@@hansfromcongo6322 no they were putting more fuel into the engine than allowed. The fuel flow meter worked in an on-off-on-off fashion at a certain frequency (a few tens on hertz) Ferrari worked the frequency out and timed the fuel pump to push in more fuel every time the sensor was in the off state. They got caught and the new flow fuel meter is random so this trick no longer works
@@AHDKDYRARYDJISOEWKEN that's pretty clever of them. Should have been allowed to continue. They were still held to the total mass of fuel for the race right? So how they choose to deploy that potential energy shouldn't have an instantaneous restriction imo
their biggest strength is clearly their organisation/toto. the Ferrai's of 2017/18 where really good designs and the fact that mercedes adopted some of it into the 2019/20 car says a lot, the way they have managed the drivers and whole team during the season combined with a lot of mind games won them dose tow years.
Absolutely. I've just got carried away and written a short essay on that exact thing. Toto is a fricking genius as a manager - yet he always plays down his own role. Nope, Toto, you're the best manager I've *ever* seen in the near 50 years I've watching F1.
Yep people in F1 have awful memeories, 2017/18 Ferrari could have won the championship in at least 1 of those years given how close it was between Hamilton vs Vettel....Even 2019 they blitzed Merc 2nd half of the year (with an illegal engine) but the fact Merc went back & added more innovations speaks volume to how good the wider team is as they felt threatned....not their fault Ferrari got caught & they ended up dominating by a mile this season....they put in the work & deserve it all
@@d.b.cooper1 Quiet you!! You're ruining the narrative. The mercs were unbeatable, it's how Ham continues to win. Without mercedes he wouldn't have won any races, let alone the championships. He needs a strong teammate like maybe a double world champion... I'm thinking spanish.
@@Bahamuttiamat Aye ideally this Spanish bloke you speak of ought to be in the form of his life having won 2 world championships on the trot before he faces this hyped Hamilton kid in his rookie F1 year in a brutal & toxic McLaren team.....then we'll see how good the kid really is looool
This is what I like about the engineering culture inside the Brackley factory. They insist on long-term success instead of short-term gains, they already prepared for the next challenge several years ahead while the rivals still trying to put effort for one season only....
Which scares me, because I am absolutely convinced that they are already fully engaged in developing 2022 car, and comes this "promised revolution"... they will still be miles ahead of everybody else 😭
I love how when Mercedes dominates everyone hates on them but its truly amazing how far ahead of the competition they continue to stay at. Not an easy feat year after year.
@@xxDxxism that's just there to get the smaller teams out of the way though Ferrari might have a bigger budget, but they lack quality on the management side of things and it shows. Plus the fact that the rule changes haven't affected Mercedes at all unlike Ferrari, Renault, Brawn GP (banning the double diffuser would've affected them if they didn't sell the team. It did affect Mercedes but they weren't planning to be successful from the get go anyway) and so on
@@andyglastonbury6032 1988 Mclaren? 2010 Red Bull as well was insane in quali and the only reason Vettel didnt dominate that year was because of bad luck
@@WinTech4074 2017 as well. Well it's great in slow corners. It able to capitalize on it's mechanical grip. I believe it is the rear suspension design that Newey designed, with an inverted pull type rods. Like a pull-rod?
Very interesting. I was wondering how the changeover from Brawn had gone on behind the scenes. Despite the problems they had up to 2014, there was always that sense that when they made their breakthrough, the car would be championship material. What we didn't know was how important Toto would be to the team's success. One of the things I've admired most about the team is, actually, the management. Don't get me wrong, of course I admire the drivers and their amazing skills. That goes without saying. I also admire without reservation everyone who's been a part of actually building the car and power train, from the designers to the apprentice spanners (mechanics, for those who don't know the term), even all the auxiliary staff whose jobs make the car builders' jobs possible. However, from what I've picked up over the last decade, specifically in this era of hybrid cars, the management style is such that every team member - and by that I mean everyone who works there - is given the opportunity to do their job without interference, are allowed to have ideas (and that is such a rare thing in business! I know to the cost of my frazzled nerves...), and the introduction of a no-blame culture. Second to that no-blame culture - which any business worth its salt should adopt immediately if not sooner - is their "what could we have done better?" debriefings after every race. With so many front of grid lockouts and 1-2 finishes, it would be so easy to kick back and enjoy the moment. I've seen teams go down that route. "We did it this way and succeeded, let's not change a thing!" It's an understandable and enticing process, but sitting on one's laurels is likely to end up with you getting a sore bum. Toto has always framed his words in a positive way. Not "right, what went wrong?" but "what can we improve on?" That mindset is a) easier on the nerves of everyone involved and b) the emphasis on the "we" means the team feel like the management are looking at themselves too. That is beyond valuable for the best atmosphere in any workplace and is far more likely to help find even the smallest improvements if no one's going to blame you for not being perfect to begin with. He's well aware that no one is perfect, but he does expect them all to pitch in and do the very best they can, regardless of their tasks (that request for the one site to work an extra 10 hours a week, and getting the agreement is a good example). If something goes wrong, he doesn't send out anyone else but always speaks to the press and the buck stops with him. I may have missed it somewhere, but _I've_ never heard him say anything bad about his team, drivers included. He may say, if pushed, that a person (driver or otherwise) didn't have the best race, or words to that effect, but that's as far as I've heard him go. I would have killed for a boss like that when I was working! Don't underestimate how important he is and has been in regards to turning this team into the dominant one it is today. He's permanently under the impression that another team could come and start taking away their future success, so first thing on Monday, they have that "what's to improve?" meeting. I absolutely believe him when he talks about motorsports, whether it's in general, about another F1 team or his own. You cannot fake his passion for the sport, it's just not possible.
