Real or fake? I X-rayed my Samsung Galaxy Phone to find out!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I wanted to know if it was possible to spot the difference between the Samsung Galaxy phone I made in China and one I bought new at Best Buy. So I stuck it in an X-ray machine to find out! And the answer totally surprised me (not clickbait). Also, want to know how much the phone cost to make? Stick around to the end.
Thanks to the folks at Creative Electron (creativeelectro...) for showing me around and letting me play with their machines!
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install a headphone jack into the Galaxy Note 10 + and go to the samsung store and show it to them
MAKE THIS POSSIBLE
Yesss!
everybody Please like this comment.. he needs to see this
Take your like!!!
They won’t care
True story: In 1992, at my second job after college, I got involved in early hardware-based real-time image and video processing, for the experimental radiation imaging systems we made (for X-rays, gamma rays, cosmic rays, neutrons and more). I briefly helped a project in the lab next to mine that was making a 6-axis robot (X, Y, Z translation + rotation) that was inside a lead-shielded box along with a micro-focus X-ray source and an X-ray imager.
Why would someone need something like this? The customer was a TLA (Three Letter Agency) that had recovered military electronics from the ocean floor (you should be able to fill in that huge blank). This equipment contained circuitry that was state-of-the-art a decade earlier, and they wanted to know everything about it, from the connectors and wiring down to the transistors inside the integrated circuit packages. This had to be done non-destructively, as the equipment was already heavily damaged from its time in the ocean.
While many companies could have taken on this challenge, we were the only one that combined X-ray source expertise with imaging expertise as well as robotics. In particular, getting highly focused X-rays generally requires focusing an electron beam on a minuscule spot, meaning the electron density was more than high enough to cause localized melting of the beam's target material, which then defocused the point-source. Our "special sauce" was getting "bright" X-rays that were also tightly focused enough to image at the micrometer level and below. Every trick in the book was used to keep that X-ray source bright and sharp, but even our best efforts meant it was "used up" after only a few weeks of operation, and would then need to be replaced.
Still, that X-ray source was bright only by the standards of the day, and was only a few times brighter than a dental X-ray. That meant that we had to be extra careful to capture every single X-ray that made it through the target, and do so quickly yet with minimal degradation. Our X-ray sensor was a one-of-a-kind hand-built device (what we called "an escaped lab rat") that cost a bundle and would have been impossible to reproduce in quantity. Fortunately, it far outlasted the X-ray source, but did need frequent recalibration to maintain it's awesome performance.
In Scotty's video, you may have noticed that the Creative Electron folks took a long duration exposure over many seconds: We were shooting 15 fps video! In its raw form, our best efforts looked like something viewed through a downpour; noisy and indistinct. Fortunately, our physicists had recorded some of that raw video and experimented on it for weeks to develop an algorithm to clean it up. Their software did a great job, but took minutes to process each frame. My job was to see if I could translate it to a hardware pipeline that would yield a frame every 67 milliseconds. Talk about having a fun problem to solve!
This was literally "Math as Hardware", and the limitations of the hardware often caused the math to change to take those limitations into account. And when the math reached its limits, we then had to modify the machine itself. Since the X-ray source and sensor were already as good as they were going to get, that meant the robotics had to change.
One trick (among many) in image processing is to sum up a bunch of frames (as Creative Electron did) to reduce the noise effects in each pixel which in turn improves contrast. A similar thing can be done in video, but only if the image content is moving "in the plane" (linearly in X/Y or rotationally along the Z (lens) axis), which is typically the case. Linear motion in Z (zooming) or rotation along other axes causes image distortion that is difficult to remove. Our robot had 6 axes, which meant we could easily compensate motion for only 3 of them.
In most video, it is difficult to deduce out-of-plane motion accurately enough to even attempt these difficult corrections. But we had a robot, and by adding extremely precise position sensors to all 6 axes, we knew the exact spatial representation of every pixel, and could build the math needed to "un-do" the motion. Far from completely, but enough to be very useful to the operator while moving the robot. When imaging things at the transistor level, the robot would be locked-down and a longer image sequence would be taken.
