Feminism Is Dividing This Country
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2023
- In South Korea, most men in their 20s and 30s oppose feminism. The movement is so popular that conservative politicians are using it to gain voters and win elections. VICE News Tonight looks at what’s behind the anti-feminism movement, and the danger it poses to women’s rights.
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When you are accustomed to privileged, equality feels like oppression.
Preach.
@@marciestoddard730 Women are not required to perform military service. Same thing in the United States, but every male is required to register for the draft.
I think politicians on both men and womens side try to instigate hatred on both young men and women.Sure women in their 20s in korea live a pretty shitty life. But so do men. But if the young people are busy fighting each other over gender, the older privileged class can quitely secure their interests.
A true Giga Classic.
@@marciestoddard730 90%of the hard labor done by men. and most who died from the most dangerous jobs in the world are men. all born equal.
That "mens rights activist" going to a womens rights event, being rude to women he's recording, and then saying that the women he's upset are "too emotional to have a conversation" is classic gaslighting bs.
it was so clear what he was doing!!! laugh in his face. the insecurity seethes out of him
Happens every time. Unfortunately, it works. 😒
Just incels angry at women.
He was right. Women can never base any decision on logic. It's all emotional BS, or just self serving nonsense. Women view average men as disposable commodities, workhorses, nothing else.
I saw the same video you did. When was he acting rude. Maybe something was lost in translation. He was asking straightforward questions.
She said what's your greatest fear and this man really said 'gender equality'
thank goodness only asian and white women are against child-bearing because of feminism and that arabs, indians, and africans all love traditional family value and making big families.
soon the asian and white countries will be filled with indian and african immigrants, what a happy world, and islam will also prevail as the ultimate religion of the human race
nice work natural selection
No two humans are equal. If one gender says they demand equality to the richest, did they earn it? That sounds like privilege
Gender equality is a distopian concept. Men and women have privilages in their respective niches. Meanwhile gender equality is possible only when one gender costs equalising the other gender.
Gender equality is a distopian concept. Both gender have their own privilages in repsective niches. Meanwhile gender equality is possible only when one gender costs equalising the other gender.
@@starsandnobodyswhat
The fact that they already felt sexually harassed when a woman bring up toilet etiquettes shows exactly how they've never been sexually harassed before.
These men are pathetic
What are you even talking about? When did the men say they felt sexually harassed? Why would you lie about such a thing?
@@undergroundxp did you watch the video?
They never said they felt sexually harassed when that femi-nazi was going crazy about toilets.
@@undergroundxp 12:24
Why are podcast bros literally the worst in every country? We need background checks on podcast mic purchases.
Lol 😂
Because they're addicted to clout.
ik but its better if no one listens to them. freedom of speech is important even if ur stupid.
Background check? What are you? Authoritarian?
@@leahozhantortune771 It was a joke. Calm yourself.
And the government wonders why there's a declining birthrate
The world’s overpopulated a little anyway
@@Andrea-1998
*In Africa
*In india
*In china
@@Andrea-1998 yes, the world is overpopulated but in many countries, it’s predicted that the elderly will outgrow the workforce. This is very dangerous for countries as they have less people working and more people to sustain. Japan is currently starting to face this problem and many other countries will as well.
@@Andrea-1998 so let every country that isn’t black or Indian die then ? What dumb logic is that
Because of what? You see, even countries with the best gender equality, countries like FInland, Sweden, and Denmark still experience a declining birthrate within its native population
love that the political guy completely dodged the question regarding his own country & was like "looky looky those other countries are worse so look there" like just bc your country isnt *that* bad doesnt mean that ppl cant want it to get better in their home country
He won. cope
He is one of the most disgusting slime ball in Korean politics. He has been pandering to male, and quite often, incel gamers even though his party is all in to exploit young generation.
He lost lol
In fact there are no winners
That politician is one of the worst opportunist in Korean politics. He was the textbook far-left turned far-right so as you can imagine he has blind support from incels. The irony here is, his party is hellbent on exploiting young generations which, of course, include that said incels.
Your own sisters, mothers, daughters, friends, coworkers, and wives are telling you that they don't feel safe or have the ability to have the same quality of life that you do and you tell them to look at Afghanistan or Iran and say "at least your lives aren't as bad as theirs." 100% put my life savings down that they have never, and will never, care about what's going on with women in the Middle East. They'll use it to trivialize and ignore whatever issues you're speaking up about.
yeah.. girls hear this so often from korean men and boys "if you feel unsafe then go to Africa Middle East and live as a slave you deserve it!!" too often
Lmao Oman and the UAE are the safest countries in the world.
But you're complaining about not feeling safe, maybe ask yourself why those countries are safe
Yeah they’re jealous of woman
men are statistically less safe in most ways in most countries.
Imagine trivialising women's issues like that...kinda reminds me if how when men talk about their issues feminists dismiss them and tell them "cos patriarchy hurdurrr".
Is feminism dividing the country, or is it the refusal to treat people equally?
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You have to work equally hard to be treated equally.
@@diehardernxgt2161There have been several comments here that mention how because of the increasing economic inequality gap in SK, many families can no longer afford to have only one bread winner of the house. Because of this conundrum, women are left with societies traditional role of caring for the kids and tending to the house etc, while also having to now work several jobs to keep everyone’s head above water financially. So, I would say both men and women in that position work just as hard as each other, and deserve basic needs such as equal pay and everyone, not just these admirable ladies, will benefit.
Dividing the country. Like it doesn't everywhere else
It’s dividing the country. Modern feminists are a joke and cannot be taken seriously.
If you asked that politician about global warming, he would probably say "compared to Venus, we are ok, we should look at those planets first".
hilarious, indeed. Worry about your country or maybe you should go to Iran? Deflection is a great way to not answer a question.
Global warming isnt real
I get the message, but that analogy does not reflect what the politician was saying.
Exactly!!
How does it not? He was asked on how South Korea's treatment of women compare to other countries and he went to the absolute extremes (Iran and Afghanistan) to make it look good.
The fact that they called them freaks when the women asked them to be more considerate and civil in public/unisex spaces and then when the women are offended by it they act like they didn't do anything wrong and the women were too emotional and couldn't hold a conversation . If you want to have a respectful and honest conversation with someone may be start by not calling them names and instead try see from the other person's point of view.
Why are there unisex bathrooms in the first place? Why should men change what we do simply because women don't like it? Why should we allow women to dictate our behavior based on their emotional state?
That man went to that rally with the intent to disrupt and embarrass woman and he only made himself look like a horrible person.
The woman wasn't even being aggressive you can tell it was his own insecurities . He started telling people not be aggressive when they where only trying to add their opinions.
