@e92312 It's fair criticism, yes. But some of them just actively attacking the creator in the tone they use isn't fair.
They are giving criticism you just pretend the show is perfect
@@tbeast151 No I don't, I already see and acknowledge the problems: not giving their female characters the spotlight, plotholes , and ect.
Most of the criticism I'm seeing isn't criticism, it's being a jackass
@@tbeast151 They didn't say that.
It's crucial to approach criticism with a balanced perspective and consider that opinions on creative works can vary widely. Additionally, the situation may have evolved since the last update, so it's recommended to check more recent sources for the latest information.
Facts!
Hello
Didn't expect to see you here but that's pretty good advice dude.
☝️ this
@@chiirou_9 I don't think it'll matter in the end.
Usually when I don’t like something I stop watching or scroll past. I wonder why it’s so hard for these people?
Attention, jealousy, trolls, or just in general wanting to see others fail. Pretty much people thinking they’re correct in a matter unfortunately.
Twitter
@@SmartToaster4Kand people wonder why Im mysanthropic
@slimgrim3607 this is way too relatable, goddammit
Because it's EVERYWHERE-
I feel like the only reason they're doing it even more now is because they know they only have so much time to "ruin her" before the show comes out.
They can't ruin her lmfao. She got millions of support, so nah.
Exactly what I'm saying. It has happened every single time release has gotten closer.
@@EggsBenedict-te4njThey keep saying, “Oh you’ll see Viv the show will come out and Karma will rise!” I bet them four hundred thousand dollars their asses will be on their couch watching Hazbin on Amazon Prime just to Shit on it, *MARK MY WORDS!*
They’ll be hate watching like it’s Velma
@@jacksykes4680 Exactly!
I may not like vivzie for her writing and character favoritism, but I will say she needs a media manager. The slander has gotten out of hand, and it's just escalating beyond normal at this point.
@CipherRage-tp5ql So real
@CipherRage-tp5ql she's not supporting it its obviously bad. in universe the characters acknowledge its bad and those around them, its toxic on purpose for the reasons illustrated by both characters and their motivations. How she goes about it a lot of the time is very easy to rub people the wrong way, but it's evident its toxic because of self destruction, on both ends, and one of the characters is planning to take the initiative to leave it because of the fact its unhealthy and probably for the best/what he thinks the other would want. And a bad habit of his.
I will say its flawed, believe me it is very flawed amongst other helluva things, but its the endgame of healing and being healthy people (at least normal people I'd hope--) as well as viv and team are cheering for, not the toxicity part. And unfortunately, and usually, you gotta trudge through mud to get to gold.
TL;DR: its flawed and toxic yes, but she obviously doesn't support it. the toxicity is just an evident roadblock for the endgame.
@@acejascentExactly, if people went into analysis they'd realize we all already know, Stolas and Blitz are not in a healthy relationship right now, for reasons you would know watching the show (Blitz's Mindset holding him back + being a dick, Stolas being to giving, one sided) and since the song they'll address their relationship in the show. They're not even aware of themselves misunderstanding each other's actions, so, it's not like abuse, but it's not healthy either. So you're right
Why do you say that she needs a media manager?
@@jmrabinez9254 because she can't take criticism online and causes drama when other creators don't like her
Ugh. I’m tired of all this hate being thrown her way for no reason other than people are jealous at her success of such a wonderful show. Please leave her alone and just enjoy the show. Thank you.
Couldn’t agree with you more
Exactly though ,the last time the internet has bullied someone it didn't end well, it's like nobody learned
I half-agree since it depends on who you’re referring to. I personally think she has things to improve on when it comes to writing and should hire someone to check the writing’s consistency but that’s about it. I’ll agree some stuff she’d held up for is stupid and if it was anyone else they’d be given a pass.
I mean we could always do what the I.M.P does...but for free
"Jealous" as if I'd ever want to be associated with such shite lmfao
I am both excited and scared for when Hazbin Hotel comes out. Excited for obvious reasons, scared because now the critics are going to have so much ammo to critic. If one pilot caused so much drama, I'm scared what an entire season will do.
I’d hesitate to call the vast majority of these morons critics as much as just mindless trolls crying that others like things they don’t.
Ngl thats why i decided to just distance myself from most social media in general ❤
They don't even critic properly they all just slander and hate over nothing
@@gothicjinx101based 👍
I hate how some members of this fanbase have behaved towards Viv. It's perfectly fine if Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss isn't to their type of media, but that gives them no right to hate on a team who have worked so hard to give us these episodes.
Some people are generally stupid these days
exactly. me personally, i physically cant watch helluva boss because it fucks with my mental health with all the graphic stuff. but if you like it, go for it, man, it aint hurtin me none.
This is exactly what happens when you pamper and protect the very people who created cancel culture. One thing they lack is consistency and (as usual) will eat their own
@@blacknonbinarydisabledlesbian Tf you're talking about ? Noone ever pampered or protected the people that created cancel culture. That doesnt even make sense. That kind of behaviour has existed for years, it just now got a name.
@@lucky4d725 are you blind or stupid? That shit BECAUSE those idiots ARE pampered and protected from censorship, demobilization and any consequences from spreading hate, propaganda and misinformation.
You forget how tf twitter was in 2019? Who tf MADE it a thing? The SAME idiots who USED IT against people who had different opinions.
It may have existed prior but it was NOWHERE NEAR the scale it's at now. All because one specific group of people use it like fkin mob rule. Common sense to see and address that unless you're part of the problem
The fact that this has to happen to Viv is genuinely heartbreaking. I understand not liking something but to slander it like this is so fucking petty. I’mma tell y’all I *LOATHE* antis
Bro she’s a goddamn transphobe, we don’t have to support her
It's halve true and halve false. Everyone in this drama is awful (as in not really being the best). Heck, I'll admit that I'm also awful.