This meant we had a "deep" imaging pipeline. While we did succeed at operating at 15 fps, each frame arrived on the screen up to a second after it was taken, which made controlling the robot lag a bit, something the operators were able to adapt to. The chassis containing my software and the hardware it controlled cost about $250K at the time, which would be a cool half a million in today's dollars.
Yes, I did get to play with some very nice toys! It's hard to believe that was nearly 30 years ago. Feels like yesterday.
However, it is rewarding to see the exact same math used to create movies like Avatar, where "mo-cap" (motion capture) suits were used to obtain accurate position information in real-time. Since then, 4K video is now detailed enough to permit highly accurate motion information to be computed directly from the video itself, removing the need for external sensors, a technique that's become small part of the field called "Computational Photography". And now hand-held and head-mounted sensors are getting good enough to remove the motion sickness associated with early VR/AR products.
Yet my system was doing the same math in real-time 30 years ago. It's even harder to believe I'm approaching the end of my engineering career. But at least I got a ton of stories out of that career. Rather than fight to the end to stay an engineer (and out of management), I'm seriously considering becoming a STEM teacher. You think young adults would put up with me?
Yes we would your experience is invaluable ! It's great to hear real world examples along side theory, so many of my professors just seem completely disconnected from the modern day work force.
Double yes. Most of my engineering lecturers always lean towards management and I hate hearing their stories of "what I should do as a manager"
I want to fucking be an engineer, fuck managing engineers.
Wala akong pake
Fascinating read! You seem to have a real knack for explaining complicated processes in a manner that is understandable to those who aren't in the field. This is (sadly) a rare trait in the engineering world, and shouldn't be taken for granted.
As for becoming a stem teacher, obviously I cannot say more just based on what you wrote here, but anyone who is looking to become a STEM teacher is sorely needed in today's world. Certainly I (a young-ish adult) would be more than willing to listen to you teach.
(My background, started as an undergrad engineer, ended up changing majors to a blend of tech, society, and policy, currently finishing my degree. But I still love engineering, and also am interested in education, albeit I doubt I'll end up as a teacher per se.)
This is a great report. Yes, from my experience, everyone appreciates a lecturer who has hands-on experience.
Funny thing, the motion capture as it comes from the system in Avatar and that era in general is jittery and bad, and is cleaned up, in part automatically by just filtering it, in part by animators following it up by hand, basically recreating it while using the capture as a guide track. The facial movements got translated with quite a precision (possibly with a lot of manual help) but you can see smoothing and hand-keying which was done for all the body movements.
Even when the capture looks to be remarkably good during preview, it still usually ends up being slightly bad on a rig of a 3D character for some reason, perhaps the locations or dimensions of bones not matching up, perhaps missing muscle simulation underneath the skin, so manual processing is kind of unavoidable.
Scan the Galaxy Note 10 + and check if there's space for a headphone jack
There really is
@@anton_. how do you know?
For those of you just wanting to know the price, he spent $284.93 in making his own S9+
Morsalin almost the same price of a nice refurb one on eBay
@@RodolphosTechchannel those refurbished are probably exactly same as his, not actually refurbished.
@@mindofvirtuoso3358 He said refurb....
Thanks
Thanks man
please do a functional test between the self build s9+ and the orginal s9+ ,and see what the difference on those functions, speed, camera quality, battery life, screen resolution etc
There’s a missing screw indication on the bottom right of my screen when watching your video in full screen. 🤣
Arebyou suggesting that Scotty has at least one screw loose?
@@nakyer I think he just means a red dot on the screen, as in the Strange Parts logo was similar to the red dots of the missing screw indicators.
PseudoResonance That’s correct! 😁
@@PseudoResonance Do you?
So you got X-RAY vision... that's dope dude.