I simply enjoyed your insight and ability to write a top notch essay. It helps having an accessible subject like Toto compared to say Marlboro Man once over there at Ferrari. Or Bernie. Must say though, I miss Niki Lauda. Just like I'll miss Kimi. Those two have made it all the worthwhile when I shake my head at another Bottas defeat and HAM44 victory. Or merely watching which midfield team will maybe podium, surely scoop up points. Hello, Gasly 😊🤗😉
RB still only has a short-term view. They still develop their car deep into the season even when it is clear they don't have a chance to win any titles.
awesome video, now waiting for the comments of "its just the car, not the driver" even as in the video they show where Merc offset everyone else by having drivers so good they could hide the cars cornering performance and the quality of the chassis. It is in fact a drivers car and the drivers input made it what it is.
@Glenn Watson Max wouldn't be splitting the Mercs if he had a competent teammate that was allowed to race him on a weekly basis. Ricciardo starts giving him work & then RB decides to support Max only. let's see how well he does vs. an Alonso, Button or Rosberg
@Glenn Watson the difference w/ the example your making is Lewis has already been through at least 3 teammates who were allowed to race him, Max hasn't yes Max is aggressive, also hot headed, prone to outbursts (e.g. Stroll incident) & sometimes undisciplined. me personally Lewis just does a lot of mind games his tires are about to go & then proceeds to put in multiple fastest laps. I've yet to see any champion not be a little rattled if the game plan doesn't go accordingly. I just can't give Max too much credit when he has no competition from a teammate at all, bc the game plan would be altered if he not only had to worry about the rest of the grid, but also had to worry about his teammate as well. like they always say its a lot harder to fight a war on multiple fronts
@Glenn Watson Important points to remember when talking about the car performance & Lewis, Nico & Jenson: the '14 Mercedes was the first one with Hamilton's input in the development, and if you recall there were several occasions over the years where Rosberg had to copy Lewis' setup, as well as have the team show him in the telemetry & live during races exactly where and how Lewis was beating him (and swap his mechanics with Lewis')... to the point the FIA actually had to revise rules on driver coaching. Jenson Button also had to copy Lewis' setup on many occasions over there time as teammates, completely unable to dial in the balance on his own. Toto Wolff & the Mercedes team gave credit to Lewis as being the driving force behind unlocking their car's performance last year after being confused in testing. He said Lewis led them down a development path that initially the team "weren't comfortable" with, but in the end they trusted his judgement, did what he suggested & when it checked out on the data they went back to the drawing board with Lewis' suggestions. the rest is history. It was an interview with Martin Brundle (Lewis & Toto). It's up on both the Mercedes & SkyF1 channels. F1 cars don't develop in a vacuum. There's a reason Red Bull developed the EBD (Vettel wanted more stability in the slower turns... Webber actually hated it).There's a reason nobody but Max Verstappen seems to be capable of consistently getting the best out of that Red Bull. It's not coincidence that Daniel Ricciardo decided to jump ship from RBR not long after Horner announced that they were eager to "build the team around Max". It's a well known fact that one of the biggest weapons in Schumacher's arsenal was getting the engineers to give him exactly what he wanted in a car. Lewis is known for being equally meticulous. After seeing Lewis' telemetry, Jenson Button's father said Jenson told his him that if Lewis ever figured out how to work with the engineers & get the best out of them, the rest of them may well as go home. Looks like he wasn't far off. It's never just the car, but the car is most important. But in development of that car, over a season especially & not just the gestation/creation phase, the driver input is critical.
@Glenn Watson Lewis prefers a car that oversteers too. Apparently Lewis felt that last year's car was too limited by understeer in the slow turns & he wanted to counter that with more initial rotation on the rear. In order to achieve this Mercedes reworked the rear suspension to free up the airflow from the rear wheel to the diffuser so they'd improve the downforce & shift the aero balance rearward, so tires could live with Lewis wanting to rotate the car with the rear end & not slide, overheating these fragile Pirellis. Lewis can cope with oversteer just fine but the tires can't. Some people will imply that some of these drivers could just switch seats & just be faster automatically, but it's never that simple. They have different driving styles (according to Mercedes, Bottas & Lewis are very similar in what they both want, but Lewis seems to be better at managing oversteer... he manages his rear tire wear better & makes less oversteer- induced mistakes). If it were true, Gasly would still be in a Red Bull & Albon wouldn't currently have questions surrounding his seat.
This is quite possibly the best piece you guys have produced thus far. There is a lot of people who need to watch this that think they understand the sport.
It seems unbelievable that Mercedes was the only Team that worked like a proper company would work in the free economic market back than. Implementing a proper project management back in 2011 for 2014, developing best practice and business cases for the engine development and the leadership to make a team of thousands of employees work together for one common goal is astonishing. This should be a best practice example for companies too. This shows why strategic planning is so important. You gain a performance gap to your competitors and if you keep on working, you gain for years to come. As well as I hate to see Mercedes dominating F1 since seven years now, as well do I admire how well Mercedes did prepare for the Hybrid era and how well everything was planned, done and implemented.
For real, we need a negative feedback loop as well as a whole host of things to end their dominance. If they are still dominant in 2022 it could hurt the sport.
According to Niki Lauda, whom told Luca di Montezemolo, Mercedes AMG started work on this turbo hybrid engine in 2007....7 years head start. Mercedes were adamant on this turbo hybrid engine in 2012(V-4 ICE) but Ferrari said no so all went to V-6 platform. Throw in the token system and engine freezes and you have the recipe for Mercedes dominance.
