Most of those books you showed were on the approved reading list when I was on my mission back in 1978, I remember as a young Deacon sitting a priesthood meeting listening to a member of the bishopric explain to us why blacks are not allowed to have the have the priesthood, it all came down to this was Gods decision, they were a cursed race. The church is trying paint over its history like this was all one big misunderstanding and that none of this was canonized doctrine.
It's beyond sad that despite the hurt this doctrine has caused the church will never apologize, but again if they do they’ll be admitting that the church is ran by man and not God. It's appalling what people do and then blame it all on God.
Islam has the same problem when it comes to young girls marrying grown men. It’s an issue they cant get out of because the Prophet PBUH, modeled this as morally acceptable.
Yes this is exactly the mindset I was getting from these old prophets. It seems their reasoning is that since there are different races that must mean that one race is superior to others, rather than them being equal.
What's doctrine today may not be tomorrow, and what a latter-day prophet says today is God's word may become "just his opinion" tomorrow, once the doctrine or revelation has become unpopular, or just flat out unacceptable. There's an awful lot of this revisionist argument in Mormon apologetics, especially lately it seems.
Every time an apologist tries to walk back a doctrine they falsify the truth claims of the church. If it was indeed divinely inspired no walking back of doctrine would be necessary.
When you slid that stack of books in frame, I was like, "Oh, she has *time* today!" 😂 I wish I knew Gladys Knight personally, so I could forward this to her! I'm still so not okay with a Motown queen falling for this bigoted scam of a religion!
@@kevinandrewbryan6623 No, she joined after her children joined, and wasn't baptized until 1997. I'm not sure where you got that info, but it's incorrect.
@@kevinandrewbryan6623Gladys Joined in the late 1990s a big deal was made. Also these books were from the 1940s to 1960s so by the time she joined the leadership and members hid them and lied about what the racist concepts as they still do today. Im sure she is not 100% aware of the doctrines. Im sure she is somewhat as ware of the racist members but who knows they probably treat her better than they do non celebrity black members.
My school, San Diego State University was one among many of Universities in the late 60’s who REFUSED to play BYU in athletics because Blacks were not allowed to be in the Priesthood. Lo and Behold, within a year or two the Prophet had a Revelation ( timely I’d say) that Yes the Blacks could now hold the Priesthood. I’m sure ALL the money they missed out on didn’t have anything to do with the Revelation! Thanks Lexi for using their very own books to teach them about their own church!
"When god allows the spirit to take on a ----- body, do you suppose he is unaware of the fact that he will suffer a social stigma? Therefore if you say this church is unjust in not allowing the ----- to bear the priesthood, you must to be consistent likewise say that god is even more unjust in giving him black a skin." I'm surprised that this book contains an argument for why god is not benevolent. As an atheist, I approve.
Please continue posting videos like this one. A previous one caused me to dive into the history of the LDS church which led to be telling the Missionaries that I had no interest in being baptised into the cult. (I was very polite to those poor deluded kids.) Thank you.
In my brief 2.5yr exposure to the LDS Church through meeting my wife I saw a few common things among the members and Bishops. First was how many mainstream daily Mormons have almost no knowledge of the history of the Church other than a few lessons taught repeatedly. I was quite shocked having done some basic research how little my wife knew and she and her entire family are born and lived members. I expected them to be knowledgeable experts but they are truly quite clueless. Second thing is how little interest or even disdain for learning about the history of their own religion's history they have. I've asked some about why haven't you explored it and they almost seemed revolted, saying why dig up the past or we've moved on as if that means knowing how you got here today does not matter. And lastly, regarding the Bishops, I spoke and met with 4 different ones in 2 states about understanding and clarifying questions on the Church's past history. To a tee all of them tried to tell me it was not the correct way to grow in the church, would only lead to me being confused as if I'm too stupid to understand this complex web of changes, and that they basically discouraged it. It says a lot when leadership tries to steer you away from learning about the past, it only proves they have something to hide.