And this is why up to date documentation is so important! As even if a tiny thing changes it would appear to be fake if it doesn't match the detailed documentation
This is exactly why I buy x-ray machines when I come across them at industrial scrap yards. I found some really good high-quality and modern machines that have been thrown out or scrapped because of an upgrade. High resolution dental machines are great, because they can easily mount on the wall and work with just the push of a button. I’ve bought about a half a dozen in the past two years, and when you pay scrap price… They’re usually about $25.
and the one I use now is a 2005 dental machine that was top-of-the-line at its time. They’re amazingly convenient for electronics work! As well as all sorts of other things
*New Challenge Unlocked: Insert a headphone jack in Samsung Note 10+*
Not new. I spend too much time reading comments, lol
Please do a video with iphone 7-8 lightning port to USB-C conversion.
Lightning and USB-C are fundamentally totally different ports, and the controller chips are vastly different. This would require somehow replacing the lightning controller, almost certainly impossible, or putting some kind of adapter inside the phone, which is already very limited on space, seeing as the port is right next to a board. I doubt this would be possible, or if it is, it would be a huge pain for something almost entirely useless, as you would be unable to plug in most iPhone things without another adapter, which would be impractical. Sorry, but I really don't think this would be a good idea to implement on your own. Apple would have to do it themselves if you want it to be any more than an adapter built into the phone.
@@PseudoResonance yep, also it is common for the serial controller to be inside the SoC, which will significant increase the problem
Ask a large enough crowd a question and the average will be very close to the answer. It rarely fails and it's also pretty cool and eerie at the same time. This phenomenon has a name. Can't think of it right now but it's very useful.
EVERY time I have an xray, I always talk to the radiographer about putting my phone under the xray. They've never done it though :( So I loved seeing this video in my notifications. Thanks Scotty :)
Incredible. Honestly didnt think you would find a counterfeit camera module. Honestly feel the guys that counterfeit the good are incredibly talented. Its a skill on its own. China is a crazy place.
Use the logic board of an iPhone in an android. That would be awesome.
That's super cool! It's amazing how good a copy of a component can be that to the eye it's not even noticeable.
Damn, I thought the price for an S9+ had further dropped by now. More than a year ago I got one for somebody as a birthday present and I paid 478€ in Germany, with tax of course. New and sealed from a large german retail shop. Looking back, this must have been one of the best deals for this phone. 😱
Are you planning to assemble something else? It would be interesting to watch you make your own drone from parts.
Samsung do 2 "skus" (is that it's name?) and 2 chips or more at times for the "same" model. Usually depending on zone/area/continent.
I think it's impressive to counterfeit samsung camera, they are top 10 in DXRmark
As Scotty was saying, if you want to learn you could do what I did and buy a used broken phone and fix it up. I bought a used Samsung S8 with a broken screen and a broken front camera and replaced them myself :)
*4:14 Samsung used on their s6 series different camera modules on some handhelts although they said that their is just one in all.
Real or fake? - I popped a helium balloon near my iPhone to find out
Make your own phone?
#1 learn chinese
#2 get a china visa
I prefer
#1 watching your videos learning and progressing
#2 buying new or used phone
Should be titled "Defcon Troll Hacks Smartphone Security Company (GONE WRONG!!!)"
I may does not understand some of it that they were talking about. It's still interest me, i didn't notice that I watched a lot of videos of his channel without skipping any seconds. LOL
It's different components based on the region its sold in. For example the Processor and the Camera are different for sure.
You're a large part of the reason we are educated on phones, bruv.
With this, people can use this x-ray machine to make fake phones even more impossible to tell the difference.
Afaik, samsung sold two different variants. One with their own tech isocell ig with their exonys soc. Other with sony sensor with sd845.
Can you please switch o and y?
Cool videos, a few years ago I build my iPhone 5s by two wrecked iphones, and I build other old phones
The new phones are more glued all parts, it’s more easy with bolts
The average value rings true to a statistics theory called the wisdom of crowd, which is absolute mind blowing.
I am a Taiwanese, I like your movie.
我是台灣人我喜歡你的影片
So basically we found out China counterfeits stuff... Lol nah but awesome video man. I love watching your stuff! Such unique video ideas.
