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NV046 BSA Lightning XL SE Project Pt 6. SCIENCE! Pellet testing, does small fps spread=best groups?
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Well everyone else is doing "science" episodes so I thought I would give it a go.
It would stand to reason that the pellets that give the smallest fps spread over the chronograph will automatically give the tightest groups, right?
Well let's find out, using that parody of quality and virtue, the BSA Lightning XL SE in .177.
Regular viewers will remember just how much I love this gun. I say love, I mean dislike.
This is the BSA's last chance, will it finally win me over, was all that effort (and money) spent on rebuilding it finally worthwhile?
Or will it be used as part exchange against my next purchase?
All this and more in this thrilling installment of the BSA Lightning XL SE Project.
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Sorry everyone, I've just watched this on RUclips and realised that the captions and pictures got out of sequence somewhere between the editing software and the RUclips upload.
I will try harder next time.
Awesome shooting man 😊😊
Thank you, much appreciated 👍🏻
Wow the accuracy with those cheap excite pellets is insane through that barrel. You're lucky to be able to feed your gun cheap ammo with good results!
Must admit I had to pinch myself. The Excites do well in most rifles and pistols I've tried them in.
@@nickvending9688 I traded in a Vmach tuned HW35 yesterday for a new Lightning SE. Probably a huge mistake but so far... Seems great! The trigger is terrible though, as per your earlier videos. I'm tempted to try a CAT trigger conversion for the 1st stage tunability. Bloody gorgeous rifle, I must be mad!
@@RuffsTV@RuffsTV yes the trigger does let them down a bit.
If you are swapping in a Gamo trigger don't forget the Safety catch will move to infront of the blade, unless you can get the BSA's lever to work.
Using a Gamo trigger with the Gamo safety should make it possible to use the Charlie DTuna trigger, now that definitely makes an improvement.
He really sounds like Alan partridge, and I mean that in a nice way, great vid 😁
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Glad you enjoyed the video.
This time with Nick Vending, knowing me, knowing RUclips.
Had BSA lightning for a good while, CANT FAULT IT ,even shot fox 👌🇬🇧
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Mine was a bit ropey when I bought it but after the rebuild it became an accurate rifle.
Good video.. interesting to see the difference between the various pellets. Will do a bit of testing myself with different types... thanks for the info... by the way great looking rifle ... 👍
Thank you, glad the video was helpful. Always worth testing different pellets, it is amazing how much of a difference it makes.
The BSA really is a looker, they got the visual design spot on.
Brilliant test Been watching this gun get better and better Love the vids You've got a great voice for stand up comedy ☺️
Thank you for your comment, much appreciated.
Glad you are enjoying the videos. It took a while but the BSA finally shoots as good as it looks.
Glad you are enjoying the humour 👍🏻
Glad to see you keeping the Gun!!
Me too, I didn't want to give up on the lightning. It fought me every step of the way but it came good in the end.
It a good piece of kit .. I know a lot more about mine now thanks to you
Thank you, glad that the videos were useful 👍🏻
Hi Nick, great video and as your science proves you should definitely test a bunch of pellets. I absolutely love your sense of humor and great videos, it was most enjoyable. On the std deviation I read that a SD of between 10% and lower shouldn't influence POI up to 10m very much however with longer range shooting you want to keep the SD under4%. High end PCP'S are usually around 1.5% SD. That is %of the fps
Hello, glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for your comment, much appreciated.
That makes sense, I was shooting at 25yards so I guess it was probably too short a distance for the SD to make a difference.
I will have to get to a longer range and try again at some point.
Thanks again for your comment, keep up the good work on your channel 👍🏻.
Great Vidio, very informative, you have saved me alot of money and it's a great presentation. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment, much appreciated 👍🏻. Glad the video was helpful.