The problem is that today's "prophets" must be believed, revered and OBEYED. Otherwise, you are an "apostate", and you cannot enter the temple, let alone hie to Kolob. (Even if in 20 years it is all proved to be "opinions of men", to be flushed down the toilet.)
Mormon doctrine’s foundation is racism. I heard many racist teachings across the pulpit and in the lessons in the 80s and 90s. What members are saying is symbolic now was taught as literal then.
@@unicorntamer2207It's a misunderstanding of the Book of Mormon. It's too simplicistic and cherry picking. In The Book of Mormon is clear that behaviour and actions define a person.
Exmo lex be handling these commenters like neo fighting the Legion of agent smith's in matrix reloaded. She keeps knocking them down but they keep on getting up.
It's hard to claim that everything you say is The Word of God because you can't back-track later. Funny how God decided it was OK just as the IRS was reviewing the LDS tax-exempt status in 1978.
If you "know in your heart" that the Church is false, that its teachings are harmful, or its prophet was a criminal, and you're still "Sharing your Testimony, " technically LDS members can't complain. You're doing good work. It's great to see you're still at it.
Honestly, they kind of have a point blaming it on God. A small example of the problem of evil there. If you think their opinions on race were wrong, what about God allowing such ideas to be taught and generations of his children being discriminated against due to circumstances of their birth?
I'm so grateful that the church has come so far that it's so shocking for so many people to hear such awful things be said that probably weren't as shocking back then. I hope that the ban on homosexuals and homophobia within the church will someday be just as shocking to hear. And that future members someday will think that it was just a couple of profets personal opinions that homosexuality is a sin.
That's not going to fix the actual problem, though. The organization says it speaks for God and has convinced the members that they need to listen to what they say in order to obtain happiness. It's all a lie. They need to stop. Period.
@@unicorntamer2207 that's never going to happen. It would dissolve the whole religion down to nothing. The church isn't going anywhere. So advocating for positive change within the church is the best bet.
@@darrencollinwood142 They need to stop lying and saying they speak for God. The only reason they are being more inclusive is so they can manipulate more people.
@@unicorntamer2207 I believe that they all believe the lie so much that they aren't trying to lie themselves. the leaders think that every time they think or feel something that those thoughts and feelings are from God. Many times those things are harmful, but I don't think they are intentionally harmful. But I totally agree that the gift of discernment is bull shit and needs to stop.
I'm pretty sure that once you know how the sausage gets made, i.e., they know how the new names of endowments are given (just depends on what day of the month it is) and they know what happens with tithing money (it's invested in stocks like any other corporation) you really can't believe that is how an intelligent and caring Heavenly Father would want it to be. That God actually commanded all of it to be this way.
This is my take on the Cain and Abel story. God is all knowing, right? So he knew perfectly well what would happen when he accepted Abel's offering and rejected Cain's offering. So God set up Cain for failure. An all loving God would have accepted both brothers offerings, equally. They both gave the best they had.
Originally the Church was a Protestant church with 2 New features the one she read about in the video, and the Jesus was American (baby). The Church was the "House of Lord". LDS would come later.
Elijah Abel was a black priesthood holder and member of the 70 in the 1830s and 40s. Appointed by Joseph Smith. Much beyond that is disputed but it appears he was kicked out by Brigham Young.
Thank you for sharing!! I had a hard time with this when I was younger. In my mind I couldn’t understand it. But I could never talk about it, or ask questions. This was back in the 70’s, in UT, and I was questioning it then! Ex-mo
Thank you for this, Lex. I'm one of two Exmos in my immediate family, and will have been married to my beautiful wife (who is Black) for 10 years in September. While my family loves her and generally treats her with respect... it's hard to imagine the mental gymnastics they must do in their own heads to justify the racist history of their church.
Funny that "Jesus" (according to the book these people believe is the word of their deity) said the opposite: earth is not his kingdom but Satan's. Any wealth or luck in this world means hell, any "disabilty" means heaven.
And that's not forget that Jane Elizabeth Manning James is to this day sealed to Joseph Smith as a servitor (meaning a servant for attendant to a social superior) for all eternity.