And when i tell women to take showers, im a misogynistic creep
@@kaydoeteccc7741no no just a creepy weirdo at best but the societal expectations for women to be more hygienic than men is very true. don’t defend anything this guy said
The ministry of gender equality is the one responsible for the declining birth rates? I lived in SK for a few months, and every guy and girl I talked to said that they can't even begin to imagine thinking of being married and starting a family when rent alone has doubled in the past 5 years, while wages have stayed relatively the same and the job market has shrunk because of covid and global economic downturn. It seems to be the exact same problem in japan. Maternal leaves are a bit of a joke, paternal leaves are unheard of You have to pay a fortune to live in a tiny apartment in a major city. Imagine trying to do that with kids and a spouse. In this day and age, even two incomes in some countries/cities aren't enough to raise kids. Maybe if these governments addressed that, they would be able to raise the birth rates atleast a bit
Gender equality is just a cog in the machine of the Globalist agenda my friend. This kind of economic instability is happening all over the world in order to weaken countries' ability to sustain themselves. Japan was the first to fall.
Basing your comparison on treatment of women against Afghanistan or Iran isn't a very high bar, Mr. Korean diplomat.
He’s pointing out countries that actually treat women unfairly. But I suppose when you think everything that doesn’t work out perfectly is just you being oppressed, then real oppression being experienced elsewhere doesn’t really move the needle for you.
@@austkeat Nobody said they think that "not perfect" means being oppressed. But we do want to establish a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
@armartin0003 lol. Your ideals got me labeled a creep and harrasser of women even though I never did anything wrong. It was women who actually " harrassed" me. They are the ones who were kinda relentless in their flirting. Funny how at the end of the day, the thought of them being creeps or harrassers never seems possible in the minds of people, but with me, an innocent man,- it's on record even though no such evidence exists.
All you gotta say is " he makes me feel uncomfortable. ". That's a weapon women use against men unjustly.
@@armartin0003 "estalish justice, insure domestic tranquility, promote general welfare, and secure the blessings of lierty to ourselves and our posterity" just to be clear, those are common issues found in feminism? I'm just wondering, what privileges do men have over women, as in, something that a man is guaranteed to enjoy, that a woman cannot, in modern societies? Talking about north america, europe, etc, basically anyplace where women have the same rights as men.
If he was going to play whataboutery, he could have pointed to North Korea. I wonder what that says of his opinion about the rights of women in North Korea?
The fact that he thinks the woman telling men to take more showers and pee with the door closed is sexual harassment... I mean it wasn't a very intellectual statement but please, this man wouldn't survive 24 hours as a woman if he's insulted by that. Maybe talk again after you've been groped and threatened in public without anyone lifting a finger to help you. Or after you've been harassed by a coworker to the point you dread going to work. Then let's talk again about what sexual harassment is and who are the emotional ones.
The guy was trying to prove a point about how easy it is for women to claim sexual harassment
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Speak English please
@@MsDragonbal776 exactly
I think there two aspects
One is women actually going though it and other is a false claim.
The one who committed should be in jail, but the false cases should be stopped.
Yes, I'm sure that having a podcast complaining about women and harassing them IRL will bring harmony and make them want to "increase the population" with you. 🤔
The interaction with the woman who spoke about the showers and bathroom was one of the most insane instances of gaslighting I've ever seen. I thought she actually gave quite a lighthearted answer to NOT start a fight and then that stupid guy accused her of THREATENING him?? What the actual hell. I'm sure he thought he was "turning the tables" because he feels that women "over" accuse men, but it turned into just another instance of men harrassing women in a roundabout way.
Feminism cancer
this. like it was totally a troll response. then she sounded more serious about the peeing with an open door thing. How comfortable do you have to be to do that without fear of getting assaulted by a weirdo while your junk is swinging around?
I believe that Korea is quite different than the US. In the sense that in the united states you can insult men comfortably, harasss them and portray them as pigs, while in Korea, men are not willing to accept such non-sense. Beyond that, she is responsable for what she says.
@@aliciabasirexactly. That is why women can give false allegations and not face any consequences when they are found not guilty. While the man has already been fired and name dragged through the mud.
That guy times 20million is South Korea. I'm fxxxx ashamed of those guys.
It’s not feminism what’s splitting the country, it’s sexism
It's feminism.
. Absolutely
It's idiotism.
True. Women can vote but can’t be drafted in a war. Sounds pretty sexist to me.
men are literally drafted are oyu insane.
Reporter looks low key pissed at this whole situation.
yeah I would be too. I would not have been happy with giving these men the light of day. These are the kind of people you cannot engage. I feel like there is nothing you can say to change their minds.
@@maria-wu7us feminism is cancer
Vice reporters unfailingly bring their bias into every single video they make. It’s just so obviously partisan that it turns off everyone who doesn’t already agree with their views, which creates an ideological echo chamber and further damages political discourse and divides our country.
I would do the same. Especially as the reporter you couldn't said your true opinion and piss them off
@@L16htW4rr10r she shouldn’t have been a reporter then F off
When one is so used to privilege, equality/equity feels like oppression.
Ah yes, the equal 30% pay gap... the highest of any developed nation. So privileged they are.
But it's not equality/equity cause there is still a hierarchy those men will get theirs and go on as usual most of this are men who couldn't compete in any of these times. It's affirmative action from loser men.
@@globalzox what?
@@globalzox the ideal is that should be closer to zero
A lot of these guys who don't like feminists are just clout chasers.
They see women who are upset. And they see this as an opportunity to harass them for fun.
In their heart, they see women as inferior. Or as objects. And they've done this same thing to other men who aren't "macho" as well.
That man is a walking red flag, even the way he laughed after being called out… I’ve seen too many dramas to know exactly what that laugh means!
“I watched so much fictional media, it really shows how reality is! you dont have to be present in reality just watch more soap operas and K-dramas!”
@@Chawkes420 for real bro 😂😂😂 that comment was really just ironic to read.
South Korean Andrew Tates. Now I've seen everything.
Sadly it's not South Korean women who think so too . I'm South African and I also don't want to get married. As some of you may have heard domestic violence in my country is very bad . It's so bad that women die daily from it. It's like why do I have to sacrifice my life so that I can make society happy and not benefit anything from it except bruises or maybe a coffin.
Ok, but generally more ppl die in car accidents and we don't stop driving or riding cars. Why would you allow statistics or numbers to influence you to such a level, you refuse to marry if you wanted marriage?
@@yasminea7149 I know the violence. I grew up in it and I live in it. Maybe you where lucky enough to not experience it but some of us have seen the pain it causes. My grandfather did it , my father did it, my uncles did it and my aunts live it. It's the phone calls my mother gets when my uncle has beaten his wife and everybody is doing nothing about it. It's the news reporter talking about the woman who was burned alive by her partner or maybe the other one who was stabbed to death. I believe you must now get my point. I chose not to get married because of the trauma I have. I have nothing against marriage. Most my friends talk about it and guess what, I support them. It's not about the statistics or whether you can die from a car accident or a robbery. For me it's about taking a decision to spend my life without a partner because I can not offer what is needed or take what is given. I hope this answers your question 🙂
@@yasminea7149 imagine there's a box with a hole and you don't know what's inside. Someone tells you it might have dangerous bug in there or it could be just empty inside. The chance is 50/50. Would you put your hand in there 'hoping' there is no danger when you can simply ignore the box? And why should women put their hands in there when they have a choice?
