I dont agree 100 percent with everything Hardin says, but the "scapegoat" theme mentioned is important and needs a greater explanation to hear what Hardin is saying. It comes from mimetic theory by Rene Girard and is well explained in Girard's book "I See Satan Fall Like Lightning". The foreward in that book is a sufficient summary, may wet the taste buds to keep reading. The single victim mechanism is about the crowd killing/rejecting the one for the sake of the many, in a mythological sense of peacemaking. Its about blame, and religion building. It doesnt work e.g. Jews and Romans killing Jesus to end His teachings, but the Trinity uses this to cut covenant with us instead, and we participated by "taking of His flesh and blood."
It all comes down to the character of God... no writer of inspired text believed that God would torture someone forever. That is so far outside a character of love and justice that it boggles the mind that Christians actually believe this lie about God. But in order to reach immature, child-like human beings, God would sometimes use harsh threats of punishment to bring them inline with his will. This is even what adult human parents do. We sometimes threaten dire consequences if our command isn't followed, because we know that the pursuit of disobedience could lead to something even worse than punishment!
Extremely insightful, thank you very much. I agree with the need to forgive even the most evil sinner and definitely agree that this is precisely where forgiveness ist hardest and Most neccessary. However, I also believe that recognizing the full depth of the evil of someone is neccessary to be able to forgive that person. For example, what would it mean to truly forgive Hitler? I could only speculate that it begins in deep contemplative prayer but also includes the willingess to sacrifice what is needed to rectify his sin. How would one go about that? Thoughts?
Bro if god wrote the Bible, then why didn’t he WRITE THE BIBLE. God was living on the earth, and didn’t write a single word? If it’s so important to believe that the Bible is god written, then why didn’t god just write the Bible
@@rosalina9768He did. He just didn't dictate it. He moved within it's human authors to inspire its words. Just as Christ is 100% human and 100% divine, scripture is also 100% human and 100% divine. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
8:40 Bro, what? I’ve never heard someone contradict themselves so fast. 😅
This seems pretty incongruent with liberation theology & the cry of the oppressed against their oppression. Boo
Focus more on George MacDonald. What he says about mercy and justice is spot on.
Very interesting
Hardin said he doesn’t think God wrote the Bible. Does he still affirm He inspired and breathed it?
No pre-modern Christian ever claimed God wrote the Bible.
Did he just call Hitler a scapegoat
No, hitlers name is often used to scapegoat others.
I dont agree 100 percent with everything Hardin says, but the "scapegoat" theme mentioned is important and needs a greater explanation to hear what Hardin is saying. It comes from mimetic theory by Rene Girard and is well explained in Girard's book "I See Satan Fall Like Lightning". The foreward in that book is a sufficient summary, may wet the taste buds to keep reading. The single victim mechanism is about the crowd killing/rejecting the one for the sake of the many, in a mythological sense of peacemaking. Its about blame, and religion building. It doesnt work e.g. Jews and Romans killing Jesus to end His teachings, but the Trinity uses this to cut covenant with us instead, and we participated by "taking of His flesh and blood."
It all comes down to the character of God... no writer of inspired text believed that God would torture someone forever. That is so far outside a character of love and justice that it boggles the mind that Christians actually believe this lie about God. But in order to reach immature, child-like human beings, God would sometimes use harsh threats of punishment to bring them inline with his will. This is even what adult human parents do. We sometimes threaten dire consequences if our command isn't followed, because we know that the pursuit of disobedience could lead to something even worse than punishment!
Extremely insightful, thank you very much.
I agree with the need to forgive even the most evil sinner and definitely agree that this is precisely where forgiveness ist hardest and Most neccessary.
However, I also believe that recognizing the full depth of the evil of someone is neccessary to be able to forgive that person. For example, what would it mean to truly forgive Hitler? I could only speculate that it begins in deep contemplative prayer but also includes the willingess to sacrifice what is needed to rectify his sin. How would one go about that?
Thoughts?
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www.youtubedotcom/watch?v=X6LMo8E1agI&t=77s
"I don't take the bible as written by God." ... Now that's very problematic I'm afraid 🙏... Still loving your work though so keep it up 🙌✝️✨️
Bro if god wrote the Bible, then why didn’t he WRITE THE BIBLE. God was living on the earth, and didn’t write a single word? If it’s so important to believe that the Bible is god written, then why didn’t god just write the Bible
@@rosalina9768He did. He just didn't dictate it. He moved within it's human authors to inspire its words. Just as Christ is 100% human and 100% divine, scripture is also 100% human and 100% divine.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.