6:17 I mean if Jaguar was meant to be the British Ferrari, all that stuff about revolving door management and corporate interference sounds like they succeeded
@@borismuller86 If they could. AF didn't even have the decency to remove the seatbelts both to further optimize and reduce weight plus give the drivers a chance to run... 😜🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I mean most car manufacturers couldn't give less of a shit whether their drivers lived or died as long as they won races. I'm never going to forget Lancia removing the bottom plate armour from the Delta S4 and placing the fuel tank below the driver. Or Porsche filling the 917's hollow tube chassis with flammable gas. Or Honda giving the RA302 race car magnesium skin and an air-cooled engine.
I loved the era when manufacturers would take a gamble on F1 when they were totally unprepared. I can’t see that ever happening again - it feels like the 4 we have now is the most we’ll ever get
The cars/engines are too complex and require too much financial investment. Manufactures are not there to lose money, they want good results so that translates into sales of their cars. We forget that motorsport is simply a big advertising campaign for companies. That's all it really is.
F1 is not the same, only the big ones win while the rest just sit back and get points, no real competition, I want all team to race and win, not a handful, also love to see every car manufacture or team to return or form, because why not
@@lostalone9320 You must bet kidding, right? LH never drove a much less capable machinery. He has always had one of the, if not THE, best car. He is good, but there are multiple drivers that would’ve gotten the same results if they had the same car. Indycar are same spec cars, that means that the dominant teams just have better guidance for their drivers and are better at finetuning and setting up their cars. The names you mention aren’t the least names in motorsport…
Lotus in 1970: Simplify, then add lightness Lotus in 1990: Friggin lambo v12 Ohhhh, how the turntables The lambo was actually very good in the mclaren in 93
Insert 2 clips 1 is a Lotus 72 neatly driving around Brands or something. Its quite nice and almost poetic. The other is an onboard of the Lotus 98T going round adelaide heel and toeing like mad and losing the rear end on exit in a 1400 horsepower 5 bar boost renault engine.
No offense, but Porsche really. As a McLaren engine supplier win hat-trick of drivers titles and back-to-back constructor titles. Alfo Romeo as well, won first back-to-back driver titles.
Failed as a manufacturer. Which means they made the engine as well. If Alfa Romeo or Mclaren succeeded and won titles, but with other manufacturer engines inside, then it doesn't count for this video. For example, if McLaren would win this year it would be with an Renault engine, not their own Mclaren engine
Yes. As an engine supplier Porsche was the most successful maker in F1 for such a short period of time it participated..but then everyone likely assumed they would...I guess they always preferred their dominant Lemans 24 races for a marketing platform
Man, all these people citing Ferrari crack me up. 🤣 Imagine being considered a historic failure for a few disappointing seasons after winning 16 constructor titles. Anyway, I wouldn’t have included Lancia, Porsche and Alfa Romeo. The last two for the same reason I find hilarious the comments about Ferrari. You can’t say they failed because of a few bad seasons when you look at what they achieved. BMW is more a failure than Porsche I think. They won a couple of championships in the 80s but they screwed up big time when they took over Sauber. They were supposed to take on Ferrari and McLaren but all they did was fortuitously winning just one race.
well BMW was already catching up with the like of mclaren and ferrari but then the economic crisis happened... leaving BMW to not invest as much in the F1-project and therefore becoming a shit team in 2009 which led them to stay away from f1 :( So I would not describe BMW as a failure maybe more of a victim of the economic circumstances of that time :(
Those early Jaguars were beautiful. The green colour was incredible too. I was lucky enough to have lunch with the mechanics on one particular tyre test when Eddie Irvine was unfortunately ill and couldn’t be there which was a real shame
Aww man, I was already laughing by this point, but then to mention their biggest impact being the armco at Monaco sent me into tears 😂😂. Then Subaru hot on the heals of that, i was done 🤣🤣🤣
Enjoyable video, but Alfa & Porsche making the list is incredibly harsh. Both constructors have Championships to their name. I'd also say Lancia's inclusion is quite questionable.
Read the book Formula 1 Car by Car 1980-1989 to see what a catastrophe Alfa Romeo was. Year after year its engines were overweight and guzzled gas in an era where full economy was crucial.
Toyota's F1 outing definitely shows that corporate meddling can be a key to a failed team. I do respect Japanese hardworking attitude, but that's all I do.
Honda in F1 is the real picture of the Japanese workflow. Just pure ambition and desire to improve. I mean sure, there are other japanese brands like Suzuki & Yamaha, which constantly rival with Honda on the motorbike championship, but Honda is the only japanese, in fact, the only asian manufacturer to succeed in Formula 1. To be fair, Toyota has some dominance and history in Le Mans World Endurance Racing.
If only they could have held out until atleast 2014... considering Toyota being the absolute grandmasters when it comes to hybrid engines. We'd be talking about Toyota's dominance for the last 6 years in F1; not Mercedes.
@@Lowdo1549 nope they wouldn't, even though the car was amazing their engine was scheiße, so the change to merc engine was crucial, at least thats what brawn said
Evandro Chaves no much has changed there then 😂 double diffuser advantage and ongoing dev through the season would surely have put them in the mix, even with the Honda donkey.
@@kris10an64 I know makes no sense to me neither. Ferrari is the most successful team in f1 lol they have the most wins and most championships, just because they're having an off year people tend to think they're a failure. And no im not a Ferrari fan just hate when people talk out their ass.
@BlazingFermiteYT you kind of proved my point how can a team be classified as a failure when they have been there literally since the beginning. A failure would be what happend with toyota or any of the other teams that are no longer racing for that matter. yes they haven't been on top for a while but yet they still have been getting paid more then everyone else, again I wouldn't consider that a failure.
It was a pity McLaren were so impatient with Peugeot I really think that could have been great for both parties. I think it would be delivering wins and championships long before they had with Merc.
The corporate culture was the reason Peugeot failed in F1. Most of their employees were hired by Mercedes, Renault and went on to enjoy a huge success.
@@mercian9425 It was a joke answer, but gotta admit, I did not know that, I thought it was some crazy low, symbolic price. Not that 7 million dollars is a lot of money for Alaska.
Yamaha was the best example of F1 tech making it to road engines - the valve-control technology that miserable failed on the racetrack generated millions of revenues in dealerships.
In college I used to work at Firebird Raceway near Phoenix where the Subaru was tested. Lots of cool stuff there, and after work I could take my ‘88 535is on the road course where the Subaru was for a couple hot laps. Fun times
Spyker nevertheless wasn't a big manufacturer in the first place. Imagine Trust, Jumbo, Spyker and Honda working together on a Dutch team with Max Verstappen and Nyck de Vries in the car.