I feel sorry for women in your country
@@yasminea7149 What kind of illogical response is this?? Dying in a car crash and dying at the hands of an abuser are very different things and not a point to be compared on. A car crash crash is an accident most of the time, domestic violence is on purpose.
@7:55 Wait. So, not trying to put words in his mouth, but is he saying that the reason why they're abolishing the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family is because it's negatively affecting birth rate? In other words, they're more concerned about birth rates than women's rights?
Yes
@@firecracker3911 😨😩
They don't care about women's wellbeing, only concerned with how many babies they can pop out - to keep the system going, more lending for banks, more people to sell diapers and baby formula to, more home/car loans, and so on...
Well yeah, same as in America.
"Birth rate" is just a convenient excuse to push through whatever policies you want. It's pretty clear this move will have the opposite effect though. Gender disparity is one of the driving reasons women are choosing not to have children
as a Korean-American woman living in South Korea, this issue is a big reason why i don't know if i can continue to live here. so many deep societal issues. this is not to say other countries DON'T have similar issues, but the problems are huge here and we're so behind in so many ways.
Why not just move to a Western country? Worry about yourself and let go of that sinking ship of a country, no offense..🤨
Islam is your solution. Not liberal athiest who have no idea between right and wrong.
Unless you have feral criminals running around and robbing family businesses, a corrupt government that kills its own people, and a brain drain... you really have no reason to complain, Miss.
America isn't that different, though. The FBI literally put red pill and other American misogynistic groups on its watch list recently because of the increase in gender based violence stemming from their rhetoric. There's a group that call themselves r@pecels that believe r@pe shouldn't be illegal.
@@vklnew9824 looks like you escaped the psych ward recently
as a korean adoptee, i know first hand how korean society views women. i learned that single mothers in korea are about the most stigmatized group of people in the country. theyre basically seen as 2nd class citizens, esp. compared to single fathers. to the point where they have a whole np organization dedicated to supporting them called KUMFA. since 1990, 90% of "orphans" in korea arent parentless at all. they simply have a single mother. and whether they were widowed or their husband left or they were just a boyfriend or fling or whatever, it doesnt matter.
Even with abusive partners, they may encourage the woman to stay or get married to them if they have a child. if a women doesnt have a man around their arm, the child is viewed with disdain and oftentimes family relatives will sneakily take the baby when the mother isnt aware and secretly bring them to an orphanage where they're cut off from their family line forever. the mom can spend years and years desperately searching, but the baby is already overseas with new parents. and adoption agencies will straight up lie to couples that the child is an "orphan" or that the mother "wanted to give them a better life" when in reality, the child was basically trafficked. sometimes hospitals will even take the baby right after birth, taking advantage of the mothers state, and secretly bring them to an orphanage. and then if the adoptee wants to find the mom? well, too bad, because usually the child, if theyre on the family registry still, will have to go through the father to find them, since its a patriarchical system. and sometimes that father is reluctant to say anything or even admit the child is their dna child, like the case with Kara Bos in 2020. and then also oftentimes the mom cant see the child anyway because her new family will look down upon her for having a child out of wedlock.
A while back, I read a graphic novel memoir of a Korean girl who moved with her mom to the U.S. during the 1990s because the stigma of single motherhood was SO strong in South Korea.
Good. Single mothers destroy society.
@@MeidoInHebun 'cause the fathers failed to parent and be there for their child? And that's somehow the mothers’ fault? 😂😂 Gimme a break fruitcake, you fail to initiate cogent arguments/points. ROFL.
@@thaliabirrueta8456 title name pls?🌸
Single moms are evil. No hymen no diamond.
This poor woman.. I can see the frustration in her eyes. I live here and am surprised this topic isn't covered more in mainstream media. It's a huge ongoing thing right now, and it's been going on for awhile now.
You can tell that they are afraid of being physically attacked. Korean men aren't afraid to physically assault others in a verbal dispute, especially those that they deem lower than them.
@@blockraven22 Exactly. A lot of sexual assault cases there too.
She's supposed the be unbiased. Dog sh*t journalist.
I'm so sorry. Women everywhere need to band together to fight for equality.
Some time ago I read that it was one of only four countries with more female murder victims than male ones. The global average is 4:1 male to female. Some problems are universal, but the degree of violence against women in South Korea is uniquely extreme.
So sad this mentality is growing globally. They said the women were emotional, that the interviewee was “angry, your face is up here,” but did they not say women asking for more rights made them feel shame, anger, humiliation? Seems emotional to me. The interviewee gave a thoughtful answer, just asking men to have civic awareness, ie how they present in public spaces. No personal attacks, just what women would like to feel safer. And that’s somehow an assault on masculinity. Amazing work vice, so scary to see the parallels with western gender discussions.
She said they should shower. How is that a civil answer?
@@bogusmcbogus2637 Pretty low bar there, McBogus. These boys were there pulling the same crap Matt Walsh pulls about gender versus biological sex identification over here. They were there to be provocative and at the first opportunity act like the chodes they showed themselves to be, not have a civil conversation.
And I don't know about you but I could usually do with a shower because I do stuff that makes me sweat and stink, so not all that uncivil of a request if you want your girlfriend to be happy so she'll make you happy.
There needs to a balance line drawn. Left unchecked it will be eventually like the west when the coldness of the aircon is deemed sexist as it is too cold for women. The key is as a society where is the appropriate line. It is very easy feminism will turn into an elitist supremacy movement.
The Taliban will win we will put you back in your place femoids.
@@marciestoddard730 you make no sense as your answer.
5:11 classic case of gaslighting. This man is so emotional and sensitive. He should smile a little.
Telling people what they think is a classic mechanism for getting them angry and is not conducive to understanding them. This is not a conversation. It's purposely trying to anger them.
when she said "he's putting words in my mouth" exactly 😭 like they just went there to piss them off and then he started saying "don't use violence, don't threaten" when things got heated...... disgusting.
I am absolutely disgusted!! Especially considering how many violent crimes Korean MEN has done to WOMEN (Sex crimes, nth room incident etc). They have the cheeks to say such things proves that they are just privileged with no ability to hold a normal conversation.
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Yeah those men were clearly trying to get a reaction from her, so rude. I bet they wonder why women don't respect them
are yall serious, it seems like you just dont watch the video and instantly side with the women.
Doesnt even hear what the men are saying and just say they are "misogynistic"
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@@celestialasmr9624who cares about female respect
No! Misogyny is dividing it!
Embrace Misogyny! Curb your Feminism.
Why are you ranting over hating women when you are not even one
The politician used Afghanistan as an example😂 is the bar THAT low?? Like thats your standard bruh?
