Razer Kishi V2 Review, Turn Your Android Phone Into A Nintendo Switch Like Hand-Held
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- In this video, we take a look at and test out the all-new Razer Kishi V2 USB Type C Android controller!
This is not a Bluetooth controller it actually connects to your Android phone ver USB type C and it enables Ultra-low input latency.
It works with almost any android game that has controller support, It also works with Geforce Now, Project Cloud Stadia, and Steam link plus it's fully compatible with our favorite emulators like Dolphin, PPSSPP, Citra, Retroarch, and many many more!
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That’s wholesome. I’m sure he’ll look back fondly on that as he grows older.
I want to see that sounds cool
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You can take a pretty cheap phone and turn it into a handheld gaming beast. Especially with a device like the kishi. My v2 with my s22 is my go to for all my gaming needs. Playing gamecube games upscaled where they look like HD remakes.
I would love to see a V3 with the 1st gen sticks, buttons, V2 triggers, and an internal battery pack just so it can extend your device's life. But even V1 is great
Aren't the v2 buttons micro-switches? Those are better no?
@@moe4b they are better my Kishi v2 for iOS is coming today I think they are better I don’t like mushy buttons
Know witch online shooters support it on android?
The V3 (hopefully coming next year) should include V1 style Buttons and Analog Sticks, a headphone jack and an adjustable USB-C pin that you can stretch further out and move up or down so it could work with any thick Phone cover.
is v1 micro usb? cuz some tablets don't have usb c
I use my v1 almost daily so I'm glad it sold well enough for them to keep working on it - honestly my phone is a perfect emulation device with the v1. Only complaint is the price and not sure I like the switch of analogue stick style.
Can you help me with my Dolphin Wii emu? I'm using a 765g and can't run XBC on 2x 60fps.
@@RR-ho3td yeah, you really need a top end smartphone chip for complex mobile emulation
@@RR-ho3td your snapdragon cant handle 2x, maybe 1x
brother i bought samsung s23 ultra few days ago, and i am planning to take backbone or razer kishi v2. Can you tell me how would my experience be for emulation?>
A small hack I learned about cod mobile and 3rd party controllers is that if you connect your ps4 or Xbox controller using Bluetooth you can actually play with any controller. It just needs to stay connected and my gamesir x2 works just fine
What!!! Thank you for this ima try it out
Also works on apex legends
but cod already supports 3rd party controllers, i have a mocute m60 and it works just fine
@@AleJunco67 probably Bluetooth controllers. Plus I think many 3rd party Bluetooth controllers emulate Xbox controller, so the game might think you use that
@@eugenebrednev7704 perhaps is that, but as far as i know the kishi emulates an xbox controller isn't it? perhaps it works like without any hacks with call of duty
I ordered my V2 on Thursday and it's already shipped from Hong Kong. So excited to get it!
I don't know why but all the reviews I've seen have not talked about the change in Thumbsticks
The moved to the smaller switch style that use less room but have half the travel which is an immediate deal breaker for me
I would agree if the original Kishi didn’t have awful thumbsticks to begin with. The longer travel made little difference to me when the sticks were stiff and hard to click. But you are right. They copied everything about the Backbone, including the Switch style sticks
Its very flimsy as well. If you travel with this it will break.
@@19CD91 don't you need a case for travel? Even if it was solid, I'd try to protect them anyway.
@@DiazThumb no? My gamevice just goes in the pocket or backpack. this thing would break if i just squeezed it a bit with my hand. The switches are the only nice thing about it. It is in no way sturdy. I honesty feels scared putting my phone in it because the backbone already bends and has play where it screws into the grips. But buy it and find out for yourself man.
the og kishi is more worth it
I really wish they made sliding controllers. Similar to Xperia Play. I have searched endlessly. It just doesn't exist.
Companies are forgetting the pocket ability and portability
Yup. And the MOQI i7 is way too large.
@@Dec4AllTimeAlways Finally someone who agrees with me
tbh the new joysticks are a *huge* deal breaker to me. One of my favorite things about the old Kishi V1 is that it uses Xbox-like joysticks, which are made to last. The new Nintendo Switch-like joysticks will 100% start to drift eventually
at least we now have a solution to drifting by adding a piece of craft foam to the back of the stick housing
I don't know if this can ever drift since the controller is not as flat and thin as the Joy-Cons.
the xbox like sticks will also drift. until these use hall effect you will experience drift over an indiscriminate amount of time.