Yeah the whole “why make merch of Crimson? He’s abusive and bad.” When Darth Vader brutally killed a bunch of kids and is also a messed up father as well, and he’s one of the most selling character merch items in the Star Wars.
At this point I think the people complaining about Viz are just jealous that she had a show idea that was able to become a hit.
Come to think of it, how will Twitter react when they find out that many of our popular villians in media that can be described as “space Hitler” who are responsible for horrific events, are some of the most best selling action figures and toys of all time that companies make out of, and people buy, case and point, I’m waiting for my TLK Megatron figure to come. The same Megatron who caused a entire mass murder of Chicago while trying to enslave humans.
The people who complain about that are suffering from terminal liberal brainrot
These Petty People Are not giving her series a chance just because they saw the music or the trailer until you see the full series. These guys just can wait and see or just get out the fandom She has been criticized ever since she got popular went with the company. If these people have got nothing better to do Besides Criticizing Her They need to get alive.
Yeah exactly
Yeah
Exactly , it's so fucking dumb
Fr
“get alive” ?
Pretty sure the trolls are very much alive🗿
Yes use the growing hate mob to promote your stuff, that’s definitely a very smart plan.🐱
Lol
That was Devil May Cry move
There’s this one nsfw artist on Twitter who seemingly tried to paint Viv in a bad light showing that Viv blocked them, with a caption that says “guess she didn’t like my art”. This artist made nsfw of Octavia, who is 17, a minor. There’s a chance you (the person reading) knows who I’m talking about, they’re kind of a more well known artist.
Even worse is that the artist didn’t bother bringing up that post and was vague about what drawing possibly set her off. Because of this, that whole post has comments hating on Viv for that.
@RudeRabit who was it? I remember a bit about this drama but didn't the artist just made all his drawings ages 18+ years old?
@@brnleekarza8809 Inkercomics
@@brnleekarza8809Inker was the name of the artist
@@brnleekarza8809Wdym? The character is a minor, just because u say “18+” doesn’t make it okay lmfao
The more days go by, the more I realize that a Tweet getting 30k or more likes means jackshit.
Just because you get that many doesn’t mean your hate is justified.
If anything, it just reveals how many assholes on that site are willing to dogpile and insult someone or something they could just ignore.
Xitter
That and twitter isn't even a reliable platform to gauge general audience enjoyment by any means.
I've always felt that it was filled with all the kids in grade school that were borderline addicted to reading up on celebrities and such.
Now that I've had single RUclips comments go over 30k three times, it just doesn't really feel like anything to me. I feel the same tiny little boost when I get 1 like, and it's not even that much. These lonely children out there who genuinely feel like they're famous when they get 1k likes and edit their comments crying in joy are really scary to me. Social media is leading to such a bleak future!
Like the saying goes, "Great minds think alike, but fools rarely differ"
This is the reason I don't like to go on social media especially twitter.
I mean come on what did she do to deserve this
@@de-lich-ious I heard that some people dug up dirt on her from many years ago. Which is just so petty. The things people have said to her on Twitter are so gross. It's why I don't understand why she even bothers to have an account there. Since it's known to bring out the worst in people. I really do think it would be better for her to take down her Twitter account.
Exactly!! This is why people sucks! They always keep making this world very shitty.
@@lightning3641 yeah, I mean what is there to complain about, though there were a few EPS I didn't like, like the camper episode and seeing stars, but in fairness that doesnt make the show bad.
@user-qd3gv4jx2v Yeah, you're right about that.
The fact that the chaggie pins were part of a Valentine's day collection where ALL the characters were dressed sexy. Also the voice of Sallie Mae called out the thread saying she requested for the bulge to be there and that their argument is transphobic, as it implies that trans women are not allowed to be sexy and should hide their bodies.
Yes. A hundred times yes.
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And the last part is true
@@Camisanegro L name holy shit!
@@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090 W name more like
I saw a "if helluva boss was created by vivzipop" and it was just a normal clip of the show but low quality
I saw that too, and I got to say that was the most lazy meme ever 😂
i thought it was pretty hilarious
ruclips.net/video/2awM4BgVTE8/видео.htmlsi=6SdozxRjssaK_tti
OOUUUUUUUGGH
What's nuts is how *personal* folks are makeing their critiques, beyond the show(s) an more at Vizz herself. (An some of the VAs too) Helluva Boss/Hazbin has its flaws, an so has the company as they navigate through the growing pains an legal loopholes that is getting a new fully animated show(s) up off the ground. It's admirable to me at least that they have gotten to this point.
Oh lord not Chai again I swear they need to get a life. Like all the evidence that they have in their tweet about Viv are bs out of context screenshots or making a mountain out of a mole hill. They love to make stupid tweets on this lady Meanwhile, there are actual terrible people that has a fanbase they’ve done terrible things like Camila Cuevas.
And there also a disgusting fact about them….they into zoophilia stuff
who is camilla cuevas and what did they do....i've heard that name before. are they an undertale person?
@@Bulldozer0330 she was an undertale au creator who apparently defended her ex who cheated on her with a minor and was generally just a terrible person in general, I don’t really know the details though.
@@BaphyRae ooooh, yikes. ite, thanks, but...jesus
Cropped discord msgs used to be universally scorned as evidence since they are so easily faked or taken out of context. It is very troubling to see how many people would still quickly believe them if it involved hating Vivziepop.
I mean, I'm not happy that Viv kinda George Lucas'd her show to Amazon(personal writer bias, she probably had a reason) but jesus christ. VIv needs therapy and the fans need a chill pill. I wanna watch a show about horny demons without the fanbase collapsing over my ears
Sadly, this is not the reality you live in. If Viv wasn't so chronically online all the damn time, we wouldn't even be here. She needs to delete her Twitter account and touch grass.