@Amarjit Singh - in F1...yes. But no British car manufacturer with hybrid tech. Most of the cars available with hybridization in the UK are from other countries. Germans car manufacturers are into hybridization. Japan is into hybridization. Korea is into hybridization.
@@AlphaLeonidas - the chassis is just the monocoque area that includes the front suspension that attaches to the engine with the rear suspension and gearbox.
@@jgonzalesm6 First of all, that is a lie. Mercedes did invest heavily in Kers, though. They were one of the only cars (mclaren) to effectively run the system. Others such as redbull thought the increase weight (batteries/cooling) wasn't worth the small increase in HP. Renault wanted an I4, ferrari did not. In the end they settled on a v6. The I4 which eventually became the v4 porsche ran in their 919 hybrid le mans prototype - they (VW) were one of many manufacturers shaping the new hybrid formula. So saying mercedes had a head start is an extreme dilation of the truth. That's like saying redbull had an aero advantage because they have a windtunnel. Every team has a windtunnel and every team was given the regs at exactly the same time. Mercedes simply invested heavily into the project, unlike ferrari and renault. The token system was once again another unintended consequence of capping team spend. Unfortunately, it locked in mercedes engine advantage for longer than necessary. Furthermore, the engines were not frozen, teams could change the performance parameters over the winter in a system no different from the aero cap incoming next year and the following years. Plus reliability fixes could be conducted token free. The system was meant to stop a spend wars amongst manufacturers. Anyone saying mercedes had a heart start are the same fools who believed they were only winning because of their PU. It was clear since at least 2013, mercedes knew how to build a chassis. Admittedly, while blistering over a flying lap, the w04 ate it's tires during the race. Tire wear, specifically rear tire overheating has always been the nadir of every mercedes until the w10. I could be argued the w09 post their innovative rear hub blown axle and perforated rear wheel rim.
@@Bahamuttiamat - so your saying Niki Lauda LIED to Luca di Montezemolo about Mercedes starting on this turbo hybrid PU since 2007?? I gave you info in that article btw on another video thread.
Mercedes figured out early on that one of the secrets to F1 was mastering the Pirelli tires They were the first to use thermal imaging cameras on the cars to track the warm up and have deployed a variety of trick suspensions, wheels, and breaks to warm up the tires on demand. The importance of this is reflected in the fact that worst races Mercedes have had were all on tracks where they couldn't get the tires to work. This shouldn't come as a surprise since mastering the Bridgestone rubber was a big part of Ferrari's success in the 00's when the team was run by... *drum roll* Ross Brawn Pirelli have also twice now changed their compounds mid season due to the complaining of the teams (mostly Mercedes) and low and behold the Merc's performance took an upswing after those changes. Coincidence? I think not.
Great video. Very interesting insights. What is laughable is that 7 years later and you still have some very clueless people that still say it's just the engine. After 3 major technical regulation changes.
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@Barcelona golden state The regulation change was for all teams not only for Merc. Merc managed to adapt to these new regulations much better than the rest. No other team could match them in this regard. Their dominance in F1 today is a testamount to their ability and not luck.
@Barcelona golden state No, you salty and it shows. Didn't you hear even how the cylinders design were changed by the regulation and the team had to come up with a new design within a year. Also did you watch the video because I am pretty sure it highlighted how it was just not the engine but the chassis and aero were also really strong.
@Barcelona golden state many teams have bogey tracks that's not uncommon. And common sense tells you an engine alone just doesn't get you 7 world titles. If that was the case explain williams, racing point/force India.
Thieves will win over the fools who believe! Fake history, fake performance! Corona will make it forget this fallen malefic-pollution-and-history-star! Not one single race to have the WOW effect of Honda. Ex-Honda must praise its beginnings!
Is anybody else ridiculously excited for the 2022 rule changes? Will be so interesting to see if Mercedes can continue to dominate or whether another team can get in the mix. Hope it's the latter!
Somebody just read "Total Competition" and made a video about it...!! interesting stuff, but if anyone wants to really understand how Brawn did this, the pressure he was under, and how much he got shafted by Mercedes when it all came to a head, I can highly recommend that book, it's a great insight.
Binotto: "Download the video and tell the guys there is special meeting, we must see video and takes notes, bring lots of pens and pads". Binotto´s assistant: "we are loooooking".
So they threw endless pots of money at ERS since 2009, and the '14 chassis since 2010, and were testing cylinders before the regulations were even decided. Wow, what a massive surprise
Scott what happened to other program, you were in with several colleagues in a TV studio. I enjoy both programs, or shows, so keep up the good work. I believe you live I Sweden? Anyway good luck, stay safe.
Hey, this was a fantastic piece Scott Mitchell and The Race 👍It's important we understand the history on why this team was so great and learn from it. Edit: Only bit of feedback I have is that I feel you should include sources in text on the screen for some of the info otherwise you could be telling me anything lol. I trust you but ya know, at least let me know there's a credible source out there.
I don't know where to find the staff that each team has. But, judging by Hamilton's post race interviews, Mercedes F1 is around 1800 or 1900 employees now. So to me, the secret (or not so secret) to their success would be that they have a huge number of employees.
Don’t understand why the media constantly talks about Merc leaving the sport or Lewis leaving. These guys have one so much to get so good, why would they stop??? Very annoying to hear the constant moaning from fans and commentators.