"I don't think anyone who thought about gender equality could say those kinds of things" said the man with the most boilerplate, unsophisticated, baby's-first-politics articulation of gender politics.
its a korean to english translation im pretty sure youre quoting, i wouldnt go off of how whoever is articulating
I find this to be a very asian phenomena. Total diversion of blame because of the immense social pressure of shame and saving face. It's a catch 22, and I wonder how they'll solve that
@@naturalsoundsoftheworld Women are not required to perform military service in Korea, but the males are. Try living in a different reality you wee little baby
@@notcharlie7107 Even grain of salt added for translation, I think even if the language itself was much more sophisticated, the point itself is not.
Any comments on the woman at the women’s rally who said she just wants men to stop pissing all over the toilet and to close the door when they pee? Really sophisticated goals she’s seeking here. Sounds like she’s super oppressed.
Those accustomed to privilege will often find equality oppressive.
My English is weak can you explain who is privileged please 😅
@@mangeshadbale4337 Men are privileged. When women call out inequality they have been facing for years, men get upset because they don't want to admit that they have caused it.
@@mangeshadbale4337 it hugely depends on who says the quote
Because equality doesn’t exist in nature and therefore you have to force it through oppression of one group to make it level with another group. Same reason why we in the US have to lower our education standards for black students
@@mangeshadbale4337 women
Why is the first thing the men say about the movement isn't " Those guys who are on trail should be ashamed" but " masculinity is disappearing" because women want to be equal in the work force.
The North is going to fk them up if they keep up with this bs… 😂
As a Korean(I hate that I am), I hope so
@@ILOVEJAPAN223 Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@@the_kimchi_kommandant2603 The only words you can think of with your brain cells
@@ILOVEJAPAN223 Yes. 🗿🗿🗿
Asking for equal rights shouldn’t be so hard
What you see right here in the comments is the proverb that "For those with privilege, equality feels like oppression"
You shouldn't even be asking for those rights. Complete autonomy should've been guaranteed from the start.
The right to get draft to the military. Nice.
My girlfriend went to an equal rights protest driving my car.
@@MVGAactual so because women are generally weaker and more on the emotional side they shouldn’t have equal rights?
OF COURSE HE THINKS THAT RALLY IS FULL OF EMOTION 😂
Funny how its always the people who act the most out of emotion instead of logic and common sense, who are always the first to bash other people for being ''too emotional'' heh?!
as if they didn’t start a movement solely because women advocating for womens right hurt their feelings.
I guess when you try to gin up the emotion and then victim blame them for getting mad...
He literally went to the rally because he was emotional. These are the same people claiming "men can't cry" but use having emotions as a bad thing and an insult to discredit what women are saying
Right! Why separate Brain n hurt when they work together
Title is a bit misleading. The issue isnt feminism. Its Korean men's refusal to give Korean women the respect they deserve.
They don't deserve any, the birth rates have plummeted
If its like dat,i would like to be friend whit korean men!!!
THIS!
@@jairajsinghshaktawat6593That's on the males. If they treated women with respect and care they wouldn't be declining.
Respect is earned.
That guy who says gender control freak, yea this dude is the reason why people choose feminism
14:15 "My greatest fear, is that men and women lose their gender identities, and end up being identical apart from their genitalia." He just said the quiet part aloud
Genuine question, what is the problem with losing gender identities?
Men were blessed with immense strength. Men and women can never be identical.
@@swign7528that’s what I was wondering too
The point I was making was he contradicted his first half of the sentence. It isn't about sexism, he doesn't want equal rights
@@OliverNorth9729 feminism and equal rights its not about making women and men "identical". It's equal rights.
22 year old Korean male living in Korea here. Man I am glad this video came out to start showing people this problem exists in SK instead of the usual focus on Kpop and plastic surgery.
I gotta say, seeing the disturbing messages sent to the female activist and what the male activist heard in the rally, just reinforces my point that South Korea really lacks a space for people to have proper discussions between two genders and the worst extermists of each side just goes to worsen the image of both sides which have reasonable motives behind their existence. People don't like to discuss these kind of topics offline, but even in an online space I feel that the discussions are so seperated by genders that no actual discussion is ever created. And yeah you can say the US also has the same problem but the movement for feminism, gender equality and the general discussion around the topic is more accesible compared to Korea.
Another great piece of journalism by Vice.
Also please leave any questions about my experience with feminism in Korea in the reply! I would love to have a good discussion about this topic. (again severly lacking lol)
I think South Korea has similar issues as the US, it is just in a more tense phase now. It is too new, and people haven't had time to become disillusioned with demagogues and simple answers.
Hey thanks for sharing! When you say 'worst extremist from both sides' are you referring to the blond lady? She seemed really tame imo
From the facts on this video Korean women get paid way less and more crimes against them and the right wingers saying “nah we want to keep it the same”. But thats asking to much from Korean males.
I agree on lack of discussion on fundamental issues, which would help both sides see more clearly instead of focusing on petty remarks made by both sides that driving the two genders even further apart.
Do you think korean men don't want to side with korean women because they feel that they're the superior gender? Men being superior to women exists in many cultures and I think that's one of the issues that drive gender inequality.
@TheDomi120 the whole scene petty petty stuff. I remember looking into this when I was a kid in 2017 and cringing. I'm suprised that the salt is still here, even after the site megalia died.
Like whats the point, koreans protest about prety much evetything to the point where most protests are just joke. Like at this point I'm suprised how the whole feminism anti femisim stick is still alive and kicking when it should be dead in the water.
The protest mean nothing and the anti feminist stick are just sad men with nothing going on with their lives. Like how this is even news I don't know.
Do these south korean feminists also want females to enter compulsory military training? I mean, equal rights should also entail equal responsibilities right?
usually feminists prefer conscription to not exist for either men or women, because being cooped up with just guys for a year in the atmosphere of a bunch of male stereotypes often messes with the brains of 18 year old boys.
If conscription guarantees equal rights for women 100%, I will gladly accept it. But everyone knows that discrimination will continue for another reason even after women serve in the military.
@@user-cw3dz3ls5q
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@@user-cw3dz3ls5q you poor oppressed victims, cry a little harder please.
Men are responsible for the sexism towards women. The government is responsible for mens issues. Women do not at a huge scale assult and k*ll men. Men are not victims at a large scale by women. Get out of here lol
Is modern day romance dead??? Yes. Men killed it. Tired of them.
I remember reading that South Korea was one of only four countries where more women are victims of murder than men. The usual ratio is 4:1 male to female, which is also the global average. Bucking that trend by that much, was enough to know that they have severe gender inequality.
i wonder why
@@tuckerbugeaterlmao. Yeah, stpid roastess had it coming. 😂
Only four countries where murder of woman is higher than men?
Using the fact that women are murdered at a similar rate to men as a sign of gender inequality against women is certainly a weird take. The stats I'm seeing show 54% of victims as men and 46% as women, which is pretty close to what you would expect if there were no gender bias. How is a lack of gender bias in murder victims a sign of gender inequality?
That is a very bad reasoning. The reason why that happens is that the whole law itself is very weak. The max you would get for murder is insufficient compared to the US.
Imagine complaining being scared to help a woman because you might get accused of SA. Meanwhile actually getting raped is and always has been a very real threat women face everytime they go outside
What are you talking about? How can helping be considered SA?
