If they get rid of wrist braces then shouldn't they get rid of two-handed bowling as well? Doesn't two-handed bowling also help you keep your wrist cut and keep you under the ball longer and create a whole lot more revs? Sure. You still have to have accuracy, but if you have that two hands surely gives you a big advantage with power speed and revs.
Stange the PBA is worried about the wrist brace yet allowed the 2 handed bowling, biggest error they ever made allowing that style of bowling at the PBA level.
My 14 yearly daughter uses a 14 pound ball with ease throwing 14-15 mph but she can't cup the ball and losing out on the revs she needs to improve. She is less than 100 lbs and averaging 173. Just ordered her a wrist positioned to train her on her wrist position. I wear one, not because I want to but the strain and pain without it is terrible and completely prevents me from bowing.
In my opinion this is just a really stupid rule shouldn't be implemented. Any argument about unfair advantage is BS because up until 2023, every single bowler has access to buy a wrist support with metal and use it to compete. Meaning you can just as much ability to take advantage of it as anyone else. Not only that, but I really don't believe putting on a wrist brace makes a very strong consistency increase. Sure it helps a little. But it's not as if you just put one on and you're a strike machine like some people make it out to be. Wearing a wrist brace doesn't make you more accurate or make you more speed consistent or make the lane play any easier or make you have the same axis rotation or tilt even from shot to shot. The game still requires you be an excellent shotmaker, this one tiny little increase in consistency can also be done by adding almost any other accessory. Why not also ban any wrist device if they provide an advantage? Why not ban wrist or finger tape? Or ban knee braces? Or ban gloves? Or ban two handed bowling? Or ban fingertip grips? Or ban thumb switch grips? Unless you want to just make it so everyone bowls with one hand with three traditional holes and nothing in them and nothing but clothes on your body, you are at some point in one way or another allowing bowlers to use some sort of accessory in order to aid them in throwing the ball and increasing their consistency. That's the point I'm making here. I see this as too subjective and arbitrary, and I havn't seen enough evidence to suggest that a restrictive wrist band really makes that much of a difference. I've worn complete wrist braces before and I can tell you I can still manipulate my rev rate, rotation, and tilt. I would want to see a full comprehensive study on this before making this a rule. Hell majority of the bowlers I see in leagues don't even use wrist guards, and the ones i do see using generally aren't even very good (like around 170 average, nowhere near good enough to be on the pba). What's the percentage of bowlers that win pba events that wear wrist guards even? I can't imagine it's more than 20%, if even that high (I really think it would be 5-10 guessing). I respect you and your opinion JR, but I disagree with you on this one.
Zero bowlers on tour that have any success use them but you’re missing the point behind it. I’ll do another video addressing your comment. Too much to type
@@Tenpindoctors You kill your own argument with this statement: "Zero bowlers on tour that have any success use them". This is what I was taught by 3 separate professionals as well. They limit you, not give you an advantage. However, get rid of interchangeable shoes, knee and elbow braces, grips and thumb tape (all of which affect/aid proper release) and maybe I'll agree with you.
@@jefferydaniels6717 no that makes no sense. None of those other things lock you into a better position. They don’t automatically correct bad technique. That’s the point
Currently using a wrist brace, and have been for most of my bowling career. my wrist strength is more then strong enough, no injuries whatsoever. But i fail to generate any sort of revs without a wrist guard. Followed a clinic of 3 days somewhere, and had some sessions with 2 coaches but none of them could fix the issue of not having any revs. Putting the brace on makes my thumb exit faster (or that's how it feels to me) and gives me some free revs. I'm still a rather low rev player but at least i have some that way
I just bought a Brunswick Bionic brace a little bit ago and haven't used it yet. Ive never actually heard of anyone having any issue with someone using one. It was the advice my dad gave me a while back because he took a look at how I throw and said it would definitely help. Unfortunately dad passed away a couple months ago and I am picking the game back up as a comfort to myself and because dad and I always loved the game. I can say this for sure. Knowing I am using the very same brace dad used is also something of a comfort. The PBA may have a problem with it, but to me there is no difference between the ones with metal and without. They all provide better feel, grip, wrist support in some form or fashion so if you are going to ban one then ban them all. It can't be stated that a glove is not adding support just because metal is not involved.
I do not agree with decision to ban wrist protectors! They should outlaw 2 hand bowling watch them bowl the can cup the ball by bowling with2 hands it relievesall the pressure on there wrist!
Lol you’re a clown a cheater brace dude yeah let me just free swinging my arm and drop the ball and automatically have perfect rotation on it. You know nothing about a 2 hand technique. The cheater brace people could use the two hand if they would like to.
Lol you’re a clown a cheater brace dude yeah let me just free swinging my arm and drop the ball and automatically have perfect rotation on it. You know nothing about a 2 hand technique. The cheater brace people could use the two hand if they would like to. Why don’t you just wear an entire bionic arm and eliminate the free swing that you have to do that way the bionic arm does the free swing and lock your wrist into place the whole thing will be all taken care for you might as well do bionic legs too.
Also, obviously, it’s a completely separate cheating device locked onto your body. Your other hand is your own body. It’s always the cheater brace people that talk about two-handed. There’s one clown like that at my local bowling alley. We all DUMPSTER him and laugh at him
I fell out of a celling down15 feet onto concrete floor and broke my wrist and hip. At the time I was 25 years old and had a 225 average. I couldn't bowl for 5 years after that and then I found the wrist support. I'm 68 years old now and have never been able to come close to that average since then even thro I spend many more hours practicing. I don't care what the PBA does, but I pray it doesn't come to league bowling or usbc rules. This might even be illegal as it would be discrimination of the handicapped. I'm sure it will go to count soon!
But some people have permanent injures that make bowling without a positioning brace impossible If this is adopted by USBC or any national institutions then there are going to be a lot of injured or handicapped bowlers affected detrimentaly That is my concern all the fallout away from the pba
@@markcox3364 You're talking about the 1 out of 1000 that wear these braces though. And you're also talking again about people that are NOT and will NEVER be on the PBA professional tour. So these injured bowlers that require a brace as you mention don't fall under this rule. Again.. it's only PBA Tour bowlers. Won't even affect anyone in leagues.
The PBA let the horse out of the barn by not banning two handed bowling; makes these guys look like they are straight out of the bantam leagues. If two handlers are OK, so is everything else.
Nothing is more of an advantage in bowling than two handed, thumb out bowling. It’s not even the same sport. So to ban a wrist brace for a one hander is ridiculous. Way to keep more people out of the game powers that be.
I have had numerous wrist injuries over the years and using one of these is literally the only way I can still bowl and not injure my wrist. Then again, I’m simply a non-competitive league bowler and only playing for fun (no tournaments, PBA or anything of the sort). I’d be ruled out of playing if I couldn’t wear mine.
Wrist supports have always been in pro bowling. Maybe not the big robocop arm looking ones, but watch matches from the 70’s and you’ll find pros wearing the leather Master wrist brace that keeps your wrist firm, which was more of an advantage back then because “lift” was easier to obtain. If everyone can wear them, there should be no ban, and if it actually affects very few people and braces don’t allow for the super high rev rate, why ban them, because there is no advantage. I am just flabbergasted that they would ban a wrist brace but say nothing about using 2 hands.
I have Trouble cupping my wrist is Starting to hurt as I get older now so I just put a little bit of grab on it and it does help me a lot more well I’m gonna wear my glove when I’m practicing by myself only
Wearing a wrist device completely limits flexibility in hand positioning. Why would any pro want to wear a brace? I’d think if you come up against someone wearing a brace you would see it as an advantage. Limiting them seems to be unnecessary.
My opinion of this decision: Dumb. Is the PBA trying to take away what they consider an "unfair advantage" that some player's have by using a wrist support? First they took away balance holes, now wrist supports. It is so stupid honestly. The only people being hurt by both of these rules are the Low Rev Players who benefited from both balance holes and wrist supports that allowed them to compete with high rev bowlers. Is the PBA only interested in seeing high rev bowlers in their tournaments now and on TV? Really, if the PBA is so concerned with leveling the playing field and and letting only "skill" determine who wins tournaments, then what they need to do is simple: -Ban Reactive Resin balls. -Ban Urethane balls. -Ban dynamic cores in balls. -Only allow rubber and plastic balls with pancake weight blocks. -Only allow a simple Label Layout on all balls. -Bowlers can alter surface and that is all. Then the players with the greatest skill, consistency and accuracy would dominate the game. If they are not willing to do this, then stop making hypocritical and idiotic decisions.
This. This right here is the only way you can be consistent with this unfair advantage argument. Anything less can be argued against using its own logic.
I do not see any device as a advantage in todays bowling environment. If I was younger and going to go on tour I would definitely not use a device but don’t think they need to be banned.
Is it in the USBC rules? Lots of complaints from balls to wristers. It is the "visible oil pattern" that should banned first in in pro-tour!That visible oil pattern is just like spoon feeding the bowlers giving away automatically the break point.
It looks like most of the comment section is reading this incorrectly. The rule isn’t banning ALL wrist braces/protectors. It’s only banning the braces that let you lock in a specific axis rotation. My guess is that this ruling affects very, very few people
Agreed. But he did leave us with the question of whether or not the USBC would adopt the rule. I don't think they will At least not in the near future.
If the USBC adopts this rule it will only cause more leagues to stop being sanctioned. In the house I bowl in (California), all of the senior leagues have decided not to be sanctioned; if this rule rolls down to regular league play then it's likely more leagues will do the same.
I don't know why they should be "banned". Wrist devices are accessible to EVERYONE. It's not like only certain people can use them. So long as every type of device is available on the open market, everyone has the ability to have the same 'advantage'.
