Nice video. The shot of you following the motorized tedder was fun. Surprised you did not trip on the hay! The two machines seem to make a nice combination. Glad you had good haying weather!
Glad to see your hay is getting dry and will be ready to bale soon. I too have two tedders, the old horse drawn type that has forks that pickup the hay and toss it behind, and the tedder/ rake type. As you mentioned, they both have their place. In grass hay the Tedder/rake does fine to teed one day rake and bale the next, as long as the weather is good. When I raised red clover or alfalfa drying the hay was more difficult, when there was a heavy crop. That’s when I’d use the old horse drawn tedder but if I did have to use the Tedder/rake I’d use it in the early morning while there was a little dew on the hay, to save the leaves. If there happened to be some rain while the hay was drying, it was bad news as the leaves would shatter when raking and a cloud of dust when baking. I’m sure you know all about what I’m talking about. I remember one time the clover hay had been rained on and I baled it a little damp, not wet but high moisture. Those bales carmelized and smelled great and the cows cleaned up every bit of it. Luckily none of it got moldy only had a great molasses smell. The conditions were apparently just right as I’m sure I could never make hay like that again. Haying is always a challenge because of the weather and breakdowns. One year I had all my hay baled into Haylage and that worked well as I didn’t have to wait for drying. It’s great if you’re set up to feed it and the horses did well on it too. I watch videos of a Friesen horse farm in Holland and Haylage is all they feed to their expensive horses. Hope you get your clover baled up and in the barn.
The clover is baled up without getting rained on. I did what you said you did and tedded it in the morning while it was slightly damp to keep the leaves on. Seems to be good stuff.
I failed to mention Jim, if your clover hay is dry or almost dry after tedding and your leaves are in good shape, you can rake it, again, with a littler moisture to save those leaves. Usually by the time you’re done raking it’s ready to bale. A little of that morning dew in the hay shouldn’t bother baling it. I just pick up a few handfuls of the hay and squeeze it in my hands and if it feels dry and the leaves don’t shatter, start baling. I’ll be waiting for the baking videos. Glad you got it baled before it rained, always a challenge.
The motorized tedder certainly moves the hay more thoroughly, but I'd be afraid it knocks too many leaves off the clover. Here in Missouri it gets so warm, that usually tedding is not required. I just use the side-delivery rake, if necessary turning the windrows twice. Haywork is always nice with the horses.
I wonder if the old Tedder needs the stand off height adjusted on the forks. Seems to me we relyed on the rake as the main dryer, cutting then let dry, then rake left, rake right and bale. But..., I was usually coming in to bale and the raking already done so I'm not sure. That new Tedder really whips it but maybe overkill, that may be the difference between milking cows feed and horse feed. Sure is nice when the weather cooperates though. Thank You. You guys really do a nice job with your hay, keeping the mold to an absolute minimum. Ultra Low Moisture.
Nice video Jim. But I think before works starts,.....Brenda and Daughters should pray, and then sing the Star Spangled Banner. (Ha!Ha!) After seeing/hearing that in the sled pull video, I think it should be a staple for all of your videos. On the Grimm tedder (spelling?), the one that Trudy was on, are you able to change gear or pulley sizes to get the tedder to run slightly faster, to pick up more hay and fluff it a little better?
We had a Grimm Tedder like yours, but our's was PTO drive, and I found going the opposite way it was cut,it seemed to fluff the hay better, just wondering if you have tried that and if you noticed the same thing, our hay was cut with a haybine instead of a mower, so I suppose that could make a difference also.great videos, keep up the good work!
Yeah it does seem to make a difference which way you go, but it just doesn’t seem to throw it like the new one.I’ve been so busy I haven’t had time to watch your last couple videos, but I watch them soon continue the good work
Jim I wonder if you took an old truck rear end with 4/10 gears and turned it so the drive shaft was poking out the back attached a 540 spline and made a direct drive unit for the rake. You might get more offers to rake hay.