I hope your channel keeps on growing you inspired me to start building my own small form factor pc
My first Kishi broke within a week with the left trigger fallen off and not covered by warranty. Pissed me off so I hope this one is a bit better but the jury is out
My right trigger stopped responding so most of my games became unplayable. Haven't tried to fix it because I don't have the tools. They use a special screw. I had the chance to enjoy my controller for 6 months.
I should've gotten the warranty.
@@TheMrKeats You can repalce the ribbon cabel inside,that is likely the culprit.
@@-BarathKumarS thanks for your advice. I did manage to finally open the device and found the problem. The R1 ground cable had become detached from one end. I tried out a few test to make sure that was the problem. Now, I have to buy a small soldering kit to fix it. It seems like the use of the R2 pulled on the R1 cable. Poor design on Razer's part.
I was finally able to fix the R1 button. The controller works great now. So happy that the issue was an easy fix.
@@TheMrKeats So the ribbon cable was the problem?
Razer did a big mistake not including the 3.5 jack or the data over the USB type c, that is the reason I will pass this time
Yes for that price I would rather pickup the V1 and get some low latency BT earbuds
Yep, I'll stick with the one I already have.
@@Ariel47 was there data on the first one?
@@onion_____ nope
I totally agree. There is a noticeable amount of delay when running games/emulators, versus pre-rendered content over Bluetooth. I really was hoping for wired headphone support in some form, even if it had to be pass-through USB.
I got the Kishi v1 last week on sale, found out about cloud gaming with Xbox game pass. Rn it’s $1 a month for 2 months. I used to play just cod mobile but now I’m back on Xbox. It’s so cool.
Gamevice, the makers of the Razer Kishi v1 just re-released an unbranded one with better support for bigger phones. My S21 Ultra now fits without removing the rubber bumpers but I have to still take it out of the case. I had the Kishi V2 and liked the Gamevice/v1 better in my hands. Also the V2 L2/R2 triggers was so sensitive that just resting my fingers on it set it off. Could be just my unit. I just sent the V2 back and I'm keeping the Gamevice unit.
Try the Gamevice Flex which supports cases
Great vid bud, keep em coming. To any Razer developers reading: Pretty please with sugar on top release the Junglecat 2 with double the amount of phone bracket cases, with analogue triggers. The cases should all also come with circular holes in the back, so we can attach phone coolers. Also please make a magnetic Razer phone cooler with a battery built in. Currently playing Diablo Immortal (Beta) with a Junglecat V1 on a Galaxy Note 8 and really enjoying the early game.
Backbone was taking too long to release an Android version so Kishi decided to make 1 like Backbone and Kishi mixed,I say Kishi knocked it out the Park with this one but it would be cool if one if these Companies can release an App like Backbone for Game Interface and Party Chat 💬
But then kishi v2 came out for iOS and I’m refunding my backbone today and when I get the refund back I’m getting the kishi v2 i bedd ot
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The galaxy note series and s22 ultra is perfect for these types of controllers. If feels more like a single device thanks to the square shape of the phone
Can you play apex legends, cod, ?
The day one of these comes out with audio passthrough I'll buy one.
For me that clucky d-pad looks awesome as someone used to Xbox controllers and I actually wouldn't want it with a hard back just for compactness.
would be so much better with an audio jack
The left stick on my Kishi is drifting up and down real badly, so thank god this is a thing.
@@obvious_giraffe8386 oh wow
MVC2 is exactly why I bought this controller, so was thrilled when I saw that was the first game you loaded up. You're the man.
I have recently purchased the Razer v2 and it does work well with all my emulators on the galaxy s22+ unfortunately there have been a couple times when it has a mind of its own and selects a bunch of random tabs in the options menu and my phone home screen. Other than that it's a good investment to have.
Great review and I just got my kishi v2 on Saturday. So far I LOVE the changes they made. It feels smaller and more solid overall. I absolutely hated the mushy dpad on v1. This is crisp and defined, and pleasantly ergonomic. I love the backbone but IOS sucks for any games that aren't for iOS, and by that I mean you need workarounds to make literally anything work. Funny, as this is released, the usb-c backbone was finally announced!