BS rule, but I don’t care I don’t watch PBA anyway. Cry me a river, if it’s so much advantage why aren’t more pro using them. Let’s ban two handlers also!
Exactly I have severe carpal tunnel! 2 handed bowlers who bowl high games its due to that top hand holding the ball up wich improves that makes their game better no wrist problems with them. It helps their game improves. Same thing as a wrist protector 2 handed bowling isn't skill I can throw a 250 my average is only 151 advantage huge!
I don't really care. But if I had to choose a side, I would say don't ban. Just like any sport, if it is available for everyone to use, then you can choose to use it or not.
As someone who is now able to bowl no thumb, one hand with a 16 pounds ball, but is unable to properly release even an 11 lb ball with my thumb, I think I have a unique perspective. The above fact I list as proof, that is is not simply a matter of wrist strength. For 20 years I tried to learn how to bowl with my thumb. Countless practice, lessons from different people, literally over 100 different drillings - forward pitch, lateral pitch, span change. Then I did what I should have done at first and got rid of thumb. The only way for me to sort of release ball properly with my thumb, was to use a mongoose device. But no matter how much I practiced with it, it could never teach me how to bowl without it. My problem is my hand. Maybe due to how I was born, or two broken fingers which require odd pitches, but when I grab the ball with my thumb, all the weight is on the radial side of my hand/wrist. Since switching to no thumb almost 3 years ago, I have gained a lot of of muscle in my right arm, forearm, wrist and hand. none of which help me bowl better with my thumb. I understand that there are many experts out there who would say I was doing it wrong and I could be taught how to bowl properly with my thumb. But once I started to release the ball well w/o my thumb, and could feel the weight much more in the middle of my wrist and ulnar side of forearm, it was obvious to me that with my hand as it is, I could never bowling well with my thumb. And I'm sure that despite trying every pitch, span change possible, lessons and more, there is some "expert" who is sure they know what I should have done, and is ready to tell me. Whatever, I gave up on those discussions. The rule change is logical, as a wrist device is a mechanical advantage. So for for PBA makes sense. USBC will never implement it, as many bowlers simply need to use it. PWBA - forget it. There used to be more women who used it, but they still have many. Since I can't even think of a PBA bowler who even uses such a device, this rule change is kind of irrelevant, outside of discussion of its merits. But my point is, I don't believe everyone can be taught to bowl as well w/o device.
The device with two handed bowling is the second hand. You get higher rev rate and higher ball speed. It basically takes most of the oil out of play. I have done both and find that two handed bowling is a lot easier and I get higher scores. I just feel like I'm not bowling right so I stick with my one handed traditional style.
I am new to bowling (3 months in) I have used one of these wrist positioning braces, it has helped me during open bowling or when I am practicing. I just started bowling in a league and I don’t think I will wear it during league matches. As you said and I agree, it’s a training tool and should be used as such.
I could not disagree more with the rule. Pro Bowlers are consistent regardless of whether or not they are wearing a wrist brace. That is the reason they are pro bowlers. They are not winning due to having wrist braces. I also disagree about wrist braces being "training devices." Are knee braces also "training devices?" How about tape? What about finger and thumb inserts?
I bowled with a wrist brace for years. My reason for using it was because of pins in my wrist from to repair from and accident I had when I was younger. I just wasn't able to move my wrist in a position without causing extreme pain . A couple of years ago. Some of the pain started to go away . So I stopped using it. Then i was able to improve my hand motion and release. From time to time i still get some bad pain .but it doesn't last long like it used to . But if it wasn't for me being able to use that brace. I would have given up on bowling.
This is a hard topic, because I believe it has to do with more than just revs and axis tilt. I know a lot if people that have one, lot of people that are 2 handed and a lot of people that bowl 1 handed with no supports, all are really good bowlers. I think there's too many factors in bowling to think that a wrist support would create that much of a difference in competition. You need the speed, the right targets, the right ball, the right break point, etc, and from that perspective if you're doing that all right then you will have big scores. If you aren't, then you arent and that goes both ways for all bowlers. Just my opinion and I do get the +50 revs part of your segment where EJ can't get that, and technically does take away 1 factor in tilt. 2 handed bowling however shouldn't be allowed, think its extremely unfair and takes away the skill it takes to bowl high games 1 handed.
I disagreed initially, but after hearing your reasoning, I now agree. And how many guys on tour would be affected by this anyway? 5%? Less? I think the PWBA should definitely adopt this rule too. I don't think the USBC should adopt this rule however, unless an exception is made for Seniors and those with disabilities. Too many bowlers who are just out there bowling league for fun sometimes need extra support, especially if they're injured or just have physical issues. My thoughts anyway.
I still disagree. If less than 5% of bowlers use them and it's a disability to the user it should be allowed. Anyone can use the wrist brace so it's fare across the board. All this will do is take away more people from the sport. I've seen so many bowling alleys go. We need more bowlers and I don't see this new rule helping that.
So Liz Jhonson can't bowl on pba anymore? That's a big load of bs honestly. If this was this much of an "unfair advantage", more people would use it. What's next? Can't use interchangable slide shoes?
I would hope the USBC doesn’t ban these. That would be dumb for this reason stated above. I know a couple of people who need it for the support. It prevents pain.
They only banned the ones that position your hand and have metal in it. You can still use a wrist support. If you need more to bowl without pain then you’re hurting yourself more
Listen to what is being banned….it’s not wrist supporters that help with injuries. It’s the robotic looking ones that physically keep your wrist in one position that forces your wrist to be and stay in one place.
If they do they're going to lose bowlers. It makes no sense for the USBC to take a rule change that's meant for professional bowling at the highest level and apply it to recreational league bowling.
Ive used 1 for years, Tore a ligament in my wrist had had no insurance at the time. It was either the brace or quit bowling. Im 58 now ans have been told with the damage over the years that its not fixable. If the usbc would ever adopt this rule , it would pretty much kill league bowling and bankrupt a lot of bowling alleys
If this is an unfair advantage then why isn’t two handed as well I’ve tried both. My rev rate doubles with two hand not much different than normal with brace.
@@Tenpindoctors technique is turning your wrist or coming up the back of the ball not and additional hand. I do not agree with two handed bowling. Nothing will change my mind. I’m entitled to my opinion just as you are.
I started to learn bowling as a women at age 50. I love my mongoose lift wrist brace. Not sure I could have stayed in the sport if I wasn't allowed to learn with it and use it in league. I'm a lot stronger now and throw a 14 pound ball, but I don't have the bone density or muscle mass as men, my wrist is the size of a 10 year old girl. Eileen bowling tools does have something I use to maintain wrist strength, but if they get rid of braces for women, I'll probably have to drop down to a 13 pound ball and that bums me out because the cores are not the same.
@@zekechilesbowling6699 I know, but I'm nervous they'll change it for women too. For Pros, that will be weird as bowlers like Shannon O'Keefe wears one, but the younger newer bowler trained in the more modern form, do not. And for old ladies like me, it's the only way I get revs.
About two-handed bowling? It's the first thing to deal with. He's not affected by the game causing any swelling that affects the release. Maybe the left hand has to be inserted into the finger hole
I don't understand what everybody is complaining about. It's a rule in the PBA if you're a PBA bowler you're a good bowler you shouldn't need a wrist brace to make you have the correct wrist position. If you need that you don't belong in the PBA. They are still allowing it in the pba50 tour because some of them may need it it's just the PBA tour quit freaking out. They will never make this rule for League Bowlers so relax it's not going to affect us normal bowlers.
Personally I don’t think it matters because anyone that needs a wrist brace to compete will not be able to compete with someone who does not need a wrist brace. if any advantage, it’s with the person not using a brace and using proper technique. Thanks for the video
Wrist supports that are used in order to improve technique are an issue. Wrist supports that are used in order to prevent (further) injury are not. You can use different things, namely kinesiology tape, in order to provide stability to the wrist to prevent injury without using it as a method of improving technique. It's pretty obvious that certain wrist braces (looking at you, Brunswick Bionic Wrist Positioner) are used in order to improve your technique and create a consistent release. It's used to take away a variable from the game, which is most likely why this rule is being implemented. There are numerous other devices out there that conform to the new rule (which is only at the PBA level at the moment, mind you) such as gloves and the previously mentioned kinesiology tape that provide stability for weak, injured, or injury prone wrists that don't use rigid materials.
I'm not sure what the PBA gains for making such a trivial rule. I can't think of anyone on tour who uses these types of devices. It would be a much bigger deal if this covered the WPBA. I look at Shannon O'Keefe. She's said for years that while she could bowl without her brace, a previous sports injury to her wrist wouldn't allow her to bowl without severe pain. And obviously, they're not going to make these devices illegal to bowl leagues. the sport is already hemorrhaging bowlers and needs all the people they can get to bowl. But we'll see. The Bowling Bodies that Be tend to do stupid things.