Keep doing these videos. It needs to be repeated. The reason the first presidency changed the law about giving the priesthood was they were threatened with losing their non tax status.
Everything you said was 100% accurate and completely valid. What I WILL say is the first book you read that condemned "miscegeny" (i.e. race mixing) saying it was forbidden since the time of the "patriarchs" overlooks the fact that Moses, a hebrew literally married an Ethiopian/Cushite. How or why no one picked up on this or spoke out is really an indicator of the mindset.
Lex ALWAYS BRINGS RECEIPTS!
It's simple folks....It's a business NOT A RELIGION.
I love these videos where you take a comment and checkmate them a couple times.
Most of those books you showed were on the approved reading list when I was on my mission back in 1978, I remember as a young Deacon sitting a priesthood meeting listening to a member of the bishopric explain to us why blacks are not allowed to have the have the priesthood, it all came down to this was Gods decision, they were a cursed race. The church is trying paint over its history like this was all one big misunderstanding and that none of this was canonized doctrine.
It's beyond sad that despite the hurt this doctrine has caused the church will never apologize, but again if they do they’ll be admitting that the church is ran by man and not God. It's appalling what people do and then blame it all on God.
Islam has the same problem when it comes to young girls marrying grown men. It’s an issue they cant get out of because the Prophet PBUH, modeled this as morally acceptable.
While God recognizes all forms of religion. God is not religious. And he has a major hiccup with the fundamentalists.
Hey LDS Leaders, just follow your own repentance process and own it. What you can't do is pretend you were never a deeply racist spiritual community.
"If Im so racist then how come God gave us races to be racist against" damn he got us in the clutches of reason
Yes this is exactly the mindset I was getting from these old prophets. It seems their reasoning is that since there are different races that must mean that one race is superior to others, rather than them being equal.
What's doctrine today may not be tomorrow, and what a latter-day prophet says today is God's word may become "just his opinion" tomorrow, once the doctrine or revelation has become unpopular, or just flat out unacceptable. There's an awful lot of this revisionist argument in Mormon apologetics, especially lately it seems.
Oh the shame! Thank you for having that pile of shit books so you have the receipts!
Every time an apologist tries to walk back a doctrine they falsify the truth claims of the church. If it was indeed divinely inspired no walking back of doctrine would be necessary.
When you slid that stack of books in frame, I was like, "Oh, she has *time* today!" 😂
I wish I knew Gladys Knight personally, so I could forward this to her! I'm still so not okay with a Motown queen falling for this bigoted scam of a religion!
She joined in the 70s
@@kevinandrewbryan6623 No, she joined after her children joined, and wasn't baptized until 1997. I'm not sure where you got that info, but it's incorrect.
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@@DevoShire 😂
@@kevinandrewbryan6623Gladys Joined in the late 1990s a big deal was made. Also these books were from the 1940s to 1960s so by the time she joined the leadership and members hid them and lied about what the racist concepts as they still do today. Im sure she is not 100% aware of the doctrines. Im sure she is somewhat as ware of the racist members but who knows they probably treat her better than they do non celebrity black members.
My school, San Diego State University was one among many of Universities in the late 60’s who REFUSED to play BYU in athletics because Blacks were not allowed to be in the Priesthood. Lo and Behold, within a year or two the Prophet had a Revelation ( timely I’d say) that Yes the Blacks could now hold the Priesthood. I’m sure ALL the money they missed out on didn’t have anything to do with the Revelation! Thanks Lexi for using their very own books to teach them about their own church!
1978
@@DevoShire Took em longer than I remember!
"When god allows the spirit to take on a ----- body, do you suppose he is unaware of the fact that he will suffer a social stigma? Therefore if you say this church is unjust in not allowing the ----- to bear the priesthood, you must to be consistent likewise say that god is even more unjust in giving him black a skin."
I'm surprised that this book contains an argument for why god is not benevolent. As an atheist, I approve.