@@nevaehhamilton3493Same for the haters fr
@@nevaehhamilton3493 yk, personally idk why everyone just defaults to the touch grass argument. Liek, I go for a walk every other day or everyday, depending on if I’m having a lazy day or smth of the sort. I touch grass plenty; doesn’t change the way I am online (not saying I hate Viv or anything, honestly im rlly excited for HH n the HB eps that r coming next year, n i personally rlly like the shows)- anyways my point here is i jst dont rlly get why ppl online so quickly default to the "touch grass" argument.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 I never understood that argument. The ehole "touch grass thing" is stupid. Online is where many people's entertainment and lives lie, I could go to to park, do stuff all day, i'll still come back to same old internet at the end of it all.
@@fredericksaxton9782 "Touch grass" doesn't simply mean going outside and taking a walk. In a broader context, it's telling someone to take a step back and realize that not everything in life revolves around the internet. It means disconnecting from social media and remembering that all the buzz and gossip online doesn't really matter in the end. Some people are just so addicted to the internet and social media that they forget these things, hence the phrase.
A couple times when I commented on something i got a couple comments of people wishing that bad things would happen to Crimson and Stolas. They both got an instinct block from me because heck no.
Bruh why does it ALWAYS HAVE to be Stolas to be the one in the wrong
I know he « Cheated » but he never deserve to be abused
I understand Crimson. Bros just hater for his own son.
But all Stolas did was be zesty and try and resolve his Love, Family, and personal problems and now people want him on a cross.
@@StarDustBunnies464 yeah i agree. That’s not fair.
@@DreamWaker I agree with the last part but I don’t think Crimson deserves to be told that he deserves to be killed of. It doesn’t matter how bad he is. Saying he deserves to be killed off doesn’t make anyone no better than him.
@@davinmcdonald3989 I mean, one can argue that Joker dying early on would have saved significantly more lives than whatever justice Batman tried to pull. I don't necessarily want to see Crimson die, but wouldn't really mind if they decide to kill him off.
I couldn’t understand why people kept hating on Vivziepop’s series and Vivienne Medrano herself,like can’t we just enjoy the series without a conflict
People are allowed to hate a certain series. I don’t understand the hate towards the creator though
It's because they know Viv has a bit of a reaction problem and people are taking advantage of it. They're intentionally pushing her buttons to get a reaction out of her because they think it's funny when someone they don't like gets angry or suffers.
She's a woman creator. That helps to fuel weirdos
Suposendly there some kind of toxic work enviroment incentivited by Vizie within Splidlehorse Studio.
@@MarshieMarshWritingHaven't you heard something called trolling?
The only reason this is getting out of hand is because everyone loves to complain about everything. I've seen similar complaints with the FNAF movie and I think that all these complaints are just ridiculous.
Bad example, the FNAF movie was hot trash made for brain dead children
@@StoogesTheTwo cut the film some slack, it took 8 years
@@DjangoYT07 Normally that is to a movies benefit not a detriment. Not my fault the writing was atrocious. Matthew lliard was the best part of the movie but that final act should have been the entire film
@@DjangoYT07didnt she lose her fucking mind when her writing was memed
@@madmonty4761 Understandably so, those memes aren't even funny.
I do find the jokes funny, but I’d understand why other people wouldn’t like them
Exactly, the sense of humor isn’t for everyone. But that’s why different shows *exist*, because this IS some people’s humor.
If people don’t like it, just don’t watch. It’s such a simple thing people “forget” they can do just because they feel spiteful since THEY don’t like it.
@@EVH596it’s like they’re forcing themselves too watch it despite not liking it
@@NartSadiku-ws4ow Almost like they’re watching it specifically TO hate on it. Like, they’ve already made up their minds about the show, so now they’re just being insufferable about it.
People suck sometimes.
@@EVH596 Honestly don’t know why Viv hasn’t just left Twitter
Feel like being anonymous might help just a little since who knows people might start witch hunting her
@@NartSadiku-ws4ow Yeah, I’ve seen lots of content creators just get rid of Twitter and vibe. Definitely seems like a good option honestly
As a Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fan, I'll be the first to admit that there is some actual critism you can have about the show, and Viv seems to actually listen to that. (Such as people complaining about the overuse of red in the Hazbin Hotel pilot, or when people called her out for using the R slur in the Helluva Boss pilot and in a later episode she had Blitz literally stop himself from saying it again. Showing she listens to genuine critism). But most of the "drama" comes from Vivziepop ignoring "critism" that boils down to "I don't like this show there for it's bad and if the creator refuses to pander to my taste they are awful".
I can admit there are flaws if Viv's writing that I think she should improve (Which she seems to be improving as the series continues), but simply because I personally feel like Viv does in fact overuse swearing as comedy and a lot of time it falls flat (for me specifically) but I don't believe that means that she's a bad person. It means an aspect of the show isn't to my taste.
Honestly like 80% of the people who critize Viv's content really need to just walk away. It comes across less like they genuinely have stuff to say and more like they refuse to mind their business. Like they can't just "not like something" and move on, they need to make sure nobody else likes it either and need to justify their dislike by saying the creator is a horrible person.
Update: I watched the series on Prime and I want to back track on my comment about "swearing as comedy". For context around the beginning of Helluva Boss season 2, I stopped watching cause I lost interest. So most of what I got of Helluva Boss was from other creators. So I believe that I might have warped how I remembered the show based off of critism that I saw, which I will say is on me. She doesn't use swearing as comedy, or at least not as often as people portray her to. She doesn't use swearing as comedy, she uses it as dialog. And I feel like since when she makes jokes, and the jokes have swear words in them, people portray as the joke itself being the swearing, and not the swearing being simply dialog within the joke. I feel like adult animation has used swearing as comedy so much that people now just assume that if a cartoon swears that the writer is simply a hack that thinks the audience will go "Haha, the kid said a bad word". But Viv doesn't seem to be this way. We see this in the songs where the songs are meant to be taken seriously, yet she still swears in them. She doesn't use swearing as a crutch for poor comedy, swearing is simply how she writes dialog. Again depending on the person that can be a good, bad, or neutral thing, but I simply wanted to put in my new opinion on the matter.