Thanks for sharing this Jim. Its so nice to see the your young Lady's enjoying the family times. Brenda? Happy to see you with a team. Trudy? You go girl 😊
great vid jim just curious jim do you have grass mixed with your red clover...cant really tell on video...if so what grasses work best for u guys up north??
Woaw, Jim, you have some fine horses there. I have a Belgian draft horse, gelding from 2 years. I am trying to teach him, but he is pretty spooky with everything that happens behind him, so still a very long way to go. Do you have any tips that can help with this issue?
Jean Vanhees It’s hard to train a colt, Especially if you don’t have any training yourself, but it can be done. You just have to go slow and be patient and introduce him to things so they get over the fear. Have you ever trained horses before?
Thanks Jim, for the reply, and yes, i have trained horses, but that where friesians, i had a friesian horse so far i could plow with her, but she did not like to work. Maybe i have started with too deep furrows, and she had to pull to hard. At some point she took of, and caused a lot of dammage to the gear but also to herself. After surgery i would not let her work again, that's why i bought this drafthorse as a foal. He is now 2 years and accepts the gear on his back, the collar, and the blinds on his eyes well, and i already start steering behind him, but i am afraid to hang something after him to pull, because i am alone. Maybe is 2 years too young to start pulling and training, what do you think?
Jean Vanhees I usually wait until they are a little older because I like to work them harder, but at two you could pull a tire around to train them. Good luck
I would like to use my Belgians to tedd but don't want to listen to the motor. Have you ever tried a ground drive PTO forecart? Just curious if that would be an option?
When you find that pot of gold, you could always buy a ground drive PTO cart. Then upgrade the motorized cart to bale with. Those two items will probably cost more than your tractors!
Steve Slade For light PTO tasks, a team is plenty. Check out videos from past Horse Progress Days. So many intuitive designs of equipment are available now.
Please keep this thing your are doing I as an ex farmer i really relate to what you are doing ,and you will be gone just like and will be ,but at least will can leave a message. Julien Lamarche
Free help. they love doing it I believe . always smiling and legend work skills. thanks Jordan crew
Glad for the family to unite n help like that.
Thank you Jim
Flip flops and 1800 pound horses. You are a brave woman. Love the videos!
thanks
I grew up using a Grimm tedder behind an Oliver 70 tractor. I'm 70 yrs old now and away from the farm and enjoy a video like this.
Thanks 👍
Nice video. The shot of you following the motorized tedder was fun. Surprised you did not trip on the hay! The two machines seem to make a nice combination. Glad you had good haying weather!
You all work together so nicely
We try to do the best we can, it can be a challenge at times. :)
Glad to see your hay is getting dry and will be ready to bale soon. I too have two tedders, the old horse drawn type that has forks that pickup the hay and toss it behind, and the tedder/ rake type. As you mentioned, they both have their place. In grass hay the Tedder/rake does fine to teed one day rake and bale the next, as long as the weather is good. When I raised red clover or alfalfa drying the hay was more difficult, when there was a heavy crop. That’s when I’d use the old horse drawn tedder but if I did have to use the Tedder/rake I’d use it in the early morning while there was a little dew on the hay, to save the leaves. If there happened to be some rain while the hay was drying, it was bad news as the leaves would shatter when raking and a cloud of dust when baking. I’m sure you know all about what I’m talking about. I remember one time the clover hay had been rained on and I baled it a little damp, not wet but high moisture. Those bales carmelized and smelled great and the cows cleaned up every bit of it. Luckily none of it got moldy only had a great molasses smell. The conditions were apparently just right as I’m sure I could never make hay like that again. Haying is always a challenge because of the weather and breakdowns. One year I had all my hay baled into Haylage and that worked well as I didn’t have to wait for drying. It’s great if you’re set up to feed it and the horses did well on it too. I watch videos of a Friesen horse farm in Holland and Haylage is all they feed to their expensive horses.