This is one of the key factors of getting more accurate performance from any rifle. Sometimes you get lucky and the first brand and weight of pellets are bang on, but other times you need to test as many pellets as possible. My Artemis P15, I tested 30 different brands and weights to get the most accurate pellet, the majority of them were all over the place, though after many test I narrowed it down to 5 or 6 different pellets with close groups at 10 yard, then tested each of those at 5 yard intervals, from 10 to 15 to 20 etc up to 50 years and found that one pellet had consistent close groups at all distances whilst also staying in line with the vertical elevation as some groups began to drift sideways.
This week I've been testing my BSA GRT Lightning .22 cal rifle and out of 30 pellets 19 are a definite no good, whilst 5 others are good close groups and the other 6 are debatable as to whether they had a flyer with a close group and 1 pellet out of all 30 had the closest group with more consistency. I will retest those 11 pellets again to whittle it down further, then test which ever pellets are chosen out of those at different range distance. So far the JSB RS 13.43 grain are the best despite JSB Jumbo, Jumbo Heavy and Hades, were all no good.
It's quite amazing really, the pellets that the lightning preferred were the cheapest ones and the most expensive ones. So I've bulk bought the H&Ns, because they also suit my air pistols.
Although technically the GAMOs were the most expensive because they are in a tin of 200, I will be running them through a sizer to see if I can tidy them up a bit.
Pellet testing, a great way to spend a day.
@@nickvending9688 Yeah there's several tweaks than can be done to make improvements. I see Barrel Tuners seam to help with closer groups too and can also help reduce a rifle barrel movement on the recoil. ... Airgun Barrel Tuners - Does it Work ruclips.net/video/xf09L48517Y/видео.html
I remember Browning bringing out an adjustable muzzle brake so you could wind it in and out to tune the barrel harmonics, I think it was on the A bolt, that was a fair few years ago.
How thin a lot of PCP barrels are it would likely help them out.
Probably not something I'm going to look at though, there aren't enough hours in the day already.
Really interesting. The science was well worth doing.
Thanks, glad it was interesting.
It was something I'd been curious about for a while. Just goes to show that how the pellets punch the paper is more important than how they perform over the Chrony. Same goes for the actual airguns too.
Ck i was particularly impressed with your scientists white coat you donned for this video.
Thank you, much appreciated. Science isn't science without a white lab coat.
CK interesting exercise carried out in a scientific manner, do you have your own laboratory or do you rent? Pellet selection is very important and can make a rifle good or bad ( or indifferent ) but as a scientist you would know this already, how about a pellet penetration test under laboratory conditions?
@mikedolman7056 sadly not my own laboratory but fortunately provided to me free of charge due to the world changing scientific innovations.
Pellet penetration testing would be an interesting one. The problem is material selection. One of the airgun magazines has a contributor that uses terracotta clay but the shooting has to be completed before it dries out.
I'll be honest, it isn't something I currently intend to look at, but maybe one for the future.
@@nickvending9688 nick as a scientist what are your thoughts on the shape of the head of the pellet, as you know there are dome headed, wadcutters, semi and full pointed to name a few perhaps a lab trial is in order? And perhaps you could head one up.
I have found through extensive scientific research that dome headed are the best all rounder.
Pointed are a waste of time, I've never found an accurate one.
Flat head are used for target shooting because they leave a neat hole in the paper. As they are intended for target shooting many flat head pellets are high quality and as such more accurate than a mid range dome head.
I grew up on BSA air rifles. Had a supersport, meteor, gold star, you name it. I mostly use PCP these days but I do always keep a springer in the cabinet, I have the lightning XL-SE in .22 and other than the ridiculous twang it makes it's a very good rifle and I don't think I'd ever part with it.
Thank you for your comment, much appreciated.
I must confess that my introduction to modern BSAs was the gun in the video and initially it didn't go well. However one very protracted rebuild later it is a very good gun and I wouldn't part with it. Agreed on the twang. I'd imagine there is a tuning kit that would remove it but now I've got the rifle shooting well I'm cautious of taking it apart again.
Haven't you tried a piston sleeve to stop the twang?