What they do to justify their belief she's a horrible person is dig up dirt of her that took place so long ago, like her back then and her now would be very different people. Whatever she's done, she's grown and it does nobody good to actively search the internet for bad experiences of her. Not to mention is oh so petty. Plus, I heard some derranged Twitter user sent her something... Just god awful, to spread more hatred.
Sticking the demonetization symbol in the background during Mamon's Special made me ponder something; the amount of swearing may not just be the creators' brand of comedy for the show, but specifically to ensure it does not end up getting auto-filtered into RUclips Kids, because RUclips has a problem with animated content that isn't supposed to be for kids and is marked as "not for kids" ends up getting banished to the "For Kids" zone by RUclips's algorithm, especially stuff that doesn't make use of profanity.
Well y'all are finally seeing why no one gives a fuck about the lgbtq as a whole. A bunch of pampered entitled narcissists that WILL eat their own when their individual tastes aren't met.
This is exactly the reason why saying "yes you're valid" to everyone is NEVER a good thing. People need to be told NO and stop demanding accomodations or risk harassment.
Pretty sure literally everyone else feels the same dude...the fans just dont wanna listen
The "over use of swearing" never even registered with me, because where I'm from, that's how people talk. There's a "fuck" in every other fucking sentence. Not because there's any malicious intent, just... that's how they talk. As soon as you turn 14 you're cussing.
I usually don’t mind these people in most fandoms since they seem to be the minority.
However in Vivziepop related fandoms the hate crowd makes sure to flood the fandom with their hate.
It’s literally so annoying, all I want to see is some nice fan art and fanfics not “Vivzie needs to go down” kind of crap.
I love how they hate Vivziepop but then promote their crappy "art" for 15 dollars that looks like something from MSpaint in 2004. No shading, no modern techniques. Really shows this is all based on jealousy from terrible artists who never grew or got better.
I support vivzie ect, But hating on someones art wont really go anywhere in the conversation imo.
@@kunju972A lot of her fans are suck-ass tumblr mites, they’ll fight for their queen till the end😂
@@kunju972But he has a point, promoting your products by shitting others is so blatant (and in this case) hypocritical
True, Made it just seem like she took the clout and ran after her big ole nothing burger of "Criticisms"@@drunkcat545
@@kunju972 All of these haters keep saying their art is better, "fixing" Vivie's art, and harassing her. They hate on her art but they can get a free pass?
This is absolutely about their insecurity as artists, and instead of getting better they take it out on an innocent woman. No one is obligated to like your product because you put effort into it. People only like it if its good. Real life isnt mom's fridge, if you want to be a professional artist you need to grow every single day and meet customer expectations not stagnate and expect people to come running.
Every single person who hated on vivziepop was either an artist who failed out of the industry for bad work like Erin Frost, or someone like this who never had a professional career in the first place but feel they are better than her without the receipts to back it up.
Just because the truth hurts doesnt make it wrong.
It’s her show guys. Let her make HER show
YES! Make your own and show us how much better it is.
Unfortunately it’s difficult to find something online enjoyable nowadays, and helluvaboss has a lot of negativity and drama surrounding it. However, I’ve become very attached to the characters, and I love the way they explore how difficult it can be for some people to be vulnerable, they show that really well in Blitz.
I really like how they portray Moxxie's relationship with his father; he's clearly not accepting of him, he's _barely tolerant_ of the fact Moxxie's not straight, and that's a really relatable conflict for me.
@@sluttyMapleSyrup for me it’s Blitz problems with expressing emotion and excepting vulnerability, it’s hits so close to home for me. His guilt and fear and how much he cares about so much but expresses himself in the opposite direction is so well written.
tbh i dont even keep up with the drama, i just watch the Helluva Boss (and soon Hazbin) to support her. morons on the internet are always gonna hate on someone who has made it in life but thats all they can do, hate. watch Helluva and stream Hazbin ✌️🔥
Same. I actively refuse to enter the fandom online or most discourse about the shows because of how pointlessly toxic most of it seems to be.
I always loved Vivziepop as my favorite personal creator and the series, If I had a Blue Christmas without vivzie,
I'll be so blue thinking about her and I'll have a blue, Blue Christmas. 😥😢🎄🎅💖
Same! She's so wonderful, Idgaf what the internet thinks of her.
Yeah! Believe it or not but if you watch the newest episodes she’s uploaded it’s SUPER GREAT!!! The writing, the animation, everything in those episodes was PEAK awesomeness
“Oh no! A western adult show has swearing!!” It’s crazy how so many people making that point are South Park fans 💀and like the merch thing is so stupid, like bro are people not allowed to make merch of popular villain characters anymore??
Viv really needs a media manager. Whys she picking fights with small twitter accounts???????? Shes supposed to be a professional. She should grow up and act like it. Either take the criticism and improve or ignore it and get off social media
She can’t do that when the show airs against tougher, mainstream critics. Her career won’t last if she does.
@@quentinking8469 Most of the "critics" in social media are just nobodies though, so I don't think it would spiral that far. Some people just hate you for existing, best to ignore them rather than go down that pointless rabbit hole.
I agree with this to an extent but honestly I think it's more so that twitter has just been chipping away at her over time. Like at the end of pride month she straight up went after them. I'm happy that she isn't afraid to stand up for herself but the problem is that it just gives them more ammo to hit her with.
@@kyleco9185they aren't talking about twitter "critics" they are talking about actual critics that are able to give a show its rating and most of the time know what they are talking about. Especially since the show is on prime
@@EggsBenedict-te4njI mean is it really standing up for yourself when you throw the same fit everyone else is throwing?
The biggest problem i have is the sheer amount of f bombs and other cursing. Sometimes it feels as if Vivziepop's stuff goes too far with the adult "humor" because it can, like a kid saying "look, i can curse now and no one can stop me. Look at me saying edgy adult stuff and talking about sex".