Lol a Woman can get assulted and I wouldnt bother helping her. They don't need Men right?
@@Walmart1 just say you wouldn’t help anyone who needed help and move on. I don’t understand why some men like to pretend to be hero’s when really they’re cowards 😂
@@Walmart1 that would be called victim blaming, not promoting awareness against SA
@@cierad.249 according to you, if a man doesnt help he’s a coward, but if he does and gets possibly falsely accused, hes an assailant? Pick and choose a lane. If feminists want true rights, they also need to be fully okay with signing up to serve in the military for two years, taking on jobs that require heavy manual labor, etc. dont get me wrong, there are some issues that are affecting women negatively, and they need to be fixed, but that’s not the only thing that the feminists truly want.
Full credit to South Korean men for NOT buying the feminist propaganda. The South Korean men understand very well that feminism is about female superiority, not equality.
Look at the facial expression of the interviewer when she is asking the questions. She looks like she wants to strangle him ahaha
As heartbreaking as this is, this isn’t surprising. People here have to understand how SK society is where it’s at today. After the Korean War and the country was in shambles, the sole priority that emerged was improving its standing on the global stage. Naturally, the only metric that SK would use to gauge this progress is the state of its economy. As a result, they only obsessed over economic results, numbers, and rankings. In doing so, they neglected the social well-being and health of its people. Basically, SK grew up too fast physically but not emotionally/mentally. So to men, they believe their perspective on entrenched norms and their privileges aren’t out of place.
But in order for society to move forward, discussions like these have to take place. So while it seems really sad to see gender conflicts right now, I see it as a critical first step to getting the ball rolling
Fantastically articulated. I completely agree. As an American woman who lived in S Korea you can see this played out.
Very well said! As a Korean American your insight is refreshing. I would like to add, this is not a young country, it has an ancient history where men were always elevated above women. I hope for the sake of all men and women we will be able to understand each other soon.
Japan has something similar going on.
All i know is their population is dropping. I wonder what will happen when the writing on the wall becomes undeniable. Nothing probably 🤷🏾♂️
As someone from a country that's often lumped tgt with SK, Japan, Taiwan, etc. as having an East-Asian developmental model, I somewhat agree with this take but I would like to highlight that this is severely depoliticised view of history. What is the reason that these countries had a lot of "economic progress" but no "social progress"? Because for most of their history, they were authoritarian/semi-authoritarian dictatorships where democratic and social movement were annihilated, and activists were targeted and even killed. How come not many people bring this up? Because these dictatorships were backed by the US/the West...
In the beginning of the video the feminist march is holding a banner with two slogans, one about women's rights, one about the length of the working day. Because misogyny is not just an issue of holding on to old patterns, it is fueled by male anxiety that's captured by neoconservative movements.
Even today, Japan and South Korea rely extremely heavily on traditional patriachal models to handle needs such as childcare, care of the elderly, aka the woman stays home or works AND takes care of the household. However, this is basically untenable today. It's basically a similar story to the West, when men feel powerless due to economic precarity and losing the traditional role of dominating over their wife, they lash out at women...
Equality feels like oppression to the privileged. That's true everywhere apparently.
Women are literally privileged everywhere. Go ahead lie and tell me women dont get things handed to them for being a woman.
When they see people struggling, they get a high out of it. Like an addict.
So, the more they struggle: The happier they get. Doesn't matter what they have to do to get their "supply."
right, women are scared of eqaulity.
Lol feminism erased mens role in society. So now men are erasing women. Blair white is a better woman than any feminist. I'd marry HIM and not you because he actually embraces femininity.
Honestly the more ppl go against feminism the more radical i become
i saw somewhere an article about radical feminism and it said that the more women are opressed in this country the more radical feminism will become popular there. I think this actually make sense
If you stay that way fine but don't complain when AI wife bots come out
and the more radical the men become.
@Black King more radical females would only encourage more radical men. Deal with it.
@@samuraijosh1595 well.. I am going to say given the slide we are on how men have treated women for ages and how they get treated by from women.. I will throw the wild guess that if all hate each other men do have way more to loose.. i do not see how much worse some can be 😘😘
I saw the Korean news today about the employment restrictions for short haired women. I hope that Korean women will be employed and paid without discrimination😢
You could say ANY kind of person is being restricted. But the news chooses to highlight women.
In south korea,
* There are parking lots for women,
* subway seats for pregnant women which are abused as women priority seat
* There are pharmacy school that only women.
This is sexist discrimination. All this oppresses men.
There's a female quota system in congress, companys and much more.
@@GaryHighFruitok male, most of the “privileges” women have are a response to 1, companies refusing to hire women in the first place and even with these laws and rules women still get pushed out if the work place by men.
Second, any parking lot, busses, space you just mentioned exists because men have a problem with a*sulting women literally everywhere. Womens trains and parking lots got introduced after cases of men harming and r*ping women in them at such a large scale women were given their own.
Men are not victims of this s*it. Men are the problem of all these “privileges” if you or any man thinks what you just mentioned is discrimination then you have never been discriminated against in your life.
“Don’t be threatening,” he says to a person standing almost completely still. Please I know these people and their mentality are harmful but they’re so pathetic it’s almost hilarious.
6:36
Another common grievance I've heard is that when they go to a doctor for a health concern. And what they say isn't taken seriously.
Such as abdominal pain.
as a korean woman, when i went to a doctor for extreme fatigue (i couldn't stay awake for more than 8 hours a day), he laughed in my face and told me to go home and rest.
Thank you so much for covering this vice! Very informative
Nah it's mostly Pro feminist propaganda.
@@TheEverFreeKing it's an interview of "men's rights activists".
They keep bringing up all the problems that feminism supposedly caused, yet there is barely no discussion on how to fix the problems this uproar is happening among the women demographic.
The last line "My greatest fear is that men and women lose their gender identities, and end up being identical apart from their genitalia" (14:21) encapsulates the primary issue perfectly. You can easily draw logical connections to every single issue with traditional masculinity and anti-feminism (even when not under those labels) from this fear alone.
In my opinion, quelling this fear in young men and understanding its causes is a big part the way forward. I would have loved to see Hanako press further on the logic behind the fear itself, but this was great reporting and I applaud the choice to approach the topic with a larger focus on the feminist opposition.
Feminists seem to have an issue with everything traditionally masculine. That is the problem most men have with them. Every time there is a social issue, feminists are always blaming “men”, “the patriarchy”, “toxic masculinity”, or “traditional masculinity”. In other words, men! Women as a group are hardly ever handled accountable for some of the issues we currently have. Hence, we are tired of being made to feel like villains for things most of us are not responsible for.
I believe the fear is the expectation and treatment of men in relationships nowadays. We are expected to be earn a significant income, be emotionally available yet unbreakable, be always dedicated to our partners happiness meaning all our free time is their time.
That has been my experience during my last 3 relationships. One was a very long one.