15:48 That phenomenon is called Wisdom of the Crowd, It was part of my Master's thesis and not only one of my favourite RUclipsrs encountered it I was part of it too XD.
Die frame and wire bonding used to be my old work as a maintenance manager and he didn't cover a lot of things about the chips !!
Dude one suggestion ,
it's better if u wait till the other person complete his lines while explaining stuffs , later u can continue to express your opinion . Because you are stopping him in between which we won't even get to know what that person is even explaining , don't mind for pointing out, just have patience , this makes good content for videos.
You can also get the parts in Thailand fairly easy.
Dude I have a challenge for you try to upgrade internal storage of Android smartphone...
i got an cool idea for you! Put an iphone x camera to iphone 6 or what ever you want.
wow surprising on the price as that's how much it cost to buy the s9+ on swappa used. well pretty close.
I'd say "counterfiting" is criminal only if the product doesn't meet the standards it supposed to, the one you would expect them to for their intended purpose. So if it's equally good or better as result of the tech advancement, then it's not criminal anymore. I don't care about royalties and who owns the patent and whatnot. When i think about original, i think about quality. And if parts are "obsolete" but somehow still in demand, then it stands to reason that whomever still builds quality parts is an antrepreneur and not a criminal. As the criminal act is coming from the ones who keep the market dry for whatever ulterior reason and still demand pay, therefore stopping other potential manufacturer from meeting the demand.
What an interesting vid, Scotty. I didn't expect this from your channel but I'm pleasantly surprised. Please keep surprising me! :)
18:57 used those in Switzerland or Germany cant remember which but most likely in the Swiss... no comment.
I got to check out one of those shoe x ray at some museum I went to on a field trip when I was a kid
Camera test video between the S9s please
I like how they switched it the made one was clearly on the left but at the end it switched sides
Next video: Headphone jack inside note 10 stylus pen.
Should probably use Google forms next time to capture the guesses
Could you please run a benchmark on the one you made
Please make an iPhone XS with Type C USB. :) Apple should have done this when they launched the X.
Love your videos man, RESPECT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you make sound jack to the note 10 plus
Can you build a "full fake" exclusively with fake parts? Would it work the same?
Next Video: HOW I BUILT MY OWN MACBOOK IN THE MARKETS OF SHENZHEN, CHINA
Nice video and nice Xray machines
This is a math concept called “wisdom of the crowd”, statistically, the larger number of guesses, the closer you will get to the correct answer.
Yoh, scrap that phone scanner. Make me a human version of the scanner. I want to tell the fakes from the reals!
Will you review the performance difference between the two phones?
I think you should make video comparison between original n ur assemble phone
Love your videos, hope you make your own apartment in China soon!
Came here from the Linus China vid
21:06 "Bunny Suits"
without doing any homework at all, is it possible samsung hired two different manufacturers to produce its camera sensors? that could be your discrepancy.
I don't think the sensor on your S9 is necessarily fake. Samsung used 2 different camera lenses depending on the market the phone was sold in. For the US-snapdragon version they used a SONY IMX345 and for Exynos markets they used their own ISOCELL sensor.
Ooh, that's super interesting to know! That would make a lot more sense than someone faking the camera (which seems super hard to me).
@@StrangeParts apple does the same thing with modems.
exactly my thoughts. Happens with all kinds of manufactured product, cars, food and phones.
I could understand with Apple parts but why bother with Samsung unless they know nobody sells the camera so they just make fakes ones to sell so people can only get fake ones I think it would better for scammers to make counterfeit iPhone parts.
Beside fake hardware parts are usually made by same company which makes original parts just like clothes factories .
Plot twist: The X-ray machine was a Chinese fake.
They can't X-Ray scan their X-Ray Machine
Abeille Magique Dans Coquelicot or can they?
@@KasimAkr That would be helpful lol
lol .. no x-ray, only a dark filter and a Xaomi Phone! kkkkkkkkkkkk
@@zariski lmao
There are 2 versions of s9+ g965U and g965F they use different camera modules from diferent manufactures. So the camera is not fake it's just differ!
and.... are these examples of the two?