Idk if you could say red bull was duped. Sebastian won 9 races in a row because of that development. Who's to say they'd be more successful overall if they switched attention earlier?
There is no secret just alot if hard work striving for an unachievable perfection, working hard and working smart is key, as Ferrari has proved that even with all the resources and money in the world you can't just buy a championship, you have to have both to compete in the modern world!!
Honestly, this could have been your best upload yet but why rush the narration so much? Some really amazing insights/stories shared here that just had no time to be developed or appreciated before moving straight into another at lightning speed. Irony here is that you needed the Ferrari power unit to power this vid, not the Mercedes one
What a load a crap. Great team but let's not buy the 'almost in shambles' crap. They were never in shambles. They were primed and ready for this era before it even began
That s what happened when a team develops the engine years before the others have started… and with people at charge that influenced the rules to be on their side
Would be better if you were more specific. That's like saying we need a race in Asia. But where? Personally, I'd take South Africa and upgrade and widen Kyalami. heard it's good.
@@arunaswaminathan487 go listen sim dane's - "Toto africa". You would understand what I am talking. Also if you haven't discovered that channel, then tank me later.
I'd love a video about the ferrari engine situation. How they ended up being so competitive and how they fell from glory so hard this season
They cheated
They got caught
Oil burning. I believe
@@hansfromcongo6322 no they were putting more fuel into the engine than allowed.
The fuel flow meter worked in an on-off-on-off fashion at a certain frequency (a few tens on hertz)
Ferrari worked the frequency out and timed the fuel pump to push in more fuel every time the sensor was in the off state.
They got caught and the new flow fuel meter is random so this trick no longer works
Fuel flow
@@AHDKDYRARYDJISOEWKEN that's pretty clever of them. Should have been allowed to continue. They were still held to the total mass of fuel for the race right? So how they choose to deploy that potential energy shouldn't have an instantaneous restriction imo
their biggest strength is clearly their organisation/toto. the Ferrai's of 2017/18 where really good designs and the fact that mercedes adopted some of it into the 2019/20 car says a lot, the way they have managed the drivers and whole team during the season combined with a lot of mind games won them dose tow years.
Absolutely. I've just got carried away and written a short essay on that exact thing. Toto is a fricking genius as a manager - yet he always plays down his own role. Nope, Toto, you're the best manager I've *ever* seen in the near 50 years I've watching F1.
Yep people in F1 have awful memeories, 2017/18 Ferrari could have won the championship in at least 1 of those years given how close it was between Hamilton vs Vettel....Even 2019 they blitzed Merc 2nd half of the year (with an illegal engine) but the fact Merc went back & added more innovations speaks volume to how good the wider team is as they felt threatned....not their fault Ferrari got caught & they ended up dominating by a mile this season....they put in the work & deserve it all
@@d.b.cooper1 Quiet you!! You're ruining the narrative. The mercs were unbeatable, it's how Ham continues to win. Without mercedes he wouldn't have won any races, let alone the championships. He needs a strong teammate like maybe a double world champion... I'm thinking spanish.
@@Bahamuttiamat Aye ideally this Spanish bloke you speak of ought to be in the form of his life having won 2 world championships on the trot before he faces this hyped Hamilton kid in his rookie F1 year in a brutal & toxic McLaren team.....then we'll see how good the kid really is looool
@@d.b.cooper1 😉
This is what I like about the engineering culture inside the Brackley factory. They insist on long-term success instead of short-term gains, they already prepared for the next challenge several years ahead while the rivals still trying to put effort for one season only....
Which scares me, because I am absolutely convinced that they are already fully engaged in developing 2022 car, and comes this "promised revolution"... they will still be miles ahead of everybody else 😭
@@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm i think they're just gonna finish up the 2021 car early then just send all their effort to 2022
@@williamfugere8816 Well they finished dev on 2020 car a few months back.
@@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm Actually they cannot dev 2022 car yet, that said I'm sure there's some "mental" development going on.
and this is where red bull and ferrari are lacking. They want the instant success which wont happen with Mercedes being so well prepared
I love how when Mercedes dominates everyone hates on them but its truly amazing how far ahead of the competition they continue to stay at. Not an easy feat year after year.
@3213232 1231223 Errr Red Bull & Ferrari doesn't have an excuse then. Ferrari literally gets more money than Merc
@@xxDxxism that's just there to get the smaller teams out of the way though
Ferrari might have a bigger budget, but they lack quality on the management side of things and it shows. Plus the fact that the rule changes haven't affected Mercedes at all unlike Ferrari, Renault, Brawn GP (banning the double diffuser would've affected them if they didn't sell the team. It did affect Mercedes but they weren't planning to be successful from the get go anyway) and so on
"Vettel won nine races on the spin" surely that was intentional.
S🅱️in
Those were good times for Seb.
And that was when dominant cars never existed 😀
@Barcelona golden state 2011 was even more dominant
@@andyglastonbury6032 1988 Mclaren? 2010 Red Bull as well was insane in quali and the only reason Vettel didnt dominate that year was because of bad luck
One of the best videos on F1 since years.
every other f1 team especially red bull: the 2014 mercedes chasis was good
mercedes: always has been
@@WinTech4074 No.
@@WinTech4074 2017 as well. Well it's great in slow corners. It able to capitalize on it's mechanical grip. I believe it is the rear suspension design that Newey designed, with an inverted pull type rods. Like a pull-rod?
Very interesting. I was wondering how the changeover from Brawn had gone on behind the scenes. Despite the problems they had up to 2014, there was always that sense that when they made their breakthrough, the car would be championship material. What we didn't know was how important Toto would be to the team's success.