Do you think the v2 would be able to accommodate a red magic 7, it's larger than the 7 pro
@@Sr.D Honestly I don't know, I use a pixel 6 pro and it fits very comfortably with a lil room to spare.
My review
Positives
-Feels more comfortable than the v1
-Triggers are a lot smoother
- Super easy to click in large phones
- Feels more premium and less cheap
- Screenshot /record dedicated button
- New grip texture on back
Negatives
- Thumbsticks are now just like joycons so very tiny and less travel
- Smaller face buttons like switch
- Right thumbstick is less offset to the buttons
-no rumble
Preferences
You'll either love the new tactile face buttons and d pad or not. I have gotten used to em and they are good. No more mushyness like v1.
Overall just a better experience than the V1 especially how quick I can get my phone in and out.
The backbone is the best mobile controller out and Razer has noticed ad you can see. The Backbone will be releasing for Android in November this year.
Does the V2 work with cases on iphones?
Still no passthrough audio on the USB port. The v1 was perfect minus that one exception and I really wish they would have fixed that in this device. Since I'll still have to play with a certain degree of audio lag using Bluetooth earbuds, I'll save my pennies for something else as this device actually took a step BACK. Thanks for the informative review ETA
i bought the first razer kishi and used a dremel to carve out the bottom corners that hold your phone in and it allows me to use my foldable phone
Really wish they would make a controller that is case friendly. I can deal with a tiny bit of latency over Bluetooth.
The razer kishi v1 fits my 6.5 inch phone with a case.
Does a case not fit for the V2?
Gamevice Flex supports cases!
@@Gamevice start shipping to the uk plz
If it did data over USB-C it would be an instant buy for me.
I think a tremendous benefit to this (and I'm still waiting to receive my V2) is that it should be the only quality usb C telescoping controller that will work with a Surface Duo. I enjoy the Gamesir X2 but it's nowhere near the quality of the Kishi V1, and I can't wait to put it to the test. I do think I'll need to add some sort of spacer to the risers to accommodate how super thin it is, but otherwise it should work just fine.
I can only assume you've used neither the x2 or the kishi because with the exception of the kishi having analogue triggers the gamesir is superior in every way
6:41 I'm always fully depressed
Dont Be It Get A Lot Better For You
It's funny that they made each side less high to avoid them being bigger than the phone, but with the sliding mechanism the actual footprint is much bigger. This is a design disaster and what happens when companies have no idea what they are doing and are completely out of touch with the user base.
I like the OG kishi design. Its easier to carry in a case and takes less space in my backpack. I don't like this design because I'll only be able to use it at home. If I place it in my backpack, it looks like it will break. At home I'd rather use my Xbox controller and a phone clip.
Totally agree. It looks not very stable.
You are not wrong. I have it and the backbone of it is like a tube of credit card thin plastic.
@@19CD91 the backbone is good tho
@@ghosttiee9212 backbone the controller or that backbone of the kishiv2?
I had Kishi V1. It's great controller while it is working, Ergonomic, cheap, no lag.. Mine quit working after 50 days within the warranty. The customer support is atrocious, they were dragging and dragging this issue answering me once a day strictly.. I just threw away and bought Gamesir pro. I would never buy anything again from Raze
I was considering something like this, or a cheap clip for an Xbox controller like you mentioned near the start of the video. But with the options for standalone handhelds getting much better, I'm starting to think it would be easier to just get one of them. The Kishi V2 isn't really that much more portable than the Ayn Odin, for example, and with the Odin you're not having to make your phone pull double duty as a gaming machine. Which would be less than ideal in terms of managing the battery and storage usage, plus most phones don't have very good cooling solutions.
That's what I'm thinking plus you dont get black bars on the Odin unlike smartphones. Only thing is the resell value for the Odin Pro is ridiculous right now.
Well yes. But both options can suit different use cases. You always have your phone with you, so for some that's a plus. Also, a modern smartphone can be much more powerful and efficient than an Odin, so you could limit it to odin levels of performance, which could be a workaround for the lesser thermal solution.