Heck even for child custody and government support. The 3 friends in my circle give the cheque to their ex spouse. Two gave up completely not by choice on getting joint custody. They reluctantly accepted 1 weekend per 2 weeks. Misleading narratives or outright false accusations were brought against them. The other guy took a loan out after being with his ex spouse for 4 or 5 years to pay all her debts. She left him within a month of the loan being taken by him. He had to fight to have her make payments on the loan. She did not pay the majority of the loan.
There are some amazing women in this world. My mother, sister in law, grandmother and cousins. All of them are honest, proud, strong, intelligent and hard workers. Sadly nowadays I witness more stories of a woman taking advantage of those with no recourse or say. Also some men who mistreat women too. I lost an aunt to such a coward.
So in my opinion there is a social issue. Men are considered more as labourers. I understand a child is not conceived by only one and in the past many women were left penniless. Still no dad (not on drugs, alcohol, not violent, no criminal records, no domestic reports or anything except he has diabetes so he could maybe pass put though it has happened for 10 years) should not restricted from seeing their daughter because the mother is spiteful. Yet that is acceptable and commom nowadays. This is the reason these organizations are happening because some men feel mistreated in some cases rightfully so because of their gender. The same mother decided to move as far away as possible recently because my friend was finally given more visitation rights. It has been 3 years. He hold got 1 to 2 days every 2 weeks a year ago. He doesn't even fight or complain which days.
Anyways there are some terrible people with no hearts or kindness in this world. Even in my family I have 2 aunts and 2 uncles that I struggle to even acknowledge at all due to their past actions.
@@flaviusfake271 that’s sounds like a problem with the family court system. Which needs to be reformed. In my country joint custody is automatically granted, if you want sole you have to prove why. Prenups are very important in a marriage and it’s important to ensure you marry someone who makes similar money to you and that they continue to work throughout the marriage
Wishing back to the roman days.
@@flaviusfake271 That's men made problems, the main opposition to fixing those problems are other men and conservative women. Feminists are the natural allies to men who want change and equality
Korean men are deciding to separate entirely from women and blame them for this division instead of looking inward to understand how they can become better counterparts to women. There seems to be a severe lack of communication between the two groups and its causing a lot of misunderstanding. SK's problem with this isnt unique to just them, but i'm glad a spotlight is being shown on SK society. These women deserve better and the collective feminist movement will save lives.
@Unrnud if you like sleeping with women and seeing children then you better rethink that position son
Meanwhile Men in the West are suffering because Femenism has gone too far. Men lose custody battles and are forced to lose their assets at devorce. Asia and Africa simply watched and said No thanks.
Sorry
Miscommunication, agree
Egalitarianism is not = Feminism. Thank you
But too many contradiction in your statement.
It doesn’t help that the average woman doesn’t view the average man as attractive enough to be in a relationship with 😅
@saltyatheist TY❤
that Vice reporter is a saint. trying to reason with overgrown teenage boys is like trying to teach a toddler not to eat crayons.
except they were calm
and rational unlike the feminists they tried having a conversation with in the video
@@gforce97 calm and rational? you must be one of them.
@@jones2277they were calm and rational
#KevinSamuels' #SIGNlanguage always applies:
Shame
Insult
Guilt
Need to be right
R.I.P.
The documentary is good but the reporter is too biased to give a true perspective on the issue. She's literally pro feminist. Her narrative makes the anti-feminist look bad. I feel she left out a lot of details in purpose to push her own narrative. This topic required a reporter who is neither a feminist or anti-feminist to get the truth
Vice would never be truthful.
South Korean Government initiatives to raise the birth and marriage rate are going well I see
It's the women who are lowering it.
@@Walmart1 and for good reason.
@@Walmart1 And? It's their right to decide whether to have children. Otherwise it would be lowering them to second class citizenry.
@@ulfricstormcloak3657 Avoiding conscription in SK is criminalized for males. But females aren’t obligated to serve in the military. Also they’re free to give birth or be childfree. So that’s a question who’re second class citizens…
@@ulfricstormcloak3657 Pretty much. If they don't want kids and would rather focus on a career:
I'm okay with that.
South Korea should just prioritize the people who want kids. That way, everybody wins.
So, if I understand our friends at Gender Harmony correctly, women asking for equal pay + personal safety = Feminism. Basic human rights are "Feminism" now apparently.
That is what feminism was originally. The ideas of first and second wave feminism are focused on gender equality. Modern forms of feminism, third and fourth wave, are focused on changing social views and preexisting ideas. At its core it has always been about equality.
I think it’s always been that way, actually. It’s very interesting.
Blame your lack of safety on the psychopaths in the wrld not normal men and its illegal to pay men more than women
Yup and their wannabe hero, wants to "protect" the women. From what? What is there to protect them from but other men? I guess he wants things to stay that way?
Safety isn't a right
I think that the intersectionality of income inequality (rich vs. poor) and gender dynamics play a key role in this potential anti-feminism. Historically, men have been defined as "the provider" someone who is the breadwinner and protects their family. As the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, average [men] are unable to buy a home, raise a family. Thus, men lose this title of provider and are, as a result, emasculated in this sense. With the advent of Feminism and the struggle for gender equality _slowly_ improving the lives of women, Feminism and women become a scapegoat for misdirected anger by emasculated men. _i'm (men) losing, they're winning. They (women) must be the bad guys causing this_ Furthermore, I think the lack of empathy for women's struggle by these men undercuts any common ground they may find with Feminists as they fail to see their own inherent privilege as men. In their minds, without this [privileged] provider role, they are essentially 'nothing'.
The most logical and critical discussion right here. Wasn't expecting this in a comment section but you really nailed the points down in this one.
I'm surprised that these men have literally zero empathy for women.
Been deemed a "provider" is a cultural issue, otherwise coached social behavioral thought processes, it's not based on facts, specifically in a changing world, where brute physical strength is not a requisite for earning a living anymore....
The old traditional and often cultural ideologies need to be respected, YES! but they shouldn't be used as factual rationale by govts to make policies on gender parity issues....
@@whitey1253not surprised. Classes and groups of people while being oppressed themselves having zero empathy or even using another group as a stepping ladder is all too common.
@@whitey1253 why would you be surprised? There are even women who have zero empathy for men.
It’s just humanity not to say we should do nothing about it. But to say that there will always be people like that in society. They’ve always been. You could even eliminate all our differences and keep just one…things like that it would still happen.
I loved how reporter was so done and yet was being professional
Until women are completely liberated, feminism hasn’t gone far enough
Gender equality is pretty dire in South Korea and Japan particularly.
yes Only men are drafted into the army and forced to serve for two years. Women get extra points for college. They get extra points for job interviews, but they are still less productive.
Conservative closer minded societies valuing work more then the happiness of its own people yeah they deserve no children just as their moon ancestors fell before them
have you seen the gender equality in the USA? Women get pay less than men too, do you know what is the gender equality in Arab nations? LOL
No
No? Explain.
So the women haters are crying like victims?Doesn't he realize you can see right through his words and actions..they are displaying exactly why those women are out there!His calm tone and mannerisms don't hide his true intent
What that feminism is misandry in disguise?