One of the things I've admired most about the team is, actually, the management. Don't get me wrong, of course I admire the drivers and their amazing skills. That goes without saying. I also admire without reservation everyone who's been a part of actually building the car and power train, from the designers to the apprentice spanners (mechanics, for those who don't know the term), even all the auxiliary staff whose jobs make the car builders' jobs possible.
However, from what I've picked up over the last decade, specifically in this era of hybrid cars, the management style is such that every team member - and by that I mean everyone who works there - is given the opportunity to do their job without interference, are allowed to have ideas (and that is such a rare thing in business! I know to the cost of my frazzled nerves...), and the introduction of a no-blame culture. Second to that no-blame culture - which any business worth its salt should adopt immediately if not sooner - is their "what could we have done better?" debriefings after every race. With so many front of grid lockouts and 1-2 finishes, it would be so easy to kick back and enjoy the moment. I've seen teams go down that route. "We did it this way and succeeded, let's not change a thing!" It's an understandable and enticing process, but sitting on one's laurels is likely to end up with you getting a sore bum.
Toto has always framed his words in a positive way. Not "right, what went wrong?" but "what can we improve on?" That mindset is a) easier on the nerves of everyone involved and b) the emphasis on the "we" means the team feel like the management are looking at themselves too. That is beyond valuable for the best atmosphere in any workplace and is far more likely to help find even the smallest improvements if no one's going to blame you for not being perfect to begin with. He's well aware that no one is perfect, but he does expect them all to pitch in and do the very best they can, regardless of their tasks (that request for the one site to work an extra 10 hours a week, and getting the agreement is a good example).
If something goes wrong, he doesn't send out anyone else but always speaks to the press and the buck stops with him. I may have missed it somewhere, but _I've_ never heard him say anything bad about his team, drivers included. He may say, if pushed, that a person (driver or otherwise) didn't have the best race, or words to that effect, but that's as far as I've heard him go. I would have killed for a boss like that when I was working!
Don't underestimate how important he is and has been in regards to turning this team into the dominant one it is today. He's permanently under the impression that another team could come and start taking away their future success, so first thing on Monday, they have that "what's to improve?" meeting. I absolutely believe him when he talks about motorsports, whether it's in general, about another F1 team or his own. You cannot fake his passion for the sport, it's just not possible.
Excellent essay. Well written.
I simply enjoyed your insight and ability to write a top notch essay. It helps having an accessible subject like Toto compared to say Marlboro Man once over there at Ferrari. Or Bernie.
Must say though, I miss Niki Lauda. Just like I'll miss Kimi. Those two have made it all the worthwhile when I shake my head at another Bottas defeat and HAM44 victory. Or merely watching which midfield team will maybe podium, surely scoop up points. Hello, Gasly 😊🤗😉
This was a great video guys! This must have taken a while to get together, well done, great job!
Racing point:
“Write that down, write that down”
Meanwhile HAAS : nobody fok smashes my car
Mercedes: "Pulled a sneaky on ya"
RedBull: 👁👄👁 w u t
Ross brawn:how is that engine going to fit in the car
Mercedes:: we'll make it fit
The rest of f1 good luck with that:
Mercedes:told you it would fit.
Mercedes: "we'll adjust the car to fit the engine"
The fact that a team like this can still come up with incredible innovations like DAS just shows how good they are
the secret is Leadership, teamwork.
That and money. Lots of money.
and continuity
@@dw235 More the former, though. Otherwise Ferrari would not have been where they are right now.
No. Money is ! They make their own batteries , wich are solid state. Half the weight of other and double the capacity.
@@givemeabreak8784 learn to spell or i go to your house and force you
RB still only has a short-term view. They still develop their car deep into the season even when it is clear they don't have a chance to win any titles.
Red Bull got badly baited by Mercedes in 2013 and once again in 2020.
@@sekhyhybrid6701 ... And in 2016, AND in 2017 AND in 2018.... *AND* in 2019...
@@bosshunterman red bull jebaited since 2014
Is more of slowing down from Mercedes then RB catching up.
We won, buddy
@THERACE please can keep up this content 🙏, really enjoying it , would like to see Renault next
awesome video, now waiting for the comments of "its just the car, not the driver" even as in the video they show where Merc offset everyone else by having drivers so good they could hide the cars cornering performance and the quality of the chassis. It is in fact a drivers car and the drivers input made it what it is.
*FACTS!!!* just love all the Verstappen fanbois w/ their "put Max in a Merc," "oh its just the car" BS argument
@Glenn Watson Max wouldn't be splitting the Mercs if he had a competent teammate that was allowed to race him on a weekly basis. Ricciardo starts giving him work & then RB decides to support Max only. let's see how well he does vs. an Alonso, Button or Rosberg
@Glenn Watson the difference w/ the example your making is Lewis has already been through at least 3 teammates who were allowed to race him, Max hasn't
yes Max is aggressive, also hot headed, prone to outbursts (e.g. Stroll incident) & sometimes undisciplined. me personally Lewis just does a lot of mind games his tires are about to go & then proceeds to put in multiple fastest laps. I've yet to see any champion not be a little rattled if the game plan doesn't go accordingly.