Spyker is not that old compared with Aston Martin, Peugot, Honda, Lamborghini, but it's one of the dutch manufacturers who produces exclusive cars, als like Donkervoort, but i don't know if Spyker has his own engine when they did F1. And there cars are now pink, Racing Point Aston Martin was former Spyker.
Don't forget to mention Ford. They've been engines suppliers for 38 years, from 1966 to 2004, and associated to constructor championship 10 times during that period.
Honda is in F1 again since 2015 as an engine manufacturer for Mclaren but things didn't went like before. In 2019 till now, they made engines for Redbull and Alpha Tauri.
Great video guys! I never realised how every major manufacturer, whether under their own name or a small marque they've purchased have entered F1. Only name I think you missed was BMW. While not a complete failure, their time in F1 was short and not particularly successful.
I always wonder what would have happened if Toyota had stayed in. They had an unpolished gem with Kobayashi, and I think that they surely could have won at least one race.
Did Toyota really fail though? In those seven years, they had less than five mechanical failures, and they walked away with an engine program that directly influenced their road going motors and their LMP1 programs, giving them almost perfect reliability.
Toyota used at least 10 times more money then the next high spending team, they said in advance that it was easy for Toyota to win F1 , make a car, join the F1, and win F1 .did not take a singel advice from any other team , they belived they had the answer to any problem, They faild BIG time, the did not have the know how at this level. For the record, there is only 2 countrys in the world that can and are making F1 cars, England and Italy, all the other teams/makes not Italian are developed in England by British engineers , from A to Z , only the money comes from Mercedes or Honda or whatever the make/brand is, like this it has been for a long time., Toyota tryed, Merceds tryed Honda tryed and so forth, but in the end the English to over...
Jordan was especially robbed of having a consistently-good engine supplier and still was punching way above their weight taking fights to McLaren and Ferrari. How differently for Eddie's team it could have been if they wound up with the massive Vodafone sponsorship deal he was supposed to get and BMW power.
You hit the nail on the head! It makes me wonder why some huge manufacturers don't make the F1 scene, and yet they don't. Perhaps they need to persevere a little longer.
You guys are destroying Autosport. I don’t know who’s idea was to employ personnel with no credentials or knowledge whatsoever. By splitting, you did a master stroke. I admire you for such a move. Keep it up!
I see the rationale about including Alfa Romeo's 70s/80s entry as well as Porsche's partnership with Footwork as "separate" from their title-winning efforts years prior...by that logic however, BMW needs to be in this list, and Honda should be in it twice - the 60s full works team, the late 90s / early 2000s engine supplies and full works team.
@@riccardoplatone well, AMR01 won't be possible because they had a AMR1 already, it was the 1989 LMP1 car (yeah, i know, it was Group C back then, not lmp1 ;) )
Bugatti who entered one race, France in 1956. One of the first ever mid engined F1 cars it also used a splitter in its radiator to divert air under the car in much the same way that the Tyrell would 20 years later.
Peugeot was screwed by FIA. When they phased out Group C, they lured manufacturers into developing 3.5L engines for the new WSC. Peugeot did, but others didn't, so the class flopped; soon F1 also adopted 3.5L engines, and Peugeot had one they couldn't use elsewhere, but was designed for endurance racing...
Except covid-19 left big mark on economics, and wasn't Toyota left F1 because financial problem left by 2008 economic crisis? I don't think Toyota will be back since they've been successful in other categories like Le Mans.
No chance if the power unit regulations remain as financially off putting as they are currently. Deleting the MGU-H would help an awful lot. I know this would be a technological step backwards, but I can't see another solution to the problem.
Matthew Lee It is true anyways F1 is already monopolized by Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari(that is falling from the boat if the maffia would pump a lot of money on them) thanks to stupid Ecclestone who sold F1 to Liberty idk if it is worth it to watch F1. There are other race events like Indy CAR, DTM, FE and Super Formula that do a great job with competing manufacturers that are fighting fare and square and almost as good as F1 pilots. You can’t begin from zero when the bigger teams got more materials, better engineers, better managers and really good technicians AND the money and for other teams it is like a gamble where they will end up starting from the grid even to hold the pace
I'd love this to happen to, but I honestly doubt it. Remember that those regulations were originally planned for 2021, and that preparing a new F1 entry takes a very long time (Honda spent two years preparing for their return, and that was only as an engine supplier). If any new manufacturers were coming into the sport because of the regulation changes, they would have said so months ago. If they were to only start now, they'd be leaving it too late IMO.
As Stewart the team punched well above their weight, as Jaguar, with a vastly improved budget, they failed, mainly due to Ford senior management appointing unsuitable team managers, and with the only real F1 boss, Niki Lauda, instead of letting Niki run the show, Richard Parry-Jones interfered too much, and Niki Lauda resigned or was sacked, Ford sold the team to Red Bull, and the rest is history.
1. Senna was going to Williams anyway for 1994 so whether McLaren adapted the Lamborghini engine (which reportedly would be renamed Chrysler for marketing purposes since Chrysler owned Lamborghini back then) would be irrelevant because Senna would always drive for Williams. 2. Lamborghini is owned by Volkswagen today. Unless Volkswagen decides that F1 is worth their time and money - and right now they seem very indifferent to it - you won't see Volkswagen or Audi in F1, never mind Lamborghini. 3. Koenigsegg is a tiny company which has nowhere near the funds to be able to enter F1 as an engine manufacturer. Considering they didn't even design their V8 and actually just modified a Ford Modular V8 I wouldn't expect them to know much about state-of-the-art F1 power units. So you keep hoping the rest of your life but you'll never see a major Swedish manufacturer like Volvo in F1, let alone a tiny company like Koenigsegg. Just imagine if you actually had bothered to do some research first?
@@paulallen8109 You mean their first engines? Koenigseggs designs and builds their own powertrain. While it may sound like a Modular V8 from Ford, Twin Turbo with 1.1k hp is very different from a Crown Victoria ,_,
@@paulallen8109 The first fact, was a matter of context. Senna wanted to be in the fastest car, that happened to the the Williams. (He offered to drive for free to Williams, but Prost's contract said Ayrton couldn't be his teammate under any circumstances) He wanted to win championships because he was getting older, and he knew his career would end soon. 1993 was the year he took the most out of his car, and if you search, Ron Dennis was looking for a Renault engine (the same from the Williams) he tested the Lambo engines, and Peugeot engines, Senna wanted the Lambo V12 at any cost, but Ron Dennis denied it at the end, so he moved to Williams and died in the third race. I'm saying that, maybe, just maybe, if McLaren was fast enought he would've stayed. And sorry for my grammar again.