Hope you get your clover baled up and in the barn.
The clover is baled up without getting rained on. I did what you said you did and tedded it in the morning while it was slightly damp to keep the leaves on. Seems to be good stuff.
I failed to mention Jim, if your clover hay is dry or almost dry after tedding and your leaves are in good shape, you can rake it, again, with a littler moisture to save those leaves. Usually by the time you’re done raking it’s ready to bale. A little of that morning dew in the hay shouldn’t bother baling it. I just pick up a few handfuls of the hay and squeeze it in my hands and if it feels dry and the leaves don’t shatter, start baling.
I’ll be waiting for the baking videos. Glad you got it baled before it rained, always a challenge.
The motorized tedder certainly moves the hay more thoroughly, but I'd be afraid it knocks too many leaves off the clover. Here in Missouri it gets so warm, that usually tedding is not required. I just use the side-delivery rake, if necessary turning the windrows twice. Haywork is always nice with the horses.
I love your videos I would love to work like this with horses one day
It's great to have a dream, keep working towards it and don't give up.
I wonder if the old Tedder needs the stand off height adjusted on the forks. Seems to me we relyed on the rake as the main dryer, cutting then let dry, then rake left, rake right and bale. But..., I was usually coming in to bale and the raking already done so I'm not sure. That new Tedder really whips it but maybe overkill, that may be the difference between milking cows feed and horse feed.
Sure is nice when the weather cooperates though. Thank You.
You guys really do a nice job with your hay, keeping the mold to an absolute minimum. Ultra Low Moisture.
you and your family are great. thanks.
You are so kind, thanks for watching!
Hi Jim . Wonderful. Thanks for your vid. I learnt a new word. Next time i play scrabble i will save two d,s and hope to make Tedder.
Sounds great! ;)
Fascinating !
Enjoyed seeing the advantage between the tedders, 👍
Thanks 👍
Divni ste, odlican video. Veliki pozdrav iz Srbije
Hello from australia thanks for another very good video, I really enjoy them.
So glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching from down under!
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim your welcome Jim.
Good ponies not spooking with those deer going nuts 👍. Living the dream. I’ll test any Tedder you have anytime. Well done
Thank you and your helpes for making this video.
thank you for watching!
Always good videos Jim
Thanks for watching!
👍👌❤🇨🇦, thanks Trudy, Brenda and Jim
Our pleasure!
I enjoy your videoes and look forward to them. Glad you shared this with us. How many Halflingers would it take to pull such tedders?
a pair of halflingers could easily pull both of those tenders. Thanks for watching!
Nice video Jim. But I think before works starts,.....Brenda and Daughters should pray, and then sing the Star Spangled Banner. (Ha!Ha!) After seeing/hearing that in the sled pull video, I think it should be a staple for all of your videos. On the Grimm tedder (spelling?), the one that Trudy was on, are you able to change gear or pulley sizes to get the tedder to run slightly faster, to pick up more hay and fluff it a little better?
Haha! About the Grimm tedder- not that I know of can I change the pulley sizes but it sound like a smart idea
Keep the good stuff coming thanks
We had a Grimm Tedder like yours, but our's was PTO drive, and I found going the opposite way it was cut,it seemed to fluff the hay better, just wondering if you have tried that and if you noticed the same thing, our hay was cut with a haybine instead of a mower, so I suppose that could make a difference also.great videos, keep up the good work!
Yeah it does seem to make a difference which way you go, but it just doesn’t seem to throw it like the new one.I’ve been so busy I haven’t had time to watch your last couple videos, but I watch them soon continue the good work
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim yeah I agree, it's hard to beat the new style Tedders, we bought a Vermeer a couple years ago and it was a big difference.
Love your show thanks
I would agree with you Jim. On the point of noise, the old Grimm tedder seemed to be louder.
We did turn the volume down on the motorized one
Jim I wonder if you took an old truck rear end with 4/10 gears and turned it so the drive shaft was poking out the back attached a 540 spline and made a direct drive unit for the rake. You might get more offers to rake hay.