I agree with the rule. Anything that’s capable of preventing an improper release is an unfair advantage. I’m a two hander, and it would seem that many are ignorant to how two handed bowling works. We are still one handed during the release. In fact the way we generate such high rev rates is by clearing our off hand quicker. Two handed bowling still requires proper technique. We can still come around the ball wrong and have our hand in the wrong position during the release. The braces in question prevent that. My wife uses one and she can make a one click adjustment and drastically affect ball reaction without changing anything else. They do create an unfair advantage for the people using them and shouldn’t be allowed in any competition. #philplatkocoaching
I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't trickle down to the USBC level. There aren't any guys on the national tour that use one that I've seen since Dale Traber and Mike Scroggins aged out. I myself used one for 20 years and then quit using one (and I'm just an amateur) because I didn't like how restrictive they were -- and I'm a guy with a lot of tendon damage, a surgery in my background, and who nearly had to quit the game over the pain of it all. I even tried two-handed delivery for 3+ years, and couldn't make that work not because of wrist issues (going 2-handed actually helped several pain issues I was having), but rather because I couldn't generate the speed to match the increased rev rate. What fixed me was lessons -- learning how to hold the ball, fixing the arm swing path, changing span and pitches, and learning what NOT to do at various points in the swing. I've been able to transition back to one-handed (thanks Del Warren and the Kegel Training Center), my average is rising again and my arm swing has probably never been better. Now, back to what I said about USBC: Whereas the PBA has virtually no brace users on the big tour anymore (if any), the USBC is full of them. Getting rid of these devices at the amateur level would be a horrendous idea, especially for senior bowlers, and for that reason I don't think the USBC delegates would ever vote it through. What I worry about most from this decision is whether it would convince device makers to exit the market today based on fears of the devices being banned, or a stigma being attached to a banned-at-the-PBA-level device. There is also the impact on the senior and women's tours to consider, so that will bear watching. If I thought the impact of this would eventually trickle down to the USBC level, I'd have a problem with the change. But then again, the PBA is its own membership separate from the USBC, and this rule will never affect me directly until it comes down to "my" world, the mostly recreational (but still sanctioned) world of amateur leagues and tournaments.
No Metal or PLASTIC. The PBA Tour will ban wrist supports with “restrictive material” such as steel or plastic supportive bracing starting Jan. 1, 2023 (with all due respect, you said wrist strength is not an issue.) You have no idea what's it like to be 66 years old (like me) with weak wrist strength. Just cupping the ball can be painful. Now with that said, I am positive that they are no PBA members with any wrist issues. (I know the seniors are exempt) Oh here's a thought, why not allow wrist braces to help prevent injury or wearing out on the wrist joint? How many PBA pros do you know that wears the wrist support that is having an unfair advantage? And finally, Does that mean the Pro Women who participate in a "PBA" event cannot use the brace? Lot's of Women some who are Hall of Famers where them.
Wats next, ban taping of wrist n fingers? Knee supports? O agree that those young or fit can adapt or learn to bowl without wrist guard. What abt those seniors amateur bowlers? I hope usbc dun follow it..jus like the balance hole rule, in order to restrict the 5% pros..the other 95% of bowlers have to be affected
I'm a 165 avg bowler and I use it some games and it does not make me hat much better to he homest sometimes it makes me over hook the ball and we still lose against teams that don't use a brace
I’m with you on using the wrist devices as training rather than long term use. Out of curiosity what’s your opinion on using drills for a half hour or an hour straight vs 4 shots of a drill then 4 of the full approach and go back and forth. The reason I ask is when I was in high school our coach had us do a drill where we went through the approach without a ball and when we switched back to full approach adding the weight of the ball into it made timing, balance, and almost everything worse except for our steps, and I’ve seen a similar thing happen with one step or no step then going to a full approach where because of all the other variables you revert back to what you were doing before. Just curious on your thoughts about it. I get the idea of gaining muscle memory, but muscles have to interact with the other parts of your body. Wouldn’t it be different having the muscle interaction memory of a one step vs the muscle interaction memory of the full approach be different? Does this make sense
I agree with the rule for the PBA. I think the USBC needs to still allow them. My reasoning, keeping kids and older adults in the game. USBC does have their competition side, but I bet the 90% that will never bowl a tourney would leave the sport. Those are the folks that keep the bowling centers afloat. They are less concerned with doing it right, than going out and having a good time with friends. My dad as an example is 65 and has bowled his entire life (father and now brother own a bowling center). He carried a 200 average in the 70s. Now he uses a brace, and I strongly believe that he would leave the sport if it was outlawed. Anyone that is preparing to bowl the PBA, won't have one or need it.
It would be okay by me if a person with a documented physical condition needs some support. But people using them just to get more revs or to make them more consistent, the they can re learn. I know your dad did not use them in the 70's because they did not have them, or not that I know of. They are giving them a year to develop their game without them. I know several people at our house that are not going to be happy if USBC adopts this but I don't see them quitting unless they do have a disability and can not use them. That and people can still use them in open bowl to practice and get the feel. I know it is going to suck for those that rely on them and it is not their fault they was allowed to use them all these years. They should of never been introduced into competition professional or league. They should of just been a training tool. If he loves bowling and been doing it that many years he will adjust. I don't know him but I know some of us just have the bowling bug.
@@jvmiller1995 at my Dad's age, he's just old. That's not really anything to document. And Jr bowlers, really need that support to be correct, consistent and keep them interested in the game. In my area bowling is down 50% from 15 years ago. Loosing bowlers wouldn't be good.
The only issue I see is now there's bifurcation of the rules of the sport. In your golf analogy, banning of an anchored putter was for all, not just the elite players/tours, just as they did for "U" grooves that imparted too much spin on the golf ball. R&A and USGA did not want separate rules for the game. It would be interesting to have data regarding how many professional bowlers on tour actually wear positioning braces, ranking, $$$ earned, etc. to understand why there was a need to do what's been done. I'm neither for or against, but as a mere mortal, I enjoy the challenge of a game that's played by the same set of rules that all play albeit professional or amateur.
i believe sports needs bifurcation to a degree. you want to allow a large player base to keep the sport alive at a low level cuz that's where the money is made for the industry. but in my opinion you shouldnt let people compete at a high level with technique correcting devices. i think this is less of "we need to stop this" and more of "this just isnt right".
To add to your golf analogy, though, if I'm a purely recreational golfer who plays 3x a year I can use any equipment I want, including those weird tees that make it literally impossible for the ball to go anywhere but straight. I mean, who cares? My best round of golf ever was 20+ years ago when I got a 90 on a par 72 public course and I haven't played since. The USGA doesn't care if I start playing twice a year again and use U-grooves. I don't think anyone cares if a rec bowler uses bumpers in the gutters, frankly.
@@tarlkudrick1174 Agreed. Governing bodies for sports don't care what rules people do or don't abide by casually regarding the sport. Governing bodies however, are there to set and enforce standards that allow for fair competition for those who compete for fun (leagues) or their livelihood (professional tours).
If they want to use the "it takes skill out of it" excuse. Then they should bann the use of spare balls or changing balls during a tournament at all. Plastic balls take oil out of play making spares easier and needing less skill.
I don't know if this is a side move. Here in central fl. League bowling is dying. Centers pushing towards open bowling. As a 63 yr old bowler for 35 years. I'll be on my way out if USBC passes this. Golf has taken the place of bowling👍
What's the big deal, why punish the couple people that wear them to be able to complete. Let bowlers bowl the way they can. What's next, all bowlers must use there thumb, or all must not. Stupid rule
I haven't been a fan of these for a long time. Not so much from the cupping/uncupping perspective, but mainly because I've always felt like it prevented bowlers from developing good form, and wrist and hand strength which can ultimately help you more in the long run. A good friend used a brace for years due to wrist issues, pain, etc. He finally decided to go without and drop ball weight down to 14 pounds. Yes he struggled for a while but ultimately (over a year or so and with some coaching, grip and pitch changes, etc) has virtually eliminated all wrist pain, has improved his release, increased rev rate and is now even thinking about moving back up to 15 lbs. This is a person that thought his bowling career was pretty much over and was considering learning to bowl left handed.
Hi JR, have been using these kinds of devices for many years now, and was wondering as to a particular recurring problem that I have with my release.While I find they help me very much with my consistency, I also have thumb issues, with "hanging up" in the shot, seems to have a lot to do with humidity, mostly a warm weather dependent issue, but could the device be a factor also? I use the metal stuff with the dials, and all the bells and whistles. Like your video's, ball reviews and so on, keep up the great informative work, all the best.
This rule change is ultimately pointless. How many times do people on the national tour make a show using a wrist brace? Or even get a check? Are we just looking to shut out Liz Johnson? At the highest levels they hinder just as much as they help. So what's going to happen is you're going to lose a lot of your "donators" in the tournament. Most of them won't learn to bowl without a brace, they just won't bowl in the events. And fewer entries is pretty much always bad.
my question is when this rule takes affect in 2023 if a liz johnson or shannon o'keffe makes a pba final against the men on a show would they still be able to use them. or what about knee braces will they be ban alot of people that bowl on the tour im sure have knee problems i think liz johnson uses a knee brace
I’d do it! I’m 54 and a woman. I have about 280 maybe a little more. I haven’t used a crutch in over 20 years. I tried one a few years back and couldn’t even use it. I’m from Texas so it would be a super long trip to come see you.:(
Weird rule. Idk why people are so hyped up on it. Seems like a non issue. Doesn’t seem to affect anyone. I can’t remember anyone in the PBA national tour that wears one.
I think WRW used one in the 90s, but probably to promote or sponsored by them. You won't see pros use them because you can't create the rev rates you would if you had full control of your wrist throughout the release. You can only create high revs with the yo-yo effect. You can still have high revs with a brace (I'm around 400 rpm), but then you have to be pretty strong, or master a technique in the release to create those revs. Hard to explain LOL. The stuff happens in a fraction of a second. But yeah, I had planned to move away from the brace I use because I notice from game to game, my thumb swells up probably because the brace is on too tight LOL!
@@Tenpindoctors personal I don’t use one and don’t mind it. If I think about it, it could be a disadvantage to them in the long run. I don’t recall them being able to move in and shape the ball later in the night or set. Even if you look at the PWBA I can’t recall any of the younger generations using a brace. It will eventually phase it self out naturally.