Hello, thank you for your comment. Would you believe that the rifle already has a sleeve fitted.
@@nickvending9688 my friend had very bad twang on his lightening and asked if I'd sort it out, the sleeves l use are made from plastic fizzy drink bottles as it's a very tough plastic, and moly grease l got rid of it as I've done on loads of rifles, he said it was more accurate,
@@6lr6ak6 thanks, if I get some spare time to strip the rifle down again I will give that a go.
Bugger me,you got her to shoot! I'm trying to do the same with a Crosman Phantom😵💫😵💫😵💫👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎
Finally got there, it took a while! Some airguns certainly like to play hard to get.
What work have you done to the Crosman?
All my pistols Co2 and ,springer the excite in 22 and a good rifle the lightning. C02 use bigger pellets why C02 is a liquid and it has more time to change to a gas there fore more power and 30m targets it become a very accurate , but turn it to winter and its the other way see 24 shots in the the summer but winter half the shots
My CO2 pistols like the Excites too, as do my Gamo PR-45 and Compact. A very good pellet, I'm still working my way through a quite ridiculously large bulk purchase that I did a couple of years ago.
The impact of atmospheric temperature on the performance of CO2 is pretty dramatic, I don't bother using my CO2 pistols in the winter.
Very good!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻
Lol, guys got a lab coat. Good stuff
Safety first on this channel 🤣.
Grest video jsb.. hades .. AA pellet ate the best out there
Thank you, much appreciated. Yes the AA pellets seem to perform well in all of the rifles I've tried them in. Others can be a bit variable.
Good stuff A buddy ....love air rifles made of wood ..
Thank you, yes it is a great looking rifle and it finally shoots as good as it looks. I'm really not a fan of plastic stocks, give me a good bit of beech any day.
I've got a lightning XL SE GRT in .22, I got it new and after tightening the stock screws and replacing the utter shite breech seal with a weirauch one in a true moment of heracy. I found air arms field, webley accupells and the new BSA gold stars were practically PCP level accurate or as near as a springer gets, needless to say jaws drop at my local air rifle range after it was blasted for being spanish crap before my fettle
Hello, thank you for your comment. I wish I'd bought the GRT version. I looked into converting this one to gas ram but I couldn't get the parts.
Thankfully the gun came good in the end, glad yours is doing well too.
Thank you for the tip about the Weihrauch breech seal, is there a particular model to look for?
Many thanks
@@nickvending9688 the HW 80 Breech seal JKI Weihrauch Breech Seal Part No. 9065JKI, its a red much harder material from airgun spares, honestly it counter acts any tendency for barrel play because the gamo toffee seal they use is so soft after 20 odd shots its knackered and you could hear the shot sound changed as air seeped out, also removes any pivot pin slide because the seal covers any tolerance issues, my pivot pin use to slide to the left after 3 shots because the tolerance was under, some people say the hw80 seal fits some had to sand it down alittle but the hard plastic ones make a hell of alot of difference
worth a try
Brilliant, thank you 👍🏻
@@TheKillboxer Hi mate, I'm considering getting a 177 lightning grt and wondered if you could tell me how they hold up? Have you seen any issues with barrel axis pin wear or any other problems?
I don't have the GRT version but I did need to replace the axis pin. It is a cheap part and simple to do, but that doesn't make it ok to be a consumable item. Admittedly my lightning was rather well used.
It’s a good GRT gun incredibly smooth and accurate. How the hell does someone manage to break the linkage. It’s industrial.
I probably should have bought the GRT version instead of the spring.
I'm still trying to work out why it broke, it was the part that the anti-bear trap attaches to - it broke off. Maybe a bad weld at the factory - guess I will never know.
Different Pellets will have different groups as they're all different weights and not individually zeroed to suit each type/make
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. I think this video proves that quite well.
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Thank you 👍🏻
Dog of a gun BSA ain't what it was and new prices for crappy springers are eye watering.You,d be better off with a little .22 99 S .Keep at it bud interesting content.