Well done, I learned two things today. Subaru was in F1, and Toyota never won a race. I'd always assumed they won some random race at one time or another. But Toyota, arguably one of the greatest auto manufacturers ever to not win an F1 race after several years? Yup that's a fail.
Lancia & Subaru? Blimey I had no idea!! Great episode. Request to the admin - pls increase the sound of ur recording. Give option to us listeners to reduce our device's volume cos even at full blast, I can hardly hear you
There's more to Suburu. After pulling out of F1, the Colinni team put up its tooling and engines for auction. Then one of the men there managed to get in contact with a young Christian Von Koenigsegg who bid and won those toolings and the Suburu flat 12 engine. The engine fit into his prototype CC and seemed like a great option as it acted like a chassis member but wasn't viable as the engine was good for 750 bhp with turbos. In the end the engine was dropped for a Ford unit which would ultimately go on to power Koenigsegg cars in the future.
Seems like it went like this during scripting. "We can't have a top 7. It needs to be a top 10. So just add Alfa, Porsche, and yes, Lancia too eventhough it didn't fail, it just didn't have post war funding."
Lancia's a bit questionable, but the particular stints that Alfa and Porsche were listed here were fair. For Alfa, they were mid-pack at best in their 80s stint and their 1985 car was so bad they have to revert back to the 1984 car mid-season. For Porsche, I'm sure people have high expectations when the Footwork 3512 project was first announced given the successes they have in sports car racing and the last time they were in F1 with the TAG Porsche engine, they brought home 3 WDCs and 2 WCCs. The results of the 3512 clearly proved to be anything but a success.
Well, the Lancia-Ferrari partnership would indeed explain the whole Lancia Stradale naming and the Stratos designer! Still, even I didn't know they ever took part in F1 and I will confess to something of a soft spot for Lancias for, what I feel, is a good reason!
Well that's a very interesting, very narrow, very corporate definition of "failed," for it to include the Lancia D50 that WON THE 1956 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP in the hands of Scuderia Ferrari, and to emphasize the later, unsuccessful efforts of the multiple championship-winning Alfa Romeo and Porsche. I'm disappointed in Edd, and will likely view all of his analysis through a more skeptical lens in the future.
Lancia undoubtedly failed, but not because the product was not up to the job. The D50 was a revolutionary car and could easily have won 2 or even 3 world championships. I also do not see how Alfa Romeo can be included given that it won the chanpionship a couple of times. All teams go through bad periods as Ferrari has often done and as McClarren is currently experiencing. I also tend to agree with you about Porsche, but lists like this are always difficult to compile.
Guys I love your content really, The lists are fantastic, one of the best channels for formula one content. But please, sort out the volume of your videos, I can’t watch without subtitles and I get ear r*ped when the ad pops up half way through
Yeah, a shame since the 2010 car was supposedly going to be very competitive, according to the data. Moreover, a Japanese driver in a Japanese team winning races would’ve been great for marketing.
@@anonymous-vo2rd i will be happy if nissan will be a one team because nissan have more potential than Toyota nissan have been in f1 for some time they are the engine supplier of toro Rosso before and now their teaming up with Renault
@@Henstory-k1p They've been in F1 as Infiniti Infiniti were Title sponsors of Red Bull not Toro Rosso They're currently with Renault but Infiniti are leaving Europe at the end of this year which means Renault will need to look for a new primary sponsor Also Nissan are busy with their FE team as Nissan E.Dams after Renault withdrew from Formula E
the footwork engine ended up in the porsche carrera gt and the subaru/motori moderni was supposed to end up in the first running Koenigsegg Prototype, but was replaced in the end by a highly modified Ford Coyote engine, due to high weight and low reliability of the subaru boxer.
Jaguar REALLY got its start in 1950 when Clemente Biondetti entered his machine in the Italian Grand Prix. The machine in particular was a Ferrari 166 S with a Jaguar XK L6 engine. It was woefully off the pace and only lasted 17 laps before the engine expired.
I might be most disappointed with Lamborghini. They had a failing team and instead of taking the time and spending the money to make it better they gave up and quit
Lamborghini also should've convinced McLaren to get their engines for 1994 instead of Peugeot because while Lamborghini was unreliable Peugeot was not meant for Grand Prix racing.
l I've been wondering for some time now; how hard would it be for the team that designed and build the TS050 LMP1 car to design and build a competitive F1 car, or in the least an F1 engine? Still, had they not throw in the towel in '09 and held out untill 2014. We'd be talking about Toyota's dominance in F1 and not Mercedes
well... they only had success without competition ;) they lost out to Audi and Porsche. so i'm not really sure they'd be much more successful now than back in their old f1 days. might fight Renault
They really weren't all that succesfull until all the other LMP1 manufacturers retired (i think they won the WEC championship one year before that but let's be honest, companies enter endurance to win Le Mans)
How about Talbot? They raced in the very first F1 race exactly seventy years ago this weekend, and then returned briefly in the 1980s. You could also have had De Tomaso.
@@DM0407 I was talking about Lotus-Caterham (2010-2014), not Lotus-Renault where Kimi won 2 races in 2012-2013. Yep, BMW was quite good as a manufacturer and they often reached podiums and victories with Williams. But only one with Kubica in 2008 as a constructor.
@@fabiendmng2111 ralf schumacher was a crasher at a level like grosjean.... sure they would have need a good driver.... kubica was a good choice but there also would have been better choices (for example fernando alonso) :D if they would have been faster (in contacting alonso, not the car) than renault they could have had 2 WC with alonso instead of renault...
See a few teams here screwed up royalty jaguar is a head scratcher when they have made V12s for a long time when they entered Formular one and begged the question of why didn't use a factory V12 modified for the 90s but for the future Subaru, Toyota,And Peugeot come back they all have V6 hybrids in production and also be cool to see Yamaha bring a motorcycle engine based hybrid system that would be bat shit mental
Variety. People always wanna see their favourite manufacturers scrapping it out for success. Not sure how that fact is so surprising.. That's kinda part of the reason why I watch so many other series and formula, (like FE) than F1. The importance of privateers can't be understated but often, it's the manufacturers that the fans are most amazed by.
True the chassis make the difference with RB, Williams and McLaren as an example but in the end F1 would fit in as a real Motorsport if there is more than 7 manufacturers on the grid and now bigger manufacturers are dominating F1 right now and are able to produce reliable engines for them selves and ‘cheaper less powerful engines’ to other teams so finally and hopefully the old days of F1 are coming back ‘we are liberated by those ugly hybrid engines’
6:17 I mean if Jaguar was meant to be the British Ferrari, all that stuff about revolving door management and corporate interference sounds like they succeeded
and never winning. They were ahead of their time.
OHHH SNAP
Except Sir William Lyons didn't live in a valley with a narrow-minded view of the outside world! So, another way in which they failed then!