I just can't give Max too much credit when he has no competition from a teammate at all, bc the game plan would be altered if he not only had to worry about the rest of the grid, but also had to worry about his teammate as well. like they always say its a lot harder to fight a war on multiple fronts
@Glenn Watson Important points to remember when talking about the car performance & Lewis, Nico & Jenson: the '14 Mercedes was the first one with Hamilton's input in the development, and if you recall there were several occasions over the years where Rosberg had to copy Lewis' setup, as well as have the team show him in the telemetry & live during races exactly where and how Lewis was beating him (and swap his mechanics with Lewis')... to the point the FIA actually had to revise rules on driver coaching. Jenson Button also had to copy Lewis' setup on many occasions over there time as teammates, completely unable to dial in the balance on his own. Toto Wolff & the Mercedes team gave credit to Lewis as being the driving force behind unlocking their car's performance last year after being confused in testing. He said Lewis led them down a development path that initially the team "weren't comfortable" with, but in the end they trusted his judgement, did what he suggested & when it checked out on the data they went back to the drawing board with Lewis' suggestions. the rest is history. It was an interview with Martin Brundle (Lewis & Toto). It's up on both the Mercedes & SkyF1 channels. F1 cars don't develop in a vacuum. There's a reason Red Bull developed the EBD (Vettel wanted more stability in the slower turns... Webber actually hated it).There's a reason nobody but Max Verstappen seems to be capable of consistently getting the best out of that Red Bull. It's not coincidence that Daniel Ricciardo decided to jump ship from RBR not long after Horner announced that they were eager to "build the team around Max". It's a well known fact that one of the biggest weapons in Schumacher's arsenal was getting the engineers to give him exactly what he wanted in a car. Lewis is known for being equally meticulous. After seeing Lewis' telemetry, Jenson Button's father said Jenson told his him that if Lewis ever figured out how to work with the engineers & get the best out of them, the rest of them may well as go home. Looks like he wasn't far off. It's never just the car, but the car is most important. But in development of that car, over a season especially & not just the gestation/creation phase, the driver input is critical.
@Glenn Watson Lewis prefers a car that oversteers too. Apparently Lewis felt that last year's car was too limited by understeer in the slow turns & he wanted to counter that with more initial rotation on the rear. In order to achieve this Mercedes reworked the rear suspension to free up the airflow from the rear wheel to the diffuser so they'd improve the downforce & shift the aero balance rearward, so tires could live with Lewis wanting to rotate the car with the rear end & not slide, overheating these fragile Pirellis. Lewis can cope with oversteer just fine but the tires can't. Some people will imply that some of these drivers could just switch seats & just be faster automatically, but it's never that simple. They have different driving styles (according to Mercedes, Bottas & Lewis are very similar in what they both want, but Lewis seems to be better at managing oversteer... he manages his rear tire wear better & makes less oversteer- induced mistakes). If it were true, Gasly would still be in a Red Bull & Albon wouldn't currently have questions surrounding his seat.
It"s incredible to know, that they started their engine dev, a full year earlier than any other team!
This is quite possibly the best piece you guys have produced thus far. There is a lot of people who need to watch this that think they understand the sport.
Amazing video. Lots of research went into collecting these facts and winding them into the videos narrative.
Great job folks.
It seems unbelievable that Mercedes was the only Team that worked like a proper company would work in the free economic market back than.
Implementing a proper project management back in 2011 for 2014, developing best practice and business cases for the engine development and the leadership to make a team of thousands of employees work together for one common goal is astonishing. This should be a best practice example for companies too.
This shows why strategic planning is so important. You gain a performance gap to your competitors and if you keep on working, you gain for years to come.
As well as I hate to see Mercedes dominating F1 since seven years now, as well do I admire how well Mercedes did prepare for the Hybrid era and how well everything was planned, done and implemented.
mercedes stuck in that positive cycle and I dont see them getting out anytime soon
For real, we need a negative feedback loop as well as a whole host of things to end their dominance. If they are still dominant in 2022 it could hurt the sport.
@@Pman8362 nah i wouldnt go that far if they are winning within the rules they earned it, someone will end the streak eventually
@@TheJGJR9 they did it to ferrari in 2005, no reason to not do it now
@@Pman8362 - what the hell are you talking about, they’re hurting the sport now!?
Swear most people are just bitter about Lewis, hate Mercedes dominance but loved it when Rosberg won 🤣🤣
According to Niki Lauda, whom told Luca di Montezemolo, Mercedes AMG started work on this turbo hybrid engine in 2007....7 years head start. Mercedes were adamant on this turbo hybrid engine in 2012(V-4 ICE) but Ferrari said no so all went to V-6 platform.
Throw in the token system and engine freezes and you have the recipe for Mercedes dominance.
@Amarjit Singh - in F1...yes.
But no British car manufacturer with hybrid tech. Most of the cars available with hybridization in the UK are from other countries.
Germans car manufacturers are into hybridization.
Japan is into hybridization.
Korea is into hybridization.
@@jgonzalesm6 abd since they were ahead with the PU they could probably focus on their chassis that everyone now praise
@@AlphaLeonidas - the chassis is just the monocoque area that includes the front suspension that attaches to the engine with the rear suspension and gearbox.
@@jgonzalesm6 First of all, that is a lie.
Mercedes did invest heavily in Kers, though. They were one of the only cars (mclaren) to effectively run the system. Others such as redbull thought the increase weight (batteries/cooling) wasn't worth the small increase in HP. Renault wanted an I4, ferrari did not. In the end they settled on a v6. The I4 which eventually became the v4 porsche ran in their 919 hybrid le mans prototype - they (VW) were one of many manufacturers shaping the new hybrid formula.
So saying mercedes had a head start is an extreme dilation of the truth. That's like saying redbull had an aero advantage because they have a windtunnel. Every team has a windtunnel and every team was given the regs at exactly the same time. Mercedes simply invested heavily into the project, unlike ferrari and renault.