@@heyitsdrew indeed
@@heyitsdrew sounds like someones trying to convince us his parts arent fake
@@jakesweet1000 no it's actually true
Maybe and maybe not, I think that the guy in the video knows his stuff.
The module is just the ISOCELL and IMX, not counterfeit.
TMW the company he is interviewing about counterfeits is more counterfeit than china's bootleggers.
@@snintendog lol
just check if that main camera can actually change optical...
They're not though, Snint. Just means they don't have knowledge of this particular phone. Obviously when they're contracted by a manufacturer, they will be told exactly how many revisions of the product there is, and how parts are supposed to look.
They didn't have the ability to here, since it was a blind test. All they could do was agree that the camera wasn't the same, and it "could" be counterfeit.
TLDR They see a difference They just guess...what a great company minimum wage for sure. Not sent schematics just a picture to tell the difference...Remind me again that they are professionals.
Hey Scotty, just a quick thanks for making great content. A relationship with my girlfriend of eight years ended two weeks ago and for five days straight, I pretty much went from from never having heard of your channel to having watched every video. It was exactly the kind of non-emotionally driven content I needed and it genuinely helped a lot. It's not the reason you make these videos, but it helped this guy out in Ireland for the toughest time in his 30 years on this planet. Keep up the great work. It's appreciated in ways you can't imagine.
Keep on keeping on brother.
swallow that red pill
Sorry you're going through such a rough time - breakups, particularly of long relationships like this are always rough. But I'm glad my videos could provide at least a little comfort. It will get better. ❤️
Get out and do things
It's the most important thing to do when dealing with such issues
Literally go anywhere and accept any invites
Live the movie "yes man" till you stop feeling bad
Alex-
Mo chomhbhrón, mo chara.
Add a headphone jack to the note 10+
why
I am sure most people who comment this don't even use headphone jacks and have wireless headphone's
Zahid Shabir no
@@zahidshabir4038 you are crap
@@MithrandirRS S5 cant play games
phone "games" have less gameplay than a DOS text game. Why would we want to play anything more than solitaire or checkers on a phone. I have a PSP, 3ds and a switch for Real games on the go.
This is the only channel that I always watch the ads so you will get some $$$ Keep up the good work.
Thanx for this comment, I did not quite realize ad skipping behavior could negatively impact my favorite creators... I have a few that I'd like to quit skipping for.
Strange Parts, creating videos you didn't even know you wanted. Great work, as always, and such an interesting topic!
He’s also a huge inspiration because he never gives up on something regardless of how many times he failed.
But needed!!
@Akasta failure is never an option, no matter how many times you fail you gotta get back up
I just want a collab project of strange parts n Jerry rig everything.
Building a Frankenstein phone. 😇😇😇
why not make a frankenstein tablet as well and have ben heck as well?
OOOH. I mean, I don't watch JRE (yet)... I'm just oohing at the concept of a frankenphone... That has actual value to me, I would build one for it's worth, not just for the experience. I could customize it to my own exact needs... A better phone than every other phone in the world, from my own personal petspective. I'd die of bliss if I had Scotty's superpowers & could actually build such a monster.
yes! that's will be an epic collaboration!
shahriar akash yesss
Strange parts, Jerry rig everything, and Louis Rossman sponsored by ifixit
Not only is this a cool video but finally a youtuber who doesnt click bait
It’s a fine line between good advertising for a video and clickbait. I try and stay on the right side of it, but I’m not sure I always get it right. Not for a lack of trying though.
@@Nwilliam43 Yeah, the very definition of clickbait is a title that draws attention *but* somehow lies about the contents. Giving an interesting title to your video is just being smart, not a clickbaiter .-)
These days I see a lot of "clickbait" accusations to honest people who are good at promoting themselves - I guess it's like with the "troll" accusation: some people will call you a troll just because you challenged their opinions, and some people will call you a clickbaiter just because your title persuaded them to click on it.
The video itself is just an AD.