As far as the PBA, I see it as a non-issue for 99% of bowlers on the national level. Basically none of them use anything more than a wrister. You see more wrist devices at the PBA Regional level, but it's still a probably single digit percentage. It's when the Women and Seniors bowl PBA events, that it will affect more bowlers. Although I do have a question. The rule seems to say that only wrist devices with rigid backbones in them. So obviously the devices that can dial in a wrist position are out. But what about something like a Mongoose, that has a removeable plate, and can be used as a soft brace. I bring up the Mongoose specifically, because it's soft body design can still be set up to lock your wrist and fingers into a cupped position, via velcro straps. It's only a matter of time before this rule is worked around, by way of simple design changes in the devices.
I use a Brunswick wrist master 2 when I bowl normally. Even with a wrist master 2 on you can still mess up a release as the wrist support does nothing for controlling how and when your fingers exit the ball. That being said I can bowl very well even without the wrist support so I will be fine even with the new rule. I do feel that the more advanced wrist supports did need to be banned though as some of the expensive ones can literally lock your wrist into a specific position making it possible for people to create shot angles that they would never be able to create without that expensive wrist support device. I don't think it will be a major problem at the pba level. If you are good enough at bowling to be making a good living at professional bowling than you can bowl without a wrist support. In lower leagues there may be some bickering from people that have used them for a long time but if you consult a professional trainer they can give you instructions on how to master the release so you don't need a wrist support. If you have enough money to have some balls drilled you can play around with what angle the finger holes are drilled at and overall layout and this may help you out as well. Less aggressive layouts are usually easier to control and better for beginners.
I completely agree with everything you said, I'm from Northern Indiana and been bowling 20 years have always been taught wrist supports as training devices they shouldn't be used in professional play and I bowl with one hand as well and look at the shoe accessories and two handed play as what makes the battle field most comfortable for you. Football players pick there face mask shoes and pads they are comfortable with same with mlb batting and weight of bats or use of gloves personal choice for what makes them comfortable within the guidelines
So if you don’t know of anyone on tour having success with a brace then it’s a non issue and a dumb rule! I guarantee that in the future rules made on tour are going to make it to league’s and amateur tournaments. I feel that a lot of other rules and dq equipment ban’s just around the corner!
I don't think they should be banned. Just my opinion. Anyone can use them. If someone thinks it gives them an advantage, then everyone can wear them or not. Personal preference. There are Asymmetric and symmetrical core ball, they are different. So does that give the bowler with the asym an advantage over the symmetrical? More Hook? Not banned.
I hope everyone can take a opinion. JR has gone out of his way to help all of us all bowl a little better. He is a PBA player and should get a opinion to how he feels with out judgement. My average is 180 ang some change. I had took 15 years off I was a 190 bowler when I left. Tonight I rolled 241, 222,235. a 697 series. Saturday I rolled 710 I don't say that just to brag even though it feels good but JR Raymond is my #1 bowling guide. He is how I am getting it done. I have a few others I like too but this is the best on the net for me. . I just don't want to see people get mad and walk out on his channel. There are only to sides you like it or you don't but no one should be judged for it. especially a PBA plyer with skin in the game.
If there are women in WPBA using them, then does this rule inhibit those type of women from competing in a PBA event? Making it an even standard for all participants.
Its the split second at the bottom of the swing that hurts, the speed of snapping your rist creats alot of pain for some people. This is a silly rule that is only going to hurt a sport that's already struggling to be relevant today. Im a younger man who sadly has a bad wrist but loves bowling and rules like this just make me feel like a pba dream is impossible now. I dont wear the glove to creat an advantage. Wrist wraps dont work like your thinking .
The Robby's and Mongoose have metal plates in them as well. So it's not just the mechanical stuff, and yes the metal can be removed from those wrist braces. But my thoughts are the PBA has opened up a can of worms on this. If USBC get's a brain cramp on this rule, they will loose bowlers. Hopefully that will not happen.
If they ban them they might word it as adjustable wrist positioners only. Hard to say. I have no issues with the people using a support that need it. Just not a mechanical robot arm that lets you make no mistakes in your release.
@@joeymful Wow. Is Jr Raymond not a PBA Bowler. Maybe he is not not a top earner but the truth is the top earners don't really use them anyway. He just told you he agreed with this rule in PBA events. I guess don't really care if it is used in league play but I just don't see why it was ever allowed in the PBA to be honest. It is far from just a support like a knee wrap or wrist wrap. Devolving the muscles and tendons in ones wrist is part of the game a pro should work on and it should matter in a PBA setting. I realize people get old and have bad joints. Trust me I am ate up witha auto immune disease. That said Pro's in any spot should be the elate players that condition their body to the sport. Like any sport you cant play at a professional level for ever. Be sides if you do not have weak wrist and you learn with theses crutches then you are going to develop weak wrist because of using it. I know of many people like that I have one on my Wed night team. He has did two videos explaining his views and I happen to agree. But hey this is America we are entitle to our own opinions. That is unless you want to say something negative about Biden. Then they just delete your comments . 🤣
@@joeymful I under stand that and it does suck for people that have true wrist issues. That's why I would not mind like the Robby's style to be left in play and unfortunately they are not. But the poisoner type you can adjust to positions that a normal persons wrist cant do with out the brace. Like tilt by caulking the wrist so your fingers are closer to your elbow. Not cupping only but the axis's tilt too. This is not easy to do and only real strong wrist bowlers that train them selves can do it. Being able to manipulate axis tilt and rotation are what makes good bowlers great great bowlers. That is why I don't like the multi positioner type. Not in the PBA anyway. Even with strong wrist it is hard to do this and get the muscle memory. It takes 60 to 100 games to really make any skill a muscle memory. Then to be able to change it on a fly is a lot of what makes the elate the best. These devises help to make this happen. Why should someone get to strap on a advantage like that? That is what I think anyway. But you are not wrong that it is going to take out some bowlers no doubt. But I also think many will be able to re learn and build the skill with out the short cut and become a better bowler. But I do see your points. I knew you was not all bad when you laughed at my Biden joke.
Good information. I currently use a positioner but have been really working on not using it. Working on my technical parts of my bowling so I can be more consistent. Thanks for the information.
The should not ban the wrist device. Ladies like Liz Johnson she used it the PBA is now going to tell Miss Liz Johnson that she can not used her wrist device? Bowling is now becoming a dying sport. How sad.
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Rule is in effect Jan of 2023 not 2022
I've already seen some of the ladies get rid of them. Sad.
@@chriskelly509 Clara G.
@@dfwait14 she got rid of it due to intentional competition that prohibit them.
Take a lesson from F1 racing..add alot more rules..and the sport is dying off..😂
You might notice that two handers don't use these devices, because they use their other hand instead of a brace. Applies to amateurs as well as pros.
If they get rid of wrist braces then shouldn't they get rid of two-handed bowling as well? Doesn't two-handed bowling also help you keep your wrist cut and keep you under the ball longer and create a whole lot more revs? Sure. You still have to have accuracy, but if you have that two hands surely gives you a big advantage with power speed and revs.
Stange the PBA is worried about the wrist brace yet allowed the 2 handed bowling, biggest error they ever made allowing that style of bowling at the PBA level.
they talk about how wrist device has an unfair advantage, but two handed bowling has an extra unfair advantage of getting more revolutions.
My 14 yearly daughter uses a 14 pound ball with ease throwing 14-15 mph but she can't cup the ball and losing out on the revs she needs to improve. She is less than 100 lbs and averaging 173. Just ordered her a wrist positioned to train her on her wrist position. I wear one, not because I want to but the strain and pain without it is terrible and completely prevents me from bowing.
Some people have had injuries, why handicap them? Anyone who wants to use a wrist brace is able to. Why limit the audience for bowling?
Dick Weber wore a wrist brace as did many pros back In the early days of the PBA. Don't see why It's an Issue myself.
In my opinion this is just a really stupid rule shouldn't be implemented.
Any argument about unfair advantage is BS because up until 2023, every single bowler has access to buy a wrist support with metal and use it to compete. Meaning you can just as much ability to take advantage of it as anyone else. Not only that, but I really don't believe putting on a wrist brace makes a very strong consistency increase. Sure it helps a little. But it's not as if you just put one on and you're a strike machine like some people make it out to be. Wearing a wrist brace doesn't make you more accurate or make you more speed consistent or make the lane play any easier or make you have the same axis rotation or tilt even from shot to shot. The game still requires you be an excellent shotmaker, this one tiny little increase in consistency can also be done by adding almost any other accessory. Why not also ban any wrist device if they provide an advantage? Why not ban wrist or finger tape? Or ban knee braces? Or ban gloves? Or ban two handed bowling? Or ban fingertip grips? Or ban thumb switch grips? Unless you want to just make it so everyone bowls with one hand with three traditional holes and nothing in them and nothing but clothes on your body, you are at some point in one way or another allowing bowlers to use some sort of accessory in order to aid them in throwing the ball and increasing their consistency. That's the point I'm making here. I see this as too subjective and arbitrary, and I havn't seen enough evidence to suggest that a restrictive wrist band really makes that much of a difference. I've worn complete wrist braces before and I can tell you I can still manipulate my rev rate, rotation, and tilt. I would want to see a full comprehensive study on this before making this a rule. Hell majority of the bowlers I see in leagues don't even use wrist guards, and the ones i do see using generally aren't even very good (like around 170 average, nowhere near good enough to be on the pba). What's the percentage of bowlers that win pba events that wear wrist guards even? I can't imagine it's more than 20%, if even that high (I really think it would be 5-10 guessing).
I respect you and your opinion JR, but I disagree with you on this one.