That's how it can come off.
I like that though. I get so bored when all shows have ti be reserved or hold back in fear of being "too much". I want a show that's "too much" now and then. Bojack Horseman did great at bring more reserved, I love that shoe, absolute masterpiece...now I want chaos and swearing out the asshole. Just...to let loose.
Yeah. Season two humor has sucked. When will we return to season 1 quality?
I'm starting to wonder if the point of the swearing isn't necessarily because the writers think it's funny and more to stop RUclips's auto-mod algorithms from assuming any of the episodes are "For Kids" just because it's animated content - because that's an actual issue on this platform.
@@fredericksaxton9782But the amount of swearing they’re doing is the opposite of letting loose. They’re trying to hard. Like the commenter said, it sounds like a kid who’s trying way too hard to look cool or make his friends laugh by saying all the funny words. Piss and shit comedy is still comedy, but it’s not creative nor requires any skill/
The biggest problem is that it’s just lame and lazy. The characters are intended to be unlikable but she seems to think that sailor mouthed sex addicts are the only possible variation of that. The swearing also gets used as a crutch for actual jokes.
Viv has really become the new Rebecca Sugar in being a queer afab creator who is ritualistically mobbed with hate for mass entertainment and to discourage other queer creators. I think it's telling that VIV is the one receiving hate for Brandon Rogers's comedy style. Brandon can't receive this sort of harassment due to being an overtly edgy man, he doesn't fit the architype people like to destroy, even though his comedy is far more potentially objectionable. I mean, look at all the hate Goose is getting, her show and her fit the architype. I think people need to realize that social media isn't a moral space, or at least this sort of behavior isn't, this has always been a tabloid moving from person to person ripping them apart for the entertainment of the masses.
Ikr, asking why merch of evil people are being sold by a show about hell has just as much stupidity as asking why bibles are given by churches.
It sucks that they’re getting so much hate because of my opinion I love the two shows it’s such a shame that people are just hating on it
To be fair the writing is lowkey bad with the swearing and comedy but the animation is top teir
Not really it’s okay
But then, the swearing Is part of the show you can't change that.
Comedy, come on everything Needs to have comedy.
True but saying the writing is bad is your opinion it’s not fact because there’s people who have different views if the writing is bad or not
I'm pretty sure Chai was outed as a creepo, so I doubt anyone is going to take him seriously.
It came out that they drew furry nsfw. While they also critiqued Vivi for furry nsfw
The person who was trying to have a "gotcha" moment with Viv's merch sexualizing her main sapphic couple and the only trans character that was at the forefront of any of the episodes of HB clearly doesn't pay attention, because if they were, they would see that most characters in her shows are sexualized. Almost every main character has some sexualized merch, man woman or otherwise. And the mention of it seems pretty rooted in homophobia and transphobia. Straight couples in the media are sexualized in merch all the time, including in Viv's own work (Millie and Moxxie), but because it's two women it shouldn't be treated the same way? And trying to frame Sallie May being sexualized as fetishization or something is just stupid, and implies that trans women should always hide their bodies and aren't allowed to be sexual.
I feel like a majority of the hate that Vivziepop gets is undeserved, as a lot of the "critiques" that she's getting aren't valid. there are other shows that do the same things that Vivzie does, but since she's not a company or a huge billionaire, people go after her since they have nothing better to do. She's accomplished so much and people are only focusing on the negative. It pisses me off.
2:10 ok I'm gonna talk the Sallie Mae stuff the thread talks about since I'm genderfluid and under the trans umbrella, honestly it comes off more wrong than anything. Like, Sallie Mae is a popular character despite having only a few lines, so of course they're gonna make merch of her including sexual merch cuz trust me I've seen quite a lot of people thirst over Sallie. And then complaining about her bulge being visible, not every trans person is gonna hide their birth genitals or get top/bottom surgery immediately, trans folks who are fine with keeping their birth genitals exist, there's even other factors like not having enough money for surgery or not having any safe method available to hide your birth genitals. so complaining about Sallie Mae having her bulge showing in the sexual merch just gives me really icky vibes. Like, who cares if she has a bulge or not? If a trans man has boobs and no bulge does that make them any less of a trans man? No, it doesn't. So it shouldn't be hard to comprehend the same goes for trans women with bulges.
I'd understand somewhat if it was in the actual show but, the actual show shows no bulge, and this is merch intended to make her look sexy and revealing. Who the fuck cares if her bulge is showing? The only place you'll see this stuff advertised is in the community tab anyway. Honestly speaking as someone who hasn't gotten top surgery or binders, seeing people complain about a trans character having their birth genitals vaguely showing makes me feel kinda dysphoric and disheartened.
People have to grow up and find something to do with their lives other than complain and hate on people online. It’s so pathetic
Well maybe we would if Viv learned to stop being so glued to her goddamn computer on a daily basis.
@@MarshieMarshWriting it's not my fault she refuses to handle a simple joke correctly
@@MarshieMarshWriting because they wanted to make her angry on purpose
Ay, Viv does the same thing with her swear words, kinda hypocritical @@MarshieMarshWriting. Not really trying to frame it as Viv's fault, I'm just under the assumption that everyone is awful in this drama.
And, not trying to say that repetitive jokes are THAT awful, it's just kinda annoying.
i cannot understand why ppl hatin a show bc of dark humor..........IT FUCKING HELL 😡🤬 i dont know, why drawn together or south park dont gettin so much hate.....those shows was even worser than hazbin/helluva (speaking of the dark humor)
Because they don't use the same joke ($ex) every episode
@@The_Forever_Man yes I have seen every episode and it rarely strays away from sex jokes and they aren't good sex jokes either. There's no punchline and it just expects you to laugh at the blandness
Something is written by Vivzie, there's a lot of cursing, and that's le bad. Meanwhile, stuff written by Dan Harmon has more "owganic" cursing, but LOTS of dick jokes, jokes about life being meaningless, and characters with annoying high pitched voices that go "I'm mister something grose or weird, lmao!", and that's le good.