My main issue with these usbc controllers is that they all end up forcing the usbc port of the phone badly due to bending, which is absolutely horrible on the long term
The cheap clip for an Xbox controller solution don't force the usb-c port, and you can use it with usb-c, and not only with your phone. I find very hard to justify those dedicated phone controllers.
The biggest downside you completly ignored is that it doesn't slide together as small as the original kishi and thus needs much more space during transportation. Also I see the hard back as a weak point, it could bend and break in your bag.
Thanks for the video. My opinion on the V2 goes like this. Don't get a V2 if you already have a V1. The difference is not worth the extra cost.
The first version looks more premium
I'm surprised you were able to put up with the original Kishi's terrible D-pad. I'd consider the second Kishi, but I'd have to test it first.
Also, Best Buy and Walmart carry XBOX phone adapters now. They're not 4 dollars, but they're reasonable.
I notice the design looks like it would actually fit and support a Galaxy Z Fold 3. Whould you consider doing a gaming review on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 with this controller?
Finally a good review, very professional 👏
@ETA PRIME, i have a redmagic 6R + case right now in my kishiv1, I took out the rubber support pads, added some elevation to keep the controller straight with the phone and it fits like a glove.
Dude, nice to hear you praising our tiny microswitch, we devoted our mind to design and produce it, frankly ❤️
I kind of wish the left and right triggers were much larger like the xbox one controller and also the sticks were much smaller then thumbs so it quite hard to aim in shooter games.
Lastly, if the right stickwere more on the left slightly more, just under the XYAB buttons.
I like the look of this over the v1 but I can't stand clicky d-pads so that alone is unfortunately a deal-breaker for me.
Rubber's longtime rapid operating accuracy and electric conductivity is worse than tiny microswitch
These are micro switches tho, much better than a mushy membrane if you ask me
we need 3.5mm audio jack
I would have loved an integrated headphone jack since it already doesn't do data over the USB. would have been super easy to add
Razor Kishi works with Diablo Immortal out the box. The game even detects the button symbols
The two top buttons are amazing to remap them as L3 and R3, it saves on stick abuse and actually makes me faster in certain games.
Backbone one for Android is better. Find yourself on a road trip where you don't want to bother them with gaming loud sounds and you don't want to compromise audio latency. They really need to add a 3.5mm audio jack because There are some games like bust a groove that are not audio latency tolerant even with aptx low latency codex. It also would be great they add fast charging.
PRO TIP:....What many people forget or dont realize is that you can also connect your samsung phone via DEX and play your emulator games on your smart tv wirelessly which makes it even more badass with the controller.💪😎 Havnt seen any videos on that.
Thank you for reviewing this. Love your reviews!
Happy to report that from a performance standpoint the V2 is WAY better than V1, Gamesir X2, S5B Shaks, Glap and Ipega 9167.
Thanks for the charging info. It's my biggest regret over buying the first Kishi. And USB audio would also be awesome, since unless you buy the Hammerhead earbuds or another set with a gaming mode, Bluetooth lag is just too noticable. And that's really ironic, right? The device is designed to get us past input lag, but doesn't help at all with audio lag.
As for the original's ability to fit phones, I took out the foam inserts. I no longer need to take my phone (Galaxy S21) out of its case. Of course, I would recommend not having a case on during gameplay anyway. The cases will always retain heat and heat's not good for gaming.
But again, thanks for the review.
I need a comparison between this Kishi 2 and the Gamevice Kishi re-brand. I have the original Kishi that I got super cheap, but I hate the mushy membrane buttons frankly. I also have to take the case off my OnePlus 7 Pro to make it fit which is annoying. I just need to know whether I need to pay the full price for a Kishi V2 or if the Gamevice have adequate button feel and rumble that I need to actually get the console quality feel to play all my indie tactical RPGs, deckbuilders, and rogue-likes I love without having to give up the use of my OLED TV that doesn't do anything to enhance those types of games.
I don't own either the GV or the Kishi V2; but from what I've read the Gamevice is the OG Kishi with a longer band and possibly some tweaks to the rubber grips, both done so it can fit thicker and longer phones. Everything else, for better or worse, is identical.
They say the best way to get an answer is to post the wrong answer on the Internet. So, if I'm wrong I'm sure we'll hear about it.
Unbelievable that usb-c still doesn't support audio pass through!