It's possible but out of my expertise
Thanks for sharing this Jim. Its so nice to see the your young Lady's enjoying the family times. Brenda? Happy to see you with a team. Trudy? You go girl 😊
Yes, thank you
Oh Jim? Please pass these along to your teamsters for there hard work they put in. Please? One foe each.🌹. 🌹.
Thanks the rose! From Brenda and thanks for watching!
great vid jim just curious jim do you have grass mixed with your red clover...cant really tell on video...if so what grasses work best for u guys up north??
yes I do mix grass with clover. Timothy clover mix for me
Awesome!
Apples and oranges there!
How hard would it be to put a chain from the buggy wheel to a gearbox that would run the new tedder ?
Woaw, Jim, you have some fine horses there. I have a Belgian draft horse, gelding from 2 years. I am trying to teach him, but he is pretty spooky with everything that happens behind him, so still a very long way to go. Do you have any tips that can help with this issue?
Jean Vanhees It’s hard to train a colt, Especially if you don’t have any training yourself, but it can be done. You just have to go slow and be patient and introduce him to things so they get over the fear. Have you ever trained horses before?
Thanks Jim, for the reply, and yes, i have trained horses, but that where friesians, i had a friesian horse so far i could plow with her, but she did not like to work. Maybe i have started with too deep furrows, and she had to pull to hard. At some point she took of, and caused a lot of dammage to the gear but also to herself. After surgery i would not let her work again, that's why i bought this drafthorse as a foal. He is now 2 years and accepts the gear on his back, the collar, and the blinds on his eyes well, and i already start steering behind him, but i am afraid to hang something after him to pull, because i am alone.
Maybe is 2 years too young to start pulling and training, what do you think?
Jean Vanhees I usually wait until they are a little older because I like to work them harder, but at two you could pull a tire around to train them. Good luck
I would like to use my Belgians to tedd but don't want to listen to the motor. Have you ever tried a ground drive PTO forecart? Just curious if that would be an option?
Steve Porter no, but I think they would be great
When you find that pot of gold, you could always buy a ground drive PTO cart. Then upgrade the motorized cart to bale with. Those two items will probably cost more than your tractors!
yeah, maybe. I think you're right about the cost!
Steve Slade For light PTO tasks, a team is plenty. Check out videos from past Horse Progress Days. So many intuitive designs of equipment are available now.
Working Horses With Jim I have seen stories in Small Farmers Journal of guys converting horse drawn mowers into PTO ground drive carts for Tedder.
I saw the two white tail deer 🦌
And saw them, too. Felt a tad peckish just after.
:)...us too
Please keep this thing your are doing I
as an ex farmer i really relate to what you are doing ,and you will
be gone just like and will be ,but at least will can leave a message. Julien Lamarche
Thank you for sharing, that is one of my big goals with this channel
Flip flops around the horses?
I KNEW IT! There's always a safety Nazi in the crowd. You'd go nuts seeing the Amish working around horses and machinery barefoot...
How often do you see deer where you live.
We see deer daily here.
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim Yea we also see deer daily here to. But i hate it whem people just stop to look at them.
longer tines on the grimm?
dcm7777777 Maybe
Where are you located? Upstate NY?
yes, near Malone New York, close to the Canadian border
How wide are the tedders?
About 8 feet wide
You rake needs to be level with the ground, it is real low in the front causing the hay to be strewn about, as my grandad used to tell us boys.
Thanks, I think it's more the fact that the ground is rough and uneven.
Couldn't you use one of those ground power carts to run that tedder and not have bought a gas engine?
yes i could, but I don't own one
Is that the Grimm Tedder made in Rutland VT?
yes it is, it still says so the label
Keep them dam deer out of the corn.
It's a loosing battle, got lots of them around here
Lower the ground driven Tedder or put lower profile tires because as it is now your wasting your time