Compete...play on level ground...u cant have the cake and eat it to...first try to define feminism...when u need 50% of ur husband's money after a divorce then u play victim card...if u want equal pay as a gender...work equally hard...since women in ur country no longer have babies, avg age of people in countries like Korea and Japan is going up and soon they wont have a working population..
@@universal3024 asking for equal rights = hating men?
Not really buddy...
@@universal3024 women standing in an equal space with men is not man hate ..but men not wanting them to is woman hate?What are you so afraid of ?
When did the guy say that they hate women? If you did hear it, it was around the men haters "they should take a shower, that'll help equality" 😂😂
Hypocrites, feminists are hypocrites and that's why "women haters" don't simp for their sob story unless it's actually to promote understand instead of segregation of gender.
As someone who looks 19 and gets a lot of advances of women, I chose to stay single because of the attitude women carry like a "male player" thinking that they can get and do whatever they want simply because they want to *feel* equal..... But don't want the downside of it 😂😅 they'll end up being alone with cats and blame men 😔 🐈 lol
Did that guy really get offending being told to shower more and close the door while using the bathroom? That is basic hygiene and common courtesy yet he's calling us controlling for just asking for the bare minimum. Like don't hurt us, treat us fairly and wash your butt.
I have heard and read many horror stories, from people I know too, about how minorities in general are treated as second class citizens. People of color being shamed in public, single mothers and their children being bullied by their own familes and women being assaulted and mistreated in every layer of life. At work, at home, in schools or on the street. Accounts of unsuspecting women being pulled into cars or clubs against their will is something I've heard of personally.
Of course SK isn't going under in complete visible mayhem. But the effects of what is happening will lead to further negative consequences.
And it's not like they are the only country pulling that kinda bullshit. It's all very saddening and unnecessary.
Happens in every country. At some point humans cave into their animal self
Minorities are actually aliens, so there's nothing wrong with treating them as second-class citizens.
8:30 he literally thinks equality is a discrimination against him 😭 WILD
No.. it means distorted version of feminist movement is OVER correcting the discrimination
No he's right women have gone too far across the world and need to be put in their place.
@4:43 she really thinks she’s being oppressed because men piss on the toilet seat and don’t shut the door when they pee 🤣
Equality is equality.
But feminist's equality is a discrimination against male.
Actually, real equality is claimed by men.
@@iranjackheelson sure buddy, continue the monologue on 4Chan ❤️
Everyone wants to blame the problems of capitalism, such as recession, and the absolute requirement that we fill in the supposed labour gaps with new sources of labour while trying to underpay them - on everything and everyone except capitalism. Let's blame women for wanting equality in the workplace. Let's blame gays for having a marketable demographic. Let's blame liberals for the fact that an automobile requires a fraction of the man-hours to create than it did when the industry was at its peak. Let's blame conservatives for believing the lies that conservative politicians tell them about "bringing jobs back" while at the same time taking in money from the industries they surrender to regulatory capture. But let's never blame capitalism itself, because otherwise we might want to, you know, adjust it or move beyond it.
Thank you! They-the corporate leeches just want us to fight like this.
And I fear they're winning. :(
by design...thats why any form of social system is seen as communism. even vice isnt innocent with their neolib takes. both sides fight to the death while the top 1% laugh their way to mars
You're absolutely right. Communism is the answer. Please go spread the good word to the S. Koreans. I'm sure it'll go over well with them.
It’s literally the poor vs the rich! Everything else is just noise
@@twofortydrifterthat’s hilarious 😂
Then draft these womens in Korean Army too , embace equality
The first woman that talked to them simply asked for men to close the door when they pee, and the guy in a coat completely lost his marbles, called her a "gender control freak". I bet he's the kind of person who can´t take any criticism at all.
Yeah but if a man asks a women to cover up or do something with their hair in the US you know that’s going straight to HR. It’s the same crap.
@@QQQ-eo2gpcomparing with hair??😂
These mens activists have taken lessons from the alt right in the US. Its blatantly obvious, cutting clips out of context with 'I got u' music, making small insults if you can even call them that sexual harassment and blowing it out of promotion, going into other people's protests agitating them. Such a shame
I am Swedish and not Korean but that part really feels true to me 👀 Because right here, people will complain about metoo and CRT and drag queen story hours and all that, with the exact same buzzwords and everything, and then call you americawashed or whatever if you respond with the same arguments that people use against the same rhetoric in the US -_- Say what you want about both American parties being the same and all that, but I really feel like what went on in the US from the 2016 election forward has made bigots all over the world WAY too comfortable.
Wow you really sumarized what they're about well.
Those two so called mra s were just ...embarrassing.
Women movements have massive backlash in Asian countries, but probs to them. Chase your dreams/careers while being respected/safe. Till then soldier on…
@@marciestoddard730 That there's levels to this.
Yeah take the bag without any responsibility. Meanwhile in SK men are forcefully drafted for 2 years, expected to be bread winners for the family, don't have protection against r@pe or DV, etc. Truly the femenist agenda of absolute gynocentrism.
The women movement is oppressing men.
So men are resisting the movement to live.
feminists call this resistance backlash.
Of course it has. They'll take women highlighting important issues as an attack instead of getting mad at those men creating the issues these women are speaking on.
@@marciestoddard730 99 percent of brick layers are men. Should we equalize that?
Ministry of "Gender Equality" and Family is an official english name, but an actual name of the ministry in Korean is Ministry of Women and Family.
I was wondering why there should exist one ministry that supports women and families. It seems that men or father are excluded.
The fact they would avoid even helping a woman tells me everything I need to know and understand why these movements exist. Men are always put before us, even in our own private spaces and sports they would protect biological men who claim to be women in those spaces over women or finding real solutions to make everyone happy. I heard men say that they don't care that women in NY or other places are getting beat up, they often mock women, especially those who are older or struggling, etc...we just wanted to be seen as individuals and to feel safe. We're human beings too, not property and remember that your mother gave birth to you, women gave you life.
I see why the fertility rate is low
The reason Korea has a low fertility rate is because they don't get married. The reason for not getting married is that the man is short of money and the woman is because the man is short of money.
@@nopvaSo you're saying the main problem is housing costs?
economy and toxic work culture. Japan is extremely famous for deadly working culture but not a lot of people know for example that Korea scores much higher than Japan in that regard.
you really see with the example of south korea that economic prosperity and growth doesnt equal a socially developed society
In countries that develop rapidly, the minds generally fall behind that progress. Seen everywhere. I am from Turkey and Turkey is such country as well. It has rapidly been developing and this has caused a lot of generational gap between younger and older people here.
Especially given the fact that Korea has an aged society with more elder people, it is clear why their social development did not follow the speed of their economic development.
The reporter is clearly a feminist and narrated this entire report as such.
Feminism was always meant to divide country
My thoughts exactly
South Korea should conscript women in to the military, it's only equal, and women are just as strong as men.