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Yes, thats why its made in India today
Thank you Netflix for making me properly obsessed with F1. It was such an effective brainwashing that I watch The Race vids at 3a NY time!
Same here bro, im in indy, but my fams from ny and nj
What Netflix show is it?
I feel bad for you guys, but I'm glad you're in the F1 bubble 😂
@@SaintGBar22 Drive To Survive
Damn right man. I love F1 now and I'm surprised that I took such an interest after watching just a documentary
Subaru: "Listen, its gonna be a boxer engine or I'm out."
Everyone else: "Dont you want to be competitive?"
Subaru: ✌
Lies again? Never Study
1:17 whoever design that snake fangs has my ultimate respect 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Yes
The nose Vinyl is so good.
Jordan. You missed a great period if you didn’t see it.
@@Platesmasher I didn't even know what F1 was back den 😬
Totally agreed. One of my favourite F1 liveries ever.
Tell me why Toyota reminds me of the current Renault.... corporate are too prideful to blame themselves
Can’t compare... Renault has won multiple World Championships...
@@AttilatheThrilla In the 2000s
@@AttilatheThrilla that was a ver y diferent renault
Nono the the not knowing how to blame themselves is ferrari
Sergeant Supreme Doesn’t matter when.....
1:14 that Jordan cobra livery is just something else 🤤🤤
Honestly man 😤
Bitten Hisses
Yep, Jordan's liveries with the nose art were awesome. The 1997 is the best by far though.
Wait, Alfa Romeo emptied their fire extinguisher to lose weight? Imagine doing that to your driver...
In case of fire: RUN.
@@borismuller86 If they could. AF didn't even have the decency to remove the seatbelts both to further optimize and reduce weight plus give the drivers a chance to run...
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Yeah I mean most car manufacturers couldn't give less of a shit whether their drivers lived or died as long as they won races. I'm never going to forget Lancia removing the bottom plate armour from the Delta S4 and placing the fuel tank below the driver. Or Porsche filling the 917's hollow tube chassis with flammable gas. Or Honda giving the RA302 race car magnesium skin and an air-cooled engine.
I loved the era when manufacturers would take a gamble on F1 when they were totally unprepared. I can’t see that ever happening again - it feels like the 4 we have now is the most we’ll ever get
The cars/engines are too complex and require too much financial investment. Manufactures are not there to lose money, they want good results so that translates into sales of their cars. We forget that motorsport is simply a big advertising campaign for companies. That's all it really is.
Honda was pretty unprepared... they didn't get a good idea of how restrictive was the token system. Mercedes' dirty little secret.
F1 is not the same, only the big ones win while the rest just sit back and get points, no real competition, I want all team to race and win, not a handful, also love to see every car manufacture or team to return or form, because why not
@@lostalone9320 You must bet kidding, right? LH never drove a much less capable machinery. He has always had one of the, if not THE, best car. He is good, but there are multiple drivers that would’ve gotten the same results if they had the same car.
Indycar are same spec cars, that means that the dominant teams just have better guidance for their drivers and are better at finetuning and setting up their cars. The names you mention aren’t the least names in motorsport…
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Gesticulate instead of changing gear, yep italian confirmed
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@eduard ionitsa
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Oh, mamma mia, whya ya don'ta geta outa of la mya waya🤏🤏?
TenorCantusFirmus I’m italian and now I feel offended, but I can’ta stopa laughinga🤏🏻
@@monicatozzo1106 I'm Italian too - Just was being self-ironical.
The "Scheiße" on the monitor got me :D
I was just looking for exactly a comment like this xD
Wo denn?😂
@@iPwnZz irgendwo als es um Porsche ging, meine ich zumindest
When?
@@rogerrzzz5204 10:35
Lotus in 1970: Simplify, then add lightness
Lotus in 1990: Friggin lambo v12
Ohhhh, how the turntables
The lambo was actually very good in the mclaren in 93
they kinda lost their speed when Colin Chapman died
@@pretentiousarrogance3614 Absolutely
Insert 2 clips
1 is a Lotus 72 neatly driving around Brands or something. Its quite nice and almost poetic.
The other is an onboard of the Lotus 98T going round adelaide heel and toeing like mad and losing the rear end on exit in a 1400 horsepower 5 bar boost renault engine.
*the tables turn...
But yes, you're right.
@@y_fam_goeglyd it's a reference to The Office, an American sitcom.
No offense, but Porsche really. As a McLaren engine supplier win hat-trick of drivers titles and back-to-back constructor titles. Alfo Romeo as well, won first back-to-back driver titles.
Failed as a manufacturer. Which means they made the engine as well. If Alfa Romeo or Mclaren succeeded and won titles, but with other manufacturer engines inside, then it doesn't count for this video. For example, if McLaren would win this year it would be with an Renault engine, not their own Mclaren engine
Yes. As an engine supplier Porsche was the most successful maker in F1 for such a short period of time it participated..but then everyone likely assumed they would...I guess they always preferred their dominant Lemans 24 races for a marketing platform
Wasn't that motor a TAG?
@@colinmunro7337 badged with that name, but it's Porsche engine.
colin munro which is Porsche..yes..the TAGhauer brand was a kind if a joint venture..
Man, all these people citing Ferrari crack me up. 🤣 Imagine being considered a historic failure for a few disappointing seasons after winning 16 constructor titles.
Anyway, I wouldn’t have included Lancia, Porsche and Alfa Romeo. The last two for the same reason I find hilarious the comments about Ferrari. You can’t say they failed because of a few bad seasons when you look at what they achieved.
BMW is more a failure than Porsche I think. They won a couple of championships in the 80s but they screwed up big time when they took over Sauber. They were supposed to take on Ferrari and McLaren but all they did was fortuitously winning just one race.
well BMW was already catching up with the like of mclaren and ferrari but then the economic crisis happened... leaving BMW to not invest as much in the F1-project and therefore becoming a shit team in 2009 which led them to stay away from f1 :( So I would not describe BMW as a failure maybe more of a victim of the economic circumstances of that time :(
Yeah.
Ferrari was awful in the 80's through to about 96.
@@lukasahrens9999 well still fail in F1.
@@Yeetin_Boomer_Actual *97*
F1 equivalent of the LA Lakers lol
“Anglo-French relations were poor” what? No, I can’t believe it!
Those early Jaguars were beautiful. The green colour was incredible too.
I was lucky enough to have lunch with the mechanics on one particular tyre test when Eddie Irvine was unfortunately ill and couldn’t be there which was a real shame
10:35 I saw what you did there....