The token system was once again another unintended consequence of capping team spend. Unfortunately, it locked in mercedes engine advantage for longer than necessary. Furthermore, the engines were not frozen, teams could change the performance parameters over the winter in a system no different from the aero cap incoming next year and the following years. Plus reliability fixes could be conducted token free. The system was meant to stop a spend wars amongst manufacturers.
Anyone saying mercedes had a heart start are the same fools who believed they were only winning because of their PU. It was clear since at least 2013, mercedes knew how to build a chassis. Admittedly, while blistering over a flying lap, the w04 ate it's tires during the race. Tire wear, specifically rear tire overheating has always been the nadir of every mercedes until the w10. I could be argued the w09 post their innovative rear hub blown axle and perforated rear wheel rim.
@@Bahamuttiamat - so your saying Niki Lauda LIED to Luca di Montezemolo about Mercedes starting on this turbo hybrid PU since 2007??
I gave you info in that article btw on another video thread.
This should be a feature length film. Also, if I worked for Mercedes from 2010-2014, I'd wanna win as many championships as possible.
The secret is that everyone at Mercedes eats porridge
Nah they all eat weetabix which are made just down the road from Brixworth! A free delivery lorry comes in each week from Weetabix
Hamilton eats spinach like Popeye. Bottas...🤔🤨💣
It's cool watching old videos of The Race, back when it wasn't 90% clickbait.
Mercedes figured out early on that one of the secrets to F1 was mastering the Pirelli tires
They were the first to use thermal imaging cameras on the cars to track the warm up and have deployed a variety of trick suspensions, wheels, and breaks to warm up the tires on demand.
The importance of this is reflected in the fact that worst races Mercedes have had were all on tracks where they couldn't get the tires to work.
This shouldn't come as a surprise since mastering the Bridgestone rubber was a big part of Ferrari's success in the 00's when the team was run by... *drum roll* Ross Brawn
Pirelli have also twice now changed their compounds mid season due to the complaining of the teams (mostly Mercedes) and low and behold the Merc's performance took an upswing after those changes. Coincidence? I think not.
Fascinating. I'd love to see a detailed comparison of each of Merc's title winning cars in order of most to least dominant.
Great one Scott! I really enjoyed that. Next one should be the secret to RBR success pre turbo-hybrid era please.
Great video. Very interesting insights. What is laughable is that 7 years later and you still have some very clueless people that still say it's just the engine. After 3 major technical regulation changes.
MORE , MORE, MORE........ PLEASE THIS IS EXCELLENT I WILL BE WATCHING FOR MOST TECHNICAL INNER WORKINGS OF THESE GREAT RACE TEAMS. I MUST SAY MERCEDES IS A BIG GAME CHANGER AND EVERYBODY LOVES TO LEARN FROM WHAT WORKS. SO YES WE ALL HERE WILL BE MONITORING THIS CHANNEL VERY CLOSELY THANKS FOR YOUR TIME !!!!!!!
This was a very informative and well produced video. Keep up the good work.
Crazy how much and how fast the channel has grown even in a year. Loving the videos!
Scott the genuinely new information and insight in this video is fascinating and really makes the content stand out from the crowd. Thank you! More!
The channel has been doing excellent work consistently, can't wait to see you guys grow more
Great video. I would literally quit my job and watch them all day if you made enough of them. So yeah, I guess thanks for not making that many.
even though its dominance, its still no doubt this team went from zero to hero
@Barcelona golden state The regulation change was for all teams not only for Merc. Merc managed to adapt to these new regulations much better than the rest. No other team could match them in this regard. Their dominance in F1 today is a testamount to their ability and not luck.
Winning the championship using Honda's money in 2009, with all the personnel and resources Brawn had in place was not 'zero'
@Barcelona golden state put all their resource... After you said that i would have stopped 😅
@Barcelona golden state No, you salty and it shows. Didn't you hear even how the cylinders design were changed by the regulation and the team had to come up with a new design within a year. Also did you watch the video because I am pretty sure it highlighted how it was just not the engine but the chassis and aero were also really strong.
@Barcelona golden state many teams have bogey tracks that's not uncommon. And common sense tells you an engine alone just doesn't get you 7 world titles. If that was the case explain williams, racing point/force India.
Gentlemen, a short view into the past....
Can you repeat the question?
Whatever people say about Merc, They have really built there way up the grid since starting in 2010.
Thieves will win over the fools who believe! Fake history, fake performance! Corona will make it forget this fallen malefic-pollution-and-history-star! Not one single race to have the WOW effect of Honda. Ex-Honda must praise its beginnings!
Bruh tf
@@baysea259 thank you for confirming you are among fooled fools! More please!
Ok I guess 🅱️ERRARI fan
@@lovemademan The Prophet has spoken
All well and good, but the highlight of this is chappie's arm slipping off the desk @4:53. Lovely stuff.
Is anybody else ridiculously excited for the 2022 rule changes? Will be so interesting to see if Mercedes can continue to dominate or whether another team can get in the mix. Hope it's the latter!
This is one of my favorite “The Race” Videos.
Best F1 Channel on RUclips by far 👏🏼
Came back 2021 to see the journey all over. Pretty great video
What a video! What a fantastic video, I had to rewind a few times to inhale the complete intent of your research. Well done. Thank you.
It worked too because Ferrari and Red Bull have focussed too much on the engine.
I love it Weldone guys, great channel arguably the best for motorsports lovers its a must subscribe.
Great video guys! Really enjoyed this one. Keep it up.