Please continue posting videos like this one. A previous one caused me to dive into the history of the LDS church which led to be telling the Missionaries that I had no interest in being baptised into the cult. (I was very polite to those poor deluded kids.) Thank you.
You are awesome!!
Thank you for this, Lexi!
In my brief 2.5yr exposure to the LDS Church through meeting my wife I saw a few common things among the members and Bishops. First was how many mainstream daily Mormons have almost no knowledge of the history of the Church other than a few lessons taught repeatedly. I was quite shocked having done some basic research how little my wife knew and she and her entire family are born and lived members. I expected them to be knowledgeable experts but they are truly quite clueless. Second thing is how little interest or even disdain for learning about the history of their own religion's history they have. I've asked some about why haven't you explored it and they almost seemed revolted, saying why dig up the past or we've moved on as if that means knowing how you got here today does not matter. And lastly, regarding the Bishops, I spoke and met with 4 different ones in 2 states about understanding and clarifying questions on the Church's past history. To a tee all of them tried to tell me it was not the correct way to grow in the church, would only lead to me being confused as if I'm too stupid to understand this complex web of changes, and that they basically discouraged it. It says a lot when leadership tries to steer you away from learning about the past, it only proves they have something to hide.
Remember: We are all of us God's chosen or none of us are. A loving parent does not pick favorites.
The problem is that today's "prophets" must be believed, revered and OBEYED. Otherwise, you are an "apostate", and you cannot enter the temple, let alone hie to Kolob. (Even if in 20 years it is all proved to be "opinions of men", to be flushed down the toilet.)
“The Craftiness of Men”
Mormon doctrine’s foundation is racism. I heard many racist teachings across the pulpit and in the lessons in the 80s and 90s. What members are saying is symbolic now was taught as literal then.
How does that work?
@@sarahsbakingcreationsIt's the main plot point of the Book of Mormon. Dark skin = bad guy and light skin = good guy.
@@sarahsbakingcreationsbook of Mormon says dark skin is a curse from god. It’s pretty gross and blatant with the racism.
@@unicorntamer2207It's a misunderstanding of the Book of Mormon. It's too simplicistic and cherry picking. In The Book of Mormon is clear that behaviour and actions define a person.
@@giuliom3564 And then there was the idea that perpetuated from that: if you convert the Native Americans, their skin will become lighter.
It is hard to believe that POC actually have joined this racist church even after they changed the policy.
I ask.the same thing
Exmo lex be handling these commenters like neo fighting the Legion of agent smith's in matrix reloaded. She keeps knocking them down but they keep on getting up.
It's hard to claim that everything you say is The Word of God because you can't back-track later.
Funny how God decided it was OK just as the IRS was reviewing the LDS tax-exempt status in 1978.
If you "know in your heart" that the Church is false, that its teachings are harmful, or its prophet was a criminal, and you're still "Sharing your Testimony, " technically LDS members can't complain.
You're doing good work. It's great to see you're still at it.
Honestly, they kind of have a point blaming it on God. A small example of the problem of evil there. If you think their opinions on race were wrong, what about God allowing such ideas to be taught and generations of his children being discriminated against due to circumstances of their birth?
Love this video
I’m old enough that I was taught this garbage as doctrines in church. Pretending that it wasn’t is ludicrous
Keep on pushing this videos out.
We’re seeing the same spirit of retrenchment today on queer issues.
How much you wanna bet ExMo Lex’s critics will try to report this video to RUclips for racism?
I'm so grateful that the church has come so far that it's so shocking for so many people to hear such awful things be said that probably weren't as shocking back then. I hope that the ban on homosexuals and homophobia within the church will someday be just as shocking to hear. And that future members someday will think that it was just a couple of profets personal opinions that homosexuality is a sin.
That's not going to fix the actual problem, though. The organization says it speaks for God and has convinced the members that they need to listen to what they say in order to obtain happiness. It's all a lie. They need to stop. Period.
@@unicorntamer2207 that's never going to happen. It would dissolve the whole religion down to nothing. The church isn't going anywhere. So advocating for positive change within the church is the best bet.