Aww man, I was already laughing by this point, but then to mention their biggest impact being the armco at Monaco sent me into tears 😂😂. Then Subaru hot on the heals of that, i was done 🤣🤣🤣
Enjoyable video, but Alfa & Porsche making the list is incredibly harsh. Both constructors have Championships to their name. I'd also say Lancia's inclusion is quite questionable.
Really you have to look at Alfa in the 80s separately from what was before. And the Porsche effort in 91 was woeful.
Read the book Formula 1 Car by Car 1980-1989 to see what a catastrophe Alfa Romeo was. Year after year its engines were overweight and guzzled gas in an era where full economy was crucial.
@@mccririck01 Which car manifacturer haven`t had any failure in F1???
Bmw is much more worthy
Lancia had some success , but only when it was called Lancia-Ferrari.
Toyota's F1 outing definitely shows that corporate meddling can be a key to a failed team. I do respect Japanese hardworking attitude, but that's all I do.
Honda in F1 is the real picture of the Japanese workflow. Just pure ambition and desire to improve.
I mean sure, there are other japanese brands like Suzuki & Yamaha, which constantly rival with Honda on the motorbike championship, but Honda is the only japanese, in fact, the only asian manufacturer to succeed in Formula 1.
To be fair, Toyota has some dominance and history in Le Mans World Endurance Racing.
Toyota´s biggest mistake was to pull the plug... because they overestimated the economic crisis ^^
And Honda. They would've easily won the 2009 championships. Gutted for them.
If only they could have held out until atleast 2014... considering Toyota being the absolute grandmasters when it comes to hybrid engines. We'd be talking about Toyota's dominance for the last 6 years in F1; not Mercedes.
@@Lowdo1549 nope they wouldn't, even though the car was amazing their engine was scheiße, so the change to merc engine was crucial, at least thats what brawn said
@@evandrochaves9596 And Nick Fry wrote the same in his book. The change to the Mercedes was crucial to what Brawn achieved
Evandro Chaves no much has changed there then 😂 double diffuser advantage and ongoing dev through the season would surely have put them in the mix, even with the Honda donkey.
Jaguar Was One Of The Best Liveries Ever!
Eddie Irvine post-Ferrari: I drive a Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggg...
Agreed
a good looking green car is hard to come by in this sport
I have to agree that it looked good. The red really set it off.
And Toyota to!
10:35 "SCHEISSE" on the monitor is a nice touch 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, noticed that too
Top Manufacturers that failed in F1:
2020 Ferrari
What?
@@kris10an64 I know makes no sense to me neither. Ferrari is the most successful team in f1 lol they have the most wins and most championships, just because they're having an off year people tend to think they're a failure. And no im not a Ferrari fan just hate when people talk out their ass.
@BlazingFermiteYT you kind of proved my point how can a team be classified as a failure when they have been there literally since the beginning. A failure would be what happend with toyota or any of the other teams that are no longer racing for that matter. yes they haven't been on top for a while but yet they still have been getting paid more then everyone else, again I wouldn't consider that a failure.
@BlazingFermiteYT oh ok, well my bad I thought otherwise.
Definitely
It was a pity McLaren were so impatient with Peugeot I really think that could have been great for both parties. I think it would be delivering wins and championships long before they had with Merc.
The corporate culture was the reason Peugeot failed in F1. Most of their employees were hired by Mercedes, Renault and went on to enjoy a huge success.
Porsche failed in Formula One? Did you forget Daniel Sexton Gurney's winning Porsche 804 at the French GP in 1962?
They did pretty well with Merc from 95 to 2012
There's one thing McLaren has never done. Trust in italians.
@@Ale70594 Peugeot is French though.
You forgot to mention that redbull baught Jaguar for $1
XD
@@joshuaboyd1084 I thought that was the US buying Alaska for $1
with a commitment to invest 400 million over the next 3 seasons.
@@mercian9425 It was a joke answer, but gotta admit, I did not know that, I thought it was some crazy low, symbolic price. Not that 7 million dollars is a lot of money for Alaska.
@@ondraspendlik9759 adjusting for inflation it was about 100 million
Yamaha was the best example of F1 tech making it to road engines - the valve-control technology that miserable failed on the racetrack generated millions of revenues in dealerships.
In college I used to work at Firebird Raceway near Phoenix where the Subaru was tested. Lots of cool stuff there, and after work I could take my ‘88 535is on the road course where the Subaru was for a couple hot laps. Fun times
Me: wondering if Spyker will be on the list.
*glorious flashbacks of a leading Winkelhock*
Me: sigh of relief
Magic Markus
Spyker nevertheless wasn't a big manufacturer in the first place.
Imagine Trust, Jumbo, Spyker and Honda working together on a Dutch team with Max Verstappen and Nyck de Vries in the car.
Spyker is not that old compared with Aston Martin, Peugot, Honda, Lamborghini, but it's one of the dutch manufacturers who produces exclusive cars, als like Donkervoort, but i don't know if Spyker has his own engine when they did F1. And there cars are now pink, Racing Point Aston Martin was former Spyker.
They’re called Missing Point now
Don't forget to mention Ford. They've been engines suppliers for 38 years, from 1966 to 2004, and associated to constructor championship 10 times during that period.
i wish lambroghini, toyota and honda come back to f1
replace lambo for BMW and i would go with you :D
Lambo could come back if Vw wants to engage a brand in F1 as well as Porsche or Audi tho
@@LesGrosPiedsDeDeejay nah dont think that any of these will start a f1 team.... the only one i can think about would be bugatti
Why? Toyota had suffered enough...
Honda is in F1 again since 2015 as an engine manufacturer for Mclaren but things didn't went like before. In 2019 till now, they made engines for Redbull and Alpha Tauri.
Great video guys! I never realised how every major manufacturer, whether under their own name or a small marque they've purchased have entered F1. Only name I think you missed was BMW. While not a complete failure, their time in F1 was short and not particularly successful.
The only one I can think of that you might have missed would be Matra.
I was thinking the same thing is that idk if Tyrrell was with matra when Stewart was winning in the late 60s thats why they not include it in the list
RPP_LAPSSS No, you’re right. They had both the Matra chassis and engine in 1969 which is why they’re not here.
And caterham
max white Good call. Spyker as well.
@@shanecameron7869 Buggati in the 1950s also.
I always wonder what would have happened if Toyota had stayed in. They had an unpolished gem with Kobayashi, and I think that they surely could have won at least one race.
Did Toyota really fail though? In those seven years, they had less than five mechanical failures, and they walked away with an engine program that directly influenced their road going motors and their LMP1 programs, giving them almost perfect reliability.
For the money invested it was defo not worth it
Short answer - yes, they really fail.