I agree with you 💯
Zero bowlers on tour that have any success use them but you’re missing the point behind it. I’ll do another video addressing your comment. Too much to type
@@Tenpindoctors You kill your own argument with this statement: "Zero bowlers on tour that have any success use them". This is what I was taught by 3 separate professionals as well. They limit you, not give you an advantage. However, get rid of interchangeable shoes, knee and elbow braces, grips and thumb tape (all of which affect/aid proper release) and maybe I'll agree with you.
@@jefferydaniels6717 no that makes no sense. None of those other things lock you into a better position. They don’t automatically correct bad technique. That’s the point
Currently using a wrist brace, and have been for most of my bowling career. my wrist strength is more then strong enough, no injuries whatsoever. But i fail to generate any sort of revs without a wrist guard. Followed a clinic of 3 days somewhere, and had some sessions with 2 coaches but none of them could fix the issue of not having any revs. Putting the brace on makes my thumb exit faster (or that's how it feels to me) and gives me some free revs. I'm still a rather low rev player but at least i have some that way
I just bought a Brunswick Bionic brace a little bit ago and haven't used it yet. Ive never actually heard of anyone having any issue with someone using one. It was the advice my dad gave me a while back because he took a look at how I throw and said it would definitely help. Unfortunately dad passed away a couple months ago and I am picking the game back up as a comfort to myself and because dad and I always loved the game. I can say this for sure. Knowing I am using the very same brace dad used is also something of a comfort. The PBA may have a problem with it, but to me there is no difference between the ones with metal and without. They all provide better feel, grip, wrist support in some form or fashion so if you are going to ban one then ban them all. It can't be stated that a glove is not adding support just because metal is not involved.
I do not agree with decision to ban wrist protectors! They should outlaw 2 hand bowling watch them bowl the can cup the ball by bowling with2 hands it relievesall the pressure on there wrist!
So you can't use a brace... But you can use a second hand. . . Makes perfect sense.
Lol you’re a clown a cheater brace dude yeah let me just free swinging my arm and drop the ball and automatically have perfect rotation on it. You know nothing about a 2 hand technique. The cheater brace people could use the two hand if they would like to.
Lol you’re a clown a cheater brace dude yeah let me just free swinging my arm and drop the ball and automatically have perfect rotation on it. You know nothing about a 2 hand technique. The cheater brace people could use the two hand if they would like to. Why don’t you just wear an entire bionic arm and eliminate the free swing that you have to do that way the bionic arm does the free swing and lock your wrist into place the whole thing will be all taken care for you might as well do bionic legs too.
Also, obviously, it’s a completely separate cheating device locked onto your body. Your other hand is your own body. It’s always the cheater brace people that talk about two-handed. There’s one clown like that at my local bowling alley. We all DUMPSTER him and laugh at him
I fell out of a celling down15 feet onto concrete floor and broke my wrist and hip. At the time I was 25 years old and had a 225 average. I couldn't bowl for 5 years after that and then I found the wrist support. I'm 68 years old now and have never been able to come close to that average since then even thro I spend many more hours practicing. I don't care what the PBA does, but I pray it doesn't come to league bowling or usbc rules. This might even be illegal as it would be discrimination of the handicapped. I'm sure it will go to count soon!
I wish I lived near you - I would love to do a women's bowling clinic for proper technique.
But we’re ok with letting bowlers use two hands to create higher rev rates. 🙄
Technique vs a device
Device is the second hand.
Talk about pushing out the older bowlers. Some us younger older (50+) bowlers. Once it comes from the top, it's only a matter of time it goes down.
Older bowlers on the PBA tour perhaps. Zero effect to bowlers in leagues. Also.. can't think of many Pro players that use these dumb braces.
@@32rekt62 Yeah and really can't see many scratch seniors who still use these things.
Nobody “needs” these. If you need a metal brace for pain I’d bet you’re only hurting yourself worse
But some people have permanent injures that make bowling without a positioning brace impossible
If this is adopted by USBC or any national institutions then there are going to be a lot of injured or handicapped bowlers affected detrimentaly
That is my concern all the fallout away from the pba
@@markcox3364 You're talking about the 1 out of 1000 that wear these braces though. And you're also talking again about people that are NOT and will NEVER be on the PBA professional tour. So these injured bowlers that require a brace as you mention don't fall under this rule. Again.. it's only PBA Tour bowlers. Won't even affect anyone in leagues.
The PBA let the horse out of the barn by not banning two handed bowling; makes these guys look like they are straight out of the bantam leagues. If two handlers are OK, so is everything else.
Nothing is more of an advantage in bowling than two handed, thumb out bowling. It’s not even the same sport. So to ban a wrist brace for a one hander is ridiculous. Way to keep more people out of the game powers that be.
I have had numerous wrist injuries over the years and using one of these is literally the only way I can still bowl and not injure my wrist. Then again, I’m simply a non-competitive league bowler and only playing for fun (no tournaments, PBA or anything of the sort). I’d be ruled out of playing if I couldn’t wear mine.
Wrist supports have always been in pro bowling. Maybe not the big robocop arm looking ones, but watch matches from the 70’s and you’ll find pros wearing the leather Master wrist brace that keeps your wrist firm, which was more of an advantage back then because “lift” was easier to obtain. If everyone can wear them, there should be no ban, and if it actually affects very few people and braces don’t allow for the super high rev rate, why ban them, because there is no advantage. I am just flabbergasted that they would ban a wrist brace but say nothing about using 2 hands.
I have Trouble cupping my wrist is Starting to hurt as I get older now so I just put a little bit of grab on it and it does help me a lot more well I’m gonna wear my glove when I’m practicing by myself only
Wearing a wrist device completely limits flexibility in hand positioning. Why would any pro want to wear a brace? I’d think if you come up against someone wearing a brace you would see it as an advantage. Limiting them seems to be unnecessary.
My opinion of this decision: Dumb.
Is the PBA trying to take away what they consider an "unfair advantage" that some player's have by using a wrist support?
First they took away balance holes, now wrist supports.
It is so stupid honestly.
The only people being hurt by both of these rules are the Low Rev Players who benefited from both balance holes and wrist supports that allowed them to compete with high rev bowlers.
Is the PBA only interested in seeing high rev bowlers in their tournaments now and on TV?
Really, if the PBA is so concerned with leveling the playing field and and letting only "skill" determine who wins tournaments, then what they need to do is simple:
-Ban Reactive Resin balls.
-Ban Urethane balls.
-Ban dynamic cores in balls.
-Only allow rubber and plastic balls with pancake weight blocks.
-Only allow a simple Label Layout on all balls.
-Bowlers can alter surface and that is all.
Then the players with the greatest skill, consistency and accuracy would dominate the game.
If they are not willing to do this, then stop making hypocritical and idiotic decisions.
Huh?? Are you confusing USBC with PBA???
@@preppypunknyc Regardless, you get my point.
My thoughts exactly, why make an issue about wrist devises.
This. This right here is the only way you can be consistent with this unfair advantage argument. Anything less can be argued against using its own logic.
It's not as egregious as pitchers using a tacky substances, but it does give bowlers an advantage in repeating shots.
I do not see any device as a advantage in todays bowling environment. If I was younger and going to go on tour I would definitely not use a device but don’t think they need to be banned.
Is it in the USBC rules? Lots of complaints from balls to wristers. It is the "visible oil pattern" that should banned first in in pro-tour!That visible oil pattern is just like spoon feeding the bowlers giving away automatically the break point.
It looks like most of the comment section is reading this incorrectly. The rule isn’t banning ALL wrist braces/protectors. It’s only banning the braces that let you lock in a specific axis rotation. My guess is that this ruling affects very, very few people
Agreed. But he did leave us with the question of whether or not the USBC would adopt the rule. I don't think they will At least not in the near future.
Women still can which is who uses them the most
Exactly, then why enact the rule?
You can still change axis rotation with a wrist guard
I think its ridiculous I have used one for over 50 years why now nothing else for the PBA to do what about seniors !!!
If the USBC adopts this rule it will only cause more leagues to stop being sanctioned. In the house I bowl in (California), all of the senior leagues have decided not to be sanctioned; if this rule rolls down to regular league play then it's likely more leagues will do the same.
Vince is correct. A couple of years ago many bowlers in my league wanted to leave USBC because of the lane patterns being put down.
That's not usbc fault That is your house That you bowling Usbc doesn't tell you what pattern you have to put out
I don't know why they should be "banned". Wrist devices are accessible to EVERYONE. It's not like only certain people can use them. So long as every type of device is available on the open market, everyone has the ability to have the same 'advantage'.
It’s a cheater brace training device. Only people who can’t bowl use them
I’m a 75 year old woman and already throw a 12 lb ball. This wrist hard helps me to keep my wrist firm throw the whole swing
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BS rule, but I don’t care I don’t watch PBA anyway. Cry me a river, if it’s so much advantage why aren’t more pro using them. Let’s ban two handlers also!
Exactly I have severe carpal tunnel! 2 handed bowlers who bowl high games its due to that top hand holding the ball up wich improves that makes their game better no wrist problems with them. It helps their game improves. Same thing as a wrist protector 2 handed bowling isn't skill I can throw a 250 my average is only 151 advantage huge!
I don't really care. But if I had to choose a side, I would say don't ban. Just like any sport, if it is available for everyone to use, then you can choose to use it or not.
If you agree for that you think to that two hands bowlers is ok or not
You might notice that two handers don't use these devices because they use their other hand instead of a brace.
As someone who is now able to bowl no thumb, one hand with a 16 pounds ball, but is unable to properly release even an 11 lb ball with my thumb, I think I have a unique perspective. The above fact I list as proof, that is is not simply a matter of wrist strength.