One show that has the most realistic and balanced swearing would be Castlevania(Nocturne)
At least Tomb Raider Chronicles isn't written like that.
Of course there is going to be swearing, blood, 18+ stuff and gore... it's hell! What do people expect? Rainbows and candy??
How immature can people get these days?
People just wish to start drama over anything cause they don’t have anything better to do
I've seen early indie animations with more swearing and grotesque content and people didn't have a problem back then. Why is everyone so damn prudish these days?
@@kosog6584 they soft.
Nah, Actual Horror and Elegance is what I expected
The “critics” act worse the citizens of hell in the HB/HH universe. There I said it, no take-backsies.
So does the fandom, VivziePop, me, you, and everyone else involved in this tar pit of drama. I'm trying to convey... Yeah. Everyone is awful. Everyone has good points or bad points. Basically a very unideal grey area.
It's envy.
People hate that she's successful, but they hate even more that she has worked for it.
It's so much easier to get mad at someone for doing something with their lives than to do anything with yours
I don't really get why they are hating them for selling merchandise of crimson because he's abusive like so what, Valentino and so is Stella( to judtify stolas horrible actions as he also ignored his own daughter despite his how much he cares about her as he more focused on his romantic feelings on Blitz more than Octavia's existence.) is also on the merchandise as well so it's stupid to be mad at.
And like others have said, there’s merch of way worse characters out there and no one bats an eye, not just Helluva Boss characters, like Springtrap is one that I see getting brought up a lot here, William Afton wasn’t just an abusive father, he was a fucking serial child murderer, don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a great villain for FNAF, but if people are gonna complain about Moxxie’s dad getting his own merchandise then they should acknowledge the fact that there are worse characters out there that have merch as well.
@@katylepetsos7512 Yes, exactly like even the protagonists in the show did way worse things as they are willingly to kill innocent people without any hesitation as it shows on the murder family.
People aren't allowed to sell merch of villain characters anymore? Selling merch of villain characters and/or wanting merch of villain characters is now equivalent to approving of and promoting every action those villains ever make?
I better not see anybody in an eye of sauron shirt or I'm gonna call them a facist and say they approve of genocide. Anybody who wears a Allen Yeager hoodie must also believe that slaughtering humanity is necessary
This is something I have said before Hazbin hotel is her main work helluva boss is her side story she’s more focused giving episodes then actually working on the storylines because people want them out faster than get upset when certain characters stories are not. getting them done. She’s working on two stories at once at some point where she has to delay she work on two different projects She doesn’t have all the help in she may have more writers for one of the series, but doesn’t mean they have all the time in the world working on other stuff this true or not if she has more writers or animators, they don’t have all the time in the world they keep popping out stuff real quickly especially with has Hazbin hotel coming out soon and working on helluva boss
She still work on helluva hope to have four seasons well Hazbin three and the in the making of season two so yeah she has a lot things to work but does have all the time in the world no she probably overworked herself at times hell some of us act like work on two things at once is easy but not for everyone I heard someone say she end all her Series is there any time you want know she trying giving everyone what they want but she can’t do to how much she to you also forget she has a life to with friends and family
I get people don't like a vivzie series but why call them out? The concept literally takes place IN HELL, like do you expect demons to circle around the campfire and sing over the rainbow?
Now, to my question is, where do you think criminals go in the afterlife after they die, because criminals don't go to heaven.
All of the characters ARE DEMONS not normal peaceful citizens or angels, because of course they are going to be depicted as criminals.
However, if you don't like it cuz its "problematic" just dont watch the show
i feel like Viv would end up like Jocat, to the point that if Hazbin fails and it breaks her heart on a very personal level to see it then fail, she will then post a video saying she quits and it be a depressing ending for all of us. Perhaps then Shell just give the rights all to Brandon Rodgers and tell him: "Your in charge now, my time has passed."
I'm sure Brandon Rogers could do it since he has made his own series before.
@@estebangutierrez160 yup.
I'm not sure what Viv will do with her life if she ever retires Hazbin weather its go back to Zoophobia or retire being an artist alltogether and just hide somewhere and reset her life.
@@abstraction6212 Wouldn't blame her if she did. Her "critics" are like a disgusting infection that just won't go away
That's why I support her decision to keep saying her mind on Twitter, fuck the haters and speak to her fans. We've stuck through for years, some even since her Tumblr years, we'll stay and support her vision. Twitter hates her anyway and it never forgives nor forgets, so why should she bother pandering to them? Fuck 'em all, the show goes on and anybody actually bothering to read what she says wouldn't be mad.
What's is the word Jocat stands for?
These people should leave her alone
Not unless if Viv leaves us alone first!!!
@@nevaehhamilton3493 She did nothing to you!
@loyal_moxxie I feel really bad for her. Having to deal with this drama that ignorant people never shut up about.
@@nevaehhamilton3493my brother in Christ you need to leave the poor women alone
They did NOT just compare Viv’s writing to Bojack. Nonono. Bojack horseman doesn’t say the f word every 30 seconds or so and uses it as a tool to show how Bojack (or Geena in Season 6) messed up big time, and cannot recover for this. Also, Bojack Horseman is more consistent with its story and doesn’t gloss over the main character’s obviously dickish moves, they remain as things he can never be forgiven for. Viv’s writing? Well Stolas got injured badly in an episode and it was made a big deal but his later appearances don’t reflect that. Conflicts are rarely if never followed through.
practically nothing could ever live up to the amazing standards that Bojack Horseman set. that being said, Helluva Boss is only a side project for Viv. she focused most of her time into Hazbin Hotel which is her MAIN show so we'll have to WAIT and see how that goes. im also a tad bit upset with the inconsistencies in helluva but ultimately i really do not care cuz i mainly watch it for the animation.