Oh come on, 8 ads in less than 6 minutes. As much as I like your content I'm really not that desperate to be sold too
Strange that Paddy Lowe never got a mention in this video, or the accompanying podcast 🤔
Paddy lowe didn't join till the middle of the 2013 season. He probably had very little to do with the 2014 car
I would like you to do a video similar to this but about red bull during 2010-2013 dominance
Somebody just read "Total Competition" and made a video about it...!! interesting stuff, but if anyone wants to really understand how Brawn did this, the pressure he was under, and how much he got shafted by Mercedes when it all came to a head, I can highly recommend that book, it's a great insight.
Thank you for this absolutely brilliant recap.
Where can i get that picture from the thumbnail of this video?
Great video and great insight, nice one
I'd be great to get other teams reactions to these revelations
Redbull: FFS
Ferrari/binotto: it’s all part of my Ferrari grand master plan TM
Imagine Schummi in 2014+ Mercedes 🤩
"Playing down the chassis accomplishment."
The chassis dept will take a note of that
Binotto: "Download the video and tell the guys there is special meeting, we must see video and takes notes, bring lots of pens and pads".
Binotto´s assistant: "we are loooooking".
So they threw endless pots of money at ERS since 2009, and the '14 chassis since 2010, and were testing cylinders before the regulations were even decided. Wow, what a massive surprise
It was a risky plan, but luck was on their side.
Fantastic video
really great content guys, get in there!
Ooh, an inline-4 engine in F1.... I'd love to see that....
Scott what happened to other program, you were in with several colleagues in a TV studio. I enjoy both programs, or shows, so keep up the good work. I believe you live I Sweden? Anyway good luck, stay safe.
*F1 casual fan:* B-b-but Schumacher was telling all those people how to design a car and the engine.
A video about mclarens down fall and what went wrong
Great, Scott! 😉👍
Hey, this was a fantastic piece Scott Mitchell and The Race 👍It's important we understand the history on why this team was so great and learn from it.
Edit: Only bit of feedback I have is that I feel you should include sources in text on the screen for some of the info otherwise you could be telling me anything lol. I trust you but ya know, at least let me know there's a credible source out there.
I'd like a detailed, as much as possible, look at the Mercedes engine. The turbocharger setup. Etc.
Maybe when they retire 😂
great content
Where did you guys get this amazing info from?
All it shows is hard work always pays!!
If you’re telling us, I guess they aren’t secrets, are they😂 but great video🤙🏽
Loved it 👍
I don't know where to find the staff that each team has. But, judging by Hamilton's post race interviews, Mercedes F1 is around 1800 or 1900 employees now. So to me, the secret (or not so secret) to their success would be that they have a huge number of employees.
looked so easy from the outside, but hell this was a constant struggle!
Don’t understand why the media constantly talks about Merc leaving the sport or Lewis leaving.
These guys have one so much to get so good, why would they stop???
Very annoying to hear the constant moaning from fans and commentators.
Idk if you could say red bull was duped. Sebastian won 9 races in a row because of that development. Who's to say they'd be more successful overall if they switched attention earlier?
Do a video on the 2016-17-18 cars
Very nice!
Great stuff
Nice needs more ad's tho
The fact that they literally post videos giving insight into their car and strategy and still cant be beat is fucking insane.
I would love to see more on red bull .
This was great
There is no secret just alot if hard work striving for an unachievable perfection, working hard and working smart is key, as Ferrari has proved that even with all the resources and money in the world you can't just buy a championship, you have to have both to compete in the modern world!!
It's impossible for the Germans to do anything badly. Absolute genius in how to approach competition.
Yeah, especially since their R&D is done in the UK
Racing point engineers watching this video
"take notes, write that down, we can use it next year"
Honestly, this could have been your best upload yet but why rush the narration so much? Some really amazing insights/stories shared here that just had no time to be developed or appreciated before moving straight into another at lightning speed. Irony here is that you needed the Ferrari power unit to power this vid, not the Mercedes one
What a load a crap. Great team but let's not buy the 'almost in shambles' crap. They were never in shambles. They were primed and ready for this era before it even began
Been watching the hybrid era from the start. Mercedes always were like this even though they have a better car than Schumacher had with Ferrari.
Mercedes master plan
The plan that actually works as opposed to the Ferrari master plan.
Confirming that very few people watch F1, they just sit and listen to what of people say about F1.
2014-2020, Formula One will never get such a dominance era ever. Mercedes were on another level for the entire decade.
Hmmmm
That s what happened when a team develops the engine years before the others have started… and with people at charge that influenced the rules to be on their side
@@alx.972 Yes! Losers are gonna always say this! It's expected.
Next we'll be finding out that teamwork and not the chassis was also instrumental in the winning... And that was also just more misdirection 😉
Will the cars be back in their proper, Silver, colour next year?
No, in 2022 they will.
TL, DR: The biggest trick the devil ever pulled off..
BTW, We need a race down in Africa!!
It’s gonna take a lot from Dominicaaaali’s creew
Would be better if you were more specific. That's like saying we need a race in Asia. But where?
Personally, I'd take South Africa and upgrade and widen Kyalami. heard it's good.
@@arunaswaminathan487 go listen sim dane's - "Toto africa". You would understand what I am talking. Also if you haven't discovered that channel, then tank me later.
That would be great if South Africa wasn't financially rotting away.
Nice work!
Anyone who thinks mercedes advantages are down to the engines are in deed fools. I mean williams have the same engines and they’re nowhere.
always love me some industrial secrecy.. never correct your competitors in a mistake.. if anything, encourage it.