They didn’t win were like fourth a lot, with Ralf Schumacher
Toyota used at least 10 times more money then the next high spending team, they said in advance that it was easy for Toyota to win F1 , make a car, join the F1, and win F1 .did not take a singel advice from any other team , they belived they had the answer to any problem, They faild BIG time, the did not have the know how at this level. For the record, there is only 2 countrys in the world that can and are making F1 cars, England and Italy, all the other teams/makes not Italian are developed in England by British engineers , from A to Z , only the money comes from Mercedes or Honda or whatever the make/brand is, like this it has been for a long time., Toyota tryed, Merceds tryed Honda tryed and so forth, but in the end the English to over...
@@chriskytiri3174 Honda makes their engines in Japan
Whenever i see a jaguar i can't help myself to not think about Jeremy Clarkson saying "it's a jaaaaaaag".
The leaping curry electrical fire
Yeah... I remember when my fellow countryman Alain Prost launched his team... I had so much hopes ....
Pantheon de la FFL
Prost has been a cancer to F1 for a long, long time
@@AttilatheThrilla with 2019 point system he is better than senna
@@cxmmax4265 The 2019 points system is broken.
@@MatthewLee8383 i agree but facts are facts
I always forget how relatively good Arrows and Jordan were in late 1990s
Jordan was especially robbed of having a consistently-good engine supplier and still was punching way above their weight taking fights to McLaren and Ferrari. How differently for Eddie's team it could have been if they wound up with the massive Vodafone sponsorship deal he was supposed to get and BMW power.
@@beckett929 Also that had to do with frenzen getting everything out of the car and still getting booted for that sweet honda money
@@juhosten3463 Jordan were broke. That's why
10:35 Nice little detail
You hit the nail on the head! It makes me wonder why some huge manufacturers don't make the F1 scene, and yet they don't. Perhaps they need to persevere a little longer.
You guys are destroying Autosport.
I don’t know who’s idea was to employ personnel with no credentials or knowledge whatsoever.
By splitting, you did a master stroke. I admire you for such a move.
Keep it up!
Nismo TV evolved into a motorsport channel for all
Elaborate please
Ghost Johnson I’m also curious. Sounds like this guy used to be at Autosport YT channel. I definitely recognize his voice.
@@crazydrummer181 yes he was at Autosport. But the Race is much better!
Gary Anderson to boot. I left Autosport once I heard the fat guys were gone. No foul meant. I'm a chubs myself.
some of these deserve a second chance in F1 2020 MY TEAM
Not Porsche, they powered a bunch of title winning McLarens in the 80’S!
Biz Nasty yes in 84, 85 and 86
This is yes Porsche but not all is cmplite TAG
THANKS for your Series of " 10 " s! That's a LOT of history I wasn't around for!! Cheers for Vancouver, Canada!
I see the rationale about including Alfa Romeo's 70s/80s entry as well as Porsche's partnership with Footwork as "separate" from their title-winning efforts years prior...by that logic however, BMW needs to be in this list, and Honda should be in it twice - the 60s full works team, the late 90s / early 2000s engine supplies and full works team.
My memory of Peugeot's F1 project is Mika Häkkinen's engine doing a spectacular kablooey at the end of the Magny Cours back straight.
I remember Martin Brundle's engine blowing up as he started the British Grand Prix, that was also spectacular!
Peugeot’s engine blowups are the most spectacular I’ve ever seen 😅
still better than gp2 engine, it couldn't even explode properly
Hope Racing Point’s first Aston Martin F1 car continues the original naming convention by being called the DBR6...
Nah probably they will switch to AMR01 or AMR21
@@riccardoplatone well, AMR01 won't be possible because they had a AMR1 already, it was the 1989 LMP1 car (yeah, i know, it was Group C back then, not lmp1 ;) )
I really hope they use the DB prefix from next year either DBR as used to be or DBF
This is one of things I'm most interested in regarding the rebranded team. I hope they choose DBR6 but the problem is they've already used up DBR9.
@@mark6bat As the 2021 car will be a carry-over from this year, next year's car may even still be called the RP20.
Bugatti who entered one race, France in 1956. One of the first ever mid engined F1 cars it also used a splitter in its radiator to divert air under the car in much the same way that the Tyrell would 20 years later.
Peugeot won Le Mans in 1992 and 1993 (not 1991 and 1992).
Anyone trying to erase the Mazda win is gonna be on my bad list. Thanks, Mr Strawman.
Also, that's so easy to research for crying out loud!
Peugeot did win Le Mans in 1991. It was actually their 1st of 3 years in a row that they won the crown jewel of endurance racing.
I'd like to see more manufacturer teams in F1 in the future but I doubt that'll happen
Seeing the logo of The manufacturer that most overall wins in Le Mans (Porsche) on a F1 car gives me goosebumps
But they didn’t made well 😞
Peugeot was screwed by FIA. When they phased out Group C, they lured manufacturers into developing 3.5L engines for the new WSC. Peugeot did, but others didn't, so the class flopped; soon F1 also adopted 3.5L engines, and Peugeot had one they couldn't use elsewhere, but was designed for endurance racing...
Hope with the 2022 regulation we can see Toyota and other manufacture back to F1
Well there is a global recession idk if teams can afford and take the risk to join F1 all tho all the teams will start from zero you never know
Except covid-19 left big mark on economics, and wasn't Toyota left F1 because financial problem left by 2008 economic crisis? I don't think Toyota will be back since they've been successful in other categories like Le Mans.
No chance if the power unit regulations remain as financially off putting as they are currently. Deleting the MGU-H would help an awful lot. I know this would be a technological step backwards, but I can't see another solution to the problem.
Matthew Lee It is true anyways F1 is already monopolized by Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari(that is falling from the boat if the maffia would pump a lot of money on them) thanks to stupid Ecclestone who sold F1 to Liberty idk if it is worth it to watch F1. There are other race events like Indy CAR, DTM, FE and Super Formula that do a great job with competing manufacturers that are fighting fare and square and almost as good as F1 pilots. You can’t begin from zero when the bigger teams got more materials, better engineers, better managers and really good technicians AND the money and for other teams it is like a gamble where they will end up starting from the grid even to hold the pace
I'd love this to happen to, but I honestly doubt it. Remember that those regulations were originally planned for 2021, and that preparing a new F1 entry takes a very long time (Honda spent two years preparing for their return, and that was only as an engine supplier). If any new manufacturers were coming into the sport because of the regulation changes, they would have said so months ago. If they were to only start now, they'd be leaving it too late IMO.
As Stewart the team punched well above their weight, as Jaguar, with a vastly improved budget, they failed, mainly due to Ford senior management appointing unsuitable team managers, and with the only real F1 boss, Niki Lauda, instead of letting Niki run the show, Richard Parry-Jones interfered too much, and Niki Lauda resigned or was sacked, Ford sold the team to Red Bull, and the rest is history.