@@ssybayob yeah, the animation is good as always, but I really miss when it was more fluid, kinda like the hazbin pilot
Who's gonna tell them that one of those charlie and vaggie pins (the one on the right) is literally a lesbian meme picture just redone with those two?
wait thats actually so funny lol
The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you. So why bother?
I would very much like to go a week without Vivzie getting hate for legit no reason.
The only two ones that I know that are justified are the passive aggressive tweet about the TADC shitpost and the recent thing with Alastor. I'm pretty sure the rest are either only halve her fault or unwarranted. IDK I'm only some guy with a pea brain.
What a suprise! Well no. Viv should look at this things like a free advertisement and ignore mean people or answer them to generate more ads xD
People fell jealous becouse having own show is most creators and artists dream.
I don't understand why there's so much hate towards a creator who does a wonderful job. I have no reason to hate her. Her shows are amazing. Her scripts are amazing. Her animations are amazing and if I had the money too I'd buy all of her merch x 3
I'd do all of this just to support her
Yeah! Even if I understand why some people dislike the shows, I think they hate her way too much
Viv is like the dream of the animation community
FOR ME it was don bluth and hey arnold creator
Still love don bluths xanadu animation dont walk away elo
How? Viv actually creates stuff.
People really don’t seem to be willing to remember the human…Viv is a person, and she doesn’t deserve to get shat on for a bit of bad language - there are so many shows that go so much harder on bad language that get none of the same shit. Yes she shouldn’t respond to it because that just feeds the troll, but she shouldn’t really have to worry about it in the first place. No-one should.
I mean, I assume the people shitting on Viv are adults given that they’re even aware of the show, so maybe they could just…act like it?
Maybe it’s just me, but going after a single creator like this for over a week in such a mean-spirited way seems like something edgy contrarian 13-year-olds would do.
Eh, she's also getting shat on for passive aggressive tweets, the POC drama, and the other things that unlike the first two were completely unwarranted.
@@HairyMcApe I have to admit I haven’t actually heard about any POC drama - could you enlighten me on that?
@@thesamsquatch2704 Apparently VivziePop decided that using the symbols of Voodou (a closed religion mainly for black people and sorry if when I say that comes of as racist because everything is woke now) to portray EVIL, which is very offensive. Now, some people are just using this as an excuse to hate VivziePop but there are in fact people of the religion of POC who have spoken out against this.
Why can’t these people stop?
The internet can turn us into pretty nasty people
@@Lulu_Loves_Sheep
I see.
Vivziepop:i like french fries.
The entire internet:*insert chimpanzee roaring*
I'm not even big on Hazbin but Jesus Christ this is dumb. Legit feel so bad for Vivzie rn
I wouldn't know about the supposed drama if i didn't randomly come across videos like this. Are we getting all puritanical over swearing and sex now? People know there is no magic behind swearing words and adults use them all the time when not working retail
"Humans will fight for reasons they don't understand. For causes they don't believe in" -Senator Armstrong
You're quoting a Ronald Reagan parody you're supposed to defeat.
This is why, if you're a big content creator, you NEED to stay as far away as possible from the internet, especially Twitter. Ignore everything that's being thrown at you and pretend that it doesn't exist, and keep working on what you love.
“Look at them, they act like they are so above the rest of us, what an aloof shit.”
Is what these people would be saying if she did. Ignore the hate or not, there is no way to ‘win’
@@MrSailing101 "the only winning move is not to play"
hence, not getting involved with social media
@@HarvoSpoon that quote is referring to tic tac toe and nuclear warfare. and that mentality didn't stop hitler.
@@MrSailing101 If they wanna bitch and cry and complain about how big content creators are "active like they're above the rest of us", then so be it. Let them cry all they want. Who cares about what some echo chamber goblins are saying when you got a massively successful franchise on your hands that is loved by MILLIONS? In Vivziepop's case, Hazbin Hotel and Hulluva Boss. Keep doing what you love, ignore them, and if they wanna cry, then let them.
In comparison:
Celebrities like Daft Punk managed to stay relevant and beloved for almost 30 years because they kept a low profile, and kept pumping out the music they loved making for their audience that loves listening to it. Did they have haters? Yes. Did that stop them? Hell no. They were the ones who chose to call it quits. The angry mob didn't force that choice onto them.
Meanwhile, before his most recent video, Dream had been chronically on Twitter fighting with people over the controversy surrounding him instead of either ignoring it, or properly addressing it without writing an endless barrage of angry tweets. And I hope to god Vivziepop doesn't fall down that rabbit hole.
Viv needs to ignore the hate and get off of social media. The haters on the other hand need to get a life and stop hating on someone who is more successful than her. If the haters hate Viv then they can freely not watch her stuff.
once you enter Social Media, you cannot get away from it anymore.
Can critics NOT?! Or people stop being butts for five whole minutes or whatever. I like/ love these series! If people don’t understand on hate something just don’t go and act on it. This is when people actually fear for their lives. Why can’t everyone get along? 🥺
Because humans love to hate
Well, that's because this show has attracted EVERYONE! Here's my educated guess on what happened. You see, the first season attracted the NORMIEST OF NORMIES, the INVADIEST OF ZIM FANS, and the people with VERY HIGH TASTE! ... Season 2 attracted the dream stan knock-offs, my fellow hormonal teenagers, and high-school girls. The differences and poorer quality combined with the cliches can caused a chain reaction, causing some of the OG fans to complain. The more recent fans (which are the majority) began to defend the show's newly acclaimed poor writing, causing the fan base to become what it is now. ... Oh yeah, and VivziePop somehow kept on getting into drama that fall into two categories, and two sub-categories. The she caused it and is completely her fault category, and the she caused it and it isn't her fault. The sub-categories include accidentally drawing the attention to herself and people drawing the attention to her. That's just my guess on what happened to this fandom.
One thing you need to prepare for when you put your stuff out there is that some people will love it and some people will hate it. That's just how it is.