We wish lol, soft giants are sweet
@@Andrea-1998 can you explain what you just said babe
@@yagovmolotov5127 It’s utter nonsense that we all act as if we’re just as strong as men, it’s not the case and it’ll never be because nature always intended males and females to be different. We’re stronger in certain areas in comparison to men, but men succeed in some areas we aren’t great aswell so it’s fairly 50/50. And with “soft giants are sweet” i meant strong men who are fairly soft from the inside, they’re truly the type of men who i see as strong as they don’t act all macho and arrogant to show over their masculinity and strength as they don’t have to boast and flow naturally. I myself believe that drafts everywhere should be abolished and that the fact that only men are expected to go through that is unfair and discriminatory, but i do still think war is more of a man’s game. I suggest we put the draft for all politicians and other leaders that start the wars, not the ones that fight it.
bro this sounds like some toxic intel vibes from these dudes lol
Did your wifesboyfriend allow you to comment on these video?
@@ludwigjosh9619 are you having fantasies about being a cuck?
most "men's right activist" do what they do because they are incels and without the patriarchy they know women won't accept their mediocrity.
@@ludwigjosh9619 sorry who are you ?
Absolute power without responsibility is dangerous.
lmao what
women are privilleged in south korea
Looks like someone needs to do research
Blaming the victim is one of the first reactions / techniques men use when women stand up. It is a defensive reaction from the ones who are asked to share power. It is part of the process, keep pushing through it, keep exposing the patterns by seeing what the process has been in other countries.
But those Koreans men go mandatory military until women have mandatory military in Korea then fine
so true !
But aren’t you..victimizing yourself? Just like how these men are? Who are you to say ones more legitimate than the other?
@@FamilyIsGonenah lol😂 if women go they are going to get sexually harassed.
@@roxyglow9670excuse?
We've simply moved away from what we used to have, fighting for what is right from what is wrong, to now fighting to satisfy our grievances and resentments in life. I'm a man, and in that split second that they went to ask questions in the womens rally i could see them react to instantly react and harass that lady, yes she was a little petty but not wrong, as a man this is the time to be gentle and understanding, not turn and say "gender control freak", and that's where they lose what little sensibility as a male movement they aren't leading men but misleading
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No way a male movement can progress without taking away from women.
@@dclarke2179 bruh they can progress its even written in history and built around your surroundings, and without taking anything from the opposite gender..
@@dclarke2179 All of civilization is a male movement, lmao
They not going to give resources strictly to men in this time and era. It's going to be seen as taking from women.
[Laughs In Kim Jong-un]
This seems like exactly what's going on in the West, except it's mostly done in online spaces for now. I suspect these tensions will hit the streets in the US soon.
as a south korean living in america now, this conversation is so desperately needed in the country -- unfortunately, i'm not sure how much will change. south korea has spent thousands of years being steeped in confucian ideals which emphasizes the individual roles and responsibilities of people within their gender, and expectations and how it influences the groups and environments in which they belong. many koreans my age (mid to late 20s) are surprisingly not as progressive on ideas such as gender equity.
Where do they start from anyways? Like America had it's civil rights era a long time ago, and so various movements have built off of that since then. Has Korea, or East Asia in general, had anything comparable?
But genders should be generally responsible for their roles
@@raafeyplayz7015 you don’t get to tell us what to do. Continue dying off in despair like most men…. Leave us alone.
South Korea needed a revolution that downloaded Confucianism
Women are not required to perform military service in Korea, but every male is forced to. You can talk about ideas all day long, but you forget about the war, the DMZ, and the state of the world's political agendas at play already while you live not only sheltered, but privileged to come to America as a foreigner. You smell your own farts and think it's fresh air.
Damn I'm not even a progressive but the dude going like "you can say whatever you want" and the girl responded with anything (albeit a bit ridiculous) but centering on civic awareness, and he was like "oh look she's angry!" like he didn't put the words into her mouth. Listen to yourself bro. The fact that the women actually have data backing them up while the dudes rely on personal experiences (e.g. statistics on how they feel toward being a discriminated), but still have the gall to say that the rally is very emotional. It's all very hypocritical.
Yep, he needs to look up the definition of discrimination vs prejudice. They are not the same.
I happens everywhere, that’s why being a real man is listening and trying to help as many people you can, not just the people like you but also those you can’t understand 🙏🏾. Love from Kentucky
Because acadamia is dominated by feminists which is why there is tons of data for women's rights and almost nothing for men's rights. This is why they have no studies, but have to rely more on anecdotes. How are you not aware of this?
@@popdavid-dd4lx a real men isnt obligated to protect man haters
@@gforce97 So if your wife daughter and mom hated men you wouldn’t protect them if they are getting assaulted?
Men talking about how men have to go to military and not women; just WHO do you think made those rules in the first place?
Wow! I’m shocked at his similar the tactics of the Korean anti-feminist movement are to the American anti-feminist movement. I guess it’s proof these tactics work.
except american anti-feminists are nowhere near powerful enough to get a president elected like south koreans did
Yeah, Iran and Afghanistan totally are the norm a "developed" country should aspire to lol
Considering how many times you can hear the word "feminism" even though the speakers are speaking in Korean, it shows that Feminism is such a foreign concept that there is no word for it in Korean.
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Huh? No, it’s just a loan word like any other word that was derived from other languages. The word for ‘computer’ in Korean is also ‘computer’ but that doesn’t mean it the entire country is unfamiliar with technology. As a Korean feminist I just felt I had to clarify, feminism has been a thing for quite a while here. Even movements such as the MeToo movement gained a HUGE amount of traction. Definitely not a foreign concept.
Erm no. Its just a loan word. Like the word shower or hamburger or phone.
Korea has a lot of loan words to the point where it’s embarrassing (they think it’s cool). Not every aspect is anti-feminist and you’re just splitting hairs.
That's nothing, in English we don't have a word for it either, and have to use the French word.
MYSOGINITY IS DIVIDING THE COUNTRY
Any false claim that goes unpunished is a significant amount...a innocent man is thrown in prison
he doesnt want to be treated the way he has and will treat women. he is disgusting. KEEP FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The vice reporter really felt uneasy during those interviews with these men who were fully convinced of their views. Guess she was really concerned
I would too if I was her.
let’s hope the guy didn’t put a tracking device in her purse. what an effing creep
@@jkim-ph1ds Where the hell does this accusation even come from? All because he wants harmony between men and women he's now an "effing creep" who would "put a tracking device in her purse". Calm down with the ridiculous accusations. It's like saying let's hope the lady he interviewed doesn't secretly murder men. Such an outlandish claim.
@@kaiparker1756 feminist at it finest, jumping to extremes for no reason like wtf 😂
@@jkim-ph1ds wow nice imagination.
korean president sigma chad
5:06 5:38 Are these guys for real? All they’re doing is harassing people and purposely trying to start a fight. Yet they really think they’re doing something. Lmao
Didn't she was trying to moke men
It's just an observation but feminists are most ugly ,loud , obnoxious people I know