I have the V1 and loved it, though I have a Galaxy Note 20 Ultra and it was a TIGHT fit. Later on, the ribbon cable messed up and it would've been a feasible fix, but I haven't found the right length for a replacement cable. (I got a cable that worked, but was too short.)
The updates to the V2 seems like you won't have that issue though, which is nice to see. If I decide I need a new phone controller, I'm definitely going with the V2, but I have a Steam Deck now and that probably won't be necessary anymore.
Gamevice kept the rights to the Kishi V1 when Razer decided to go their own way. They recently re-released the V1 but with a longer ribbon cable to fit bigger phones without being stretched like a banjo string. It might be possible to find a replacement cable for it and use that on your Kishi.
@@mattdavis9601 I missed that about the brand split. Good point though, thanks
Wish the nexus app had a controller remapper for phones that don't have one in their own gaming launcher like they should, samsung. I know there's apps for that but having it all in one would be nice.
I ordered mine today and wanted to see if I can find some videos with a bit more info. thank you so much this was helpful. the only thing is I wished you had links to the emulators. I haven't used emulators on my phone since the galaxy s8 so I'm a bit out of the loop with what's new. but the video was super helpful thanks again
His thumbnails are perfect
I'm loving this thing
I mainly use it to stream my Xbox while chilling in bed☺️
Good video bruh
I wish the game controllers have a built in battery with pass thru charging with over charge protection so the game controller can charge your phone while the controller is being charged at the same time while having a headphone jack on the game controllers with 0 audio latency gaming and better audio quality with wired headphones. I still have not yet found a game controller with all the features that I mentioned.
The lack of headphone jack kills it for me.
Yeah it’s a missed opportunity, they could have added a 3.5mm jack with audio running over USB, even if the phone doesn’t have one.
They want to sell their crappy wireless earbuds. That's why they don't add one in.
A missed opportunity for sure, especially with that price tag.
Probably difficult to do as not all phone manufacturers include an way to do analogue audio out via USB-C. A lot of the dongles they come with for headphones are actually little DACs. So for universal compatibility they would've needed to include one into the controller, which naturally would push up the price.
Will the Google pixel 6 pro fit ? Also maybe with a case that pushes the "edge" of the phone around the USBC port further?
I am curious about the pixel 6 pro fitting and working well with the razer kishi or razer kishi v2.
@@rmt74358 the 6 pro fits the original razer Kishi if you remove the rubber from the top of the control
You can remove the liner in the original kishi to fit nearly anything
Lol. It's kinda funny most people don't know that. I also find it funny when people complain about removing their phone case to connect the controller. It's a design choice so phones don't overheat.
7:43 Damn I was really hoping it'd work with Brawl Stars which doesn't have controller support :/
An excellent review
Kishi v1 had all sorts of issues with USB charge passthrough, where it just won't work at all even though it was listed as being supported for certain phones and Android versions. I hope they fixed it with v2
You might have gotten a poorly made Kishi. My phone hasn't had an issue charging through the Kishi. I did have an issue with the R1 trigger, but I fixed it after opening the controller and doing some lite soldering.
They need to come out with the Rikishi.
I feel like domes vs switches are a very subjective thing. I personally love switches.
The #1 reason I'm considering buying the v2 even tho I have the v1
The collapsible design of the v1 was genius. It could fit in my jeans pocket it was so compact. This new hard design is gaudy to look at, not compact, and looks very breakable in comparison
Gamevice Flex still has that feature and supports cases
Literally just get the v1 if your phone fits it, not having the hard back is a plus for me since it's easier to transport and hard backs will break
Very nice thing about the Redmagic 8 Pro is that it already has a baked in Mantis Gamepad in higher quality. Playing MOBAs on my phone with Controller now
For the 3.5 jack it's not a problem you can have multiple Bluetooth connect at the same time it's much better
Nice review. It's just me or what, your voice similar to Tom Hank 😅
Does the usb on the controller accept storage. Thinking in getting a usb drive to put more cd games for on the go...
Why wouldn't a phone have expandable storage. Makes it a pain to reset the phone now.
Also where is the ringtone for text messeges?