Please do camera comparison.. Even if both of the 2 cameraes are OEM!.. That could interesting IMO!
Everytime I watch your channel I say to my wife, "this guy needs his own TV show". It is more interesting anything discovery has on. Just think if all the kids and young adults interested in technology wondering what they can do as a career. Your channel really shows how may possibilities there are for career choices in tech. Love it!
Listen man, I just wanted to let you know that we really appreciate these videos you make. Hands down for me the best RUclipsr on the platform right now and has been for some time. The time is must take to edit them.. cant even imagine. Keep doing what your doing my man!! Your smashing it right now
15:40 for the S9 parts price
13:15 omfg i literally thought that the guy in the back had his leg over scotty's leg ahahahahah xD
LMFAOO
It is really interesting seeing how the parts you buy differ from oem! Keep up the great work!
Sabia que o sotaque do Bill era de brasileiro haha.
Cheers mate.
Acabei de comentar isso e vi seu comentario agora kkk
@@TioDuw fui atrás da empresa pra saber se era mesmo. O sotaque dele é mto de brasileiro. Olhei o site e ta lá. Sabia hehe.
@@reportimortal eu cheguei a entrar no google pra ver o site tb mas me distraí kkkk
sabia mano kkkkkkk
10:13 not gonna lie but I thought it was a hair at the top left corner
A hair range from 17 to 181 µm (millionths of a meter). Seriously. Do you have hair as big as a twizzlers ?
Dan Dragomir Not if he has a different screen size plus it could be like pet hair witch could be thicker.
@@Agarico No. Hair will never be that big and did you seriously say that it could be an animal hair.
lol "criminals make counterfeit parts" Are they really tho?
I dont know if is is suitable for your channel, but i would like to see you going to a Chinese neon sign factory to make your own strange parts neon sign.
sensors might be same but manufacturers put extra components for OIS. So even though you might have a genuine sensor which will perfectly well, but it will use eis.
Can't get the parts anymore because a company doesn't make them.
A different company comes along and makes them...
Guy calls them criminals.. wut?
the fact u dont kjnow the difference is hilarious
It's probably proprietary technology, so it's breaking patent laws and such. It's obviously bullshit, but it is against laws.
No, the problem is that they're taking a completely different part, that doesn't do the same thing at all, and relabeling them and passing them off as a more expensive part. If they were making a compatible part, that would be far far more acceptable (particularly if they were honest about the fact it wasn't original).
The problem is when the different company claims that they’re made by the first company...
@@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot not against the law it's civil matter so they should take you to court over it nothing to do with police etc.
Guy at 0:33 needs to walk more. 3pm and only walked 1959 steps! Crazyy
HEY! any chance you can make a magic mouse that can charge it's battery while it's still working, by moving the charging port to the front? I ask because it's the only side scrolling multi touch mouse out there.
Yes, YOU can
16:45
Thank me later.
15:45 you are welcome
@@lolertje90 😆😆😆that was a nice one but you spoiled the fun 😅
Another great episode of Strange Parts... Thank you, Scotty! 😉👍
If you are vegan start eating meat immediately
If you want to know whats the price s9+ cost its 284 usd
Great to see a new vid! I smile as much as you do during all your videos... So fun!
Yeah, he has a great smile. Hey, how do you not fall in love with RUclips stars? Should I even try? I don't dislike loving people, quite the opposite... but there's a strange voice in my head that judges me negatively for it.
Why not just post the extra videos on a video hosting platform like, oh I don't know.... RUclips?
Everyone: "What did it cost?"
Me: "Everything!"
Everyone_Gamora
You_thanos
Or you could download Aida64 and see if the specs/information match the phone from Samsung.
For samsung phones you can put in this code in your dial to see if it's real or fake. *#0*#.
Modified hardware, this is also a security concern. Imagine if some of the counterfeits had RATS installed in them.
On the kernel level? I'd love to meet the person who could write that efficiently.
They don't use glue for waterpoofing, it's just to troll the users that like to repair their own shit.
Eww don't be that person who only looks at one person when you're actually talking to two.