There's an interesting video of Nicky Lauda driving the Jaguar in a failed attempt of proving to Eddie Irvine that it was a good car.
*Niki. But yeah the Jaguar in 2002 depsite scoring a 3rd place podium at Monza with Eddie Irvine it was a s***box as Niki would call it.
I miss these crazy teams :(
Just imagine if Lamborghini had stayed in the sport with Senna championing it. I for one hope both Lambo and Koenigsegg come to it someday.
1. Senna was going to Williams anyway for 1994 so whether McLaren adapted the Lamborghini engine (which reportedly would be renamed Chrysler for marketing purposes since Chrysler owned Lamborghini back then) would be irrelevant because Senna would always drive for Williams.
2. Lamborghini is owned by Volkswagen today. Unless Volkswagen decides that F1 is worth their time and money - and right now they seem very indifferent to it - you won't see Volkswagen or Audi in F1, never mind Lamborghini.
3. Koenigsegg is a tiny company which has nowhere near the funds to be able to enter F1 as an engine manufacturer. Considering they didn't even design their V8 and actually just modified a Ford Modular V8 I wouldn't expect them to know much about state-of-the-art F1 power units. So you keep hoping the rest of your life but you'll never see a major Swedish manufacturer like Volvo in F1, let alone a tiny company like Koenigsegg.
Just imagine if you actually had bothered to do some research first?
Cant imagine Koenigsegg in F1
Maybe Audi and Lamborghini
@@paulallen8109 You mean their first engines?
Koenigseggs designs and builds their own powertrain.
While it may sound like a Modular V8 from Ford, Twin Turbo with 1.1k hp is very different from a Crown Victoria ,_,
@@paulallen8109 The first fact, was a matter of context.
Senna wanted to be in the fastest car, that happened to the the Williams.
(He offered to drive for free to Williams, but Prost's contract said Ayrton couldn't be his teammate under any circumstances)
He wanted to win championships because he was getting older, and he knew his career would end soon.
1993 was the year he took the most out of his car, and if you search, Ron Dennis was looking for a Renault engine (the same from the Williams) he tested the Lambo engines, and Peugeot engines, Senna wanted the Lambo V12 at any cost, but Ron Dennis denied it at the end, so he moved to Williams and died in the third race.
I'm saying that, maybe, just maybe, if McLaren was fast enought he would've stayed.
And sorry for my grammar again.
Well done, I learned two things today. Subaru was in F1, and Toyota never won a race. I'd always assumed they won some random race at one time or another. But Toyota, arguably one of the greatest auto manufacturers ever to not win an F1 race after several years? Yup that's a fail.
Edd Straw and co are savages with the script lmao
Too bad they didn't research probably who won Le Mans when... amateur mistake.
The Netflix show about F1 made me even more obsessed with the sport. Thank you Netflix, waiting anxiously for the 3rd season!
The thing I found most interesting, besides Subaru try at the F1 game. Was how the styles and designs of cars changed over the years.
mad respect to ascari, couldn't just let the foot off the throttle..
Lancia & Subaru? Blimey I had no idea!! Great episode.
Request to the admin - pls increase the sound of ur recording. Give option to us listeners to reduce our device's volume cos even at full blast, I can hardly hear you
Its literally fine
Subaru is a weird one, they outsourced the engine to an italian company who made it way too complex and fiddley than it needed to be
There's more to Suburu. After pulling out of F1, the Colinni team put up its tooling and engines for auction. Then one of the men there managed to get in contact with a young Christian Von Koenigsegg who bid and won those toolings and the Suburu flat 12 engine. The engine fit into his prototype CC and seemed like a great option as it acted like a chassis member but wasn't viable as the engine was good for 750 bhp with turbos. In the end the engine was dropped for a Ford unit which would ultimately go on to power Koenigsegg cars in the future.
Seems like it went like this during scripting. "We can't have a top 7. It needs to be a top 10. So just add Alfa, Porsche, and yes, Lancia too eventhough it didn't fail, it just didn't have post war funding."
Lancia's a bit questionable, but the particular stints that Alfa and Porsche were listed here were fair. For Alfa, they were mid-pack at best in their 80s stint and their 1985 car was so bad they have to revert back to the 1984 car mid-season.
For Porsche, I'm sure people have high expectations when the Footwork 3512 project was first announced given the successes they have in sports car racing and the last time they were in F1 with the TAG Porsche engine, they brought home 3 WDCs and 2 WCCs. The results of the 3512 clearly proved to be anything but a success.
Wow! Subaru! I had no idea!
Aston martin and alfa romeo: "I ain't hear no bell!"
You forgot to mention a manufacturer whose on the horizon of greatness: YUGO!!!
yugo put a lot of eastern europeans on wheels..... thanks to fiat. whens GM gonna step up to the plate?
The movie Rush by Ron Howard is the one that re-ignited my love for Formula 1. It's that kind of movie that makes you want to be a F1 driver.
Amazing movie!
Well, the Lancia-Ferrari partnership would indeed explain the whole Lancia Stradale naming and the Stratos designer! Still, even I didn't know they ever took part in F1 and I will confess to something of a soft spot for Lancias for, what I feel, is a good reason!
2020- Ferrari
Don't be mean.
They are trying their best .
Let's give them a participation trophy
@@nujjigram I'm a Ferrari fans but, they've been kinda bad recently
@@DannyDom3 I was being sarcastic mate.
Totally get what you meant.
Just some light humour
@@nujjigram 👍
Not accurate, one bad stint doesn't equate to a lifetime of failure
It would be cool to see an opposite version of this. Like companies that came in and changed f1 the most or did best in f1
Just sort the manufacturers by championships then
Well that's a very interesting, very narrow, very corporate definition of "failed," for it to include the Lancia D50 that WON THE 1956 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP in the hands of Scuderia Ferrari, and to emphasize the later, unsuccessful efforts of the multiple championship-winning Alfa Romeo and Porsche. I'm disappointed in Edd, and will likely view all of his analysis through a more skeptical lens in the future.
Lancia undoubtedly failed, but not because the product was not up to the job. The D50 was a revolutionary car and could easily have won 2 or even 3 world championships. I also do not see how Alfa Romeo can be included given that it won the chanpionship a couple of times. All teams go through bad periods as Ferrari has often done and as McClarren is currently experiencing. I also tend to agree with you about Porsche, but lists like this are always difficult to compile.
Guys I love your content really, The lists are fantastic, one of the best channels for formula one content. But please, sort out the volume of your videos, I can’t watch without subtitles and I get ear r*ped when the ad pops up half way through
Aston Martin and Alfa Romeo be like: *I'm always come back*
De Cesaris came third in Monaco 1982 as well despite finishing at mirabeau
If Toyota hadn't pulled the plug, Kobayashi might have had a competitive seat in 2010...