@@darrencollinwood142 They need to stop lying and saying they speak for God. The only reason they are being more inclusive is so they can manipulate more people.
@@unicorntamer2207 I believe that they all believe the lie so much that they aren't trying to lie themselves. the leaders think that every time they think or feel something that those thoughts and feelings are from God. Many times those things are harmful, but I don't think they are intentionally harmful. But I totally agree that the gift of discernment is bull shit and needs to stop.
I'm pretty sure that once you know how the sausage gets made, i.e., they know how the new names of endowments are given (just depends on what day of the month it is) and they know what happens with tithing money (it's invested in stocks like any other corporation) you really can't believe that is how an intelligent and caring Heavenly Father would want it to be. That God actually commanded all of it to be this way.
Well spoken young lady 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😘😘
I was always told that ANYTHING told over the pulpit at GC or in the Ensign magazine is gospel!!!
If you have to censor certain words out then you KNOW it's bad. They're also VERY anti LGBT
This is my take on the Cain and Abel story.
God is all knowing, right? So he knew perfectly well what would happen when he accepted Abel's offering and rejected Cain's offering. So God set up Cain for failure. An all loving God would have accepted both brothers offerings, equally. They both gave the best they had.
Excellent as always. I love that you always site your sources!
The Book of Mormon is the only book you need, its core story is the mound builder myth which is racism anyway you look at it.
No the Holy Bible is the only book you need!
@@jamesbrooks3664, naw. It is an origin mythology intended to rebuild a nation by giving it an extended identity.
Originally the Church was a Protestant church with 2 New features the one she read about in the video, and the Jesus was American (baby). The Church was the "House of Lord". LDS would come later.
Thanks, Beelzebub doesn't bash his buddies.
Elijah Abel was a black priesthood holder and member of the 70 in the 1830s and 40s. Appointed by Joseph Smith. Much beyond that is disputed but it appears he was kicked out by Brigham Young.
TBM’s who try to justify previous history or doctrine of the church are so damn blind 🙄 🤦🏻♀️
Thank you for sharing!! I had a hard time with this when I was younger. In my mind I couldn’t understand it. But I could never talk about it, or ask questions. This was back in the 70’s, in UT, and I was questioning it then! Ex-mo
Thank you for this, Lex. I'm one of two Exmos in my immediate family, and will have been married to my beautiful wife (who is Black) for 10 years in September. While my family loves her and generally treats her with respect... it's hard to imagine the mental gymnastics they must do in their own heads to justify the racist history of their church.
I have never seen any of your other videos and I would never do such a deep dive into Mormon writings. This is intriguing. I'm also biracial. TY.
Keep em coming. Old news is still relevant and shows how in the lds faith...a dead prophet is. False prophet.
Funny that "Jesus" (according to the book these people believe is the word of their deity) said the opposite: earth is not his kingdom but Satan's. Any wealth or luck in this world means hell, any "disabilty" means heaven.
And that's not forget that Jane Elizabeth Manning James is to this day sealed to Joseph Smith as a servitor (meaning a servant for attendant to a social superior) for all eternity.
@Exo Lex I found a secret about the Mormon church that no one has uncovered yet, but I'm going to need your help
Religion places barriers between God and his people where none truly exist.
All religions are ridiculous in this day and age. Keep your childish invisible friends to yourselves and leave the rest of us alone, please! 🙏
Keep doing these videos. It needs to be repeated. The reason the first presidency changed the law about giving the priesthood was they were threatened with losing their non tax status.
Thank you for your videos 🙏🙏🙏
Lexi, Esq., Attorney at Law
Thanks!
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Very nice concise video.
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Everything you said was 100% accurate and completely valid. What I WILL say is the first book you read that condemned "miscegeny" (i.e. race mixing) saying it was forbidden since the time of the "patriarchs" overlooks the fact that Moses, a hebrew literally married an Ethiopian/Cushite. How or why no one picked up on this or spoke out is really an indicator of the mindset.