For 20 years I tried to learn how to bowl with my thumb. Countless practice, lessons from different people, literally over 100 different drillings - forward pitch, lateral pitch, span change. Then I did what I should have done at first and got rid of thumb.
The only way for me to sort of release ball properly with my thumb, was to use a mongoose device. But no matter how much I practiced with it, it could never teach me how to bowl without it.
My problem is my hand. Maybe due to how I was born, or two broken fingers which require odd pitches, but when I grab the ball with my thumb, all the weight is on the radial side of my hand/wrist. Since switching to no thumb almost 3 years ago, I have gained a lot of of muscle in my right arm, forearm, wrist and hand. none of which help me bowl better with my thumb.
I understand that there are many experts out there who would say I was doing it wrong and I could be taught how to bowl properly with my thumb. But once I started to release the ball well w/o my thumb, and could feel the weight much more in the middle of my wrist and ulnar side of forearm, it was obvious to me that with my hand as it is, I could never bowling well with my thumb. And I'm sure that despite trying every pitch, span change possible, lessons and more, there is some "expert" who is sure they know what I should have done, and is ready to tell me. Whatever, I gave up on those discussions.
The rule change is logical, as a wrist device is a mechanical advantage. So for for PBA makes sense. USBC will never implement it, as many bowlers simply need to use it. PWBA - forget it. There used to be more women who used it, but they still have many.
Since I can't even think of a PBA bowler who even uses such a device, this rule change is kind of irrelevant, outside of discussion of its merits.
But my point is, I don't believe everyone can be taught to bowl as well w/o device.
What is the difference between this and 2 handed bowling or not using certain holes.
One is a technique and the other is a device improving technique
@@Tenpindoctors if that is your position I absolutely respect that but there is no technique in two handed bowling.
But I absolutely get your point.
@@BrandoniousCast 2 handed bowling is actually more difficult to become good at. The technique needed is amazing actually
The device with two handed bowling is the second hand. You get higher rev rate and higher ball speed. It basically takes most of the oil out of play. I have done both and find that two handed bowling is a lot easier and I get higher scores. I just feel like I'm not bowling right so I stick with my one handed traditional style.
@@Tenpindoctors 🤔🤔🤔 if you say so.
I don't see how it makes any difference, they let people bowl with two hands ffs
I am new to bowling (3 months in) I have used one of these wrist positioning braces, it has helped me during open bowling or when I am practicing. I just started bowling in a league and I don’t think I will wear it during league matches. As you said and I agree, it’s a training tool and should be used as such.
I could not disagree more with the rule. Pro Bowlers are consistent regardless of whether or not they are wearing a wrist brace. That is the reason they are pro bowlers. They are not winning due to having wrist braces. I also disagree about wrist braces being "training devices." Are knee braces also "training devices?" How about tape? What about finger and thumb inserts?
Men naturally have an advantage....
I bowled with a wrist brace for years. My reason for using it was because of pins in my wrist from to repair from and accident I had when I was younger. I just wasn't able to move my wrist in a position without causing extreme pain . A couple of years ago. Some of the pain started to go away . So I stopped using it. Then i was able to improve my hand motion and release. From time to time i still get some bad pain .but it doesn't last long like it used to . But if it wasn't for me being able to use that brace. I would have given up on bowling.
This is a hard topic, because I believe it has to do with more than just revs and axis tilt. I know a lot if people that have one, lot of people that are 2 handed and a lot of people that bowl 1 handed with no supports, all are really good bowlers. I think there's too many factors in bowling to think that a wrist support would create that much of a difference in competition. You need the speed, the right targets, the right ball, the right break point, etc, and from that perspective if you're doing that all right then you will have big scores. If you aren't, then you arent and that goes both ways for all bowlers. Just my opinion and I do get the +50 revs part of your segment where EJ can't get that, and technically does take away 1 factor in tilt. 2 handed bowling however shouldn't be allowed, think its extremely unfair and takes away the skill it takes to bowl high games 1 handed.
To spin this the other way, as just a local league house bowler, if it so helpful to be an advantage, then why are we not all using them?
You’re missing the point.
I disagreed initially, but after hearing your reasoning, I now agree. And how many guys on tour would be affected by this anyway? 5%? Less? I think the PWBA should definitely adopt this rule too. I don't think the USBC should adopt this rule however, unless an exception is made for Seniors and those with disabilities. Too many bowlers who are just out there bowling league for fun sometimes need extra support, especially if they're injured or just have physical issues. My thoughts anyway.
I still disagree. If less than 5% of bowlers use them and it's a disability to the user it should be allowed. Anyone can use the wrist brace so it's fare across the board. All this will do is take away more people from the sport. I've seen so many bowling alleys go. We need more bowlers and I don't see this new rule helping that.
Yes on the plugged. I just bowled a regional in glendale az, and tourney director told us that one during roll call.
So Liz Jhonson can't bowl on pba anymore? That's a big load of bs honestly. If this was this much of an "unfair advantage", more people would use it. What's next? Can't use interchangable slide shoes?
I think it is pretty ridiculous, I have had several injuries and would not be able to bowl without one!
I would hope the USBC doesn’t ban these. That would be dumb for this reason stated above. I know a couple of people who need it for the support. It prevents pain.
Same here, I bowled most of my life without them. But I messed up my tendons a couple of years ago.
They only banned the ones that position your hand and have metal in it. You can still use a wrist support. If you need more to bowl without pain then you’re hurting yourself more
Listen to what is being banned….it’s not wrist supporters that help with injuries. It’s the robotic looking ones that physically keep your wrist in one position that forces your wrist to be and stay in one place.
I think it's stupid, in the larger scheme of things it may not effect A LOT of professional players, but USBC I'm sure will follow suit 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I hope they do
If they do they're going to lose bowlers. It makes no sense for the USBC to take a rule change that's meant for professional bowling at the highest level and apply it to recreational league bowling.
That's when I switch to pool you can wear pool gloves to let the stick slide on your finger!!!
Ive used 1 for years, Tore a ligament in my wrist had had no insurance at the time. It was either the brace or quit bowling. Im 58 now ans have been told with the damage over the years that its not fixable. If the usbc would ever adopt this rule , it would pretty much kill league bowling and bankrupt a lot of bowling alleys
I'm screwed LOL! I've been meaning to go back to just a wrist band for awhile, but I guess I will have to start sooner!
If this is an unfair advantage then why isn’t two handed as well I’ve tried both. My rev rate doubles with two hand not much different than normal with brace.
One is a technique and the other is a device that improves technique
@@Tenpindoctors technique is turning your wrist or coming up the back of the ball not and additional hand. I do not agree with two handed bowling. Nothing will change my mind. I’m entitled to my opinion just as you are.
@@William-farm you can have your opinion all you want but the style is technique. A device is not
@@Tenpindoctors let’s agree to disagree. Love ur channel
@@Tenpindoctors bypassing the need to clear the thumb hole is a much greater advantage than any wrist device could ever offer.
I started to learn bowling as a women at age 50. I love my mongoose lift wrist brace. Not sure I could have stayed in the sport if I wasn't allowed to learn with it and use it in league. I'm a lot stronger now and throw a 14 pound ball, but I don't have the bone density or muscle mass as men, my wrist is the size of a 10 year old girl. Eileen bowling tools does have something I use to maintain wrist strength, but if they get rid of braces for women, I'll probably have to drop down to a 13 pound ball and that bums me out because the cores are not the same.
It’s for pba only.
@@zekechilesbowling6699 I know, but I'm nervous they'll change it for women too. For Pros, that will be weird as bowlers like Shannon O'Keefe wears one, but the younger newer bowler trained in the more modern form, do not. And for old ladies like me, it's the only way I get revs.
I would estimate that the chance of USBC banning them for league bowlers is approximately zero.
About two-handed bowling? It's the first thing to deal with. He's not affected by the game causing any swelling that affects the release. Maybe the left hand has to be inserted into the finger hole
I don't understand what everybody is complaining about. It's a rule in the PBA if you're a PBA bowler you're a good bowler you shouldn't need a wrist brace to make you have the correct wrist position. If you need that you don't belong in the PBA. They are still allowing it in the pba50 tour because some of them may need it it's just the PBA tour quit freaking out. They will never make this rule for League Bowlers so relax it's not going to affect us normal bowlers.
Personally I don’t think it matters because anyone that needs a wrist brace to compete will not be able to compete with someone who does not need a wrist brace. if any advantage, it’s with the person not using a brace and using proper technique.
Thanks for the video
Shannon O'Keefe?
Hmm, good point. But, I have a feeling she would still be amazing without the brace.
@@youngsavage80 I realize now, this rule does not apply to women bowlers.
@@truckingviews6006 Unless they want to enter PBA tour events.
@@dfo132 right
Wrist supports that are used in order to improve technique are an issue. Wrist supports that are used in order to prevent (further) injury are not. You can use different things, namely kinesiology tape, in order to provide stability to the wrist to prevent injury without using it as a method of improving technique.
It's pretty obvious that certain wrist braces (looking at you, Brunswick Bionic Wrist Positioner) are used in order to improve your technique and create a consistent release. It's used to take away a variable from the game, which is most likely why this rule is being implemented. There are numerous other devices out there that conform to the new rule (which is only at the PBA level at the moment, mind you) such as gloves and the previously mentioned kinesiology tape that provide stability for weak, injured, or injury prone wrists that don't use rigid materials.
I'm not sure what the PBA gains for making such a trivial rule. I can't think of anyone on tour who uses these types of devices.