Yeah, a shame since the 2010 car was supposedly going to be very competitive, according to the data. Moreover, a Japanese driver in a Japanese team winning races would’ve been great for marketing.
Nah brahh they can't they already loose millions i mean a lot of millions trying to compete in f1
@@Henstory-k1p They probably will return one day with the right car and with their hybrid technology from their WEC car
@@anonymous-vo2rd i will be happy if nissan will be a one team because nissan have more potential than Toyota nissan have been in f1 for some time they are the engine supplier of toro Rosso before and now their teaming up with Renault
@@Henstory-k1p They've been in F1 as Infiniti
Infiniti were Title sponsors of Red Bull not Toro Rosso
They're currently with Renault but Infiniti are leaving Europe at the end of this year which means Renault will need to look for a new primary sponsor
Also Nissan are busy with their FE team as Nissan E.Dams after Renault withdrew from Formula E
Excellent presentation
Although Ford was never successful with its own team it remains one of the most successful manufacturers in F1 thanks to its Cosworth DFV engine
BMW supplied engines to Williams and they were highly competitive during 2000’s.
10:35 the screen showes SCHEISSE in the Background for Porsche😂
the footwork engine ended up in the porsche carrera gt and the subaru/motori moderni was supposed to end up in the first running Koenigsegg Prototype, but was replaced in the end by a highly modified Ford Coyote engine, due to high weight and low reliability of the subaru boxer.
I never knew that Subaru was in F1. I am quite shocked.
Murray Walker called one of the teams the "tubby" Lamborghini. It's on a VHS tape released in 1991 of 1 hour edits of the grand prix weekends.
As a Dutchman, I am deeply offended, ;), that you’ve missed out on Spyker.
Spyker was more or less just there. Not great but not awful.
I like your little Easter egg at 10:36 nice
The Alfa Romeo team has nothing to do with Alfa Romeo, it’s jus advertising from FCA
Well, same for Mercedes
Jaguar REALLY got its start in 1950 when Clemente Biondetti entered his machine in the Italian Grand Prix. The machine in particular was a Ferrari 166 S with a Jaguar XK L6 engine. It was woefully off the pace and only lasted 17 laps before the engine expired.
I might be most disappointed with Lamborghini. They had a failing team and instead of taking the time and spending the money to make it better they gave up and quit
Lamborghini also should've convinced McLaren to get their engines for 1994 instead of Peugeot because while Lamborghini was unreliable Peugeot was not meant for Grand Prix racing.
I really hope AM can make it work, hopefully for a long time, but at least for this full season.
imagine toyota coming back with the same energy they put in their LMP1 cars
l I've been wondering for some time now; how hard would it be for the team that designed and build the TS050 LMP1 car to design and build a competitive F1 car, or in the least an F1 engine?
Still, had they not throw in the towel in '09 and held out untill 2014. We'd be talking about Toyota's dominance in F1 and not Mercedes
Toyota F1 Team was different to the LMP1 Team
well... they only had success without competition ;) they lost out to Audi and Porsche. so i'm not really sure they'd be much more successful now than back in their old f1 days. might fight Renault
They really weren't all that succesfull until all the other LMP1 manufacturers retired (i think they won the WEC championship one year before that but let's be honest, companies enter endurance to win Le Mans)
And getting beaten thoroughly by germans again as they were in LMP...
How about Talbot? They raced in the very first F1 race exactly seventy years ago this weekend, and then returned briefly in the 1980s. You could also have had De Tomaso.
You mean the rebadged Matra engine?
Or ats from 1963
No manufacture will go in f1 if they don't get rid of these corrupt owners. Really would love to see bmw and audi with what their engineers can do.
What about the Carl Haas Lola effort from 1985 & 1986 with Alan Jones, Patrick Tambay and Eddie Cheever as it's drivers?
hart and ford turbo engines?
I think BMW (with Sauber's partnership) and Lotus 2010-2011 are failures too
BMW Suaber had a race win with Kubica and Lotus with Kimi.
@@DM0407 I was talking about Lotus-Caterham (2010-2014), not Lotus-Renault where Kimi won 2 races in 2012-2013. Yep, BMW was quite good as a manufacturer and they often reached podiums and victories with Williams. But only one with Kubica in 2008 as a constructor.
@@fabiendmng2111 ralf schumacher was a crasher at a level like grosjean.... sure they would have need a good driver.... kubica was a good choice but there also would have been better choices (for example fernando alonso) :D if they would have been faster (in contacting alonso, not the car)
than renault they could have had 2 WC with alonso instead of renault...
@@Mikoto_Suoh 👍
Lotus was just a name.
They weren't involved in the cars except 2010
Still a bit sad that an updated boxer 12 cylinder by subaru never saw the light boxer 12 are just the best Sounding engines in my eyes
Not related but the Peugeot 908 HDi from 2010 is a beast!!
What a car really! V12 diesel
See a few teams here screwed up royalty jaguar is a head scratcher when they have made V12s for a long time when they entered Formular one and begged the question of why didn't use a factory V12 modified for the 90s but for the future Subaru, Toyota,And Peugeot come back they all have V6 hybrids in production and also be cool to see Yamaha bring a motorcycle engine based hybrid system that would be bat shit mental
Rich Energy...... oh wait they failed to even be a manufacturer
They even failed to be a proper sponsors 😆
I feel like Spyker should have been on this list, just one season in f1, and the stint in f1 having a big part in the bankruptcy of the manufacture
**Toyota F1 car after hitting the wall at 100mph** : "This but a stratch"
The 90s F1 cars were my personal favorite looking cars, the current gen cars are so fricken huge.
Kinda curious why so many fans want manufacturer teams when they're rarely more successful than "privateers"
And Formula E exists
Variety I’m guessing
Because we've been stuck with Mercedes Domination™ for 6 years now?
Privateer in F1 is mostly constrained by the Engine manufacturer so yeah.
Variety. People always wanna see their favourite manufacturers scrapping it out for success.
Not sure how that fact is so surprising..
That's kinda part of the reason why I watch so many other series and formula, (like FE) than F1. The importance of privateers can't be understated but often, it's the manufacturers that the fans are most amazed by.
True the chassis make the difference with RB, Williams and McLaren as an example but in the end F1 would fit in as a real Motorsport if there is more than 7 manufacturers on the grid and now bigger manufacturers are dominating F1 right now and are able to produce reliable engines for them selves and ‘cheaper less powerful engines’ to other teams so finally and hopefully the old days of F1 are coming back ‘we are liberated by those ugly hybrid engines’