What you say is true and understandable but the hatred is getting out of hand if people don't like to show that's perfectly but to hate on the Creator isn't cool
@@animezilla4486 People need to leaver her alone
First Gooseworx now Viziepop???? What the heck with wrong with the world🤬
What's funny is that Chai seems to be a furry himself, but doesn't support stuff that is made for furries in some kind of ways. It's so hypocritical and pathetic.
I had a similar experience with people who hated on my art, even tho they were furries and should've supported it. That's why I don't care about this fandom or any other fandom anymore, because they all are just full of toxic losers, who are so insecure about themselves and have nothing better to do in life than being hypocritical and hating on other peoples stuff because they are jealous.
Wait until they find out how much swearing is in Boondock Saints.
Its the new Steven Universe. Flawed show that didnt deserve nearly as much shit as it got
Vivzie reminds me a lot of girls i knew growing up who were really fun to be around for about a week but their insecurities and self-loathing would slowly make the entire relationship either extremely caustic or would just implode into a kind of burnt-out emotional exhaustion
With the stuff Chai is doing, I'm starting to wonder if some of these whackjobs are just pulling a Matt Rife, and manufacturing outrage as a way to draw attention to their own crappy work.
chai also got outed for being a Zoophile and a chomo
I remember seeing a comment on insta saying “omg you live Viv? That’s awful she’s a terrible person you shouldn’t support her” and when someone asked why, they had no backup other than just saying they don’t like her, that’s really all it is, if you don’t like someone don’t interact with their stuff, it’s so simple rather than slandering and wasting time trying to find a reason to hate them istg
As much as I dont like Viv, I can understand her current situation (also helluva boss is not that bad and hazbin hotel does in fact have lots of potential). However, shes also doing it to herself by responding to the hate and giving into trolls. And I say trolls because they dont give real criticism on the actual show, and they know that if they say something they know shes gonna react especially with how shes handled actual criticism. This wouldnt be happening if she just learned to just accept this is part of being a content creator. And if you cant handle that dont be a content creator.
I don't get why people are getting all upset over her stuff. She makes stuff for Mature audiences and we're very aware of what it entails. So idk why now everyone is upset.
Why does she make every character gay
Yaknow if they dont like it they could just...not watch it 😮😮😮😮
Sick of stupidity.
I know how Vivzie feels and i feel the same way too, this meme needs to die.
LEAVE VIVZIEPOP ALONE!
So...in little to barely any words, people are getting upset over something stupid that they shouldn't even be getting upset about... But seeing as the fact that this is the Internet and people enjoy the attention from others or just enjoy causing unneeded drama, this is happening anyways.. I hate seeing the Internet and the world go to sh*t, but with how people are nowadays, humanity and life itself is just continuing to plummit and go downhill 😔😕
By the thread's logic; Lesbian couples must never show attraction to one another nor express physical desires, villian merch is bad because villians are bad, and trans people who don't 100% "pass" by their standards must never be perceived
if Twitter didnt exist half of the worlds promlems would be solved
Honestly she’s so hated and there’s so much slander mixed in with the little tidbits of good criticism that they’ll just run her brand into the abyss to the point where amazon is forced to drop her show out of necessisity for their own brand. A sad but increasingly likely outcome as she’s already one of the most disliked online creators.
Oh for Gods sake people! Give this amazing woman a fuckin break! 🤦
People actually love Helluva boss if Vivzie decides to drop the whole show those haters will be the one getting hate from the fandom.
People its hell what are you gonna expect swearing is bad and bad people go to hell man humanity went downhill for sure
‘It’s Hell’. And yet people absolutely hate Stella for acting like a demon. But for some reason love Mammon when he’s a lot worse than Stella.
Yes but also no. It would be bad writing if that were the reason for everytime a character does or says something bad. I mean it is true still but at some point it's just forced.
@@quentinking8469 There is a concept called likeable villains and unlikeable villains. I don’t particularly like either of those two characters in particular though.
I don’t know what the drama is, I am not informed about anything going on. But what I know is that people really need to shut the fuck up real quick before viv will cancel season 2 due to backlash
Here's hoping. That she cancels.
@@GothicSlushy 🤥
Her art is incredible its just her ego needs a check her writing in the dhow is generally bad and ill admit the swearing joke is bloody old old but she needs to understand that these people are trying get on her nerves and she she just needs to ignore ...
She has a big fan base she needs to understand that
These haters are so unaware its actually worrying. Conplaining about Moxxies dad being turned into merch when there are far worse people who've been "turned into a marketable plushie" so to speak. Palpatine, Vader, Darth Maul, Springtrap, William Afton in general, Magneto, and so on. And on people being upset at Angel being in a pron film..........hes a pornstar. One of, if if not, the most famous and successful one in Hell. Like cone on. Its like getting mad that Katie Killjoy is in a newsroom 😂
When it's all said and done, Viv needs a break from it all.
Did someone actualoy complain that a villain got ther own merch?!
I seriously have never heard of any hate comments towards Vivzie. Even though I followed the show since the first episode of Helluva Boss. Maybe I'm just surrounded by the right community. 😊 I love you guys!
Eh, it's mostly the haters on twitter and they're nobodies really. If you don't actively try to seek out the hate surrounding Vivziepop you won't hear or read much about it. Keep surrounding yourself with those great people.
@@Goikuchan Sounds like you're one of 'em. 😊
Can someone please send me a link to that what if Scott pilgrim was written by Vivziepop plz thanks
This entire video was made to cover up any of the legitimate criticism, in favor of only highlighting the unneeded hate. Sad that no one actually cares or understands.
Man we should not give drama any attention,we will fight and enjoy what we like no matter what happens,who cares what some of the haters think we will give support to the creator be the good people as best as we can and the haters can’t stop us
@@daddydwaved Yes to not wanting drama, no to being a willfully ignorant Viv stan.
Okay fair enough
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Okay