It would be a much bigger deal if this covered the WPBA. I look at Shannon O'Keefe. She's said for years that while she could bowl without her brace, a previous sports injury to her wrist wouldn't allow her to bowl without severe pain.
And obviously, they're not going to make these devices illegal to bowl leagues. the sport is already hemorrhaging bowlers and needs all the people they can get to bowl. But we'll see. The Bowling Bodies that Be tend to do stupid things.
I know I gave up using just a plain Robbby's brace when I notice I would loosen the straps on release
I agree with the rule. Anything that’s capable of preventing an improper release is an unfair advantage. I’m a two hander, and it would seem that many are ignorant to how two handed bowling works. We are still one handed during the release. In fact the way we generate such high rev rates is by clearing our off hand quicker. Two handed bowling still requires proper technique. We can still come around the ball wrong and have our hand in the wrong position during the release. The braces in question prevent that. My wife uses one and she can make a one click adjustment and drastically affect ball reaction without changing anything else. They do create an unfair advantage for the people using them and shouldn’t be allowed in any competition.
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I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't trickle down to the USBC level. There aren't any guys on the national tour that use one that I've seen since Dale Traber and Mike Scroggins aged out. I myself used one for 20 years and then quit using one (and I'm just an amateur) because I didn't like how restrictive they were -- and I'm a guy with a lot of tendon damage, a surgery in my background, and who nearly had to quit the game over the pain of it all. I even tried two-handed delivery for 3+ years, and couldn't make that work not because of wrist issues (going 2-handed actually helped several pain issues I was having), but rather because I couldn't generate the speed to match the increased rev rate. What fixed me was lessons -- learning how to hold the ball, fixing the arm swing path, changing span and pitches, and learning what NOT to do at various points in the swing. I've been able to transition back to one-handed (thanks Del Warren and the Kegel Training Center), my average is rising again and my arm swing has probably never been better.
Now, back to what I said about USBC: Whereas the PBA has virtually no brace users on the big tour anymore (if any), the USBC is full of them. Getting rid of these devices at the amateur level would be a horrendous idea, especially for senior bowlers, and for that reason I don't think the USBC delegates would ever vote it through. What I worry about most from this decision is whether it would convince device makers to exit the market today based on fears of the devices being banned, or a stigma being attached to a banned-at-the-PBA-level device. There is also the impact on the senior and women's tours to consider, so that will bear watching. If I thought the impact of this would eventually trickle down to the USBC level, I'd have a problem with the change. But then again, the PBA is its own membership separate from the USBC, and this rule will never affect me directly until it comes down to "my" world, the mostly recreational (but still sanctioned) world of amateur leagues and tournaments.
No Metal or PLASTIC. The PBA Tour will ban wrist supports with “restrictive material” such as steel or plastic supportive bracing starting Jan. 1, 2023 (with all due respect, you said wrist strength is not an issue.) You have no idea what's it like to be 66 years old (like me) with weak wrist strength. Just cupping the ball can be painful. Now with that said, I am positive that they are no PBA members with any wrist issues. (I know the seniors are exempt) Oh here's a thought, why not allow wrist braces to help prevent injury or wearing out on the wrist joint? How many PBA pros do you know that wears the wrist support that is having an unfair advantage? And finally, Does that mean the Pro Women who participate in a "PBA" event cannot use the brace? Lot's of Women some who are Hall of Famers where them.
Wats next, ban taping of wrist n fingers? Knee supports? O agree that those young or fit can adapt or learn to bowl without wrist guard. What abt those seniors amateur bowlers? I hope usbc dun follow it..jus like the balance hole rule, in order to restrict the 5% pros..the other 95% of bowlers have to be affected
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I'm a 165 avg bowler and I use it some games and it does not make me hat much better to he homest sometimes it makes me over hook the ball and we still lose against teams that don't use a brace
I’m with you on using the wrist devices as training rather than long term use. Out of curiosity what’s your opinion on using drills for a half hour or an hour straight vs 4 shots of a drill then 4 of the full approach and go back and forth.
The reason I ask is when I was in high school our coach had us do a drill where we went through the approach without a ball and when we switched back to full approach adding the weight of the ball into it made timing, balance, and almost everything worse except for our steps, and I’ve seen a similar thing happen with one step or no step then going to a full approach where because of all the other variables you revert back to what you were doing before.
Just curious on your thoughts about it. I get the idea of gaining muscle memory, but muscles have to interact with the other parts of your body. Wouldn’t it be different having the muscle interaction memory of a one step vs the muscle interaction memory of the full approach be different? Does this make sense
One step drills help me tremendously. Totally fixes timing.
I agree with the rule for the PBA. I think the USBC needs to still allow them.
My reasoning, keeping kids and older adults in the game. USBC does have their competition side, but I bet the 90% that will never bowl a tourney would leave the sport. Those are the folks that keep the bowling centers afloat. They are less concerned with doing it right, than going out and having a good time with friends.
My dad as an example is 65 and has bowled his entire life (father and now brother own a bowling center). He carried a 200 average in the 70s.
Now he uses a brace, and I strongly believe that he would leave the sport if it was outlawed.
Anyone that is preparing to bowl the PBA, won't have one or need it.
It would be okay by me if a person with a documented physical condition needs some support. But people using them just to get more revs or to make them more consistent, the they can re learn. I know your dad did not use them in the 70's because they did not have them, or not that I know of.
They are giving them a year to develop their game without them. I know several people at our house that are not going to be happy if USBC adopts this but I don't see them quitting unless they do have a disability and can not use them. That and people can still use them in open bowl to practice and get the feel. I know it is going to suck for those that rely on them and it is not their fault they was allowed to use them all these years. They should of never been introduced into competition professional or league. They should of just been a training tool. If he loves bowling and been doing it that many years he will adjust. I don't know him but I know some of us just have the bowling bug.
@@jvmiller1995 at my Dad's age, he's just old. That's not really anything to document. And Jr bowlers, really need that support to be correct, consistent and keep them interested in the game.
In my area bowling is down 50% from 15 years ago. Loosing bowlers wouldn't be good.
The only issue I see is now there's bifurcation of the rules of the sport. In your golf analogy, banning of an anchored putter was for all, not just the elite players/tours, just as they did for "U" grooves that imparted too much spin on the golf ball. R&A and USGA did not want separate rules for the game. It would be interesting to have data regarding how many professional bowlers on tour actually wear positioning braces, ranking, $$$ earned, etc. to understand why there was a need to do what's been done. I'm neither for or against, but as a mere mortal, I enjoy the challenge of a game that's played by the same set of rules that all play albeit professional or amateur.
Don't forget the banning of square grooves. I have a set of Ping Eye 2 that were the lost of the square groove clubs.
i believe sports needs bifurcation to a degree. you want to allow a large player base to keep the sport alive at a low level cuz that's where the money is made for the industry. but in my opinion you shouldnt let people compete at a high level with technique correcting devices. i think this is less of "we need to stop this" and more of "this just isnt right".
To add to your golf analogy, though, if I'm a purely recreational golfer who plays 3x a year I can use any equipment I want, including those weird tees that make it literally impossible for the ball to go anywhere but straight. I mean, who cares? My best round of golf ever was 20+ years ago when I got a 90 on a par 72 public course and I haven't played since. The USGA doesn't care if I start playing twice a year again and use U-grooves. I don't think anyone cares if a rec bowler uses bumpers in the gutters, frankly.
@@tarlkudrick1174 Agreed. Governing bodies for sports don't care what rules people do or don't abide by casually regarding the sport. Governing bodies however, are there to set and enforce standards that allow for fair competition for those who compete for fun (leagues) or their livelihood (professional tours).
If they want to use the "it takes skill out of it" excuse. Then they should bann the use of spare balls or changing balls during a tournament at all. Plastic balls take oil out of play making spares easier and needing less skill.
Anybody using these I do ask how often you see a pro with one in competition.
Food for thought.
I don't know if this is a side move. Here in central fl. League bowling is dying. Centers pushing towards open bowling. As a 63 yr old bowler for 35 years. I'll be on my way out if USBC passes this. Golf has taken the place of bowling👍
They've already passed this rule and it takes effect in January of 2023. This wasn't a rule change idea or anything, it's already set to happen.
@@32rekt62 This has nothing to do with USBC or league bowling. It’s for the PBA tour only.
What's the big deal, why punish the couple people that wear them to be able to complete. Let bowlers bowl the way they can. What's next, all bowlers must use there thumb, or all must not. Stupid rule
Forces integrity. Want to be better then improve your technique. But not with a device that does it for you
I haven't been a fan of these for a long time. Not so much from the cupping/uncupping perspective, but mainly because I've always felt like it prevented bowlers from developing good form, and wrist and hand strength which can ultimately help you more in the long run. A good friend used a brace for years due to wrist issues, pain, etc. He finally decided to go without and drop ball weight down to 14 pounds. Yes he struggled for a while but ultimately (over a year or so and with some coaching, grip and pitch changes, etc) has virtually eliminated all wrist pain, has improved his release, increased rev rate and is now even thinking about moving back up to 15 lbs. This is a person that thought his bowling career was pretty much over and was considering learning to bowl left handed.
Hi JR, have been using these kinds of devices for many years now, and was wondering as to a particular recurring problem that I have with my release.While I find they help me very much with my consistency, I also have thumb issues, with "hanging up" in the shot, seems to have a lot to do with humidity, mostly a warm weather dependent issue, but could the device be a factor also? I use the metal stuff with the dials, and all the bells and whistles. Like your video's, ball reviews and so on, keep up the great informative work, all the best.