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. Yes, there is no way I would pay the brand new price, far too high.
Fortunately this one was second hand, it worked out quite reasonably priced even with the parts it needed during the rebuild.
I now like the gun, but I do wish I'd bought something else.
Glad you are enjoying the videos.
Many thanks
Cut the piston, above 16 mm !Good luck !
Hmm, not sure that would work on this gun. From memory the slot that the trigger engages with is pretty close to the end.
Good you please show us how to remove the suppressor fitted to a BSA lightning? Thank you
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
I will have a look at it to see whether it is a job I want to do. The gun is shooting well at the moment, I'm loathe to mess with it.
For a close group test why have a bag on the table and not use it?
Well spotted.
I wanted to show how much muzzle flip the lightning still has, I believe I put a caption on the screen about it. Hence shooting from my shoulder.
The actual groups were shot rested, although the table is way too low so it was rather uncomfortable.
Sadly I later realised that the captions and inserted pictures got out of sync with the footage during the upload to RUclips, so it may not have made sense.
Those are the sexiest springers. I’m heart broken they don’t sell them in the US anymore.
Hello, thank you for your comment. They are great looking but overpriced in my honest opinion.
But finally mine is shooting as good as it looks.
Nick, I have this same airgun. I like it. Plenty of punch and solidly built. Espically like the stock. Mine is a Englisg built gun. ScottinUSA
Should have mentioned mine is .22. I use it for squirell hunting.
Hello Scott, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
They are good guns, the stock design is a work of art.
As I'm sure you've seen from the build series mine needed a lot of work, it was second hand and was in bad order when I bought it but it definitely came good in the end.
Is yours spring or gas ram?
@Nick Vending Nick, mine is spring. There is no twang or buzz. It is pellet picky though. But the ones it likes I can stack pellet on pellet. ScottinUSA
@Nick Vending Nick, I assume it's a spring, now you have me wondering. It's marked. Lighting XL SE, as I mentioned there is no twang or buzz, none. If it was marked GRT then it would be gas ram, right?? ScottinUSA
quelle distance de tir, merci..
Bonjour, merci pour votre commentaire, très apprécié. La portée est de 25 mètres.
@@nickvending9688 Je vous remercie sincérement de m'avoir répondu.
I really like the look of this gun I was toying with the idea of getting an hw98 but I like this and its a bit easier on the pocket. You have both of them, what are your thoughts??
I like the Lightning now it is rebuilt and shooting well (I came close to breaking it up for parts) but I much prefer the HW98 in every respect. Most important for me are:
- The stock adjustment
- The trigger blade is metal not plastic
- The trigger feel is infinitely superior
- The 98 is built like a tank and never needed work
- The components of the 98 are all top quality, even after years of ownership nothing has worn out.
- The 98 barely moves under recoil.
I will say that the lightning is much better looking and being lighter it is much nicer to carry around.
The new price of a Lightning will buy a new HW95 if you shop around, that would be my recommendation if funds can't stretch to a HW98.
@@nickvending9688 I think your right the hw98 will stand the test of time and outlast other cheaper guns. Cheers my friend
No problem, happy I could help 👍🏻
I've got some of those gamo pellets, i have six rifles not one of them shoots well with them they are crap , 😂🤣👍
They really are awful. But who knows, maybe there's a rifle out there that likes them.
I can some thing not to zero you need a fixet rest to zero and rifle
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated.
This gun doesn't like being shot from a rest, so it makes me work for the accuracy. Still, it's an enjoyable challenge.
Hola .amigo ..para UD ..con la experiencia que tiene en armas ..