I use it on my now S23 for Xbox Game Pass away from home or laying in bed. They also make Backbone for Android when it was released.
my red magic 7 pro is coming soon, and i am definitely getting the razer kishi v2.
Once the price comes down, or if you want the V1, it kills any android handheld. The BEST android, ARM based handheld runs a snapdragon 845 with active cooling, which performs roughly the same as a snapdragon 855. Phones that powerful can be had on ebay for $200, plus a $50 controller, and now you have an ARM portable handheld (or just use your phone, which probably is this powerful already)
The day the android backbone controller drops this will drop to $49
Nah they it won't since backbone is iPhone only
@@legion7859 their android version is also coming..it’s on their website
@@legion7859 It's coming to android in November.
It's on sale for $45 now
The backbone is good but it's nothing that special compared to the kishi.
They should have just called it what it is Razer Kishi: Backbone
Just picked up one of these used at a gaming convention for like 30 CAD. Seems to be working well. Initially I wanted a backbone but those are like 130 CAD plus tax
I love your channel!! This looks great but I don't think the Samsung Galaxy Fold would fit well, due to the placement of the USB-C port. I guess if the device was folded closed?
Sounds like a good controller, but seeing what it costs it also needs to be.
As I wanna try the concept I lean towards something less pricey, but on the other hand it would be silly to buy something that either ruins my try or quick to become trash.
I shall need to do some research :)
I have to disagree about the v1 Kishi. The controller never felt good to me. It never for any of my phones will ever without cases. Each side of the controller would shift when I used it.
Wow I'm behind didn't know a v2 was out
Have you seen the gamesir X3? I bought one last month and it's pretty awesome, I heard that the passthrough charging is broken on Android 11 though which all my phones are on at the moment.
By the way my friend, you should try the test with checking the wattage when the phone battery is much lower life, as in closer to dead. As the phone is more charged, the charging power will be severely throttled (intentionally)
You should see your full speed charges when your battery is closer to dead, which also may have affected (but maybe didn't) the max speed for the Kishi charge test as well.
Anyways, you can get real readings from the charging speed as your battery is closer to dead, so I hope that helps.
V2? heck, from the design alone it looks like a huge step backward to me...it looks fragile af.
So many phones and iPads can run games much better than a switch and with how people get new ones every year or so will always be ahead of a handheld. If only apple or google focused on just getting some games ported. I mean Room runs on switch, an ok port can definitely happen on phone. They already have the hardware in peoples hand they just need more software support and I feel they can really turn phones into a good alternative for handheld gaming.
Getting those higher charging rates through the controller is tough, because that means that a lot of components along that path in the PCB has to be more 'robust' let us say. Not impossible, but the things that are rated at 120W are much larger/expensive/rare than the things that are rated to 15w. I want the controller light/cheap/easy to find. I'm okay with slow charging through my controller. So is every PlayStation controller user. (Sorry PS Gamers)
Also, 120w is totally outside of the USB PowerDelivery spec, Asus is doing some very specific things to get to that wattage.
Hopefully they reenforced the shoulder button mounts, the actual buttons inside are mounted to thin vertical pieces of plastic. I only had mine for a month and L2 broke off inside the controller.
I HATE that is no longer pocketable, the backbone design is terrible for traveling. They could have done it in a way that it would collapse on itself like an antenna so it would shrunk like the Kishi V1.
Next time try the Daijishou Front-end. It's a all-in-one solid solution that replaces your launcher with a frontend and very basic app launcher.
What do you think of the V2 going to joycon style analogue sticks? I don't think I'll be replacing my V1 any time soon
Awesome review, thanks! Now I know that this isn't for me and that is a huge help!
The big problem with these USB Phone controllers is that they don’t fit big phones with a case on. Why not just add Bluetooth with a pass through for charging. The plastic quality for most phone controllers is also trash.
But why are you going to play with a case, if it is going to heat up the smartphone more?
I don't know if i would want fast charging while gaming it would damage the battery and add excess heat but the option would have been nice
This is why. It would just throttle performance.
Wish they would make an ergonomic version of this, makes your hand hurt like hell but its the best thats on the market (wired version).
That d-pad does look great.
10 months on and this is £99.99 here in lil' ol' England.
0:19 I bought 4 dollar clip from ali for my freaking PS3 controller and I'm using it wired like a boss!