This rule change is ultimately pointless. How many times do people on the national tour make a show using a wrist brace? Or even get a check? Are we just looking to shut out Liz Johnson? At the highest levels they hinder just as much as they help. So what's going to happen is you're going to lose a lot of your "donators" in the tournament. Most of them won't learn to bowl without a brace, they just won't bowl in the events. And fewer entries is pretty much always bad.
Hopefully, she'll adapt if she competes...she's one of my all time favorites..
my question is when this rule takes affect in 2023 if a liz johnson or shannon o'keffe makes a pba final against the men on a show would they still be able to use them. or what about knee braces will they be ban alot of people that bowl on the tour im sure have knee problems i think liz johnson uses a knee brace
I’d do it! I’m 54 and a woman. I have about 280 maybe a little more. I haven’t used a crutch in over 20 years. I tried one a few years back and couldn’t even use it. I’m from Texas so it would be a super long trip to come see you.:(
As long as my Hellbent glove isn't banned, I am fine. Besides I don't know many who use these devices day in and day out.
I know many who cannot throw a ball without a positioning brace and coors, both are crutches.... your glove is safe
Weird rule. Idk why people are so hyped up on it. Seems like a non issue. Doesn’t seem to affect anyone. I can’t remember anyone in the PBA national tour that wears one.
I think WRW used one in the 90s, but probably to promote or sponsored by them. You won't see pros use them because you can't create the rev rates you would if you had full control of your wrist throughout the release. You can only create high revs with the yo-yo effect. You can still have high revs with a brace (I'm around 400 rpm), but then you have to be pretty strong, or master a technique in the release to create those revs. Hard to explain LOL. The stuff happens in a fraction of a second. But yeah, I had planned to move away from the brace I use because I notice from game to game, my thumb swells up probably because the brace is on too tight LOL!
I see this more as a nudge to tell people aspiring to get better that they need to learn natural technique. I see this boosting the learning curve
@@Tenpindoctors personal I don’t use one and don’t mind it. If I think about it, it could be a disadvantage to them in the long run. I don’t recall them being able to move in and shape the ball later in the night or set. Even if you look at the PWBA I can’t recall any of the younger generations using a brace. It will eventually phase it self out naturally.
I used one for a while, and I have quite using it and just use tape now. My game has actually improved without using it.
I honestly dont see the big deal with it because I have never seen anyone on the PBA wear it doing finals on t.v
As far as the PBA, I see it as a non-issue for 99% of bowlers on the national level. Basically none of them use anything more than a wrister. You see more wrist devices at the PBA Regional level, but it's still a probably single digit percentage. It's when the Women and Seniors bowl PBA events, that it will affect more bowlers.
Although I do have a question. The rule seems to say that only wrist devices with rigid backbones in them. So obviously the devices that can dial in a wrist position are out. But what about something like a Mongoose, that has a removeable plate, and can be used as a soft brace. I bring up the Mongoose specifically, because it's soft body design can still be set up to lock your wrist and fingers into a cupped position, via velcro straps. It's only a matter of time before this rule is worked around, by way of simple design changes in the devices.
I use a Brunswick wrist master 2 when I bowl normally. Even with a wrist master 2 on you can still mess up a release as the wrist support does nothing for controlling how and when your fingers exit the ball. That being said I can bowl very well even without the wrist support so I will be fine even with the new rule. I do feel that the more advanced wrist supports did need to be banned though as some of the expensive ones can literally lock your wrist into a specific position making it possible for people to create shot angles that they would never be able to create without that expensive wrist support device. I don't think it will be a major problem at the pba level. If you are good enough at bowling to be making a good living at professional bowling than you can bowl without a wrist support. In lower leagues there may be some bickering from people that have used them for a long time but if you consult a professional trainer they can give you instructions on how to master the release so you don't need a wrist support. If you have enough money to have some balls drilled you can play around with what angle the finger holes are drilled at and overall layout and this may help you out as well. Less aggressive layouts are usually easier to control and better for beginners.
I completely agree with everything you said, I'm from Northern Indiana and been bowling 20 years have always been taught wrist supports as training devices they shouldn't be used in professional play and I bowl with one hand as well and look at the shoe accessories and two handed play as what makes the battle field most comfortable for you. Football players pick there face mask shoes and pads they are comfortable with same with mlb batting and weight of bats or use of gloves personal choice for what makes them comfortable within the guidelines
So if you don’t know of anyone on tour having success with a brace then it’s a non issue and a dumb rule! I guarantee that in the future rules made on tour are going to make it to league’s and amateur tournaments. I feel that a lot of other rules and dq equipment ban’s just around the corner!
I don't think they should be banned. Just my opinion. Anyone can use them. If someone thinks it gives them an advantage, then everyone can wear them or not. Personal preference. There are Asymmetric and symmetrical core ball, they are different. So does that give the bowler with the asym an advantage over the symmetrical? More Hook? Not banned.
PBA Women's side. Now what will Liz Johnson, Danielle McKewan, and all the others who are using this type of brace do? Retire?
Good question....I hope they don't...
I don’t really see how it’s an advantage or disadvantage with braces that can’t be adjusted.
I hope everyone can take a opinion. JR has gone out of his way to help all of us all bowl a little better. He is a PBA player and should get a opinion to how he feels with out judgement. My average is 180 ang some change. I had took 15 years off I was a 190 bowler when I left. Tonight I rolled 241, 222,235. a 697 series. Saturday I rolled 710 I don't say that just to brag even though it feels good but JR Raymond is my #1 bowling guide. He is how I am getting it done. I have a few others I like too but this is the best on the net for me. . I just don't want to see people get mad and walk out on his channel. There are only to sides you like it or you don't but no one should be judged for it. especially a PBA plyer with skin in the game.
Wow so surprised how many people think this is a bad rule. Especially for The professionals.
If there are women in WPBA using them, then does this rule inhibit those type of women from competing in a PBA event? Making it an even standard for all participants.
Maybe we should all use the same bowling ball.
Its the split second at the bottom of the swing that hurts, the speed of snapping your rist creats alot of pain for some people. This is a silly rule that is only going to hurt a sport that's already struggling to be relevant today. Im a younger man who sadly has a bad wrist but loves bowling and rules like this just make me feel like a pba dream is impossible now. I dont wear the glove to creat an advantage. Wrist wraps dont work like your thinking .
That's why Shannon started practicing without the brace. Bcuz knew the rule was coming. All makes sense now.
Darn. I was thinking of getting a wrist positioner due to wrist pain.
I switched to 2 handed bowling cause of the wrist pain, but now my back hurts.
The Robby's and Mongoose have metal plates in them as well. So it's not just the mechanical stuff, and yes the metal can be removed from those wrist braces. But my thoughts are the PBA has opened up a can of worms on this. If USBC get's a brain cramp on this rule, they will loose bowlers. Hopefully that will not happen.
If they ban them they might word it as adjustable wrist positioners only. Hard to say. I have no issues with the people using a support that need it. Just not a mechanical robot arm that lets you make no mistakes in your release.
@@joeymful I agree but it reduces it greatly. That is why they are calling it a unfair advantage.
@@joeymful Wow. Is Jr Raymond not a PBA Bowler. Maybe he is not not a top earner but the truth is the top earners don't really use them anyway. He just told you he agreed with this rule in PBA events.
I guess don't really care if it is used in league play but I just don't see why it was ever allowed in the PBA to be honest. It is far from just a support like a knee wrap or wrist wrap. Devolving the muscles and tendons in ones wrist is part of the game a pro should work on and it should matter in a PBA setting. I realize people get old and have bad joints. Trust me I am ate up witha auto immune disease. That said Pro's in any spot should be the elate players that condition their body to the sport. Like any sport you cant play at a professional level for ever. Be sides if you do not have weak wrist and you learn with theses crutches then you are going to develop weak wrist because of using it. I know of many people like that I have one on my Wed night team.
He has did two videos explaining his views and I happen to agree. But hey this is America we are entitle to our own opinions. That is unless you want to say something negative about Biden. Then they just delete your comments . 🤣
@@joeymful I under stand that and it does suck for people that have true wrist issues. That's why I would not mind like the Robby's style to be left in play and unfortunately they are not. But the poisoner type you can adjust to positions that a normal persons wrist cant do with out the brace. Like tilt by caulking the wrist so your fingers are closer to your elbow. Not cupping only but the axis's tilt too. This is not easy to do and only real strong wrist bowlers that train them selves can do it. Being able to manipulate axis tilt and rotation are what makes good bowlers great great bowlers.
That is why I don't like the multi positioner type. Not in the PBA anyway. Even with strong wrist it is hard to do this and get the muscle memory. It takes 60 to 100 games to really make any skill a muscle memory. Then to be able to change it on a fly is a lot of what makes the elate the best. These devises help to make this happen. Why should someone get to strap on a advantage like that? That is what I think anyway. But you are not wrong that it is going to take out some bowlers no doubt. But I also think many will be able to re learn and build the skill with out the short cut and become a better bowler. But I do see your points.
I knew you was not all bad when you laughed at my Biden joke.
Dumb rule. If it was an advantage, everyone would use one. The anchored putter ban is stupid too btw
I have one of these and I will say it is a big difference when I'm wearing it and not you can get more revs when I have it on at least for me
Why Pba bans wrist posission. IS IT that two Hans Bowers can not use them
Good information. I currently use a positioner but have been really working on not using it. Working on my technical parts of my bowling so I can be more consistent. Thanks for the information.
The should not ban the wrist device. Ladies like Liz Johnson she used it the PBA is now going to tell Miss Liz Johnson that she can not used her wrist device? Bowling is now becoming a dying sport. How sad.
Maybe they want to shut the ladies out.....I hope not, younger ladies shouldn't have a problem, I think...