Me podría decir que carabina da igual la marca....es más silenciosa ..tengo que disparar .en mi casa
Ya que voy en silla de ruedas ..para no molestar a los vecinos ..muchas gracias de antemano ..y perdóneme ..no entiendo el idioma . Repito muchas gracias
Hola, gracias por tu comentario. Disculpas por no saber español, así que espero que mi respuesta a través del traductor de Google tenga sentido. El rifle más silencioso que he probado es mi Air Arms Ultimate Sporter. Viene con un muy buen silenciador de serie. El ruido cuando se dispara proviene del perdigón que golpea el objetivo, el respaldo de metal suena con fuerza. Si puede disparar con una losa de pavimento inclinada hacia abajo detrás de su objetivo, entonces el impacto es más silencioso. También me han dicho que llenar el soporte del objetivo con masilla reduce el ruido, lo intentaré pronto.
Hello, thank you for your comment. Apologies for not knowing Spanish, so I hope my reply through Google translate makes sense.
The quietest rifle I have tested is my Air Arms Ultimate Sporter. It comes with a very good silencer as standard.
The noise when it is shot comes from the pellet hitting the target, the metal backstop rings loudly. If you can shoot with a paving slab angled down behind your target then the impact is quieter.
I have also been told that filling the target holder with putty reduces the noise, i will be trying that soon.
@@nickvending9688 muchas muchas gracias ...por su respuesta . Le estoy muy agradecido ..lástima que aquí en España estemos tan limitados en marcas de aire comprimido ....
Es un placer .verlo ..y muy agradecido
Feliz de ayudar, mis disculpas por haber tardado tanto en responder a su mensaje. La mayoría de los rifles PCP se vuelven muy silenciosos cuando se instala un silenciador. Mi PR900W es silenciosa con un silenciador Kral, una carabinas muy ligera y divertida de disparar. ¿Qué marcas de carabinas de aire están disponibles para usted?
Happy to help, my apologies that it took so long to reply to your message.
The majority of PCP rifles become very quiet when a silencer is fitted. My PR900W is quiet with a Kral silencer, a very lightweight and enjoyable gun to shoot. What airgun brands are available to you?
@@nickvending9688 no se preocupe x la tardanza .no hay que tener prisa ...
Las Pcp ..están bien ..pero con compresor .y se me van de presupuesto y busco algo en nitropiston .en 5.5 . .aquí en España.en mi zona .tenemos Gamo .Hatsan Cometa .Norica ..y alguna crossman.que vienen con reductor de ruido .pero aún así es más de estética .que funcionalidad .
Perdóneme a mi .x quitarle algo de su tiempo ..reciba un cordial Saludo
@@antoniomartin1526 En términos del pistón Nitro, puedo decir honestamente que mi Gamo es ruidoso, a pesar de que se le llama "susurro", ciertamente no es silencioso. Se agrieta como un .22lr.
No he probado las otras marcas que mencionas, ¿podría valer la pena unirte a los grupos de propietarios en Facebook y hacer la pregunta?
quelle distance de tir.
Bonjour, merci pour votre commentaire. La distance de tir est de 25 mètres.
Hope that translated correctly.
Здравствуйте какая газовая пружина стоит?
Hello, thank you for your comment. I had to use an online translator, it says you asked "Hello, what gas spring is worth?"
Do you mean price or power output? Just the gas ram unit or the whole rifle?
Gamo pellets are terrible inconsistent size not even good for plinking.
Hello thank you for your comment much appreciated. The issues I had with the Gamo pellets in this test seemed to relate to the skirts. When they were shot from my S510 the magazine seemed to fix the issue as they performed much better. Still not great, but not terrible.
Am I going to sit and size the tin of pellets - nope...
Their pistol cup pellets are pretty good though.
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Apologies for the delay in responding, was this comment incomplete? How can I help?
Great video Nick...I have a brand new LIGHTENING SE .177 and I think its lush to be honest....I foolishly used cheap pellets and began to think the Rifle might be faulty but no it was the snide pellets I had used....Now using AA DF .177 4.52MM.....And a different ball game now....Where did you get the added silencer plz.....
Hello, thank you for your comment much appreciated. The pellets make a huge difference with these guns. The silencer was already fitted to it when I bought it (secondhand).